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Sex Tips for Feminists

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Sex Tips for Feminists*

Look, ladies, we’ve all heard it over and over, from the fine women at IWF who just want to help, conservative bloggers making fun of you for being so ugly and unlovable, and Lori Gottlieb telling you that if you don’t settle for the first asshole to come along, you’ll die alone and be eaten by your bevy of cats. And don’t forget, you’ve been scolded about thinking you have a right to “have it all” by some random douchebag who reads Andrew Sullivan.  So you laughed at some lame jokes, put up with some sexist bullshit, and got dragged to dates that involved sitting through “The Hangover” more times than you care to admit.  And you’ve won!  You got that boyfriend you were told to get.  Sure, he’s an insufferable baby who makes cracks about women having “cankles”, but remember!  Cats eating through your papery dead old lady flesh! 

But just because you’ve settled doesn’t mean your hard work is over.  When you’re a woman, there is no end to the work of man-pleasing, and if you read more Cosmo and fewer feminist blogs, you’d get that.  But I’m here, as a feminist blogger, to take pity on you and not to run you off reading my blog so that you can spend more time serving your man drinks off a tray that you’ve strapped to your back to bring him on all fours while naked.  There is room in your life to be a feminist and to keep that man-child you’ve carefully earned with eyelash-fluttering until you got the spins.  Just follow these careful sex tips for feminists, and you’ll be able to keep that feminist habit up while leaving him in the blissful ignorance that he requires in order to stay with you.  Like so much of the performance of femininity, it’s just a matter of stage craft.

Talking about feminism.
There’s no need to do this.  Obviously, this seems hard to avoid, since it’s an important part of your life, until you realize that you don’t really need to talk to your man-child much at all.  The vast majority of comments you make should affirm what he’s said or be sexy talk, though you’re obviously okay if what you say has to be said in the shortest but most ladylike way possible.  “Not to nag, but perhaps you shouldn’t step on that rattlesnake,” is okay under most deadly circumstances. 

But don’t worry!  If you feel bottled up, that’s why god invented blogging.  You can spill all that stuff on your blog, and don’t forget that you’re allowed to talk to your friends on nights when he’s doing something else and isn’t any the wiser.

Books.  Being a feminist, you probably have a lot of these, and many of them have man-child-startling titles that could provoke unpleasant discussions, which as you know are strictly forbidden.  But don’t worry.  Your best friend here is one of those fat markers, the kind you use when labeling boxes.  With a few quick edits of the cover, even the most forbidding feminist tomes can seem like sexily unthreatening, empowerful even.  Don’t forget that men-children can get antsy if women are more successful than them!  But your friend the marker plus some ingenuity can do a quick un-sexing of most female authors’ names.  An example to get you started:

second sex

Voila!  With 10 seconds of your time and a little creativity, you’ve turned a hefty philosophical tome on the oppression of women into a kicky fun how-to manual written by a male authority on the subject. 


Music.
If you’re of a certain generation often referred to as “third wave”—-or if you’re a music fan at all—-you run the high chance of having a lot of albums by female artists that see being a musician as a matter of playing music instead of taking their clothes off and looking ready to give head for the camera.  Let’s face it; we all know that this is going to be a point of conflict, because with your newly lowered standards, you’ve been dating guys who list 100 favorite bands on their dating profiles, and not one has a female musician of note in it.  You don’t want to send him fleeing for the hills the second he casually looks over you CD collection and discovers alarming images like this:

This album cover will overload a man-child’s ego to the point where he’ll have to run screaming for the strip club, and he’s unlikely to come back.  The women are a) wearing clothes that aren’t lingerie b) making faces that don’t indicate immediate desire to have sex with the viewer c) touching instruments! and d) listening to oversized headphones that threateningly suggest a willingness to listen to music on your own, instead of just what’s been provided by a man. 

But you don’t have to throw out your music collection just yet!  It’s not like he’s going to pick up your CDs and listen to them out of any kind of curiosity about what you like.  So all you have to do is address the album covers.  To do this, all you need is a stack of Maxim magazines, a pair of scissors, and a glue stick.  Cut out some of the pictures of barely clothed women slathered in oil laying around on shiny surfaces and simply paste them over the images on you CDs and records.  Voila!  He’s not going to look too closely and see the seams—-this is just to protect you for when he idly goes through your stuff while you’re cutely making him wait 5 more minutes to leave while you powder your nose.

Vegetarianism. It’s an epidemic amongst feminists.  You may not be a vegetarian feminist, so if not, skip this.  But if you are, remember that all men-children think of vegetarianism as a judgment on them so severe that it will permanently emasculate them.  But luckily, the solution to your problem is simple—-order the salad.  If there’s any kind of meat product, ask them to hold off while patting your tummy to make it clear this is about calories, not environmentalism or animal rights.  Just don’t forget to ask for the dressing on the side, or your cover will be blown.

Cats. Okay, you have them.  Just admit it; you had a moment of thinking you should just go ahead and start your path to spinsterhood and got them, before you panicked and put up an eHarmony profile.  Or maybe you just like cats, and think this is non-negotiable.  And now you have them, and you’re worried, rightfully, that your man-child will be jealous and threatened, and will use anti-cat rhetoric that has a whiff of misogyny to it in order to make your life miserable.

There’s a couple of things you can do.  If you have mellow, compliant cats who lay around all day, tape pieces of felt two inches wide and 3 inches long over their ears and tell your man-child they’re basset hounds.  Again, his lack of interest in what you bring to the table besides your vagina will keep him from investigating your claims too closely. 

Unfortunately, some of you have cats like mine, and this ruse will not work, because the pieces of felt will come flying off as they tear around the house chasing each other.  This is one of those cases where you may have to speak multiple sentences in a row to your man-child.  Hopefully, if you’ve kept a strict diet of lip-zipping, this will be so out of the ordinary he’ll be forced to listen.  And then employ the Amanda Marcotte twofold strategy of getting sexist dudes to take what you say seriously: 1) borrow male authority and 2) play the helpless but caring female. 

In order to do this, talk about a made-up brother who was your family’s golden child and the light of your life.  And how he absolutely loved cats.  (This addresses #1.)  And then (quickly so he doesn’t get bored!) explain that your brother passed away tragically doing something uber-masculine, like racing cars, and how you were the only person in the family brave enough to take on and care for his beloved cats.  Give them names like Ferrari and Pam Anderson, and hopefully, this will minimize the teasing.

Sex.  You have plenty of time to come on your own with that box of vibrators you wisely keep hidden from your man-child.  Don’t startle him and run him off with your demands in bed.  Just keep him satiated, and he’ll stick around to validate you while mostly staying out of your hair. 

Separate residences.  This is crucial.  Even the most oblivious man-child will realize something’s up after he moves in with you and realizes you spend a suspicious amount of time reading suspicious-looking websites like Jezebel or Feministing.  The basset hound ruse is extremely likely to fall apart if you move in together, especially if you don’t have a good place to hide the litterbox.  It’s not just the blogs, either.  You watch TV shows with multi-layered female characters who keep their clothes on.  You might actually want to listen to some of those albums.  You read books.  You have to eat some time. 

Separate residences is the way to go. Even if you have the big “look-someone-will-have-me” wedding. 

This one seems like a stretch, but it’s simple.  As long as you’re willing to come over to his house to clean up after him, your man-child will be open to you telling him that he’s a big, strong man who needs his space and you sure wouldn’t want to take over his life with your stupid girl stuff.  Perhaps you can make a pile of items that will have to be in his home if you live together, to make it clear how much he doesn’t want this: hair dryers, shoes, make-up bag, flowers, throw pillows, etc.  Whatever goes in your pile, make sure to put a box of tampons on top to drive home the point. 

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Who says you can’t have it all?  With the simple Marcotte plan, you can both be validated by a man and get the peace of mind of not having to settle for some asshole clogging up your living space and making your life miserable.

Of course, you could always hold out for a good guy who makes you happy.  But the NY Times wouldn’t recommend it.

*Produced after reading this interview about how hard it is to find where to draw the line while being a dating feminist, combined with Cosmo’s suggestion, “Without asking, swap his empty beer for a fresh one when he’s watching the game.”

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:03 PM • (75) Comments

Funny thing is, I just got about 50 marriage proposals from ruggers via facebook - Guiness put out a fake ad for a fake fragrance that “smells like rugby” and I admitted that I actually like it when my guy smells sweaty.  (My love of drinking stout was implied). Of course it was all a lark, but there are guys out there who don’t like to be who they aren’t either!  I’m married, in my 40s and rather disinclined to feminine gender expression, and I don’t think finding male company would be an issue since I seem to have to actively dispatch it.

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  12:31 PM

Funny stuff, and sad because a lot of women probably do things close to these absurd suggestions because they’re convinced they’ll lose their man otherwise.

The only thing you forgot was the standard disclaimer to readers: This is Not About You!

Comment #2: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  12:40 PM

You forgot to mention that S-K dared soil The Kinks with that album cover!

Comment #3: SweetT  on  04/01  at  12:47 PM

“And don’t forget, you’ve been scolded about thinking you have a right to “have it all” by some random douchebag who reads Andrew Sullivan. “

LOL.  So, his argument is that w because he deliberately made choices in his life that didn’t include love, and now he whines about that, but no one cares, women shouldn’t have equality LOL. Ooookay, Mr. Crybaby sexist! Can’t *fathom* why you’re still single!

Comment #4: Gypsy Lee  on  04/01  at  12:51 PM

Funny how there is so much effort put into convincing women that they will never have companionship unless they conform to certain stereotyped standards because all guys blah blah.  There are big bucks in this, true, but there is also a hammer to smash those of us who 1)don’t come by this naturally and 2) resist being other than ourselves.  Inevitably, the men who we attract are derided or presumed to be lacking in something, too, because we broke the rules, damnit!

Comment #5: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  12:54 PM

Oh, and I stopped buying things at Eastern Mountain Sports because anything their catalogs pitched toward women was clearly about the male gaze (not about, say, finding a PFD that fits a short-waisted DD body).  REI, on the other hand, has women doing things and often ignoring any guys in the frame.

Comment #6: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  12:57 PM

So, his argument is that w because he deliberately made choices in his life that didn’t include love, and now he whines about that, but no one cares, women shouldn’t have equality LOL.

Man, I just read that letter. Typical NiceGuy®, right down to the self-pity and the not-quite-stated claim that all attractive women in their 20s are gold-diggers.

You’re a little incorrect about those choices not including love, though: it’s clear from the letter that he believes a lucrative career is the main and proper path to attaining a woman’s love (physical attractiveness being the main and proper path for women, natch).

I doubt he “crawled back to his old girlfriend” after moving to enhance his career and finding no romantic success, so much as heshowed up saying “I left you to make more money, because that’s what all of you want. How dare you not take me back, you heartless b*tch?!”

So yeah, I’m glad to take his offer and call him a misogynist arsehole, because that’s what he is.

Comment #7: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  01:03 PM

You should have photoshopped a mustache onto Mr. de Beauvoir.

Comment #8: W. Kiernan  on  04/01  at  01:13 PM

“combined with Cosmo’s suggestion, “Without asking, swap his empty beer for a fresh one when he’s watching the game.””
Good lord, I never realized how fucked up this magazine was until it started arriving in our mailbox addressed to my wife*. There’s some twisted shit in there! Reinforecement of feelings of inadequacy, fear, the whole gamut.

*No one will fess up who bought her the subscription, and we’re both kinda pissed.

Comment #9: Jimmy  on  04/01  at  01:49 PM

“I doubt he “crawled back to his old girlfriend” after moving to enhance his career and finding no romantic success, so much as heshowed up saying “I left you to make more money, because that’s what all of you want. How dare you not take me back, you heartless b*tch?!” “

Dunno.  It could just as easily have gone down the path where he’s all “woe is me” because he was so sure he’d get something else going on with someone else that was just as good because, y’know, awesome career and all and nothing’s working for him and he’s so miserable and maybe if she’s single he could “reconnect” and of course she’ll still be hot for him, since women are static beings and also did he mention his awesome career? And then she was all “What?  It’s been 4 years, and you work 80 hours a week, and I have since realized that you weren’t that great a catch to begin with, because 4 years gives you a lot of time to realize things like that.” Which, of course, retroactively transformed it from “trying to reconnect with” into “went crawling back to”.  After getting shot down, he probably wouldn’t even publicly admit that he was trying to rekindle anything.

Comment #10: preying mantis  on  04/01  at  01:50 PM

This is some good advice, but statistically all women will outlive our hard-earned man-child and catching a younger one is out of the question because we won’t be viable anymore. So it’s either the cats or suicide. Preferably, suicide in a very fashionable manner at the first sign of cellulite with the police photos airbrushed and published in a fashion magazine.

Comment #11: Tesla Dethray  on  04/01  at  01:50 PM

This is fucking awesome.

Comment #12: thewhatfor  on  04/01  at  02:03 PM

Man, I just read that letter. Typical NiceGuy®, right down to the self-pity and the not-quite-stated claim that all attractive women in their 20s are gold-diggers.

You’re a little incorrect about those choices not including love, though: it’s clear from the letter that he believes a lucrative career is the main and proper path to attaining a woman’s love (physical attractiveness being the main and proper path for women, natch).

Gee Mr. NiceGuy®, haven’t you thought maybe that if your main strategy to attract women consists of trying to woo them with money, all the women you’re likely to meet will be interested in… well, money?

Comment #13: BlackBloc  on  04/01  at  02:07 PM

“This is fucking awesome.”

Too true. My wife is probably rolling on the floor laughing as we speak.

She sure could have used this advice when we first started dating. Except for the cats and the vegetarian thing. And we both read a lot. Actually, I think I’ve let down my fellow men in not dominating my partner enough.

Comment #14: Mark  on  04/01  at  02:13 PM

MadLibrarian loves her feminist husband.

My guess is that sexism is probably genetic, so if we refuse to reproduce with sexists, the trait will probably just die out.  wink

Comment #15: MadLibrarian  on  04/01  at  02:17 PM

ML, whether it’s nature or nurture or some combination, if we all refused to reproduce with sexists, it would die out (but at this point the species probably would as well).

Comment #16: helen w. h.  on  04/01  at  02:27 PM

ML, whether it’s nature or nurture or some combination, if we all refused to reproduce with sexists, it would die out (but at this point the species probably would as well).

OK, so what’s the downside? wink

Comment #17: Steve LaBonne  on  04/01  at  02:31 PM

So it’s either the cats or suicide.

What if you keep the cats and murder the (much older, natch) rich husband? Then you can be a sexy young widow, which would allow you to either keep marrying and killing people, or might allow you to age into one of those terrifying evil villainesses with the icy glares. Then the cats would be useful to sit in your lap, being stroked, while you order assassinations. (Evil women get cut more slack in the “bitch” department, I think. In the job description and all that.)

I dunno, I’m kinda liking that last one…

Comment #18: Bagelsan  on  04/01  at  02:33 PM

I was going to say, this is a TERRIBLE April Fool’s joke, because you just could not keep the sarcasm out of your “voice.” 

However, as satire, I fucking LOVED IT!  It nearly cost me a keyboard.

Comment #19: GeekGirlsRule  on  04/01  at  02:34 PM

OMG I forgot to include men in that vision of the future! Unforgivable.

You can have a henchdude, of course. He’ll probably also be your butler. Or you can FoeYay it up with a hero (this last will probably end tragically, though.)*

*I may or may not have stayed up way too late last night reading TvTropes…

Comment #20: Bagelsan  on  04/01  at  02:35 PM

Oh, and about books: read George Eliot! No cover defacing necessary.

Comment #21: thewhatfor  on  04/01  at  02:37 PM

The 80s were notable for producing self-help books for women dealing with the inadequate males in their lives. A friend of my wife’s actually gave her husband The Peter Pan Syndrome as a gag (?!?) gift one Christmas. This trend was parodied as “Smart Women, Foolish Books.”

Clicking on one of the “Customers Also Bought” suggestions on Amazon I was amused to read:

Key Phrases - Statistically Improbable Phrases (SIPs): (learn more)
love addict, smart women

Comment #22: Hector B.  on  04/01  at  02:37 PM

I can’t tell you how angry it makes me when my girlfriend asks me if she can please, please get me a new beer.

Comment #23: stonetongue  on  04/01  at  02:43 PM

Ms. Kate,

What you said made me curious, so I went to go check out Eeastern Mountain Sports site, and wow are you right.  If you click on “women’s clothing” for EMS, you get a pic of two white women in tank tops - and not terribly practical hairstyles for hiking - sitting on top of a mountain and doing very little else.  What’s really weird (but subtle) is that the view they have is incredibly gorgeous, but neither of them are looking at it, so the overall effect is that the view is for you and the women are a part of it.

If you do that same on REI’s site, you get a pic of a non-white woman in full camping gear - and, arguably, a more practical hairstyle - setting up a tent.  The focus is clearly on the gear and on her doing shit.

What I find really frustrating and amusing is that if you click on Men’s clothing for EMS, you get a pic of a cute white guy in a crouch position filling up his water filter; the background behind him is very sparse and not interesting.  Which puts more focus on him and (imho) how cute he is, but also focuses on him as an active agent rather than a part of the view.

If you do the same for REI, you actually get almost exact copy of the pic on the women’s site.  The - also non-white! - guy is also in camping gear and is setting up a tent.  He looks slightly more active, as his position is slightly more dynamic, but he is also showing more skin than the woman was.  (nice forearms!)

Also interesting, both stores’ main sites for kids clothing have pics of white kids, but while REI’s pic is of two kids old enough to explore a little on their own - and no parents in view, EMS has pics of kids and adults and all of the adults are women.  (to be fair, I think there is supposed to be a guy in one of them, but he’s waaay at the back and his jacket blends with the rocks - while the woman’s contrasts with it - so he totally disappears into the pic.)

I’d imagine it’s even worse in the catalogs.

Comment #24: jennygadget  on  04/01  at  03:00 PM

Dunno.  It could just as easily have gone down the path where he’s all “woe is me” because he was so sure he’d get something else going on with someone else that was just as good because, y’know, awesome career and all and nothing’s working for him and he’s so miserable and maybe if she’s single he could “reconnect”

It amounts to the same thing. I’m sure he made his proposition in the Nicer® terms you described, but however he did it, back he went for a second chance and shot down he was.

I’m sure, by the way, he also expected her to drop everything and move to L.A. I mean, really, what woman needs family, friends, and a career of her own when this kind of prize awaits her? Read the letter: the guy makes money (just not enough for those L.A. ice queens)! And he works in the entertainment industry! And (wait for it) he doesn’t want to have casual sex with multiple partners! Doesn’t this Niceguy® deserve more than a cookie?

Comment #25: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  03:01 PM

If she did swapped out my beer while I was watching TV, first of all, I’d notice, second of all, after about the third time in less than three hours I’d wonder what she was up to.

I really would not want a partner who appeared to think of nothing but catering to my every whim, all the time. That’s boring, I have inanimate objects for that. And Ms. Kimberly Clark for intimacy.

You can have a henchdude, of course. He’ll probably also be your butler. Or you can FoeYay it up with a hero (this last will probably end tragically, though.)*
*I may or may not have stayed up way too late last night reading TvTropes…

Comment 20—Bagelsan

I don’t think the concept of Foe Yay is exclusive or original to TV Tropes, though typing it in CamelCase does point to your life being ruined.

Comment #26: Hershele Ostropoler  on  04/01  at  03:17 PM

Typical NiceGuy®, right down to the self-pity and the not-quite-stated claim that all attractive women in their 20s are gold-diggers.

As far as I can tell, men who complain about this *want* it this way.  They want women they can buy off, rather than attract and convince to stick around on their own merits.  Their only beef is that they don’t make enough to attract the gold-diggers.

Comment #27: keshmeshi  on  04/01  at  03:46 PM

As far as I can tell, men who complain about this *want* it this way.

True, but it’s the fact that they can’t express it honestly that defines them as NiceGuys®. Buddy-boy here would never admit that’s what he wants, even though he’s designed his life with “love for sale” in mind. It’s much easier to paint himself as the sad and put-upon nice guy who only wants love, and is doing the proper thing to get it.

Comment #28: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  04:03 PM

Read the letter: the guy makes money (just not enough for those L.A. ice queens)! And he works in the entertainment industry!

Gracchus picked up on the same element that I did.  This isn’t your garden variety Nice Guy (TM) douchebag.  This is your standard issue Hollywood douchebag.

Basically, what he did was he broke up with his hometown girlfriend on the assumption that he was going to be able to do way better than her once he hit the big time, moved to LA, and discovered that he’s just another dime-a-dozen Hollywood douchebag and that Megan Fox and Zoe Saldana were not, in fact, going to be fighting for the right to date him because, while he was the smartest and most talented guy in his hometown, he’s approximately the 3,956th smartest and most talented guy out here in LA.

Is this the fault of a system that depends heavily on networking in order to find jobs (where “networking” also includes dating and hook-ups)?  Why, no, it’s the fault of all of those women in Hollywood who are more interested in advancing their careers by making the right connections than in dating this perfectly Nice Guy (TM).

Basically, his life is not like one long episode of “Entourage” and he’s pissed off about it.

Comment #29: Mnemosyne  on  04/01  at  04:18 PM

Did anyone else notice that the guy was born in the mid-80s?  He’s in his mid-20s and he just expects everything good in life to fall in his lap, even as he works 80 hours a week and has no life.

Comment #30: keshmeshi  on  04/01  at  04:24 PM

Obviously, Cosmo knows little or nothing about basic physiology.  Keep swapping out those beers and he ain’t going to be able to get it up by the end of the game.  Unless his just falling asleep/passing out before sex is the goal here.

Comment #31: Ms Kate  on  04/01  at  04:25 PM

Basically, his life is not like one long episode of “Entourage” and he’s pissed off about it.

Heh. This is probably uncomfortably close to the truth. I’m now thinking those 70-80 hours per week are spent as a P.A. to an arsehole producer or agent or (if he’s “lucky”) a C-list male actor. If that’s the case, I’ll bet the rejection from women is nothing compared to the abuse and humiliation dished out by his alpha-jerk boss. But hey, easier to blame those career-obsessed b*tches who can’t recognise his special niceness, right?

Comment #32: Gracchus.  on  04/01  at  04:39 PM

I’m changing my will to demand my cats be allowed to devour my remains.

Comment #33: Sarcastro  on  04/01  at  05:03 PM

Maybe that’s the point, Ms Kate.  If sex is a service women provide men, then I can see why a lady might want a day off.

Comment #34: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/01  at  05:33 PM

Sarcastro, it’s a fun idea (side note, are you a fan of The Tick?) but I just have trouble believing that any of your friends or family would want to take care of your cats after they ate your remains.

Comment #35: BenYitzhak  on  04/01  at  05:36 PM

SweetT: only if the man-child’s knowledge of the Kinks is limited to Lola and You Really Got Me, otherwise he probably already thinks they’re a bunch of wusses, and definitely will if he ever hears S-K kick those kandy-ass Limeys’ asses all the way to the kerb.

Comment #36: fluxisrad  on  04/01  at  05:42 PM

Sarcastro—We have an agreement with our pets. If they die first, We get to eat them. If we die first, they get to eat us.

I’m pretty sure my cat had something to do with me falling down that flight of stairs. And he’s been very angry with me ever since. Lots of accusing glares and verbal rebukes. Probably for having the gall to survive.

Comment #37: Mighty Ponygirl  on  04/01  at  06:48 PM

Marcotte’s categories for sex advice:

- Talking about feminism
- Books
- Music
- Vegetarianism
- Cats
- Sex
- Separate residences

There’s a joke about gender mattering to writing lurking there somewhere…

Comment #38: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/01  at  07:18 PM

MsKate @6, I wonder what you would call a PFD for a short-waisted DD body?  Maybe we could name it after some celebrity….

Comment #39: Dr. Psycho  on  04/01  at  08:18 PM

Sarcastro, I’m pretty sure my family members would regard that provision as a reasonable and economical use of my remains.  And wouldn’t hold it against the cats if they decided to take advantage of the offer.

Comment #40: Older  on  04/01  at  08:22 PM

Was I the only one who didn’t find the ‘get him beer without telling him’ advice to be that bad in and of itself? Once my mother was telling me about how the little things matter in a relationship, little signs of courtesy or thinking of the other person. The example she used is how my father will get her a cup of coffee and have it waiting for her while she showers in the morning. As it’s in Cosmo it’s probably playing into some gender essentialist narratives, but if I did that for my boyfriend I’d place it in the same category as how he’ll make me tea and bring me kleenex when I’m sick.

Comment #41: JilliefromChile  on  04/01  at  08:38 PM

Brrravo! I especially liked the part about “serving your man drinks off a tray that you’ve strapped to your back to bring him on all fours while naked”, but I don’t think I could talk my girlfriend into that. The rest sounded pretty boring, though. wink

[Oh, and it’s camelCase not PascalCase </nerd>]

Comment #42: JoeBuddha  on  04/01  at  08:45 PM

Slow motion kickboxing can be fun!

Comment #43: scratchy888  on  04/01  at  08:48 PM

Amanda wrote:

Cats. Okay, you have them.  Just admit it; you had a moment of thinking you should just go ahead and start your path to spinsterhood and got them, before you panicked and put up an eHarmony profile.  Or maybe you just like cats, and think this is non-negotiable.  And now you have them, and you’re worried, rightfully, that your man-child will be jealous and threatened, and will use anti-cat rhetoric that has a whiff of misogyny to it in order to make your life miserable.

But then you run into guys like me, men you think horribly misogynist and heterosexist privileged and all of that, who happen to be cat people.

Of course, we really like cats just to lull you into a false sense of security.

Comment #44: Dana  on  04/01  at  09:39 PM

I was sitting at the dining room table with the younger Miss Pico, and somehow the subject got to my bunny ears, as my hearing aids are called in the Pico household.  Anyway, I mentioned the only reason I got them was because my darling bride was getting more and more annoyed with having to repeat herself, more loudly and slowly, for me to be able to understand her.  Said younger daughter then said, “Gee, dad, you’re whipped.”

At least in our little town, to the teenaged girls, if a guy does something nice for a girl, he’s whipped; you have no idea how many times I’ve heard these conversations about teenaged boys.

Comment #45: Dana  on  04/01  at  09:47 PM

Query:  I am moderately allergic to cats and hate dusting and vacuuming.  What is an alternative pet that I can horde to eat my remains without all the dander?  If I must get a man, is it acceptable to replace the red ribbon on those amazing pumps with a more sedate brown one to match the spots?  The red is just too flashy; I’d like something a little more subtle.

Comment #46: Kyso K  on  04/01  at  09:51 PM

This article reminds me of a discussion I had with my composition teacher where he asked me why so few young women in my generation identified as feminists - er, rather, so much fewer than in his generation.  My theory is it’s because the anti-feminist backlash has successfully convinced young women that being too much of an angry feminist won’t get you a date.  And that everything that can be done has been done.  Ironic, isn’t it?  That part of their argument that we don’t feminism anymore (the “feminists-don’t-get-laid” part) is evidence that we still do need it?

Comment #47: Erda  on  04/01  at  10:02 PM

Kyso: Perhaps this cat would be the solution you seek.

Comment #48: Dana  on  04/01  at  10:11 PM

At least in our little town, to the teenaged girls, if a guy does something nice for a girl, he’s whipped; you have no idea how many times I’ve heard these conversations about teenaged boys.

Wow, young women take on the patriarchical values in which they’re raised?  Even in a self-destructive fashion?  No one has ever heard of or documented such a thing.  You might want to start doing some interviews; this kind of new information could be the basis of a bestselling treatise on American social mores.

Comment #49: Punditus Maximus  on  04/01  at  10:32 PM

As far as I can tell, men who complain about this *want* it this way.
I don’t think they want it that way, so much as they believe the only way for them to ever be loved is if they have money…

Comment #50: Devonian  on  04/01  at  10:58 PM

You might want to start doing some interviews

We talking about female teenage behavior? You’ll wanna get some good insights; I know some old male professor types you could interview. (Of course, you could always go to the source—fathers of teenage girls!)

raspberry

Comment #51: Bagelsan  on  04/01  at  11:30 PM

What if you keep the cats and murder the (much older, natch) rich husband? Then you can be a sexy young widow, which would allow you to either keep marrying and killing people, or might allow you to age into one of those terrifying evil villainesses with the icy glares. Then the cats would be useful to sit in your lap, being stroked, while you order assassinations. (Evil women get cut more slack in the “bitch” department, I think. In the job description and all that.)

This has been a recurring fantasy ever since I started watching Disney movies for more than just the songs.  Villains always get the best songs, and the best lines.

Comment #52: fluffster  on  04/01  at  11:38 PM

Man, I just read that letter. Typical NiceGuy®, right down to the self-pity and the not-quite-stated claim that all attractive women in their 20s are gold-diggers.

He calls all women gold-diggers, and then those women don’t like him.  And he’s surprised by this?  Insulting people is not the way to convince them to like and date you.  And even if this isn’t blatantly obvious to him, it should be clear that his methods up until now haven’t been effective so maybe it’s time to try a different approach.

Comment #53: bananacat  on  04/02  at  12:17 AM

I’d sympathize with NiceGuy just a bit if all he did was complain that 80 hour workweeks make it hard to find a significant other, because hey, that’s true.  But he kind of lost me at “while women have a lot of avenues to address potential earnings gaps, men like me have no means to seek recompense for the emotional toll taken out on us by the expected focus on our careers.”

“A lot of avenues”?!  You can marry a guy who makes that whole dollar for dollar you’re missing out on, you can pick a career that’s so lucrative making 70 cents to the dollar is no big deal because it’s still a bunch of cash, you can be an expert at ball-busting bitch style salary negotiations right out of school, or you can wait until you discover you’re being screwed by a specific employer and see how the lawsuit works out, repeat as necessary.  Yes, these are all amazing options. 

Of course, women have to think about the “you can’t have it all” before they choose the 80 hour workweek, and this guy seems to have been a bit blindsided by it.  Very sad for him, but still, have a little self-awareness, for crying out loud.  And the whole paragraph before “that ain’t life” - wow.  No, you don’t get to pay a 35-year-old female employee less for the same job just because you think she squandered her twenties, the harlot.  He’s obviously got a chip on his shoulder - I’d hate to have to interview for a job with that guy.

Comment #54: Kyso K  on  04/02  at  01:06 AM

Well, when I die my cats are welcome to the remains.  Better they don’t starve than die with perfectly good food right there.  Plus, I like to think of my corpse-as-catfood as a final gift to the little devils.

I’d sympathize with NiceGuy just a bit if all he did was complain that 80 hour workweeks make it hard to find a significant other, because hey, that’s true.

Nah, that’s what internet dating sites are for.  I’m partial to OkCupid myself.

Comment #55: Richard Goblin  on  04/02  at  01:57 AM

Blech!  Just read the Andrew Sullivan letter.  That’s not a “nice guy,” that’s a straight up co-bag.

Comment #56: Richard Goblin  on  04/02  at  02:01 AM

I don’t think they want it that way, so much as they believe the only way for them to ever be loved is if they have money…

But he had love and gave it up.

I’ve mentioned it before here, but it bears repeating.  My own father definitely preferred it that way.  He had two wives who genuinely loved him and whom he treated like shit.  He also had three wives who just wanted him for his money and whom he treated like princesses.  Being loved threatened him.  Being loved meant that the person who loved him could change her mind and leave.  Being wanted for his money meant he would never be abandoned (or so he thought, wife #2 left him for his business partner) as long as the money never dried up.  I’m perfectly willing to accept that there are some sad sacks out there who really believe they can’t be loved without money, but there are also douchebags out there who want a quid pro quo relationship.  It’s a lot less scary than a truly loving relationship.

Comment #57: keshmeshi  on  04/02  at  02:28 AM

Was I the only one who didn’t find the ‘get him beer without telling him’ advice to be that bad in and of itself? Once my mother was telling me about how the little things matter in a relationship, little signs of courtesy or thinking of the other person. The example she used is how my father will get her a cup of coffee and have it waiting for her while she showers in the morning. As it’s in Cosmo it’s probably playing into some gender essentialist narratives, but if I did that for my boyfriend I’d place it in the same category as how he’ll make me tea and bring me kleenex when I’m sick.

Aside from the obvious gender issues of “woman: get beer for man” - you are not describing the same thing at all.

Wife in shower?  Can’t make herself coffee while she is in the shower.  You sick?  Don’t feel like doing much, including getting the damn kleenex.

otoh:  Man watching TV?  Is perfectly capable of getting his ass off the couch and getting his own damn beer.  Especially if one has TiVo.  He isn’t sick or doing chores, but being leisurely.  Why the fuck should she be focused on him/chores while he gets to be be all leisurely/focused on himself?  Does she not want to watch the game?  Do something fun herself?  What the fuck does Cosmo think she is doing while he is watching the game?  Nothing more than waiting around for him to finish off his beer?????

It’s not just a matter of advising one person being nice to another, it’s why the hell does Cosmo think she can tell when he needs more beer and get the fridge more easily than he can?  Why is whatever the fuck she is doing *presumed* to be more interruptable than what he is doing?

Cuz I can sure as hell tell you, that when *my* friends and family are watching shit I am not interested in, I am often not even in the house/apartment, much less in the room.  And when we are all watching shit I am interested in, we *take turns* getting more food stuffs *for each other.*

Granted, I am very much an introvert.  But still.  Just the very idea that I would be so not-focused on the stuff that interests me (aside from him) to even be capable of noticing when his beer is getting low…it just boggles.

Comment #58: jennygadget  on  04/02  at  05:03 AM

We men don’t really want you to bring us beer on a tray strapped to your back while you crawl up on all fours, naked: that’s far too likely to spill the beer.  Naked is good, and the silver tray is a fine touch, but really, standing is much better: that way you can curtsy when you serve it to us.  smile

Comment #59: Dana  on  04/02  at  07:32 AM

What about the birth control pills?  Shouldn’t you hide those too?  Wouldn’t man-child be afraid that you’re rejecting his oh-so-manly sperm?

It’s not just a matter of advising one person being nice to another, it’s why the hell does Cosmo think she can tell when he needs more beer and get the fridge more easily than he can?

Yeah, they act like it’s not perfectly acceptable to place the cooler between them while they’re sitting on the couch or something.  /snark

And this, from Mr. Nice Guy(tm)

But, I get sick and tired of women who want to treat the workplace as somehow separate from other parts of life.

Imagine that!  People being professional!  Not that it’s not being professional having reminders of your life around, but really, the workplace is not a nightclub where you pick up chicks.  Many people prefer to keep the two separate, usually for good reasons.

Comment #60: SporkeyO  on  04/02  at  08:34 AM

Query:  I am moderately allergic to cats and hate dusting and vacuuming.  What is an alternative pet that I can horde to eat my remains without all the dander?

Kyso:  Monitor lizards.

It doesn’t say in that article, but he did have a cat.  The cat was found on top of the refrigerator, well out of reach of the lizards.

Comment #61: speedbudget  on  04/02  at  09:21 AM

Sporkey, she hides the birth control because, just as she’s supposed to be physically flawless without appearing to put any effort into it, she’s supposed to not have babies (or PMS) without appearing to put any effort into it.

Comment #62: Hershele Ostropoler  on  04/02  at  10:35 AM

Hershele, the birth control pills are in plain sight, because he needs to know that he won’t get stuck with child support.  Also, by having the pills in plain view, he confirms to his buddies that yeah, he’s getting it, without requiring a visible pregnancy to confirm it.  It further confirms that she’s ready, absolutely ready! to rip off her clothes to have at him, at a moment’s notice.

Comment #63: Dana  on  04/02  at  12:04 PM

Dana is in fine form today.

Comment #64: Ms Kate  on  04/02  at  01:11 PM

Dana is in fine form today.

If by “fine form” you mean “creepy as fuck” - then I have to agree.

Comment #65: jennygadget  on  04/02  at  01:35 PM

Imagine that!  People being professional!  Not that it’s not being professional having reminders of your life around, but really, the workplace is not a nightclub where you pick up chicks.  Many people prefer to keep the two separate, usually for good reasons.

Well said, Sporkey.

This statement is particularly ironic: “But, I get sick and tired of women who want to treat the workplace as somehow separate from other parts of life.”

He has a professional job in Hollywood, probably as a PA to an Agent or Producer.  He knows good and well (and if he doesn’t, he SHOULD know) that hitting on people you work with is SEXUAL HARASSMENT.

No wonder he can’t get a date.  He’s looking for one at work, to begin with.  The other, but more serious problem he’s facing is entitlement:  He thinks that BECAUSE he works 80 hours a week, he DESERVES a hot bimbo girlfriend who will wait on him hand and foot, cater to his every whim, and never talk back.  And he’s mightily pissed that he doesn’t have that.

What a complete loser.  He should be ashamed of having written such pathetic drivel and exposed himself for the tool he actually is. 

Word of advice to the guy who wrote that letter:  “Just kill yourself now and do the rest of us a favor you useless waste of space.  The oxygen you’re taking up would be put to so much better use by someone more deserving.  Honestly.  What are you waiting for?”

Comment #66: Mezosub  on  04/02  at  04:53 PM

First-time reader here.  I just love this.  Smart and hilarious.

Comment #67: Presumptuous Insect  on  04/02  at  07:42 PM

Of course, you could always hold out for a good guy who makes you happy.

Or a girl. After all, we feminists are all a bunch of fucking dykes! Of course, you might run out of space to keep your blended cat family.

Comment #68: mythago  on  04/03  at  01:30 AM

Blended cat family?  BWAHAHAHA!  The lesbian vets across the street started their cohabiting life with three cats from each household!

Comment #69: Ms Kate  on  04/03  at  04:09 AM

...he asked me why so few young women in my generation identified as feminists - er, rather, so much fewer than in his generation.

My niece and her friends, all crew rowers at the University of Washington, avoid the feminist label because their professor was a dogmatic asshole more interested in propaganda than discussion.  Their words, not mine.

Comment #70: Eric_RoM  on  04/03  at  03:09 PM

Blended cat family?  BWAHAHAHA!  The lesbian vets across the street started their cohabiting life with three cats from each household!

That’s not cohabitation - that’s zoo-keeping.

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Comment #72: hoodly  on  04/05  at  07:30 AM

I doubt anyone is still reading this, but can someone please ban Dana already?  I’m sure that he was just joking, but it was extremely inappropriate and I don’t see any benefit to keeping this troll around.

Comment #73: bananacat  on  04/05  at  10:26 PM
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