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Saturday Battlestar Galactica blogging: Ladies and gentleman, I called it

Because gloating never goes out of style, I’m going to start off by pointing out that right after “No Exit” aired and we found out there was another Cylon named Daniel, I said:

The 13th Cylon wasn’t Kara, but it will turn out that Daniel was Kara’s father.

By the end of the Episode That Forgot Not To Suck was over, I think it was more clear that they were heading in this direction, but I just want to gloat for a moment and say, “Called it early!”  There’s not much else to say about the piano sequence, except they genuinely surprised me with the fact that it was all a hallucination of Kara’s.  Since much of the rest of the episode relied so heavily on the Cylon projection ability (which is cool and has barely been explored), I have to maintain that Daniel is alive somewhere and was projecting himself on Kara’s mind for some reason.  Maybe to warm her up to the realization that she’s half-Cylon.  The return of the Head Six in the last episode will probably be relevant.

On the whole, the episode was really good, and went a long way to repairing the rift caused by sucking beyond belief last episode.  I predict that they’re going to finish strong, though this show was remarkably slow for the run-up to the finale of the entire series.  The Chief/Boomer thing was important, and it got real interesting as soon as Chief let Boomer escape, but it dragged out too long.  We didn’t need drawn-out fantasies of domestic bliss to believe that Chief was vulnerable to Boomer—-I believed he’d let her out the second he went to visit her.  Adding one fantasy would have been nice, but I wanted to see more Boomer doing evil shit and less Boomer fucking with Chief’s mind.  The scene where Boomer fucked Helo in front of Athena was especially awesome.  The fact that Cylon models are all identical twins of everyone else in their line was used to great effect early in the show, but it was sort of dropped.  Even though there’s potential galore there, and they used it again well.  One thing I think will happen is that the Boomer betrayal will firm up Chief’s loyalties to the fleet, leaving only Tory of the final five as untrustworthy.

That this was the plan from the beginning—-use Ellen to install Boomer back into their midst, where she could take Hera and run—-is pretty awesome.  I didn’t see it coming, because Boomer’s shifted loyalties so often that I really did believe that she would yet again shift loyalties from Cavil to Ellen.  I love a well-played double cross.  Now I really have no idea where they’re going to take this.  Each fleet now has one half-human/half-Cylon person, and somehow that’s going to become a big deal.  But I’m not sure how.  Does this mean they can both go their own ways?  Or does it raise the stakes for a final blow-out? 

Of course, the most important question of all is: How are they going to survive, blow-out or no?  This episode made it very clear that the fleet is low of supplies like toothpaste and certainly food, and just as disturbingly, they have the smallest group of soldiers defending the fleet they’ve had this entire time.  The mutiny drained them of soldiers, since all the mutineers had to be sent to the prison ship.  Galactica now has a giant hole in her side, and the fleet can’t even jump around to look for new planets, because Galactica is so broken and battered.  It’s tough to say right now if the ship being so battered will matter when it comes to the final fight with the Cavil loyalists, or if it’s just going to be a plot point to ratchet up tension before that happens.  It’ll be interesting if the fleet’s best defense against Cylon attack, which is jumping away, is taken away from them. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 02:47 PM • (59) Comments

I really liked this episode.  I thought the part at the beginning, showing Starbuck preparing for her duties, struggling to put one foot in front of the other, was awesome, and hearkened back to the beginning of the series.  They are lost again, and where the hell are they going to go?

I also loved the “I’m not being diplomatic, you jackass, I said I liked it” line.

The question now is—clearly Cavil knows where they are, so why hasn’t he come to kill them yet?  It must mean he has something even more sick and twisted in mind.  Maybe pertaining to the “colony” that he mentioned to Ellen?

Comment #1: LauraB  on  02/28  at  03:02 PM

The question now is—clearly Cavil knows where they are, so why hasn’t he come to kill them yet?

Um, I thought that it was clear that he wanted Hera. Go in with all guns blazing and there’s a non-trivial chance that Hera goes up in a puff of nuclear smoke. (Or am I missing something?)

Now that he has her, though…

Comment #2: gwangung  on  02/28  at  03:07 PM

Oh, Tyrol. 

Boomer has to be one of the most tragic figures in the show.  Love failed.

Poor Helo and Athena.

Comment #3: Mandos  on  02/28  at  03:12 PM

It’s clear NOW that he wants Hera.  He’s certainly never mentioned her before.  So what was holding him back all that time?

I’m guessing that Hera is related to resurrection somehow, and his desire to rebuild the resurrection hub.  If so, that doesn’t really bode well for her, does it?

Comment #4: LauraB  on  02/28  at  03:13 PM

I love a well-played double cross.

Do you think Boomer is still a Confused Pawn, and was just messing with Galen on Cavil’s orders, or has she decided for herself that she’s loyal to Cavil but nevertheless loves Galen?  She can’t be unaware of what Helo & Athena are going to do Galen, but she didn’t try her hardest to take Galen with her.

Comment #5: Olgierd  on  02/28  at  03:15 PM

And, ummm… didn’t Roslin die?

Comment #6: Dan P.  on  02/28  at  03:16 PM

Thing is, by signing Boomer’s death warrant, they lost all bargaining power with her.  It turns out that mercy is still the best policy.

Comment #7: Mandos  on  02/28  at  03:18 PM

I thought she fainted.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/28  at  03:22 PM

Helo got molested.

Comment #9: sirkowski  on  02/28  at  03:23 PM

Two things about the whole Boomer-switch.  First, it is pretty clear that while they look identical to humans, cylons can pretty clearly tell the individual iterations apart, hell, even Chief could, he was the one that identified Boomer to begin with.  I can see how he’d get her past the human guards, but did he really think the plan would fly as soon as one of the allied cylons saw the prisoner and the new “Athena?”

Secondly, I think it was great the way that even Helo noticed that something was different.  My guess is that he would have known that Boomer was not Athena had he not even had that option in his mind (considering that Boomer was in his quarters).  Still, there has to be some lingering resentment there, even if Helo didn’t intend to do anything wrong.

Comment #10: Dan P.  on  02/28  at  03:35 PM

Also, I thought they checked a pulse for the president and couldn’t find one.

Comment #11: Dan P.  on  02/28  at  03:35 PM

First, it is pretty clear that while they look identical to humans, cylons can pretty clearly tell the individual iterations apart, hell, even Chief could, he was the one that identified Boomer to begin with.  I can see how he’d get her past the human guards, but did he really think the plan would fly as soon as one of the allied cylons saw the prisoner and the new “Athena?”

How closely do Cylons have to look at each other to figure that out? Has that been established? Also, I figgered that the Chief was only planning it to last long enough for Boomer to get the hell off Galactica…

Comment #12: gwangung  on  02/28  at  03:41 PM

I thought the guy checked for a pulse but we don’t know whether he found one or not.

Comment #13: Raging Red  on  02/28  at  03:43 PM

Cylons are increasingly integrated into the fleet.  Considering the close quarters, I’d suspect that Twoo Wuv would start blooming somewhere.  They need to wait 9 months or so and see if they get another half-Cylon to complete the song.

Comment #14: Mandos  on  02/28  at  03:59 PM

AND “All Along the Watchtower” comes back!  Who is the joker?  Is Boomer the thief?  I know there has got to be a connection between the “last supper” pic and the song…

Comment #15: AlanB  on  02/28  at  04:08 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the Sixes tend to take and keep names, unlike (as far as I can recall) the other Cylon models?  Maybe Sonia decided to call herself Sonia because she’d be dealing with humans on a regular basis, but I prefer to think that now that the various models can no longer homogenize their personalities through ressurection (I can never spell that word correctly) some have decided to at least flirt heavily with individuality.

Comment #16: Andy  on  02/28  at  04:17 PM

Also, if you pause your Tivo, or DVR, on the image of the poster when Kara is playing her father’s music for Sam, it shows that “Drelide” (I think) Thrace is playing at an Opera House.

Hmmmm.

I really liked how Hera was drawing notes to music, when at first I was hoping they’d be planets. Oh well, it was a great reveal and the first time I didn’t really roll my eyes when All Along the Watchtower played.

Comment #17: UltraMagnus  on  02/28  at  05:05 PM

They didn’t do it overtly, but because of Boomer, they managed to tie in an old theme: “Are you alive?”  In the second season, Boomer answered “Yes I am”.  In this episode, she answers definitively, “No, I’m not—-and neither are you.”  More profoundly indeed than Cavil.

Comment #18: Mandos  on  02/28  at  05:08 PM

I thought this episode was really fantastic, one of the season’s best. I didn’t mind all the Tyrol/Bommer fantasy projection stuff but then I am a softy and totally teared up.
It does look more and more like your theory about Daniel is correct,  Amanda. I think it would be great if we could see the maybe-Daniel-piano-character again. But my big problem with the Kara being half cylon theory is that it doesn’t explain how she could have found her body on Earth. That still suggests to me that she may be something other then cylon or human.
I thought Hera was used well in this episode. She is obviously tapped into something very important that even the final five don’t know about. Ellen seemed to believe that someone else was orchestrating events around them. Could it be the mysterious Lords of Kobol?
I do agree with Laura B that it is very strange that Cavil all of a sudden cares about Hera. They better explain why in a believable way.
Boomer was fantastic. I think she loves Tyrol but is loyal to Cavil above the rest of her model or the Final Five.  She was greatly affected by the realization of her cylon identity in the first season and the chief’s rejection of her. We have seen her develop from a cylon working with Caprica Six to create a more “peaceful”  solution to the human/cylon situation to her absolute betrayal in this episode. Now she wants to more machine like and hates humans, a total flip for her character. It seemed like she had a massive turn around in the last few episodes but, brilliantly, it just Ronald Moore fucking with us.

Comment #19: AdamN  on  02/28  at  05:14 PM

Has anyone else noticed that the Sixes tend to take and keep names, unlike (as far as I can recall) the other Cylon models?  Maybe Sonia decided to call herself Sonia because she’d be dealing with humans on a regular basis, but I prefer to think that now that the various models can no longer homogenize their personalities through ressurection (I can never spell that word correctly) some have decided to at least flirt heavily with individuality.

I think the individual Sixes have always had their own flair. Hair dyeing, names, clothes, etc.

I wanted to see more Boomer doing evil shit and less Boomer fucking with Chief’s mind.

That this was the plan from the beginning—-use Ellen to install Boomer back into their midst, where she could take Hera and run—-is pretty awesome.

Maybe, seems like they forced her hand a little.

Comment #20: Juan Stoppable  on  02/28  at  05:14 PM

“I really liked how Hera was drawing notes to music, when at first I was hoping they’d be planets. Oh well, it was a great reveal and the first time I didn’t really roll my eyes when All Along the Watchtower played. “

I think it isn’t just music. Kara asked her if she was drawing stars, and Hera indicated she was. Maybe it’s not just music, but a place.

So next week it seems like they might be abandoning ship. It’s not often that a show kills off the title character before the finale (although I’ve always enjoyed the fact that though the protagonists of the series are human, the show itself is named after a machine).

Comment #21: NickelDiamer  on  02/28  at  05:17 PM

I predict Hera is going to be saved by Sixes.

Comment #22: Mandos  on  02/28  at  05:19 PM

And another thing. For Kara to find her own body in her Viper she had to be resurrected, her memory of the event suppressed and a new Viper built for her. Where did this happen? Is her father out there watching over her? Are there others-humans, Cylons with him?

Enquiring minds want to know.

Comment #23: BarbieAnnR  on  02/28  at  05:20 PM

I think it isn’t just music. Kara asked her if she was drawing stars, and Hera indicated she was. Maybe it’s not just music, but a place.

Okay. I’ll have to watch it again, but that’s awesome that they manged to make it serve two purposes.

And Television Without Pity has their recap up, Drelide Thrace played at the Helice Opera House.

Comment #24: UltraMagnus  on  02/28  at  05:23 PM

What I thought was most interesting re: last night’s episodes was the demonstration of Cylon projection and the way Hera and Kara seem to have ‘inherited’ information from… somewhere.  Some Jungian Cylon collective?

Hera and Kara both just produced the musical sequence, and I think it’s safe to say that Kara didn’t really know where it came from, just as Baltar once correctly pinpointed the proper target at the tylium processing plant.

Chief had his first experience with projection—and it’s in a domestic setting, one that he and Boomer had floorplans for—just like Gaius’s experiences with Head Six were first in a house, his house.  And they had a kid to stare at, too, just like Six and Gaius did!  After seeing Kara’s reactions with Piano Dad, I can’t really see a lot of difference between her experience and Gaius’s running relationship with Head Six and occasionally with Head Gaius.  (Except for the Sexy Times, and please, I’ve had enough weird incest for one show.)

Is he half-Cylon?  Is he another version of Daniel (which would lead to more weird incest on top of the awkward left over from that time with Kara)?  Maybe Cavil built a model in secret (I’m really hoping they don’t go that route, but if Cavil planted all the others with such precision, maybe…)?

For me, that was the most compelling part of the Boomer-Chief parts—the way their projections unfolded suggested that we would have to hear about Baltar, so when we finally get some answers it won’t be “Well, you know about Kara, it’s time to learn about whoever’s next on the list.”  And it was done artfully, unlike the soap opera and overwhelming exposition we’ve been treated to, with as much subtlety as we saw in the best parts of the mutiny arc.

Comment #25: birdonabeam  on  02/28  at  06:31 PM

But my big problem with the Kara being half cylon theory is that it doesn’t explain how she could have found her body on Earth.

That might be the only way she could be reborn.  Maybe human-Cylon hybrids regenerate without technology.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/28  at  07:12 PM

although I’ve always enjoyed the fact that though the protagonists of the series are human, the show itself is named after a machine).

So was “Firefly”.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/28  at  07:13 PM

Do we KNOW that Cavil wanted Hera?  Maybe Boomer wanted her for herself…

Comment #28: Woodrowfan  on  02/28  at  07:17 PM

“That might be the only way she could be reborn.  Maybe human-Cylon hybrids regenerate without technology. “
hmmm…maybe, but what about her spaceship? It’s not a raider or half-cylon, how come there are two of those?
What if she is more connected biologically to the Lords of Kobol (whatever they were) then the humans or cylons? I’m betting that the Lords of Kobol are some other kind of cylon/machine/human hybrid that is somehow orchestrating much of what goes on in the show. They still need to explain the relationship of Earth to Kobol and the back story of the humans and cylons there and why they separated. I think the Lords of Kobol are the big missing piece that is going to tie all the loose ends together.

Comment #29: AdamN  on  02/28  at  07:53 PM

Do we KNOW that Cavil wanted Hera?  Maybe Boomer wanted her for herself…

At the end of the episode, where Ellen and Tigh are talking in the day care Ellen says that it must have been planned all along by Cavil to steal Hera. Though Boomer would’ve needed a bargaining chip if she was going to go back to Cavil (since she was going to be tried and probably killed by the rebel cylons anyway Cavil might’ve seemed like a better option).

Comment #30: UltraMagnus  on  02/28  at  08:25 PM

There’s not much else to say about the piano sequence, except they genuinely surprised me with the fact that it was all a hallucination of Kara’s.

Huh? I didn’t catch that.

Comment #31: Doug S.  on  02/28  at  08:57 PM

Now that we know about cylon projection, what have we seen to date that also might be cylon projection? Kara’s death, for example? A scorched Earth? Mounds of human skulls on Kobol?

The “Leobon” who wasn’t Leobon—the one who took Kara back to her mother’s deathbed was probably cylon projecting. Maybe that was Daniel, too.

Cylon projection gives the writers the ability to backtrack on everything that’s happened thus far.

As for that body Kara found on Earth, has anyone else noticed that the skull is completely burned, but somehow the hair is still intact?

Comment #32: Roxanne  on  02/28  at  09:12 PM

Huh? I didn’t catch that.

The piano man wasn’t in the final bar scene when Tigh asked Kara how she knew that song.

Comment #33: Roxanne  on  02/28  at  09:13 PM

I am guessing though, that Roslin is actually just dead.  We’ll find out!

Comment #34: Mandos  on  02/28  at  09:26 PM

My guess is that Galactica herself will be the final sacrifice that somehow brings peace.  Adama and -  what the hell, I’ll go for it - Baltar go down with the ship in such a way that we either get peace or, more likely, a sense that this story is set up to repeat again in a few thousand years.

I have my doubts about Cavil’s evil genious manipulating everything.  That seems to glib.  “Fate” as always meant something, particularly to the Cylons who are suck in the wheel of samsara.  I think we’ll find out something about fate/destiny in the final eps.

Comment #35: Hawes  on  02/28  at  09:34 PM

“Cylon projection gives the writers the ability to backtrack on everything that’s happened thus far. “
I’m hoping that they don’t get that out of control with it, that would kind of wreck the series.
Projection does seem to point toward an explanations for Baltar and Six’s head versions of themselves, Kara’s piano player, as well as the shared opera house dream that Roslin, Six and Athena had though. But who is controlling these projections? I’m sure its someone we haven’t seen yet. The Lords of Kobol?

Comment #36: AdamN  on  02/28  at  09:38 PM

You have to actually be a Cylon to see a Cylon projection, though; the way they explained it, it’s like an elaborate form of daydreaming, although it’s not like this series has ever really been all that consistent.

Comment #37: Doug S.  on  02/28  at  10:01 PM

Now that we know about cylon projection, what have we seen to date that also might be cylon projection?

Not really.  We’ve known about Cylon projection for a long long time.  They first really went in to depth about it with Baltar, especially when he first moved to the Baseship.  Its limits have always seemed to pretty clearly preclude it from doing any of the things you’re talking about. 

Baltar seems to be the only human who can Project (Kara doesn’t count, being half-Cylon).  It projects an image for the Cylon in question, and maybe for one or two others in physical contact with one another.  It’s not like one Cylon can create a mirage which will fool everyone.  Kara wasn’t being projected to, she was projecting the vision of her father on her own, likely subconsciously because she noticed the piano.

Comment #38: rufustfyrfly  on  02/28  at  10:01 PM

It’s just a question of time before they abandon Galactica for the cylon base ship.

Comment #39: soapdish  on  02/28  at  11:22 PM

I had thought that the fact there were 12 Olympian gods meant that somehow the 12 humanoid Cylons of the previous cycle had been the basis for the Lords of Cobol. Playing with the idea of whether god created man or man created god, in a way.

With the idea of everything having happened before I thought perhaps they were stuck in some kind of loop and are condemned to repeat it endlessly until they achieve some final resolution and can finally move forward. A kind of riff on ‘Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.’
The idea of existence endlessly repeating itself just strikes me as a glitch rather than a law of the universe. There something unsatisfying about it.

Introducing a 13th Cylon into it kind of throws that theory out of whack, though.

Comment #40: Childe O' Grace  on  03/01  at  12:41 AM

I noticed as Boomer boards the raptor at the end she asks Tyrol to come with her. What do we think of that?

Comment #41: NickelDiamer  on  03/01  at  12:49 AM

So was “Firefly”.

Babylon 5. Red Dwarf. Farscape too, in a sense. Lexx was named after a vessel as well, but not a mechanical one.

Comment #42: Sarcastro  on  03/01  at  01:27 AM

Tyrol = one of the FF that Cavil/One might hope could rebuild his resurrection.  Or extra hostage.

Comment #43: Mandos  on  03/01  at  02:10 AM

Okay so there is one tube of toothpaste left in existence but an endless supply of cigarettes and scotch?

Comment #44: Colorado Dave  on  03/01  at  02:36 AM

“Do we KNOW that Cavil wanted Hera?  Maybe Boomer wanted her for herself…”

“At the end of the episode, where Ellen and Tigh are talking in the day care Ellen says that it must have been planned all along by Cavil to steal Hera.”

I don’t think that means that Cavil definitely wanted Hera all along. Ellen may have been an all-knowing character in No Exit, explaining all the history/mythology to us, but in terms of current events I don’t think she has much more information than any other characters. Just because she says Cavil must have planned it doesn’t mean he actually did plan it. Boomer’s been interested in Hera for a long time, I can see it being something she did on her own initiative, and running back to Cavil because she can’t stay in the fleet.

Comment #45: Raine  on  03/01  at  02:39 AM

Agree with Hawes;

Classic naval tactics concerning a vessel that is no longer seaworthy is hang it out to dry as bait for the opposition to reveal its position or to absorb a strike attempt out of proportion to what’s needed. Or going back to 17/18th century they would use her as a fire ship; fling her into to Cylon fleet using the FTL to collide or explode near Cylon ships.

Someone should start a board to wager on who wants to go on Galactica’s final mission; Adama, Roslin, Tigh, Baltar for sure, they don’t want to live with the decisions and the mistakes they made.

The uncertainty of the Kara plot is really the glue that is holding the story together; resurrected Cylon sure but where did she pick up the mint condition Viper? Either there’s a storage facility out there or one hell of a custom fabricator shop; explaining that and the hallucinatory Caprica Six and Baltar bit are the only redemption to be had from all the woo-woo we were subjected to in seasons 3 and 4.

Comment #46: The Pale Scot  on  03/01  at  02:50 AM

Galactica is the “dying leader” that does not make it to the “Promised Land”.

Comment #47: AlanB  on  03/01  at  03:22 AM

<quote>You have to actually be a Cylon to see a Cylon projection, though; the way they explained it, it’s like an elaborate form of daydreaming, although it’s not like this series has ever really been all that consistent. </quote>

False.

Baltar went to Projection World with his Cylon Lover many many times.

Comment #48: Uhura, The Black Gurl  on  03/01  at  02:24 PM

Test

Comment #49: Uhura, The Black Gurl  on  03/01  at  02:24 PM

It might be possible that Baltar is also half-Cylon.  He seems to be of an age with Kara, and it’s possible that other human-model Cylons were active in the Colonies at that point.  Also, going back to the miniseries, it would explain how he managed to survive what appears to be his house getting nuked.

Comment #50: Andy  on  03/01  at  04:46 PM

I seem to recall at least one time where Adama seemed to be experiencing something very similar to the cylon projection to speak to his dead wife.

Comment #51: Mark Temporis  on  03/01  at  06:23 PM

If Baltar is half-Cylon, then a lot of things can be explained:

Dunno about his survival—do you mean Cylons are tough? Because Six (later to be known as “Caprica-Six”) didn’t physically survive. I think you mean Baltar didn’t either, but was resurrected. (See, all that Catholic school was good for something—I can spell “resurrection,” though I want to capitalize it…) However, this would be mighty hard to fit into the timeline of the miniseries—it seemed that within hours he was picked up by Helo and Boomer (the former actually staying on Caprica to make room for the esteemed Dr Baltar) so that would imply either that half-Cylons resurrect damn fast AND whoever did it censored his memory and then placed him, with appropriate scars, bruises, and burns, on the path from his former home to the place Boomer landed.

Or, what I thought always happened, he physically survived because Caprica-Six covered him with her body.

But—Head-Six, Caprica’s Head-Baltar, Kara’s Head-Daniel. Perhaps a suspectability to developing elaborate, semi (or completely!) autonomous, permanent projections is a side-effect of being half-Cylon; the projection machinery “gets stuck” as it were, and cross-connects to other brain activities that in standard Cylons are neatly compartmentalized away, affording a platform for an ongoing simulation of another person complete with personality.

As I have speculated before, I think there is a bit more to it—that Baltar’s Head-Six in particular actually knows stuff that Baltar didn’t, and is in fact a different person, an actual image of the original Cylon woman he used to date. I think she got flash-projected onto his mind when she died literally right on top of him and the resurrection mechanism activated; Baltar’s head was sort of in the way, or at any rate very near the origin of the upload, and he got a copy which his brain sorted out into a second person running concurrently with himself. And somehow vice-versa—the uploading personality of Caprica-Six got an image of Baltar’s mind and started to run it.

These speculations certainly make more sense and are less ad-hoc if we suppose Baltar is really half-Cylon.

Now for Kara—if her father Daniel were somewhere nearby when her original body was killed, the same thing could have happened with them, and she was uploaded then downloaded, perhaps in some machinery that had nothing to do with the current generation of Cylons’ own machines. The objections to Baltar being a copy don’t apply here because this is all speculative and happened off-stage; whoever or whatever had days, even weeks or months, of unaccounted for time to receive an upload, manipulate the new Kara’s body and memories, fabricate a new Viper, and plant them to intercept the Fleet.

The fact that the latter thing happened at the same time as the four of the “final Five” who were in the Fleet at the time got “activated” with the song, and that this song is now recurring, suggests that all of this was done by the same offstage entity, presumably Daniel or someone Daniel is involved with (LoK, whoever).

If we combine “projection” (which generally seems to be more the opposite, “introspection,” but clearly can have an active projecting function, at least to partial Cylons) with the known fact of resurrection technology and the implications of massive and effectively instantaneous data transfer across interstellar distances, we can explain a lot.

More on this:

Comment #52: Mark Foxwell  on  03/01  at  06:42 PM

Continued from previous rock…

I don’t think we can guess that any damn thing that happened to anybody anytime could be projection. In order for what amounts to an artificially created and controlled hallucination to be taken for reality, everyone who has direct experience that might contradict the message of the projection has to be projected to; the projections have to match up; no one must ever wander back to the places or things that were falsified. All this is true even if Cylon projection works just fine on ordinary “humans” (and I am not sure why it shouldn’t). If there are issues with it only working with people who are at least part Cylon, obviously only stuff that happens to them can be explained in this way.

In any case I just think the sheer logistical difficulty of organizing a mass hallucination for the entire Colonial Fleet population is too much—not so much that Cavil et al could never have done that; more like, if he could do that, presumably it would have been much easier to do something more direct a long time ago. In order to manage a projection you’d need feedback from the subject; with the entire 40,000 Colonials as subjects and therefore as spycams mental hidden microphones, Cavil would have been effectively omniscient.

And if he wanted the Colonials dead, he could have just arranged for them to “find” a much more attractive planet to settle than New Caprica was, one that is actually the surface of a star. Ship by ship they’d “land,” ignoring the heating of the hull, the sleet of radiation, and the eventual, inevitable incineration of their ship around them, then Cavil would fake their transmissions and if necessary project the victims in person back on the other ships until they all unsuspectingly immolated themselves.

That’s one quick scenario; an easier one still would involve creating civil war among the Colonials until they’d blasted themselves out of existence.

I just think the projection thing has to be limited in various ways; in particular it seems that generally, a person experiencing one senses on some level or other that this isn’t actual reality.

The series is full of individuals having weird delusions/hallucinations/prophetic visions—not just Kara and Baltar, but Roslin herself, and that pagan priestess D’Anna visited. In fact Colonial society just seems to accept prophetic vision as a fact.

Could be Cylon “projection” is largely a refinement of some basic human psychic ability. Could be that as all the people in the series are in some sense descended from someone or other’s Cylons, they all have real abilities we only imagine or pretend we have.

Comment #53: Mark Foxwell  on  03/01  at  06:44 PM

Oh, and Amanda:

I was so late joining the thread because I had no chance to watch until this morning.

You totally called it. Yay for you!

If you are wrong we’re both wrong and we’ll look silly together. But I don’t think you were wrong.

Comment #54: Mark Foxwell  on  03/01  at  06:53 PM

The idea expressed that Baltar may be half cylon triggered another thought.  If the Daniels were able to procreate before they were destroyed, couldn’t Kara, Baltar, or even Bill Adama already have cylon genes?  They don’t have to be “half cylon”, but a bunch of them could be part Cylon.  Also, since Daniel is number 7, who is the seventh son of the seventh son?  I would bet that would be the “joker” from “All Along the Watchtower”.  I think I have gone off the deep end with BSG!

Comment #55: AlanB  on  03/01  at  08:53 PM

They don’t have to be “half cylon”, but a bunch of them could be part Cylon.

This is interesting, AlanB.  It would certainly take the pressure off Hera—and give them a way to find her.  If she has special innate knowledge with which to navigate the stars, the others do, and then they can find her and get her back to the Fighting Agathons.

The last TWOP recaplet commented on how there are only four hours left, asking where the momentum is, and I have to agree that lately with the soap opera drama BSG hasn’t felt like its about to end.

The show has been challenging the characters and viewers to resolve the differences between Cylons and humans.  There’s never really been good guys and bad guys on this show—and if this is leading up to the revelation that Cylon and human genes are not just crossed in Hera, but have been for a while, that would lead to perhaps what is a different kind of finale than the one I’ve been anticipating, but it might lead to some true reconciliation and fusion between the Cylons and humans that I would find satisfying and true to the intelligence of the show.  (And as far as huge climatic endings go, there’s always Cavil.)

But I really doubt that the older characters on the show, like Adama, are going to have some Cylon ancestry unless there’s some other twist coming up, because the Final Five didn’t give the Centurions the technology until the First Cylon War—which means everyone who could be genetically hybrid would have to be under forty at the start of this mess.

Comment #56: birdonabeam  on  03/01  at  09:17 PM

Now we know why Kara’s mother broke all of her fingers.  (I wonder if her new body still has evidence of the broken fingers?  I would expect so since it has her tattoos too, but that would make her resurrection even more special that normal cylon resurrection.  My understanding is cylon skin jobs go back into pristine bodies.  Maybe the miracle Anders is talking about is Kara-style resurrection for everyone?)

I’m still rooting for Anders to either wake up as Daniel, or be connected/able to see Daniel.

Another idea is that Daniel isn’t corporeal anymore.  Assume all of his bodies were destroyed, then Cavil killed him in the Colonies, being incapable of resurrection maybe he made some transition into a Head Six / Head Baltar type of being.  Which would have made it impossible for him to return to his family.  Maybe Kara’s mom became aware of his cylon nature when Cavil had him killed.  Kara will have to come to grips with the real Daniel, especially since she’s spent so much time pursuing other father-type figures (the long sorta-father arc with Bill Adama that seemed to end after her resurrection).

I actually can’t hate Boomer much though.  I think she seduced Helo to both get pregnant and stick it to Athena.  She’s obviously bitter as hell that the cylons programmed her to be a double-crosser but let Athena seduce Helo and get the dream child—an echo of the bitterness in the Six that beat the crap out of Athena on Caprica in the setup to Helo’s first seduction.  Plus she gets to screw Galen after all the crap he gave her—racist toaster bullshit followed by marrying her Jack Ruby-style murderer.  This final double-cross probably gives her some “closure” on all the people she would say wronged her.  Unless she plans to kill Cavil too…actually that would make a lot of sense:  we’d have Athena vs Boomer with Hera as the prize.

Kind of nice to see Madam President’s tragic flaw revealed yet again:  she viscerally hates Boomer and fucked over Athena by kidnapping Hera out of spite for Boomer.  Good to see her realize that she had done it again.  I think we can see that she should have just left Boomer in the brig for a few months and tried to get information out of her.

As for Hera, I have never seen that kid get weirded out when crap happens to her.  Sixes will probably rescue her.  “The Colony” with the FF resurrection lab on it is probably a) habitable, b) pointed to by Hera’s drawing, and c) where Cavil is waiting for the FF to arrive and restore resurrection in return for Hera.

I’m predicting a final standoff at The Colony where we’ll see the third force reveal its hand through Hera, Cavil will be killed, Boomer will be killed, Roslin will die, Galactica will be destroyed, and everyone else will find a planet to live on.  Kara will want to go for broke and kill the enemy (harbinger of death), Adama will override her wishes (not follow her), and everyone will survive.  The open questions will be whether FTL and/or resurrection survive the final showdown.

But if Cavil had planned the Boomer-take-Hera angle all along, I gotta give him props as the most cunning villain we’ve seen in a long while.

Comment #57: boring old dude  on  03/01  at  11:26 PM

Should also add:  “The Colony” may just be the Cylon homeworld alluded to in the first season.  Maybe the Cylons settled a world just long enough for the FF to put together the Hub and then became a purely spaceborne race afterwards.

Comment #58: boring old dude  on  03/02  at  07:50 AM

I’m still on board with your Daniel = Starbuck’s dad theory.

Speaking of projecting, maybe the strange activity in Anders’ brain is because he’s projecting, and Hera and Starbuck were both picking up on it?

I love that they brought back felgercarb from the old show.

Comment #59: NoJoy  on  03/02  at  12:43 PM
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