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Satan cloaks himself in truth

Irin Carmon at Salon* has an interview up with Merle Hoffman, abortion service pioneer and author of a new and quite interesting memoir Intimate Wars: The Life and Times of the Woman Who Brought Abortion from the Back Alley to the Board Room. This is the sort of article that many a political geek will glaze over, thinking it has nothing whatsoever to do with the horse race that's going on today in Iowa. (Which is wrong in and of itself, as I argue at RH Reality Check.) But once again, I have to point out that dealing directly with anti-choice fanatics is the best lesson imaginable in understanding how the right wing mind works, since their image of themselves as righteous holy warriors causes the filters to come off. Right off the bat in this article, Merle recounts a story to Irin that sums up beautifully the forces that are at play in the Iowa caucus right now.

Recently, Merle Hoffman gave a copy of her forthcoming memoir, “Intimate Wars,” to Sister Dorothy, a regular protester stationed outside Choices, the Queens, N.Y., abortion clinic that Hoffman founded.

“You know, it’s so honest,” Sister Dorothy told Hoffman after reading it, “but sometimes Satan cloaks himself in truth.”

"Satan cloaks himself in the truth." I can't think of a better summation of right wing attitudes about basically everything. No matter if truth conflicts with their ideology, because Satan is behind that truth. If you see how the candidates are campaigning, you'll see that "Satan cloaks himself in truth" is basically their mantra. Everyone is clawing past each other to see who can demonstrate their fealty to right wing myth over truth.

In fact, the more outrageous your myth-making, the better. One reason that Romney bores the right and causes them to dislike him so strongly is that he's not very good at spinning fantastical bullshit. Like I note at RH Reality Check, it's hard to imagine Romney busting out a whopper about doctors throwing a live baby in a bucket and leaving it there to die. Romney is mealy-mouthed about global warming, claiming (falsely) that we don't know what causes it,** which conservatives feel is a bare minimum requirement. But it's not exciting, like suggesting that there's an international conspiracy to invent global warming that scientists perpetuate because they're all secretly communists. 

You know how it is when someone is telling a really juicy urban legend---perhaps that P&G is in league with Satan?---and you correct the record, telling them that didn't happen? You know how, as often as not, they respond with resentment that you're a dreamkiller, what with your facts and truths? Well, being a right winger is basically like spending all your time telling urban legends, putting anyone you suspect knows the truth into a bucket of people you dislike for ruining all the fun. The fear that Romney is only pretending to play along is driving a lot of resentment against him. He plays the record backwards, claims he hears Freddie Mercury say, "It's fun to smoke marijuana"***, but you suspect that he doesn't really care, and he's probably not going to burn his Queen records when he goes home, no matter what he says. 

*Irin has been kicking ass at her new gig at Salon. I interviewed her for the last podcast of 2011 about the year in reproductive rights, which you can listen to here. There's also some mockery of the sexting panic.  

**Not knowing something with 100% certainty isn't a qualification for knowing something, or else people would be unable to function. We know better that emissions are causing global warming than say, that you know your spouse is faithful or that your children love you. 

***The link is totally worth it. You'll be writing love letters to that link if you click it. 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:17 AM • (28) Comments

I think it was actually supposed to be “decide to smoke marijuana.”  If you play “decide” backwards it sounds maybe sorta like dussssst.

I had a facebook friend who posted all that crazy shit about FEMA coffins and some pre-recorded Obama fake emergency footage (which was actually Obama talking about Haiti).  I posted links to information refuting said shit.  She deleted those posts and put them up again so my comments would disappear.  You had best believe I unfriended her but quick.  I found she was doing it to other people, too.  She doesn’t want to know the truth.

PPQ (polite persistent questioning) sometimes works when someone’s not really invested in the myth, because it lets them at least try to use their own brains rather than you “crushing their spirit” with truth.  For example, “why would these supposed coffins be so big and yet so flimsy?” or “do you find anything interesting when you search on phrases in what Obama is saying in that clip?”

But if they’re emotionally invested in it, that’s unlikely to be successful.

Comment #1: oldfeminist  on  01/03  at  11:21 AM

I guess Satan cloaking himself in truth is why they think it is totally acceptable to lie for Jesus.

The republican party platform is greed, selfishness, racism, sexism and homophobia. Romney has trouble gaining real traction with the base because he doesn’t seem to hate anybody. His lack of fervor on three of the five core beliefs of the right wing is why every month someone else who fell out of the clown car looks like they may get enough support to beat him.

Someday I hope to have time to read this book. Does Hoffman write about protesters who came into her clinic to get abortions? I really enjoy it when abortion providers share their first hand experiences with the unbelievable hypocrisy of people like that.

Comment #2: serious bette  on  01/03  at  11:41 AM

Bette: if Satan cloaks himself in truth, then it gets even better because an insistence on literal truth (like “no, gardasil will not make you mentally retarded”) can automatically be read as emanating from Satan.

Comment #3: paul  on  01/03  at  12:13 PM

I’d love to comment on this but I don’t have the time.

I’ve gotta rescue some perfectly healthy third-trimester babies from a bucket in the Planned Parenthood abortuary near my home (where I hear they hand out condoms with razor-blades in them to 9-year-olds on Halloween), then I have to introduce the lady whose daughter became retarded after getting the poisonous liberal HPV shot to the lady who grew back her womb after having a hysterectomy (if God can help her grow back a womb after having it cut out why can’t the retarded girl ask God to grow her a new brain?), then I have to expose a bunch of emails on the internet proving that global warming is all a hoax invented by greedy “scientists” to grab all that filthy hippie George Soros liberal money (which the lamestream media won’t talk about), then I have to finish writing my new book proving that B. HUSSEIN Obama was born in Argentina as the result of a secret Nazi project to infiltrate the US government with a black mooslim sleeper agent (part of the on-going war against Christians by the Vast Liberal Fascist Conspiracy the lamestream media won’t talk about), then I have to write a post on my blog about how I’ve been pro-life all my life, and a blog post about making abortion, sodomy, inter-racial marriage, birth-control, marriage between a man and a box-turtle, and divorce all federal crimes punishable by death, and a blog post decrying government intrusion into the most sacred and personal parts of our lives as Americans, and to top it all off, I’m giving a lecture tonight at prestigious Lynchburg Christian Freedom Eagle Liberty Freedom Jesus University, for the Department of Sacred Christian Marriage Protection, about the havoc that gay marriage is already causing in America and exactly how God will punish us for not just killing all the queers as soon as we find out they’re queer (which the lamestream media won’t talk about).

So you can see I’m way too busy to comment on this…

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  01/03  at  12:27 PM

I have largely given up with dealing with wingnuts, bigots, Ronpaullards, etc.  It seems to be the best way to go about things.  A friend was on Facebook questioning the US exporting gasoline and diesel when prices are high and the oil companies in her area are always crying about some critical lack of refining capacity.  One of her friends went into some stupidifying rant about “dirty” Mexicans taking over the country, all of them “illegals” of course!  So I commented “whatever”. The guy launched into some further ranting, even less coherent and more misspelled, to which I replied “whatever”.  Then he spun further out of control, until she removed his and my comments.  “Whatever” could have been in agreement, but it caused him to further out himself as a truth and logic challenged troll.

You can’t argue with crazy, but you can make it display itself in full flame to scare off the semi-rational.

Comment #5: Ms Kate  on  01/03  at  12:36 PM

Excuse me, I need to go compose a love letter to that DJ Lobsterdust link.

“You make the music go back, you hear Satan speaking”

Comment #6: Cris (without an H)  on  01/03  at  12:49 PM

Mundus vult decipi, “The World wishes to be deceived”

Comment #7: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/03  at  01:02 PM

I have to write a post on my blog about how I’ve been pro-life all my life, and a blog post about making abortion, sodomy, inter-racial marriage, birth-control, marriage between a man and a box-turtle, and divorce all federal crimes punishable by death…
Comment #4: MikeEss on 01/03 at 12:27 PM

Be careful, I predict you will be attacked by Big Turtle for this.

Comment #8: oldfeminist  on  01/03  at  01:41 PM

I always have to remind myself, when dealing with my very right-wing mother, that you cannot reason someone out of something they didn’t reason themselves in to. Her beliefs about the world are completely impervious to fact, logic, or reason so instead I just laugh to myself and text quotes to my friends.

Comment #9: Grad Student  on  01/03  at  01:50 PM

bette, I’m only about 100 pages in, but she has mentioned patients who insist they’re “not like those other women” in the waiting room.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/03  at  02:34 PM

For the New Yorkers among us, a reading:

https://www.facebook.com/events/144338985675731/

Comment #11: rowmyboat  on  01/03  at  02:38 PM

Sometimes the devil does speak his truth:

Santorum: States Should Have The Right To Outlaw Birth Control

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2012/01/03/396516/santorum-states-should-have-the-right-to-outlaw-birth-control/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Which is why Santorum is “surging” in Iowa, he gives good crackpottery, and the wingers lap it up.

Comment #12: judybrowni  on  01/03  at  02:42 PM

I always have to remind myself, when dealing with my very right-wing mother, that you cannot reason someone out of something they didn’t reason themselves in to.

Bingo.  Another thing to keep in mind is that you can’t change people’s minds when they’re unwilling to allow it or even admit the possibility that they might be wrong about something. 

In fact, I’m pretty sure that mentality is the desired result of conservative demonization (literally or figuratively) of skepticism and such; having a voter base of intractable conspiracy theorists who mindlessly accept anything a (Republican) authority tells them has proven politically useful over the past few decades.

Comment #13: schism  on  01/03  at  02:52 PM

Bingo.  Another thing to keep in mind is that you can’t change people’s minds when they’re unwilling to allow it or even admit the possibility that they might be wrong about something. 

More to the point, a large part of the bloc we’re talking about is involved in variants of Christianity with a strong concern about thoughtcrime. It’s not just uncomfortable to be wrong - like it is for everyone - it’s actively hazardous. Feeling disagreement with the authority figures is evidence that the devil’s got his fingers into your soul.

I think this fear is why it’s so common to double down on absurdity; it’s a rollover display of submission and loyalty.

Comment #14: ScottK  on  01/03  at  03:08 PM

You spoke too soon, Mittens is at least putting his toe in the water of truthiness:

Mitt Romney, exploiting (and fueling) Obama Derangement Syndrome earlier today:

Hours before the caucuses, he made his final pitch to Iowa voters in an ornate ballroom at the Temple for the Performing Arts in Des Moines.
Democrats will “poison the American spirit by pitting one American against another and engaging in class warfare,” Romney said. “I believe in an America that is one nation under God, and I will keep it that way.”

Romney said basically the same thing last night: that President Obama sought to “poison the American spirit” by substituting “envy for ambition,” thereby preventing the United States from being “one nation under God.”

It’s really crazy stuff—something you’d expect to hear from Michele Bachmann or Rick Perry, but not Mitt Romney—at least not the Mitt Romney who launched his campaign last June by keeping the tea party at arm’s length. But back then he thought he was inevitable; today he realizes he needs the right wing lunatics on his side.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/01/03/1051122/-Mitt-Romney-plays-the hate card-again?detail=hide&via=blog_1

Comment #15: judybrowni  on  01/03  at  03:47 PM

In fact, I’m pretty sure that mentality is the desired result of conservative demonization (literally or figuratively) of skepticism and such; having a voter base of intractable conspiracy theorists who mindlessly accept anything a (Republican) authority tells them has proven politically useful over the past few decades.
Comment #13: schism on 01/03 at 02:52 PM

They believe they are being skeptical by not believing a word you say.

Comment #16: oldfeminist  on  01/03  at  04:37 PM

The line about Satan sometimes clad or cloaked in truth is from scripture.

I think there is a more subtle meaning to it than the literal interpretation here - maybe the analogy to secular thinking about truth value would be along the lines of “lies, damed lies, and statistics.” Sometimes a prosaic truth can help obscure or mislead from a ‘higher’ truth.

Yet…I think there is something to the idea that the reactionaries are always openly desirous of some charismatic alarmist.

Ron Paul’s making tracks in the state doing that. Last week he was blasting the clarion call about the UN black helicopters and the sovereignty and the UN.

That’s just bizarre, but he really makes hay with that stuff - and there are buyers for the BS he is selling.

Comment #17: KingElvis  on  01/03  at  06:10 PM

I guess one of the benefits of making shit up, once you’ve stretched the truth past all resemblance you can also pretend something that you did, you actually didn’t:

Perhaps the most startling example of such exceptionalism is from “Don’t-kid-yourself” Rick Santorum.  Days after discovering her fetus had a fatal defect, Santorum’s wife Karen came down with a fever, an indicator of a dangerous infection.  Inducing labor at 20 weeks gestation – nearly a month prior to viability – was the only sure way to save Karen’s life.  So, the Santorums did what nearly any family would do: they decided to save the mother’s life and proceed with inducing labor, even though that would assuredly cause the fetus’s death.  One might call this procedure a partial-birth abortion.  Except, Santorum wouldn’t call it that because he’s opposed to abortion, believes abortion providers should be jailed, and calls exceptions to save the mother’s life a “phony exception.”  Unless, of course, the life being saved is that of his wife’s.  Because his reasons were different.  Their reasons were better.  Their case was the exception.

So, no contraception for the rest of us, but abortions—as long as they don’t call ‘em that—“on demand” for the liars.
http://abortiongang.org/2011/09/the-other-american-exceptionalism-“rape-incest-and-mine”/

 

Comment #18: judybrowni  on  01/03  at  06:35 PM

  “Sometimes Satan uses the truth.”

Yeah, that’s right up there with “They had to destroy the village in order to save it.”  Sort of explains their plans for the vanishing middle class, doesn’t it?  And, hey,  they’ll get rewarded in Heaven, so it’s all good.

Comment #19: ginmar  on  01/03  at  07:04 PM

you are right… that is a truly awesome remix/link

Comment #20: jamie d  on  01/03  at  07:40 PM

BEST LINK! Thank you!

Comment #21: artdyke  on  01/03  at  08:22 PM

Another “benefit” of the Satan-uses-truth demonization is that a good Christian isn’t supposed to co promise with the devil.  If you successfully paint your opponent as evil, you have an excuse to turn your back on anything they say.  Which explains a lot about how Congress doesn’t work…..

Comment #22: NobleExperiments  on  01/03  at  09:41 PM

I think I will write love letters to that link, actually. [rocks out]

KingElvis @ 17: what scripture are you thinking of? The closest I can find is 2 Corinthians 11:14 (”…Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light”). The phrasing “Satan cloaks himself in truth” sounds just freakin’ like something Paul would have written, but I can’t find that phrasing in the bible. Not, obviously, that that would stop anybody.

Someone should have quoted back to this lady John 8:44 (“He [Satan] … abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him.”)—not that it would have helped, not that quoting out-of-context bible verses is good for anything at all. But it would have been childishly satisfying to me.

Comment #23: snowmentality  on  01/03  at  10:16 PM

I don’t know what most Pandagon readers would prefer, but I think it would be swell if links in posts launched a new tab.  Then I wouldn’t have to navigate back to Pandagon.

Yes, yes: ‘Cuz I’m just too lazy to use the right mouse button. 

Just sayin’.  A reader convenience.

(Ooooo, just used the new editing buttons!  Exciting!  No more html for me. Tnx!)

Comment #24: Eric_RoM  on  01/04  at  01:38 AM

The line about Satan sometimes clad or cloaked in truth is from scripture.

The proverb alludes to the temptation of Christ by the Devil (matthew iv) when the latter quotes a passage from Psalm xci.

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-devil-can-quote-scripture-for-his-own-ends#ixzz1iSvJziSt

This is Matthew 4:5-7:

5 Then the devil took him to the holy city and had him stand on the highest point of the temple.

6 “If you are the Son of God,” he said, “throw yourself down. For it is written:

  “‘He will command his angels concerning you,
  and they will lift you up in their hands,
  so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.’[c]”

7 Jesus answered him, “It is also written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.’[d]”


The quote about the Devil quoting Scripture is from The Merchant of Venice, by Shakespear.

Comment #25: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  01/04  at  01:49 AM

The fear that Romney is only pretending to play along is driving a lot of resentment against him. He plays the record backwards, claims he hears Freddie Mercury say, “It’s fun to smoke marijuana”***, but you suspect that he doesn’t really care, and he’s probably not going to burn his Queen records when he goes home, no matter what he says.

“You alone reserved in your soul some corner of clemency for the heathen…. Only that man who has offered himself up entire to the blood of war, who has been to the floor of the pit and seen horror in the round and learned at last that it speaks to his inmost heart, only that man can dance.”

Comment #26: David Paul  on  01/04  at  01:52 AM

Ms Kate @5 - I think what the US actually mostly exports is oil that US refineries mostly can’t handle (our refineries are mostly old enough to need to start with sweet crude while that is not all we produce).  Newer refineries in other countries are better able to efficiently do so.
But in any case, “the US” does not really export petrolium products, companies do.  Missiles, agricultural commodities; yes.  Gas, diesel; no.
I know, I know; facts aren’t likely to make any impact.

MikeEss - lol!

Comment #27: helen w. h.  on  01/04  at  10:14 AM

On Santorum’s wikipedia page, it doesn’t say that his wife had an abortion.  It says she had a very premature birth and the baby died shortly after.  That is the weaseliest thing I have ever heard, but I guess they think intent is magic.  They were just inducing labor; if the fetus died it was just an unfortunate side effect.  But he is Catholic and they also do that whole tapdance with ectopic pregnancies where they just remove the entire ovary so they don’t directly kill a fetus.

But this could actually be a good idea.  Let’s just apply it to all abortions.  Induce labor (if you can even call it that at 10 weeks), and then it’s up the little fetus to pull itself up by its bootstraps.

Comment #28: bananacat  on  01/04  at  09:53 PM
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