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Report: Gov. David Paterson to name Congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand to Hil seat

Who did he pick? According to WPIX in New York, it’s…

PIX NEWS is being told that Congresswoman Kirsten Gillibrand is the reported choice of Governor David Paterson to fill the U.S. Senate seat vacated by Hillary Clinton.  Two Congressional sources say members of the New York delegation have been invited to join Governor Paterson for the announcement in Albany at noon tomorrow.
                 
Two members of that delegation, agreeing to speak without attribution, confirmed to reporter Marvin Scott that the Governor has telephoned New York’s Democratic members of Congress for their views after Caroline Kennedy withdrew herself from consideration.  One of the contenders, longterm Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney canceled a scheduled appearance on “PIX News Closeup” tomorrow because of a “conflict,” which she did not disclose. She too will be in Albany. According to the sources, Gillibrand, now in her second congressional term, was favored by Secretary of State Clinton herself. Paterson has been under pressure to select a woman.

Kirsten Gillibrand represents New York’s 20th Congressional district (upstate counties of Saratoga, Dutchess, Columbia, Rensselaer, Washington, Warren, Delaware, Greene, Essex and Otsego). Upstate representation, as well as pressure to name a woman to the seat, were factors discussed in the media.

There is expected to be a webcast of the event, so stay tuned and check the Governor’s web site. If I learn more I’ll post it.

I wondered how Gillibrand is on LGBT issues. Her web site doesn’t say anything about it. She’s pro-gun, pro-family farm and wants health care reform. Looking at this site, it’s a mixed bag. She supported non-inclusive ENDA.

*  Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation. (Nov 2007)
* Re-introduce the Equal Rights Amendment. (Mar 2007)
*  Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Jan 2007)
* Ensure access to and funding for contraception. (Feb 2007)
* She’s a member of the “Blue Dog” Coalition of conservative Democrats. (Nov 2007)

However, if you look at the HRC scorecard, she scored 80 out of 100. And...

According to the Human Rights Campaign, she voted against the repealing of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” legislation, opposed legislation that would grant equal tax treatment for employer-provided health coverage for domestic partners, opposed legislation to grant same-sex partners of U.S. citizens and permanent residents the same immigration benefits of married couples and opposed legislation to permit state Medicaid programs to cover low-income, HIV-positive Americans before they develop AIDS.

Fail. We can’t have an unreliable Dem vote in the U.S. Senate, but that’s what the Empire State has now.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 11:32 PM • (44) Comments

One can only hope this assessment at Daily Kos holds:

“First, Gillibrand’s district leans Republican, and gave Bush 54% of the vote in 2004. It’s quite likely she’ll be a bit more liberal representing the entire state - a similar thing happened to Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, a moderate Democrat in the House who became significantly more liberal in the Senate.

Second, it’s very likely Gillibrand will run the risk of a serious, well-funded primary challenge if she doesn’t position herself with the mainstream of the New York Democratic Party.

She’s worked very hard to become a United States Senator, and has earned the reputation of a coming political star.

If she wants to ensure she keeps it - and keeps her Senate seat - she will need to slide somewhat to the left.”
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/22/192955/106/715/687804

Comment #1: judy brown  on  01/22  at  11:40 PM

She wants to keep DADT? Yikes.  There is no good excuse for that.

Comment #2: Ben  on  01/23  at  12:11 AM

She wants to keep DADT? Yikes.  There is no good excuse for that.


And didn’t Bill Clinton sign that…...and you don’t seem to have a problem with HIM…..ain’t no comments about what an asshole Bill Clinton was.

What a (fuckin’) hypocrite.

Comment #3: denelian  on  01/23  at  12:21 AM

ignore it, folks.

Comment #4: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/23  at  12:29 AM

I’m an upstate resident in a moderate conservative district and I think Judy Brown’s comment is correct.  Our former moderate GOP congressman, Sherwood Boehlert, was basically run out of office by the Club for Growth, which was targeting Republicans they thought were too liberal.  It pushed this district to a Blue Dog Democrat (Michael Arcuri), which might not be ideal but is an improvement.  The CFG targeted another congressman in an adjacent district and they ended up electing a more conservative Republican.  (This is the district in which Randall Terry ran for Congress, getting something like 15% of the vote).

But still, although I’m a big homo I feel pretty strongly that there’s far more to be concerned about than what our new senator has to say about LGBT stuff.  Upstate has been hurting for a very long time, bleeding jobs and farms and young people.  Hillary Clinton got off on the wrong foot but turned things around quickly, becoming a wonderful advocate for upstate, bringing in defense manufacturing jobs and supporting legislation that kept NY families on their farms.  Given the climate up here I think bolstering the economy has to be the first upstate priority for a new senator, and in that context I think Gillibrand is a much better choice than many of the other names that have been tossed around.

Comment #5: Melinda  on  01/23  at  12:43 AM

ignore it, folks.

I’m desperately curious about one thing, though. Why is “fuckin’” in parentheses? Is he supposed to be whispering, reckon?

Comment #6: Matt T.  on  01/23  at  01:18 AM

Why does there always seem to be the assumption of Bill-Clinton love until proven otherwise? And denelian’s not even a flyby troll, unless there’s some impostering happening.

Comment #7: Auguste  on  01/23  at  01:26 AM

Auguste,
It’s easier than thinking.

Comment #8: Matt T.  on  01/23  at  01:41 AM

There is indeed impostering. It thinks it’s clever.

Comment #9: kaninchen  on  01/23  at  01:48 AM

There was a long profile of Gillibrand in the Dartmouth College alumni magazine a few months back.  I don’t remember anything about LGBT issues coming up, but I don’t remember a lot of things.

Comment #10: FlipYrWhig  on  01/23  at  02:17 AM

I don’t think David Paterson likes being governor.

My first reaction was “has McCarthy been convicted of some crime of moral turpitude no one told me about?” She meets the sex requirement and she’s not a DINO like this person.

Comment #11: Hershele Ostropoler  on  01/23  at  02:19 AM

there IS imposteruing happening with my name. please chck UP address someone just showed me a different one on my LJ

Comment #12: denelian  on  01/23  at  03:13 AM

seriously, Auguste, i sent you an email about this person who is impersonating me,

now that i have slept, i am kinda amused that *I* was chosen - i am not the most common poster, it’s kinda weird.

and the only reason i know about is because some kind, anon soul came to my LJ and asked about the shit someone posted under my name about Michelle Obama. *THAT* one still makes me angry.

Comment #13: denelian  on  01/23  at  09:07 AM

that is interesting about her record.  In the 2006 election, MoveOn had us calling into her district to GOTV for Gillibrand.  I can only assume the alternatives from that district are significantly worse.

But Gov. Patterson has the whole state to choose from…If inexperienced Caroline could pretend to that throne, then who could not?

Comment #14: greensmile  on  01/23  at  09:47 AM

This is not a good move, and here is why, from the article: “Her House seat, unfortunately, will be a difficult hold. Presumably Gov. Paterson will shortly schedule a special election, as required by law.”

This is a chance to “double up” on liberal leadership: If Patterson had selected a solid liberal from a solidly liberal House district, then progressive Dems would have a solid vote in the Senate and in the House, when the special election in the liberal House district sends another Progressive to Congress. Meanwhile, this woman who at least gets a B- would still represent a conservative area of NY, which perhaps would be the best to hope for in that region. But now, progressives get an unreliable vote in the Senate and possibly, with this replacement election, a Republican or conservative going to the House.

Comment #15: Luke  on  01/23  at  09:56 AM

If she wants to ensure she keeps it - and keeps her Senate seat - she will need to slide somewhat to the left.”

I’m waited to hear/see that line from the MSM.  I’m so sick of the meme of the centrist nation that is always moving righward, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Comment #16: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/23  at  10:15 AM

there IS imposteruing happening with my name.

Yeah, that was happening to me, too. Turned out to be Amanda Marcotte using my chosen name.

Hey, I figured if she didn’t care about stealing names….why should anyone else?

Comment #17: denelian  on  01/23  at  10:36 AM

The Real Denelian:  You know, I thought something odd was going on.  I was wondering when you lost your mind and became a turd.  Good to know you’re still yourself, if hounded by an inept doppelganger.

Comment #18: speedbudget  on  01/23  at  10:44 AM

Jesus, Paterson has turned out to be a complete and utter DINO tool (and not just on this appointment). Makes me glad I don’t live in New York State anymore.

Comment #19: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  11:00 AM

Makes me glad I don’t live in New York State anymore.

Most everyone who leaves feels that way, particularly about NYC.

Overcrowded
Crime
Overrepresentation of minorities
Terribly expensive
Old infrastructure
Target for Islamic terrorism attacks
Uber Welfare state

The list is endless. New York is highly overrated

Comment #20: greensmile  on  01/23  at  11:11 AM

I didn’t live in NYC, asshole (though I grew up in the suburbs), and NYC is the only part of the state I would WANT to live in. Take your racist crap and shove it up your xenophobic ass.

Comment #21: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  11:16 AM

Also, you’re a fucking moron. Places become crowded and expensive because nobody wants to live there? Flunk logic much?

Comment #22: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  11:20 AM

“Overrepresentation of minorities”? Um… even putting aside the total racism, that just doesn’t make any sense.

Comment #23: felagund  on  01/23  at  11:54 AM

Um, folks, the NYC comment was made by the impostor troll…..

Comment #24: MAJeff, God of Biscuits  on  01/23  at  11:59 AM

Ah, sorry then for the troll-feeding. I haven’t been hanging around here much lately.

Comment #25: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  12:00 PM

Jeebus, this is getting out of hand.  We need a secret handshake or something.

Comment #26: elmo  on  01/23  at  12:07 PM

I don’t understand the “DINO” comments.  If, at core, Gillibrand supports the Democratic Party and the Democratic platform, does she really not qualify as a Democrat because she’s got some differences? 

I feel pretty strongly that one of the things that got the GOP into trouble was their ideological rigidity - the whole “RINO” thing.  As I mentioned above, I’m in a district that’s moderate conservative and that the GOP lost when their own people ran Boehlert out of office because he was too moderate for their tastes.  I tend to think that if enough people agree with Steve, the Democrats are going to be out of power lickety-split.  I’m also concerned that what’s being implied here is that people are willing to chuck upstate concerns out the window because Gillibrand doesn’t fall into line on a couple of issues.  There were a lot of problems with Democratic classism during the elections.  Not Obama (well, a little bit Obama) but from the rank-and-file.  That’s really not good, and I’m a little concerned that it might be playing out here, as well.

Comment #27: Melinda  on  01/23  at  12:43 PM

I tend to think that if enough people agree with Steve, the Democrats are going to be out of power lickety-split.

And I tend to think that, like most wishy-washy centrists, you have no idea what you’re blathering about. What people are looking for now is results. If kowtowing to Republicans and Blue Dogs results in watering down the economic package to the point where it fails to pull the economy out of the dumpster (as is looking increasingly probable), the Dems will be punished. Whereas they would be rewarded for the results of bold and successful action.

Comment #28: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  12:49 PM

Watch her move to the left now that she represents the whole state.

Comment #29: Ben D.  on  01/23  at  12:55 PM

Oh btw, “greensmile”, its expensive and crowded because people want to live there. You know, supply and demand.

Comment #30: Ben D.  on  01/23  at  12:55 PM

Watch her move to the left now that she represents the whole state.

The silver lining is that she’ll need to do that if she wants to have a prayer of surviving a primary.

Comment #31: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  12:58 PM

Steve, I’m not a centrist.  I’m a member of the Working Families Party who quit the Democratic Party in the 1990s because of Clinton and the DLC and registered with WFP last summer because of rampant and really appalling classism among rank-and-file Democrats.  But I’m an upstate resident looking at emptied out industrial cities, people prying up flooring to burn for heat, and farmers who can’t afford the fuel to bring in their crops.  I’ve also seen the results of ideological purges first-hand, and would rather keep around someone I agree with for the most part but disagree with on some stuff than lose to the GOP.  Ideological diversity keeps us all a little more honest.

Show me someone who’s actually progressive and who understands and cares about upstate issues, and I’ll get behind that person.

Comment #32: Melinda  on  01/23  at  01:17 PM

</blockquote>I’ve also seen the results of ideological purges first-hand, and would rather keep around someone I agree with for the most part but disagree with on some stuff than lose to the GOP.</blockquote>Then you should oppose removing Gillibrand from her Congressional district, which will almost certainly now fall back into Republican hands. This was a terrible choice by Paterson in that respect, as well.

Comment #33: Steve LaBonne  on  01/23  at  01:24 PM

Andy over at Towleroad is reporting about a meeting with Empire State Pride Agenda and Gillibrand with regard to her positions on gay issues. They’re coming out of the meeting claiming she now supports marriage equality and a trans-inclusive ENDA, and opposes DOMA and DADT. 

Time will tell.

Comment #34: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  01/23  at  01:57 PM

Looking up already:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/1/23/94932/7072/497/688006

Comment #36: SuperD  on  01/23  at  03:09 PM

Or should I say, it looks like she knows she isn’t just repping a Republican area anymore.

Comment #37: SuperD  on  01/23  at  03:24 PM

So now she supports trans-inclusive ENDA and gay marriage, and President Obama is going to lift DADT. Now is she a good, reliable choice? Our margin in the House is *vast*, and her repping that district these past few yeasr (mine, she’s my Congresswoman) might actually have tilted it to the blue side, like most of the rest of the country. Our margin in the Senate is pretty vast, too (big enough to pass the Lily Ledbetter Act!) and even if she can’t hold the seat herself, someone better will defeat her in a primary and hold the seat next time around. I don’t understand how this isn’t a win. “Fail” is way, way, way overstated, and now, factually incorrect.

Comment #38: serena kitt  on  01/23  at  03:49 PM

Ummmmmm….  Errrrrrr….. Are we honestly talking about the same person.  I quote today’s NYT article.

“Alan Van Capelle, the executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda, a gay rights group, said that he spoke by phone with Representative Gillibrand on Thursday night and that she spoke in favor of same-sex marriage. This would make her the first United States senator from New York to endorse gay marriage; Charles E. Schumer, the state’s senior senator, opposes it.

“She spoke eloquently about the 1,324 rights that are denied to same-sex couples in New York,” Mr. Van Capelle said.

An aide to Ms. Gillibrand confirmed that she supports gay marriage.”

Comment #39: Magis  on  01/23  at  04:05 PM

speedbudget
thanx!

Comment #40: denelian  on  01/23  at  04:09 PM

“Nobody goes to 21 anymore, it’s too crowded.”
  –Yogi Berra

Comment #41: Magis  on  01/23  at  04:12 PM

“Fail” is way, way, way overstated, and now, factually incorrect.

Progressives like to feel betrayed as quickly as possible.  The user base at DailyKos is still gnashing its big orange teeth over Gillibrand.

Comment #42: FlipYrWhig  on  01/23  at  04:52 PM

Now Joe Conason has joined the brigades.  I feel like someone is going HARD after Gillibrand behind the scenes.

Comment #43: FlipYrWhig  on  01/23  at  08:52 PM

Opposing an end to DADT when the President would veto such a proposal was easy to do when the President was Bush and she was respresenting a conservative district.  Sometimes hard choices are made easy.  But now that Obama is going to dismantle DADT anyway, she is politically free to do and say what she wishes.  And as a Senator from a blue state, she can wish what she wants.

New York has had some Republican governors lately, so it’s not hard to see why Paterson chose a more conservative Democrat for a statewide office.  But whether she’s a conservative Democrat or a Democrat who can win the votes of conservative, she’s not a bad choice.  I think she’s a mix of the two, it’s a good thing the Democrats have some figures from more rural areas, and the lack of chatter from the right shows that they are disappointed not to have a Kennedy to kick around and fundraise against.  For a blind man, Paterson has some great vision.

Comment #44: 3letterjon  on  01/24  at  11:19 AM
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