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Screw around, ladies! Makes you more moral than a douchey Times columnist

Jesse touched on Ross Douthat’s latest excretion yesterday (summary: yes, killing doctors rape victims dying women blah blah, but did you know YOUNG WOMEN ARE FUCKING AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT?), and it was so exhausting to read Douthat’s lies and innuendo that I was really happy that other bloggers were all over it, because I really didn’t have the energy to push back against his blatant lying about the focus of anti-choice activism two days after Barbara Maha pushes back against Ross Douthat’s “moral” objections to elective abortions—-which he disingenuously declines to explain are almost all done in the first trimester, with a small percentage in the early 2nd trimester—-by arguing that a civil society doesn’t legislate every behavior we consider immoral.

No, the purpose of law is to maintain conditions that allow civilizations and societies to exist and function, not to enforce morality. As I’ve argued elsewhere, many things are immoral that should not necessarily be illegal. Most of us consider adultery to be immoral, for example. But as a people who respect personal freedom, we generally think that matters involving sexual acts between consenting adults are not the government’s business.

She’s got a good point, but I’m going to go a step further and argue that not only do most people not think that the behavior that Douthat really objects to—-women having sex without Douthat’s permission—-but the actual immoral behavior here is Douthat’s.  But it’s true that I think lying, and sleazing around like a pervert whose desire to control and whose voyeurism slide seamlessly into each other should not be banned by the government until that point where your voyeurism/control issues create a situation where you directly try to control a woman by stalking, harassment, or violence.  So far, Douthat works his urges out by spewing bullshit at the NY Times, and that should remain legal, though it’s highly immoral.

I’m not comfortable putting women who allow semen near their nethers without submitting to marriage or childbirth in the same category as adulterers.  Mostly, adultery falls out of my range of moral behavior, because it involves lying and cheating, and I’m not comfortable with that.  But the vast majority of the time, women who use contraception or abortion to avoid becoming mothers right now with this guy (though later with this guy or another is often in the cards, or in the past) are making the most moral choice.  Douthat would deprive women of the right to be the best, most moral people they can be, and instead subject them to unhappy marriages or social ostracism (it’s a right wing fantasy that they can re-stigmatize single motherhood to achieve their goals, something Douthat has also petitioned for) because….?  Because women are so devalued in his eyes that their happiness must be sacrificed to please the whims of the social miscreants and perverts that rail against women’s basic rights, particularly the oh-so-fun mix that shows up to protest and threaten clinics, which Professor Foxy described so well.

When I started, almost all of the antis were 45 plus, white, male and slightly disheveled. These antis still exist, but they are now joined by the younger antis. Some of these younger antis are hip, especially the Bound for Life crowd. We also have many, many students who come from local colleges, the most prominent being Christendom College…..

These antis are young and fresh faced. Most of them come from home schooling backgrounds. They are usually white and dressed very conservatively: the boys in khakis and pressed shirts and the girls in full-length denim and flowered shirts with hair flowing down their backs.

So, a mix of bitter men with personality issues that made it hard for them to charm a woman into sexual and domestic service, and they blame feminism for making it hard to nail someone down after a drunken mistake, naive kids, and people who’ve sold out their own selves to a strict patriarchy and resent anyone who hasn’t.

If you believe women have value, then there’s no real debate about whether or not it’s moral for a woman to protect herself from giving birth until she’s quite sure about the timing and the man involved. Of course, this reality confuses people who think that the genders are in constant war with each other, and therefore if women aren’t being nailed down by unwanted childbirth, then men lose out.  Or if a man doesn’t really see himself committing to this woman right now, the woman loses out.  This, of course, is utter bullshit.  The ugly reality that anti-choicers try to conceal is that most of the time, most heterosexual encounters have the people involved on roughly the same page, especially when it comes to marriage and childbirth.  Sure, there’s cases where one party wants to keep it light and the other wants to explore a relationship, but almost never does that mean that the other is ready to sign up for tying that person to them with a kid.  Because having a kid is a big deal.  And even couples in committed relationships who want children together don’t necessarily see that as something that they should be open to any old time, as Douthat and his would have them be.  Men and women’s interests dovetail pretty nicely on the subject of whether or not it’s moral for a woman to risk bearing a child every time she has sex.  And both genders resoundingly believe that it is moral, even if they’re more afraid to say it quite like that then they are to praise pot-smoking as a fine way to spend their time.

What’s immoral is spouting off and even lying to support a worldview that’s anti-man, anti-woman, anti-child (since they do much better when they’re wanted), and just generally anti-human. All these discussions that cast birth control and elective abortion in this seedy light are predicated on the notion that sex is morally suspect, and why?  Because it feels good? Look—-our world is a harsh one even in good times, and especially nowadays.  People feel disconnected, overworked, and oftentimes numb.  In that environment, not only is sexual pleasure a good thing, it’s the sort of self-care that we should see as a strong moral good.  The hostility to sex belies the moniker “pro-life” as much as the casual support for terrorism.  Being pro-sex is about believing that life is for living, not something to drudge through miserably in the faint, unrealistic hope that there’s some reward in the afterworld for depriving ourselves in this one.  As far as pleasures go, sex should top the list of morality.  True, like most things, it can be abused, but most of the time it’s a pleasure that doesn’t do anything bad to the environment, doesn’t hurt anyone else (and practiced correctly, improves at least one other person’s day), and, in the grand American tradition, is a healthful practice that should have a veneer of morality just for that, especially since conservatives and liberals agree that reaching your target heart rate on a regular basis is a valuable practice, if difficult to maintain in our sedentary society.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:59 PM • (23) Comments

but then people who are miserable would lose company!

we can’t have that.

Comment #1: shah8  on  06/10  at  07:25 PM

Urgh, I’m so tired of the ridiculousness.  Because, you know, I’m married, I’m white, and my husband and I would like to have a baby!  (One, really, maybe two on the outside.)  But as it happens, I provide all of that bread-winning and health insurance, and though I loathe my job, since my husband got laid off back in September ‘08, I need to either find another or wait until it’s a reasonable time, because you can’t beat having health insurance, ESPECIALLY if you want to have a baby.  Plus I’m only a year out from removing my cancer and with my history of bloodclots and whatnot, it’s going to have to be a carefully chosen and monitered time.  And I’m fucking white and married and want to have a baby!  I do!  If we could try to have one now we would!  But it’s completely unreasonable given our current life cicrumstance, and we want our children to be WANTED.

Douchehat can just go fuck himself.  Not that I think anyone else would fuck him, but you know, expressions.

Comment #2: Mimi  on  06/10  at  07:26 PM

I’m still reading this, but, this:  :“They are usually white and dressed very conservatively: the boys in khakis and pressed shirts and the girls in full-length denim and flowered shirts with hair flowing down their backs”  really makes me want to cut my hair, which is very long right now.

Comment #3: Lady Vader  on  06/10  at  07:31 PM

What I don’t understand is why this asshole is always writing columns about women, a subject which he would shy away from out of sheer shame after his absolutely jaw-dropping “OMG her breasts touched me!” publication.  The second thing I really don’t understand is why the NY Times has this guy, who is clearly a freak and misogynist on the highest-valued op-ed real estate in our country.  That second part really pisses me off.  A doughy-faced woman-hating classic repressed case gets to jerk off every week on prime opinion-forming real estate.

Comment #4: Lady Vader  on  06/10  at  07:37 PM

I think Tom Tomorrow summed it up pretty well:

http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/06/09/tomo/index.html

Comment #5: pablo  on  06/10  at  07:46 PM

I’m still reading this, but, this:  :“They are usually white and dressed very conservatively: the boys in khakis and pressed shirts and the girls in full-length denim and flowered shirts with hair flowing down their backs” really makes me want to cut my hair, which is very long right now.

Makes me want to proudly leave mine down* so as to inform them that they don’t have a monopoly on my favorite hairstyle.  There’s something delightfully “fuck-you” about turning their ideals to my own use for my own purposes.

*I tend to put it up before entering situations that might devolve into a physical confrontation.  Not that I’m all that good at predicting it, but facing off with anti-abortion protesters falls into the category of “there might potentially be a fight, or there might be a slut-shaming whackjob who decides to come up and cut it off simply to deprive me of something I have and like.  (Paranoid, yes, but I had classmates threatening to do this through much of high school, and once bitten, twice shy.)

Comment #6: Kyra  on  06/10  at  08:24 PM

I highly recommend reading the whole post by Professor Foxy, because one couple wearing the Christianist uniform goes into the memorial, and she follows to make sure they aren’t trouble, and it turns out the woman was coming to pay her respects…..because she was a patient of Dr. Tiller’s.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/10  at  08:36 PM

Anyone else up for dying their hair a loud, obnoxious anime-character color and letting it flow down their backs? I usually go for a blood red…

Comment #8: thecynicalromantic  on  06/10  at  08:39 PM

Just one side note: let’s not buy into the wingnut notion that the Times is a liberal paper. Centrist, sure. Moderate, maybe. Establishment, almost tautologically. But liberal, with a few periods of exception (and even then for a definition of liberal that anyone to the left of Jim Sessions would probably feel comfortable with) not really.

Comment #9: paul  on  06/10  at  09:23 PM

thanks for this Amanda.

Comment #10: Danica Lefse Queen  on  06/11  at  03:02 AM

I don’t get all the hate for birth control, condoms (ok, i can kinda understand this from a guy’s perspective ; )), i.u.d’s etc. sex with a greatly reduced chance of baby seems like a winning situation to me. ‘course, not that i don’t like babies, it’s just that the little barfy poop-squirters are a ton of work and responsibility.

“really makes me want to cut my hair, which is very long right now.”
Caton on 06/10 at 06:31 PM

Caton, if you do decide to cut your hair, I recommend finding a stylist/barber that does hair donations for Locks of Love. I’ve been growing my hair and then donating it for a few years now, as a way to give at least a little bit back to humanity.

Comment #11: The Gray Train  on  06/11  at  03:04 AM

my hair is almost to my knees. it is *my* hair, it is my one"thing” - i don’t wear nailpolish or get waxed or anything. plus, i am really lazy and it takes all of 5 seconds to throw my hair into a bun that looks good.

re: lock of love - find a different donation that does the same thing, is my advice, because locks of love isn’t as cool as they claim to be. cool idea; they seem to have a bad follow-thru. also, you have to donate a minimum of 10 inches for your hair to even *qualify*, but most places that work with locks of love don’t advertise that, so you think you are doing something and you aren’t (and i have seen places that charge more when one is donating, even if the hair itself doesn’t get donated. it makes sense to charge more, because you have to keep track of the hair, etc, but many of the places that charge more do so even when they know you aren’t cutting off enough to donate.) i know that there are charities that specialize in this that aren’t locks of love. maybe i just had bad experiences when i have tried.

i do know i am sick of random strangers telling me i should donate all my hair to locks of love.


re: sex. sex the THE best exercise. i mean this quite literally - sex burns more calories per minute than ANY OTHER FORM OF EXERCISE.

really, doctors should be advocating sex to every adult patient.

Comment #12: denelian  on  06/11  at  04:12 AM

denelian, source? I mean on the exercise, not the Locks of Love. I’m sure I read in a mainstream magazine, though I don’t know the name, that doctors measured several couples’ oxygen burn and the average is only equivalent to walking up a couple flights of stairs.

I think the chemical releases, though, probably make it very healthy.

Comment #13: Samantha Vimes  on  06/11  at  06:34 AM

“Some of these younger antis are hip… the boys in khakis and pressed shirts and the girls in full-length denim “

Yes, nothing says “hip” like pressed shirts and full length denim.

Comment #14: Ginger Yellow  on  06/11  at  06:34 AM

Samantha - doesn’t it matter exactly what form of sex one is having? There’s some pretty darn acrobatic options out there!

(I kinda dispute that anything other than some extreme “Professional actors on a closed set, do not try this at home” porn is going to compete with, say triathalon or cliff climbing.)

Maybe they mean those last few seconds in and around the orgasm? On a per-minute basis, I might buy that, but I think the average marathon lasts longer than the average orgasm. Just sayin’.

Comment #15: Lymis  on  06/11  at  08:43 AM

really, doctors should be advocating sex to every adult patient.

I disagree. Doctors should shut the fuck up and let patients decide for themselves if they want to have sex, just like any other reasonable human being. Spending half an hour on the treadmill when you don’t really want to might be boring, but it is a hell of a lot less invasive than screwing somebody you don’t really want to just because it’s ‘healthy’. And while I know this blog prefers to focus on the anti-sex wingnut noise machine, please don’t forget that society ALSO has a pretty loud noise machine demanding that people go out and find ‘somebody’ otherwise you’re a sad, lonely loser and incomplete human being etc etc etc. The last thing anyone not getting laid, by choice or otherwise, needs is somebody bitching at them to change that, and that doesn’t change if the bitcher has a medical degree.

Comment #16: thecynicalromantic  on  06/11  at  09:03 AM

I grew my hair for a couple of years, and the salon I went to cut my hair *free of charge* if I donated. It was long enough, they got two sets (they only wanted 6” per). It was fine by me, and they do my husband’s hair too. He’s got an unusual hair type for his skin color, so curly it looks African, which he’s not, and they don’t usually know what do to do with it here in red-county California (Eastern foothills-Gold country).

Comment #17: KMac  on  06/11  at  09:56 AM

I don’t get all the hate for birth control, condoms (ok, i can kinda understand this from a guy’s perspective ; )), i.u.d’s etc.

The thing is, a lot of wingnuts just don’t know how birth control works (big surprise there).  Somehow they got this idea that if women use hormonal contraception (like the patch), they will still release eggs which will be fertilized and then aborted by birth control and then we lose all those precious unicellular baybeez.  The pill doesn’t actually work this way, but someone told them it does.

Of course, and even bigger reason is that women can have sex and no one will ever find out about it.  That means wingnut men won’t be able to get married because no woman would marry them unless she were shamed into it.  From the female wingnuts’ point-of-view, they consider women to be “complimentary” to men and they truly believe that they need a man to support them.  So if there’s no fear of pregnancy from sex, they fear that their daughters will have more sex, and then they’ll never find a man to support them once they’ve been ruined.

Comment #18: bananacat  on  06/11  at  10:25 AM

They “believe” that, catgirl, because it’s easier to sell their bullshit as BAYBEEZ to beginners.  Once in the club, they’ll be freer with the idea that contraception is inherently evil, regardless of how it works.

Comment #19: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  10:35 AM

I think the hatred for contraception is simpler than that. The wingnuts read Genesis 3:16 “I will greatly increase thy travail and thy pregnancy; with pain thou shalt bear children” and think that’s the best damn thing they ever heard.

One of the lesser tenets of old-style crazy christianity is that before The Fall, Adam and Eve may have had sex, but it was all, like, butterflies and kittens and fairies (except oops, fairies are evil pagan works of the devil and we should never let our kids read any books that have them), or anyway it was completely ethereal and no one grunted or sweated or had anything but the most gentle angel-puff orgasms. Then Eve bit into that apple and sex became dirty, animalistic, raunchy and shameful. So of course women should be punished every time they have it…

Comment #20: paul  on  06/11  at  11:48 AM

Of course, and even bigger reason is that women can have sex and no one will ever find out about it. 

Alternatively, that they will have sex when and as they see fit, without shame or fear.  How are you supposed to control the dirty whores if there’s no fear or shame involved?

Comment #21: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/11  at  01:52 PM

Probably no one here will be greatly surprised that Will Saletan seems to think Douthat is just swell.

Comment #22: kaninchen  on  06/11  at  05:35 PM

thecynicalromantic;
i didn’t mean it that way.
what i meant - and i could have been a hell of a lot clearer - is that most USian doctors have bought into the whole line that “sex is sinful” and, and best, ignore SEX (not reproduction - they’ll talk about that, but the actual sex? the stuff that isn’t just sperm meeting egg?) and all the things that surround it. example the first; i was put on an SSRI to deal with fibromalgia. it drastically lowered my libido. i complained and asked for a different SSRI. i was told no, because my libdo didn’t matter. example the second; i know a guy who *hurt* every time he orgasmed. his doctor tested for UTI type stuff and STDs, didn’t find anything, and stopped looking. male friend wanted him to *find out what was wrong*. doctor wouldn’t look any further, because it *only* hurt when he orgasmed, and he could just not orgasm and be fine. except friend liked orgasms, before they hurt. friend is still looking for a doctor to take him seriously.
doctors don’t take sex-that-isn’t-for-reproduction seriously - they will pay attention to infertility, rape, STDs, and erectile disfuntion in rich men. that’s about it.
and so i think doctors should read up on the good things about sex - beyond that it’s fun, i have read studies that sex improves the immune system, helps battle depression, is great exercise, and so.
when i say that i think doctors should advocate sex, i am saying that they should stop acting with disaproval towards sex and think about the positive benefits that accrue for those that are able to engage in happy, recreational sex. not that doctors should push sex in the same manner they push aerobics.

Samantha - there is such a study, that we studied in a forensics class two years ago - it was a “bang-for-your-buck” sort of thing, an orgasm burns something like 730 calories. just orgasm. it was in a text book - i will try and find the text book (the ones i still have from then are packed, i will have to go digging).
it just stuck in my head perfectly, because at the time i said “that’s just strange - in the average sexual encounter, then, men will burn 730 calories and women will burn 2190” and everyone in the class just stared at me for three full seconds before bursting into laughter. it took me a good 30 seconds to get why they were laughing. so, as i say, it stuck smile
other than that specific fact (orgasm burning 730 calories on average) i remember that sex, on average (i assume missionary position?) was the equivilent to hard aerobics for men, and swimming for women, because acording to the study men do more physically during sex than women.

Comment #23: denelian  on  06/12  at  05:36 AM

I really didn’t have the energy to push back against his blatant lying about the focus of anti-choice activism two days after one of their semi-annual protests to overturn Griswold v. Connecticut and get the birth control pill banned.

Hey guys, did you know that hormonal contraceptives have SIDE EFFECTS? I am shocked! I just rushed over to the kitchen and checked out my other medicine, and sure enough, they have side effects, too! Guess I better stop taking my bipolar meds! When I go crazy and leap onto the interstate, at least I (and everyone in the multicar pileup) won’t have died of liver problems. Probably.

/rolls eyes

Comment #24: Diane  on  06/13  at  05:03 PM
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