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Seriously, why are they so obsessed with rape metaphors?

I’m not usually one to do this, but I’m going to put the image I’m talking about below the fold at the bottom of this post, because it’s so gross I don’t want to foul up the front page of Pandagon.  And since we’re not really squeamish here, that’s saying a lot.  I wouldn’t post it at all, but it helps to understand the discussion if you can see it.  It’s a cartoon that Darleen Click of Protein Wisdom drew, and it shows Obama getting up after having just raped the Statue of Liberty, telling her she “consented” in 2008 by electing him while she sobs.  He also promises to come back to gang rape her with immigration reform, amongst other things. 

Jeff and SEK have posted on this, and both are sort of amazed that while Darleen acknowledged and tried to defend herself against the racism of the cartoon, the fact that this sort of joke about rape is pretty fucking sick didn’t seem to matter in the slightest.  I guess that should be more surprising coming from a woman, but I’ve dealt with Darleen before, and she’s the textbook example of a female misogynist.  So I’m not surprised.  About this, Jeff says:

I have, thankfully, never been a victim of sexual assault, but I’ve met my share of survivors, read their stories and done my best, as a compassionate human, to understand what the attacks have done to them, and to work as an ally to make sure that I stand against those who would minimize those attacks.

I cannot speak for anyone who’s suffered through the process of dealing with assault, but I’ve yet to see anyone who’s dealt first-hand with the issue see it as a metaphor to be drug out to describe political events. It’s far too personal for that. It’s like describing a zoning decision as a Holocaust — it’s just too big to be a metaphor.

Well, it’s not the bat signal, but I figure if Jeff wants the perspective of an actual rape survivor, which I’ve been open about being, then I’ll happily oblige.  The callousness to actual rape victims on display here is simply a more explicit version of a rhetorical trope that’s been in play since Obama took office, and has really escalated as the favorite metaphor used by conservatives to describe health care reform.  Maybe having gone through a literal sexual assault makes me a little quicker to pick up on this, or maybe it’s just really obvious, but the non-stop bleating about how health care reform is being shoved down various throats is a rape metaphor. In its most abstract, maybe not, but they dwell on it so much that it’s hard to forget that it’s a rape metaphor, even if it’s a mainstreamed one.  Every time Limbaugh squawks about having to bend over and take it?  Rape metaphor.  Rape is not only the favorite metaphor conservatives use for health care reform, it’s quickly becoming the only one. 

How does this make me feel?  I’m not really in a position to speak for most rape survivors, but what I personally feel is frustrated and pissed off.  Every time I hear a conservative use rape as a metaphor where they cast themselves as the hapless victims, I want to point out that this means all their rape apology crap is clearly that—-misogynist crap. 

Let me explain.  When it comes to actual rapes, the right wing position is that the problem of rape is way overblown, and that most rapes—-most anything that gets called a date or acquaintance rape—-aren’t a matter of men forcing themselves on women because they enjoy raping, but just bad sex that sluts regret later and therefore “cry rape”.  Take for instance the debate on the BBC where Heather MacDonald basically denied that the vast majority of campus rapes were actual rape.  It’s not fun having people imply to your face that you’re the sort of person who would lie about a good man for no reason except shame that you don’t have about sex or perhaps spite that you never felt towards the guy until he raped you.  But that’s the least of the problems with this narrative. The big one is that the narrative conservatives tell obscures the fact that rapists rape because they enjoy the power trip over their victims.  For whatever reason, a lot of right wingers like to push the idea that rape is a matter of innocent men getting mixed signals, which simply isn’t the reality of the situation. Rapists are predators and ordinary men are actually pretty good at understanding when a woman they’re on a date with isn’t into the sex.

But what’s both fascinating and frustrating is that when conservatives aren’t apologizing for actual rapists, it seems their understanding of what rape is reflects reality pretty well.  When they use rape metaphors when describing health care, they contextualize rape as a brutal crime, a display of power over the victim for the sheer pleasure of forcing her to submit.  This cartoon reflects this understanding; there’s no question that the Obama-rapist in the cartoon was confused about his Liberty-victim’s unwillingness to have sex with him.  In this cartoon, in fact, the Obama-rapist gets off on the sadistic pleasure of hurting her.  Which is like real life rape, but completely opposite of what conservatives say happens in these rape situations.

So, they clearly know what rape is all about, when they’re casting themselves as the victims.  But when real life women are real life victims of rape, suddenly they go stupid and think it’s all a matter of too much alcohol or mixed signals.  And that level of full-of-shitness pisses me off.

That they enjoy imagining themselves as the victims of a brutal metaphorical rape is the sort of fucked-up-ness that I can’t really wrap my mind around, but seems to be endemic in the hysterical wingnut population.  Anyway, if you want to see the cartoon, it’s below the fold.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:05 PM • (83) Comments

Makes me wonder what they would say if they ever did have something “shoved down their throat” against their will?  Or are their problems and situations, like the pro-life woman getting an abortion, “different”?

Comment #1: John  on  03/26  at  05:46 PM

You know, this is just awful.  Makes me wish I had not gone below the fold.

I know, we were warned.

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Comment #2: abo gato  on  03/26  at  05:54 PM

Well, duh, he’s a black man.  Look at the look on his face. That’s the only situation in which they understand rape. If it’s a white guy, it can’t be a rape because the bitch asked for it.

Comment #3: ginmar  on  03/26  at  05:56 PM

Eh, I’m off to have a shower now. This is beyond just being vile.

And of course, losing power through an election = gang rape

Comment #4: firefall  on  03/26  at  05:58 PM

I accidentally clicked through at another site yesterday and saw that.  You can’t help but wonder what the fuck is wrong with some people that they have to spend their whole life trying to figure out ways to piss people off for no reason.

Comment #5: Mnemosyne  on  03/26  at  05:58 PM

While obviously there is a lot of rape analogies there also is just the whole idea floating around that women get fucked and men do the fucking.  So the whole shoving down the throats or bending over is a bit about being made a into woman by being fucked and so they are emasculated.  And given the issues with manliness for the gun as phallic badge crowd its a potent image so to speak.  Now the Click thing is beyond that of course.

Comment #6: Robert  on  03/26  at  06:00 PM

I want to be a better person and while I would never wish rape on anyone, sometimes I am sorely tempted.

Yes, because having health care reform is JUST LIKE being held down and violated, and following YEARS of PTSD, hyper-awareness, insomnia, nightmares, trust issues and fear of intimacy.

Shit like this makes me so mad I want to kick someone.

Comment #7: GeekGirlsRule  on  03/26  at  06:03 PM

Yeah, they know what it is about. It is only a bad thing when it happens to them. When they’re in power, they saw what they were doing exactly the way they see what is being done to them. The tone of the Bush years, at best it was “elections matter” and at worst it was actually raping (and murdering) brown people. It is the lynch pin of their world view.

They are deeply fucked up. And their panic has a lot to do with how deeply they project their own psychologies onto us.

Comment #8: humanadverb  on  03/26  at  06:06 PM

It gets worse when you think about.

The cartoonist is pretty much projecting the reader into the position of “Mr. Nice Guy”..  America has hooked up with a guy somehow (the implied consent or 2008) and now is suffering becuase of it…

The continuation of the narritive is that she should just realize that there’s this “nice guy” (The GOP presumibly) that would be perfect for her if she just realized it.

So it triviliazes rape, blames the vicitim (for putting the rapists in a position of power in ‘08) and suggests that all she needs do to fix things is just hook up with the “right” guy.

Comment #9: SpotWeld  on  03/26  at  06:08 PM

So it trivializes rape, blames the victim (for putting the rapists in a position of power in ‘08) and suggests that all she needs do to fix things is just hook up with the “right” guy.

You know, I missed that the first time (probably because I was frantically clicking my mouse screaming, “Go AWAY spawn of Satan!”), but you’re absolutely right.  From this cartoon, it’s clear that the rape is Lady Liberty’s fault—after all, she brought the guy home with her.  She should have known what kind of guy he was.  But if she says she’s really really sorry for her foolish mistake and admits her error, the Republicans might find it in their hearts to “forgive” her and only berate her for her stupidity in making the mistake once or twice a day.

Comment #10: Mnemosyne  on  03/26  at  06:13 PM

I am thinking about a story I heard, where my conservative uncles and grandma ganged up on my sister (nicknamed “peanut” cuz she’s wee) one Thanksgiving. It was a taunting, mean, ad hominem, and just really aggressively hostile behavior for her to endure (until cool aunt—not our mom/their sister/daughter—rescued her). I always imagined that sneering tone you hear out of conservatives some times.

Looking at this rape language, which comes up A LOT, their anti-intellectualism (might makes right?), the way they seem to seek out issues to piss of liberals… wtf is going on with them?

Comment #11: humanadverb  on  03/26  at  06:13 PM

Robert, you’re right.  My sense is that a woman’s consent and desires are simply considered irrelevant to a lot of people, and so the strong difference between rape and sex that’s obvious to me isn’t so obvious to them.  There’s also the sense that fucking in and of itself degrades a woman, and so the difference between rape (which is all about degrading the victim) and sex (which is presumably about pleasure for everyone involved!) gets fuzzy. 

Geek, even setting aside the potential for psychological harm for rape victims, there’s a serious problem equating passing legislation without complete consensus with rape.  Let’s face it; sex can totally happen without rape.  We can live in a rape-free world, and things would be much better for it.  But government cannot happen with complete consensus.  Majority rule with protections for the civil liberties of minorities is the best we can do. The alternative isn’t a world where everyone is consenting to the government they live under.  The alternative is armed gangs exhorting protection money from weaker people, and basically feudalism.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/26  at  06:17 PM

I know a guy who uses rape metaphors in person all the time. He also acts very fuzzy on boundaries and consent (“accidentally” touching women in inappropriate ways). Based on experience, I think there’s a big patriarchal mess of love of domination and disrespect for women involved in anyone who is so obsessed with rape.

And seriously, to use it to describe a rather mild health care reform?  How do they even get so worked up about it?

Comment #13: Samantha Vimes  on  03/26  at  06:37 PM

re: #13

government cannot happen with complete consensus.  Majority rule with protections for the civil liberties of minorities is the best we can do. The alternative isn’t a world where everyone is consenting to the government they live under.  The alternative is armed gangs exhorting protection money from weaker people

This is an excellent summary of what I am constantly trying to explain to Americans of the right and the left and the other about government. What is strange is that some people don’t/won’t/(can’t?) understand.

Comment #14: atheist  on  03/26  at  06:49 PM

I was going to say, I can’t remember the last time something turned my stomach quite so much.  But I can—it was the realization that the Catholic hierarchy seems to view sexually assaulting children as a moral failing (like compulsive gambling, say) rather than a crime.

In both instances, the lack of self-awareness just boggles.

Comment #15: FashionablyEvil  on  03/26  at  06:50 PM

Excellent point, Samantha.  It’s probably reflective of view of politics where someone is always dominating for the sadistic thrill of it.  It’s not that they’re reacting out of a principle where all legislation should be consensus-based.  Just that they, being the only Real Americans, are the only ones for whom it’s a tragedy when they lose a political battle.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/26  at  06:52 PM

Holy shit. That might be the most offensive thing I’ve had the displeasure of looking at. How does she look at herself in the mirror without being overwhelmed w/shame?

Comment #17: Mark  on  03/26  at  06:59 PM

It’s time for the big lie word of the day! And today’s word is..

Entitlement.

Conservatives like to complain about “entitlements”. But at the same time, they really are all about entitlement.

They can’t understand why women would feel entitled to have control over their own bodies. But at the same time, they think that they are entitled to everlasting power and prestige. And they see any violation of that entitlement as being a horrific thing.

I’d argue that they fight so hard against common-sense entitlements because they want their entitlements to be the ONLY entitlements. They don’t want to win. They want to win it all.

Comment #18: Karmakin  on  03/26  at  07:17 PM

The cartoon is particularly offensive.  Use of rape metaphors and lynching metaphors are offensive to me and they are used by the right and the left.  I wish everybody would stop using them.

Comment #19: MiddleageLiberal  on  03/26  at  07:18 PM

But government cannot happen with complete consensus.  Majority rule with protections for the civil liberties of minorities is the best we can do. The alternative isn’t a world where everyone is consenting to the government they live under.  The alternative is armed gangs exhorting protection money from weaker people, and basically feudalism.

When Bush “won” in 2000 by losing the popular vote and being installed by SCOTUS, he had a mandate to carry out his agenda.  Obama won the popular and electoral vote decisively in 2008, yet any legislative success he achieves is raping the nation.

Comment #20: DonnaDiva  on  03/26  at  07:19 PM

NICE touch with the emphasis on thick lips and flat nose for the cartoon Obama.  Really well done.

Is there any chance she can work the phrase “Where the white women at?” into her next cartoon?

Comment #21: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/26  at  07:29 PM

Conservatives are extreme and hyperbolic like this, because of the poverty of the logic supporting their preferred policy positions. If they had to have a calm, rational discussion about things, they would not be able to defend the privileges and advantages they want to preserve, because they would have to consider the moral arbitrariness of all the factors that generate those privileges and advantages. (Similarly, they would be unable to defend fetishizing the free markets because they would have to talk about bargaining power and refute every other potential claim of normative obligations that override market freedoms, as for example with the health care debate).

Comment #22: Luke  on  03/26  at  07:40 PM

DonnaDiva, that is a good point. Conservatives crowed about Bush’s “political capital,” esp. after the 2004 elections but in 2000 as well when they defended his ultra-conservative judicial nominees in May 2001. In the years after September 2001, conservatives equated criticism of Bush with treason and disloyalty to the USA.

Conservatives are not so enthusiastic about either the principle of political capital, or the equation of criticism of the President with treason, now that their beloved cretin is out of office and his successor has some different policy priorities.

Comment #23: Luke  on  03/26  at  07:44 PM

Not only that, Luke, but if you were so gauche as to point out that Shrub lost the popular vote by about half a million or so, and only got in because his Daddy’s buddies on the SCOTUS made him a special case that can’t ever be applied to anyone else, then you’d get a sneering “We won.  You lost. Get over it sore loser.”

Comment #24: Blue Jean  on  03/26  at  07:55 PM

Ah, the culture of victimhood.
I’m still counting down the days till Republicans start chanting “Don’t Let Them Take Away Our Obamacare!”

Honestly, I’m surprised the artist didn’t have Obama dressed up as a blood-spattered doctor, giving the Statue of Liberty an abortion.  :-p

Comment #25: Zifnab25  on  03/26  at  08:02 PM

it’s clear that the rape is Lady Liberty’s fault—after all, she brought the guy home with her.

To me, the torn curtains and the knocked-over lamp on the bedside table suggest that the rapist in the cartoon has broken into the victim’s home, which would reinforce the notion that Lady Liberty has not, in fact, given any sort of consent and is the wholly innocent victim of a lawless black predator (who, bonus, is also a gang member). That reading seems to me more compatible with the Teabagger world-view, in which African-Americans are all thugs and liberty is ridiculously idealized—-what do you want to bet Darleen sat around trying to figure out how to signal that her rape victim was a virgin?

Comment #26: lizardoc  on  03/26  at  08:08 PM

I noticed this tendency with my ex-boyfriend too.  We had a lot in common except for politics, but he was very conservative right wing, loved Rush and Beck, and whenever we got into an argument over something in the news, he’d always trot out that analogy.  ALWAYS.  It creeped me out, because in the bedroom he was this respectful, wonderful guy, and then once we got going about politics, he became, well, a conservative right winger. 

Searching for an explanation for why he loved that analogy, he had a lot of anger towards women in general (he always said I was different…feh..to quote Mad Men, “Individuals are wonderful”), towards life and I think he’s very angry at himself.  Perhaps conservatives are drawn to that analogy because not only is there a lot of hatred of women, but the conservatives see themselves as the ultimate victim, so they’re claiming something that happens inordinately to women as their own, turning themselves into victims while belittling the suffering of women.

Comment #27: Foxling  on  03/26  at  08:51 PM

Stay classy there republicans. Stay classy.

I haven’t got any words, just a sense of overarching rage. And that’s not gonna get me real far.

Comment #28: Nora Bombay  on  03/26  at  08:55 PM

I’d argue that they fight so hard against common-sense entitlements because they want their entitlements to be the ONLY entitlements. They don’t want to win. They want to win it all.

That’s their idea of winning. Anything less—the existence of any dissenting voices—is losing. See also the whole christianist thing on “freedom of religion” where they’re being oppressed unless everyone else doees exactly what they say. Welcome to the totalizing world view, where the very existence of diversity is a failure.

When I read this post, I thought immediately of billmon’s “Spock with a Beard” aka “mirrror, mirror” post at Kos. It’s all about the projection, about attacking your opponents for the things you’ve done yourself, or plan to do. I think part of what motivates this cartoon is a sense of envy.

Comment #29: paul  on  03/26  at  09:00 PM

Sweetness, sweetness I was only joking when I said
By rights you should be bludgeoned in your bed
And now I know how joan of arc felt
Now I know how Joan of Arc felt as the flames rose to her roman nose
And her walkman started to melt.

(The Smiths - BIGMOUTH strikes again)

Comment #30: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  09:25 PM

interesting absence of father of two daughters and sperm wisdom fan Dana here ...

Comment #31: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  09:26 PM

Conservatives are extreme and hyperbolic like this, because of the poverty of the logic supporting their preferred policy positions.

That is because reality is so hard for them to deal with because it doesn’t give a shit what they want. So much easier to sit around and decide how things just should work damnit, rather than actually carefully observe how they DO work and then WORK to make effective changes that respect basic way things function.

Fantasyworld does not happen by fiat.  That is their problem - they can’t just decide that it should be so and have it be the way they want it.  Thinking is too much work.

Comment #32: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  09:30 PM

Will I go to hell if I say that at least Lady Liberty has access to health care and PlanB and rape kits?

Comment #33: Ms Kate  on  03/26  at  09:31 PM

Zifnab:

I’m still counting down the days till Republicans start chanting “Don’t Let Them Take Away Our Obamacare!”

As if. I will absolutely guarantee you that the second Obama is out of office, or maybe even before, the GOP will be claiming that the whole thing was really their idea all along. Just you watch. Ten years from now, they’re going to be pounding their chests and calling it Palincare, and they’ll be mortally offended at the suggestion that the GOP fought it tooth and nail all the way.

Comment #34: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  03/26  at  09:32 PM

Surely I can’t be the only one who immediately thought of the faux-right-wing-rag editoral comic strip in Watchmen (the graphic novel, that is).

Comment #35: mythago  on  03/26  at  09:34 PM

It’s true that the cartoon shows that Click understands the horror of rape, but she also invokes the “you fully consented to everything he did to you because…” trope. 

So no, still stupid as fuck and evil on top.

Comment #36: DonnaDiva  on  03/26  at  09:38 PM

@26, They will likely be chanting “get the government out of my obamacare”.

Comment #37: alysia  on  03/26  at  10:00 PM

I can see why this Darleen person went for the shock value - she certainly can’t draw.  That doesn’t look like Obama at all and I think Lady Liberty’s missing a part of her ass.  That “Obama” was drawn by a woman who needs to practice drawing minorities a bit more, to say the least.

But government cannot happen with complete consensus.  Majority rule with protections for the civil liberties of minorities is the best we can do. The alternative isn’t a world where everyone is consenting to the government they live under.  The alternative is armed gangs exhorting protection money from weaker people, and basically feudalism.

Is there some sort of “returning to the ancient model where everyone votes on everything” talking point floating around now?  Because I just had that conversation with my officemate today.  I pointed out that we have a fantastically low voter turnout in general, and that that kind of thing at best would just turn our federal government into a giant school board, with the elderly and the insane over-represented at the expense of everyone else, and he was actually fine with that in this context.  We also don’t have a slave class anymore to free up all the landed males to spend all day voting on things.

Comment #39: Kyso K  on  03/26  at  10:21 PM

You really want to lose your appetite, read her defense of the cartoon in her comment section.

Comment #40: cynickal  on  03/26  at  10:23 PM

i saw this through LGM. what was really surprising is that i wasn’t shocked it was a women who drew it. it’s been my experience (in both the workplace and the social front) that women are far nastier to other women, then men are. why this is so i have no idea, and i’m not going offer conjecture.

i am the proud owner of a daughter. her mother and i have taught her, from day one, to stand up for herself. it is my responsibility, as her father, to both protect her, and teach her how to protect herself, when we’re no longer here. i take that responsibility seriously. while i’ve had to endure her “i am woman, hear me roar” phase, i can live with it. annoying though it is at times, my hope is that it serves her well in the future, and she takes no bs from anyone. i fear the author of the cartoon didn’t get the same support growing up.

Comment #41: cpinva  on  03/26  at  10:30 PM

Isn’t “shoved down one’s throat” a food-related and not sex-related metaphor? (As in, it’s not necessarily a penis that one is being forced to swallow.)

Comment #42: Doug S.  on  03/26  at  10:32 PM

interesting absence of father of two daughters and sperm wisdom fan Dana here ...

He’s busy saying on his own blog that poor people without health insurance should be left to die if sick.  I am not making that up.

Comment #43: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/26  at  10:37 PM

Aside from the obviously revolting subject matter, the art is about the quality of something a 13 year old would post to Deviantart.  Is this woman seriously a cartoonist??  Please tell me it’s just an obscure webcomic?

Comment #44: nico  on  03/26  at  10:39 PM

Yikes there’s so much wrongness there and the art really sucks too.

Plus, cap and trade was a moderate rethug idea back in in the day. Says a lot that it’s now added onto the pile of “great lib’rul scam/trickery” I’m thinking that oxygen will be next. Just to show those socialists who like breathing and all.

Comment #45: Danica Lefse Queen  on  03/26  at  11:10 PM

that women are far nastier to other women, then men are.

Whatever.  Men have been far nastier to me throughout my life than women have.  But treating women like we ain’t shit is men’s due, whereas it’s transgressive for women to be bitches to either gender.

Comment #46: keshmeshi  on  03/26  at  11:25 PM

George H.W. Bush of all people used cap and trade to limit acid rain, and it worked very well. I guess he’s a Communist now, too.

Comment #47: Ben D.  on  03/26  at  11:30 PM

#42 “i am the proud owner of a daughter.”

Please think about what is wrong with that sentence. And I’m not talking about the capitalization.
Children are not possessions to be owned. They are relatives, “yours” by blood (my daughter, my aunt, my grandfather), but they are NOT PROPERTY. As her father, you are her teacher, role model, etc, but you can’t own her.

Comment #48: Samantha Vimes  on  03/26  at  11:33 PM

I clicked through to read the artist’s comments defending her work, and… yeah.  She literally never even acknowledges the idea that the procedurally sound passage of a law is dissimilar to rape.

And it’s not racist because Barack Obama’s actually black.  Also, Lady Liberty is green so it’s not racist there either.

I was a kid through most of the 90s, turning 18 in 2001.  With that said, this seems considerably worse than the level of hateful rhetoric Clinton got while in office.

Comment #49: Ferox  on  03/26  at  11:58 PM

Wow.  I thought this cartoon was one of those joke editorial cartoons from the Onion, only not drawn nearly as well.  The fact that this cartoonist is serious is really messed up.

Comment #50: Captain Bathrobe  on  03/27  at  12:57 AM

so… I guess I’m the only one who, while disgusted with the rape metaphor and all, saw that as par for the course on conservative cartoonists, and am more disgusted with the really, really poor art.

if you’re that bad at color, stick to black and white inks.

Comment #51: karpad  on  03/27  at  01:27 AM

Plus, cap and trade was a moderate rethug idea back in in the day.

Hell, the healthcare bill that just passed is quite similar to what Republicans like Bob Dole proposed in opposition to the Clinton administration’s proposal 17 years ago. Yet there is not a single Republican politician who dares to support one jot or tittle.

We’ve forgotten just how quickly things have slid to the right in less than a generation. What scares me is that I don’t really see a change for the better any time soon. Republicans are prisoners of their own rhetoric, now, and the media is so loathe to call it extremism that I fear we are beyond return.

Comment #52: weirdnoise  on  03/27  at  03:19 AM

Rape is being used as a tool of punishment and control all around the world. Especially in War Zones.

Even in the UK/US there is the expectation, even hope, that when a criminal is sent to jail, he or she will be raped. The oft spoken desire that ‘He’ll meets Bubba in the showers soon’ is endemic. I don’t see how we can even hope to eradicate rape culture without first dismantling the system that actually sees it as a positive boon to the control of undesirable elements in society.

Comment #53: Akheloios  on  03/27  at  03:49 AM

I’m gonna have to ask the same question:

Seriously, why are you so obsessed with mental illness metaphors?
It is painfully ironic to complain about how language demeans women and then tagging it “batsh*t crazy”.

http://meloukhia.tumblr.com/post/463700380/can-we-stop

It’s also ironic how some commenters armchair diagnose conservatives and claim to know what’s psychologically “wrong” with them, whereas another commenter called compulsive gambling a “moral failure”.
It’s the other way round.

Comment #54: Kowalski  on  03/27  at  04:20 AM

student aid :-
So what is its influence? In case you haven’t read Marvels (shame on you!), it’s the story of Phil Sheldon, a reporter for the Daily Bugle who watches the birth of the Marvel Universe, from 1939 through the death of Gwen Stacy. Busiek does a masterful job bringing all the major plots of the early Marvel U. together into four issues, and his “man-on-the-street” approach to superheroes served him well in his creator-owned follow-up project, Astro City. His obsessive knowledge of Marvel history has also served him well, as in Avengers Forever he attempted something even grander: reconciling every thread of the Avengers’ convoluted past. What Busiek does in Marvels (and in other works, to be sure) is create a good protagonist whom the readers can relate to, making us experience the way superheroes must look and feel to those without powers. And while many people hate Alex Ross, I’m not one of them, and his painted work in Marvels is very keen and unlike almost everything we had seen in mainstream comics prior to that. It’s not terribly surprising that Marvels was such a hit. And that’s the problem: Marvels began a trend that has persisted until this day, which we must call, for lack of a better term, “nostalgia porn medical school.”

Comment #55: politics  on  03/27  at  09:05 AM

While obviously there is a lot of rape analogies there also is just the whole idea floating around that women get fucked and men do the fucking.  So the whole shoving down the throats or bending over is a bit about being made a into woman by being fucked and so they are emasculated.

Yes. And yes to Amanda’s thesis.  I’ll take it further. Our entire linguistic culture (English North American) is strewn with terms that reference man/taking and woman/being taken, either in a rape sense or in a debasement/service sense:“That sucks”; “cocksucker”; “I’m so fucked” etc etc etc. We use these negative terms without even thinking about it (I do myself, although I stopped using “cocksucker” years ago—HATE) and therefore perpetuate the “man/dominant/gets his sex - woman/receiver/services men” matrix (not to mention the sex-negative implications, esp. sex-as-a-straight-woman negative implications).

Comment #56: Ranylt  on  03/27  at  09:41 AM

Is there some sort of “returning to the ancient model where everyone votes on everything” talking point floating around now?

Yes, all the free men (i.e, property-owning upper class) of Athens had a vote.  I’m not surprised that this model is being invoked, as it leaves out anyone they deem not a Real American. 

It’s funny, because Republicans have always been stalwart defenders of the republic over democracy, and in fact some are suggesting the Senate should be punished by having it elected by the House instead of directly, like they used to do.  Confusion reigns!  The only thing they’re sure of is that women and racial minorities have too much power with these stupid voting rights.

Comment #57: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/27  at  09:54 AM

Well done, cpvina.  You suggested men own their daughters, that rape is the victim’s fault because those who were raped like me simply didn’t do enough to defend ourselves, and you trotted out a nasty stereotype about women.  Darleen is not an asshole because she’s a woman, dammit.  She’s an asshole because that’s her personality.

Comment #58: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/27  at  09:57 AM

What the fuck is wrong with these people?

Comment #59: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  03/27  at  10:19 AM

Caren, they’re sick.  I am overwhelmed by that cartoon, and I’m actually glad that Amanda prepared us for it.  I have these people in my family, and I no longer talk to them.  Some people (not all by any means) say to me, but how can you not talk to family over politics?

Well, it’s not politics.  They are horrible people.  Their politics is just a symptom of the disease that is their overall horribleness. 

I am talking about the teabagging right.  I have a couple of fairly normal Republicans in my family too.  We disagree, and very much so, but I still hang with them.  But if you look at the polling showing how large a percentage of republicans believe that Obama is a socialist, that obama wasn’t born here! that Obama is a muslim, and that Obama may be the antichrist, then sorry, this is not a fringe movement.

Not at all.

Comment #60: JennyLI  on  03/27  at  10:39 AM

lizardoc @ #27:

To me, the torn curtains and the knocked-over lamp on the bedside table suggest that the rapist in the cartoon has broken into the victim’s home

I’d guess that the signs of a struggle were included because of the pervasive (and bullshit) notion that it’s not really rape unless the victim puts up a fight - regardless of whether physically resisting would be even more dangerous.

Comment #61: Fern  on  03/27  at  12:44 PM

I normally like to post something insightful and thought provoking.  But I got broke by that image, I have nothing of value to add beyond the fact that the first amendment protects their right to create it but I hope whatever they believe in as an afterlife sends them to the worst possible end.

What can this possibly bring to the table of political discussion?

Comment #62: Xeranar  on  03/27  at  12:55 PM

I’m gonna have to ask the same question:
Seriously, why are you so obsessed with mental illness metaphors?
Comment #55: Kowalski

Denial isn’t a river in Egypt.

Comment #63: cynickal  on  03/27  at  01:01 PM

I was really bothered by the shoved down our throats thing, but hadn’t quite made the oral rape connection.  I assume I had subconsciously and then shied away.  ‘Cause yeah, beyond vile.

Comment #64: helen w. h.  on  03/27  at  01:23 PM

Ann Coulter is on a speaking tour of Canada right now. The media description of her applies well to other right wingers:

“She’s a weak thinker.”

Don’t have to try and figure out this neo-con bunch, just realize they are weak thinkers, incapable of reasoned debate or free thought.

Comment #65: bradd  on  03/27  at  03:28 PM

But what’s both fascinating and frustrating is that when conservatives aren’t apologizing for actual rapists, it seems their understanding of what rape is reflects reality pretty well.

But Amanda, you don’t understand: The teabaggers are only against metaphorical rapes, not actual rapes.

Comment #66: Ebonmuse  on  03/27  at  03:41 PM

Rape is being used as a tool of punishment and control all around the world.

When my mother was in a Japanese prison camp in Chapei, China, one of the ‘unwritten rules’ was that any female, regardless of age, who was outside after lights out would be subject to rape. She would fall asleep to the sound the Japanese soldiers made as their swords slapped on their leather boots during their rounds during the night.

It was one of many tactics that instilled terror quite effectively in the prisoners.  When she heard Japanese coming from a short-wave radio I had left unwittingly tuned to a frequency used by Japanese speakers some 40-odd years later, she was just about scared out of her skin. I hadn’t even imagined that she was a sufferer of PTSD from being a guest of the Japanese Imperial Army until then.

Comment #67: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/27  at  05:06 PM

To me, the torn curtains and the knocked-over lamp on the bedside table suggest that the rapist in the cartoon has broken into the victim’s home, which would reinforce the notion that Lady Liberty has not, in fact, given any sort of consent and is the wholly innocent victim of a lawless black predator (who, bonus, is also a gang member).
Comment #27: lizardoc on 03/26 at 06:08 PM

I read it as she was abducted and is now one of the workers in Obama’s whorehouse, Obama being a pimp.  Either way, he “owns” her since she gave consent once sometime in the past.

Even in the UK/US there is the expectation, even hope, that when a criminal is sent to jail, he or she will be raped. The oft spoken desire that ‘He’ll meets Bubba in the showers soon’ is endemic. I don’t see how we can even hope to eradicate rape culture without first dismantling the system that actually sees it as a positive boon to the control of undesirable elements in society.
Comment #54: Akheloios on 03/27 at 01:49 AM

These revenge-brains embody but don’t seem to recognize that a common human reaction to having a punishment used on them is to want to use that punishment on someone else. 

Find a pretext, apply that punishment.  Now you’ve got guys who’ve been raped and don’t have life sentences out there, pissed off that they’ve been raped.  Great idea.  Anyone still wondering about recidivism?  Prison time should incorporate training in being normal, not training to become better criminals and more vicious people.

Comment #68: oldfeminist  on  03/27  at  07:18 PM

that women are far nastier to other women, then men are. why this is so i have no idea, and i’m not going offer conjecture.

Men are expected to be nasty to women, in a half-ironic, tongue-in-cheek, condescending, “chicks are crazy, but they get the job done,” and alternately “bitches can suck my dick” context. Decent men don’t talk this way around women they don’t know well, and when they do it around their female friends in an unserious tone of voice, they expect to be indulged for it because “boys will be boys.” The nastiness is built into the culture; it’s not open or transgressive. Men can claim they were joking when called on their hostility and nastiness, and most of them genuinely believe they are joking. 

When women try to join the locker room game to be “one of the boys,” to try to attract the kind of man who wants a woman who’s nasty to other women, it’s surprising to most people. We don’t have a cultural trope for that, it’s not ingrained in us the way “boys will be boys” is. We remember a woman who talks like an asshole sexist; she’s not part of the background noise. Her voice stands out and we assume it’s louder just because we can hear it better.

Comment #69: junk science  on  03/27  at  07:40 PM

Even in the UK/US there is the expectation, even hope, that when a criminal is sent to jail, he or she will be raped. The oft spoken desire that ‘He’ll meets Bubba in the showers soon’ is endemic.

Erm, in the UK? I’ve come across the concept in US popular culture, but here in the UK, no. No doubt some men in UK prisons are subject to sexual assault - the evidence on how frequent this is is lacking -
but the cultural idea of rape being a pervasive and inevitable threat to male prisoners just isn’t there. This may be down to ignorance, but in general, the UK prison population seen as being at risk of rape is women - from male guards.

Comment #70: Nineveh  on  03/27  at  08:21 PM

Darleen Click is a seriously disturbed individual, one who would likely be far less dangerous than she is with the PW flying monkeys applauding her.

And honestly, stuff like this doesn’t help. (Facebook link to Bill Maher video, explicit rape metaphors used to encourage brave behavior from Democrats)

Comment #71: Chris Clarke  on  03/27  at  08:46 PM

We remember a woman who talks like an asshole sexist; she’s not part of the background noise. Her voice stands out and we assume it’s louder just because we can hear it better.

Thank you, junk science. When I read/hear “women are meaner to women than men,” I just count one more person entirely unaware of their selective perception and memory (and, perhaps, personal biases).

Comment #72: Ranylt  on  03/27  at  10:38 PM

Well, speaking of comics, be very sure to check out “Lio” in the Sunday cartoons.

http://www.gocomics.com/lio/

(this will only show the cartoon tomorrow, on Sunday)

Skip the crude drawing and the loony women, and check out what we’re really feeding the young minds of America with…

Comment #73: shah8  on  03/27  at  11:31 PM

Ann Coulter is on a speaking tour of Canada right now.

I’m not sure if I’d call it a speaking tour so much as an outraged squawking tour.  Paging through one of today’s newspapers, I found a lot of debate on whether the University of Ottawa was right to do what they did, rehashing of free speech vs hate speech, etc.  Not much on what she was actually planning to say there.  So really, the story up here (depending on which part of the media you’re drawing from, at least) seems to be about everything except her actual message.

It would, quite possibly, have been an even better story if the now-done-to-death e-mail had never been said, the speech went on as planned, and she did run afoul of Canadian hate speech laws, but that might just be the darker side of my sense of humour talking.

Comment #74: fluffster  on  03/28  at  01:22 AM

Well, fuck. I had a long comment and it got eaten. Goddamit.

Comment #75: ginmar  on  03/28  at  03:24 AM

So, they clearly know what rape is all about, when they’re casting themselves as the victims.  But when real life women are real life victims of rape, suddenly they go stupid and think it’s all a matter of too much alcohol or mixed signals.  And that level of full-of-shitness pisses me off.

I had to walk away from the article for a minute because what it made me want to do was swear and throw things at my screen.

Of course they know what rape is about. The right wingers understand power and abuse of power quite well. You’re right, it’s misogyny, but it’s a whole lot more than that. It’s not just women they hate, it’s a whole lot of people that they hate. And if you’re the object of their hate, then looking at you as a person, you know, equal to themselves, is just not possible. To add to that, these people are so removed from any reality that they can’t relate or understand that real people get injured. Because those people aren’t real in the way they see themselves as real. So, it likely never entered the cartoonist’s head that she was being a misogynist, a racist, and an all around asshole. Because only what she wanted was important. You know. Sort of like a rapist that way, but even that is a cheapening of the word and very likely beneath me. The fact that I can see that remark is beneath me I should hope would say a lot.

Comment #76: xxxevilgrinxxx  on  03/28  at  04:02 PM

Wow, that cartoon is appaling on so many different levels! Seriously, the cartoonist is one sick chick.

Comment #77: PhantomOne  on  03/28  at  11:56 PM

That cartoon is so gut-wrenching. I have been sickened with all the rape metaphors. But I know if it the people using them were called out on it they would just say the “feminazis are being hysterical again”. *sigh*

Comment #78: Olivia  on  03/29  at  12:48 PM

shah8:

Uh… I’m not entirely sure what your point is. I mean, it probably shouldn’t be a newspaper comic, but it seems to be mainly a mix of absurdist and macabre.

Comment #79: BrianX  on  03/29  at  01:12 PM

You *do* have to unpack it, though…

It’s just not very funny, not in the absurd or the macabre sense.  People kidnapp other people to enslave them in drug or sex work right now, so there is no distance from reality, or history.

Comment #80: shah8  on  03/30  at  05:06 AM

Gags frequently involve the supernatural, alien invasion, or mass destruction of many sorts, creating a surreal, disturbing atmosphere. Some of the strip’s recurring themes involve Liō getting even with grade-school bullies, helping animals (most of which are non-anthropomorphic but display obvious intelligence) defend themselves against humans or their predators, and performing mad scientist style experiments.

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In addition to Liō, the strip only has one other major character, Liō‘s unnamed father. He is frequently shown to be the subject of Liō‘s pranks and sometimes has to get his son out of difficult situations. On one occasion, when he watched a news report of an alien invasion, he gave Liō a hard spanking for holding an alien ship in the backyard. On the other hand, one day when the boy came home from school dejected because a drawing he created had horrified the faculty, Dad proudly hung up the piece of art on the refrigerator, giving his son much-needed comfort and joy. Quite often, father and son prove that they really love each other, no matter what. Liō‘s mother is deceased.[1]

Liō has at least five companion animals:

  * Fido, a spider who has helped him cheat on tests.
  * Cybil, a white cat who has unique methods for getting Liō to feed her. She looks sweet and innocent, but is not.
  * Frank, a cobra who sometimes sleeps in Liō‘s bed.
  * Ishmael, a giant squid, mainly identified as a cephalopod.
  * Mittens, a lobster rescued from his father’s planned dinner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liō

Comment #81: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/30  at  11:48 AM

Wanted to quickly let you know that one of the guys arrested in the crazy jesus militia raid said he couldn’t afford a lawyer because he had been “raped” by property taxes. So yeah, it seems like these jagoffs can’t exist without comparing literally everything that happens to them to rape.

Comment #82: jessilikewhoa  on  03/30  at  01:00 PM

Here’s a source on that
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local-beat/Militia-Man-Claims-Mistaken-Identity-89500742.html

Comment #83: jessilikewhoa  on  03/30  at  01:01 PM
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