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Primary Night Open Thread

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9:01 PM: McCain’s speech was inspiring.  Literally dozens of people standing in a room, booing things.  I can only hope he’s as good of a president as he is a talker…person…man.

9:02 PM: Obama’s our nominee!

9:04 PM: McCain should bring Wiis to campaign events.  I’ve heard old, angry people don’t hate those with every fiber of their being.  Yet.

I don’t think that Hillary will or should concede tonight.  I’d rather see her and Obama do an event in person, together, showing some cooperation and togetherness.

9:08 PM: A black man has a legitimate shot at being the next President of the United States of America.  All joking aside, this is a major moment in American history.

Joking not aside, I’m glad to see that we managed to nominate someone who wasn’t a comedian or Morgan Freeman.

9:13 PM:  I just got a fundraising e-mail from John McCain.  It’s like he took an Obama speech and wiped his ass with it, and then put in links to his donation page.  How Churchillian.

9:19 PM: They just showed Obama’s stadium full of people.  Jeffrey Toobin’s head is about to explode from the dischord between that and John McCain’s seance. 

9:23 PM: Just to be clear, if McCain’s speech was a disease, your face would be melting right now.

9:31 PM: The Clintons are walking out to speak now. 

I already know this will be called the best speech she’s ever given by the talking heads.  It may or may not be, but it doesn’t matter, because it always is.

9:40 PM: Clinton brings up a great point - 35 million people voted in the Democratic primaries and caucuses.  122 million voted in 2004.  30% of the general election turnout has already gone out and voted for a Democrat.

9:44 PM: I want to be more annoyed that Clinton’s speech is entirely about how great she and her campaign are, but…well, I actually am kind of annoyed.  There was even a website mention.  Why?  It’s just oddly off-kilter.  And there was just a “Denver” chant.  This is what people are talking about when they say that the onus falls on Clinton to help bring her supporters to Obama. 

9:52 PM: Uh, McCain campaign?  You’re still losing 28% of the party vote and you’re running uncontested

9:55 PM: Harold Ford, what the fuck are you doing?

10:03 PM: The more I think about Clinton’s speech, the more I have to wonder about if she’s not deeply hurting herself.  Obama is now the leader of the Democratic Party.  He’s the nominee.  She didn’t need to concede tonight, but the way she didn’t do it is making it sound like she’s just waiting until Obama implodes…going on the sixth month now.  You can write to Hillary here.

10:08 PM: I hereby call a moratorium on ever using “Beautiful Day” as a song for anything again.  Municipal spelling bees use “Beautiful Day”.

The Obamas just hit the rock.  The First Couple is pretty fucking sweet.

10:15 PM: Obama and Clinton are giving the same speech about Hillary Clinton.

Yeah, pretty much.

10:23 PM:  Wait a minute, Obama’s going after McCain without a creepy grin on his face or awkward pauses.  He’s making a case that his opponent is wrong without using stupidly delivered scare words and boogedy boogedy hands.

This guy can’t be president.  Shit.

10:33 PM: This speech is so good that Obama just guaranteed six months of Republicans declaring him a homosexual Muslim abortionist.  On his good days.

Seriously, just amazing.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 10:00 PM • (49) Comments

jesse taylor, you old son of a seacook!  long time no blog!  great to read you again!  glad to see your back! and glad to see your front, too!

now i’ll have to start reading pandagon again!

Comment #1: skippy  on  06/03  at  10:17 PM

Like I said over at my place, I know that speech making isn’t the most important thing that a President does, but McCain is really bad at it. He doesn’t have the Bushism problem, but somehow he still comes off as worse to me.

And can I say that I took it personally that he gave that speech in New Orleans, considering what he was up to when Katrina blew through.

Comment #2: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:19 PM

Man, Toobin just kicked McCain in the junk for that speech.

Comment #3: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:22 PM

McCain has the problem that his people have no idea what stagecraft is.  They toss him up anywhere so long as it’ll get coverage.

Comment #4: Jesse Taylor  on  06/03  at  10:22 PM

Skippy!

Comment #5: Jesse Taylor  on  06/03  at  10:26 PM

Here in NJ, Lautenberg is beating Andrews about 2 to 1 for the Dem Senate nomination with just over 40% reporting.  Nothing’s been called yet, but unless all the returns so far are from North Jersey, and Andrews really cleans up in South Jersey, it looks like Andrews, once again, will fail to get the promotion that he is so convinced he so richly deserves.

Which means someone who’s actually decent might run to replace Lautenberg in 6 years.  If we’re all still here, and elections are still taking place, and all.

Comment #6: Pesto  on  06/03  at  10:28 PM

Icky doesn’t have much to say today <a >Pic of press conference.</a>

Comment #7: Ms Kate  on  06/03  at  10:30 PM

I love how McCain was talking about the government’s failure to rescue drowning hospital patients during a national disaster ... to a room full of the people that armed themselves in order to prevent those same hospital patients and their families from coming to the ‘burbs.  I’m sure they loved it.

Also, I gave a friggin philosophy lecture today to a larger crowd of people than McCain is speaking to for his opening salvo in the GE.  Obama is going to rip this bastard’s heart out and eat it.

Comment #8: Loneoak  on  06/03  at  10:32 PM

Clinton’s taking the stage.

Comment #9: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:33 PM

Isn’t it amazing that Clinton, finishing second, is more exciting than McCain, and that she’s packing a much bigger house?

Comment #10: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:35 PM

She’s got more people in the shot with her than McCain had in the entire room.

Comment #11: Jesse Taylor  on  06/03  at  10:37 PM

... to a room full of the people that armed themselves in order to prevent those same hospital patients and their families from coming to the ‘burbs.

I would bet money that this is why he chose to stage this in Kenner, actually.  It’s the beginning of ramping up the racists.  These are potentially disgruntled moderate Republicans who could easily go for Obama if nobody takes the time to remind them how racist they are.

Comment #12: The Opoponax  on  06/03  at  10:37 PM

It’s not that shocking that her crowd is bigger, Incertus.  McCain clinched months ago.  Hillary’s supporters are still in the thick of the fight.  Also, other than not being blamed for the loss and scamming for their next gigs, her staff has nothing better to do than goose turnout and fill the hall.  McCain’s people have actual work to do.

Comment #13: Pesto  on  06/03  at  10:38 PM

Gracious and well done.

Comment #14: louise  on  06/03  at  10:39 PM

That’s happening in Florida too, Popopnax. I blogged today about a plan by the Sons of Confederate Veterans to fly a 30’ by 50’ COnfederate flag just outside Tampa. There’s going to be a lot of that in coming months.

Comment #15: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:39 PM

“It’s not that shocking that her crowd is bigger, Incertus.”

It’s hugely shocking.

He’s purposefully giving a national address against what he knows are going to be two hugely attended and hugely energetic events.  Part of the actual work McCain’s people have to do is putting events together competently to make him look good.

Comment #16: Jesse Taylor  on  06/03  at  10:40 PM

And apparently, I can’t spell even when looking at the name, The Opoponax.

Comment #17: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  10:40 PM

Opoponax, re:  “ramping up the racists”

It’s amazing how much racism has been in every presidential race of my lifetime (I’m almost 40), when every single race has pitted one (Christian) white guy against another (Christian) white guy.  “Silent majority”...Philadelphia, Mississippi…Willie Horton…and all the rest, all were about white guys.

All along, it’s just been euphemisms for, in LBJ’s words, “shouting n**ger n**ger n**ger!!!”  Well, the time for euphemism is about to end, and it won’t fade away quietly.  The next few months will build to a crescendo of American racism.  Hang tight, everyone.

Comment #18: Pesto  on  06/03  at  10:44 PM

Isn’t it amazing that Clinton, finishing second, is more exciting than McCain, and that she’s packing a much bigger house?

Assuming that you mean “amazing” as in “God DAMN that’s cool!” then I agree.

People got excited to vote Democrat this year.  People cared.  Sure, some of them cared the wrong way (I’m looking at YOU, Larry Johnson), but it wasn’t a big giant yawn the way the Republican primary was.  (You mean the guy who’s run three times finally got nominated?  Gee, that’s worth skipping “Lost” for.)  And for all of the bitching and moaning of the talking heads, I’m glad Hillary kept going until the last states had voted and let people feel that their vote actually counted this year instead of just ratifying the decision that was made months ago like it felt in 2004.

Comment #19: Mnemosyne  on  06/03  at  10:50 PM

Jesse, Hillary was the frontrunner for a lot of reasons, but one of the major ones is that the Clintons have been the leaders for over a decade and a half of the Party with the wind at its back this season.  What would it say about their operation if she couldn’t get huge turnout?  Many folks will see this as her goodbye to national politics (or their chance to stop her from saying goodbye as a national candidate).  Many others still seem to think she ought to be the nominee.  The night means much, much, much less for McCain supporters, and having never been President his operation doesn’t have the reach that the Clintons’ has.  She’s also speaking in NYC, which she represents in the Senate and is the biggest metropolitan area in the country.

Comment #20: Pesto  on  06/03  at  10:54 PM

“She’s also speaking in NYC, which she represents in the Senate and is the biggest metropolitan area in the country.”

McCain was free to speak anywhere, at any time - you organize events to maximize turnout and display the biggest show of support.  You don’t fill up the back rec room at the local Y. 

The point was the optics - and McCain failed, miserably.

Comment #21: Jesse Taylor  on  06/03  at  10:57 PM

I’m glad Hillary kept going until the last states had voted and let people feel that their vote actually counted this year instead of just ratifying the decision that was made months ago like it felt in 2004.

I agree, actually.  I just wish she had done it substantially differently.  There’s a good way to keep a primary going ... and then there’s all the bad ways.  I’m watching on TiVo, so I’m a little behind the game, and I am just dumbfounded that she is mostly praising herself instead of her supporters, Obama, and his supporters.  And she’s perpetuating that crazy-ass math that is manufactured to stoke controversy.

Comment #22: Loneoak  on  06/03  at  10:59 PM

Not to mention that even if McCain’s campaign couldn’t pull more people, there’s no reason they couldn’t have positioned them more effectively to make it look like there was more enrgy in the room than there was.

Comment #23: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:00 PM

I was starting to wonder if Hillary was going to adopt that hit song by Cake (Going the Distance) as her campaign anthem.

Comment #24: Ms Kate  on  06/03  at  11:04 PM

Jesse and Incertus, I’m not arguing that McCain or his people did a good job—I didn’t even watch his speech.  But I’m not amazed that Hillary had a better event with higher turnout than McCain did.  McCain is essentially a default candidate of a depressed Party in lousy shape that decided its nomination 3 months ago.

Comment #25: Pesto  on  06/03  at  11:05 PM

I hope someone YouTube’s Toobin’s commentary, because from the quotes I’ve seen he sounds like he can’t believe his fellow commentators don’t see what a moron McCain is.

Comment #26: Mnemosyne  on  06/03  at  11:08 PM

Well, Clinton may not be conceding, but Obama’s not playing ball. He’s claiming the nomination.

Comment #27: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:16 PM

And Harold Ford seems to be following the Joe Lieberman path to success. Let’s hope he does half as well.

Comment #28: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:17 PM

Like I’ve said, that Clinton family ain’t quittin’ nothin’ until someone locks them in a trunk and drives them out to the middle of nowhere.

Comment #29: idiosynchronic  on  06/03  at  11:18 PM

Nice—popping McCain right in the mouth.

Comment #30: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:24 PM

10:08 PM: I hereby call a moratorium on ever using “Beautiful Day” as a song for anything again.  Municipal spelling bees use “Beautiful Day”.

Why I missed Jesse, part 8,298,432.

Comment #31: Henry Holland  on  06/03  at  11:24 PM

I for one think, the primary isn’t over yet. There is going to be shenanigans related to Obama-Clinton race.  argh, this is going to be very complicated.

PS. I wonder how far will McCain play racism card.  He doesn’t come out as a guy who like to play that kind of game… But GOP is really desperate and the poll isn’t all that wide for GOP to stay competitive. (at least current poll)

Comment #32: squashed  on  06/03  at  11:27 PM

What McCain will attempt will be to let surrogates play the race card, he’ll condemn them, and the press will make him the hero for it.

Comment #33: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:31 PM

But, I <u>like</u> Beautiful Day, dammit.  So I Suck, but everyone knows I’m not an IMS in this mob of same.

I wanna post a link to a deeply flawed blog post from Huffington: The Briarpatch  It’s outdated since it was written about the Rules & Bylaws meeting this last weekend, but I think the overall thrust of piece is correct.

Comment #34: idiosynchronic  on  06/03  at  11:35 PM

I hereby call a moratorium on ever using “Beautiful Day” as a song for anything again.

It’s not that I don’t agree, but at the same time, the contrast between U2 from just a few years ago and the Late 80’s Tina Turner Hillary was playing is interesting.  If only the gender, racial, and generational issues that highlights could be extended to McCain’s event—I guess he probably would have played John Phillip Sousa, or Lawrence Welk or something.

Comment #35: The Opoponax  on  06/03  at  11:36 PM

He’s really fucking good.

Comment #36: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/03  at  11:39 PM

Poor McSame. He’ll never know what hit him.

Comment #37: Steve LaBonne  on  06/03  at  11:44 PM

Opoponax: Hell no. We’re talking some of the greatest hits from the Monsters of Megaphone Tour ‘29.

Comment #38: norbizness  on  06/03  at  11:51 PM

Jesse Taylor!

Wow, I hardly ever read Pandagon these days, but I was friggin addicted to this blog when you and Ezra were posting here.  I remember you guys liveblogging the ‘04 conventions.

Comment #39: Pen Brynisa  on  06/03  at  11:55 PM

lolz!

Comment #40: The Opoponax  on  06/04  at  12:00 AM

I wept at Obama’s speech.  Happiness, thank you.

Because now I know that now the 20th Century has finally passed and the 21st Century has dawned for America.  An African-American is the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.

I weep tears of gratitude that I have lived long enough to see this moment in history.

Comment #41: The Wanderer  on  06/04  at  12:10 AM

Charlie Gibson (ABC is the only channel I get which was carrying Obama’s speech) said something interesting just before Obama began to speak.  Just barely 50 years ago, the Supreme Court mandated that American schools be de-segregated.  Thinking about 47-year-old Obama being a product of Brown v. Board of Ed is incredibly moving.  That juxtaposition of facts also led to a really, really poignant thought—it was only a matter of time.

Comment #42: The Opoponax  on  06/04  at  12:21 AM

Charlie and I kept the kids up 2 hours past bedtime, so they could watch the entire speech with us and discuss it afterwards. When popping them onto the sofa with blankets, I told them the same words that my mom said when she made me sit down at age 4 to watch the first man walk on the moon July 21, 1969.

“This is a moment in history you will want to remember forever. You will want to remember later where you were when this occurred.”

Thanks, Mom.

Comment #43: louise  on  06/04  at  07:33 AM

oh god, I am SO GLAD someone else caught them hitting the rock!  I think that will go down in my personal history as the moment that endeared the Obamas to me forever.

Comment #44: Mary  on  06/04  at  09:14 AM

I cried when I saw that exchange, Mary. That sort of very personal, loving and “we’re a team; good luck and go get ‘em!” supportive motion between husband and wife… we’ve done that, me and the Charlie.

I can read lips fairly well, having so many deaf relatives… she was back to the camera, but after the speech, when they were embracing and the crowd was going wild, she said something and he answered, “Yes, we can win this.”

That choked me up too.

Comment #45: louise  on  06/04  at  10:52 AM

Oh yes, Jesse is back.  I can start paying attention to poltics again.  Nobody does it better than you, sir.

Comment #46: twig  on  06/04  at  11:06 AM

What Hillary and her supporters don’t understand: It can only be “your turn” if you have bought in to the very system designed to prevent it from EVER being your turn!  Once the world is ready for it to be “your turn”, things have changed to the point that others may now join the quest and become successful.

Especially if they aren’t promising the old paradigm dressed up in a skirt.

Comment #47: Ms Kate  on  06/04  at  12:32 PM

Jesse, welcome back young man.  You got me started in reading political blogs, I saw you on C-Span one morning.  I am one of those older white women, 63, who adores Barack Obama!  I’ve always been a little weird! smile

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