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Repubs give up all pretense of being sticklers for process the second they get power

A lot of Republicans ran on the promise of repealing health care reform, which only worked, of course, after telling their base that “health care reform” is basically code for “giving people you moved out of the city to get away from money so they can sit in the doctor’s waiting room right next to you like it was some subway or something”.  Of course, repealing the law was a farcically empty promise, though I suppose the hope is they could beat Obama down enough he’d actually sign that bill.  He did hang his head and claim that the public somehow rejected him, even though what actually happened is most of the public rejected going out in the cold to walk down to the polls for a midterm they were barely paying attention to, if at all.  They didn’t reject access to health care, which the Republicans already know, which is why they’re pretending that they’re going to rewrite the law to make it better.  What they don’t tell the public is “better” means “whatever it takes to keep you the undesirables from walking into a doctor’s office and getting a check-up like you’re one of the privileged like me”. 

Well, even I’m not cynical enough to think that Obama could be bipartisan shamed enough into repealing health care reform, and neither are the Republicans, since their plan is to harass it to death.

Republicans can call hearings and compel testimony, and Obama has no veto power to stop them. In the House, they’ll control three major committees with a mandate to poke around on health care, subpoenas available if needed. In the Senate, they’ll have added leverage on two key panels, so their demands can’t be easily ignored.

Republicans say they’ll focus on what the new health care law will mean for Medicare and employer health plans, mainstays of the middle class.

“Oversight will play a crucial role in Republican efforts,” Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell of Kentucky said. “We may not be able to bring about straight repeal in the next two years ... but we can compel administration officials to attempt to defend this indefensible health spending bill.”

In other words, they’re going to take a page from the book of people who protest, vandalize, block, and bomb abortion clinics—-if they can’t change the law, they’re going to try to make it too difficult for you to use your rights.  Except they’re going to try to do it with hearings. 

This is, of course, making a mockery of the powers that have been given to Congress.  They’re basically admitting up front they don’t actually care about truth or good government, but are willing to use the powers given to them to get at these things in order to stop good government and to hopefully distract from the truth.  Clearly, their biggest concern is once the public starts actually experiencing the effects of health care reform, the enthusiasm for repeal will evaporate. 

What’s so hilarious about this is Republicans are always playing like they’re just sticklers for process.  They’re not bigots!  They just argue that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over state governments…..and now apparently they have no jurisdiction over federal law, either.  But let’s be clear—-just because they don’t actually understand the law doesn’t mean they aren’t sticklers for it, in ways that precisely mirror their prejudices.  This has nothing to do with anything but their thorough enthusiasm for sticking to the process.

Oh wait, that argument only matters if they’re on the losing side of it.  When they’re on the winning side, then actually it’s opposite day, and they object strongly to the childish notion that the powers given should only be used in the spirit they were given in.  There’s no hiding from the fact that you’re a grade A hypocrite if you complain out one side of your mouth about “judicial activism” and then applaud Congress for calling hearings where they have no intention of gathering information to govern better, but in fact every intention of just confusing and stalling the issue.  Wearing the mantle of original intent and process-orientation—-but only when things are going your way—-is basically wearing a “I’m a big fat lying liar piece of shit” sign.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:49 AM • (49) Comments

It’s the old attorneys’ saying:  When the facts are on your side, pound the facts; when the law is on your side, pound the law; when the law and the facts are against you, pound the table.

For right-wing politicians it goes something like this: when public opinion is on your side, pound public opinion; when public opinion is against you but you have the power to do it, call it ‘leadership’; when you lack power and public opinion, then procedure it to death.

It’s just like those right-wing judges and justices who decry judicial activism - right up until they engage in it to radically reshape the law in ways they like.  Stare decisis only matters when it matters, don’t ya know - and if you can benefit a bank, large corporation, or right-wing religion, then it doesn’t matter.

Nihil novum sub sole.

Comment #1: Richard Goblin  on  11/10  at  11:32 AM

Nice.  There is an ad to meet “serious christian singles” being displayed on this page right now.  Think they can find me a nice christian man?

Comment #2: Richard Goblin  on  11/10  at  11:34 AM

That could be the new (and old) Republican slogan, “Making a Mockery of []”.

Comment #3: Jake  on  11/10  at  12:15 PM

They just argue that the Supreme Court has no jurisdiction over state governments…..and now apparently they have no jurisdiction over federal law, either.

I’m no legal scholar, but I’m pretty sure Marbury v. Madison is still in effect.  Though I’ll bet it was written by some liberal activist judge.

The GOP’s raison d’etre for the next 2 years will be to throw as many wrenches as possible into the machinery of government and use the resulting disaster to show that you just can’t trust the rule of that Democrat party.  I look forward to the many, many disingenuous editorials that will be written by wingnuts voicing their concern for the integrity of government under the Dems.

Comment #4: Sour Kraut  on  11/10  at  12:28 PM

even though what actually happened is most of the public rejected going out in the cold to walk down to the polls for a midterm they were barely paying attention to, if at all.

Um… what?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2010
Dems: 31,015,220   Reps: 34,334,489
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2006
Dems: 33,929,202   Reps: 26,674,169

Call me crazy, but as far as mid-terms go, I see a net INCREASE in votes.  Please don’t fool yourself here.  The Republicans won because they got more voter turnout than their Democratic counterparts. 

This isn’t the result of voter apathy.  Just the opposite.  This is the result of a wide-scale multi-billion dollar voter disinformation campaign funded by major corporations through their media subsidiaries and the unlimited campaigning allowed by the Citizens United decision.

If you want to fight this kind of electoral thumping, simply lying to yourself is not the path to victory in 2012.  If you go into the election thinking voters are just unmotivated, you’re going to continue to be shocked by poll results that don’t go in your favor.

Comment #5: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  12:30 PM

Whatever, Zif.  The notion that the smaller, more conservative electorate that turns out for midterms in any way reflects what all Americans want is a lie. 

That’s why I think mandatory voting is the answer.  Until everyone votes, we don’t actually have a real view of what the people want. 

Re: Madison.  Yep, the argument is basically that it was wrongly decided.  But that argument depends on whether or not conservatives benefit.  For instance, Madison was wrongly decided if you’re talking abortion, but correct if you’re putting limits on gun control.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/10  at  12:33 PM

I, for one, am glad that the Democratic Congress has set a precedent for civility by not investigating a bunch of trivial crap like war crimes, burning CIA operatives, or awarding billions of dollars in no-bid contracts to politically connected firms.  By keeping the tone of the debate high, they’ve set a standard that will surely shame the Republicans into backing down from their plans to investigate non-scandals.

Comment #7: libdevil  on  11/10  at  12:36 PM

I can’t imagine that hearings on the health care bill could possibly be of any use. We all know that the bill is perfect, with no possible errors, or unintended consequences. It was written by legions of highly skilled staffers, lawyers, and lobbyists who had the best interests of the People at heart. What could the Republicans hope to uncover in such a perfectly crafted instrument?

Comment #8: faiimuden  on  11/10  at  12:45 PM

Now that the Republicans are in power I’ve seen so many of these posts eviscerating their stupid and obnoxious positions.

It’s discouraging to me.  How did we allow ourselves to lose to these total idiots?  Dangerous, pain-inducing, repressive idiots?  How is that possible?

I know all the political answers, okay, but sometimes it just slams me in the gut:  how did we lose to these guys?  How is that possible?.

We had to deliver 2008-2010, and now that we haven’t we are so, so fucked.  Oh my god.

Comment #9: paradox  on  11/10  at  01:03 PM

@8, you’re making the laughable assumption that Republicans actually give a shit. 

I realize you’re a troll.  But surely you don’t believe your own bullshit, so why should anyone else?

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/10  at  01:07 PM

Whatever, Zif.  The notion that the smaller, more conservative electorate that turns out for midterms in any way reflects what all Americans want is a lie.

Doesn’t fucking matter.  If the smaller, more conservative electorate is the one that’s voting, then every mid-term they get to call the shots.  But even then, this electorate voted our way in 2006.  Why?  Because you had a relentless, pervasive media narrative blasting away at Republican policies.  Bridges to Nowhere, two unpopular endless losing wars, massive overreaches by the federal government under the guise of national security, and multiple Republican Congressman facing criminal prosecution all the way up to the Vice President’s own Chief of Staff.

Come 2010, the media narrative is completely reversed.  It’s Democrats who are getting blasted from all angles for a failing economy and congressional overreach (and yes I know it was all bullshit, but I’m not the one with the network and cable news bull-horns).  The mushy middle that turned out in 2006 and 2008 turned out again in 2010, in even greater numbers than in the last mid-term.  And they voted Republican in greater numbers than ‘06 Democrats.

And how did this media narrative change?  Comcast buying NBC.  FOX News sponsoring and advertising Tea Party protests nationwide.  The Chamber of Commerce (whose membership includes GE [the current owner of NBC], Disney [who owns ABC], and a number of other media groups) gets more political than it’s been in recent memory.  Wall Street piles on.

The “average American” is under siege by a deluge of right-wing propaganda.  Voter participation has nothing to do with that.  Voter participation is UP.  But the voters are so deeply misinformed that they’re voting against their own interests in droves.

The midterms reflect that America has been lied too.  A simple GOTV isn’t going to change that in 2012.

Comment #11: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  01:15 PM

What could the Republicans hope to uncover in such a perfectly crafted instrument?

Certainly nothing that provides windfalls for insurance companies, big pharma, or for-profit hospital chains—they like those aspects even more than the Dems do, and care about them a lot more than they do the provisions about abortion and contraception that are thrown in to humour the Xtian fantasists. That’s as true for the “rebellious” Teabaggers as it is for the GOP establishment.

In other words, the hearings won’t be of any use, unless you’re stupid enough to consider Beltway political gamesmanship and chest-beating useful. That usually translates into being stupid enough to believe that Libertarians are above such things.

Comment #12: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  01:23 PM

Until everyone votes, we don’t actually have a real view of what the people want.

This is insane.

Right now, you have a real view of what the people want. 32 million people wanted a Democrat, 36 million people wanted a Republican, and a whole bunch of people wanted None of the Above. As they expressed, very clearly, by not supporting anyone who was running for office.

If you force people to vote, you don’t improve your data, you obscure it. Now everyone is FORCED to choose between A and B. Before, you had information on three groups of people and what they wanted. Now, you have information on none of the above, because you don’t even know how many people actually support the Republican or Democratic candidate. They’re masked by people randomly choosing one so the Voter Police will let them go home.

Why are so many of my fellow progressives so locked into the idea that if people aren’t TOLD WHAT TO DO, their freely-chosen behavior will simply be so unacceptable that it cannot be tolerated?

If there is nobody running that I want to support, then forcing me to vote is the blackest form of oppression. Mandatory voting is politically totalitarian, demanding that I view my civic role in the way that the state lays out, not out of my own choices as a free citizen.

Fuck that noise.

Comment #13: Alkaloid  on  11/10  at  01:40 PM

Does anyone remember the waning days of the bush administration, when the president would simply tell his subordinates and former subordinates not to show up for hearings they didn’t want to testify at? And how everyone and their brother on the GOP side of the aisle thought this was a masterful response to legislative interference in the process of government?

Comment #14: paul  on  11/10  at  01:51 PM

The GOP’s raison d’etre for the next 2 years will be to throw as many wrenches as possible into the machinery of government and use the resulting disaster to show that you just can’t trust the rule of that Democrat party.

Meanwhile, of course, your country is slowly dying from being ungovernable.

It’s as if the patient is fading away and wheezing harder and harder, and the Republican doctor decides it would be a good idea to jump up and down on their chest.

Comment #15: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/10  at  01:55 PM

If you force people to vote, you don’t improve your data, you obscure it. Now everyone is FORCED to choose between A and B.

Spoiling a ballot or chosing “None of the Above” in one way or another are options as well, whether voting is mandatory or not. When that’s made illegal, that’s the time to worry.

But I have no problem with the general concept of a constitutional democracy requiring its citizens to turn out at the polls, even if it’s just to spoil a ballot and express their views that way—to call that “totalitarian” is to betray a grave misunderstanding of that term.

At this point, though, I’d be satisfied if election days were either bank holidays or held across a full weekend. But the U.S. political establishment seems hell-bent on keeping voter turnout as low as possible.

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  01:57 PM

Gracchus:

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing us merge tax paying and voting.  Change election day to April 15th.  Have everyone mail in their ballots with their tax returns.  One is already mandatory.  Might as well just fold it in.  I also wouldn’t mind seeing it made into a national holiday, or at least moved to a weekend.

Comment #17: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  02:23 PM

Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing us merge tax paying and voting.

That opens the door for a sort of poll tax, which is unacceptable in the U.S.—it tends to disenfranchise poor citizens. Best to keep the two separated.

But your deeper point is important: if one considers mandatory voting to be “politically totalitarian,” I’d imagine one would feel the same way about mandatory taxpaying.

Comment #18: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  02:32 PM

Republicans can call hearings and compel testimony, and Obama has no veto power to stop them. In the House, they’ll control three major committees with a mandate to poke around on health care, subpoenas available if needed.

Don’t that know that congressional subpoenas don’t matter any more?

Comment #19: cynickal  on  11/10  at  02:34 PM

Having ballot spoiling as the only option would be a shame in an electoral system like the US, where so many different (and important) things are being voted on each time. A null vote option could surely be easily added to the ballot. And it means you can still express your opinion on things that matter to you and you want to express an opinion on, without having being forced into revealing anything you don’t want to, really.

Comment #20: MarinaS  on  11/10  at  02:34 PM

Seriously, for a good half of the things we voted on I selected nothing*, and it was perfectly legal.  Have you not seen a ballot?

*Didn’t care about State Auditor, wasn’t aware of the judges election so abstained rather than make an uninformed vote.

Comment #21: Antigone  on  11/10  at  02:40 PM

A null vote option could surely be easily added to the ballot. And it means you can still express your opinion on things that matter to you and you want to express an opinion on, without having being forced into revealing anything you don’t want to, really.

Agreed. If they implemented mandatory voting, it would make sense to implement this (“No Opinion” or “None of the Above”) as well. Even better if they provided a short and standardised multiple choice listing of reasons (including a generic “Other”) why the null option was chosen. Bet it would return some interesting results, especially when it comes to California’s confusingly worded ballot propositions.

Comment #22: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  02:44 PM

Didn’t care about State Auditor, wasn’t aware of the judges election so abstained rather than make an uninformed vote.

“Not informed enough about this office/issue” would be a good candidate for that null-option mini-survey. People are pretty honest in the privacy of the voting booth, and they wouldn’t have to be worried about being personally identified in the dataset.

Comment #23: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  02:51 PM

If you force people to vote, you don’t improve your data, you obscure it. Now everyone is FORCED to choose between A and B.
Comment #13: Alkaloid

Wait, what happened to all those third party parties that True Liberals™ support?  According to my math, 308 million Americans - 32 million Democrats - 36 million Republicans = 240 million third party votes.  (To be fair I didn’t take out the under 18 non-eligible to vote population.)

FINALLY!
A government of the people, by the people, for the people

Comment #24: cynickal  on  11/10  at  02:52 PM

That opens the door for a sort of poll tax, which is unacceptable in the U.S.—it tends to disenfranchise poor citizens. Best to keep the two separated.

I don’t see how.  You don’t have to pay money to file an income tax statement.  And with refundable tax credits, you will often get money back from the government if you are at lower income levels.  Technically, you can submit a 1099 form and just list zero income.

What’s more, you could get rid of the ridiculous voter registration system we currently use.  Do you have a SSN?  Then you’re a registered voter.  The end.  No voter registration purges.  No intimidation at the ballot box.  You get the Washington-style mail in ballot system alongside the much more through record keeping of the IRS.

Comment #25: Zifnab25  on  11/10  at  03:15 PM

I don’t see how.  You don’t have to pay money to file an income tax statement.

In the U.S., a citizen’s voting relationship with the state (i.e. the currently optional franchise) is deliberately kept separate from his financial obligations to the state (i.e the eternally mandatory tax structure).

The main reason for this is that there are neo-Feudalist scumbags at every turn who would love to link the two, even if only for the purposes of intimidation, and return us to the glorious days when only white male land-owners had the franchise.

I’m all for more efficient systems and, as noted above, don’t mind the idea of mandatory voting. But linking mandatory voting status to any sort of mandatory taxpaying status is a bad idea.

Comment #26: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  03:33 PM

zifnab:

A couple of things: first, you’re still going to be disenfranchising a lot of poor people who currently don’t have to file returns at all, unless you figure out how to get them all to file. Second, SSN’s still aren’t mandatory. Third, this really doesn’t help you with issues about local addresses, which determine eligibilty for voting in particular elections. You’d have to require that people give the IRS their street address.

Obviously you could fix all those problems fairly easily, but then you could fix the problems with the current registration system fairly easily too, if people actually wanted everyone to vote.

Comment #27: paul  on  11/10  at  03:35 PM

Technically, you can submit a 1099 form and just list zero income.

And technically (at least according to the CPAs I know), doing that invites unwelcome attention from a scary and powerful government agency.

The goal here is to reduce opportunities for voter intimidation and disenfranchisement. Bringing the IRS into the picture isn’t helpful in that regard.

Comment #28: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  03:43 PM

I think mandatory voting is fine, but it needs to be coupled with other electoral reforms, like instant run-off voting and a “none of the above” option.  Proportional representation would really be ideal for Congressional elections—along with the abolition of the Senate.  And, as long as I’m wishing, I’d like a pony. 

But instant run-off voting seems like a much more achievable goal, and it would end the “spoiler” effect of 3rd party candidates.  Which is why both major parties would fight it tooth and nail.

Comment #29: Captain Bathrobe  on  11/10  at  04:34 PM

It’s discouraging to me.  How did we allow ourselves to lose to these total idiots?  Dangerous, pain-inducing, repressive idiots?  How is that possible?

Because no one on capitol hill, least of all the president, viewed the republicans as any sort of threat or worried about the consequences of republicans being put in positions of power. And I lay this straight at the feet of the president who thought that he could come to Washington and cure all the “partisan bickering” rather than doing the right thing which was to take a flame thrower to anything with the stink of “republican” on it left in government after bush left and then using his campaign apparatus to campaign against republicans all over the country.

People keep pointing to Obama as a “Chicago politician” as though it were a threat, whereas in fact it is a treat weakness of his: in a heavily democratic city and state, it is easy to view republicans as eccentric but harmless little trouble-making hobbits rather than the crazed immoral lunatic extremists that they are.

Comment #30: Tyro  on  11/10  at  04:35 PM

But instant run-off voting seems like a much more achievable goal, and it would end the “spoiler” effect of 3rd party candidates.  Which is why both major parties would fight it tooth and nail.

They usually fight it with “it would be too confusing for voters,” as if the concept of ranking preferences (or its implementation on a ballot) is somehow mind-bogglingly complex.

Combined with “None of the Above” as one of the choices, IRV would yield some interesting results.

If we’re throwing in wishes, I’d argue for a complete reform of the Electoral College system—as it stands it’s a broken relic.

Comment #31: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  04:57 PM

“Don’t that know that congressional subpoenas don’t matter any more?”

Exactly.  That what I remember from 8-years of Administration defiance of requests from congress, beginning at least with Cheney’s “secret” meeting with oil execs, and continuing pretty much though Bush Jr’s last day in office.

It seems to me the Republicans set the tone they wanted when a Democratically-controlled House of Reps was blown off by everyone from the White House gardener on up.  They even got people who were no longer on the White House staff to give Democratic representatives the finger.  “Subpoena?  We don’t got to honor no stinkin’ subpeona!”

Turn about is fair play, especially when the Republicans had, and continue to have, absolutely no intention of playing fairly to begin with…

Comment #32: MikeEss  on  11/10  at  04:57 PM

Turn about is fair play, especially when the Republicans had, and continue to have, absolutely no intention of playing fairly to begin with…

That’s only comforting if we assume that the Dems will engage in turn-about. We all know that won’t happen.

Comment #33: Gracchus.  on  11/10  at  05:01 PM

I’m really tired of the America is ungovernable canard expressed in Comment 15. America is hard to govern because of its large population and size and the behavior of the rightist parts of the population are certainly not making governing and administration any easier but this doesn’t make America ungovernable. When open violency and insurgency breaks out, than America will be ungovernable. Until then, America might be badly adminstered but its stil being administered.

Comment #34: Lee  on  11/10  at  05:01 PM

You mean IF open violence…, right Lee? Not when. Right? Please?

Comment #35: alysia  on  11/10  at  05:46 PM

It was (also) the economy, stupid.

Yes, the Republicans had the mighty klaxon of Fox News, Limbaugh and so on infecting the media with lies, but Democrats appeared to be unable (or unwilling) to alleviate the suffering of millions, which meant that some of those millions stayed home.

Independents and some Dems who voted in 2006 and 2008 to throw the bums out, may have noticed we’ve still got those two wars going, and Guantanamo and higher unemployment, the foreclosure mess, and despite the foofarah of healthcare “reform,” everybody still got their health insurance rates jacked up another 30%, if they have health insurance at all.

People losing their homes, their jobs, their unemployment insurance, or healthcare, aren’t usually terribly motivated to vote for the party in power.

It wasn’t solely the economy, stupid, but it sure as hell didn’t help that the Blue Dogs did their damndest to screw over the issues that had produced a Democratic wave for 8 years.

Although that doesn’t seem to be a lesson the Democrats have learned (Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, cough cough, the Cat Foot Commission.)

Comment #36: judybrowni  on  11/10  at  06:08 PM

That’s only comforting if we assume that the Dems will engage in turn-about. We all know that won’t happen.

Agreed.  They’ll fold.

Comment #37: Richard Goblin  on  11/10  at  06:15 PM

You mean IF open violence…, right Lee? Not when. Right? Please?

I don’t think so, and I disagree with Lee.  America is ungovernable because the political system is too slow and schlerotic to deal with urgent problems.  If you want a metaphor, imagine someone with a bad case of constipation - they have pain when they move, and they haven’t had a decent crap for over a week.  Now put them in a situation where they have to run for their lives.

The squeezing of the middle class, the channelling of wealth to the top, the capture by rentiers, the governance by lies can’t go on.  They’re not static; they’re getting worse, and the system is more and more unstable.

Things that can’t go on - don’t. And your social structure is at levels similar to those of banana republics now.

The details of how that will play out cannot be predicted, but I’m confident they will involve violence.  I suspect that this will involve the use of state power against dissidents - a police state in fact if not in name.  But it will probably involve people taking up arms - and getting swatted down hard as “terrorists” too.

Comment #38: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/10  at  06:31 PM

@cynikal@#24: Well, I can’t speak for every state, but in my state the two parties showed bipartisanship to an astonishing degree by making it as hard as humanly possible for anyone to hope to oppose them. We wanted to run a Green for mayor and found out we’d have to get nearly every single registered voter in the city to sign a petition. Unless you’re whipping up the wingnuts it’s difficult to come from nowhere and win elections. You’ve got to have a record to run on, and to do that you need to win elections further down.

So to answer your question, both parties hate actual democracy. What they like is demanding we vote for the slightly less shitty choice. Even when it becomes progressively more difficult to decide which is the shittier.

@judybrowni: It also doesn’t help that pretty much everyone knows the Blue Dogs were doing exactly what the rest of the party wanted done. They got elected by a landslide and immediately demanded everyone to the left of Mussolini shut the hell up and let the grownups talk. I can’t imagine why that might have backfired.

Comment #39: JThompson  on  11/10  at  06:40 PM

How did “we” lose?  Easy, “we” didn’t.  Obama and the Dems aren’t on “our” side. 

Secondly, stupid and hateful people vote for their own.  When we give up on persuasion and go for triangulation, then the stupid and hateful have the floor to themselves.

Comment #40: Punditus Maximus  on  11/10  at  06:49 PM

Anyway, I have no idea why Obama will respond to these subpoenas.  He seems to be devoted to maintaining every Bush precedent except the ones which will allow him to govern.

But he will.

Comment #41: Punditus Maximus  on  11/10  at  06:54 PM

More evidence (at least some of) the Dems aren’t on “our” side:

<blockqoute>The corporatist wing of the Democratic party, in other words Third Way, thinks the plan to lower taxes on the rich and make everyone else hurt proposed by catfood commission chairs Bowles and Simpson is just peachy:

<blockqoute>“This is the first real leadership test for both parties in a divided capitol: will they embrace the Fiscal Commission recommendations, or cop out and pick the plan apart?

No plan will be perfect, but without a serious, long-term commitment to balance the budget, we’re going to stifle economic growth for decades and ultimately have to make draconian cuts in spending. Only by acting aggressively now do we avoid a budget doomsday.”</blockqoute> </blockqoute>
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/11/10/919451/-Third-Way-lauds-fiscal-commission-chairs-proposal,-real-Dems-blast-it

Comment #42: judybrowni  on  11/10  at  07:44 PM

Alysia, your right if. Sorry about that.

  PIOTR, the American system might not be working fast in the present but it is capable of working at great speeds if necessary. Also, the 111th Congress was very productive even with all the political theatre put on by the Republicans and their toadies.

  Punditus Maximus at 40, speak for yourself.

Comment #43: Lee  on  11/10  at  07:45 PM

PIOTR, the American system might not be working fast in the present but it is capable of working at great speeds if necessary.

When was the last time this was shown to be true?

Comment #44: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/10  at  07:49 PM

This is the result of a wide-scale multi-billion dollar voter disinformation campaign funded by major corporations through their media subsidiaries and the unlimited campaigning allowed by the Citizens United decision.

I’m convinced that Alexi Giannoulias lost b/c of the nonstop Karl Rove && US Chamber ads.  6 in a row usually.  Nasty lying things.

Kirk didn’t win by much, and the unpopular Pat Quinn prevailed.  Had millions of dollars not been pumped in by Koch Bros and the Chamber?  I think Alexi would have squeeked through.

Although I’ll never fail to be boggled at how over 3 million people can vote and it can come down to 10K votes.

Comment #45: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  11/10  at  10:22 PM

But… why? What’s wrong with people deciding not to vote and the government allowing them to make that decision? Why are all available choices undesirable to over half of eligible voters? Furthermore, why is our party so dismal at consistently attracting voters to the polls? Aren’t these questions that deserve to be answered instead of figuring that total voter autonomy naturally disfavors us, so it’s no good?

Comment #46: Selena777  on  11/11  at  01:58 AM

The Democrats might have done something with their majorities and bully pulpit besides capitulating on the public option and contraception coverage in the health care bill and stalling on DADT. That might have rallied the base better than hippie punching and robocalls.

Comment #47: snobographer  on  11/11  at  03:18 AM

Also, what libdevil said @7.

Comment #48: snobographer  on  11/11  at  03:20 AM

Re: The Bush white House Ignoring subpoenas.

We can’t forget, that Nancy Pelosi took impeachment “off the table”. George M.F. Bush knew he could get away with murder, probably literally.

The repugs are looking to impeach Obama already, with nothing, or penny-ante stuff anyhow. A staffer ignoring a congressional subpoena is a, I believe (feel free to correct me), criminal offense, if the congress chooses to pursue it they can be jailed for contempt. A president ordering the gardener or Karl goddam Rove not to testify is an impeachable offense (I’m not sure the legal element here), if congress chooses to pursue it. Pelosi promised not to pursue it.

The thugs won’t hesitate, and will, if possible, impeach, convict, and remove Obama and then Biden, and probably find some friendly state AG to go after them with capital charges.

Comment #49: paleotectonics  on  11/11  at  10:38 AM
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