Yeah, who needs the press? Or the black people? Or the brown people? Or anyone at all?

Their martyr complex is showing again.

I love how they keep referring to the original bit “Magical Negro” as being from a liberal LA Times bit without going into what it was about at all.

Rush Limbaugh’s repeated airing of it?  Perfectly acceptable!  It just wasn’t quite appropriate for Chip to use.

Tamron Hall, my former anchorwoman here in Chicago, was awesome cutting the Rethug hack off as she tried to claim that it wasn’t insulting to Barack Obama, but Al Sharpton.  “If anyone ever called me ‘Tamron Hall, the Magic Negro Anchorwoman’, I wouldnt’ be amused.” 

Then even as Republican Hack tried to say the song wasn’t bad it was just a parody, Tamron cut her off and said “I’m stopping this hear as we can all agree that calling anyone a Magic Negro is just a bad idea.”

More GOPers need to be cut off like that.

“I don’t think he intended it as any kind of racial slur. I think he intended it as a humor gift,” Oklahoma GOP Committeewoman Carolyn McClarty added. “I think it was innocently done by Chip.”

May I say, as a native Okie, that she comes from a fine old political tradition.  Back in the 20s they had a governor, a former Grand Dragon of the KKK, who announced at his inauguration that he was not merely the governor of the rich, but would also be the governor for “the niggers, Indians, and poor white trash.”  She has a ways to go, however, before she approaches the standing of the late State Rep. John Monks.

These people are soooo stupid.  With token Hispanic ex- AG Gonzales whining about no one hiring him and this idiotic CD, I don’t see the RNC’s “Minority Outreach” program working so well for them.

I figure they’ll just exhume Jefferson Davis from his grave and run him alongside Joe the Plumber in 2012.

While I totally agree with Tamron Hall, I’m having difficulty wrapping my mind around a person not just knowing that already.  How oblivious are these GOPers?

“Mike Duncan is a nice guy, but he screwed up big time by pandering to the national press on this.”

Clearly, he has hurt his chances with bigots all over the country. Fair minded people, however, may have a different view of him.

“I love how they keep referring to the original bit “Magical Negro” as being from a liberal LA Times bit without going into what it was about at all. “

Of course not that would just show how bigoted they are. If you were to ask these Rush defenders they would think the LA column invented the term which just goes to show they never botered to actually read it.

“that it wasn’t insulting to Barack Obama, but Al Sharpton”

Just goes to show these people don’t know the meaning of the term satire. if it was about Sharpton then there wouldn’t be any need to mention Obama at all or have it be the name of the Song.

Liberals know how to do the Obama isn’t black enough parody see Saturday Night Live when they had Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton explaining Obama on a blackness scale. I think even this site had the youtube link of it.

My personal favorite clueless defenses from GOPers:

  “Look, the CD has songs that are bigoted against lots of other groups, too, so it’s not racist!”

and:

  “It’s supposed to be funny, so it can’t be a racial slur!”

Actually, I’m pretty pleased that they’re not getting away with “It’s a joke! Don’t you have a sense of humor?” this time. There have been so many awful incidents, often from Rush and Coulter, that they got out of with that one. I’m mystified that so many in the media are easily bamboozled that way, and apparently have never heard of the concept of “ethnic jokes” that are nonetheless offensive, not to mention that most of these supposed “jokes” have no punchline. The only way they approach being “humor” is in the bullying sense of “I said something mean about someone my friends hate, and we all laughed.”

I’m pleased that the next RNC chair will either be an open racist or someone half the base will resent because an open racist was defeated, but I hope we can build on this to smack down this particular kind of conservative weaseling, too.

What kills me is that this guy and his supporters are claiming to be the victims here. The big bad librul hypersensitive politically correct media is persecuting them.

To quote Philip Roth:

Really, can they be this blind? Can people be so abysmally stupid and live? Do you believe it? Can they actually be equipped with all the machinery, a brain, a spinal cord, and the four apertures for the ears and eyes—equipment…nearly as impressive as color TV—and still go through life without a single clue about the feelings and yearnings of anyone other than themselves?

If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here?

Sis:

Oh my, now you’ve done it! They’re gonna git you now!

“that it wasn’t insulting to Barack Obama, but Al Sharpton”

That’s actually somewhat true.  And I don’t particularly like Al Sharpton.  But I don’t see how making racist remarks becomes okay simply because they’re about Al Sharpton rather than Barak Obama.

Wow. What a way to kick off your term in office! High-fives all around.

As I said, there is a fine old political tradition in my home state.  In their defense, I should point out that they are equal opportunity haters.  They hate blacks, Indians, Mexicans, Middle Easterners, Asians, Jews, Muslims, Catholics, LGBT, women, progressives, and just about anybody else who is not a white, male, conservative fundamentalist.  There are reasons I left almost 21 years ago and only go back for occasional short visits to my family.

If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here?

Well, you won’t find anyone calling Gov. Palin that around here, other than yourself.  And hanging Palin in effigy wasn’t more than mildly offensive, because there is no history of white Republican women being lynched in this country—hanging Barack Obama in effigy is a different matter.

If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here?

I missed the part where Howard Dean thought it was so funny that he included the picture on the Christmas cards he sent out to all of his Democratic contacts this year.  Can you please link to the story where he did that?

If there were a possible head of the DNC who carried out what you described Sis, you might have a point.

It didn’t come from Chris or from Rush.  Shanklin made a parody out of *leftist* columnist David Ehrenstein’s article “Obama the Magic Negro” because it was begging to be made.  http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-ehrenstein19mar19,0,5335087.story?coll=la-opinion-center

Give credit where it’s due, huh?  (And yes, I know what the article means; it was still ideal parody fodder.)  Calling it bigotry is pretty stupid.  Willfully, even.

And come on, the dustbin of history?  The Dim party is just going to rule forever?  It doesn’t work that way.  In 4 or 8 (if he does something great, possibly even 12) years, you’ll get a Republican again.  That is just the reality, how it works.  Declaring the other party to be in history’s dustbin after 8 years in office before the other party is even in office?  Very silly.  But I’ll squirrel that one away to laugh about when the next, inevitable, administration change comes.

It’s not the death of conservatism, of course, and probably not even the death of something calling itself the Republican Party.  But the success of using racism as an unofficial party plank is waning, and contemporary conservatives who want popular support are going to have to find a different message.

“ecause there is no history of white Republican women being lynched in this country—hanging Barack Obama in effigy is a different matter. “

True, but there is quite a long history of hanging or burning women at the stake.  Which is exactly what an effigy would be echoing.  It was much, much more than “mildly offensive”.

But the success of using racism as an unofficial party plank is waning, and contemporary conservatives who want popular support are going to have to find a different message.

there’s always queer-bashing.

“that it wasn’t insulting to Barack Obama, but Al Sharpton”

That’s actually somewhat true.

I can’t believe I’m actually paraphrasing Tamron Hall, but the title of the song is “Barack the Magic Negro”.

“If someone called me Tamron Hall, the Magic Negro Anchorwoman, I wouldn’t be amused.”

Anniee, try reading the “leftist” column to understand that “Magic Negro” was not meant as a positive, even there.  It wasn’t invented by Ehrenstein, but even if it had been, that doesn’t change the completely racist nature of Shanklin’s work.

It’s not a parody.  It’s racist shit masquerading as parody.  But keep defending it!

I’m all for sunshine and being proud of your bigotry.  Don’t hide it in a closet!  Be out and proud.

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As for Democrats being in power forever, no one’s saying that.  We’re just saying that the current incarnation of the GOP is killing itself.  Racists aren’t coming back to power, ever, not on a national scale.  The country is already too brown for that—and at least half the white people like the brownish people.

Fiscal “conservatives” and Randbots may again rise to power.  Social conservitives and theocrats will try.  But they’re about to kick each other out of the “Republican” tent.

Something new will take the place of the opposition.  Pure racism’s time of national power has come and gone.

(And yes, I know what the article means; it was still ideal parody fodder.) Calling it bigotry is pretty stupid.

Really?  Turning David Ehrenstein’s complaint about white liberals into a rant by Al Sharpton is bigotry-free?

Wasn’t Oklahoma the only state Obama didn’t win even a single county in?

<i>“I don’t think he intended it as any kind of racial slur. I think he intended it as a humor gift,” Oklahoma GOP Committeewoman Carolyn McClarty added. “I think it was innocently done by Chip.” <>

which might arguably be a defense for “Chip” (that is not a name unless you’re an animated chipmunk with a brother named Dale) not being a racist. That does not mean that the song, and the premise within it is not racist.

“it’s just a joke” does not defend a racist joke against charges of racism any more than “it’s just a minicooper” is a defense again the accusation of owning a yellow minicooper

Why mmemmmeoommmom! How nice to see you here. How about Favreau’s misogynistic sexual assault on Hillary Clinton posted to his Facebook because he was so proud of himself. D’ya think Dean was able to send out enough Xmas cards to equal the hits that hypocrisy garnered Gropey Hopey and Changey?

do you people understand what a parody is? It was your own liberal LA-times that called Obama the Magic Negro.

“If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here? “

why?  because Palin is pro-life and didn’t abort her downs syndrome baby.

I guess I can try to go over this slowly:

Ehrenstein called him “the Magic Negro” because “the Magic Negro” is a trope from literature and movies where a deus ex machina black man saves the day by sacrificing himself for the good of the white main characters.  He disagrees with the characterization and the idea that electing Obama would be the end of racism.

“Barack the Magic Negro” is a song about how Al Sharpton is presumably upset that Barack Obama was elected because it’s the end of racism, and thus his money train.  This is the exact opposite of what Ehrenstein argued.

The only similarity between the song and the column is that they both have “Magic Negro” in the title.

(derp, got cut off)

Saying that it’s okay and not offensive because Ehrenstein said it first is like saying that calling someone “nigger” is okay because Yoko Ono used it in a song title, too, and she’s totally a leftist so eat it, libs.  It’s a total non sequitur.

Actually, James, we were very happy that Palin could make the choice to keep her child, instead of living in a country like Ceauşescu’s Romania, where abortion was illegal and what a mother did with her body was the business of the state, such as you believe should be done here in the “Land of the Free”.

Puritanism:  The haunting fear that somewhere, someone is enjoying themselves

H L Mencken

do you people understand what a parody is? It was your own liberal LA-times that called Obama the Magic Negro.

“If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here? “

why?  because Palin is pro-life and didn’t abort her downs syndrome baby.

Non-Sequiturs R US

It was your own liberal LA-times that called Obama the Magic Negro.

No.  The article did not call Obama the Magic Negro.  Ehrenstein said Obama was NOT a Magic Negro and was taking white liberals to task for treating him like one.  Barack Obama is a human being.  The fact that he’s a bit brownish is irrelevant.

“The Magic Negro” is a literary trope.  Ehrenstein did not invent the phrase, nor did he use it to mock Obama.  Reading the article would clear this up.  Claiming “It was in your leftist paper first!  Nyah Nyah!” without understanding the context just shows you to be an idiot.

“Obama the Magic Negro” is a racist song purporting to be humor, that mocks both Obama and Sharpton.  The people who find it funny attempt to defend themselves from being called racist by calling it a “joke” which has no effect on the racist quality thereof.

“If Palin the Cunt, being hung in effigy, wasn’t offensive to you, why so sensitive here? “

why?  because Palin is pro-life and didn’t abort her downs syndrome baby.

First off, as much as we like cursing around here, c*nt is pretty much a no-go.  It’s use is nearly always misogynistic and the efforts to “reclaim” generally come from the men who want to use it in the first place.

Secondly, I have yet to see any feminist be pissed off that Palin didn’t have an abortion.  Her womb, her life, her choice.  She should be grateful she had a choice, b/c her political allies wouldn’t allow one at all:

Which leads me to my personally belief that she tried to have an abortion without having an abortion.  If she truly had amniotic fluid leaking, she had no business doing anything other than going to the hospital to be checked out.  No competent OB would ever OK her plans for air flight over the phone without any verification of heartrate and amniotic fluid level. 

She knew Trig had Down Syndrome, and one of the possible symptoms is breathing difficulties.  Plus heart difficulties.  My brother was lucky and only has some surface physical features and mental retardation.  He’s otherwise healthy as a horse.  Many others are less retarded, but suffer from heart, esophagal, and gastral-intestinal problems, some that require surgery.  Trig was early, and had he required neonatal care, he would have been shit out of luck on an airplane flying over the middle of nowhere Canada.

Palin had no business travelling that late in a pregnancy.  She had no business getting on a multi-hour plane flight while leaking amniotic fluid.  She had no business once arriving safely in AK, for then leaving Anchorage for bum-fuck AK.  No business at all, unless she was hoping that Trig would have those problems and would therefore “miscarry” or be “still born”.

That’s totally fucked up.  It’s one thing to decide you don’t want to provide life support for another human.  It’s another to risk yourself and the child hoping for an “Irish abortion”.  Cause if Trig just “accidentally” died, she could still be a martyr for the fundies who think feminists are baby-killers, while not being troubled with having to care for a disabled child.

Yes, I hate her.  I hate her for charging victims for evidence collection.  I hate her for needlessly risking her child’s life.  Even so, I’d never call her a c*nt or burn her in effigy.

I just want the sun to shine brightly on her, her wacky church and snake taming preacher, and every single political act she does. 

/Palin threadjack

Anniee should have a chat with John Major, Kim Campbell, or the ghost of Herbert Hoover, but its OK if she doesn’t.  I’d rather have the James and Sis’s of the world drive the GOP right into a ditch rather than having the moderate elements of their party give them another lifeline.

“Anniee, try reading the “leftist” column to understand that “Magic Negro” was not meant as a positive, even there.  It wasn’t invented by Ehrenstein”

Yes, as I said, I know what the original piece means.  I do possess the English language, an IQ, a search engine, and some basic intelligence.  In a bizarre twist, the parody-maker knows what it means too. 

“but even if it had been, that doesn’t change the completely racist nature of Shanklin’s work.”

LOL   Yeah, ok.  Considering the bigotry I see here on a daily basis (some disguised as humor - like “abortion parties”) I’m not impressed, but even if I were, that doesn’t make Shanklin or Rush Limbaugh or Chris what-the-hell-ever a racist.  But by all means keep up the McArthyite methods on stamping out all the closet “racists.”  (Don’t even answer; I can write leftist answers in my sleep.  Zzzzz)

Wasn’t Oklahoma the only state Obama didn’t win even a single county in?

Why yes it was, Ben.  Nice of you to ask.  As I said above, a fine old tradition of equal opportunity hating.  Much like some of the trolls in this thread, I might add.  I do not miss it at all.

Moar ov thiz plz!

Seriously, if the RNC wants to spend its political capital defending racism Helen Keller couldn’t miss, I say let them go for it.  Next time they want to talk about Obama’s reverse-racist fiscal stimulus package or how Joe Biden hates women in an argument to dissolve AmTrak, they’ll look even more foolish and unserious than usual.

If the GOP wants to flush any hope of future black support down the drain for yet another generation in a bout of bigoted Turrets Syndrome, I say let’m go for it.

(Don’t even answer; I can write leftist answers in my sleep.  Zzzzz)

Hahaha.  So awesome.  She shows up on a message board, types out a rather dizzying deluded response, then bolts for the door yelling “lalala!  Leftists!”

Poor Anniee probably doesn’t get out much.  At the end of the day, you’re really just wasting bandwidth if you want to fiat yourself as “not racist” on principle and blow off any response because you’ve heard it all before.

You really haven’t won anyone over to your side here, Anniee.  If anything, you’ve just reaffirmed all the negative stereotypes that wingnut keyboard commandos have built up over the years.

Annielie,
I’m confused,what “bigotry” is implied in the random right wing phrase “abortion parties?” As I understand it, its a right wing accusation that all feminists and liberal men seek abortions dogmatically, as part of their identity. Its a stupid accusation, but its not made by anyone here. Sometimes people here allude to the stupidity and absurdity of this notion, as a joke. But where’s the bigotry?

aimai

My understanding of “magic negro” is that it’s calling ya all racists. You’re using Obama to assuage your race guilt.

I recognize it. We have your kind up here too don’t we Dave?

Caren I hate you for not getting what Palin actually did and said, but be content to swallow spin for fact.

Doug, so sorry I took you for a Dave.

“If the GOP wants to flush any hope of future black support down the drain for yet another generation in a bout of bigoted Turrets Syndrome, I say let’m go for it.”

Kinda funny considering the left’s reaction to Clarence Thomas, Condi Rice, et. al.  If criticizing a black person = racism, the left would be positive KKK members based on their reactions to them, Ward Connerly, etc.  Except some people prefer to criticize ideas.  Such as Ehren-whatsis’ “Magic Negro” hilarity.  It was funny, people laughed.  Pretty much end of story.  Some people think - and I know this is insane! - that the bigotry consisted of not thinking of black people who had achieved great things (such as being a Supreme Court Justice) as great, but as being there as a result of some Uncle Tom patronism, that is really racist.  But hey, I’ve only been doing this 30 years or so, please continue with your college analyses lol.

Is sis a parody or is she a sensible person (i.e. antifeminist misogy-raci-troll)?

Anniee, if you are incapable of understanding how making fun of someone as a “magic negro” and actually calling them that (as opposed to the context of the LA Times article), is not, in fact, legitimate criticism, there really is no helping you.

Not that I thought there was anyway.

Yes, as I said, I know what the original piece means.  I do possess the English language, an IQ, a search engine, and some basic intelligence.

Really? I don’t see any supporting evidence…

Come on, gwangung, clearly she possesses *the capability to use* the English language with a limited amount of success (since you cannot, in fact, own a language), an IQ (she didn’t say what it was), a computer with internet access, which would give her access to a search engine (although I have my doubts as to her actual possession of one as opposed to ability to access one), and perhaps some small amount of intelligence.

(Don’t even answer; I can write leftist answers in my sleep.  Zzzzz)

Can’t spell for shit, though.  Maybe you should wake up.

Sis,

What did Palin do?  She claims that she flew while in her 8th month.  Stupid and risky, even more so for an older mother in her 5th pregnancy.

She claims that she started leaking amniotic fluid—from her 5th pregnancy, which not only was high risk due to her age but due to the known fact that she was carrying a child with Down Syndrome—and did nothing.

Oh, she called her doctor in AK.  Who has given confusing remarks after the fact about what she knew and what she advised, since only complete incompetence would lead an OB to tell a woman with a late-term, high-risk pregnancy to ignore leaking amniotic fluid and go ahead and get on an 8 hour flight home.

But maybe she had a completely incompetent OB.  And she herself was remarkably stupid and did no research whatsoever on the risks associated with Down Syndrome, though apparently that’s why she wanted to find out, to be prepared. 

I find it hard to forgive such negligence as plain ol’ stupid folks not knowing better.  I find it criminal and hateful.

As for buying the spin…the spin is that Sarah was never pregnant with Trig, and that the reason she claimed to be leaking fluid and flew home anyway was to get to AK in order to be at the hospital where Bristol actually gave birth to Trig.  That’s a little hard to take, since that requires conspiracy of multiple people, as opposed to just one evil woman willingly risking the child she’s carrying.

If you don’t want to carry the baby, don’t.  If you do, do it right.  Don’t fuck around risking a faux miscarriage to assuage your guilt.

Own it.

Oh, and you didn’t touch the rape kit charges, did you?  Really, really hard to find anyway to justify that.  No amount of spin makes that look purty.

SPELLING ERRORZ?  PWOINT THM OUT PLZ!  That was the dumbst thng I eva saw.

Why mmemmmeoommmom! How nice to see you here.

Yes, so shocking to see me on a website that I’ve been commenting on for 5 years.  Have you figured out how to find evidence that supports your points yet?

How about Favreau’s misogynistic sexual assault on Hillary Clinton posted to his Facebook because he was so proud of himself. D’ya think Dean was able to send out enough Xmas cards to equal the hits that hypocrisy garnered Gropey Hopey and Changey?

Ah, no, I see you haven’t.  Because, again, an elected official running for higher office within his party sending a racist CD out to the people whose votes he wants is slightly different than a drunk speechwriter groping a cardboard cutout and then posting it on Facebook.

I realize that you’ll never understand the difference between an elected official, a private citizen, and a staff member, but you already thought that an MD and a PhD were the same thing, so I’m not expecting a whole lot.

Amanda Marcotte: I know I’ve been toying around a bit, and I’m not trying to cause a huge disturbance in the force; I believe in letting sleeping dogs lie.  But I’d like to, with ALL due respect, ask you something.  Seriously.    See, I’m 100% in favor of women controlling their reproduction capacities - that includes birth control, “morning after pills” (birth control) and abortion.  I would never seek to outlaw or limit any of these.  However, I have seen countless feminists just in the past few days who *absolutely would* seek to control women’s and everyone’s choices with regards to abortion by not just “licensing” parents (bad enough) but by imposing birth quotas and imposing population reducing measures by force.  Tell me, because it actually matters to me (though it may not to you) - do you support such things, OR do you support, as you claim, women having FULL control over their reproductive systems?

I would support FULL control over the reproductive system and I’m curious whether intermediary population control measures (which of necessity involve controlling women’s reproductive systems) would also receive your support.

Should you be truly in favor of reproductive control for women, I will actually get the fuck out and just go my own way.

“but as being there as a result of some Uncle Tom patronism”

Thing is dear Old Clarence Thomas thinks that he got the job because that he was considered an Uncle Tom by the Republicans. He didn’t care for the job and didn’t show up at his own confirmation hearings. You know most people if they were in line for a job and could get in to see the process of them being discussed for hiring would die to get in to see what was being said about them either negatively or positively.

SPELLING ERRORZ?  PWOINT THM OUT PLZ!  That was the dumbst thng I eva saw.

Hmmm. Wonder if Anniee is actually the same one we’ve known as ‘James’. In any case, this one did not grow tiresome, so much as start out that way.

As I said Caren, spin. Pretty much everything you’ve said, except the really embarrassing (for you) part about Bristol having a baby on April 18, and then another on Dec 28.

Breaking one’s water is not a big deal. I have had my water break and two days later, flew about the same distance to get to the hospital. Oh but oops. Didn’t make it and the kid was born in the Norwest Passage on a Russian frieighter that we landed next to. 

Yes. There are people in this world who don’t live like you do.

There is no justification to the Clinton/Palin misogyny the left has been spewing out over the past year. None. But it has been gratifying to watch ya’ll make haters of yourselves, indelibly and archived by Google.

And the Obama story is making fun, not of Obama, but of you, racist lefties who use people of colour to assuage your guilt.

You’re the worst kind of racist. Puerile. I’d much rather deal with a flat out card-carrying KKK than you.  At least with them, I’d know where I stood.

Don’t worry, atheist, I’m not “james” whoever that is.  Believe me, I really don’t care.  But I DO actually care, to a certain extent, about the question I just asked.  And if Mandy would care to answer I’d really appreciate it.  If not, hey?  Wouldn’t be any different from NOW.

Also, Sis?  If you found your way here from the Rottweiler?  Awesome.  In the sense that Pauly Shore said “family” in “Encino Man.”  Glad to see you in that case.

Then why didn’t you either email Amanda personally or actually post that on a post she made?  It’s not like you’re trying very hard.

INTPagan stfu; I’m talking to Amanda - actually; I won’t answer anyone else in the meantime.  That is pretty much it.

Oh, shit, she told me to shut up!  I had better do it; I think she’s serious!

I’m just saying, there are better ways to go about this point, but, then, it’s not like you’re exactly intelligent enough to figure them out.

“Hey!  She posts to this site, so I’ll just post on a random post by someone else about a topic that has nothing to do with the post and she just HAS to answer me!”

Wow.

Ok, so supplant your name here Pagan (for Amanda’s) : Amanda Marcotte: I know I’ve been toying around a bit, and I’m not trying to cause a huge disturbance in the force; I believe in letting sleeping dogs lie.  But I’d like to, with ALL due respect, ask you something.  Seriously.  See, I’m 100% in favor of women controlling their reproduction capacities - that includes birth control, “morning after pills” (birth control) and abortion.  I would never seek to outlaw or limit any of these.  However, I have seen countless feminists just in the past few days who *absolutely would* seek to control women’s and everyone’s choices with regards to abortion by not just “licensing” parents (bad enough) but by imposing birth quotas and imposing population reducing measures by force.  Tell me, because it actually matters to me (though it may not to you) - do you support such things, OR do you support, as you claim, women having FULL control over their reproductive systems?

I would support FULL control over the reproductive system and I’m curious whether intermediary population control measures (which of necessity involve controlling women’s reproductive systems) would also receive your support.

Should you be truly in favor of reproductive control for women, I will actually get the fuck out and just go my own way. “

I’d really be curious, Pagan.

Pam, apparently you’re not only a target of the anti-gay right, but of the anti-racist right!

Uh - “she posts to this site” - Amanda IS this site LMFAO.  You think anyone comes here because they follow anyone else?  :D   Good thinking.  I actually WANT the answer to that question and I’m talking as someone who she would allegedly CARE about answering (i.e. someone who might just be involved with the “just say no” movement) so how about it?

However, I have seen countless feminists just in the past few days who *absolutely would* seek to control women’s and everyone’s choices with regards to abortion by not just “licensing” parents (bad enough) but by imposing birth quotas and imposing population reducing measures by force.

You know, that’s interesting.. I heard that all internet trolls are actually part of </b>Ye Secret and Hermetick Order of Trollerie</b>, and ancient group which started out in Corsica. The Order has been given a mandate by the UN to go on political blogs and write the stupidest, most childish things they can come up with. I also heard that to get into the Order, you have to light a bag of dog poop on the doorway of your alderman or state senator, and you can’t run away until and unless he/she actually steps in it.

I think it’s true!

Anniee,
wouldn’t make sense to at least drop this request (demand, really) in a something Amanda actually posted!? instead of one of Pam’s posts?

btw, the “Mandy” reference seems really familiar, doesn’t it folks?

I am not Pagan.  I am INTPagan.  It’s an entire screen name, Ann, darling.

I know you think you’re being clever, but I am absolutely in favor for 100% reproductive control for women, period.  The government has no place involving themselves with what people do with their own bodies, and if that means they want twenty kids, it’s their body.

And the fact that you’re not sure about the answer to that tells me how much of a moron you are.

Oh, and by the by?  What you just did constitutes a response.

Uh - “she posts to this site” - Amanda IS this site LMFAO.

Like, in a corporeal sense?  This could end up being a messy conversation.

You think anyone comes here because they follow anyone else?

Apparently, or do you think that all the commenters on this post think it was by Amanda and that she misspelled her name?  And wow, Amanda is faking being a GUY for the threads on the marital rape apologist!

Also, I’ve never noted that Amanda has a particular degree of interest in narcissistic, self-aggrandizing trolls with an overinflated sense of their own importance.

I’m pretty sure Anniee is banking on her question not being noticed by Amanda for a few more hours (or ideally, ever) so she can pretend to be ignored and declare the whole thing evidence that “the left” is actually against reproductive freedom. Not responding quickly enough to a comment in a thread you didn’t participate in is admission by silence, after all.

No, dude, MikeEss, Amanda’s just so stupid that she doesn’t know her own name and she keeps on spelling it wrong every few posts.

Or she has DID or something.  I don’t know; you never know what to expect from those wily liberals.

Well, I mean, I’m from North Texas and, according to a conservative troll on one of my INTP mailing lists, I am the same person as five other people on the list.  So maybe it’s a batshit crazy troll thing to think that anyone you dislike and cannot see is faking being a ton of other people.

Or maybe I really AM Danielle/Nunsigur/Gene/Paul/Jason/Me.  The world may never know…

This thread is a riot.

Tho’ I feel a twinge when INTPagan talks about wanting the entire screen-name.  Shah8 is mine.  Not Shah, or Sha8, or whatever.  It is not based on a last name as that I’m not South Asian.  I don’t normally get upset or anything, but I sorta believe that it’s always important to get names right, even internet ones.

Brian’s First Law of Mandys: Never, ever, ever call an Amanda “Mandy” unless she explicitly introduces herself to you with that name. They may as well for all intents and purposes not even be the same name.

Anniee, you’re either a sock or an idiot. It’s not that hard to figure out what most feminists feel about a woman’s control over her reproductive system, and yet conservatives continue to try to demonize them by making shit up.

You think Anniee is a PUMA?!

Are they giving away stupid pills again?

The originator of the “Magical Negro” BTW,  was not only liberal, but black too.

Ripley

Conservatives don’t need to make shit up about liberals,  they are practically self parodies of hypocrisy, racism, corruption, and fascism.

There are no Republican Klansman in the Senate,  but You have Robert Byrd.

The thing speaks for itself

Ripley

Let me help you with your formulation, Mr Ripley:

There are no former Republican Klansmen in the Senate

Also, Byrd(who you seem to be referring to) has apologized for his activities, while folks like Trent Lott and Haley Barbour associate with the Council of Conservative Citizens:

What follows is a chronology of events and reporting of a peculiar scandal surrounding Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott and Georgia Congressman Robert “Bob” Barr over the nature and extent of connections they may have had with a racist group known as the Council of Conservative Citizens. <u>This group, sporting about 15,000 members, mostly in the South, is essentially a descendant of the white Citizens’ Councils that formerly opposed integration in the South. Headed by Gordon Lee Baum, a St. Louis lawyer, its issues involve the protection of “European-American” heritage against the hordes of minorities</u>.

You think Anniee is a PUMA?!

We just think “Anniee” is a dipstick.

I don’t think “annie” realizes how much of an idiot she is being.  My guess is not a PUMA, but a teenager who just discovered the internet.

To address any of her “points”: I don’t know these supposed “feminists” that thought that calling Palin/Clinton/Rice anyone a “cunt” was okay.  In fact, I remember quite a few posts at the height that were condemning faux-gressives who did.  I don’t remember anyone saying Palin shouldn’t have had her child- the closest was it was irresponsible for her to be flying when the pregnancy was going to be a difficult one.  And finally, I have never EVER heard of these supposed feminists that have wanted to do anything to limit reproductive rights and bodily autonomy: no forced sterilization, no mandatory limits, none of this bullshit she’s babbling about (but didn’t link to). 

But here we are; off of “Magical Negro” and why it is absolutely racist in this context.  But, then again, when did we ever expect the Republicans to display the least bit of racial sensitivity or knowledge of context?  Seriously, the only people worse at context are the glibertarians.

Conservatives don’t need to make shit up about liberals, they are practically self parodies of hypocrisy, racism, corruption, and fascism.
There are no Republican Klansman in the Senate, but You have Robert Byrd.
The thing speaks for itself

And once a person makes a mistake, he or she can never change and are thus that one thing forever more. Essentialist to the core.

Idiot.

Use that gray matter for something other than keeping your baseball cap the right shape.

Have we seen the headline “REPUBLICANS IN DISARRAY!!!” yet?

No?

Why not?

Oh, I forgot. Only Democrats are in disarray, ever.

Amanda IS this site LMFAO.  You think anyone comes here because they follow anyone else?

Yes, that is true, as others have already pointed out.

I won’t answer anyone else in the meantime.

Good.

Ho hum.

You can assert that Byrd is no longer a racist.
But He was recruiting Klan members at a time when the Klan was seriously in the business of terrorism,  and murder.

If there is anything comparable in Lott’s history you can trot it out.  (as if I care)

The Democrat party was the party of segregation, and racial inequity 60 years ago,  and by amplifying the welfare state and affirmitive action,  it uses phony compassion for race pandering.

The problems of the inner cities (that means black and non-white)  the problems of poverty (ditto) the problems of crime ( again) have all been exacerbated by the liberal “solutions” of throwing money at them.   

We’ve spent something like a TRILLION and a half $ dince Johnson’s great society push,  and yet the black community is even more afflicted with poverty crime and resentment than in 1965.

Every day I hear liberals screaming at me that I’m a racist,  that I’m mean and evil,  and the only solution to the problem du jour is to tax me more,  and give my money to someone else.

I don’t like it when it’s my worthless brother-in-law who drinks his SSI check,  I don’t like it when it’s union lamos who make crap in detroit, and I don’t like it when it winds up in the hands of Muslim cretins who think that forcing their girlfriends to strap on explosives is legitimate political protest.

There comes a point where you can’t abuse white people into submission by race-baiting anymore.
I’m 50,  and I’m not as cowed as know-nothings fresh from University indoctrination.

You have your magical beige non-citizen third generation marxist President now.  Good luck with that.    Liberals will own the consequences,  even though you will try to blame Bush throughout the next administration.  You people have blamed Bush for both cloudy,  AND sunny days!

feh

“Here, friends, is why the GOP is going to end up in the dust bin of history. “

I would agree, if only so damn many Americans weren’t so stupid and bigoted that stuff like this “song” appeals to them.

I would agree, if only so damn many Americans weren’t so stupid and bigoted that stuff like this “song” appeals to them.

See the comment directly above Notorious P.A.T.‘s

Yeah… MISTER Ripley….
That’s me

Ripley
Armed and dangerous Lesbian

Ripley;

My heart bleeds for you. It must be so tough to be white, male, and 50 years old and have to be accused of racism and then be forced (FORCED, I tell you) 3% more of your income for taxes.

I’m sure that the Republican solution of “throw them all in jail” work so much better than the Democratic solution of “underfund the welfare program” to eliminate poverty. 

And I’m sure that violent crime in the US has gone up since 1965 (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm).  (I know this will be difficult for you, but I need you to take the population and divide it by crime, the percentage goes down.  Focus, in particular, the crime rate from 1994-2000, as I find that particularly instructive).

If I could mine the stupid here, and sell it for fifteen cents a ton, 
I’d be a rich woman.

Ripley
Not a man,  but I love tang

There comes a point where you can’t abuse white people into submission by race-baiting anymore.
I’m 50, and I’m not as cowed as know-nothings fresh from University indoctrination.

For so long, white people were cowed, afraid, abused into submission by know-nothing race-baiters fresh from the University. They hung in the hallway, too afraid to speak up, too afraid to creep into the doorway, much less go into the dining room and tell that damn black guy he was in their seat.

But now, a new day is dawning! Whites are tired of being the negroes of America! They will no longer keep their heads down, no longer be quiet! They have seen the light, and once you see that, no-one, not even a recent college grad, can keep you down and out! Step into the light, Ripley… it’s a brand new day!

If anyone thinks “magic negro” has no offensive component at all, go find some black people and call them “negro” or “magic negro”.  if you want, preface that by saying you are merely quoting Rush Limbaugh.  let us know how that goes.

Oh yes,  my “good buddy” Bush.

Can’t have a discussion with lib-tards without them assuming that I’m Male, Republican,  and think Bush is just the best thing EVAH!

Bush is a conservative like McCain is.
Like Obama is a moderate,  and supports gun rights.

Like the Palestinians aren’t anti-jewish.

I’m not going to get into the details of what I like or dislike about Bush or Republicans,  I’m sure it would make no impact on the mind afflicted by end stage syphilis. 

Saddam,  and his state machinery of oppression, torture, and rape was destroyed….  I’m not sorry about that.

Since 9-11 a plurality of major attacks on the territory of the United States have been successfully thwarted.  I’m pretty keen on not having been blown up, shot at a shopping mall,  or caught weaponized smallpox.  I guess I’m a sucker for that kind of thing.

I’d really like it if we used Iraq’s oil to pay for the occupation and development of Iraq,  but as I recall it was Democrats who prevented THAT.

The Bailout of the banks was pushed by Democrats and “republicans”  but to call it a “conservative” push you must be drinking Jimson weed tea.

Good lord, Republicans are stupid.

Dear Republicans: This “Magic Negro” stuff is guaranteed electoral gold for you. Run with it as hard as you can. Hell, go all out—drop the big “N-Word.” Do it a lot. Do it constantly. If it worked for David Duke, you can be sure it’ll work for you. You are absolutely guaranteed to win every election from now on. Come on, what are ya, chicken?

Apparently, there is a monolithic black population mired in poverty.

Actually what has happened is multi-dimensional (that’s one of those big words from one of these silly college people—you know, someone who actually teaches Race in a college setting).

First, there has actually been an increase in the size of the black middle class since the 1960s and the Great Society.  However, because members of that middle class are dealing with lower levels of wealth than their white counterparts, they tend to be hit harder in periods of economic downturn, as they don’t have the same levels of accumulated resources, like inheritance, to draw upon.  Those downturns have been particularly hard on members of the industrial working/middle class, as the American industrial sector has been decimated and replaced by either higher income financial service and professional careers, and lower income, low-skill service positions like customer service.  So, there is a larger black middle class than has ever existed before.  However, that middle class is living with lower levels of wealth and living closer “to the edge” than whites of similar income status.

The decimation of the industrial working/middle class is related to a decline in real wages that occurred throughout the 1970s and 1980s.  While family incomes may have increased somewhat, that is because more and more women were entering the workforce. Individual wages, on the whole, declined.  There was some reversal of that in the 1990s, but the 2000s have seen a return to those declining wages.  As a part of that, household debts have increased dramatically, and that is particularly troublesome for those with lesser wealth (see points above).

Now, to the issues of the inner city.  One of the things that must be kept in mind is the loss of industrial manufacturing jobs mentioned above.  There are fewer employment opportunities than existed at the time immediately after the Great Society programs were put into place. Additionally, white flight took many people, and their wealth and income out of these locations.  Also, there has been some “black flight” from some of these areas.  One of the effects of racial segregation was that African Americans tended to live in more class-integrated neighborhoods.  As the growth black middle class increased, many people left the poorer neighborhoods for more middle-class neighborhoods. The decline of legally enforced racial segregation has been accompanied by class-based segregration among African Americans.  In other words, the neighborhoods in which black poverty is concentrated tend to be neighborhoods in which extreme levels of poverty are concentrated.  And, the neighborhoods in which extreme poverty is concentrated tend to be those neighborhoods that are more violent. 

Also, because of the idiotic way we Americans finance our educational system—property taxes, by and large—those areas with greater wealth tend to be those areas that provide better financing and better education.  However, more and more African Americans (esp. women) are gaining access to higher education and the middle class. Economic downturns, and the move toward a debt-based financing system, do have a tendency, though, to make such education harder to obtain for those with fewer resources to begin with.

Great Society programs have been very effective in lifting a hell of a lot of people out of poverty. As have New Deal programs like Social Security and Medicare.  However, those neighborhoods in which extreme poverty is concentrated also tend to be those neighborhoods in which there are fewer job opportunities.  They also tend to be areas with negative wealth, and piss poor educational systems. They also tend to be areas in which the police and “criminal justice” systems are about controlling the population—even the majority of the population that is not criminal—rather than protecting it.

In other words, the situation is far more complex than the trolls make it out to be, and Ripley doesn’t know what the hell she’s talking about.

But what the hell do I know? It’s just my job to study this shit.  Better I listen to Rush Limbaugh, I guess.

“Saddam, and his state machinery of oppression, torture, and rape was destroyed….  I’m not sorry about that. “

Well, it’s not like there were any negative side-effects to that destruction, so don’t be sorry.

I just want to second that marvelous Phil Roth quote from above.  I feel that way so distressingly often about my fellow Americans.  What more can I say?

Yeah,  side effects like unemployed torturers,  and thumbscrew makers.

So sad.

They had to move to Iran,  and Gaza.

Ripley

“Yes, I hate her.  I hate her for charging victims for evidence collection.  I hate her for needlessly risking her child’s life.”

I guess you really hate Sarah Palin.

See, thats what President Bush means by the ‘angry left’. The hate.

Even I or Rush limbaugh as conservatives do not hate Barack Obama.

Maybe it’s because conservatives tend to be Christians and don’t store that type of hate and bitterness in their hearts.

“In other words, the situation is far more complex than the trolls make it out to be”

I don’t know, Jeff, I think you did a good job of laying it out clearly and succinctly.  The complex belief systems are the ones like “liberals are the real racists because they try to help black people as a way of keeping them on the plantation, the Republican party is the party of civil rights because 90 years ago Robert Byrd was a KKK member so it’s impossible for calling someone a ‘negro’ to be offensive” etc.

James, just because you say it doesn’t make it so.

If there is anything comparable in Lott’s history you can trot it out.  (as if I care)

July 2, 1996. Trent Lott is the focus of an article in the Village Voice by Clare Saliba, which reports that “when Trent Lott was elected the new Senate majority leader earlier this month, no group was happier for the tough and abrasive Mississippi pol than the little-known Council of Conservative Citizens. Started in 1990, the St. Louis-based COCC urges staunch conservative candidates to change the face of politics by running for public office. Lott has long been a supporter of the COCC and has spoken at its seminars.” The Voice article focuses on the connections between the Council of Conservative Citizens and the infamous “Citizens’ Councils” that fought so hard to oppose integration. Saliba quotes CCC leader Gordon Baum as saying, “We support most of Trent Lott’s philosophy,” and that they “mesh on issues 95 per cent of the time.”

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October 29, 1996. The Charleston Post and Courier reports a story about two white men charged in a drive-by [nonfatal] shooting of three black teens after attending a Confederate flag rally hosted by the Council of Conservative Citizens. A follow-up story reveals that the two suspects are also Klan members, according to the local Klan grand dragon. Samuel Dantzler, state director of the Council, says that neither of the men were invited to or attended the event.

January 29, 1997. The New York Daily News story publishes a story by Lars-Erik Nelson revealing that when the records of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission are opened, Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott will be discovered in the membership rolls. “The only hint of the bad old days comes,” states the article, when Lott “praises—and is warmly praised by—the Council of Conservative Citizens, widely regarded as successor to the White Citizens Councils.”

April 7, 1997. The Montgomery Advertiser reports on a rally at the state capitol building in support of Etowah County Judge Roy Moore, who has refused to remove the Ten Commandments from his courtroom, as well as in support of Governor Fob James, who has backed Moore. The central Alabama Council of Conservative Citizens was originally one of the sponsors of the event, but withdrew its sponsorship after the Mobile Register happened to notice the “racially charged commentary” on the group’s Internet website, which included, according to the New York Times, warnings on the imminence of a “mongrel race” and “multiracial mafias.”

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December 23, 1997. The Charleston, South Carolina, Post and Courier reports that a black teenager and honor student in Colleton County was shot in the chest, not fatally, by an “armed defender of a roadside Confederate flag sign.” The signs had been printed by the South Carolina Heritage Coalition and distributed by the Council of Conservative Citizens

<u>You can assert that Byrd is no longer a racist.
But He was recruiting Klan members at a time when the Klan was seriously in the business of terrorism, and murder.</u>

I didn’t excuse what he did in the past, merely noting his repentance for his past deeds and that he isn’t a Klansman in the Senate as you originally stated here, Ripley.

As for your history, the Klan is still into murder and intimidation, the former you might’ve caught last month:

COVINGTON, Louisiana (CNN)—A woman recruited over the Internet and shot to death during a Ku Klux Klan group’s initiation rite felt a need to be wanted and was eager to be part of a group, authorities say family members told them.

Her relatives told investigators that Cynthia Lynch, 43, of Tulsa, Oklahoma, had never been outside her home state, said Capt. George Bonnett of the St. Tammany Parish Sheriff’s Department.

But she recently took a bus to Slidell, Louisiana, where she was met by two Klan members and taken to a campsite in the woods near Sun, Louisiana, about 60 miles north of New Orleans.

Bonnett and Sheriff Jack Strain gave CNN this account of what happened:

During the initiation rite, members of the Klan group, which calls itself the Sons of Dixie, shaved Lynch’s head. After 24 hours of drills, including chanting and running with torches, she asked to be taken to town. An argument began and the group’s leader, Chuck Foster, allegedly pushed her to the ground and shot her to death without warning.

Ripley, it has to get said the the TMI dudes way too often, but your kinks aren’t germain to the dicussion at hand.

First off, I apologize for the technical and grammatical errors in my post above. It was written on the fly. So, there may be a few points in it where the language doesn’t flow like I’d want it to.  However, I’d also like to note something about the politics of white resentment, which was so successfully utilized by folks like Nixon and Reagan.

A starting point for this is the decimation of the industrial sector of the American economy.  This wasn’t driven by any inherent inefficiencies, but instead by long-term historical trends in the capitalist system.  For those at the top, cheap labor is preferable.  What we see, again in long-term historical trends, is the movement of industrial production to lower and lower cost areas.  The outsourcing people take so seriously today is not a new trend.  Consider, for example, how textile manufacturing was once a prominent feature of life in places like Massachusetts. Lowell, which is only about an hour away from where I live, was once a major site of production for fabrics and clothing.  Once workers here decided to organize and collectively pursue higher wages, the jobs left.  They first moved to the South, with its anti-labor “right to work” regulations, but once labor there became to expensive, it moved overseas to places like Central America and South and Southeast Asia.  So, part of the issue with regard to the deindustrialization and deskilling mentioned in my post above is simply a long-term feature of capitalist production and wealth accumulation.  That’s not to say it’s a happy thing, but it is a historical tendency.

I also mentioned the declining wages of American workers since the 1970s.  This has hit minority workers—those who were likely to find opportunities in industrial employment more recently, and those to whom professional labor, due to access to higher education, was more restricted—harder than many white workers.  Again, this is related to issues of familial wealth accumulation.

The Southern Strategy and its progeny were able to mobilize the anxieties produced as a result of the economic decline of the white working class. Instead of placing the responsibility for this decline in the capitalist class and its pursuit of greater wealth accumulation (take a look at the fucking trends over the past 35 years), and blame black folks for it.  They successfully, at least in terms of popular politics, placed the blame for the declining standard of living for working class whites at the feet of “undeserving” people of color, those receiving welfare or affirmative action.

Reagan’s “welfare queens” and even Jesse Helms’s “hands ad” were not only racial appeals, but also class-based appeals.  The blame for the declining standard of living of working class whites was displaced from a capitalist class, that was taking in larger shares of both income and wealth, and onto the backs of African Americans, and particularly poor African Americans.  (And Bill Clinton wasn’t blameless on this.)

Saddam, and his state machinery of oppression, torture, and rape was destroyed....  I’m not sorry about that.

Since 9-11 a plurality of major attacks on the territory of the United States have been successfully thwarted.  I’m pretty keen on not having been blown up, shot at a shopping mall, or caught weaponized smallpox.  I guess I’m a sucker for that kind of thing.

The US invasion and occupation of Iraq has exchanged a brutal dictator with an equally brutal, but much less competent, new government, which cannot even guarantee the basic security of the average Iraqi. Approximately 3% of the Iraqi population is now ‘food insecure’, in danger of starvation, with an additional 22% dependent on food rations. The continuing insecurity of Iraq has spawned a refugee crisis, with approximately 4 million Iraqis, out of a country which originally contained 26 million, internally displaced as refugees, or living in refugee camps in Syria and other neighboring countries. Read, if you will, this description, from the Iraqi blogger Riverbend, about how she has not been freed by the US invasion and occupation- far from it, in fact. After the US invasion, the Iraqi society became much more fractured, driven by ethnic rivalry and fundamentalist religion. Women were no longer able to walk abroad with their faces uncovered. Riverbend’s last post was on Oct 22, 2007, after she and her family had fled to Syria.

The price of this exchange, from a relatively stable nation-state under a cruel dictator, to the continuing and deadly instability and political chaos of today has been the extermination of 1 million Iraqis. Consider this for a moment. How can the US claim to have saved Iraqis from a brutal dictator, while at the same time killing 1,000,000 Iraqis? It makes no sense. It is also absurd, and completely counterfactual, to claim that the US occupation has stopped torture in Iraq. Iraq will always be known as a war for Oil and empire.

As far as the US government stopping major attacks on US territory, I work next to the Sears Tower and even I thought this was completely laughable. If this is the quality of terrorist the US has to deal with, then I think the counterterrorism we had before 9/11 was more than sufficient.

“Saddam, and his state machinery of oppression, torture, and rape was destroyed….  I’m not sorry about that. “

We had to destroy the village to save it.

We had to destroy the village to save it.

“Those damn sand niggers were torturing! Kill them all! Village? What Village?”

Er, what I’m getting at is, looked at objectively, the reasons for the Iraq war seem to make even less sense than the reasoning of the Vietnam era. In my mind.

Trolls are busy today.  They must realize that their time is over and they have to get it all in before the stroke of midnight and they all turn into worms.

Yeah. Stupid me for replying to one. I have to find a way to do it that’s more sarcastic and mocking, less factual. Or just stop.

They can be a mild diversion for a while, but they quickly become annoying.  I can generally only take one or two a week or I get mildly nauseous.

Yeah, DrDick, I know what you mean. And then you want to destroy their stupid asses with mocking, but actually, they’re too stupid to understand mocking. So all this does is maybe make us laugh, but at the same time is feeds their narcissistic ego.

On the subject of terrorism, and our response to it, something hilarious from two years ago.

On the whole amazing lameness of terrorists in the past 6 years.

May I interrupt your daily scheduled troll-bashing to say, MAJeff, I’ve missed your posts.  *returns to lurking*

“But the success of using racism as an unofficial party plank is waning, and contemporary conservatives who want popular support are going to have to find a different message.”

...but they don’t know how, which as a black Democrat, I think is a wonderful thing. I found the song somewhat funny, and I’ll tell you why- The “black” voice Paul Shankln uses sounds nothing like Sharpton, but it is an almost dead-on impression of the guy who is probably the untimate “Magic Negro”- Jesse Lee Peterson. I love it, LOL.

MAJeff, your posts are indeed very impressive, you obviously have a really wide, deep knowledge of economic theory. Something I admire.

“If I could mine the stupid here, and sell it for fifteen cents a ton,
I’d be a rich woman.

Ripley
Not a man, but I love tang”

Haha!  Ripley fucking rocks.  She’s the best lesbian in the world:)

Ripley the Magic Lesbo, lives by the Sea.

““Saddam, and his state machinery of oppression, torture, and rape was destroyed….  I’m not sorry about that. “

Actually a new state one rose in it’s place or rather several ones one of which was state run by Shites funded and trained by the US. These new machineries are far more opprevise, brutal, torture far worse then anything Saddam did. More people disappeared and were found hacked to bits in a few years of Saddam being gone then in decades under him. Also people didn’t disappear in broad daylight under the Saddam regime either.

Oh my. Now the trolls are trolling each other.

I want these Repub Committeepeople to imagine that the media actually WAS as Liberally biased as they constantly whine it is. Wouldn’t such a media use the “Barack the Magic Negro” affair to portray the Repubs as racists? Either they know the “Liberal bias” business is the most pernicious lie—it makes the others possible—or they’re masochistically begging to be humiliated.

Unfortunately, African Americans are treated the same as women in the Republican party: “Sure, you can join us.  Just keep your mouth shut unless we stick something in it.”  With African Americans, it’s words.  With women, it can be…....other things.

Ripley here is a shining example of “conservatives never lose. If conservatives lose, it means they weren’t REALLY conservatives.”

having denied the conservative credentials of Bush, McCain, and the ENTIRETY of the Republican congress.

See Ripley, people would assume you’re a white male asshole because it’s exceptionally rare to find someone who lives a life so thoroughly unexamined and divorced from reality when the realities involved in actually being a member of some minority has more than once kicked them in the ass.

And between that, and your obvious, obvious trolling, I’m inclined to assume you’re one of the other trolls we already have in this thread just sockpuppeting. Either one of the ostensibly female ones, because you figure “Amanda and Pam are so angry and don’t lose credibilty, so if I say I’m a lesbian, I can accuse people of being insane from an STD and not be dismissed” or one of the ostensibly male ones because “hurr durr, lesbianz r hawt. and this board is full of dykes anyway.”

But who knows, maybe you really are an angry republican lesbian. that is part of the nature of the internet. it can be difficult to distinguish outright liars from just the incredibly insincere. But seeing as you lied about every other statement of fact in your post…

“See Ripley, people would assume you’re a white male asshole”

BWAHAHA!  They sure would assume wrong there.  I don’t meet many lesbians so avowed as Ripley is, and no, she’s not transgendered.  She probably has an asshole though.  She half had me convinced when we spent a weekend together.  :D   Great people, though. 

But you’re wrong - radical feminist fucktards would make that assumption, but responsible citizens who carry guns for their own and innocents’ protection would not make that assumption.  They’d assume she’s a responsible citizen, and so she is.

Did I ever get an answer?  Don’t feel like poring through (not “pouring”) the inanity to get to it; and Amanda didn’t consider herself above talking down to me at SheThinks; if she wants to come out with a racist book and think she’s the shit and too far above people like me to talk to anymore, fine - just say so.  And I shall ascribe to her the *common* feminist position of wishing to CONTROL women’s reproductivity just like the rest, without apology.  It sure as hell puts the lie to all the rhetoric about women controlling their own reproductive systems and makes a wash out of all the self-aggrandizing RH videos she comes out with - which is fine by me!

And Pam?  Fuck you, you supercilious twit.  If I ever read anything from you that has a shred of intelligence, thought, or readability, I’ll reconsider.

It’s sad, because there are 4 bloggers here and I can identify a Marcotte post instantaneously.  She can actually write.

“...okay, that has GOT to be a textbook example of Obama Derangement Syndrome.  I suppose your SCOTUS was in on it too because they didn’t pull another 2000 and choose our president.  Idiot… “

Hehehehehe - oh please please tell me that’s a joke.  Well, if it isn’t (and it isn’t) it IS NOW!  That “living document” that doesn’t apply today with its silly rules about rights belonging to people (my god, how stupid were they?) had actual RULES about the election of a president.  Which don’t involve voting machines in one party’s car making tons of ballots and pretending they’re votes.  There are deadlines, and they weren’t jokes either. Not that it matters a whit considering that Gore was NEVER ahead.

And now you have your magic negro in office (or, uh, will soon) for 4 - 8 years, and then it’ll go back to another Republican.  It’s apparently already eating your heart out.  Get used to it; as you grow and mature you’ll see this happen several times.  That’s how it goes.

Pam can’t even write well; after a few lines your head is hanging down and your eyes drooping like fuck.

If you LIKE that sort of thing, Mike Ess, more power to you.  But don’t get all hot and bothered that some of us see her ravings as just that.  CHOAD.  Hehe.  (Ok, I LIKE “choad”.  But then I always have.)  There’s a reason ALL her posts are tagged “choad, batshit crazy, Republican”, you know?)

Oh, and her treatment of a fellow lesbian?  Typical.

responsible citizens who carry guns for their own and innocents’ protection would not make that assumption.  They’d assume she’s a responsible citizen, and so she is.

I’m amused at how “responsible citizen” = “gun owner.” So the chap who gunned down his in-laws and set fire to his house last week is responsible, whereas people striving towards a society where you don’t need guns to celebrate your holidays safely are irresponsible?

Be amused, irresponsible citizen.

“responsible citizens who carry guns for their own and innocents’ protection would not make that assumption.”

Thing is carrying a gun doesn’t make you any more safer at all. Handguns are incredibly inaccurate and even trained police if they were to fire them at someone shooting up a place say a mall would find most of their bullets not getting anywhere close to the suspect and far more likely would hit an innocent person. Remember Columbine had people with guns on them in the school guess what they were the first targets of Harris and Klebold. Want to survive a shooting? Get out of the way and don’t attract attention to yourself by screaming or making noise.

4 - 8 years, and then it’ll go back to another Republican.

Or, if they keep playing “blacks/hispanics/gays/city-dwellers aren’t real Americans”, 20 or so years.  Or as long as it takes them to learn that is Real America now.

Except that in all 31 states that enacted CCW laws, rapes (completed rapes) plummetted, as did murders.  Not to mention we’re guaranteed our right to carry arms in the 2nd amendment.  For that reason.  Hell, read “Little House on the Prairie” if you can bear it - in he case where they were run off of Indian Land (Indians were laying siege to the stockade) the ONE THING they were allowed to keep were their guns. 

I know people have this ridiculous fear of firearms today, but carrying a gun?  Talk about empowering.

Also, given my stance supporting women’s right to control their reproductive systems, DOES AMANDA SUPPORT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS OR NOT?  Or is she a eugenicist?

Seraph, I’ve been alive a long time.  The parties switch back and forth, period.  Do you imagine that they DON’T?  Did you seriously think the Magic Mulatto would be in charge forever, or the Dim party?

Wow, you’re not even going to deny that you think Pardo is a responsible citizen? I put that up as a strawman, but…wow.

Hint for Ripley: referring to the “Democrat” party = dead giveaway of wingnut trolldom. 

Please try to do better with your next sockpuppet.  We have high standards for our trolls around here, and you, Anniee, and James just don’t cut it.

Ooh, the troll knows the other troll “IRL.”

Yeah, I used to have friends online who I totally know in person and we had a secret background.

then I turned 13, and was capable of putting an argument together that relies more on actual reason and merit than on a fictional popularity and ability to harangue others into silence.

to review: you, a racist and general shitbag of indeterminant identity, as you seem to switch between whatever you think will get you the most leverage. you’re a persona, not a person.
Ripley: is you.

And I claim my five pounds.

I know people have this ridiculous fear of firearms today, but carrying a gun?  Talk about empowering.

I’d prefer a society where I don’t have to be armed 24/7 and can still not be raped or murdered, personally.

Also, given my stance supporting women’s right to control their reproductive systems, DOES AMANDA SUPPORT REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS OR NOT?  Or is she a eugenicist?

I suspect that she has not bothered to answer is because it is just that stupid a question. She’s a busy woman with better things to do than talk to trolls. (So am I, but I’m compulsive that way.)

Of course parties go back and forth.  But parties also die out.  Heard much about the Whigs lately?  The Federalists?  Depending on white, married, Christian, rural, Southern voters for electoral success in a country where the proportion of the electorate that fits any (let alone all) of those criteria is constantly shrinking is a recipe for extinction.  When and if the Republicans come back to power, it will be because they’ve learned how to genuinely reach out to, and include, people outside their current power base.  And the way it’s looking right now - with the “we lost because we weren’t conservative enought” contingent shouting the loudest - it could be awhile before that happens.

Magic Mulatto

Right then.  Does the Stick Rule apply yet?

anniieeiieieiee:

as far as the shit you made up about feminists wanting to impose limits on having children: links or it didn’t happen. the end. prove you’re not a liar or shut the fuck up and get out.

james, you’re a liar as well. i personally know conservatives (former friend) who has expressed hate for barack obama, for no reason. former friend, on account of him being a hateful, angry, racist and misogynist asshole. funny thing is, his personality changed for the worse after becoming “born again.” christians are scary. believing in jeebus makes some of them hate humans.

Maybe it’s because conservatives tend to be Christians and don’t store that type of hate and bitterness in their hearts.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

*Chuckle*

*Wipes eyes*

Oh, that’s hilarious.  That tears it.  James is a parody. 

Look man: you’re too subtle.  Take RiM as an example.  He knows full well that conservatives have become so absurd that they’re impossible to caricature, so he uses other forms of humor in his posts.  Like wordplay: his “Aryan Church of White Butte”?  Comedy gold.

Here Chibi - and please note that this is not marginal; it’s part and parcel of radical feminism as described in the links:  http://directionlessbones.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/controlling-birth/  http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/

So.  There you go.  But Malthusian theology?  Part and parcel; always is.

Seraph, if the GOP dies out (I wouldn’t complain) then it would give way to ACTUAL conservatism, and that would also be OK.  Perhaps the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party.  I could deal with that!

A Lib win would mean that you morons would be able to exist so long as you find your own funding; works by me.  Of course that’d be a stretch considering your actual economic base LMAO

“Except that in all 31 states that enacted CCW laws, rapes (completed rapes) plummetted, as did murders. “

Actually when you bother to verify that claim you find out that in most of the areas such crimes increased or the decrease occured to increased police funding, more police presence, anti-criminal activities that broke up criminal gangs. In other words actual research finds that concealed carry laws didn’t have any effect at all or in fact increased crimes because instead of leaving people alive muggers and other criminals shoot first rather then demand their victims give their money over. The only thing that actually cracked down on crimes where more powerfull police and federal intervetion such as the FBI getting off it’s ass to crack down on the gangs.

Numerous countries around the world have most of their citizens allowed to carry a submachine gun but guess what they have incredible high crime rates as well. Irai under Saddam every single family was allowed to keep one Ak-47 same with Afganistan under the Taliban. Post Saddam Iraq also has a Ak-47 allowed per every family but the crimes in Iraq after the invasion were incredibly high due to the police deserting.

Every society that allowed it’s citizens to have weapons wheter open or concealed historically kept crimes under control by societal forces such as the military or citizen patrols that were trained and organized like a modern police force.

I live in a state with concealed carry laws. Guess what the most populous cities have the highest murder rates in the nation and people are shot dead on the street. I have seen street gangs corridon off neighborhoods with watchers so they can do drug deals in the suburban neighborhoods.

Concealed carry laws wouldn’t help LA, Detroit or numerous other cities. They would make it far worse.

“Perhaps the Constitution Party or the Libertarian Party.  I could deal with that!
“

So you are admitting that neither party lives up to what it is supposed to uphold due to it’s names?

Here Chibi - and please note that this is not marginal; it’s part and parcel of radical feminism as described in the links:  http://directionlessbones.wordpress.com/2008/12/27/controlling-birth/ http://autistscorner.blogspot.com/

...?

You have two not-particularly-prominent bloggers, one of whom is arguing in favor of absolute reproductive freedom, and the other of whom was drawing up a shoot-the-moon science-fiction scenario, and you’re using them as some sort of “gotcha” against Amanda, who is long and well established as a reproductive-rights absolutist? 

Is there anything but solid bone above your shoulders?

“to mention we’re guaranteed our right to carry arms in the 2nd amendment.  For that reason”

If you go by the strict literal mention it refers to members in a well regulated milita meaning a state controlled organization since militas the forerunners of the national guard were under control of their respective state goverment. The 2nd amendment was due to the idea that citizens were all that were needed to defend the country instead of a professional army. Thing is that idea was debunked by the war of 1812. Also it doesn’t say it’s unlimited ownership either.

Doll most countries have their own second amendment and guess what it’s for their citizen armies such as what Switizerland, Israel, and numerous others have. Guess what they don’t have gun stores either and guns are highly regulated criminals are heavily penalized if caught and if you own a gun and sell it to somebody else in unauthorized transaction you are imprisoned as well.

seraph?  Those are COMMON radfem views; as a matter of fact, one is a MODEST proposal

IF, and I mean IF AManda (the only proper writer on this site) disagrees, I’d like to know.  She MIHT do so.  If she does, GREAT.    iF SHE DOESN’T, THEN…WHAT THE FUCK EVER.

Why don’t you send her a civil e-mail detailing what you’ve found and asking her, instead of trolling off-topic on a thread that Amanda didn’t start, and acting like a spoiled 7-year old who didn’t get a pony for Christmas because she hasn’t responded to your inane demands here?

Or you could just FOAD.

Those are COMMON radfem views; as a matter of fact, one is a MODEST proposal

Really?  That’s funny because I have NEVER heard a feminist advocate them and I teach gender issues classes.  That does not mean that no “feminist” has ever advocated anything like that, but it clearly indicates that it is far from mainstream.

“one is a MODEST proposal”

The sci-fi one, right?  B/c you are trying to understand satire and Jon Swift was assigned reading over Winter Break?

If you want to know what Amanda things, you can research other things she’s written.  Coming in making crazy assertions and then demand that your crazy be refuted is just stupid.

I’m sorry, but there it is: just plain stupid.  I could dress it up with synonyms, but that’s what it is.  Rude and stupid, especially since Pam, who runs another respected blog in addition to posting here, started the thread.

But she’s just a Magic Negress, I suppose, and therefore only worthy of condescension for her magic aid to the true heroine of the story, the white girl.

“thinks” not “things” damnit.

Oh, Christ, it’s Anniee, notorious Stand Your Ground troll and bootlicker to MRAs, if she really is a woman.  She sure hates a lot of people. She used to haunt the Ms. boards back in the day, and she follows feminists around the web with her incomprehensible assertions and dimwitted lies.  If she’s so much better than us satanic liberals, how come she spends so much time courting our attention?

Okay.  So Lindsay, of Autist’s Corner states:

In all of these quandaries, I think the right choice lies in preserving the greatest possible level of individual freedom (in other words…yes, you should be free to get an abortion for whatever reason

While arguing quite vehemently, in the very next post, for the right to reproduce if she so chooses - a right she defends against a cultural tradition of labeling the disabled “unfit”. 

The one that actually advocates “controlling birth” (in reaction to overpopulation) is described as “A rough sketch…just one possibility, not a definitive statement” by its own author.  Five people commented - four if one counts you and Ripley as one person, which I probably should.  The blog itself is about ten days old.  Like DrDick, I’ve never heard anyone else advocate such an idea.

And you want to argue that “eugenics” is a common, mainstream (if the word actually applies here) “radfem” position?

Let me tell you, you’re using the wrong tools to do it.  Or did you not expect anyone to actually check those links?

oh wait.

But you’re wrong - radical feminist fucktards would make that assumption, but responsible citizens who carry guns for their own and innocents’ protection would not make that assumption.  They’d assume she’s a responsible citizen, and so she is.

aaaand aiinennenenenene is revealed to be a total incoherent fake. RiM, is that you?

ainnee:

“Of course that’d be a stretch considering your actual economic base LMAO “

so you’re not racist, just starkly classist? keep digging, little girl. you write like a 16 year old brainwashed by rush. your hero is a druggie, but it’s okay since he’s white, right?

i hope to god you’re in high school. maybe there’s some chance in the future for you to learn critical thinking and stop trying to be the ubercool Mean Girl (Heather, but you’re too young to get that reference). it makes you look really, really uneducated, stupid, ignorant, what have you. but really, keep spewing your brainless hate. it’s hilarious. you’re gonna give yourself an aneurysm, kid.

and as far as the obviously obscure blog with no readers representing the Feminazi contingent who want to limit breeding? that was pathetic. real blogs with real readers, please. not something that for all i know, YOU wrote in some manic episode of trying to “punk” those damn libruls.

wait wait wait, annieee IS a racist bitch. magic mullatto? you’re a fucking tragedy. but please, tell me how i’m so mean and typical for calling you what you are. you walk like a duck, quack like a duck, and ARE an ignorant, idiotic, racist, classist fuck. you really should be embarrassed about how much of a fucking loser you are that you need to come here and act like a shit to intelligent people. if you are not a spoiled little teenage brat, you do a lovely impression of one. an ungrateful one at that. you should be amazed no one has banned your ridiculous ass for being too stupid to function.

keep digging, little girl. you write like a 16 year old brainwashed by rush. your hero is a druggie,

I would say more like 13 (emotionally anyway).
Should also point out that her boyfriend was caught with illegal Viagra coming back from the Dominican Republic, the Caribbean destination of choice for sex tourists looking for underage boys.

Why don’t you send her a civil e-mail detailing what you’ve found and asking her, instead of trolling off-topic on a thread that Amanda didn’t start, and acting like a spoiled 7-year old who didn’t get a pony for Christmas because she hasn’t responded to your inane demands here?

Because then Amanda would answer Anniee with the answer that anyone who’s read more than three posts by Amanda already knows—that Amanda does not, in fact, believe that women should be sterilized against their wills at age 13. And then Anniee couldn’t run around pretending that Amanda is so afraid of her that she won’t even respond to a series of increasingly desperate trolls on a post that Amdanda didn’t even write in the first place. And that would derail Anniee’s brilliant plan:

1. Make it look like Amanda Marcotte believes something she doesn’t by trolling a thread.
2. ???
3. Profit!

Incidentally, you could just use The Google to see what Amanda thinks:

So why do the adoption-obsessed anti-choicers hate Roe so damn much? Well, they’re not entirely incorrect in thinking that Roe dried up the adoption market, even if they’re wrong to think that abortion did. 1973 does seem to be the breaking point, the end of the stream of white, middle class girls giving up babies for adoption. It seems women across the nation realized that if they had a right to abort a pregnancy, they also had a right to keep a baby, and didn’t have to give it up just because their parents, church, and community said so. People treat “choice” like a code word for “abortion”, but it really does mean “choice”—the choice to have an abortion, sure, but also the choice to be a single mother, to be childless, to delay marriage, never to marry at all, or to be a lesbian.

But where’s the fun in that?

According to Alexa.com.,  annieeblackheart.com has a traffic ranking 1/2000th that of Amandas’.  I’d say anniee is demonstrating a profound case of envy, she wishes she had as many people paying attention to her but can’t articulate it directly because then the game would be up.

See Ripley, people would assume you’re a white male asshole because it’s exceptionally rare to find someone who lives a life so thoroughly unexamined and divorced from reality when the realities involved in actually being a member of some minority has more than once kicked them in the ass.

That, and they referred to “tang” unironically.

Whites are tired of being the negroes of America!

I believe a Mr. Jonah Goldberg updated that phrase for today’s sophisticated wingnut palate: “White males are the Jews of Liberal Fascism”.

Wow!  Ginmar, the third-rate cheerleader from NOW, who never came up with a shred of original material, who could do nothing more than scream “YEAH!  Yeah, THAT!  Now get lost, fucktard!” and nothing more - actually FIGURED OUT WHO I AM?

Congratulations, Sherlock.  I used the same name I’ve always used, and the same name I used there.  I mentioned the old times, the old boards - I did all but say outright “Yes, this is the Anniee who used to post at NOW and MS and ZOMG I was such good friends with some of the feminists that I knew a full 4 months before anyone else that Lynne-bob (who lorded her femininity above all the BORN women, such as myself) was actually a transsexual - which, by the way, made national news and ZOMG Wendy McElroy even reported the whole thing too” but I didn’t think I had to…they all knew, and everyone knew, and I made no secret of it HERE.  I mean sheesh, ginmar, you’re as much of a geeeenyus as EVER.  Still just a third-rate cheerleader.  I’d bring up David Byron, my best friend of those days, except he’s out of the business of arguing feminism, isn’t he?  The boogey-boogey-boogeyman!!  Whooooooooooo - scary!  Ginmar (or “Margin”) darlin’ I wasn’t hiding anything or you’d never have figured it out.  Jesus, Kaye had ten thousand times your deductive skill, and at least SHE came up with original material.

Traffic envy?  I’d close my board before I’d abide the likes of you talking there, trust me.  It’s reserved for mocking nonsense like this and putting it in its place.  Which is pretty much no place. 

Wanna hear something really funny?  I had a far right winger (and another guy, a staunch MRA who actually runs a pretty successful board) both accuse my board of being a response made in competition with their boards.  LOL!  No…I will talk to ONE person or TWO people or no one at all before abiding company I hate.  You can call me a misanthrope if you like; it fits well enough.

Lack of intelligence you can’t accuse me of though.  Ok, well you can, but it will only make you look stupid.  My credentials on THAT score are fully documented and indisputable.  I can’t judge personally whether I have the writing charisma of Marcotte, but considering that WHAT she writes is so fucking inane and loathsome, I really don’t care.  People who like it, like it a lot.  People who don’t, never will.  The little girl with the curl and all that. 

Now seriously; I’m not going to be attempting to troll your board - I wasn’t a troll at MS (I made plenty of decent feminist friends there) and I wasn’t a troll at NOW (though that board was so unregulated that trolling was meaningless) - so you needn’t worry that I’m gonna be coming around endlessly, or at all.  I genuinely had a question for Amanda, which is apparently unanswered (and thus I shall assume the answer - not that it was really in question) so adeiu adieu to yeu and yeu and yeu!

So, anniee, can’t stand anyone who’d have the guts to speak the truth to power at your miserable blog?

My credentials on THAT score are fully documented and indisputable.

Yes, you are indeed dumber than a stick.  Thanks for removing all doubt for the 2% of the readers who were on the edge of their seats trying to figure out whether or not you were merely clueless or truly lacking the innate intelligence of domestic poultry.

I can’t judge personally whether I have the writing charisma of Marcotte, but considering that WHAT she writes is so fucking inane and loathsome, I really don’t care.

Which is why it was so important to you to ask her a question off topic on a thread Amanda didn’t start instead of using e-mail like she was worthy of being treated like a human being?  You’ve written a lot about how horrible she is, and she hasn’t ever acted like you exist.  That confirms that you are fucking inane and loathsome, FWIW.

I’ve only one question:  What color is the sky on your world, dummy?(To paraphrase Don Rickles).

Oh DA, fuck off and let Mandy speak for herself.  You can’t hold a candle to her, believe me.

Bite me!

Oh, and BLOG?  I don’t BLOG.  Blogging is narcissistic and self-indulgent.  Message boards - try that.

And don’t worry, Mandy HAS indeed treated me as worthy of her attention lol.  You peons don’t even KNOW.

Oh DA, fuck off and let Mandy speak for herself.

Oh, anniee, you’re sounding green around the gills with envy when you talk about fucking off.  Why is that? 

Blogging is narcissistic and self-indulgent.

You certainly demonstrate both qualities in this thread, but enough about you.

And don’t worry, Mandy HAS indeed treated me as worthy of her attention lol.  You peons don’t even KNOW.

The clinical term is erotomania, I believe:

The core of the syndrome is that the affected person has a delusional belief that another person, usually of higher social status, is secretly in love with them. The sufferer may also believe that the subject of their delusion secretly communicates their love by subtle methods such as body posture, arrangement of household objects, and other seemingly innocuous acts (or, if the person is a public figure, through clues in the media). The object of the delusion usually has little or no contact with the delusional person, who often believes that the object initiated the fictional relationship. Erotomanic delusions are typically found as the primary symptom of delusional disorder or in the context of schizophrenia.

Occasionally the subject of the delusion may not actually exist, although more commonly, the subjects are media figures such as popular singers, actors and politicians. Erotomania has been cited[citation needed] as one cause for stalking or harassment campaigns.

The Republicans problem is that the bigots are the base.

How do I know this? In any comment thread on any conservative blog or message board there will be a bigoted comment against someone (race, gender, religion, sexual orientation) within the first ten comments.

Move along, no bigots here!  No one here is bigoted against Christians, white people, conservatives, etc.  This is the most bigoted site I’ve EVER seen and that includes the filthy bigots at stormfront.  Y’all ARE the thing you hate.  And you laugh about it.  LOL

Oh, and laugh all you want - my beloved sister is a lesbian (love her!) I am of mixed heritage, and none of these things make me conservative.  Bigots like y’all make me libertarian, that is all.