Login

Register

Member List

RSS Feed

Amanda | Contact

Auguste | Contact

Jesse | Contact

Pam | Contact

Next entry: The future of the Republican party? Previous entry: Obama’s win really does usher in a new era

Reagan Always Wins.  Always.

imageScott Rasmussen opines today that Barack Obama’s election reaffirms the central tenet of American political life, which is that Ronald Reagan is what people want, even before Ronald Reagan was around to let us know how much we wanted him.

Barack Obama won the White House by campaigning against an unpopular incumbent in a time of economic anxiety and lingering foreign policy concerns. He offered voters an upbeat message, praised the nation as a land of opportunity, promised tax cuts to just about everyone, and overcame doubts about his experience with a strong performance in the presidential debates.

Does this sound familiar? It should. Mr. Obama followed the approach that worked for Ronald Reagan. His victory confirmed that voters still embrace the guiding beliefs of the Reagan era.

There are levels of specificity and generality that one can use to make an argument.  For instance, one could say that a chicken is like a pillow because both contain feathers, or one can say that a lemon is like a lime because they’re both citrus fruits whose juices are commonly used for a diversity of flavoring purposes in a large number of cuisines. 

Scott Rasmussen just made your chicken into a pillow. 

Barack Obama ran in large part against the unpopular incumbency of George W. Bush, yes.  FDR ran against the unpopular incumbency of Herbert Hoover.  I’m sure that James Buchanan came up once or twice when Abraham Lincoln was running in 1860, because Buchanan was just that shitty of a president.  All across this great nation, non-incumbent candidates have run against the awful terms of terrible incumbents since we started electing people into office.  (Well, technically, probably at least a year or two, given that there were no incumbents before we started voting people in.)  I could argue that it’s an inherent feature of failed terms that challengers will stake their campaigns on the failure of the current officeholder, but then I forgot that whatever Reagan touches, Reagan possesses.  For instance, your mom. 

Likewise, running a positive, future-oriented campaign could theoretically be the original provenance of Ronald Reagan, but I have a hard time believing that in the prior two centuries of organized electioneering, the consensus campaign platform on which all other candidates ran was “Poo Now, Poo In The Future”.  If a good performance in debates is likewise Reagan’s thug thizzle,  we’re again left with an entire history of American politicking which, until 1980, resulted in mumblemouthed numbskulls complaining about how awful everything was. 

The tax plan comparison is wrong on its face - Obama’s plan is almost the exact opposite of Reaganomics, and was repeatedly assailed as such, for good (both from a policy and a logical perspective) reason.

Our political discourse, basically as long as I’ve been alive, has been focused on Ronald Reagan.  It’s the fourth-grade-history version of electoral politics: I know who George Washington and Abraham Lincoln were, so everyone else who was ever president must have been like one of the two of them.  Well, except Nixon, who didn’t chop down the cherry tree - he just poisoned the roots and then used the resulting sickness from the tainted cherries to promote the apples he’d been growing this season as a healthier alternative. 
There’s one fundamental problem with this - even given the idol-worship of Ronald Reagan, the persistent belief that he is the alpha and omega of politics rest only on the most generalized view of Reagan’s principles.

A Rasmussen survey conducted Oct. 2 found that 59% agreed with the sentiment expressed by Reagan in his first inaugural address: “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” Just 28% disagreed with this sentiment. That survey also found that 44% of Obama voters agreed with Reagan’s assessment (40% did not). And McCain voters overwhelmingly supported the Gipper.

The real challenge for the new president will be attempting to govern with a message that resonates with most voters but divides his own party. Consider that 43% of voters view it as a positive to describe a candidate as being like Reagan, while just 26% consider it a negative. Being compared to Reagan rates higher among voters than being called “conservative,” “moderate,” “liberal” or “progressive.” Except among Democrats, that is. Fifty-one percent of Democrats view that Reagan comparison as a negative. There’s Mr. Obama’s dilemma in a nutshell.

His dilemma, to be clear, is that based on a single policy prescription which bears only the vaguest of similarities to Ronald Reagan’s plans from twenty-eight years ago, he will be hated by his own party because of an undying and creepy Republican mancrush/obsession.  His dilemma, to be even clearer, is the stupidest fucking thing ever.

I’m not particularly interested in fighting over what the exact proper definition is for Ronald Reagan’s contribution to politics.  What I am interested in, however, is making it completely clear that Ronald Reagan does not get to absorb every good thing that every presidential candidate ever does throughout perpetuity, nor is his corruption-riddled, hypocritical, propaganda-driven legacy the only benchmark for a successful period of governance.  What we’re being expected to believe is that a black Democrat running openly on large levels of government investment in our economy, higher tax rates on high earners, a humble and diplomacy-focused foreign policy, alternative energy and expanded, government-driven access to healthcare - and repeated attacked as a socialist for doing so - is the exact same as a white Republican conservative who agreed with Grover Norquist’s remark that we must drown government in the bathtub.

A desire to see Ronald Reagan win every time does not mean that, in fact, Ronald Reagan actually won every time. 

 

------

Registration is now required! We're still in the process of getting it all squared away, so for the moment don't forget to Login or Register using the links in the upper left menu before starting to write your comment.

Posted by Jesse Taylor on 02:45 PM • (46) Comments

Chicken, Pillow, Feathers?

I guess there is the similarity that “hope is the thing with feathers” (I should hope you were making that allusion) and both Reagan and Obama sold hope?

But wait a minute ... did Reagan really sell hope as many would claim or was he selling something else ... Philadelphia Miss. anyone?  Which is exactly the same as Obama’s associations with Rev. Wright ... or something ...

Comment #1: DAS  on  11/10  at  02:52 PM

Scott Rasmussen opines today that Barack Obama’s election reaffirms the central tenet of American political life, which is that Ronald Reagan is what people want

Except, apparently, without the supply-side economic fantasism, the Southern Strategy appeal to racism, the willingness to engage in military adventures…

I’d take this opportunity to add Rasmussen to the long list of pundits who’s not worth reading, except that he writes for the WSJ op-ed page—that earns him an automatic spot.

Comment #2: Gracchus  on  11/10  at  02:56 PM

That is one creepy weird photo.

Comment #3: jfm  on  11/10  at  03:02 PM

[Obama’s] victory confirmed that voters still embrace the guiding beliefs of the Reagan era.

So Ronald Regan was a socialist? Who knew….

Comment #4: sjk  on  11/10  at  03:05 PM

Poor things ... they’re beaten by reality as much by the election, they’re scared because nothing they believe in worked in either the election nor in the real world of governance.

But damnit, they’re trying soooo hard to make it seem like they are still on the right track!  That they don’t have to admit to massive failure ... that their dreamworld didn’t translate to the brave new world they had hoped that it would.  Trying so hard to sniff behind the tail of the new power structure while they’re at it.

Poor things.  Still living in that dreamworld!

Comment #5: Ms Kate  on  11/10  at  03:10 PM

To paraphrase the rotund one: “Reagan is dead”

Comment #6: "Fair and Balanced" Dave  on  11/10  at  03:27 PM

The worst part is that not only was Obama’s tax plan nothing like Reagan’s, it was assumed to be more liberal than it is in the press.  Now they’re all shocked and stuff to find out that the cap for estate taxes is more than a million dollars higher than it was before Bush took office and repealed the estate tax.  (Already it seems amazing that we live in a country where people actually don’t think estates should be taxed.)

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/10  at  03:40 PM

“Long live Reagan!”

Comment #8: Em  on  11/10  at  03:42 PM

That is one creepy weird photo.

There’s a special hell reserved for whoever Photoshopped that. (Shudder)

Comment #9: JesterDel  on  11/10  at  03:45 PM

Amanda:

Already it seems amazing that we live in a country where people actually don’t think estates should be taxed.

I’m constantly amazed that most people don’t even seem to have a very good understanding of what taxes actually are, of what is actually being taxed. Most people, regardless of ideological bent, appear to think that money itself is taxed, but in reality, taxes are levied on exchanges of money. So the prevailing argument against estate taxes — that you’re taxing the same money twice — is wrong on its face, because taxes don’t even work like that.

Comment #10: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  11/10  at  03:54 PM

Fuck that shit. I am so sick of hearing about Reagan. He was a fucking asshole. How many people died of AIDS because of his unwillingness to act? Fuck him. Dead motherfucker.

Comment #11: Mark  on  11/10  at  04:08 PM

That picture is sick sick sick sick sick.

Comment #12: tinny  on  11/10  at  04:14 PM

That picture must destroyed for all time, never to be looked upon again.

Comment #13: Matt  on  11/10  at  04:20 PM

1980-1988 - Reagan Rules!!! 

2000:  Bush is great, a guy we’d like to have a beer with.  Goddamn those coastal liberal elites with their lattes! 

2004:  Bush is great, and to say otherwise is TREASON!!!  GITMO!!!!!

2008:  Bush is great, we need someone like Bush.
      McCain is the maverick! Just like Bush!
      Um, no we hate Bush! McCain is not like Bush! Maverick! Maverick! Palin!!!
      Obama is the most liberal governor, islamofascist, socialist, traitor, terrorist, muslim who pals around with those radicals that hate america.

      Obama won! Why? Because he’s just like Reagan, don’tcha you know?


*headdesk*

Comment #14: melaka  on  11/10  at  04:24 PM

Dan:
I’m constantly amazed that most people don’t even seem to have a very good understanding of what taxes actually are, of what is actually being taxed.

Yeah, and the conservative tax-cut scam has kept going as long as it has because most people have no idea how much they actually pay in taxes, or compare year-to-year. (Which is hard anyway because income changes, etc.) So Republicans can run on cutting everyone’s taxes, get headlines for passing tax cuts that actually go to the rich, and most people will vaguely assume that their taxes must have been cut.

If I were elected president, I’d increase income taxes and increase withholding. Necessary revenue would be raised, and everyone would get a bigger refund check so most people would believe they got a tax cut.

Comment #15: Redshift  on  11/10  at  04:34 PM

Really. Can we never see that photo again?

And I forget- did Obama negotiate with Iranian kidnappers to get them to continue holding American hostages until he was elected?

Comment #16: stryx  on  11/10  at  04:36 PM

To quote a poem written by a friend of mine on the day of the Gipper’s demise:

Reagan’s dead, so I’m told
Just like Elvis but Ron was old
People say the King isn’t went
But we’re sure about that president.

Comment #17: Alex, FCD  on  11/10  at  04:40 PM

The constant Reagonolatry really has to be destroyed with extreme prejudice.  The best way to accomplish this is to start in-depth investigations and aggressive prosecutions of the Bush regime, which contains so many Iran-Contra alumni.  By going hard against Bush, it would be possible to find out just what the hell happened in the eighties as well and punish the malfeasors.

No pardons, no reconciliation.  The Obama administration must come down hard on these thugs, even those who were in the Nixon administration.  The country can’t heal unless the gangrenous tissue is excised from the wound.

Comment #18: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  11/10  at  04:40 PM

In Soviet Russia, Reagan wins YOU!

Comment #19: Ellen  on  11/10  at  04:48 PM

A desire to see Ronald Reagan win every time does not mean that, in fact, Ronald Reagan actually won every time.

I mean, here I think you might be missing a great deal about the Obama strategy.  Barack Obama embraced many of the campaign tricks and political merits of the Reagen Administration.  Does this mean Obama is going to run off and invade Grenada or nominate Robert Bork to the Supreme Court?  No, of course not.

But Obama’s “Yes we can!” had shadows of “Morning in America” laced throughout it.

Whatever may be said of Saint Ronald of Raygun, you can’t deny the fact that the man won the Presidency.  Twice.  In increasingly large landslides.  He is a fixture in American politics not because he is liberal or conservative, but because he is successful.  And Obama is a smart guy.  Why wouldn’t he tap Reagen’s legendary political success?

Comment #20: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  04:51 PM

“Whatever may be said of Saint Ronald of Raygun, you can’t deny the fact that the man won the Presidency.  Twice.”

Winning POTUS twice might have carried some weight back in the day, until George “Heh, heh, heh” Bush did it too and sorta ruined it for everybody…

Comment #21: MikeEss  on  11/10  at  05:06 PM

Well, except Nixon, who didn’t chop down the cherry tree - he just poisoned the roots and then used the resulting sickness from the tainted cherries to promote the apples he’d been growing this season as a healthier alternative. 

(clap, clap, clap)  One of the better political metaphors I’ve seen lately.  You rock.

Comment #22: RobW  on  11/10  at  05:11 PM

Ohdamnit will be forced to rule from the extreme far-rite because his Marxist masters in Mecca will make him institute Shania Law here. The Bilderburgers demand it and are instituting a program of psychosis-inducing chem-trails to make sure it happens.  Read the side of a Dr. Bronners bottle if you don’t believe me.  Facts are facts.

Comment #23: Rugged in Montana  on  11/10  at  05:18 PM

How many times does this guy have to be told he’s not funny before he writes some new material?  God, what a bore.

Comment #24: Em  on  11/10  at  05:24 PM

(Constant repetition is the source of my amazing success, Em.)

Comment #25: Rugged in Montana  on  11/10  at  05:33 PM

Eh, I like Rugged in Montana. And on days when I’m not in the mood, he’s easy to skip over. What’s the problem?

Comment #26: Ellen  on  11/10  at  05:40 PM

(I particularly find it cute when the REAL wingnuts think he’s on their side, haha!)

Comment #27: Ellen  on  11/10  at  05:41 PM

How many times does this guy have to be told he’s not funny before he writes some new material?  God, what a bore.

Come on, his Shania Law stuff is pretty good: after all, one of its major precepts is intended to make a woman Feel Like a Woman.

Comment #28: Gracchus  on  11/10  at  06:16 PM

Hey, if the wingnuts can claim FDR as one of their guiding lights…

Comment #29: paul  on  11/10  at  06:17 PM

A Rasmussen survey conducted Oct. 2 found that 59% agreed with the sentiment expressed by Reagan in his first inaugural address: “Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” Just 28% disagreed with this sentiment. That survey also found that 44% of Obama voters agreed with Reagan’s assessment (40% did not). And McCain voters overwhelmingly supported the Gipper.

What was the context of this survey? I know that Reagan was talking about government in general, but given that the last 8 years have been filled with bad decisions that have directly impacted just about everybody in this country, and given that the Oct. 2 survey was conducted during the hottest part of an impassioned campaign season in which even Republicans were throwing Bush under the bus, I wonder if the respondents were thinking about ALL governments, or just the bumblefuckery of the last 8 years of our government.

Comment #30: cycles  on  11/10  at  06:19 PM

I don’t know, Ern, the “Dr Bronners bottle” was definitely original.  And real-life wingnuts often repeat themselves, so yeah, RIM has that part right.  Sometimes it’s hit and miss, but occasionally he’ll hit the spot right on (he was pretty good on that thread about gay marriage).

Comment #31: melaka  on  11/10  at  06:23 PM

I’m sure that James Buchanan came up once or twice when Abraham Lincoln was running in 1860, because Buchanan was just that shitty of a president.

I am, too.  To this day, Abraham Lincoln is known by the nickname “Honest Abe” but history has swallowed the fact that this originated as a campaign slogan.  It was effective in the 1860 election precisely because of the corruption of the Buchanan administration.  Despite all that he has done, I still rate Bush as only the second worst president ever.  No matter how bad things have gotten (and make no mistake, they are BAD!), we still have one UNITED States and there is no prospect of any state slitting off over the results.

Comment #32: apikoros  on  11/10  at  06:28 PM

I found Rugged annoying at first, but now I just scroll past. No need for AI parody trolls when we get so many ones who are real in both senses.

Comment #33: Samantha Vimes  on  11/10  at  07:00 PM

I didn’t realize Rugged was a parody until the one where I said he jumped the shark.

I think he could get a gig on Steven Colbert. If Steven is the pretend Righty bobblehead, RiM could be the pretend member of “the base” incoherantly rambling from the “republican on the street” perspective.

Comment #34: K. Mac  on  11/10  at  07:18 PM

we still have one UNITED States and there is no prospect of any state slitting off over the results.

Please inform Todd Palin and the Alaskan Independence Party.

Comment #35: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  07:45 PM

This is one of the most enjoyable posts I’ve read in eons.  One of the many things I love about the Pandagon authors is that they can combine thoughtful political analysis with “your mom” and pull it off.

The bit about Nixon and the cherry tree was the coup de grace.

Comment #36: Cris  on  11/10  at  07:50 PM

or instance, one could say that a chicken is like a pillow because both contain feathers,

I love you.

Also, so very much sick of conservatives saying “Now that Obama has won in an electoral landslide by running as a liberal, he should settle down and start being a conservative because the people have spoken.”

Comment #37: Kyra  on  11/10  at  07:55 PM

I THOUGHT I ASKED FOR BETTER PUNDITS NOW

I CAN HAS BETTER PUNDITRY NOW?!?!?!?!

Amanda, please, take this guys JOB away from him!!!  And take it!!

Comment #38: KMTBERRY  on  11/10  at  07:59 PM

I have only recently upgraded my opinion of Ronnie Raygun from empty headed shitheel.  His head did contain some ideas, that the myths of 1950’s America was something to believe in. And I have some perverse admiration for his ability to sell this vision to so many people.  I actually did admire his ability to be friendly to his political opposition.  In that much he was quite an improvement over Nixon. 

I think the picture is quite funny. Funnier even than the one BO campaign poster that resembled a Mao poster from the 60’s.

Comment #39: MiddleageLiberal  on  11/10  at  08:15 PM

This is the way I still like to imagine Reagan—Tireless and Impatient Mastermind. [Video link]

Comment #40: Gracchus  on  11/10  at  09:47 PM

Must be a city slicker—chickens don’t CONTAIN feathers.  Unless it’s a cannibal chicken.

Comment #41: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  11/10  at  10:57 PM

That is a brilliant but bizarre photomanip. And makes me wonder what Obama will look like as he gets older. Did anyone else think he looked ten years younger after the election?

[/totally OT, as has nothing intelligent to say about the actual post, which is a good one]

Comment #42: Nenya  on  11/11  at  12:00 AM

Well, Obama is looking for the best and brightest for his cabinet, which makes him like Reagan insofar as…


BRAAAAAIINNNS!!!

Comment #43: serena kitt  on  11/11  at  12:08 AM

Did anyone else think he looked ten years younger after the election?

During the election night speech at Grant Park I did suddenly start thinking, goddamn, that man looks good.

Comment #44: junk science  on  11/11  at  11:30 AM

NEVER show that photo again. Creepy-Ville.

No matter what those Reich-Wing Fucks say to associate President Obama (oooooo just got shivers from that…mmmmm), *cough* sorry - President-Elect Obama (oooooo shivers again)

Let’s begin again, cause I needed some time on that one.

No matter how anyone compares Obama to Reagan it won’t stick. Reagan was the epitome of ass-hattery Evil in the Oval Office, and Obama well, won’t be. Reagan was underhanded, EVIL, murderous, EVIL, blase about AIDS and people with disabilities (look at the homeless population in CA now, thank Governor Reagan), oh, and did I say EVIL?

If I were not Atheist then I would say to Reagan, “Rot in Hell you bastard.”

Comment #45: Minervasp  on  11/11  at  12:20 PM

So, if Obama was Regan, that means he ran a campaign villifying people on welfare, right?

Comment #46: some niceguy  on  11/11  at  07:27 PM
Page 1 of 1 pages
Commenting is not available in this channel entry.