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Sally Kern on Obama’s radical homo agenda (?!) and her Proclamation of Morality

Are they living in some alternate reality than the rest of us? Oklahoma State Rep. Sally Kern  (sallykern@okhouse.gov)  the homo-hating, illegal pistol-packing bigot caught The Peter’s eye with this diatribe about this “proof” of the Obama admin’s godless homosexualism:

The homosexual agenda is only one symptom of the real problem in America. The problem is that we have forsaken the Judeo-Christian values upon which this nation was founded. Noah Webster declared:

“The principles of genuine liberty and of wise laws and administrations are to be drawn from the  Bible.”

There are two conflicting worldviews vying for power. The secular humanist worldview versus the Judeo-Christian or Biblical worldview. Humanism sees the world as impersonal matter shaped by chance with man just another animal. There is no basis for values or laws. The Biblical worldview recognizes a Creator who established moral laws and absolute truth as revealed in the Bible. Man, made in God’s image, is priceless.

Our founding fathers established this nation upon the Biblical worldview as evidenced by John Adam’s statement,

“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.”

Or James Madison’s statement:

“We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government … but upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the 10 Commandments of God.”

For the first time in America’s history, we have a president who has no understanding of the Biblical worldview and who has even less understanding of the truths of the Bible. This is evident when he says that support for homosexual “marriage” [unions] can be found in the Sermon on the Mount or that certain passages in Romans are just obscure passages. Whereas George Washington expelled from his military those who practiced sodomy, President Obama honors sodomites by proclaiming an entire month as Gay Pride Month, but he won’t acknowledge one day for our National Day of Prayer.

We’ll trade you one day of bleeping prayer for a few civil rights. That’s a fair exchange. More below the fold, including a copy of her incredible Proclamation for Morality.
This is so delusional that you really wonder how the woman was re-elected.

We have a president who doesn’t know the difference between God-given rights and sinful, perverted behavior. The Biblical worldview teaches that all are created equal and worthy of respect but it also teaches that some behaviors, such as homosexuality, are wrong because they violate God’s moral law.

Today many in our churches and even many ministers have forsaken belief in absolute truth and are instead reinterpreting the Bible to justify their behavior. This leads to acceptance of anything and everything.

While conservatives attack the symptoms, like homosexuality or abortion, and these behaviors should be exposed and attacked; however, we should love the people involved in these behaviors and tell them God has a better way.

While conservatives attack the symptoms, those who don’t believe in or appreciate the uniqueness of America, our president included, are attacking the foundation of absolute truth, seeking to destroy it through teaching evolution and tolerance for deviant behaviors.

Our founding fathers understood that if a nation is to provide safety and the pursuit of happiness for its citizens, the Judeo-Christian worldview must be maintained. George Washington said,

“Of all the habits and dispositions that lead to political prosperity religion and morality are indispensable supports.”

The Bible states,

“Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.”

God is saying that if the people will practice morality, He will provide the prosperity.

Today we have a national moral crisis and leading the charge against religion and morality is the homosexual agenda with the president carrying their water.

Republicans lost control of Congress because they acted like Democrats. They forgot their conservative roots.  But the issue is not whether you’re a Republican, Democrat or whatever.  The issue is that if you believe in Judeo-Christian values, you need to wake up and wake up soon before it’s too late.

John Witherspoon, signer of the Declaration of Independence, said,

“A republic … must either preserve its virtue or lose its liberty.”

It’s time to realize that the homosexual agenda is a real threat to the liberties of all who believe in Judeo-Christian values.

And now, friends, Sally’s big bible-beating Proclamation, obtained by the Blend:

OKLAHOMA CITIZEN’S PROCLAMATION FOR MORALITY

We the People of Oklahoma, Invoking the guidance of Almighty God, in order to secure and perpetuate the blessing of Liberty; to secure just and rightful Government; to promote our mutual Welfare and Happiness, do establish this proclamation and call upon the people of the great State of Oklahoma, and our fellow Patriots in these United States of America who look to the Lord for guidance, to acknowledge the need for a national awakening of righteousness in our land.

WHEREAS, “It is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by Religion and Morality” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people” (John Adams); and

WHEREAS, “We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government…but upon the capacity of mankind for self-government, upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God” (James Madison); and

WHEREAS, “Freedom is not a gift bestowed upon us by other men, but a right that belongs to us by the laws of God (Benjamin Franklin); and

WHEREAS, “God who gave us life gave us liberty and can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God” (Thomas Jefferson); and

WHEREAS, “Whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of Religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state” (Joseph Story); and

WHEREAS, “We hold sacred the rights of conscience, and promise to the people…the free and undisturbed exercise of their religion” (Roger Sherman); and

WHEREAS, “This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians” (Patrick Henry); and

WHEREAS, “When you…exercise the right of voting for public officers, let it be impressed upon your mind that God commands you to choose just men who will rule in the fear of God” (Noah Webster); and

WHEREAS, “The principles of genuine Liberty and of wise laws and administrations are to be drawn from the Bible” (Noah Webster); and

WHEREAS, the people of Oklahoma have a strong tradition of reliance upon the Creator of the Universe; and

WHEREAS, we believe our economic woes are consequences of our greater national moral crisis; and

WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and

WHEREAS, alarmed that the Government of the United States of America is forsaking the rich Christian heritage upon which this nation was built; and

WHEREAS, grieved that the Office of the president of these United States has refused to uphold the long held tradition of past presidents in giving recognition to our National Day of Prayer; and

WHEREAS, deeply disturbed that the Office of the president of these United States disregards the biblical admonitions to live clean and pure lives by proclaiming an entire month to an immoral behavior;

NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED that we the undersigned elected officials of the people of Oklahoma, religious leaders and citizens of the State of Oklahoma, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world, solemnly declare that the HOPE of the great State of Oklahoma and of these United States, rests upon the Principles of Religion and Morality as put forth in the HOLY BIBLE; and

BE IT RESOLVED that we, the undersigned, believers in the One True God and His only Son, call upon all to join with us in recognizing that “Blessed is the Nation whose God is the Lord,” and humbly implore all who love Truth and Virtue to live above reproach in the sight of God and man with a firm reliance on the leadership and protection of Almighty God; and

BE IT RESOLVED that we, the undersigned, humbly call upon Holy God, our Creator, Sustainer, and Redeemer, to have mercy on this nation, to stay His hand of judgment, and grant a national awakening of righteousness and Christian renewal as we repent of our great sin.

Signed on the second day of July in the year of our Lord Christ Two Thousand and Nine.


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You can review the Sally Kern Blend archive; here are a couple of classics. First, her original, disgusting audio that made her famous:

OMG. This is a riot. Take a look at this photo over at Mike Signorile’s blog The Gist:

Sally Kern was on the floor of the GOP convention and Mike sauntered up, introduced himself by name (she’s been on the show) and clearly she didn’t get it. Gay Cooties for you, Sally - party on!

She even mentioned at the end of our interview, while I took a picture with her, that she had a bad experience on Sirius, with “whatshisname, Michael Siganorelli or something like that.”

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 12:11 PM • (86) Comments

This is so delusional that you really wonder how the woman was re-elected.

Not really.


OK Business Interests:  “Will you shill for us in your state legislature?”
Sally Kern:  “Mmmfphamaphaphahamma (Once I get your dick out of my mouth, I will replay ‘Yes’ you glorious corporate overlords)”
OK Business Interests:  “Here is a giant stack of money and an entrenched political machine.  Attend church on Sundays and remember to tip your pastor generously.”
Sally Kern:  “Do I get to bash the gays and the islams and the liberals?”
OK BI: “We encourage it.”
Sally Kern:  “Hurray!”

~ Fin

Comment #1: Zifnab  on  06/24  at  12:25 PM

The more wacko the bigots become, the more people will reject the bigotry. 

I compare it to the Reichwing’s demonization of Obama as being the Most Liberal President Ever!  Who is Making America a Socialist Country!  He Might Even Be the Antichrist!  And then people see that he’s a calm, reasonable, rational human being, and they reject the attacks and support him even more.

There will always be some group of hardcore anti-you-name-it bigots.  But at least they can be marginalized and shunned in polite society…

Comment #2: MikeEss  on  06/24  at  12:33 PM

Yes, indeed, we were endowed by our Creator withe certain unalienable rights and now, finally, maybe, God’s will will be done and they will be extended to every American, EVERY American.  Maybe, finally, America’s promise will be fulfilled.  What a glorious day that shall be.  Then and only then will E Pluribus Unum be true.

Comment #3: Magis  on  06/24  at  12:40 PM

The garbage that comes out of this vile woman’s mouth makes Pat Robertson sound like the head of GLAAD by comparison.

What a disgusting creature.

Comment #4: DTG in STL  on  06/24  at  12:42 PM

And on what planet was Noah Webster a Founding Father?

Comment #5: BABH  on  06/24  at  12:45 PM

This is so delusional that you really wonder how the woman was re-elected.

Paraphrasing Molly Ivins (yet again): “if you took all the fools, crooks, and bigots out of the legislature, it would cease to be a representative body.”

Comment #6: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  06/24  at  12:45 PM

This reminds me of that female state senator in Kansas who said that women shouldn’t have the right to vote earlier this decade. Deee-lusional.

Comment #7: RMJ  on  06/24  at  12:46 PM

According to Wikiquotes, that James Madison quote is misattributed, “This statement appears nowhere in the writings or recorded utterances of James Madison and is completely contradictory to his character as a strong proponent of the separation of church and state.”

I can’t find it anywhere attributed to Madison other than by Kerns.

Comment #8: Keith  on  06/24  at  12:47 PM

The Bible states, “Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord.” God is saying that if the people will practice morality, He will provide the prosperity.

So let me get this straight.  The bible says that you must listen to the bible, therefore we must all listen to the bible?

Well, that’s certainly convinced me to change my ways.

Comment #9: Jake Squid  on  06/24  at  12:59 PM

BABH:

I think quotes from Noah Webster are a bit of a thing among the far right. The fact that he was a) not even remotely a politician and b) a rather notoriously rude minister whose primary contribution was linguistic seems to have no bearing whatsoever; he’s just a name everyone’s heard.

Comment #10: BrianX  on  06/24  at  01:02 PM

“While conservatives attack the symptoms, those who don’t believe in or appreciate the uniqueness of America, our president included,”

Isn’t the uniqueness of America the fact that we have an open society where anyone can come and live? Seems to me that our president not only appreciates that, he celebrates it. He’s missing the mark on gay rights but I’ve never heard him use the horrible phrases this lunatic uses to describe LGBT citizens.

Comment #11: DC Fem  on  06/24  at  01:07 PM

I think quotes from Noah Webster are a bit of a thing among the far right. The fact that he was a) not even remotely a politician and b) a rather notoriously rude minister whose primary contribution was linguistic seems to have no bearing whatsoever; he’s just a name everyone’s heard.

Maybe she’s thinking Daniel Webster? Who was still not a Founding Father? And who in fact was a Unitarian Universalist?

“We hold sacred the rights of conscience, and promise to the people…the free and undisturbed exercise of their religion” (Roger Sherman)

“This great nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians” (Patrick Henry)

Er, aren’t these two quotes the exact opposite of what she’s advocating?

She’s also missing the point of most of the other quotes, which is that the government isn’t supposed to legislate morality.

Comment #12: Rebecca  on  06/24  at  01:30 PM

I just thought the Pandas might like these….

When a religion is good, I conceive it will support itself; and when it does not support itself, and God does not take care to support it so that its professors are obliged to call for help of the civil power, ‘tis a sign, I apprehend, of its being a bad one.

      - Benjamin Franklin, in a letter to Richard Price. October 9, 1790.

I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

          – Thomas Paine

If we did a good act merely from the love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? It is idle to say, as some do, that no such thing exists. We have the same evidence of the fact as of most of those we act on, to wit: their own affirmations, and their reasonings in support of them. I have observed, indeed, generally, that while in Protestant countries the defections from the Platonic Christianity of the priests is to Deism, in Catholic countries they are to Atheism. Diderot, D’Alembert, D’Holbach, Condorcet, are known to have been among the most virtuous of men. Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than love of God.

          –  Thomas Jefferson

Comment #13: Magis  on  06/24  at  01:37 PM

Noah Webster…not even remotely a politician

Noah Webster was a newspaper man, Alexander Hamilton was his patron, and he ended up as a member of Congress from Connecticut.  He was a politician.  But being born in 1758, he was still in school at the founding.
My guess is that people like Sally Kerns fixate on him because he was a religious zealot, but that’s no excuse for lumping him in with the Founders.

Comment #14: BABH  on  06/24  at  01:55 PM

Hmm, I’m no historian but that quote from James Madison just didn’t sound right.  I googled it and came up with Pam’s house blend and 5 Christian sites.  I’m guessing someone somewhere just added “according to the 10 commandments of God” to something he actually said.

Comment #15: carovee  on  06/24  at  02:02 PM

“For the first time in America’s history, we have a president who has no understanding of the Biblical worldview and who has even less understanding of the truths of the Bible.”

If that’s true, why did we have to listen to almost identical rantings throughout the 90s about Clinton? Come one, Obama can’t be the first surely…

Comment #16: histro-geek  on  06/24  at  02:03 PM

Oops.  I was writing from memory rather than googling.  Noah Webster was of course instrumental in getting copyright protection into the Constitution.

Comment #17: BABH  on  06/24  at  02:03 PM

Isn’t the uniqueness of America the fact that we have an open society where anyone can come and live?

Gosh, I wonder why nobody else has thought of this?

Oh wait...

(One of the things that really gets up people’s noses about Americans is their occasional habit of lauding themselves for the unique magnificence of their country in, I dunno, having sliced bread, or driving cars, or breathing oxygen…)

Comment #18: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/24  at  02:11 PM

Not to Godwin the thread overmuch, but I’m sure with a little Google-Fu I could come up with equally God-Nation-centric quotations from such luminaries as Hitler, Himmler, Goering, and Goebbels.  After all, the Germans marched into both World Wars with “Gott Mit Uns” emblazoned on their belt-buckles…

Comment #19: tannenburg  on  06/24  at  02:20 PM

In my understanding of these things, God doesn’t give a shit about our material prosperity. Jesus had a few words to say on the subject.

I despise this “carrot-on-a-stick” Christianity. I had a minister living next door to me who was always trying to get me to go to his church because they could promise me eternal life. I never told him I went to my church because they didn’t even suggest they could promise eternal life, and especially that they did not dangle it as some kind of reward for living a “righteous” life.

I know, the prosperity line was a minor point in her writing, but it’s a pet peeve of mine. I have no idea what God may want for us, but if you look in the Bible (well, New Testament, anyway) it’s pretty clear that it’s not material wealth.

Comment #20: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  06/24  at  02:26 PM

President Obama should pay attention—he isn’t going to reach these people.

Comment #21: Punditus Maximus  on  06/24  at  02:27 PM

PIATOR: To be fair, Americans invented sliced bread and developed a mass market for motor cars.  With regard to immigration, European colonization of what is now the US started well before that of Canada or Australia, though later than the Caribbean and South America.

Little known fact: Americans conservatives are also exceptional in that they do not need oxygen to breathe.  Their ability to synthesize complex carbohydrates from carbon dioxide explains why they are not concerned about either global warming or depleting oil reserves.

Comment #22: BABH  on  06/24  at  02:28 PM

PIATOR: To be fair, Americans invented sliced bread and developed a mass market for motor cars. 

BABH: To be fair, that is missing the point by a country mile.  The US is not unique, it’s just a country like many others.  Right now it is the most powerful, but - News Flash! - it’s not always been that way, and it won’t be that way forever.

Comment #23: Katherine  on  06/24  at  02:35 PM

Nah, the US is kinda unique.  It’s okay, really, for us to be proud of our homes and the things that make it different from other places.

Comment #24: Punditus Maximus  on  06/24  at  02:53 PM

” the government isn’t supposed to legislate morality. “

See, when I was a conservative, this is where I would pounce. Laws have a moral component; we ban or mandate things based at least partly on a concept of what is right or wrong for the electorate or a segment of it; “fairness” is a moral concept. “Democracy” too. Or for that matter, “rule of law.” We have decided as a species that these things are not just useful but admirable. At least in theory.

So to get around this, you should instead say “legislate religion”. Religion /= morality, and is much more divisive, leads to religious wars etc., which is why we don’t legislate its practice by promotion or banning. Religion is very specific.

I mean, you could argue that we only ban murder and theft because they destabilize a society, and that is true, but the moral revulsion is there also, and the desire for justice.

Which doesn’t mean defining “right and wrong” isn’t a minefield also.

Comment #25: emjaybee  on  06/24  at  02:57 PM

Nah, the US is kinda unique.  It’s okay, really, for us to be proud of our homes and the things that make it different from other places.

Like driving cars, or eating sliced bread, or breathing oxygen?...

Or having immigrants?

Comment #26: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/24  at  03:14 PM

Uh.

I don’t have the time to read all this, but if I’m getting the gist of this, this woman avoided quoting any ethical rules concerning homosexuality from the Bible—at all. Which is the first thing a liar would do, since the only time you’re going to get a prohibition against homosexuality is in the OT, which is not binding upon Christians. Futher that same book:

• Prohibits clothing of mixed fibers.
• Prohibits eating shrimp.

And on and on. The NT would suggest that imperialists like herself that prop up financial markets that hurt the poor and children should be, well, destroyed.

So not only is she wrong on history. She basically has to make up a religion (that is, indulge in heresy) to get her point across. This is nothing new.

What is remarkable is that she can write so much garbage and so thoroughly avoid quoting the document she blasphemes. Even bigots who claim the mantle of MLK will quote him from time to time.

Comment #27: No One of Consequence  on  06/24  at  03:15 PM

IIRC, the US Constitution was at the time revolutionary - if not unique - in explicitly denying that the powers of the government came from some divine authority but instead came from the “consent of the governed.” It was indeed a Humanistic document in that it vested the power and authority of the government in the people and not the gods.

Comment #28: Vir Modestus  on  06/24  at  03:15 PM

otis the sweaty  on  06/24  at  02:10 PM
False.  As the economy continues its nosedive people will become increasingly sympathetic with anti-gay, anti-immigrant, anti-black and anti-liberal rhetoric.

QFT. The upside of this is that it will be really easy to tell who we want to be successful in society. I strongly encourage bigots of all stripes to organize publicly—the better for the majority of us to keep them away from public power.

Comment #29: No One of Consequence  on  06/24  at  03:17 PM

Wow. That declaration’s a spectacular example of Miss the Point theater.

Comment #30: maatnofret  on  06/24  at  03:18 PM

Vir Modestus: The British explicitly denied the divine right of kings in 1649 when Parliament executed King Charles I.  The American Constitution draws heavily on Blackstone’s Commentaries on the British constitution, which is where the Founders got the idea about popular consent, and government by and for the people.

Katherine: Sorry, I see that I should have put a smiley face in my facetious post.

Comment #31: BABH  on  06/24  at  03:32 PM

You know, on further reflection, all of this Conservative/Fundamentalist bloviating just makes me halfway wish for the Rapture so we’d be rid of all of them (but, of course, secretly gleeful at all of those who THOUGHT they’d make the cut but didn’t.)  Muddling about in the Left Behind world can’t be that bad, can it?

Comment #32: tannenburg  on  06/24  at  03:33 PM

tannenburg, if they get special benign treatment, it would mean that the universe is maltheistic, at which point political assholery will literally be the smallest problem mankind has. So, yeah.

Comment #33: No One of Consequence  on  06/24  at  03:55 PM

Are they living in some alternate reality than the rest of us?

As someone born and brought up in OK, with family still living there, I can say quite honestly and sincerely, “Yes, yes they are.” And I just despair when I try to think what to do about. I don’t even speak to most of them any longer.

MKK—happier in Seattle

Comment #34: Mary Kay  on  06/24  at  04:00 PM

She must have some awesome skeletons in her closet given how loud she’s shouting about morality and perversion.  Can’t wait ‘til this one gets her comeuppance.

Comment #35: millsapian87  on  06/24  at  04:48 PM

Silly troll.

Comment #36: millsapian87  on  06/24  at  04:57 PM

There are two kinds of people in this country.  Liberals and bigots.  Bigots make up 2/3 of Americans.

So says some guy I’ve never heard of before.

This is one great thread.

Comment #37: Jake Squid  on  06/24  at  05:03 PM

Can’t wait ‘til this one gets her comeuppance.

I wonder if she’s ever been to Argentina?

Comment #38: rea  on  06/24  at  05:29 PM

Barack Obama’s gay agenda! So radical, it loops right back around!

Rebecca:

Er, aren’t these two quotes the exact opposite of what she’s advocating?

The Sherman quote isn’t, because those classify gay-bashing as a religious activity.

emjaybee:

Laws have a moral component; we ban or mandate things based at least partly on a concept of what is right or wrong for the electorate or a segment of it; “fairness” is a moral concept. “Democracy” too. Or for that matter, “rule of law.” We have decided as a species that these things are not just useful but admirable. At least in theory.

I don’t agree. Unless you’re going to water “moral” down to mean “good for society,” laws are neither required nor intended to reflect morals.

I’m tryingto think f a less stark and less trite example than urder or robbery (though those certainly make my point). Ah. 18 USC sec. 473 prohibits counterfeiting Treasury bonds. It’s moral—lying is wrong—but if we had no concept of lying being wrong it would still be necessary to the function, such as it is, of the U.S. economy.

Jake, that’s obviously wrong because plenty of liberals are also bigots.

Comment #39: Hershele Ostropoler  on  06/24  at  05:34 PM

Dang - I thought for a minute she was issuing a Declaration of Mortality.  Like, maybe this nonsense was going to die out soon.

Comment #40: Ms Kate  on  06/24  at  05:42 PM

The stupid is strong with this one.

Comment #41: millsapian87  on  06/24  at  05:58 PM

... non-Progressives make up almost 80 percent of white people, which is the only demographic that really matters in American politics for the time being.

Bwahahahahaha!

Nice try, thanks for playing.  But, as a nice consolation prize, we have the derision of the community for you.

Comment #42: Jake Squid  on  06/24  at  05:59 PM

Unless you’re going to water “moral” down to mean “good for society,” laws are neither required nor intended to reflect morals.

This. If laws were inherently based in morality, then we could assume that people who follow laws are inherently moral, and that’s just not the case. I don’t not-speed because I’m a good person; I’m fairly confident in my ability to handle my car at speeds above 70. I don’t speed because I’ll get a big, fat ticket for it that I can’t afford. Laws against stealing aren’t an indication that stealing is immoral as much as they’re an indication that a society can’t really prosper if boundaries and property ownership can’t be established and respected.

The laws that are based on morality are ones that we generally call “bad laws.” That’s because morality is both subjective and shifting. A law outlawing sodomy because it’s immoral is going to disappear as soon as enough people can be gathered who consider it not-immoral. And laws that can disappear that easily aren’t a good foundation for an enduring system of governance.

Which is not to say there aren’t a whole lot of what we generally call “bad laws.”

Comment #43: ACG  on  06/24  at  06:34 PM

“More importantly, non-Progressives make up almost 80 percent of white people, which is the only demographic that really matters in American politics for the time being.”

Oh really?  And I suppose you think they’re all Limbaugh-lovers?  So where does the 70%+ support for government healthcare come from?  How about Obama’s margin of victory?  How about the Republican Party scoring numbers below 30%?

Actually, if there’s one demographic that really matters, it’s women The other critical demographic is people below the age of 30 or so.  But I wouldn’t expect one of the “80%” (more like 25-30%) to understand realities like that.  Go home, hug your McCain idol and bugger off…

Comment #44: MikeEss  on  06/24  at  06:40 PM

“There are two kinds of people in this country.  Liberals and bigots.”

Pretty much.  You disagree with that assessment?

otis, it’s just both funny and pitiful that you are proud to be a bigot. there is no other conclusion to be made. that’s sad. i guess that’s the only way you have to pretend you’re better than someone.

lol factual.

i think otis is a parody, perhaps. because otherwise, he’s too stupid to breathe, thinking he came in here with something resembling a fact. provide evidence, troll, since everyone in here passed high school and thus knows you have to prove your thesis, otherwise you will fail the paper for making shit up. i expect better of 13 year olds.

Comment #45: chibi  on  06/24  at  06:47 PM

oh and honey? women aren’t a ‘pet demographic.’ FACTUALLY, men are, being the actual minority.

Comment #46: chibi  on  06/24  at  06:48 PM

But wanting a “good for society” is a moral—or ethical if you prefer—position. “Good” is not self-evident or a free-floating entity, it is a construction of human thinking. So that’s not what I was arguing. But just wanting there to be laws, stability, justice or fairness is a moral/ethical stance, though it can also be a logical or self-serving one. But then, as we’ve seen in Tehran, getting these benefits for your society can also mean risking or giving up your life.

You should not let religion stake a monopoly on morality (or compassion, love, or any other worthwhile concept), and define it for you.

Comment #47: emjaybee  on  06/24  at  06:57 PM

Otis, something you should know:

TRUTHY != TRUE

80% of the people you know may be bigots, but you probably live in a small, isolated town in Oklahoma.  You can’t extrapolate a nest of stupid to the entire United States.

Why do you hate America so much?  You are insulting the country’s intelligence - and that isn’t easy to do!

Comment #48: Ms Kate  on  06/24  at  07:09 PM

I don’t know why I’m feeding the troll, but here goes:

John McCain won 55% of the white vote.  John McCain is not president.  otis: massive political analysis fail.

Comment #49: BABH  on  06/24  at  07:16 PM

Why do we need a national day of prayer?  Aren’t these people supposed to pray every day?  Or would praying at regular intervals make them mooslims?

Comment #50: Ms Kate  on  06/24  at  07:20 PM

Hey maybe Obama will finally get the message that these people are insane with hate for him and he’ll stop throwing the gays under the bus to appease the right.

Comment #51: pablo  on  06/24  at  07:21 PM

There are two conflicting worldviews vying for power

Only two?  Really?

I can count more than two conflicting worldviews in CHRISTIANITY alone.

otis, are you watching O’Reilly’s spin room?  The one where he cuts the mike of anyone who states a fact he doesn’t like and re-edits interviews where he is pwned in order to look like he held his own?

B/c progressives clearly outnumber the GOP at the moment.  72% of the country wants a public option for health care.  We’re 3/4 commie!

I also like the white people being the important demographic for the near future.  White men weren’t enough in the LAST election.  White men, and whites in general, did not vote for Obama.  Yet he won by a large margin.

Whites are still the largest ethnic group, but only in a plurality.  If you isolate older white men, as they apparently wish to be, you end up with a bitter group that won’t be winning national elections again until they learn to play nicely with some other group.

but if you’d like to start bringing out the cites, we can debate it.

Comment #52: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/24  at  07:27 PM

I maintain that Oklahoma (I live here) is mostly a different reality because of the news media. Bad news about Democrats leads the news on TV and in print; bad news about Republicans gets much smaller mentions, if at all.  On the local NBC affiliate today, Mark Sanford’s affair didn’t even merit coverage in the 4:30 newscast.  When John Edwards revealed his affair, it was the top story that day.

How did Sally Kern (no plural; get the name right and help people searching for truth, even in comments, find it) get re-elected?  The local media never wanted the controversy over her in the first place.  Only after it became national news did they bother mentioning it at all, and as soon as the heat died down, they left her alone.  In other places, the media probably would have followed the race closely, reminding voters about her controversial statements and contrasting her opponent’s position.  In Oklahoma City, they never treated the Democrat as any kind of real challenger, so he was left to campaign in obscurity with no attention and no money.

She won re-election by a 58-42 margin.

The good news?  In her previous election (representatives get 4-year terms in Oklahoma), she won the same district 68-32.  With no ongoing media coverage of her campaign or of her opponent, she took the advantage of incumbency from 36 points to 16 points.

I don’t necessarily think that the media here is “in the tank” for the GOP as much as they just hate getting yelled at, and the right-wingers yell loud and long about invented biases, like admitting facts like the existence of Democrats or that Sally Kern is a theocrat who wants to impose her will on the state and use its power to imprison those who disagree with her.  They simply seek to avoid having to defend themselves.  Every “controversy” they go after is about con artists or scams or unsafe products or other stuff where the shouters won’t support the people being examined.

If someone they want to investigate might fight back, or worse, might get onto talk radio and prompt a few hundred phone calls to the TV station, they drop it like a hot potato.  The newspaper is openly right-wing, though, so they’re actively promoting these positions and not just avoiding being yelled at.

But that’s how Sally Kern gets elected.  This little stunt will not garner any serious media coverage here, and if the national media forces it, it will be a standard story where one person says “separation of church and state is important even though everyone moral is a Christian” and another person says “anyone opposing this wants to barbecue your children.”

There is no critical examination of conservative wingnuttery in Oklahoma, at least not in any form of mass media.  That’s how they get elected.

Comment #53: mattd  on  06/24  at  07:40 PM

Pablo - sadly, I don’t see that happening. I think that the more that the right-wingers froth, the more Obama will try to separate himself by being “reasonable” - or, in other words, centrist. He might be throwing people under the bus, but he’ll be doing it politely, by golly!

P.S. Otis, please take a shower or something. Seriously.

Comment #54: Zef  on  06/24  at  08:59 PM

By the way, PIATOR, the USA is unique. Every country is unique. That’s why there are benefits to traveling. New Zealand may be the most unique of all! You’ve got keas and kiwi birds. We’ve got Yosemite and the Grand Canyon. And our citizens are not the same as your citizens, because each person is unique.

On the other hand, I agree that most of the “America is unique” talk is based on bullshit. But it is demonstrably false to say we are not unique. It’s also stupid to act as if we’re better.

And one day, I really want to travel and see New Zealand.

Comment #55: Samantha Vimes  on  06/24  at  09:08 PM

I think describing America as “unique” is fine and appropriate.

The problems come when “unique” is conflated with “exceptional”.

Comment #56: Ms Kate  on  06/24  at  10:14 PM

There are 6.5 billion humans in existance.

Each and every one of them is unique.

Whoop-dee-do.

So, yeah.

Comment #57: No One of Consequence  on  06/24  at  10:31 PM

Noah Webster’s American dictionary is used by many on the right to illustrate the supposed decay of the language and by extension, the culture. They like to use Webster’s definitions of marriage and point to the many times he uses religious rationalization in his definitions like these must be the ‘real’ meanings of these words, absent the dirty liberal destruction of Western civilization. Rather a humorous example of the descriptivist/prescriptivist divide. Fortunately, Webster’s company (or rather the company that could trace its lineage to Noah) gave up that fight nearly 50 years ago or it would be as much a relic as its namesake. For that matter, since anyone can use Noah’s name now, it really doesn’t mean anything anymore—someone should tell Kern.

Comment #58: Ole O.  on  06/24  at  10:56 PM

“WHEREAS, this nation has become a world leader in promoting abortion, pornography, same sex marriage, sex trafficking, divorce, illegitimate births, child abuse, and many other forms of debauchery; and “

As a US citizen, I want Obama to explore this accusation, and unless Kern can show proof that the US “promotes sex trafficking” for one, then sue the Kern bitch for defamation.

Comment #59: phylosopher  on  06/25  at  12:33 AM

Thank you Magis for pulling up those quotes, I would have been too lazy to do it myself lol.

But yes when she started quoting Jefferson and Franklin I started having a scene running through my head.  Jefferson and Franklin looking at Kern, turning towards each other, then back towards Kern with mouths slightly ajar before Franklin finally states “Madame, are you on crack?”

These two men would have been so vehemently against what Kern is stating here that is goes beyond ridiculousness; it’s own special category of crying in dark rooms.

Comment #60: hypatia  on  06/25  at  02:34 AM

By the way, PIATOR, the USA is unique.

To quote DC Fem: “Isn’t the uniqueness of America the fact that we have an open society where anyone can come and live?”

No.

This has been another edition of simple answers to stupid questions.

Comment #61: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/25  at  05:06 AM

WHEREAS, “Whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of Religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state” (Joseph Story)

I think she’s missing a clause on this one.

Yes, google gives me a complete sentence (and an extra for context):

“It yet remains a problem to be solved in human affairs, whether any free government can be permanent, where the public worship of God, and the support of religion, constitute no part of the policy or duty of the state in any assignable shape. The future experience of Christendom, and chiefly of the American states, must settle this problem, as yet new in the history of the world, abundant, as it has been, in experiments in the theory of government.”

Sounds to me like Joseph Story thought the jury was still out on that one…

Her Declaration is hilarious. I am amused to see that she quotes neither the Bible nor the Constitution.

Comment #62: Nic_C  on  06/25  at  05:50 AM

By next years midterms, however, the economy will be such a nightmare (I’m hoping for 14%+ unemployment) that Republicans will be able to beat their opponents just by being “not Democrats”.

You really think that people will restore the same fools that caused the mess to fix the mess? 

We all know whose economic policies caused this clusterfuck.  That’s why we have a black president with a funny name to remind us of that.

Comment #63: Ms Kate  on  06/25  at  10:28 AM

By next years midterms, however, the economy will be such a nightmare (I’m hoping for 14%+ unemployment) that Republicans will be able to beat their opponents just by being “not Democrats”.

Ah, I love the smell of true American patriotism in the morning. (Well, afternoon, here.) You’ve got troll written all over you, but: are you honestly *hoping* that your country will continue spiralling into depression, and more of your countrymen will suffer, simply because it’ll help the Republicans get back in power? Wow.

Comment #64: Nic_C  on  06/25  at  10:32 AM

You’re hoping for massive unemployment.  For political gain.  Did you take classes in evil or were you born this way?

Comment #65: kaninchen  on  06/25  at  11:49 AM

“Did you take classes in evil or were you born this way?”

Evil Medical School, obviously…

Comment #66: MikeEss  on  06/25  at  12:59 PM

If the Republicans nominate somebody who is serious about de-3rd worlding the Southwest

And by that you mean making the South white again?

Evil Racist Medical School.

Comment #67: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/25  at  01:38 PM

As amusing as the troll is, you all do realize that he represents a worldview so incoherent its idiocy isn’t a testament to failure, but to humor? The first indicia of this is his opposition to “liberals”—when classic liberalism contains the virtues that he wishes to be espoused. Drugs, abortion, and gay rights are actively opposed only by the people he want to be in office.

So we begin with the fact that he’s a complete fucking imbecile, who, by is own design, cannot act with any degree of power in society. The only way he gets his way is to elect people who will . . . refuse to do anything his way.

This is isn’t a thriller, folks, it’s a comedy.

But the kicker is an “anti-war” stance, one that is handmaiden to anti-imperialism. Here’s where it gets hilarious: the only substantive political forces that have a shot at shutting down U.S. warmongering are progressive.

The usual bigotry manifesting against immigrants is simple, banal stupidity. Immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than white natives and have been shown to increase wages in the areas they occupy. The only reason they are condemned as “illegal” is because our corporate aristocracy would rather them virtual slaves. The laws concerning immigration are immoral. Figuring out where someone is coming from on immigration is simple: bring up MLK. The civil rights movement broke many laws, all of which were racist and designed to do evil. If you find a person who will call MLK a criminal, pejoritavely, you know their stance on immigration.

As recent events with minutemen commiting criminal acts have shown, we’d be better off bringing in more immigrants and deporting the members of “nativist” movements: it would drop the crime rate and improve the labor force. Plus, we’d get more actual committed citizens, making for more intelligent and moral political actors.

Comment #68: No One of Consequence  on  06/25  at  02:05 PM

More importantly, most white people do not like hispanics or blacks.  I’m sure in whatever place you live in the white population is all about trendy minorities, but that is not an accurate sample of white America.

Dear <strike>deluded bigot</strike> Otis:

You of course can prove this.  You must have some hard figures for this.  You wouldn’t just be pulling it out of your ass, would you?  Please give link to an “accurate sample.”

Comment #69: Magis  on  06/25  at  02:30 PM

“As amusing as the troll is, you all do realize that he represents a worldview so incoherent its idiocy isn’t a testament to failure, but to humor?”

I thought it wasn’t a testament to failure or humor, but to tumor — at least in spirit if not actual flesh…

Comment #70: MikeEss  on  06/25  at  02:33 PM

And is response is nonsensical. I told you, he’s a clown.

“Immigrant Lover.” Jesus, what a hilarious shit.

Comment #71: No One of Consequence  on  06/25  at  02:53 PM

“I have zero faith in the Republican party but I do want them to win in 2010 just because I know that that will piss off Liberals.”

  Goodness gracious little man, you seem awfully invested in the emotional state of people you claim not to be interested in. I think you’re a racist peice of shit, but this is a pretty generic observation, akin to noticing the sky is blue.

Comment #72: HooksInMyHead  on  06/25  at  04:43 PM

Most white people don’t think of themselves as racist, but they are.

Unlike Otis, who is open about being a rabid bigot. At least most people have the decency to be ashamed to publicly admit that they’re racist. I love the way pathetic losers try to justify the fact that they’re pathetic losers by fixating on some group as the cause of all the world’s evils.

Comment #73: Berry, Queen of the Catties  on  06/26  at  02:35 AM

If we’re so annoying, otis, door’s over there.

Comment #74: Hershele Ostropoler  on  06/27  at  11:41 PM
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