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Religious Right objects to being called the Religious Right

Sometime the truth hurts. For the fundievangelical/American Taliban/bible-beating movement, being associated with the term “Religious Right” (coined by one of their own, Jerry Falwell) is now problematic since the term has become associated with ignorance and bigotry purportedly justified by scripture. Too bad, so sad. (Christianity Today):

Phrase ‘Religious Right’ Misused, Conservatives Say

...Several politically conservative evangelicals said in interviews that they do not want to be identified with the “Religious Right,” “Christian Right,” “Moral Majority,” or other phrases still thrown around in journalism and academia.

“There is an ongoing battle for the vocabulary of our debate,” said Gary Bauer, president of American Values. “It amazes me how often in public discourse really pejorative phrases are used, like the ‘American Taliban,’ ‘fundamentalists,’ ‘Christian fascists,’ and ‘extreme Religious Right.’ “

Gary Schneeberger, vice president of media and public relations for Focus on the Family, said that when writers include terms like “Religious Right” and “fundamentalist,” they can create negative impressions.

Terms like ‘Religious Right’ have been traditionally used in a pejorative way to suggest extremism,” Schneeberger said. “The phrase ‘socially conservative evangelicals’ is not very exciting, but that’s certainly the way to do it.”

...“When the so-called ‘Religious Right’ agrees with us, we applaud their good taste and good judgment,” said Land, who is president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission for the Southern Baptist Convention. Some phrases need to be eliminated from journalists’ vocabulary entirely, he said. “Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.

They cannot wash their hands of this; people have died because of the bigotry fomented and justified for years by Perkins, Falwell, Dobson, Sheldon and the rest of the professional “Christian” set. It could be argued that they need to retire the word Christian when referring to themselves because they have destroyed the word’s meaning.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 12:07 PM • (46) Comments

If you don’t want to be called a batshit crazy, pig ignorant, dumb as a box of rocks, cryptofascist, theocratic bigot, DON’T ACT LIKE ONE.

Comment #1: DrDick  on  02/13  at  12:19 PM

Everything in culture war politics can be summed up in that Onion headline, “Why Do All These Homosexuals Keep Sucking My Cock?”

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/13  at  12:21 PM

”Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.”

“Ayatollah” - a high ranking Shi’ite religious authority.  Think “Bishop”.
“Jihad” - a Muslim spiritual struggle or holy war. Think “Crusade”.
“Jihadists” - A Muslim involved in a jihad.  Think “Crusader”.

“Jihad” can be used in the same sense as “Campus Crusade For Christ”, or it can refer to religious calls to purge corrupt leaders (and, boy, do the Muslim nations have plenty of those) and remove foreign hegemons from Muslim lands.  Cf Protestants and Catholic conflicts.

Gee, it’s terrible when people use loaded words to misrepresent religion and imply fanaticism, isn’t it?

Comment #3: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/13  at  12:23 PM

Fine, from now on I’ll refer to them as the Religious Wrong.

Comment #4: Raging Red  on  02/13  at  12:26 PM

Oh, this is rich.

So you’re an abhorrent gang of bigots.  You come up with a name for yourselves, because “abhorrent gang of bigots” isn’t really all that catchy.  So you pick Religious Right, Christian Right, Moral Majority, etc.  Because your movement is based on fundamentalist religion, you also find it appropriate to be called Fundamentalist Christians. 

Then everybody realizes what you’re about, and you start hearing things like, “Oh, it’s those fundamentalist Moral Majority types wreaking havoc with their abhorrent bigotry yet again…”, and you realize, wait, these names you’ve invented for yourselves still sound bad out of the mouths of your detractors!  The names you carefully chose for yourselves have turned into insults!  Ohnose! 

Hint:  maybe the problem isn’t the words people are using to describe you.  Maybe it’s just you.

Comment #5: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  12:32 PM

Also, this totally reminds me of how Amway had to rebrand themselves as “Quixtar” because everyone had pretty much caught on to the fact that Amway is a pyramid scheme.

Comment #6: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  12:35 PM

poor widdle jebofascisti.

Comment #7: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  02/13  at  12:35 PM

This reminds me of something A. Whitney Brown said on a special that compiled his best bits from his time on The Daily Show.  It went something like:

“After this segment aired, The Unarius Institute complained that I had made them look silly.  I can’t take any credit for that.”

Comment #8: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  12:41 PM

It is fascinating that the people against the PC movement are now calling on the PC movement to save them.

Comment #9: Dolittle  on  02/13  at  12:46 PM

I hope it doesn’t say anything too bad about me that I can say that I can certainly believe they’d whine about all the bad press they’ve gotten for courting the nativists, racists, homophobes and crazies for their political power. Of course, Opoponax beat me to it, but that won’t stop me from putting in my oar.

Comment #10: Falconer  on  02/13  at  12:48 PM

Dolittle, is there still a PC movement, or has it become a boogeyman that assholes invoke when they want to “tell it like it is” and say mean things? I mean, the only people I hear the phrase from are people who are incensed that racial epithets are bad words.

Comment #11: Falconer  on  02/13  at  12:54 PM

Opop:

Hint: maybe the problem isn’t the words people are using to describe you. Maybe it’s just you.

Indeed. There cannot possibly be enough opportunities to repost this, but I still feel obligated to thank the Religious Right for providing another one.

Comment #12: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  02/13  at  12:54 PM

Yup!  So that brown thing floating in my toilet is not a turd, but rather a toasty bar of digestive       by-products?

Comment #13: CParis  on  02/13  at  12:56 PM

Didn’t they come up with most of those terms and phrases… themselves?  They can call themselves the Angel Puppy Movement, and eventually it will be used as a pejorative because everything they stand for blows.

Comment #14: SarahMC  on  02/13  at  12:58 PM

Kay….

Some of the epithets are getting a bit hackneyed (if not less accurate).

I submit for your approval…

ChristoLoon,
Deludocan,
GospelGeek,
Logically Challenged,
The Uncommonly Senseless,
JesoHun,
ChristoWhack.

Ain’t English wonderful?

Comment #15: Magis  on  02/13  at  01:02 PM

”Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.”


They wield the worlds; their bigoted thugs wield the pistols.

Comment #16: deep6  on  02/13  at  01:08 PM

I like ChristoWhack.

I’ll remember what lambs of compassion and decency Perkins and Dobson are next time they have a fucking mind spasm over hate crimes legislation.

Comment #17: deep6  on  02/13  at  01:11 PM

What, nobody’s mentioned “The Religious Reich” yet?

Comment #18: Nobody in Particular  on  02/13  at  01:18 PM

“There is an ongoing battle for the vocabulary of our debate,” said Gary Bauer, president of American Values.

This from the people who constantly battle to insist on the use of loaded words and phrases like “homosexual agenda,” “radical homosexual lobby,” “activist judges,” “attack on traditional marriage” and all the stuff they sling at feminists, non-Christians, pro-choice people, etc.

As has been pointed out, this isn’t even a case of their complaining that other people have defined the terms in use - these are in many cases their OWN terms. The fact that their behavior has made “Fundamentalist” or “Evangelical” mean “bigot” in so many minds is not a flaw in the word.

They not only want to control the vocabulary on both sides of the debates (they’ve created), they also want to control the perception and reporting on those terms.  Go figure.

Comment #19: Lymis  on  02/13  at  01:29 PM

”Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.”

Until ChristoFascists learn some history or develop the habit of picking up a newspaper every now and again, they don’t have a say in what people call them or how they’re categorized.  Last I checked, an “ayatollah” is not considered treacherous because he picked up a gun and threatened to kill somebody.  It’s a synechoche for “religious tyrant”, “totalitarian theocracy”, and the like. 

And, uhhhhh, srsly, guys, all “jihadist” means is holy warrior.  You became jihadists the moment you endorsed the bombing of your first abortion clinic.

Comment #20: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  01:30 PM

“You became jihadists the moment you endorsed the bombing of your first abortion clinic.”

...and you also became a supporter of terrorism, which, contrary to Religious Right belief, is political/military strategy not only limited to people from the Middle East with Arabic names…

Comment #21: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  01:44 PM

”Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.”

Thing is, the ayatollah isn’t the one putting th egun on the table or out there throwing the stones. It’s his followers. These idiots talk all day long about the Power of the Word but forget that words really do have power. If you incite violence with your rhetoric, don’t whine when you get blamed for it.

Comment #22: Keith  on  02/13  at  01:48 PM

is there still a PC movement, or has it become a boogeyman that assholes invoke when they want to “tell it like it is” and say mean things?

Boogeyman. 

Simple answers to easy questions.

I mean, the only people I hear the phrase from are people who are incensed that racial epithets are bad words.

Me, too.  Was there ever an actual PC movement?

Comment #23: Seraph  on  02/13  at  02:02 PM

“Was there ever an actual PC movement?”

...I think it was documented in the Homosexual Agenda…

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  02:09 PM

Opoponax wins the thread. smile

Comment #25: Essie Elephant  on  02/13  at  02:15 PM

”Until Tony Perkins or Jim Dobson puts a pistol on the table and threatens to kill someone, they shouldn’t be called ayatollah of the Right or the Jihadists of the Right.”

How about when some of their followers go out and beat a gay person to death with baseball bats?  Does that count?

Or, you know, arrange for a hospital to keep people away from their injured or dying loved ones, and put the decision-making authority in the hands of parents who disowned them years ago?

Personally, I’ll take my chances against Jim Dobson’s quickdraw any day.

Comment #26: Kyra  on  02/13  at  02:33 PM

As has been pointed out, this isn’t even a case of their complaining that other people have defined the terms in use - these are in many cases their OWN terms. The fact that their behavior has made “Fundamentalist” or “Evangelical” mean “bigot” in so many minds is not a flaw in the word.

THIS.

I am nominally involved with an anti-cancer campaign.  I hear its name quite a lot and recognize it.  And yet every time I hear it, I flinch just a bit.  Because it has “life” in the name, and something in my brain draws the connection with the antiabortion movement. EVERY. TIME.

Comment #27: Kyra  on  02/13  at  02:36 PM

Was there ever an actual PC movement?

Sorta.  I mean, there really was a push in the 70’s not to use racial epithets, make language more gender-neutral, and the like.  But it got blown all out of proportion by the backlash. 

Some things were a little silly, like the whole “womyn” and “herstory” thing.  But by and large, it was more about replacing “mail man” with “postal worker” and “Chink” with “Asian-American”.

Comment #28: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  02:44 PM

Oh, and squeeeee!  I never get to win the thread!

Comment #29: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  02:44 PM

Because it has “life” in the name, and something in my brain draws the connection with the antiabortion movement. EVERY. TIME.

There’s a car in my neighborhood with a very liberal bumper sticker right next to an old faded-out sticker I can’t entirely read, but one of the legible words is LIFE.  I’m almost certain it’s another liberal bumper sticker, but I do a double-take every time. My gut reaction is that the two stickers must espouse opposing viewpoints, even though duh, life is just a word, it doesn’t belong to the Right.

Comment #30: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  02:47 PM

Hint: maybe the problem isn’t the words people are using to describe you. Maybe it’s just you.

Let’s face it, America just isn’t that into you.

Comment #31: cynickal  on  02/13  at  03:00 PM

When sacred peanut butter went down in poisonous horror, I think it was the last straw.

Comment #32: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  03:04 PM

cynickal - WIN

Comment #33: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  03:04 PM

*The Opoponax hands her Official Thread Winner medal over to Cynickal*

Comment #34: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  03:09 PM

For the fundievangelical/American Taliban/bible-beating movement, being associated with the term “Religious Right” (coined by one of their own, Jerry Falwell) . . .

IOW, people who used to market themselves as conservatives because being a conservative was considered cool at the time, now can’t shed the label fast enough.

Comment #35: Molly, NYC  on  02/13  at  03:34 PM

Sorta.  I mean, there really was a push in the 70’s not to use racial epithets, make language more gender-neutral, and the like.  But it got blown all out of proportion by the backlash.

Some things were a little silly, like the whole “womyn” and “herstory” thing.  But by and large, it was more about replacing “mail man” with “postal worker” and “Chink” with “Asian-American”.

Though there was no real PC movement per se, there was still a sense that PC was being strongly enforced at the more politically left colleges such as Antioch, Berkeley, and Oberlin. 

IME, campus experiences among agnostic and religious classmates was that the majority atheist student body were free harass and disrespect them for their beliefs while any criticisms of such uncalled for behaviors will result in accusations they weren’t being tolerant and open-minded.  School authorities only seemed willing to act when the harassment and disrespect became extreme to the point of harassing/vandalizing local houses of worship. 

I also found that it was quite “PC” at my undergrad to be Marxist/Maoist as most of my classmates took great umbrage when I criticized the excesses of the Maoist era such as the mass starvations during Great Leap Forward(“Didn’t happen!! It is all Western/American propaganda!!!”*) or the Cultural Revolution which was scarily regarded by most along with other Maoist actions as a good thing. rolleyes

The backlash was, however, in force in the larger mainstream society judging by MSM coverage such as the one about Antioch College’s Sexual Consent Policy during the early 1990s. 

Much of the edge was probably already starting to fade as several older classmates and Profs complained that the then younger undergrads of the 1990s were far less politically active and conscious.


* It was amusing to hear that from the overwhelmingly socio-economically privileged White and a few Asian-American students who were not only ignoring widespread published negative accounts from people who lived during those periods, but also ignorant of the fact even the Chinese Communist Regime’s own historians have already admitted those mass starvations happened by the time we were undergrads.

Comment #36: exholt  on  02/13  at  03:46 PM

Seriously? I find it laughable that the very people who have no respect for a group’s decision to choose their own name are now griping about the supposed misinterpretation / representation of the one they CHOSE (not a privilege all are afforded) for themselves.

Dear Religious Right: Please do not refer to me as a pro-abortion liberal feminazi any more, it hurts me in my feel-bads and sends the wrong message about my political and moral beliefs

Comment #37: HooksInMyHead  on  02/13  at  05:13 PM

I vote for “Theocrackpots.”

Comment #38: tannenburg  on  02/13  at  05:44 PM

Dear Religious Right: Please do not refer to me as a pro-abortion liberal feminazi any more, it hurts me in my feel-bads and sends the wrong message about my political and moral beliefs

Oh, gods, I’m crying from laughing so hard.

“Hurts me in my feel-bads”.

*wipes tears* That’s golden. Thank you. smile

Comment #39: Essie Elephant  on  02/13  at  06:32 PM

I think that HooksInMyHead wins da funny stream of the internetz today.

Also, if Haggard et al. and Catholic priests are anything to go by, many of the clergy quite enjoy hurting you in your feel-bads by touching you in your feel-goods while you’re still in your schoolie-place.

Comment #40: seeker6079  on  02/13  at  07:27 PM

*deep bow*

The irony of this keeps getting to me. There has always been power in the ability to choose a name for oneself and have that choice be respected and used with it’s intended meaning. It is telling (and typical) that those who are privileged in both power and resources elect to “notice” this only when it has a negative effect on them. I just keep thinking about all the times I have heard people who claim the conservative or right-wing label say “I don’t even know what to call THOSE people anymore.”

Comment #41: HooksInMyHead  on  02/13  at  07:42 PM

“I don’t even know what to call THOSE people anymore.”

It appears that these ones are being called to account.  I’m fine with that.

Comment #42: seeker6079  on  02/13  at  07:50 PM

For some reason this reminds me of van Gogh slicing off his ear to rid himself of the voices in his head. Convoluted reasoning bigtime?

Comment #43: daphne  on  02/13  at  10:24 PM

Best fictional van Gogh convo, from a routine by The Frantics.

“Vincent!  Haven’t seen much of you lately!”
“Louise!  What an unexpected pleasure!  What brings you to a room with no bed in it?”

Comment #44: seeker6079  on  02/13  at  11:20 PM

I TOTALLY botched that.

Not “Vincent”, “Toulouse”; Louise was Vincent’s gf.  Idiot,  idiot, idiot!

Comment #45: seeker6079  on  02/13  at  11:21 PM

I am nominally involved with an anti-cancer campaign.  I hear its name quite a lot and recognize it.  And yet every time I hear it, I flinch just a bit.  Because it has “life” in the name, and something in my brain draws the connection with the antiabortion movement. EVERY. TIME.

There’s a car in my neighborhood with a very liberal bumper sticker right next to an old faded-out sticker I can’t entirely read, but one of the legible words is LIFE.  I’m almost certain it’s another liberal bumper sticker, but I do a double-take every time. My gut reaction is that the two stickers must espouse opposing viewpoints, even though duh, life is just a word, it doesn’t belong to the Right.

This is quite possibly one of the things I hate most about the RR. (aside from their trying to make me into a third-class citizen, of course.) I double-take every time I see a “Donate Life” sticker or pen or button before remembering that it’s from the organ-transplant organization that came to talk to our class last year. I have such bad reactions to words like “life” and “family” now. (I’ve been meaning to post about this - about the co-opting of language. It’s awful, isn’t it?)

Comment #46: Rebecca  on  02/16  at  03:34 PM
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