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Q of the day - what’s off limits?

“Children are off limits.”

I agree that the Obama campaign needs to steer away from any discussion of a minor child of a candidate. That’s not, however, the same as discussing the hypocrisy of a ticket that promotes abstinence-only education and favors SCOTUS justices that would revisit a woman’s right to reproductive freedom. That’s worthy of discussion, the obvious nature of Sarah Palin’s daughter becoming pregnant as a result of pre-marital sex is not a judgment on her personal behavior, but a reflection on what policies a McCain/Palin administration would advocate for—and how real life can get into the way of black-and-white thinking on such matters.

It always seems different when these issues happen to social conservatives. They suddenly find compassion when it’s one of their own. I’m glad they have it for someone.

That said, it’s getting hard for the Palins to claim a complete zone of privacy if the Alaska governor’s daughter and shotgun-wedding-in-his-future boyfriend are going to St. Paul to appear during the convention in a display of 21st century “Christian” pre-marital sex family values.

Levi Johnston, the boyfriend of the pregnant 17-year-old Bristol Palin, plans to join the family at the Republican Party’s nomination here of mom and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for vice president.

...The Palin family already has captured the attention of this hall, after Sarah Palin and husband Todd announced Monday that their daughter planned to have the baby and marry the father. They also asked the media to respect the young couple’s privacy.

Good luck with that this week, as the small-town hockey player makes his national TV debut. It is traditional for the running mate’s family to join him or her on stage at the close of the vice presidential nomination acceptance speech.

However, the focus should not be on the personal decision of Palin’s daughter, it should be on the policy goals of McCain/Palin, a proudly anti-choice, and anti-sex ed, creationist ticket. Decisions that flow from this ticket’s election would affect the personal decisions of all women in Miss Palin’s situation.

Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA), was quite blunt about the Palin hypocrisy:

Republicans stressed Palin’s conservative family values in announcing her selection as John McCain’s running mate on Friday. Frank says the recent disclosure about her daughter blunts conservative claims that liberalism harms family life.

“Apparently she’s a great favorite with the conservative social movement,” Frank said. “They have said that it’s liberalism and liberals who have undermined families—same-sex marriage has been a problem, they don’t want gay people to adopt ... This helps undercut those arguments.”

And, after all, Gov. Palin slashed funding for teen mothers.

I have no desire to discuss Miss Palin’s pregnancy; I just want to know if the presumptive veep simply has less compassion for other women who choose to make different decisions than her daughter, and thus this is what informs her anti-choice, anti-sex information position.

So - what should or shouldn’t be on the table—and what is the real framing that should take place?

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 03:11 PM • (103) Comments

I have to point out that when limits are being set, it’s understood by liberals and conservatives alike that only liberals have to follow the limits.  Because we all know that conservatives are sleazy motherfuckers.  But liberals have to obey the better angels.  So when we say, “Children are off-limits,” we mean, “Liberal opinion-makers cannot attack children.”  Limbaugh and the assholes at Townhall are free to say what they want, standards of decency be damned.

Comment #1: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/03  at  03:42 PM

Here’s what’s off limits for me—any discussion of Bristol Palin personally or her relationship with the father of her child. But it’s completely fair to note that while Bristol Palin had the legal right to make the choice to keep her child, between 1997 and 2007, minors in her position didn’t have that option, and to note that when the Alaska Supreme Court overturned the parental consent law, Sarah Palin was vocal in her disappointment, thus showing that she doesn’t believe her daughter had the right to make any choice as regards the pregnancy.

Comment #2: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  09/03  at  03:43 PM

I also think it’s fair to ask why the campaign emphasized Bristol Palin’s choice.  There’s only one way to read that, knowing Palin’s beliefs—-that they believe that their family is above the laws they’d have everyone else live by.

Comment #3: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/03  at  03:52 PM

It’s the McGigolo campaign that’s been all Bristol all the time, complete with flying the baby daddy to Minneapolis to be blessed by McGigolo prior to parading him at the convention, accompanied by full-time whining about completely mythical press insults. Sorry Bristol- that’s totally not your fault, but it unavoidably puts you right in the middle of the field of play.

What a cynical, heartless bitch Palin must be, to do that to her own vulnerable kid. (Let alone the shotgun wedding to trailer trash.)

Not even Nixon was as retch- inducing as these pitiful Repuke excuses for human beings.

Comment #4: Steve LaBonne  on  09/03  at  04:02 PM

I don’t think it’s going to matter what the Dems say - they’ll still be branded as “attacking” Palin’s daughter the second anything regarding ...

sex ed
abstinence
birth control
EC
abortion
adoption
single parenthood
funding for such parenthood
pre/post-natal care
Alaska
bears

... comes up in public debate, regardless of context.  Hell, Obama’s being branded a sexist for questioning Palin’s “qualifications”.  That, my friends, is chutzpah.

Comment #5: Joshua  on  09/03  at  04:04 PM

We’re glad the Palin family had the freedom to make the right decisions for themselves, and the resources to support those decisions. We support the rights of all families to choose, for themselves, when and if to raise children. Democrats don’t believe the government has any right to interfere with that decision. We just wish that Mr. McCain and Ms. Palin supported the freedom of all families to make those decisions as well.

Comment #6: emjaybee  on  09/03  at  04:07 PM

If you pay attention to what’s going on, though, you start to notice that they’ve been playing that game for just a few years too many- both press and public are starting to treat it as the boy who cried wolf.

Comment #7: Steve LaBonne  on  09/03  at  04:08 PM

Remember when America’s favorite hillbilly heroin addict and erectile dysfunction sufferer said THIS:

“On his TV show, early in the Clinton administration, Limbaugh put up a picture of Socks, the White House cat, and asked, “Did you know there’s a White House dog?” Then he put up a picture of Chelsea Clinton, who was 13 years old at the time and as far as I know had never done any harm to anyone.”

Comment #8: Beast  on  09/03  at  04:10 PM

I don’t think there are any hard and fast rules about what’s off-limits, but if you use some of your kids to score political points (her eldest and youngest), you are not allowed to request “privacy” re: others (Bristol).
I am beginning to see that the pick of Palin was orchestrated to shield the GOP from Dem policy criticism.  Throw a girl out front and cynically cry “sexism!” whenever her flaws or the flaws of your policy positions are critiqued.

Comment #9: SarahMC  on  09/03  at  04:10 PM

I’m getting that same impression, Steve. The cognitive dissonance is becoming too great, and many people are well aware that news of, say, Obama’s hypothetical pregnant 17-year-old daughter would not be treated with kid gloves. And the reason why? Because shut up, that’s why.

Comment #10: annejumps  on  09/03  at  04:11 PM

I am beginning to see that the pick of Palin was orchestrated to shield the GOP from Dem policy criticism.  Throw a girl out front and cynically cry “sexism!” whenever her flaws or the flaws of your policy positions are critiqued.

It’s already nakedly obvious that that’s the plan in several clumsily done pundit appearances where the ‘defense’ for everything is ‘sexism’ (rich coming from these folks) and a few days ago I wondered if they’d have her cry in the VP debates.

It only goes so far. When your policies advocate intrusion into personal lives in matters not truly related to government spheres but instead to moralizing, you do not get to claim yourself as an exception, at least not without looking like an asshole.

Comment #11: annejumps  on  09/03  at  04:13 PM

Well of course WE think they look like assholes, annejumps.  I saw Giuliani crying sexism on the Today Show this morning; it infuriating.  But there are millions of people in this country who are all too willing to give the GOP a pass time and time again.

Comment #12: SarahMC  on  09/03  at  04:16 PM

If there was justice in this world, then everyone who angrily insisted that this is no scandal, it’s no big deal, it’s a personal matter, would have to remember those words when speaking about teen-aged and/or unwed motherhood in general. Alas, there is no justice in the world.

That’s pretty much the only thing that I’d put on the table, though… the actions of other people. And I wouldn’t do it as an attack, but more as a “well, it’s good that you finally came to your senses, better late than never.”

Comment #13: LongHairedWeirdo  on  09/03  at  04:17 PM

Oh sure, there are plenty of idiots. It’s just wearing thin, is all. And I’m not sure if they can keep crying wolf for two months.

Comment #14: annejumps  on  09/03  at  04:17 PM

It’s fascinating that the entire McCain strategy is to shut down conversation and deflect any kind of examination of policy or leadership issues.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/03  at  04:26 PM

Amanda, the campaign manager actually said that the election is not about issues.

Comment #16: annejumps  on  09/03  at  04:30 PM

Just to bring your attention to the latest talking point I’m hearing among pro-choice Republicans: 

They’re claiming we don’t know what Sarah Palin’s family’s “private” stance on her daughter’s sexual activity is; Bristol Palin *could* have been counseled in how to use contraception by her parents, or that abortion is an acceptable choice.  That Bristol chose to carry the pregnancy and marry the father is her choice, and we shouldn’t judge Sarah Palin by the actions of her daughter.  In other words, Sarah Palin may not be responsible for the messages her daughter has received about sex, nor is she responsible for her daughter’s behavior.

I think the pro-choice Republican defense is extremely naive.  I tend to take people at their word, that if they profess anti-choice sentiments in the public sphere, then that’s likely what they indoctrinate their children with at home.  Be that as it may, people are using the “we don’t know what happened behind closed doors” argument to defend Palin and her belief system from the public relations nightmare of having a pregnant, unwed teenage daughter, and to try to shame Democrats and the public generally so they won’t talk about it.

Comment #17: deep6  on  09/03  at  04:32 PM

Nice, anne.  Just wow.

On the question of what would happen is there was a pregnant Obama daughter (assuming they were old enough), I like Wolcott’s answer:

Mona Charen, Ann Coulter, and Michelle Malkin would sprout bat wings and fangs and start divebombing, Peggy Noonan would issue a pained sigh that would ruffle nun’s robes from here to Hoboken, Laura Ingraham and Bill Bennett would engage in a finger-wagging contest to condemn our loose licentious liberal culture, and Jennifer Rubin at Commentary’s Contentions would crash into the wall doing cartwheels.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/03  at  04:33 PM

We don’t want to talk about it! It’s THEIR campaign that’s been talking about it nonstop.

For us there are many far better things to bash this joke of a candidate with.

Comment #19: Steve LaBonne  on  09/03  at  04:33 PM

Deep6, to every Republican who suggests that Bristol met with a decent, liberal, understanding family at home, I point out that this proves the Palins are mighty hypocrites with a strong streak of elitism.  Oh, their family will be educated and have choices, it’s your family that can suck a bag of cocks.  How is that not elitist?

Comment #20: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/03  at  04:34 PM

Be that as it may, people are using the “we don’t know what happened behind closed doors” argument to defend Palin

Ah yes, the closed doors they don’t want anyone else to have.

Comment #21: annejumps  on  09/03  at  04:35 PM

They’re claiming we don’t know what Sarah Palin’s family’s “private” stance on her daughter’s sexual activity is; Bristol Palin *could* have been counseled in how to use contraception by her parents, or that abortion is an acceptable choice.  That Bristol chose to carry the pregnancy and marry the father is her choice, and we shouldn’t judge Sarah Palin by the actions of her daughter.  In other words, Sarah Palin may not be responsible for the messages her daughter has received about sex, nor is she responsible for her daughter’s behavior.

So, they’re implying that Sarah’s a hypocrite when it comes to her own flesh and blood?  That’s a great move on their part.  Aren’t they the ones who also claim you have to be involved in every aspect of your child’s life?

Bottom line:  getting pregnant involves at least a short stint at NOT BEING ABSTINENT, and Bristol’s pregnancy further underscores that teenagers will have sex regardless of upbringing or education.

Comment #22: Joshua  on  09/03  at  04:40 PM

The people who are crying for poor Bristol are the same motherfuckers who couldn’t stop tripping over themselves to say a lot of mean nasty shit about Chelsea Clinton, especially McStain and his “cute” little “joke” about Janet Reno being her father.  Fuck the republican concern trolls and the man-whores they rode in on.

Comment #23: The Crapture  on  09/03  at  04:40 PM

Sarah Palin feels entitled to impose her Xtianist beliefs on others. Sarah Palin allegedly sees executive power as a way to strong-arm government employees who don’t support her views. So you won’t be surprised to learn that she’s combined these traits in the past:

[Former Wasilla mayor] Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” The librarian, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire her for not giving “full support” to the mayor.


Time Magazine via boingboing

Comment #24: Gracchus  on  09/03  at  04:45 PM

i feel even worse for bristol now, knoing that the future baby’s father is named levi. the only boys i’ve known named levi came from incredibly conservative christian families, it being a biblical name and all. if my assumption is correct, neither of these kids probably ever had any education at all on how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancy.

i really dont see how it isnt fair game to point out that this is the fate palin wants for all our children.

Comment #25: jessilikewhoa  on  09/03  at  04:45 PM

“Bottom line:  getting pregnant involves at least a short stint at NOT BEING ABSTINENT, and Bristol’s pregnancy further underscores that teenagers will have sex regardless of upbringing or education.”

...and what is your interpretation of this (very true) reality, Joshua?...

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  04:49 PM

Yeah, I’ve been having a tough time with this.  I’ve seen many Rep flacks citing Palin’s personal bio, her family, and the fact that she’s a working mom as selling points, yet apparently we’re not allowed to look too closely at or be critical of her family or anything she’s done as a mother.

In comparison, they’ve also cited her “reformer” credentials as selling points, and just about everyone agrees that it’s right for the media and the Dems to look critically at those claims and point out her deficiencies on that point.  Yet, somehow the family thing is different. 
But to be real, even if the media, the Obama campaign and every liberal blog in the country remained completely silent about Bristol Palin’s pregnancy, it was going to get a lot of tabloid coverage.  The Palins had to know that before she accepted the VP nomination. 

Politicians who cite their Beautiful Families as selling points and use their children as political props make it awfully difficult for the rest of us to respect their children’s privacy.  For the record, I was rather uncomfortable with the appearance of the Obama girls after Mrs. Obama’s speech last week.  I know that they’d be spending a lot more time with their parents if they stay on the campaign trail, but I hope they keep them more under wraps for the rest of the campaign.

Comment #27: Isabella  on  09/03  at  04:50 PM

I like Wolcott’s answer:

He left out Dowd. How could he leave her out?

Comment #28: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  09/03  at  04:50 PM

...what is the real framing that should take place?

[waves hand vigurously] “Oh, oh, a framing question! Pick me, pick me to answer this one!”

The mere mention of the issue—the repro choice of Gov. Palin’s teenage, single daughter is a private, family affair and off limits to public discussion or debate—should be met with forceful, indignant accusations of trying to ignore/dismiss Gov. Palin’s policies and politics just because she’s a woman. [Sprinkle mentions of sexism and mysoginy at taste just for good measure, not to mention maximum propaganda effect.]

According to Gov. Palin, reproductive health decisions are not a private matter. Gov. Palin says it’s the Government, not the woman and her family, who gets to decide what the outcome of a pregnancy is. That means, to take Gov. Palin and her politics seriously is to demand we are shown a copy of the State Certificate allowing Miss Palin to carry the pregnancy to term.

We’d also need to see something from SCOTUS regarding the allowed delivery protocol; will NSVD be banned and only up&down;C/S permitted?

\snark

I’ve had to watch cable news for the past couple of days (no computer) and not one single person—from presidential candidates, to reporters, to pundits—made the point about “it’s a private matter and decision” when it comes to Gov. Palin’s daughter, but “it’s the politicians’/judges’/strangers’  decision”, when it comes to, you know, the other ~70 million women of reproductive age.

Everybody’s just so polite and dainty. Miss Palin’s pregnancy is off-limits; it’s an improper topic of conversation, etc., etc., etc.

Meanwhile, nobody bats an eyelash when the politicians propose laws, and the topic of discussion is, about, for example, “How close to death should we let a female patient get before we may permit her to receive proper medical care?”, or “What degree of forced vaginal probing shall we submit women to before allowing them access to medical care, and what SCOTUS-decreed operative protocol shall they be subjected to, since it’s a given that [certain] female patients are not capable of informed consent?”.

There’s just nothing prim and proper about being submissive and on the defensive.

Comment #29: ema  on  09/03  at  04:53 PM

And, after all, Gov. Palin slashed funding for teen mothers.

No, she didn’t. Covenant House’s government appropriations increased from $1,194,788 in 2006 (http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&npoId=332976) to $3,900,000 in 2007.

The WaPo “journalist” is an ignoramus or a liar.

Comment #30: CTD  on  09/03  at  04:55 PM

Palin didn’t really have a choice, realistically on either her disabled child or Bristol Palin’s teenage pregnancy.

What were they going to do? Have an abortion? They’d be laughed off the political stage.

Comment #31: Ben D.  on  09/03  at  05:02 PM

Aren’t they the ones who also claim you have to be involved in every aspect of your child’s life?

Oh, their family will be educated and have choices, it’s your family that can suck a bag of cocks.

It seems to be a fear-based response emanating from pro-choice Republican women.  They hear “bad parent” criticisms levelled at Palin and see themselves as possibly being in the same situation of having a teenage daughter’s sexual behavior reflect on them and their parenting skills.  It’s totally reflexive:  If my daughter gets pregnant it’s not my fault!  This somehow translates into Leave Sarah Palin alone!

Comment #32: deep6  on  09/03  at  05:03 PM

Actually, on closer inspection, the WaPo stooge is even LESS right. The cited appropriation was for an EXPANSION of covenant house, not part of it’s ordinary grant allocations. They wanted $10 million, the legislature knocked it down to $5 million, and Palin approved $3.9 million.

So now giving an organization $3.9 million of new government money is a “cut.”

Comment #33: CTD  on  09/03  at  05:07 PM

No, there should be nothing off limits

The McCain campaign has put this front and center and the sycophants in the press are following the lead

On “Morning Joe” this morning they were babbling that her story would resonate with “regular Americans” even saying that this should be a Lifetime move of the week, “A moose huntin’ mama from Alaska, what more could you want”

This from the same crew of Versailles courtiers that told us that putting Swiss cheese on a sandwich, or having OJ at breakfast, or assuming that farmers would know that there was more then one kind of lettuce were horrible gaffs that showed how out of touch with the heartland.

Sorry, but to “regular Americans” meat comes from a cow.  Eating exotic animal meat on a regular basis is just plain weird to most people

Republicans want to ignore the fact that she is corrupt, inexperienced, power-mad and supports a nutty agenda and say “Look at her life story”.

I say OK.  Her life story makes her look like a nutty freak and the whole shotgun wedding thing makes her look creepy

Lets run with it.  Don’t forget that the scales finally began to fall from most of the independents eyes during the Terry Schivo debacle.

Comment #34: Jeff452  on  09/03  at  05:09 PM

It’s the McGigolo campaign that’s been all Bristol all the time, complete with flying the baby daddy to Minneapolis to be blessed by McGigolo prior to parading him at the convention, accompanied by full-time whining about completely mythical press insults.

As compared to the campaign four years ago when they actively made sure the lesbian daughter of the sitting vice president didn’t go anywhere near the stage, even when the families were gathering there.

Comment #35: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  09/03  at  05:12 PM

...and what is your interpretation of this (very true) reality, Joshua?…

We desperately need to educate kids early, often, and openly.  Give them ALL the facts, open access to doctors for private health consultations, and counselors for advice on dealing with peer pressure and healthy relationship building.  Sexuality should become as matter-of-fact as any other topic.

Accidents will always happen, but with the proper knowledge and available resources, they can be minimized.  “Just say no” obviously doesn’t do the trick.  Right now we have kids out there who think that if you screw on a full moon and then douche with Mountain Dew afterward, there’s no way you can get pregnant.

Comment #36: Joshua  on  09/03  at  05:14 PM

...not one single person—from presidential candidates, to reporters, to pundits—made the point about “it’s a private matter and decision” when it comes to Gov. Palin’s daughter, but “it’s the politicians’/judges’/strangers’ decision”, when it comes to, you know, the other ~70 million women of reproductive age.

Hurrah, Ema.  You stated very eloquently exactly what has been rattling around my mind.  Bristol Palin’s pregancy is a “private” matter, yet her mother chose to make it a very public matter by announcing it to the world.  She insists that her daughter and her decision is personal and asks her privacy to be respected, yet supports governmental intrusion in the lives of every other American woman. 

It’s all yet another example of what is good for the Republican goose is not good for the Democratic gander.  Republicans decry Obama’s lack of experience, yet didn’t say utter a protest when their even less experienced Texas cowboy took office.  Much was made of John Kerry’s rich wife, yet little has been made of Cindy McCain and her millions.  If it were Hillary Clinton with the pregnant teenage daughter, Chelsea would have been massacred as a tangible representation of a Democratic conspiracy to destroy families and its slide into the depths of depraved immorality.  I think the Obama camp took the appropriate high-road in refusing to involve Palin’s children, but I hope they won’t be cowed and let her off the hook about reproductive issues, either.   

It’s fascinating that the entire McCain strategy is to shut down conversation and deflect any kind of examination of policy or leadership issues.

Have you read McCain’s “interview” with Time magazine on newsstands this week?  I put interview in quotes because he was so abrasive and even refused to answer several questions that it can hardly be called an interview.  And this in an edition entirely devoted to his campaign and Republicans in general.

Comment #37: Rachel  on  09/03  at  05:16 PM

Right now we have kids out there who think that if you screw on a full moon and then douche with Mountain Dew afterward, there’s no way you can get pregnant.

Welcome to the entire paranormal romance genre.

Comment #38: deep6  on  09/03  at  05:18 PM

“Accidents will always happen, but with the proper knowledge and available resources, they can be minimized.”

Joshua, I’m really frightened.  I agree with everything you said in that comment.  Is the Rapture starting any minute now?...

Comment #39: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  05:20 PM

No, she didn’t. Covenant House’s government appropriations increased from $1,194,788 in 2006 (http://www.guidestar.org/pqShowGsReport.do?partner=justgive&npoId=332976) to $3,900,000 in 2007
The WaPo “journalist” is an ignoramus or a liar.

Most people don’t follow politics, and arguing about who voted what way on funding program x is way to easy for republicans to spin (see above) and the press reports “shape of the earth, views differ”

But people see that McCain picked a woman for VP who after her water broke gave a speech, then got on an airplane for an 8 hour flight
And they scratch their heads, go “huh?” and figure that she shouldn’t be in charge of a lemonade stand.

Comment #40: Jeff452  on  09/03  at  05:25 PM

How is it that when the day the Edwards story broke with the MSM Amanda Marcotte ranted that it was “none of our business” , but when the Bristol Palin story broke Monday, she’s all over it? These continual leftist double standards make me sick.

Comment #41: A Steinburg  on  09/03  at  05:25 PM

Welcome to the entire paranormal romance genre.

Oh, tell me there was a scene like that in Twilight ...

Joshua, I’m really frightened.  I agree with everything you said in that comment.  Is the Rapture starting any minute now?

I might not have been paying too much attention, but I don’t think we’ve been involved in any big disagreements in the past, have we?

Comment #42: Joshua  on  09/03  at  05:26 PM

Thinking about it more, don’t the promise rings, abstinence pledges and purity balls require that sexual behavior be vetted publicly?  And the whole prescription counter pulpit bullshit is meant to slut-shame, right?

Comment #43: deep6  on  09/03  at  05:26 PM

So now giving an organization $3.9 million of new government money is a “cut.”

Since said organization saw an increase of 58% in people seeking services within 2 years, they asked for an increase in funding.  Clearly Sarah Palin thinks that the work Covenant House does with mentally ill, drug-addicted, and/or pregnant teenagers isn’t very important even though increasing numbers of Alaskan teenagers are seeking their services.

If, as Palin claims, preventing abortion is so vital to our country and our communities that it must be legally banned in every circumstance except the life of the mother, why is she balking at a mere $1 million that would allow unwed mothers to keep their babies and not have abortions?  Is it that abortion is not as important to her as she claims?  Is abortion only important to her in the abstract, but when it comes to actually doing something to prevent it, Palin can’t be bothered?So now giving an organization $3.9 million of new government money is a “cut.”

Comment #44: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  05:27 PM

How is it that when the day the Edwards story broke with the MSM Amanda Marcotte ranted that it was “none of our business” , but when the Bristol Palin story broke Monday, she’s all over it?

Because John Edwards is not trying to pass laws to make adultery a criminal offense.  If he were, his own adultery would be a matter of public interest.

If Sarah Palin didn’t dedicate her time to trying to prevent other women from making the “choice” she tells us her daughter freely made, it would be none of our business.  But since Palin thinks that my uterus is public business, why the shock when the rest of us conclude that her daughter’s uterus is public business, too?

These continual leftist double standards make me sick.

So the fact that the Right thinks that my uterus is public property that should be regulated by the government but Bristol Palin’s uterus is her private property that she gets to make decisions about by herself is not a double standard?  Pray tell, what is it, then?

Comment #45: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  05:36 PM

“Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because Janet Reno is her father.”
- The wit and wisdom of John McCain

Limits?

We don’t need no steenkin’ limits.

Seems this whole affair started one day when Levi was visiting the Palin household and Sarah asked him to “please take out the trash”. After that Bristol’s pregnancy was almost assured, what with her having been taught that safe sex meant a padded headboard. She’s only going to have this one child however. Seems someone told her that over 50% of newborns in the world are Chinese. But we should, indeed, lay off these kids. These should be the happiest years of their lives. You know: 4th grade.

Comment #46: Sarcastro  on  09/03  at  05:37 PM

Let’s see, Palin is so pro life that she made policy such that abortion was just about the ONLY option for many teenage mothers who might have otherwise chosen to bear and raise children.

Okay.

While I believe that Bristol did have a choice in the sense that she could have hid her pregnancy and gone to Anchorage to terminate it without parental notification, I wonder how many of these teen parents had a choice to keep their child with full parental support given this removal of funding?

Comment #47: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:38 PM

To the idiot stating that liberals are the ones who have to obey limits: ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID? Who’s asshole have you had you head stuck in for the last week or ten? Do you see no irony that your fucking joke of a president, Obama, is the son of a teen mother, fathered by a polygamist who then did a runner on them, strongly associated to a convicted terrorist, with further business associations to convicted criminals and that racist hate-spewing anti-American Rev Wright, and yet Obama gets treated with kid gloves by the media and liberal assholes like you like he’s some fucked up messiah, while a 17 year old girl who is NOT running for any office whatsoever gets dragged through the pages and screens of every piece of biased liberal garbage available, and you DARE say liberals are the ones with limits??? Get some sense into that stupid useless melon you call a head, you fucking moron. Or hey, join your peace-loving anti-war friends at the RNC - you know, the ones dressed in black, smashing windows of businesses that have nothing to do with the RNC, the ones jumping on police cars, the ones ganging up on and kicking solitary Republicans who happen to be in the area minding their own business. Yeah, you’re a real class act you cunt.

Comment #48: Sick of this BULLSHIT  on  09/03  at  05:39 PM

So now giving an organization $3.9 million of new government money is a “cut.”

When my car stops running my mechanic keeps telling me its out of gas.
He tells that I’m putting less gas in my car then last year
That is a lie
Last year, I was putting $30 dollars worth of gas in my car a week. This year I’m putting in $33 a week, a 10% increase!!!

Just because gas has gone up more then 10% and I drive more miles then last year shouldn’t make me run out of gas

I’m I right fellow wing-nuts?

Comment #49: Jeff452  on  09/03  at  05:42 PM

You forgot to mention that he’s a Muslim and he wants to KILL BABIES.

Jeez, come on.  We expect better by now.

Comment #50: Joshua  on  09/03  at  05:44 PM

You know, troll pants deary, if you are truly Sick of this Bullshit, then maybe you should stop talking to yourself in front of a mirror. 

Yes - you are the source.  Now get back under your bridge before the mating maverick unicorns trample you!

Comment #51: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:45 PM

Because John Edwards is not trying to pass laws to make adultery a criminal offense.
Nor is the daughter of the prospective VP of the USA. Idiot.
But why would that make any sense to a baby-killer?

Comment #52: A Steinburg  on  09/03  at  05:45 PM

Biden on government funding for abortion:

“I might also add that I find it difficult to understand how
those who refuse to limit the right of abortion in this country
can at the same time support the expansion of the government’s
financial involvement in providing for abortions. That is why I
have been a consistent supporter of the Hyde Amendment, which
prohibits the use of Medicaid funds to finance abortions. I
believe that it is not the government’s business to be promoting
abortion in any way. We must emphasize individual responsibility
for the precious gift of human life.
Again, thank you very much for taking the time to share your
views with me. I hope you will continue to do So in the future.
I think it’s very important that each of us knows where the other
stands.”

Letter from Biden to John J. Jakubczyk (June 16, 1983)

The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act was enacted in 2003, with Senator Biden’s support, and was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court in April, 2007.  Obama criticized the US Supreme Court ruling.

Biden voted for BAIPA, Obama voted against similar legislation in Ill.

Comment #53: Jason  on  09/03  at  05:47 PM

Oooh, a troll called somebody a baby killer!

No, honey, I’m an adult killer, although I did do some damage to bullies as a juvenile.

BTW, since you have been doing so many drugs A Steinburg, and you haven’t been paying attention, do notice that Palin preaches fundy values of no sex before marriage.  Unless Palin is due to deliver on 25 Dec amid a new star and shepards, etc., one might think she had sex or something?

Comment #54: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:48 PM

FYI, One of Biden’s siblings is currently under criminal investigation. What, you hadn’t heard? I wonder why.

Comment #55: Sick of this BULLSHIT  on  09/03  at  05:49 PM

FYI, Palin is currently under investigation and may be indicted for thinking she was queen of Alaska when she was but a mere governor, beholden to the laws of the State.

Oh, but IOKIYABA!

Comment #56: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:51 PM

Do you see no irony that your fucking joke of a president, Obama, is the son of a teen mother, fathered by a polygamist who then did a runner on them, strongly associated to a convicted terrorist, with further business associations to convicted criminals and that racist hate-spewing anti-American Rev Wright, and yet Obama gets treated with kid gloves by the media and liberal assholes like you like he’s some fucked up messiah, while a 17 year old girl who is NOT running for any office whatsoever gets dragged through the pages and screens of every piece of biased liberal garbage available, and you DARE say liberals are the ones with limits???

Who was it that sent out a press release announcing her pregnancy to the world?

Who was it that put her boyfriend on a plane so they can parade him in front of the entire world at tonight’s convention?

Hint:  it wasn’t the Democrats.  If you want the exploitation of Bristol Palin to stop, you should probably talk to the people who put out that press release and paraded her boyfriend in front of the cameras.

Republicans always exploit personal family matters for their own gain.  Or have you already forgotten the Terri Schiavo fiasco, which did nothing but increase the pain of her other relatives so her parents could parade their crazy dysfunction in front of the whole country with the help of Republicans all the way up to the President himself?  You reap what you sow, and by deciding that private medical decisions should be questioned and ripped apart by Republican politicians, you left everyone open to the same treatment.

So excuse me if I’m not crying in sympathy for the poor, poor Republicans who just found out that exploiting a family’s pain for personal gain is something that will be done to them, too.

Comment #57: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  05:51 PM

do notice that Palin preaches fundy values of no sex before marriage
And that has WHAT exactly to do with her daughter? Sarah Palin has her opinion. Her daughter clearly has a different opinion. The fact that Sarah Palin clearly respects that difference and indeed is supporting her daughter rather than throwing her under the bus as Obama is apt to do should tell you something.. or are you just to stupid to see even that much. Rhetorical question.

Comment #58: A Steinburg  on  09/03  at  05:54 PM

Jesse had the right idea the other day.  The private lives of Sarah Palin and her children are none of our business.  The same goes for any politician.  And by the same token, all politicians should extend the same consideration to the private lives of private citizens.

Comment #59: FlipYrWhig  on  09/03  at  05:56 PM

When Sarah Palin fires a librarian for not removing books she considers to be offensive, that matters.

When Sarah Palin demands that schools in Alaska limit their curriculum to Abstinence Only Education, her “personal opinion” matters.

When Sara Palin, Queen of Nowhere, demands this or that or fires people who don’t lick her jackboots because SHE THINKS HER PERSONAL OPINIONS SHOULD BE POLICY FOR EVERYBODY it matters.

If you can’t figure it out, you are stupid.

Comment #60: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:57 PM

Nor is the daughter of the prospective VP of the USA. Idiot.

The prospective VP of the USA is trying to pass laws that would ensure that no other woman in the United States would be allowed to make the “choice” that she claims her daughter made.  So your argument is that Palin’s family should be allowed to make their own healthcare choices but the rest of us peasants just can’t be trusted with it and need Big Daddy Government to decide if we can stay pregnant or not?

But why would that make any sense to a baby-killer?

Uh-huh.  Fail, sweetie pie.  Come back when you can explain why Bristol Palin should be allowed to decide for herself whether or not she wants a baby but the rest of us are just too untrustworthy and need the government to step in and make those decisions for us.

Comment #61: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  05:58 PM

Oh yes, and when will Sarah Palin respect my right to supply condoms to my sons and any of their friends who might need them?  You better believe she would support government policies to prevent me from doing so if she could get away with it/demand it/fire people who wouldn’t do it, etc.

Comment #62: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  05:58 PM

And that has WHAT exactly to do with her daughter? Sarah Palin has her opinion.

Sarah Palin thinks her opinion should be the law of the land.  She thinks that every child in America should get abstinence-only education and that pregnant rape and incest victims should be forced to carry to term.

If all she was doing was saying what her opinion was, fine.  But she wants to change the law that affects every American so that we all have to follow her opinion.

But I guess that, like most Republicans, you think the law is for the little people and even if Palin did get her laws passed, you and your family would get an exemption anyway, so why should you care about what laws she wants to pass?

Comment #63: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  06:02 PM

where do you idiots get your info from? it’s complete crap. If Palin was truly going to enforce no sex etc (which you and I both know is ridiculous), then IT WOULD ALREADY BE LAW IN ALASKA. Retards.

ho was it that sent out a press release announcing her pregnancy to the world?
You fucking idiot, you know damn well they were forced to because of FUCKING LIBERAL COCKSUCKERS LIKE YOU accusing her of being the grandmother of her son. YOU forced it you fucking great moron. OMG I can’t believe how stupid you are. I can’t stand even reading your shit any more.

Comment #64: Sick of this BULLSHIT  on  09/03  at  06:08 PM

Palin is said to be more extreme than GWB on her willful ignorance of scientifically established reality and desire to impose fundamentalist Christian “values” upon every person in the country as the law of the land.

Add in her storied tantrums, loyalty oaths, demands that any city employee in the cow town she was in get her approval to talk to the press, summary dismissal of people she had no legal authority to dismiss, etc. and installation of her cronies, lets just say that the woman is Unfit for Command.

Comment #65: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  06:08 PM

SoB, she’s tried.  The Alaska Supreme Court, the legislature, the civil service code, etc. just keep getting in her little small town charming gun nut way? 

NOoooo Fayyyyyeerrrrrr.

Comment #66: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  06:09 PM

the Right thinks that my uterus is public property that should be regulated by the government

Obama does too, at least after viability without a medical excuse.  So, got any dirt on his daughters?

Ooops, sorry, I take that back—I just remembered, he even supports infanticide.

Oh, plus, Mnemosyne, I’m sure we can dig up some bill The One voted for even though it cut a few millions off the funds originally allocated for Planned Parenthood.

Well, off to do some cocaine.  No wait—the government won’t let me, it’s regulating what I do with my own nose.  At least Obama does not support the passage of laws to make a cocaine a criminal offense.  If he were, his own cocaine use would be a matter of public interest.

You know, Mnemosyne, if you tried to support laws outlawing stupidity, your own stupidity would be a matter of public interest.

Comment #67: The Raving Atheist  on  09/03  at  06:10 PM

It’s completely inappropriate.  They should have shipped Bristol back to Alaska instead of parading her around with the baby-daddy.  All it does is extend this another news cycle and further embarrass McCain. 

I feel a little bad for the guy.  He was stuck with this by the evangelical nutbag right.  It used to be that these people were pragmatic about politics and would get behind a candidate and fight to win, but they do not like John McCain, and they are more than willing to threaten his campaign to get what they want.

Tom Ridge or Joe Lieberman would have been fine, capable and compelling running mates.  A unity ticket with Joe Lieberman coupled with a one-term pledge would have totally countered Obama’s “Change” mantra.  But Dobson and the other wingnuts had to throw a tantrum because they didn’t feel they were getting stroked enough, and instead we end up with the slutty daughter convention. 

Maybe I will vote for Obama.

Comment #68: mitchforth  on  09/03  at  06:11 PM

You got the raving part right.

Comment #69: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  06:14 PM

FUCKING LIBERAL COCKSUCKERS LIKE YOU accusing her of being the grandmother of her son.

Huh?  It was the right-wing nutbags who got loose with that one.  Why would any liberal care?  We are too busy trying to make sure that healthcare, social support, and over-22 housing options exist for Trigg to give a shit who his *real* mother may be.

Comment #70: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  06:15 PM

Frankly, I think Sick of this BULLSHIT wins this argument, hands-down.  I mean, is there any rhetorical strategy more effective than typing words in all capital letters and calling people who dare to hold a different opinion “retards”?  Sick of this BULLSHIT is clearly intelligent—he’s so right, he gets to ignore basic rules of spelling, grammar, and logic.  SUCK ON TAHT, YOU LIBREAL RETRAD COKSUCERS!!!! 

This guy should be speaking at the convention.  That’s the way to make it funnier.

Comment #71: Bradley  on  09/03  at  06:20 PM

How is it that when the day the Edwards story broke with the MSM Amanda Marcotte ranted that it was “none of our business” , but when the Bristol Palin story broke Monday, she’s all over it?

Because what John Edwards did was, well, ……. normal.*
Sure, it would be good if everyone in a committed relationship was always faithful, but everyone knows that sometimes they’re not
Shotgun weddings are not normal.  The fact that the daughter had sex out side of marriage, like millions of other 17 year olds is not our business.  The fact that they hastily through together a wedding to the high school redneck from the trailer park after the news broke is

*have you noticed that Democratic sex scandals are of the “had relations with a women who was not his wife” verity while Republican sex scandals usually involve wetsuits, 9 year olds and public restrooms?

Comment #72: Jeff452  on  09/03  at  06:26 PM

I feel very sorry for Bristol Palin, who has done nothing to deserve getting a public ceremonial slut-shaming to add to her other troubles.

I don’t see any lefty responsibility for this at all, unless the National Inquirer counts as an organ of the left.  This is what happens to pregnant teenage celebrities in America, as Jamie Lynn Spears could tell you. I’m not at all saying that this is as it should be—of course it isn’t—but it’s the way it is.

Running for national office makes you and your family instant celebrities.  It’s not political at all.  Sarah Palin knew this when she chose to run for vice president, knew the kind of media coverage her daughter’s pregnancy would receive, and accepted that price for her ambitions.  I wonder if she consulted Bristol’s preferences beforehand?

I do rather think I would have handled this differently, if I were the candidate and Bristol my child.  I would have pointed out that my family is not running for office, and asked that their privacy be respected—Sarah Palin and John McCain seem to be intent on pushing Bristol and her young man out front stage center.

Comment #73: rea  on  09/03  at  06:27 PM

You got the raving part right

DING DING DING DING DING!!!! Congratulations, Kate, you’re the one millionth commenter to make that exact same “joke.”  Are you an Obama speechwriter?

Comment #74: The Raving Atheist  on  09/03  at  06:34 PM

So now giving an organization $3.9 million of new government money is a “cut.”

She used her line item veto power to “cut” the money appropriated by the legislature, from $5 million to $3.9 million.  Is that an incorrect use of the word, “cut”?  What would you prefer, “slash”?  “Melt, thaw and resolve itself into a dew”?

Comment #75: rea  on  09/03  at  06:35 PM

I think “Sick of this BULLSHIT” needs to go back to checking the kerning on an Obama birth certificate scan or some other equally masturbatory exercise.  It would be a better use of his time…and ours…

And didn’t “The Raving Atheist” get banned this weekend?...

Comment #76: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  06:36 PM

Did somebody hear a buzzing noise in here?  Almost like someone trying to say something coherent but only managing to splutter?

Huh.

Anyway, shall we talk about which campaign is exploiting poor Bristol Palin and Levi Johnston by having them appear at photo ops?

Comment #77: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  06:36 PM

“Congratulations, Kate, you’re the one millionth commenter to make that exact same “joke.””

Look asshole, Ms Kate isn’t the one who chose your stupid nom de blog.  You put a kick-me sign on your own back, expect to get kicked…

Comment #78: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  06:38 PM

Being a separation of church and state guy, I can’t get too exercised about cutting a grant of money to Covenant House. Although he is long gone, Covenant House was established by a pedophile priest who liked to have sex with the runaway kids he pulled in off the street. We must have a dozen copies of the founder’s “Sometimes God Has a Kid’s Face,” which was mass-mailed to solicit contributions. After the scandal broke, Fr. Ritter was replaced by a nun. And his book now reads like a sick joke.

Comment #79: Hector B.  on  09/03  at  06:38 PM

erm, can we bunny or disemvowel or you kno, ban, the guy who used ableist (retard) and sexist/homophobic (cocksucker) insults?

kthxbai

Comment #80: jessilikewhoa  on  09/03  at  06:44 PM

“I might not have been paying too much attention, but I don’t think we’ve been involved in any big disagreements in the past, have we?”

Sorry, Joshua, I got you confused with Jason.  These things happen when you get old… smile

Comment #81: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  06:46 PM

Feeling lazy, so I’ll just copy over what I said the other day:

We can compromise: talk about the GOP’s Xtian fantasist policy issues, and then talk about theoretical consequences of those policies: like, say, a high-school student getting pregnant (because that abstinence-only sex-ed programme said birth control is for sluts) and not being able to have an abortion (because only Hell-bound baby-killers visit the Planned Parenthood clinic). Then cite all those unpleasant but fully-supported stats [about the consequences of teen pregnancy for both mother and child].

It’s a legitimate generic scenario that’s been discussed millions of times before anyone outside Alaska heard of Palin (i.e. 4 days ago). As long as we keep it general and don’t name names, it’s fine with me. People will make the connection on their own, and while that’s sad for Palin’s daughter, she’s welcome to blame the real authors of her public misfortune: her power-obsessed mother and the sensation-hungry MSM.

The fact that they’re now trundling out the shotgun dad only re-enforces that last sentence.

Comment #82: Gracchus  on  09/03  at  06:48 PM

jessi, it seems like disemvowling hasn’t been available since the move to the new server.  At least I don’t recall seeing any in a long time.

But I am all in favor of it.  I would also love bunnification to come back too…

Comment #83: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  06:48 PM

These are my favorite types of comments from trolls: “OMG I can’t believe how stupid you are. I can’t stand even reading your shit any more. “

Because I don’t go to Rethug sites and try to read their stuff and talk to tehm about it. I only engage them in person, face to face, where we can try to functon like logical beings.

Comment #84: Daisy  on  09/03  at  07:07 PM

Did somebody hear a buzzing noise in here?  Almost like someone trying to say something coherent but only managing to splutter?

“Mnemosyne . . . Offering Content-Free Responses to Points She Can’t Rationally Address Since 2003”

Obama OWNS your uterus after viability, get used to it! (and doesn’t think mental distress is an excuse)

Comment #85: The Raving Atheist  on  09/03  at  07:19 PM

No, poor Sarah Palin couldn’t abort her Down’s Syndrome baby but she could tempt nature to take its course. She loves running up steep hills when she is 6 months pregnant because it really kills her guts. She ignored an amniotic fluid leak at 8 months gestation prefering to give a speech rather than show any concern for the wellbeing of her unborn child. She flew from one end of the country to the other when in labor and then intentionally removed herself away from access to high quality healthcare in a risky situation. Does Sarah Palin really feel blessed by God to be given a Down’s baby or was she trying to find a way around the rules that she has publically endorsed for others?

How do you spell hypocrite? S-A-R-A-H-P-A-L-I-N

Comment #86: Scarlett  on  09/03  at  07:25 PM

“Mnemosyne . . . Offering Content-Free Responses to Points She Can’t Rationally Address Since 2003”

Offer me a rational point to respond to, and I might indulge you.  Until then, why should I offer anything but mockery?  You think that the War on Drugs is so awesome that it should be extended to my uterus.

Comment #87: Mnemosyne  on  09/03  at  07:47 PM

Are you an Obama speechwriter?

No.  Obama’s speechwriters are communications professionals ... I merely stated the obvious.

That last bit needs a change ... like raving lunatic or something.

Comment #88: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  08:18 PM

BTW, Palin is well to the right of Hitler.

Comment #89: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  08:22 PM

For the ” BABY KILLER OHHH NOOOOOS!!!” people, there is someone running on one of the tickets who likely has killed or attempted to kill babies or children. He did it from the air, and he requested the assignment, but when he landed in a lake, the locals let him know how much they appreciated that by beating him within an inch of his life.
My guess is that the NV regulars saved him from being beaten to death by the locals.*

Prior to that incident , he was given pause when he saw over 100 of his shipmates killed by napalm and other ordinance in an accident aboard his ship, and momentarily reflected on his actions after a narrow escape with his own life.
But that didn’t stop him. He requested reassignment so he could continue killing immediately.

Oddly, none of that has deterred him from wanting to kill more.
In fact, many think it qualifies him to be President. They are called Republicans and are absolutely unworried about someone with PTSD who was tortured until he broke and worked for the enemy having the helm of the most powerful military and economy in the world.** I wonder what foreign governments think? Maybe some sleep easy with some hidden knowledge. Or maybe they are really worried.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain
** Those qualifications would bring up major red flags for a job involving high level national security at the Pentagon, which I think may be why McCain’s military career seemed like a dead end to him.

Comment #90: staydaddy  on  09/03  at  08:38 PM

Staydaddy: thank you for the rationality. I will be using that, I tell ya.

Comment #91: Rebecca  on  09/03  at  09:13 PM

they were forced to because of FUCKING LIBERAL COCKSUCKERS LIKE YOU accusing her of being the grandmother of her son. YOU forced it you fucking great moron.

Huh…I didn’t realize that the only possible way to quell the rumors about her youngest son was to announce her daughter’s pregnancy.

See, in my world, there are birth certificates and hospital records and doctor’s affidavits—you may not have those on your planet.

And if Sarah Palin can’t stand up to a bunch of cocksucking liberal bloggers, how can expect her to stand up to Al Qaeda and Iran and the next bogey man RoveCo manufactures for the pants wetters.

Comment #92: Dorothy  on  09/03  at  09:31 PM

Staydaddy, excellent point.

That’s something that has always bothered me ... 5 1/2 years of being tortured as a POW is somehow a credential??  Shit, I’d think that would make you less capable of performing under pressure, myself - that whole PTSD and all.  Something like that has to have a lasting effect.

Of course, many of the techniques used against him are not even considered torture by our current standards, so what really “broke” him? 

*Sigh*  If only this happened to Obama ... his entire POW experience would be deconstructed by the media, the various techniques they used against him would be scrutinized, and in the end, he’d be branded a traitor for breaking under what would be dismissed as “simple interrogation techniques”. 

I suppose you can’t have everything.

Comment #93: Joshua  on  09/03  at  09:33 PM

So…Sarah Palin did everything because the liberal media made her do it?

Next we’ll be hearing that she flew across the country after her water broke because liberal reporters were chasing her.

Comment #94: Rebecca  on  09/03  at  09:40 PM

An interesting side-note to this is that Covenant House is a Catholic-run organization. Hmm… Maybe Palin didn’t want to give money to the hell-bound papist infidels. Quick, someone call Bill Donohue! He’ll expose her as an anti-catholic bigot - oh wait, that only works if the person in question is a librul.

Comment #95: Echolalia  on  09/03  at  10:03 PM

”*Sigh* If only this happened to Obama ... his entire POW experience would be deconstructed by the media, the various techniques they used against him would be scrutinized, and in the end, he’d be branded a traitor for breaking under what would be dismissed as “simple interrogation techniques”. “

I figure they would be claiming he turned himself over to the North Vietnamese because he could see the political advantages of being a POW 40-years in the future.  Either that or they would claim he faked the whole thing…

Comment #96: MikeEss  on  09/03  at  10:04 PM

Next we’ll be hearing that she flew across the country after her water broke because liberal reporters were chasing her.

Never mind that she had to LIE HER ASS OFF to be allowed on a plane past the 8th month of pregnancy, due to airline regulations.

Comment #97: Ms Kate  on  09/03  at  10:10 PM

Lessee what we got here (from above):“What a cynical, heartless bitch Palin must be, to do that to her own vulnerable kid. (Let alone the shotgun wedding to trailer trash.) “

Sexist slur, check.
Classist slur, check.  OOoooo, so close to a hat trick, so sorry!

IOW, Fauxgressive much?

Comment #98: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  09/03  at  11:22 PM

Whoa, just caught up on the troll-train.  Did the RNC task some resources to Pandagon?  (Just had to use some “Clancy-speak” there.)

MikeEss, are you sure you’re not mixing up Joshua and ME?  >8^D!

+++
I think the more veiled references we can work into any conversation about birth control to Bristol Palin, the better.  When accused, we just feign innocence.  From now on all fictional, notional ‘girls in trouble’ will be domiciled in Anchorage, not Chicago, Detroit, or L.A.

Comment #99: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  09/03  at  11:39 PM

I’m convinced that the only reason she’s been picked is this. The “family values” nutjobs are loving this and every time anyone brings up any unrelated issue they can just screech about a mother of five being attacked by the evil libruls or blah blah privacycakes. It’s a great distraction for them. Sort of like the POW thing, but with the added bonus of giving the woman-hating mouthbreathers something they really get off on - a pregnant teenage girl paraded around in public for some slut-shaming. And then they get to go and whine about families being off-limits.

Comment #100: elena  on  09/04  at  01:27 AM

Ah, yes, Barney Frank, the same pos who was reprimanded for allowing his favorite male prostitute the use of his apartment for a prostitution ring. If Gerry Studds had not died and gone to hell, no doubt you’d be citing him too.

Comment #101: Robert O  on  09/04  at  03:59 AM

Ah yes, Robert O, you remind me of a song ... sort of ...

She is a bitch
I’m just “being blunt”
Abortion is killing baybeees ...
And you are a cunt

But where are the trolls ...
Send in the trolls ...

Comment #102: Ms Kate  on  09/04  at  10:33 AM

For people who like facts (presumably GOP batshit trolls aren’t among them) it was the NATIONAL ENQUIRER that pushed Palin into commenting publicly about her pregnancy.

For GOP batshit trolls, check your snailmail, your copy of that supermarket tabloid is probably in it. If it’s “THE EVILLL!!! LIBERAL MEDIA”, why do you and your friends subscribe?

Comment #103: A.Lizard  on  09/04  at  10:29 PM
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