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Silly wankery time: cell phones, ain’t they great?

I think it was probaby the combination of the Weiner non-scandal, which absolutely couldn't have happened without cell phones, and this Jonathan Franzen article about smartphones that got a surprising amount of attention, but for some reason I've been thinking on and off about how much the cell phone technology quietly remade people's lives in this country (and around the world, in surprisingly diverse ways), and at what a rapid speed, all things considered.  A couple of years ago, the hip and daring sector of the tech chattering world was all about how cell phones are just as important a development as computers---and maybe even more so---but now that smartphones have really taken off, that statement sounds more obvious than daring. Well, and unnecessary, since smartphones are collapsing the distinction between "phone" and "computer".  So, I thought I'd crowd source a post looking at all the ways that our daily lives have changed in response to this technology.  Many of the changes really snuck up on us, and it's only looking back that you really comprehend how easily personal habits shifted in response to the technology.  So I threw out the question on Twitter of what life pre- and post-widespread cell phone use looks like, and came up with a fun list.  We need a just-for-the-hell-of-it post around here; it's been awhile for some reason. 

*People don't wear watches very much anymore.  This goes double for people who came of age in the cell phone era; watch-wearing is now something primarily done by older people by force of habit.  I personally haven't owned a watch since college.  I got my first cell phone when I was, I think, 22.

*You no longer have to make elaborate plans to meet up with friends anymore.  Increasingly what people do is say they're going to be out at a certain day and time, and then when someone else is ready to meet them, they call them up and say, "Where are you?"  Since waiting on people is quite possibly my number one pet peeve, this shift in and of itself has made me a much happier person.

*A little over a decade ago, it was common for your average American to have at least half a dozen and usually more phone number memorized.  Before I had a cell phone, I could dial my mom, my boyfriend, four or five of my friends, my sister, and my office just from memory.  Now I often have to check even my boyfriend's number in my phone to make sure I'm writing it down properly on things like forms that require an emergency contact.

*One unique entry is someone noticed a huge decline in the amount of yelling in public people do.  She was specifically talking about people yelling from the street into houses instead of using doorbells (which, in our age of marvels still don't work a lot of the time), but as soon as she said it, I realized that this was a much broader advantage.  I remember when you would be out in public with your peeps, and if one of you wandered off, you had to yell for them to find them.  Now people just text message.  The amount of noise pollution has gone down because of this.  Something to think about next time you want to gripe about people talking on their phones in public.

*People don't hand draw maps anymore. 

*Trying to find a fucking phone booth.  I actually had to do this in England a couple of years ago, and the thought of it sent me into a mild panic.  Luckily, for some reason, they actually still have phone booths in the East End of London.

*Picking people up at the airport has drastically changed.  Back in the dark ages, you either had to show up at the airport at the appointed hour and hope the flight wasn't late, or call the airport ahead of time to make sure.  Now what I do---and I think this is common---is either call my ride when my plane lands or have the person I'm picking up (or whatever) call when their plane lands. 

*I've written about this before, but have a few more thoughts: plotting in TV and movies.  A surprising amount of plots move forward because characters lack crucial information, and unfortunately in many cases this becomes a lazy crutch.  (I love Harry Potter, but JK Rowling relies on the trick of having the adults keep important information from the kids way too much, and after awhile, it becomes grating. These kids have beaten back monsters and have seen war.  You can treat them as mature beings capable of handing it.)  But in our world, you can often find out what you need to know in seconds, because the person who has the information you require has a phone on them and can be reached at any time.  For awhile, screenwriters tried to get around this problem in really ham-fisted ways: no cell phone service in an area, the person didn't hear their phone ringing, etc.  That still goes on, but less than it used to.  I'm seeing a lot less reliance on plots that move forward because the main character is ignorant of something they really need to know, or can't get help when they're in danger.  Though I do think they did the "answer your phone" trick in "Thor", which is the "in the distance, a dog barked" of our time. (A classic in the genre of "shows that wouldn't work with cell phones.")

*I hear in high schools, kids don't pass notes in class anymore.  They text message. 

*When was the last time you called someone on their office phone for a personal call?  I literally think it's been years; I don't have a single office number for a single friend or family member.  Concerns about tying up office phones have basically fallen away.  That said, when I'm speaking to someone for work-related reasons on their office phone, they often get interrupted by their cell phone. 

*I saw a guy checking IDs in a bar using his iPhone for a flashlight.  In fact, you see it put to this use a lot.  I have to wonder if the number of minor accidents due to toe-stubbing in dark places has gone down. Of course, the number of accidents because people are walking and looking at shit on their phone  has gone up, so it's probably a net loss there. 

*I frequently find myself wondering how the hell I would have made it in New York City without an iPhone.  I never have to wonder where the subway stop is, or how to get from point A to B.  I just look it up on my phone.  I'm actually mildly worried about this as a crutch and have been consciously trying to avoid using it to get around as much as possible. Trying, basically, to relearn how to navigate a city without digital assistance.  I'm old enough that I've had to do so in the past, but my memories on how to do so are surprisingly faded. 

*I really love the new social habit of seeing something awesome, taking a picture of it, and texting it to someone out of the blue.  It's interesting to me how quickly that took off as a thing people do, and I've never seen anyone comment on it.  But many a person's day is made a little more uplifting because their phone beeps and they're immediately rewarded with a picture of a cat doing something cute or some really awesome graffiti. 

*The art of romance has been completely changed by smartphones, it appears. And not just because you can use it to send people pictures of your junk. 

*As someone who likes to go to rock shows, I can tell you text messaging may be the most fucking awesome technology ever.  I still remember vividly the dark days when someone would call to find out where in the club you were and you had to haul your ass outside to take the call, defeating the purpose.  And the even darker days before that, when you could agree to meet someone some place and spend an hour trying to figure out where they fuck they were because neither of you had a way to communicate with the other. 

*The strangest and least predictable change, in my mind,  is that cell phones have actually ushered in a new era of people spending way less time on the phone than they used to.  Long phone calls are just not as common as they used to be.  I rarely pick up the phone and just call someone to chat, except like my mom.  Text messaging is part of that.  It's helped reduce the amount of pressure on people to make idle chit chat out of politeness.  I think it's also email and IM on computers, as well.  But part of it might just be that because you can get someone on the phone whenever you want, it makes the conversations you do have less of a big deal.  And so you put less effort into them.  If you have something else you need to tell them, you can always call them back without worrying that they won't be home. 

*With that in mind, I have to point out that people leave phone messages way less than they used to.  They still do, but not only are you likelier to get a hold of someone if you call them, but if you don't, it's usually easier to text. 

This is by no means an exhaustive list, but like I said, I'm crowd-sourcing this one.  What are some of the changes, big and small, that have crept up on you because of cell phones?

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:05 PM • (248) Comments

Watches are hot among my students but mostly as fashion statements, especially those big-ass, clunky looking Fossil watches. But I haven’t worn one in years now.

Comment #1: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  06/09  at  06:22 PM

I have actually noticed a huge INCREASE in the amount of yelling people do in public—they are shouting into their cell phones, trying ti make themselves heard.  I notice this especially on crowded buses.

I also now know a lot more than I want to about what I used to think were private lives.  I take public transit all the time, and I’ve sat next to people discussing their sex lives on their cell phones in minute detail.

And not just their own lives, either.  True story:  young woman on a cell phone on a rush-hour bus, telling Friend A about Friend B’s affair with a work colleague.  She was standing two people away from me on this bus so I could not help but overhear her conversation, during which she mentioned the names and occupations of her friend, the affair partner, and the friend’s husband, and then she MENTIONED THE NAME OF THE LAW FIRM 2 OF THEM WORKED FOR.  It was a firm that had been opposing counsel to my outfit, with whom I had been in daily contact for a year, and was very well-known in my area.  Just by luck, I didn’t know any of the people involved, but I wondered who else was on that bus and if they knew any of the people involved . . .  I was going to gently mention this to her, but she got off the bus before her conversation ended.

thank God for Pandora on iPhone.

Comment #2: Anniecat45  on  06/09  at  06:29 PM

Household phones don’t exist, so your sister can’t tease you about how a booooy called.

Comment #3: saraeanderson  on  06/09  at  06:31 PM

My Blackberry does way more than I use it for, which is a combination of some sorts of electronic organization not working for me (not as well as pencil and paper at any rate), and part disinterest.  I’ve never taken and sent an impromptu picture, for example.  That said, I also no longer wear a watch, airport coordination is amazingly simple, I do stub my toes less frequently, and, though I am reluctant to admit it, I no longer have as many numbers memorized as I used to.

It took me a long while to get used to cell phones.  I grew up in a house without even an answering machine, so it was ingrained in me from a very early age to ANSWER THE PHONE.  When I first got a cell, I was resentful that someone could call me anywhere and I felt obligated to answer.  It took years but I’m finally okay with letting calls go to voicemail.

I also stopped using an alarm clock. 

There are some things I can’t let go of, though.  I still use paper maps.  My ring tone is a .wav file of an old fashioned telephone bell and my alarm noise is a classic analog clock bell.  It just feels more right somehow.

Comment #4: bomberE  on  06/09  at  06:31 PM

Before I got a cellphone in 2000 and before my girlfriend got one in 2004 we each doubted the utility for such as ourselves, and now neither of us will be without it. I don’t know if, had I never gotten one, I’d need one now; over the past decade I’ve adapted my life to having it in much the way described here, I don’t think I was wrong for thinking I didn’t really need one before I got one.

Similarly, when I upgraded my phone in 2010 I deliberately chose to get a dumbphone, and less than a year later—influenced in part by my girlfriend getting a Blackberry—I was counting the days until I was due for another upgrade so I could get a smartphone.

But I still have a landline. For that matter, I still wear a watch.

You no longer have to make elaborate plans to meet up with friends anymore.  Increasingly what people do is say they’re going to be out at a certain day and time, and then when someone else is ready to meet them, they call them up and say, “Where are you?”

My sister, who still lives with our parents, does this; it astonishes and bemuses my mother that she can live like that.

I’ve written about this before, but have a few more thoughts: plotting in TV and movies.  A surprising amount of plots move forward because characters lack crucial information, and unfortunately in many cases this becomes a lazy crutch.

There’s a section on this page about how cellphones have changed fiction.

Comment #5: Hershele Ostropoler  on  06/09  at  06:33 PM

Oh, and phone booths are so rare that this one semi-near where I live is practically famous: http://www.huxcomm.net/about/news_room/video_posting/sample.php?video_id=21

I remember, as a kid, when we went to the beach and had to spend one evening of vacation by a phonebooth waiting for the dogsitter to check in.

Comment #6: bomberE  on  06/09  at  06:38 PM

The new BBC reboot of Sherlock Holmes also relies heavily on cellphones.

Comment #7: bomberE  on  06/09  at  06:39 PM

I have a cell phone, I hardly ever use it.  I’m happier that way.  When I started high school, I had to make a long trip on the subway, and my parents basically took the leash off me.  They recognized they had to trust me, and they let go.  That was it.  I didn’t have to account to anyone for my whereabouts every ten minutes once I was 15, and now that I’m a grown-ass woman, I cannot understand anyone voluntarily putting on this electronic leash.  And I’m not interested in anyone who wants me to live that way.

Comment #8: Theresa  on  06/09  at  06:43 PM

I do not have a cell phone.

Yep.

I tried it once and just found I didn’t like it.

I guess it’s prolly just sheer contrariness, but I’m really proud of not having one.

One the debit side of the ledger: The primordial terror I feel when I look over to the next car and see someone - not talking on the cell phone - but looking down for extended periods as they text. Studies have shown that just talking and driving is almost like being drunk - looking down and texting must be that much worse.

More minor annoyance - this I share with my 40+y.o. homeslice Jennifer Aniston: I HATE IT when I’m spending time with a close friend or having dinner etc, and they start texting.

Comment #9: KingElvis  on  06/09  at  06:44 PM

As a mildly agoraphobic and very short person I no longer fear getting lost in large, crowded, or unfamiliar places. I just text my friends and ask where they are or tell them where I am. Huge decrease in anxiety. Didn’t really notice what a great thing this was until my sister and I got separated at a huge-mart in an unfamiliar city, and I got out my phone to call her before realizing that neither she nor my mother has a cellphone! Panic! OMG! They were outside waiting for me.

Comment #10: nora  on  06/09  at  06:46 PM

I think the watch thing is funny.  I’m 38, and I wear a watch.  And I’ve experienced people - especially young people - who think it’s archaic.  But I was talking to a college sophomore the other day (my wife’s cousin), and she was wearing a watch and talking about how cool and convenient it is.  And I’m convinced that if cell phones were invented first and watches came second, watches would be a sensation as being this incredibly convenient device that allowed you to tell what time it was without having to dig your phone out of your pocket or purse.

Comment #11: Wallace  on  06/09  at  06:47 PM

Anything that operates like a Swiss Army Knife is jake with me, which is why I love my Android smartphone (that, and it’s more hackable than an IPhone). The voice phone part is almost an afterthought, reduced from the prime functionality to one of many features.

When I first started using mobiles, I did so reluctantly, preferring a PDA as my mobile device. I didn’t like the idea of people expecting me to pick up the phone at any time or place, simply because I had it on me. Those expectations have gone away due to texting and the fact that almost everyone has a mobile, smart or not.

Motormouths aside, the general understanding has returned to where it once was: that a ringing phone is an intrusion, signaling something urgent. Anything else (and really many urgent matters as well) can be texted, e-mailed, or retrieved from voicemail. And unless you’re separated by distance, those long, deep conversations are better had in person.

Comment #12: Gracchus.  on  06/09  at  06:49 PM

I love my smartphone so much!  I got a smartphone and a nook e-reader around the same time, and I was blown away.  I’m living in the future!

Someday my children will laugh because I had two separate devices for phone and music.  I’ll complain to them that I had to carry 40 pounds of paper textbooks to campus when I was in college.  And I’m only 25!  I’m so young and things have already changed so much.

As someone with an anxiety disorder, the smartphone is especially fantastic.  Texting is so much easier than calling someone and risking an awkward voicemail message when they don’t pick up.  I’ve even asked guys on dates through texting.  I used to actually call, but when some guys started asking me through text, I realized it was acceptable so now that’s what I do.  It’s also fantastic to have GPS and maps on my phone, just in case.  I rarely get lost, but it saves a lot of panic attacks just knowing that I have help available.

I also love that my cell phone number is always the same.  Although landlines will now let you keep your number, it’s easier to just have a cell phone with the same number, especially if I have to move into a place that already has a landline, such as a roommate or moving in with my mom.

Smart phones are also great for finding your way around when you are stumbling around drunk after last call.  Since you’re walking, your car’s GPS is useless.  I live in a city that gets lots of visitors so if I’m going to a party in someone’s hotel and they can’t find it, we can just look it up.

I am also amazed at how well the voice recognition works on my phone.  It is a little ironic that I talk into the phone to send a text message though.

Comment #13: bananacat  on  06/09  at  06:53 PM

“for some reason, they actually still have phone booths in the East End of London.”

We still have them pretty much everywhere in Britain, even though it’s just as rare to meet someone without a cell. I can think offhand where there are public booths near me in my hometown and university town, even though I’ve never used them. It’s neat.

Comment #14: Treefinger  on  06/09  at  06:56 PM

More minor annoyance - this I share with my 40+y.o. homeslice Jennifer Aniston: I HATE IT when I’m spending time with a close friend or having dinner etc, and they start texting.

If they’re texting, it’s probably because you’re boring.  I rarely text when I’m with someone else, except when it is excruciatingly boring, or if they are rude and leaving me out of the conversation.

Comment #15: bananacat  on  06/09  at  06:57 PM

I don’t carry an MP3 player around anymore, since my phone holds a few GB’s of music. That’s really a smartphone advance though.

Comment #16: Liz212  on  06/09  at  06:57 PM

I like analogue watches, but wear them more as fashion and business accessories. A nice watch can be a good conversation piece, and a thing of mechanical beauty. Otherwise, the phone does just fine for telling time.

I HATE IT when I’m spending time with a close friend or having dinner etc, and they start texting

That’s a major peeve for me, too. I’ve dumped a woman in large part because she’d be constantly checking her mobile or even answering it during a dinner or lunch date. If someone’s texting during a business meeting or lecture, I don’t respond kindly, either. If I’m present and attentive for a person, making him my focus and priority at a given time, I expect the same courtesy.

Comment #17: Gracchus.  on  06/09  at  06:58 PM

Not really something that makes a difference to most peoples’ day-to-day lives, but smartphones have removed the onerous burden of keeping your movement about your environment private and unsurveilled. 

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/04/is-your-iphone-keeping-track-of-your-movements-and-storing-it-in-a-secret-file/1

“The Guardian newspaper has stirred up major buzz on the Web today with a report that two security researchers have apparently discovered that Apple’s iPhone keeps track of a user’s every movement and stores it on a secret file inside the device.”

How did we ever live without it?

Comment #18: Microwave Bacon  on  06/09  at  06:59 PM

I’m happier that way.  When I started high school, I had to make a long trip on the subway, and my parents basically took the leash off me.  They recognized they had to trust me, and they let go.

In my experience, cell phones have been used more as a security blanket than an electronic leash.  Cell phones were just becoming popular when I was a teen.  I have no doubt that if I hadn’t had one, my parents would have been far more restrictive.  They rarely ever called it, but they were comfortable letting me drive to the mall or walk to a friend’s house knowing that I could call if I needed help. 

It’s the same thing with my nephew.  He got a limited-access cell phone when he was 10, and he was allowed to bike much longer distances with his friends as long as he took his cell phone with him.  Maybe 2 or 3 times his parents called him to come home if it was time for dinner or something, but it was actually easier to trust him and letting him go knowing that he had a cell phone.

The parents who obsessively call and even track their kids by cell phone wouldn’t suddenly let them go free if cell phones didn’t exist.  These would be the parents that never let their kids leave the house, or would go with them everywhere to keep an eye on them.

Comment #19: bananacat  on  06/09  at  07:02 PM

I love my smartphone so much!  I got a smartphone and a nook e-reader around the same time, and I was blown away.  I’m living in the future!

Yeah, as much as I like the phone, I love my Nook Colour. Modded it with Cyanogen, and turned it into a surprisingly good and versatile tablet (though I must admit that reading books is still its main function for me).

I rarely text when I’m with someone else, except when it is excruciatingly boring, or if they are rude and leaving me out of the conversation.

True, but other people are just clueless or rude. The woman I mentioned above didn’t consider me boring—truth be told, she pursued me more than vice-versa. But then we’d be on a date and she’d be chatting with friend after friend for 5 minutes here and there. Nice person, but after a while it was just pointless and I gave up.

Comment #20: Gracchus.  on  06/09  at  07:09 PM

The Arab Spring couldn’t have happened without cell phones. Most of the footage of regimes’’ efforts to quash their respective revolutions was taken by regular people on their cell phones.
And the Oscar Grant shooting. If it hadn’t been for cell phone cameras, we could have been fed some line about how Grant was being threatening and uncooperative and we wouldn’t have heard any more about it.

Comment #21: snobographer  on  06/09  at  07:12 PM

Following on snobographer at #21, I’ll also note that it’s good for women on a micro-scale. Now cat-calling morons, flashers and other street harassers risk getting themselves photographed in flagrante delicto and ending up on sites like Hollaback or, in especially egregious cases, in the NY Post.

Comment #22: Gracchus.  on  06/09  at  07:16 PM

I ALWAYS use my phone to see in the dark. This occured to me as soon as I bought my first phone when it lit up like the sun when I got a call in the middle of the night.

Comment #23: Mark  on  06/09  at  07:17 PM

One small thing that’s lost:  Area codes are meaningless now since everybody takes their numbers with them.

Gains:

When travelling, no need to pack flashlight, music player, books, notes, alarm clock, address book, bilingual dictionary since they’re all on the phone.

I always have a notepad and a spreadsheet app with me. 

Many people have a video camera handy for recording crimes in progress, even if they have to hide the phone chip in their mouths.  http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2011/06/man_hides_urban_beach_weekend.php

And a story:  Several buses waiting at the main station and passengers want to know which one leaves first.  Drivers were going to consult a supervisor but one passenger had the bus schedule app on his phone showing which bus number was scheduled to leave.  Drivers accepted the app’s data as authoritative and that driver headed out.  Supervisors now obsolete!

Comment #24: Nutella  on  06/09  at  07:18 PM

And, yes, I realize that “well I don’t have a cell phone” is the “well I don’t have a TV” of the 2010s.  My case, at least, has little to do with some kind of high-minded luddism and much to do with poverty (and the fact that I live in a rural hamlet with one street and 15,000 people) (AND the fact that I’d probably just break/lose/forget to turn on the god damn thing) - can you blame a person for trying to make a virtue of necessity?

Comment #25: Microwave Bacon  on  06/09  at  07:19 PM

I love Harry Potter, but JK Rowling relies on the trick of having the adults keep important information from the kids way too much, and after awhile, it becomes grating. These kids have beaten back monsters and have seen war.  You can treat them as mature beings capable of handing it.

actually, this is very consistent with the world and characters she created. none of the magical folk even know what a phone is. everyone is keeping info from harry because dumbledore told them to, and because they still think of harry as the 1-yr-old baby who lived.

besides, if you’ve ever read war and peace, you know that in literature, realistic characters do annoying, stupid things.

Comment #26: cj  on  06/09  at  07:25 PM

“I don’t even have/use a cell phone” is the new “I don’t even own a TV!”

Comment #27: Tyro  on  06/09  at  07:28 PM

Darn it, Microwave Bacon!

Comment #28: Tyro  on  06/09  at  07:29 PM

I have a TV on my cell phone!

Comment #29: bananacat  on  06/09  at  07:34 PM

My wife and I didn’t have smart phones when we moved to Portland. Trying to find our way around resulting in a lot of pointless arguments. Now that I have Google maps and directions (driving, walking and public transportation!) I’m never lost. That’s a new feeling.

Oddly, I find that having the phone has helped me become more familiar with the city faster. I’ve started to build a visual map in my head so each time I go downtown, i need the phone a little less because I recognize where i am based on my memory of previous times looking at the Google map on my phone.

Comment #30: Keith  on  06/09  at  07:34 PM

The voice phone part is almost an afterthought, reduced from the prime functionality to one of many features.

Oh definitely. I don’t even have to listen to voicemail anymore, now that I have Google voice. It sends me transcribed text messages of the voicemail. I sometimes forget that I can just push a buttona nd call someone.

Comment #31: Keith  on  06/09  at  07:37 PM

No. When cell phones became smart phones and all of the other nonsensical shit that in the long run really means diddly fuckshit,came into play,they didn’t remake anyones life but it did seemingly turn any and everyone who uses them into a clueless walking fucking asshole with almost seemingly no self awareness. Cases in point,don’t even get me started on people who text and have there phones on during movies,and every other idiot who stands in the middle of a store,or in some cases walking,with no sense of self awarness,i.e, they seem to not hear when you say excuse me,or they walk right into you without knowing where they’re going.

Also,the double standards coming from some people,esp those on this site,over Weinerpenisdickgatescandal, is astounding. Not going to even bother pointing out the obvious.

“Since waiting on people is quite possibly my number one pet peeve”, oh yeah? And what makes you so fucking special bitch? Sit down,shut up,and wait your turn like anyone else. Life does not start and stop at your expense you miserable piece of shit.

Anyone who carries around a smartphone to find and show off information is an asshole, as in relation to the point about Harry Potter. Nothing against Harry Potter,just saying.

Oh,same thing about people texting and whipping there phones out during movies as being inconsiderate assholes also applies to every douchenozzle who does it during a concert and seriously probably considers themselves some sort of amateur,or depending on the size of there ego,professional in some cases,music journalist.

Oh yeah. People who take pictures of every other stupid fucking thing and declare it awesome makes them an asshole as well.

This has been your daily dose of honest misanthropy that reflects the reality of today,brought to you by me,and I know you enjoyed it. Your welcome.

Comment #32: Iamrightandyouareallwrong  on  06/09  at  07:37 PM

Oh and the story about smartphones and Seinfeld,which I do like,and I’d rather it not be tainted by the overreaching sting of modenity,i.e I don’t need every other scene to have a smart phone or other computer,is one of the dumbest,most pointless,unfunny things I’ve ever read. I don’t know what the fuck they were trying to say with that one,I know they thought they were being so,hip,funny,etc,it’s not.

Oh,this whole article was written as fucking duh and totally pointless. Nice fail Marcotte.

Comment #33: Iamrightandyouareallwrong  on  06/09  at  07:41 PM

Oh, and all this smartphone dicksucking, way to worship a product tools.

Comment #34: Iamrightandyouareallwrong  on  06/09  at  07:42 PM

I can’t be the only one who LOLed at that troll, can I?

Comment #35: bananacat  on  06/09  at  07:44 PM

I think that GPS makes people stupid in a way that maps don’t. I don’t mind forgetting my friends phone numbers. But if I forget how to get to their houses, I would take it as a sign of the apocalypse.

Comment #36: MissCherryPi  on  06/09  at  07:45 PM

As an academic, one area smartphones and other cell phones have changed life is in the archives. Now, I don’t need to bring a scanner or even a digital camera if I need to copy a document, I can use the camera on my phone and take hundreds of pictures during the course of a few-day visit.  One can also quickly access Google Scholar or whatever for a citation.

One thing I am noticing more, though, is that the expectation of instantaneous e-mail responses has risen, both from students and colleagues.  I don’t access the internet from my phone and if there is no wi-fi or I don’t have my laptop with me, it will be several hours (or heaven forfend 12 hours!) before I respond.  If it is urgent, you better call me or send a text.

Another thing I am noticing is how compulsive some people are becoming about answering texts right away.  Like in the car.  Actually, this is why I avoided beepers and subsequently cellphones when they first appeared—I didn’t want to feel obligated to respond or be constantly available.

Comment #37: history_mom  on  06/09  at  07:46 PM

i.e, they seem to not hear when you say excuse me,or they walk right into you without knowing where they’re going.

People were doing that to me before cell phones and currently when they’re not even on their phones.

Comment #38: snobographer  on  06/09  at  07:46 PM

“how compulsive some people are becoming about answering texts right away.”

My wife does this. She thinks every message she receives has to be answered right away. That’s one thing I don’t get.

Comment #39: Mark  on  06/09  at  07:48 PM

I think that GPS makes people stupid in a way that maps don’t.

Yes, because it’s such a smart idea to read a map while you’re driving.

Comment #40: bananacat  on  06/09  at  07:48 PM

“I can’t be the only one who LOLed at that troll, can I?”

I always laugh at him, but probably not in the way they would like.

Comment #41: Mark  on  06/09  at  07:49 PM

As someone who is precisely in the same demographic as the author, I find the classism of this post (and the many others like it that I’ve seen popping up in the past week) hilarious.

I have a “good job,” a graduate degree, and live in a very hipstery urban area.  Alas, I have a bottom-of-the-line Sanyo flip phone.  Why?  Because I can’t afford $150 cell phone payments.

And I get along just fine.  Except for occasionally getting a wee bit annoying at preening privileged techno-hipsters who assume that everyone has a smart phone.  Oy.

Comment #42: StellaTex  on  06/09  at  07:51 PM

22: Gracchus - I like that too, but when shit goes down, I never have my camera ready.

Comment #43: snobographer  on  06/09  at  07:51 PM

Some of the things I use my iPhone for, that would’ve been much more inconvenient without it:
-cooking (I read food blogs and save bookmarks to delicious and there’s a delicious app I can use to pull up a recipe so I don’t need a big clunky cookbook cluttering the work area and I don’t ever need to print).
-grocery shopping; no more writing lists (and, also, I can pull up Bittman’s app or a recipe in delicious right in the store for last-minute ideas).
-maps; no more printing directions or looking at subway maps.
-scheduling; no more paper and I can sync my work calendar with my phone, so I never forget that Monday morning appointment anymore!
-figuring out whether I’m going to walk to work or grab a bus, since I have an app for bus arrivals. If one is coming soon I might hop on.
-planning my weekend; I can be away from computer and still able to look up what’s going on and buy movie tickets or whatever.
-dinner reservations; instead of calling a bunch of places to figure out who has a table for 4 at 9 pm, I can use the Open Table app.
-dictionary on the go.
-weather on the go.
-airline check-in; no more paper tickets!
-music! And now with that Apple cloud business I can have all of it and space will not be an issue.
-news! My RSS feed is out of control!
-books on the go. Even if I forget my kindle, I can pull up my book on the iPhone Kindle app.
-communication. Weirdly the actual “phone” part of the iPhone is the one I use the least.
-knitting. Vogue Knitting has an excellent app. I no longer need multiple row counters and I can take notes on all my projects and not have bits of paper floating everywhere and getting lost.

It’s just really making life more convenient. There’s no bad there.

Comment #44: elena  on  06/09  at  07:51 PM

- Even without a car, walking becomes a voluntary act (at least in a city).  This was driven home to me when I was on crutches - if I ever got too sore or too tired, I could have a taxi to me in five minutes.  And now they’re looking at real time bus tracking in Wellington.

Me, I see in the dark on my PipBoy (tm).

And lastly, my team at work has a habit of looking to me for comment on technological trends - I mentioned a while back that QR codes would be pretty important.  I’ve pressed for “Augmented Reality” to be added to our controlled vocabularies because I think it’s going to be as important or more so than smartphones or the Internet (building on both, of course).  It’s already started with a Nintendo DS application, IIRC.

That’s what’s going to stuff up fiction writers in the future - how are characters plausibly stupid when the landscape around them is tagged and saturated with information?

Comment #45: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/09  at  07:58 PM

I recently re-watched Wait Until Dark and the story (whether play or movie) absolutely hinges upon home phones, people being inaccessible between their office phone and home phone, and phone booths. Still a terrifying movie, but very dated because of this specifically.

And yes, I love my smartphone. I can get around reasonably well in unfamiliar cities, have my alarm clock, time-killing game, address book/planner, etc. And I do use texting a lot more than conversations - so many calls to house phones with “heeey, this is a voicemail for suchandso, hope you get this, event is at 10..” “heeeey suchandso are you there? I called two hours ago and you said you’d be home…” etc.

However, yeah, the ‘I need to text with my friends every two minutes’ thing does get annoying, whether it is in a so-called professional setting or on dates or family functions or whatever.

Comment #46: Tenya  on  06/09  at  08:01 PM

With the Harry Potter comment, the thing is, ageism runs rampant.  There’s a lot of kids out there who can handle a lot more info than they’re given, but deemed not worthy because of their ages.  However, magically, they will be able to handle all the info in the world once they turn 18.  Yet another on the long list of things that need to change.

Comment #47: alicefairy  on  06/09  at  08:13 PM

cj, you completely misread my point.  I wasn’t complaining that Harry Potter doesn’t have a cell phone.  I was complaining that a lot the plot is moved by the fact that the adults know all this stuff about Voldemort, etc. and they don’t tell Harry because he’s just a kid.

Comment #48: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  08:18 PM

A post about cellphones and no mention of that Alamo Drafthouse ad about the mad texter?

Because I can’t afford $150 cell phone payments.

I resisted getting a smartphone for many years because of how expensive the contracts are, but I pay $75 for mine.  If the mobile companies would wise up and stop forcing people to pay for phone service, I’d be paying $35/month.

Comment #49: keshmeshi  on  06/09  at  08:19 PM

The compulsive about answering texts right away thing is not so good.  And surprising!  One reason I will choose a text over a phone call is because my feeling is a text doesn’t have to be answered right away.  If I have something to tell you but it doesn’t have to be right away, I text it so you can answer at your leisure.

Comment #50: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  08:22 PM

I resisted a cell phone for years.  The turning point:  driving from NY to Michigan in a horrible blizzard and having to call our friends in Michigan to tell them we’d be hours late.  After half an hour or so of searching we finally found a pay phone: in the parking lot of a convenience store along the Interstate in Cleveland.  Outdoors, naturally, in a howling wind (plus the noise from the highway), a foot or so of snow on the ground, VERY cold, pitch black (the parking lot lights were mostly not operative), etc. etc.  I found myself thinking, “I could be making this call from the nicely heated interior of my car.”

Comment #51: MTS  on  06/09  at  08:24 PM

How did you find the damn subway surface entrances with a celphone?  Those darn things aren’t very well marked, nor are the maps marked as to which streets and sides you can get up at.  I still ended up geting off at subways stops where I had to walk two blocks down the subway to a stair, then two blocks back to where I was going.

Comment #52: Crissa  on  06/09  at  08:25 PM

A funny example:  Go for a day hike and there’s a handy trailmap on a signboard but of course no paper maps to take along.  Whip out your phone camera and take a picture of the map—no need for the paper ones.

Comment #53: Nutella  on  06/09  at  08:25 PM

*As someone who likes to go to rock shows, I can tell you text messaging may be the most fucking awesome technology ever.

I know Amanda will puke, but texting/smartphones have been great for us Phish fans.  Every show, I can follow the setlist (which changes every show, of course) to see if I want to download the show to listen to it and there’s a site called HoodStream that people can stream the show from.  The video sucks, the sound can be iffy and so on, but it’s nice to listen to the show in real time.  Phish is finally catching on and being their usual early adapter selves, they just announced live streams (audio and video) of their upcoming shows in Georgia.  Too pricey for me ($30 for two shows) but the streams from their New Years Eve run at Madison Square Garden were fantastic, the sound and picture quality top notch.

I don’t have any phone technology because I don’t really need one, plus I’m cool with only websurfing during downtime at work and in the evening, but the only time I miss it is a) when I come across a car accident, it’d be nice to be able to call 911 and b) when I’m lost and running 20 minutes late, I can’t call ahead to let my friends know.

Comment #54: Henry Holland  on  06/09  at  08:27 PM

*As someone who likes to go to rock shows, I can tell you text messaging may be the most fucking awesome technology ever.

I know Amanda will puke, but texting/smartphones have been great for us Phish fans.  Every show, I can follow the setlist (which changes every show, of course) to see if I want to download the show to listen to it and there’s a site called HoodStream that people can stream the show from.  The video sucks, the sound can be iffy and so on, but it’s nice to listen to the show in real time.  Phish is finally catching on and being their usual early adapter selves, they just announced live streams (audio and video) of their upcoming shows in Georgia.  Too pricey for me ($30 for the two shows) but it’s the future, maaaaaaan.

I don’t have any phone technology because I don’t really need one, plus I’m cool with only websurfing during downtime at work and in the evening, but the only time I miss it is a) when I come across a car accident, it’d be nice to be able to call 911 and b) when I’m lost and running 20 minutes late, I can’t call ahead to let my friends know.

Comment #55: Henry Holland  on  06/09  at  08:28 PM

Woops, sorry for the double post.

Comment #56: Henry Holland  on  06/09  at  08:29 PM

I changed from a house phone to a celphone because it was cheaper, and then it became cheaper to have two.

Then suddenly it ballooned to $150 like the cable bill and I’m stuck.  Grr.  I could do with a cheaper phone, but… Meh.  I just make sure I make them give me my free phone every year.

I don’t know why people call it a leash.  Have they not found the volume or power buttons?  My sister has always had a celphone and she turns it off quite frequently.

Comment #57: Crissa  on  06/09  at  08:37 PM

Crissa: There’s an app available that tells you exactly which car on the train you want to be in to end up right by the exit at your destination.  It’s called “Exit Strategy”, IIRC.

Comment #58: Sycorax  on  06/09  at  08:37 PM

It dawned on me not too long ago that voicemail is quickly going the way of the dinosaur, and I’m totally archaic with it. If a friend sees that they have a voicemail, they probably figure it’s from me or grandma.

Comment #59: Mighty Ponygirl  on  06/09  at  09:00 PM

I have a “good job,” a graduate degree, and live in a very hipstery urban area.  Alas, I have a bottom-of-the-line Sanyo flip phone.  Why?  Because I can’t afford $150 cell phone payments.

You seem to be the one with little concept of how lower classes live: they use pre-paid cell phone and data plans from Virgin Mobile and Cricket and off-brand (ie, not Apple) or previous-model cell phones. They’re inexpensive and accessible to almost everyone.

Intentionally continuing to use older and outdated consumer devices can be charming or simply a reflection of disinterest in gadgets (I kept using a typewriter well into the 90s and my mom used to hand write her proposals and have her secretary type them up until around the same time), but don’t try to turn it Ito a virtue or claim that discussing mainstream mass market consumer technologies is classist.

Comment #60: Tyro  on  06/09  at  09:07 PM

At shows, no one holds up a cigarette lighter any more.  Cell phones, up in the air.

Comment #61: Iam138  on  06/09  at  09:10 PM

Well, even if smartphones are expensive, cell phones in general are getting pretty cheap.

Comment #62: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  09:13 PM

So, as for that article you linked to…

This magical device in my possession called a Smart Phone lets me purchase movie tickets in advance, remember restaurants that I like and lead me on my way so I never have to keep extraordinary people like me waiting for too long. You were super sweet and nice, but not having a grown-up’s phone, in addition to not doing your research before you left the house, really and truly put a damper on how much I could rely on you.  New Yorker or not, I need a partner, not a kid brother.

... it does seem a bit classist.  As it happens, if you want a smartphone that can “lead you on your way” and do stuff like plan out your SXSW schedule for the day, you first need to pass a credit check and shell out a chunk of change, and not everyone is in a position to do that.  Not that a begrudge smartphone owners.  I like neat gadgets as much as the next guy.  But I’m not fond of articles like “I Can’t Date You Unless You Have a Smartphone.”

Comment #63: Miguel Bloomfontosis  on  06/09  at  09:16 PM

Microwave Bacon, that “secret file” was not secret and it was not precise location information stored for nefarious purposes; it is a crowd-sourced database on locations and signal strength for the cellular network in various locations. Apple subsequently cut the file down to be much smaller and encrypted it in their latest iPhone update. Not really a big deal; at least not compared to any other smartphone, any of which cam be tapped by the Feds essentially at will.

StellaTex, a big part of the post is about regular ol’ cellphones as well, which as we all know too well, are getting conservative douchebags all pissed off because even homeless people can get their hands on a cheap prepaid phone. But for the part about smartphones, well, they HAVE changed the way people who have them perform certain tasks in their lives; why is it privileged to acknowledge that? Though I didn’t like the linked article about needing a smartphone to date the author very much. In any case, people’s priorities play a big part in whether a smartphone is something they can afford. Many of my fellow GRAS students own smartphones, and grad students are not known for being well-paid. Though I would guess that most are paying more like $70 to $90 a month, not $150; but even at 150, it’s cheaper than a lot of other expenses that people take for granted, like car insurance and maintenance.

And yeah, my attitude is no doubt influenced by the fact that I’m posting this comment from my iPhone right now. So you could say that a big part of what has changed for me, above and beyond what changed when I got my first regular cell phone, is near-constant access to Internet, and all of the additional tools that gives me in my day to day life, not to mention sheer versatility. I was just out doing field work today, and using my phone to check GPS coordinates, take field notes and track time. That’s pretty crazy that I can do that with a phone.

Comment #64: grolby  on  06/09  at  09:16 PM

The only part of the communications revolution that’s done any good for me is SMS/email gateways. Because otherwise none of my bleeping devices talk to one another. On a good day I can get a phone number from my pc’s address book to my cell phone, but appointments and todos no way.

Sure, I’d be doing better if I were willing to spend another $500 a year on it, but I also live in East Nowhere, with no coverage to speak of for phones that do much past voice and text.

If there’s anything that the pocket-gizmo revolution has done for me, it’s been letting me go to sleep with a better idea of what the weather is going to be like in the morning.

Comment #65: paul  on  06/09  at  09:17 PM

Google maps will give you a general idea of where the subway stop is, but yeah, you have to read the signs.  But if you have an iPhone, Exit Strategy is a great, and cheap app. You can look up your line and then the stop you’re going to and it will show you what car is the best one to be in to get out quickly.  I try always to look it up and prewalk it while waiting for the train.

Comment #66: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/09  at  09:22 PM

As it happens, if you want a smartphone that can “lead you on your way” and do stuff like plan out your SXSW schedule for the day, you first need to pass a credit check and shell out a chunk of change, and not everyone is in a position to do that

Yes, I tell you: the first person who comes up with a system that allows people to buy cell phone service in cash each month using some sort of coupons is going to make a fortune. Just imagine what would happen if poor people all over America and even in third world countries had smart phones, maybe even using an open platform for application development. It would be a completely different world!

Comment #67: Tyro  on  06/09  at  09:29 PM

Don’t have one.  Don’t particularly want one. 

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Would probably wave it in the air while yelling at kids to get off my lawn.

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(Actually, I could see where I’d be delighted to have the internet in my pocket all the time.  But being reachable whenever anyone else felt like it?  Suxxors.  I like email because people understand that if they email my home email address, then I’m not going to look at it until I get home, and I might not answer it until the weekend.  The only reason my landline phone is not turned off is because my spouse thinks we should answer it if someone wants to talk to us.  I think we should ignore it until we want to talk to someone.)

(Why yes, I am an introvert, how could you tell?)

Comment #68: Thena, Sultana of Stale Raisin Bread  on  06/09  at  09:40 PM

Ok, so we have, “I don’t even OWN [mass market consumer item]” and “your discussion/expectation of use of [mass market consumer item] is classist/privileged!”

Who has, “[mass market consumer item] acts as a force of colonialist destruction/appropriation of non-western cultures by greedy capitalists!” ?

Comment #69: Tyro  on  06/09  at  09:42 PM

elena, 44:

-grocery shopping; no more writing lists (and, also, I can pull up Bittman’s app or a recipe in delicious right in the store for last-minute ideas).

I use the notes feature for a shopping list but I have not seen an Android grocery app that I like. It makes me want to learn how to make my own.

Amanda, 50:

One reason I will choose a text over a phone call is because my feeling is a text doesn’t have to be answered right away.  If I have something to tell you but it doesn’t have to be right away, I text it so you can answer at your leisure.

I ostensibly text rather than call when I don’t really need an answer. If I’m simply conveying information there’s no reason to have a whole conversation.

Really I do it because I hate talking on the phone; I think I understand bananacat’s perspective on this.

Crissa, 52:

How did you find the damn subway surface entrances with a celphone?  Those darn things aren’t very well marked, nor are the maps marked as to which streets and sides you can get up at.  I still ended up geting off at subways stops where I had to walk two blocks down the subway to a stair, then two blocks back to where I was going.

That’s a result of spending $4 million naming a bridge after a billionaire who was killed 3,000 miles away instead of commissioning proper fucking maps. It’s not about technology.

Sycorax, 58:

Crissa: There’s an app available that tells you exactly which car on the train you want to be in to end up right by the exit at your destination.  It’s called “Exit Strategy”, IIRC.

That’s great. And probably not available for my phone.

Comment #70: Hershele Ostropoler  on  06/09  at  10:14 PM

I find I feel less tied down with a cell phone than I ever felt without one. I keep the volume off about 95% of the time (my line of work is not conducive to noisy interruptions). As a result I only notice calls or texts when I check the time. Back in the olden days when I had a land line the first thing I would do when ever I got home was check messages. Even though I could turn the ringer off on the land phone for some reason I never did so I was always answering the phone when it rang. Now I rarely answer the phone and for the last year or so have switched to predominantly text based communications although there are times when only a phone call will suffice.

I don’t have a smartphone but an older Nokia flip. I keep thinking about getting one but don’t because I can’t fully justify the cost even though I could afford it. I also usually only replace items when they break or are hopelessly obsolete. The big problem with my Nokia is that it is bomb proof. Nokia makes incredibly durable phones that really only need to be replaced when the battery finally dies.

I love that when I travel I don’t need to use hotel phones or pay phones and also that I don’t have to pay long distance charges.

Cell phone? Hell yeah!

Comment #71: Colorado Dave  on  06/09  at  10:16 PM

I have a “good job,” a graduate degree, and live in a very hipstery urban area.  Alas, I have a bottom-of-the-line Sanyo flip phone.  Why?  Because I can’t afford $150 cell phone payments.

Although $150 might fit well into your narrative. It’s simply not true. I pay $53 w/ tax included. Considering that around here you need to pay $35 to get a decent landline it’s not that ridiculous.

Crap, right now Virgin Mobile Canada will give you a FREE iPhone if you sign up with their $50/month data plan. Or you can get a free Samsung Galaxy or HTC Legend with a $40/month plan.

Virgin Mobile USA will give a data plan for $25/month if you plunk the $100 bucks down for the phone.

And all of this is totally pissing me off because these plans are way better than the one I signed up for 2 years ago. Damn you Rogers.

Then we have to talk about this whole cheap phones don’t have these things idea. “Dumbphones” are pretty advanced these days they have things like web browsers, email and the google. Even the cheapest pay-as-you-go you can get from Virgin, $14.99, has the ability to surf the web, email and instant message.

Also while I haven’t read the article Amanda linked, 90% of what she talks about applies any cell phone in general, even from five years ago. The only smartphone-y things are sending pics and maps. Both of which most dumbphones do now anyways.

Comment #72: hypatia  on  06/09  at  10:26 PM

I think the loss of home phones is a good subset of how cell phones have changed us. 

And stellatex, I still have a flip for my cell, but when my work got me a blackberry first i hated it and now I can hardly do without it for all the things my work did NOT intend its use for.  The discussion sounds silly when youre not a part of the sea change.

Comment #73: pasteymachine  on  06/09  at  10:31 PM

Spontaneous movie viewings. Lots of times, my husband and I have been out running errands and realized we actually had time to go to the movies, whipped out the phone and found the most convenient theater/showings. No advance planning necessary.

Ditto for spontaneous dining. We use the Open Table app for reservations all the time.

And of course, there’s dispute settling. Given that I and most of the people I know are at least occasionally persnickety, it’s nice to be able to look up random facts, pronunciations, etc.

I have always hated talking on the phone, but now, I actually like phones.

Comment #74: Phoebe Fay  on  06/09  at  10:41 PM

Then we have to talk about this whole cheap phones don’t have these things idea. “Dumbphones” are pretty advanced these days they have things like web browsers, email and the google. Even the cheapest pay-as-you-go you can get from Virgin, $14.99, has the ability to surf the web, email and instant message.

This, pretty much. 

I don’t have a smartphone, but the phone I do have is capable of email, internet surfing, text, etc., etc.  I don’t use most of that stuff, because I don’t have a data plan for my phone (I only just agreed to get text when I got this one last fall when I got a phone with a qwerty keypad; I hate trying to write things while cycling through and the auto-complete was just irritating).  And mainly I don’t have a data plan because the husband has an Evo and so I don’t really need it.  Also I’m cheap and I can just use his phone if I need to access that stuff.

Comment #75: ks  on  06/09  at  10:44 PM

Iam138:

I have a Zippo app on my iPod for precisely that purpose.

Comment #76: BrianX  on  06/09  at  10:58 PM

Using a cell phone instead of a watch reminds me of the earliest digital watches with LED readouts, where you had to push a button to read the time. If I want the time I glance at my wrist, instead of digging the phone out of my pocket.

On the other hand, cell phones tell time very accurately. Once at a restaurant I was able to observe my neighbors’ fashionable watches and found that none was within 5 minutes of the right time.

I’ve got a cheap phone, pay only $20/mo for service, and the function I use most often is the calculator.

Comment #77: bad Jim  on  06/09  at  11:00 PM

My first learning experience with a cell phone was when I called someone while driving.  I could feel my concentration strained to the limit, although I soon learned how to do both without too much trouble, but I don’t do it a lot because the cops here will ticket you as is the law in CA.  The first day said law came into effect, the cops down in Beverly Hills tried to pull someone over for using a cell phone, they ended up arresting the guy after his unsuccessful attempt to flee them because he was driving a stolen van.

What is funny is my father is uncomfortable with the notion of driving and talking on the cell phone, but he’s the one who always had me talk on long trips so that he wouldn’t lose concentration or feel sleepy while doing so.

My current cell phone takes as long to charge as the old brick-sized one I started out with in 1997, but I can play with pictures taken by the camera, including making them into b&w or turning pictures into a photographic ‘negative as well.

Hypatia, here they charge extra for Internet access except for using it to check ones’ account as with my account, I don’t think the kind of plan you mentioned are available in the States with any cell phone carrier.

I’ve noticed that cell phones are used a lot for communication and plot advancement in the soaps my noble spouse watches.

A few years ago a company featured on the CBS soap “The Young and the Restless”(or as I call it, “The Old and the Moldy”) had a plotline where one of the companies debuted their line online and had a server crash because of the unexpected demand, which echoed what happen with Victoria’s Secret around the same time period.

Comment #78: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/09  at  11:06 PM

I hate people who expect you to answer texts right away. These are often the same people who find it disturbing if your phone goes to voice mail, because the possibility that you might be driving, at the movies, on a call, working, or just generally living your life, never occurred to them. I hate how we’re expected to be accessible 24/7. A lot of my friends erroneously think I go to bed early - ha ha - because I stop replying to texts after 10 pm. That cut-off is my way off unplugging from humanity and spending a few hours concentrating on writing or a movie or someone. But goood god, some people act like you’ve probably been murdered if a text goes unanswered for a few hours.

Comment #79: Veronica  on  06/09  at  11:12 PM

I was on a bird walk and a fellow bird watcher played a bird call from their phone.

Comment #80: Albert Cirrus  on  06/10  at  12:00 AM

Great post, should draw 200 or so comments (but might not be flame-y enough).
1.  I assume teens can’t hide from their parents as well.  A co-worker tells her daughter to back up what she says about her whereabouts.  “You say you’re at a party, the library, a museum?  Text me a picture now.”  Maybe her daughter can play the no-signal/I-can’t-hear-you card, but not always.
2.  Not just TV and movie plotting but all plotting.  Paul Auster’s 2010 novel “Sunset Park,” set in 2008, was a Boomer fail.  His characters were youngish and Auster couldn’t be arsed to figure out how Teh Kidz are using their phones.  And he had a bright high schooler apply to Barnard but not Columbia.
  Uncertainty has always been a mainstay of fiction, and so much of it has been eliminated or superseded.  MFA programs that teach writing must be having a cow.  As I type, a writer is wondering whether Twitter is a fad.

 

Comment #81: Unree  on  06/10  at  12:30 AM

I don’t carry an MP3 player around anymore, since my phone holds a few GB’s of music.

I don’t even store MP3s onto my phone’s SD card anymore, since Google just gave me an awesome huge amount of cloud storage space (20,000 songs capacity) a few weeks ago.

Comment #82: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  12:39 AM

I feel like even more of a luddite seeing all the things people use their phones for.  That’s alright, I guess.  It’ll be there for me if I want it.

Comment #83: bomberE  on  06/10  at  12:53 AM

I forgot to mention the watch thing. I hate wearing wrist watches - they don’t sit comfortably on my skinny, bony wrists, the skin underneath them gets disgusting and itchy and they just don’t look good on me. I was already not really bothering much with them, and the phone is something I have with me all the time anyway.

Veronica, do you just know some obnoxious people? I had this problem with a particular friend in college, but it seems to have gone away. Maybe I’m lucky. I feel for you, because few things piss me off like late-night calls or texts waking me. If you call me 5 AM, it had better be a fucking crisis. Of course, since my presumption is that I won’t be called at such an hour unless it IS a crisis, the phone ringing at that hour is upsetting. Of course, given that we’re talking about being at home, late-night phone calls are hardly something that cell phones can be blamed for.

Comment #84: grolby  on  06/10  at  01:02 AM

OK, I have unlimited data and unlimited texting. That’s $45 I think. I have the cheapest voice plan you can get with an iPhone since I text all the time but only talk at length on a regular basis to my folks or my husband. That’s $38. So, really, the whole idea that the “smart” part of the smartphone plan is what’s making it so expensive is just not true. And even then, it still ain’t $150/month.

Also, the idea that a cell is somehow more of an electronic leash than a home phone is kind of bull, IMO. I have my ringer off at least 8 hours a day when I’m at work. I only see a text or a missed call if I happen to need my organizer app or a calculator or something else work related. I have push notifications turned off for email, so unless I open the app, I won’t even know if I have any new email. Sure, there are people who expect more prompt response than I’m usually providing. It’s not really a huge deal to explain your boundaries to people. My dad has a bad habit of calling whenever something pops into his head but he knows that I won’t pick up at work or if I’m in a foul mood. He knows because I did the same thing before cell phones. So, yeah, this technology is a tool. You get out of it what you want and need. It’s only a leash if you see it that way and a hindrance if you can’t establish boundaries for its use.  Like any other tech. In my case, having a computer always within reach is encouraging my night owl tendencies so I end up reading soccer websites and posting on blogs when I should be sleeping on a work night.

Comment #85: elena  on  06/10  at  01:07 AM

I was quite reluctant to get a cell phone for years because I feared being expected to be available 24/7, hated to talk long on the phone(10 minutes is a long phone call), along with the additional expense.  It was only after there was some issues with coordinating an outing with friends in another city that I finally got one. 

In the process, I learned the benefits of convenient access, dropped my landline, and found enforcing my boundaries to be much easier than expected (Turning phone off when not needed and telling others that I was busy/in subway/battery running low/otherwise unable to access cell).  While some were annoyed about not being able to reach me at their whim, that’s their problem and I’ve posed the point at how unreasonable it was to expect anyone to be available 24/7 unless they are obligated to do so for business/legal/emergency reasons. 

Another part of this is my desire to not contribute to the cell phone rudeness problems I’ve observed firsthand in college classrooms, libraries, and other venues when their use is inappropriate.  If one needs to make a cell call, it should be taken outside to avoid rudely disturbing others.  Never understood why so many fail to get that or worse….exhibit angry entitled attitudes when this is pointed out to them.

Comment #86: exholt  on  06/10  at  02:24 AM

I watched the trailer for the new Fright Night movie, and there was one part I lol’d at… the kid jumps the fence to break into the bad guy’s house, and he pulls up a smartphone app on “How to pick locks”. I found that really funny.

Comment #87: KMac  on  06/10  at  03:16 AM

<quote>Ok, so we have, “I don’t even OWN [mass market consumer item]” and “your discussion/expectation of use of [mass market consumer item] is classist/privileged!”

Who has, “[mass market consumer item] acts as a force of colonialist destruction/appropriation of non-western cultures by greedy capitalists!” ?</quote>

Mmm, that one doesn’t work, and “[mass market consumer item] uses rare mineral resources which are mined in horrendous conditions” actually does have a point. What about “[mass market consumer item] reinforces gender roles through [an incredibly sketchy correlation between some physical/technological aspect of the MMCI and some part of gender essentialism]”? There’s got to be some article out there on how our increasing dependence on digital media, which uses a binary format to encode information, enforces binary conceptions of gender, sexuality, and gender roles.

Comment #88: Maureen  on  06/10  at  03:19 AM

These are often the same people who find it disturbing if your phone goes to voice mail, because the possibility that you might be driving, at the movies, on a call, working, or just generally living your life, never occurred to them.

T-Mobile has an app called “Drive Smart” which sends out an automatic text reply to people who text you while you are driving (or engaged in any other activity in which you don’t want to be disturbed). It lets the text sender know that you aren’t ignoring them, but you can’t reply because you’re preoccupied with driving and it isn’t safe to text at that moment (some studies have shown texting and driving to be even more dangerous than drinking and driving). It even has the ability to automatically activate itself when the phone’s GPS determines that you are driving (moving at a too fast a rate to be walking).

Comment #89: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  03:36 AM

@Thena, Sultana of Stale Raisin Bread

(Why yes, I am an introvert, how could you tell?)

The pretentious and over-wordy nickname is a sure sign there’s something wrong with you…

Comment #90: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/10  at  05:31 AM

I’ve dumped a woman in large part because she’d be constantly checking her mobile or even answering it during a dinner or lunch date.

Minor threadjack, but I’ve always wanted to ask you this… are you from the UK? I only ask because I’ve noticed you always use British English (favourite, dialogue, mobile) in your comments. Just curious.

Comment #91: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  06:01 AM

Oh definitely. I don’t even have to listen to voicemail anymore, now that I have Google voice. It sends me transcribed text messages of the voicemail. I sometimes forget that I can just push a buttona nd call someone.

I’ve got it too, but my experience is that the transcriptions completely suck ass and create nonsense sentences based on what the program interpreted rather than what the caller actually said. I have yet to get a single Google Voice message that’s a perfect transcription of what the caller actually said. Throw in a bunch of proper nouns (ie unusual names) and it completely fucks it up.

Comment #92: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  07:15 AM

I still use my office number for personal calls because my workplace was apparently built to withstand the collapse of the universe, and if you’re on most carriers there’s roughly two places in the building with reliable service.  Fortunately, we have also invented call waiting and hold functions, so that doesn’t pose a work problem.  Coworkers on one of the few carriers with enough penetration (I guess they have a tower on top of us or something?) routinely forward their office lines to their cells when they’ll be away from the desk for a while, though, which means that you don’t have to worry about missing an important call because of a less-important business function.  Which is pretty awesome.

I text (myself and others) directions and addresses when we’re meeting someplace prearranged.  Way easier than calling and hoping they write everything down correctly and hear me properly.

Text was actually what put cell phones over the hump for me, since you don’t have to answer or get an answer right away, you don’t have to fiddle with voicemail, and you can read a message instead of replaying it a dozen times trying to get the whole phone number or make sure you heard the street name right.  The ubiquity of smartphones with access to GPS functions and/or google maps has made finding things so much easier, and if you do get lost, so long as you have the number of the place, you can just fucking call them from somewhere and ask for directions.

Comment #93: preying mantis  on  06/10  at  07:18 AM

Sorry, should have clarified that my question @ #91 was directed at Gracchus.

Comment #94: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  08:25 AM

Admittedly, I am a bit of a technophobe when it comes to cell phones, but some of your changes seem to assume that way more people have smart phones than they do. I still see a lot of people with “basic” phones, so I don’t know how many people are “saving their toes” by using their phone as a light. I also know a lot of workplaces that seriously frown on cell phone use during work hours or outright ban them. However, I’m still in the dark-ages of cell phones with a pay-as-you go basic flip phone (I HATE contracts) and I don’t even know how to text very well.

I actually don’t like the immediate availability of cell phones and prefer people to call me on my home phone when I actually have time to talk. I don’t want to be interrupted while I’m out doing something, so only my husband, my mother, and daycare have my cell# unless there is a need to give it out situationally.  I do see a lot more people not leaving messages and it drives me nuts because some of them will then get mad that I didn’t call them back. Leave a message and I will.

I have noticed fewer people pulling up and honking their car horn to let someone know they’ve arrived.

Comment #95: Livi  on  06/10  at  09:29 AM

For a non-scandal it did a pretty good impression of a scandal lol.  Anyway, I wouldn’t name Breitbart again if I were going to lie/pretend someone had hacked me.  Next thing you know your junk is all over the place instead of in the inboxes where it belongs.  D’oh!

Comment #96: Anonymouse  on  06/10  at  09:55 AM

I stopped wearing a watch for about twenty years, then started again in the late ‘00s.  I was traveling a great deal for work and being in places where either there was no signal or the equipment I was working on/surveying messed with the signal or people were required to turn off cell phones.  It helped that I can now get a decent watch that fits like a loosish bracelet; old style bands irritate my skin.

Comment #97: helen w. h.  on  06/10  at  09:55 AM

Comment #42: StellaTex, same here. That’s a big reason I have a basic pay-as-you-go phone, and I don’t give my number out very much. I really only use it to talk with the spouse when I need to. I spend $15/month or less on my cell phone and I like to keep it that way. I have computer access for finding info, we did buy a GPS a couple of years ago for directions, and recently I splurged on a Nook. Of those, only the internet requires monthly payments and compared to a smartphone with all the bells and whistles it’s very cheap.

Comment #98: Livi  on  06/10  at  10:00 AM

I can remember my first girlfriend’s dorm room phone number at UK (257-1257), from 1971, but I don’t know my wife’s or daughters’ cell phone numbers. 

The biggest change for me is that we no longer have a land-line telephone.  My wife had insisted on keeping it for a couple of years after I said we didn’t need it, but then the line developed a physical problem, and I was in no hurry to get it fixed.  After a while, it became obvious that we just didn’t need a land-line anymore.

The other day, my wife and older daughter were playing Scrabble on their Droids, one upstairs and one down, rather than using the actual game board and wooden pieces.  Maybe this isn’t entirely progress .  .  .  .

Comment #99: Dana  on  06/10  at  10:01 AM

If they’re texting, it’s probably because you’re boring.  I rarely text when I’m with someone else, except when it is excruciatingly boring, or if they are rude and leaving me out of the conversation.

WOW. How insulting. Maybe you’re a vacuous slut.

Comment #100: KingElvis  on  06/10  at  10:11 AM

Nuttella @ 53.  I did that on one of the the coastal boardwalks in Singapore.  Also great for amusement parks, wildlife parks, zoos and museums.

Comment #101: helen w. h.  on  06/10  at  10:16 AM

I remember being really smug about not owning a cell phone when I was 20. Then I got one, and could find out when the bus was coming.

Comment #102: HonestB  on  06/10  at  10:20 AM

helen w.h., until recently, I’ve had the opposite problem with watch bands until recently, I had to wear metal bands because the plastic ones that Casio features with their watches would break down under the chemical attack from my sweat .

I have a G-shock that hasn’t broken down in 2 years because I guess they finally got around to reformulating or changing the material to deal with this problem.

I forgot to mention that I wear watches on both wrists, a habit my mother picked up from following San Francisco society and their habits in the S. F. Chronicle.

Comment #103: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/10  at  10:35 AM

“(I love Harry Potter, but JK Rowling relies on the trick of having the adults keep important information from the kids way too much, and after awhile, it becomes grating. These kids have beaten back monsters and have seen war.  You can treat them as mature beings capable of handing it.”

This HP convention works, though, because for the kids who read HP, who haven’t dealt with literal monsters and wars, it reflects their lived experience of adults not telling them things they should know—for example, information about sex.

Comment #104: oldfeminist  on  06/10  at  10:39 AM

Gracchus:  “I like analogue watches, but wear them more as fashion and business accessories. A nice watch can be a good conversation piece, and a thing of mechanical beauty. Otherwise, the phone does just fine for telling time….That’s a major peeve for me, too. I’ve dumped a woman in large part because she’d be constantly checking her mobile or even answering it during a dinner or lunch date.”

Maybe she wanted to know what time it was but couldn’t just tilt her wrist to glance at her watch.

Comment #105: oldfeminist  on  06/10  at  10:44 AM

Colorado Dave @ 71: Motorola makes a ruggedized smart phone that looks like an old flip with rubber edging for drop protection and water resistance.  When my old motorola died (after several years of drops into trenches, off towers, etc) I had to really look to find a replacement.  Unfortunately, I think they were phasing this one out and that was why I got a deal last year.  It has a gps app, that I almost never use (but feel better having) and options for a ton of others; I mostly use it to phone and text.

Comment #106: helen w. h.  on  06/10  at  10:48 AM

I put off getting a cellphone for a very long time, but finally got one of the non-contract, pay-as-you-go variety when I found myself far from a public phone one day and needed to call the police.  I realized that I was depriving myself of an incredibly useful tool because certain aspects of it annoyed me a little. 

It suddenly seemed like refusing to use a knife because I didn’t like the way it felt in my hand.  It made no sense.  Tools are exactly as bad or good as the use you make of them.  I don’t use the cellphone much, but I’m really glad to have one.  I’m also cheating a bit, because all of those things that people use cellphones for (e-mail, texting, internet, research, entertainment, pictures) I get through a combination of my iPod and iPad.  I remember the world before I had these things, and my world today is so much richer I would never want to go back.

I know it’s a side-road on the subject of phones themselves, but I’m a music-lover, and I get so much more use out of my music collection now that I carry it around with me in my pocket.  Also, I discover new music much more quickly and share it more easily.  All of this makes me so happy.  Thank you technology for making me so happy!

Comment #107: Eileen  on  06/10  at  10:52 AM

WOW. How insulting. Maybe you’re a vacuous slut.

Yes, I am a slut.  Oh wait, was that supposed to be an insult?  Being on a feminist blog, I forgot that I’m supposed to be ashamed of enjoying sex.  I’m not vacuous though, and it seems you pulled that one out of your ass because my posting history speaks for itself.  Nice try though.

Comment #108: bananacat  on  06/10  at  11:16 AM

Let it roll off, bananacat.  This is the same guy who’s proud to have eschewed one of the most useful technological advances of the last century.  In pre-history he’d have been the guy saying his life was better because he didn’t feel compelled to use the wheel or the lever.  Let’s just let history swallow him up as he basks in his perfect irrelevancy.

Comment #109: Eileen  on  06/10  at  11:24 AM

The event-planning thing is one of the things that bothers me about cell phones.  People seem less capable of making plans or committing to an event (because something better might come along) and even when they do, they are much more likely to bail at the last minute, and it seems to be tied with how easy it is to call/text/email to change or cancel plans.  On the other hand, it’s great for letting someone know if you’re going to be a little late because the Red Line just caught on fire, or when you need additional directions or got lost.  Also great for directions or finding a particular kind of business nearby.

I think it’s also made driving more dangerous—people are talking or texting while driving, and everyone has convinced themselves that they can do it safely, but really no one can, so you have a lot more inattentive drivers.  Also, inattentive walkers, but I’ve decided that it’s kosher to trip someone who’s walking and texting.  Seriously, people, watch where you’re going, or step aside and check the message. 

People who take phone calls/text/surf the web while in a conversation with an actual live person in front of them drive me crazy, mostly because it’s incredibly rude.  It’s as though because the device allows you to be contacted constantly, you are supposed to be available constantly.  I shouldn’t need an app telling people who text me why I can’t respond right away, because usually there is no good reason why I would need to respond right away.  I don’t like to be available constantly.  Plus, text is useful for conveying information, but it’s not a great way to have nuanced conversation.  I see people analyzing texts like crazy, or get upset about some electronic communication, or escalate some silly interpersonal drama by reacting instantly to everything with a text or responding immediately to a text with another.  The phone should facilitate your interaction with other people, not be your interaction with other people.  I do love sending photos and notes to people when I’m out somewhere and I see something that reminds me of them or that I know they’d appreciate. 

I wear a watch.  I don’t always carry my phone, and I don’t want to have to dig in my bag every time I want to check the time.  We also have a land line, because you need it to buzz people into the building, we have a dirt-cheap rate, and in an emergency we don’t have to worry about battery life or reception problems.  Also, we get to participate in a lot more surveys.

Comment #110: Kit-Kat  on  06/10  at  11:26 AM

The “trying to find a fucking phone booth” part made me laugh. 20 years ago public pay phones (though no longer booths) were everywhere. (My grandfather even started a pay phone business in the early 90s.) But by the time I got my first cell phone in 2001, the increasing popularity of cell phones had made public pay phones very rare. It was very much a self-feeding phenomenon; people got cell phones, making pay phones less profitable and get removed, so more people decided they needed to get cell phones.

Even that first phone ended up being used as a flashlight, and when my watch died I realized that I didn’t really need to look for another watch. (Which is good because they tend to look silly on my tiny wrists.)

My last “dumb” phone was still smart enough to have a decent qwerty keyboard, web browser, and GPS navigation (thanks to Sprint). That navigation ability changed my life, and meant that I no longer needed to carry a pile of maps (or iffy directions) when traveling. I also texted a lot with that phone, and did (do?) consider texts to be something to be answered quickly, in contrast to email.

But I’m a tech geek, and I love what I can do with my Android phone now. I even use it more at home than I use my home computer. Google Maps alone is huge, goes beyond just navigation to let me see the maps (no more overstuffed glove box) plus traffic information. And I’ve now gone beyond putting a fraction of my music on the phone (though I still do) since I can stream my whole collection (with Subsonic) or new finds (with Pandora and other services).

I sympathize with those annoyed with assumptions that anyone can afford a smart phone. A lot of my friends are barely scraping by, and I sometimes have to remind myself not to assume that their phones can do what mine can. But even the most basic ones are more capable and life-changing than the one I got a decade ago.

I am still bothered that not only are we encouraged to trash our phones every two years (poison in the landfills!), but the technology is advancing so rapidly that our phones are often treated as obsolete after only a year.

Finally: HonestB’s and Eileen’s comments above (102 & 107) sound very much like my feelings.

Comment #111: Rob Funk  on  06/10  at  11:39 AM

About dangerous driving:

I think this is much more a function of horribly bad traffic than availability of cell phones.  I used to be adamantly against using cell phones while driving, and mostly still am.  But when I am literally sitting still for 5 minutes at a time, then cruising at 5 mph for a block, then sitting again for 5 minutes, I sort of forget that I’m driving.  During those times I have been tempted to mess with my cell phone, or even read a book, just out of sheer boredom.  But then it becomes habit and it’s easier to do something like while I’m actually driving at a normal pace.  I think that traffic has gotten worse as cell phones have become more common.  In the past, people would just read newspapers, eat breakfast, or apply make-up while sitting in traffic.

One thing that makes driving safer is GPS.  Whether it’s on my cell phone or a standalone GPS unit, it means I no longer have to read directions or a map while I’m trying to drive.

About the price:

Considering everything that a smart phone can do, it can potentially save you money.  I got my smartphone when my MP3 player stopped working and my cell phone was getting wonky from age.  Instead of buying two new devices, I just got one.  In my case, my phone was free with a plan, which is about $160 a month for two lines, and only because I wanted to lock in unlimited data while it was still being offered.  So for the device itself, I paid nothing to get a new MP3 player, and I presumably won’t have to replace my GPS ever again because it will always be available on my phones, so I’m saving hundreds there.  As for the plan, I am saving money by not needing a landline.  So it’s actually cheaper than it seems, and I know that there are cheaper plans available.  I have some good friends who are working-class and struggle with money.  For over a year, the wife didn’t have a car and had to get friends to drive her to work.  But they still manage to have smartphones.  I have no idea if they are in debt or bad at managing money, but I have no reason to assume anything.  Smartphones can be expensive, but in the long run you often come out ahead.

Comment #112: bananacat  on  06/10  at  11:51 AM

My work Blackberry is hooked into our internal network, so I can see internal web pages to monitor servers and processes.  I know you can also use VPN to do this on at least some phones, but this is of course easier and probably more secure. 

I can contact any of the people I work with or for immediately.  We have a ticketing system and I’ve set all emails from that address to notify with a special tone so I never miss one.

With my personal Blackberry, I take pictures of all kinds of things and send them to friends and also to Facebook.  I’m pretty visual so that happens daily at least.  The camera is pretty good and does good closeups with zoom, so “what bug is this” gets useful answers.  When I’m wearing my contacts I use it as a magnifying glass to see detail my eyes can’t get any more or to take pictures of things with serial numbers and such that I won’t easily remember.

I have a Bluetooth earpiece that will pair up with two phones at the same time.  Handsfree while driving is the law in my state.  But that’s not the only reason—I’m one of those people who can’t squeeze the phone between my shoulder and ear when talking without dropping it on the ground.  And I just don’t like my hands full of stuff.  I was the only kid in my elementary school who used a backpack to carry my books (that will tell you how old I am) and I love the fact that across-the-chest purse straps are widely available now.

Being able to walk into our local datacenter and pull out the right drive from the right server while talking to the datacenter manager 700 miles away who’s blinking it remotely for me is great.  So I just wear the Bluetooth all the time, which yes, is sometimes confusing when people around me don’t realize I’m on the phone.  I’ve taken to putting my hand on the earpiece just as if there’s a phone there if others are around, and that usually works to signal “she’s on the phone” to others.  Though that defeats the hands-freeness of it!

The personal BB has a real talking GPS as part of the carrier’s package (not just google maps).  I have a mount on my dashboard for it which I originally got so I could use speakerphone with it.  The car’s stereo will sync up in A/V mode so if I put music on the phone I could listen to it in the car.  The stereo wasn’t expensive, either.  It does phone as well but I like the headset sound better.

Comment #113: oldfeminist  on  06/10  at  11:55 AM

DAGCM: Actually the same sort of problem; my sweat broke down the metal which then attacked my skin and occationally caused actual chem burns when the plastic bands held the watch too tight to my skin.  Also discoloration to the plastic bands and overquick wear on them.

Comment #114: helen w. h.  on  06/10  at  12:02 PM

I keep wondering why no one has made a cell phone which looks like the old flip-top communicators from Star Trek.  They’d sell a zillion of them, including to me.

Comment #115: Dana  on  06/10  at  12:16 PM

The funny thing about those flip-top Star Trek communicators is that real technology has far surpassed them.  Now we just need to perfect transporting, scanning, and phasers.

Comment #116: Eileen  on  06/10  at  12:19 PM

some of your changes seem to assume that way more people have smart phones than they do.

There are 45 million smart phones in the USA. Even my last “dumb” phone could access google maps, and lots of us made active use of text messaging for more than a decade.

Comment #117: Tyro  on  06/10  at  12:23 PM

Comment #117: Tyro, maybe it’s just my neck of the woods then.

As an aside, the use of “dumb phone” bugs me. I understand it’s a nice counter to “smart phone”, but why not call it plain instead of dumb?

P.S. I also want you kids to get off my lawn. raspberry

Comment #118: Livi  on  06/10  at  12:38 PM

Eileen, don’t forget the tricorder.

Comment #119: oldfeminist  on  06/10  at  12:39 PM

I was on a vampire kick last year, so I read all the Vampire Diaries books.  The original books had been written in the early 90’s, when I was in high school, so there was a lot of note passing.  But the last book was written in 2009 (in response to the popularity of the TV show).  In that one, one of the witch characters needed a lock of hair to do a spell to contact someone who was travelling on the other side of the world (she had done this in the previous pre-cell phone books), but then one of the characters stopped her and said, “I have a cell phone.  Let’s just call him.”

Comment #120: Alphabet Soup  on  06/10  at  12:44 PM

On the other hand, it’s great for letting someone know if you’re going to be a little late because the Red Line just caught on fire

My old cell used to let me store texts for quick sending; I had one that said, “Running late, CTA fuckery.”

Comment #121: Well, what?  on  06/10  at  12:45 PM

@oldfeminist: https://market.android.com/details?id=org.hermit.tricorder

Comment #122: Rob Funk  on  06/10  at  12:45 PM

Eileen, true, but the communicators were also equipped with a universal translator, so that would be nice to have.

Having a smartphone changed my life, seriously.  I can’t imagine what it would be like to go back to the dark ages.  First and foremost, I am not good with directions and am a nervous driver, particularly when traveling to unfamiliar areas, so having the navigation saved me, particularly when you’re out with friends at one location and decide to go to another location immediately following. 

The meeting up with friends thing is huge, too.  When I was at Coachella this year, texts were sometimes delayed and my phone ran out of juice completely one night, so I just wasn’t able to find the friends I was supposed to meet up with at all.  Next year I’ll bring a battery booster of some sort.

Also, phone books!  Remember those big-ass things?  I haven’t used a phone book in years and years.  I don’t even think I’ve had one delivered to my residence in ages, either, come to think of it. 

Voicemail!  I almost never use it because of text and email available on my phone.  My dad will text me to ask if I got his voicemail sometimes and I’m like uhh why on earth don’t you just repeat the information via text?  Silly dads.  But yeah, even though I do still use the phone a lot on the job, I hardly ever leave messages for people at work anymore, unless I don’t have an email contact for them, just out of habit I guess.  I know that they’ll see that I called in their history and I’d always rather receive information in an email than a voicemail myself, so I assume many other people are the same way.

I’m watching Buffy for the first time on Netflix these days and I can’t count how many times my bf and I observe how problems could be solved if any of the characters had (basic, not even smart) cell phones.  I guess when the show started cell phone use among teens wasn’t prevalent enough (although I had one in 1997 and I grew up in flyover), but by the time they’re in college?  Really?  Not even Giles or any of the adults has one?  It’s a fantastic show and everything, but it strikes me as odd that I’m five seasons in, making it what, 2000-2001 and there are no cell phones.  Maybe the hellmouth disrupts reception in Sunnydale?

Comment #123: chareth cutestory  on  06/10  at  01:02 PM

The university theater near me uses smart phones to take tickets by scanning the barcode—that’s pretty cool, I think.

The big drag about cellphones is having to recharge them all the time. Mine lasts only three days even if I never talk on it. I guess I could turn it off when I’m not using it.

If I have to dig something out of my pocket every time I want to see what time it is, I’d rather get an Elgin railroader’s pocket watch. Then I would finally have a place to hang my Phi Beta Kappa key.

Having a smartphone would cost me substantially more a year than my flip phone.I don’t know who offers a $53 per month smartphone package.

We keep the landline because we have DSL because Comcast is evil.

Comment #124: Hector B.  on  06/10  at  01:05 PM

“Also, phone books!  Remember those big-ass things?  I haven’t used a phone book in years and years.”

My mom got angry at me the other week because she came over and demanded to use a phone book and couldn’t believe that I just didn’t have one.  She was only able to identify her dentist through his yellow pages ad, as she couldn’t recall his name or address. 

She refused to recognize that it was far more ridiculous to not know anything about a service you needed to access than it was to live without a phone book.

Comment #125: Eileen  on  06/10  at  01:08 PM

There’s even a contest:

http://nerdapproved.com/news/build-a-working-tricorder-and-earn-10-million/

Comment #126: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/10  at  01:11 PM

I just recently bought a smart phone after doing a bunch of research (and changing my mind after initially deciding it wasn’t worth the cost), and I’ll second bananacat’s comment that it can actually save you money.  Here in Chicago, I had several discount pre-paid plans (often with unlimited data or relatively high limits) that I could have gotten for as little as $45, maybe even less if you kept the plan a long time.  At the same time, I was seeing plans for just talking/texting that were that much or more.  There is no way that, with smart phones as an alternative, just talking and texting is worth that much money—especially not on a crappy national carrier like AT&T, which I was trying to get away from.  Even paying a bit more, as I ended up doing, for the extra functions was actually a better deal.

Luckily, no one I’m close to needs it right now, but there’s also something to be said for being able to get Internet access without a contract and without a computer.  Even a cheap computer is more than a subsidized smart phone (with a contract) or a less-current one (from a discount carrier)—after rebate, my carrier actually gave me $30 to take my phone.

I have no idea if low-income people avail themselves of phone Internet for job searches, but everyone knows they do with prepaid phone service, which is not a luxury.  Sure, my phone is a fun and shiny toy for me that fits well into my fun and shiny life.  But when something is as fun and useful as even regular cell phones (and ever-cheaper computers and the Internet), I tend to think that there should be more of those things, not less, so that the people they’ll really help will benefit, too.  Unless there’s some compelling environmental reason (as with cars) that maybe even privileged people shouldn’t have had them in the first place.  I’m not familiar with whether there is such a reason for cell phones, but I’m sure someone here can enlighten me.

Comment #127: themmases  on  06/10  at  01:20 PM

Aside from all the other mentions people have given:

Since I business travel fairly regularly, I’ve got apps that give me updates on flights and text or email me alerts on flight status (or email others).

Here’s one people probably haven’t thought of: we brought an accident victim into emergency one time and he had to be medevaced to a larger center. The nurses and doctor were hauling up drug information from their various smartphones so they knew the proper dosage, and since it was a traumatic injury to the face (bear attack) they took some images with a phone and sent them to the surgeons down south so they’d have an idea of what they would be dealing with.

And, of course, the other various medical applications: one company has produced an ultrasound that consists of the sensor and an iPhone app that provides the software and viewing capability, meant for nurses to do checkups during home visits, but as you can imagine emergency medical imagining for someone on-scene isn’t far behind. If you think about Dr. McCoy waving that little thing over a patient while looking at a tricorder, you’ve got the basic idea.

Comment #128: KeithM  on  06/10  at  01:33 PM

“Weiner non-scandal” come on that is dripping with partisan blind-ness. No analysis of the women he went after who said they mostly just wanted to talk politics though he kept turning into some pervy sext talk? No mention of sexual harrassment? Some of us care more about feminist principles than partisan politics Amanda. Whose Amanda sucking up to and why?

Comment #129: Bean Slap  on  06/10  at  01:39 PM

A quick story I thought I’d share:  I have a bad habit of losing my phone.  I’ve replaced it three times in the past two years.  It’s a problem.  Back in March, I was going to a basketball game with a friend, and we were going to meet up outside the stadium so I could get the ticket from him.  Well, the day before I lose my phone, and I forgot to email him before I left the office.  So, I’m stuck outside the stadium walking around looking for him, trying to avoid that urge to shout.  Good news is I have my iPad.  So, I email him a couple times from the iPad—he has an iPhone, and I figure he’ll get them and come find me.  No dice.  So, I get on facebook, and post on his wall.  His girlfriend sees it, sends him a text, and he finds me in five minutes.  Ten years ago, I would have had to go home and watch the game on TV.

Comment #130: Reece  on  06/10  at  01:45 PM

@118 Livi

The industry term for a non-smart phone is “feature phone” which is even sillier than “dumb phone”.  I vote for adopting “basic phone” as the name for a non-smart cell phone.

Comment #131: Nutella  on  06/10  at  01:47 PM

Comment #131: Nutella, that works for me!

Comment #132: Livi  on  06/10  at  01:52 PM

#8 Theresa
Same with me. I dont even use Facebook unless its for school/work activities. I HATE it! I have not used Twitter because the very concept pisses me off. Its too stupid and wasteful of time in our lives. Any cell phones I own I dont use it much except for GPS and needfull calls. I prefer to talk in person. I use land-lines and I now know where everything is in my city so the GPS isnt that important now. I hate reading about how “revolutionary” the cell phone/Facebook/Twitter/the internet is. While I do think some def uses for the internet is good to me it seems more like a calculator, ie, a swifter more convenient tool not some grand human revolution. Being connected to a device for 24 hours seems pathetic and Facebook seems to me like social masturbation. I also think alot of what qualifies as journalisms has gone down the poop-hole and I think due to the fact that you can now surround yourself with your parties blogs, websites, tv stations, ect people especially on the Right have become more partisan and arent exposed more to diverse thought. Now anything stupid is just accepted and bigots now can hide their denial and cover their bigotry even more conveniently. I hate how everyone just hopped aboard mind-lessly on the internet/Facebook/whatever train thinking it was revolutionary. The only thing I think, except for perhaps cures for illness that qualifies as revolutionary is social evolution and I dont think the internets helped much in that direction.

Comment #133: Bean Slap  on  06/10  at  01:56 PM

#128 keith,
Does the hospital provide the doctors and nurses with Smartphones or do they buy them themselves?

Comment #134: Bean Slap  on  06/10  at  01:57 PM

Also, seconding KeithM on the uses in medicine.  Radiologists are already publishing on what types of exams can be read with diagnostic confidence on the iPhone and iPad.  My hospital already has a PACSWeb system where doctors in other specialties can view the exams they’ve ordered from their office, and go over them with patients there.  I’d imagine many of them want to do the same on a mobile device, especially at practices that have already implemented electronic health records.  I’ve heard from people who want a tablet to replace the chart kept in a patient’s room, for example.

I’ve also been to conferences where one of the surgeons passes around her iPhone so everyone can see what the real tumor looked like, after we’re done discussing the MRI.

Comment #135: themmases  on  06/10  at  01:59 PM

Bean Slap @128: At least at my hospital, yes—doctors and managers on call get a Blackberry.  At least right now, it supplements/replaces the pager they all have, depending where they are.

Comment #136: themmases  on  06/10  at  02:02 PM

Comment #133: Bean S, “Being connected to a device for 24 hours seems pathetic..”

I was at a comedy show recently and before the performer came on my husband and I noticed we were surrounded by people absolutely glued to their phone screens. There they were, actually out with a friend or S.O. and instead of talking they were farting around on their phones. I could see screens with FB or games going, so it wasn’t about relaying info that was needed at that moment. They were actively ignoring the person next to them.

So, I guess add that to the reasons I haven’t been keen on buying a smart phone. I don’t see the point in carrying a device with features I have no intention of using.

Comment #137: Livi  on  06/10  at  02:03 PM

The big drag about cellphones is having to recharge them all the time. Mine lasts only three days even if I never talk on it.

Is this some kind of joke?

Bean Slap:
I hate how everyone just hopped aboard mind-lessly[sic] on the internet/Facebook/whatever train thinking it was revolutionary

Actually, they didn’t. They took it up slowly. I hate a Facebook account for years and years without really “using” it—it was a background toy I checked occasionally rather than a social hub. The Internet was something I used for email and checking newsgroups and downloading software via FTP rather than an ubiquitous communications system. But they became revolutionary over time.

Comment #138: Tyro  on  06/10  at  02:04 PM

The big drag about cellphones is having to recharge them all the time. Mine lasts only three days even if I never talk on it.

Is this some kind of joke?

Bean Slap:
I hate how everyone just hopped aboard mind-lessly[sic] on the internet/Facebook/whatever train thinking it was revolutionary

Actually, they didn’t. They took it up slowly. I had a Facebook account for years and years without really “using” it—it was a background toy I checked occasionally rather than a social hub. The Internet was something I used for email and checking newsgroups and downloading software via FTP rather than an ubiquitous communications system. But they became revolutionary over time.

Comment #139: Tyro  on  06/10  at  02:07 PM

WOW. How insulting. Maybe you’re a vacuous slut.

I always knew I didn’t like you. Thanks for reminding me why.

Comment #140: junk science  on  06/10  at  02:11 PM

Hubby and I have smart phones with the $25/month verizon plan.  So much cheaper, and if we run out of minutes, which we never do, we can always Skype instead.

I told my inlaws about how I had Pandora playing songs and Google Maps taking me somewhere.  Maps pauses the song and tells me when to turn, then puts the music back on.  That alone was cool enough for them to get their own.

Google Sky is awesome at telling me which stars/planets are poking through the light pollution in the city.

We are living in the future in a lot of ways.  No flying cars yet, and I’m waiting for the Cloud to sort itself out, but if we don’t tumble back into the Dark Ages, the future’s cool.

Comment #141: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/10  at  02:12 PM

ok - I am between contracts.  Who do you all think has the best deal for a smartphone?  I like all the bells and whistles because I rely exclusively on public transit and I like something to play with while I am waiting and I don’t usually carry a book with me unless it is a paperback that I can shove in my purse (I haven’t gotten a reader yet, and I am a librarian, how embarrassing!)

Comment #142: kitten parade  on  06/10  at  02:12 PM

Comment #141, is that $25 per person? How the hell are people finding these phone plans? Whenever I’ve searched (and I just did a quick google now) to find plans they start adding up to $80 or more.

Comment #143: Livi  on  06/10  at  02:16 PM

20 years ago public pay phones (though no longer booths) were everywhere. (My grandfather even started a pay phone business in the early 90s.) But by the time I got my first cell phone in 2001, the increasing popularity of cell phones had made public pay phones very rare.

I don’t know where you live, but I know that in my hometown, Chicago, pay telephones started disappearing in the early 90s. This was the result of an official policy put in place by the city, supposedly because drug dealers were using public telephones as “offices”. One can still find a pay telephone without too much trouble in New York City (where I live now), but in Chicago, it’s damned near impossible. In fact, one of the things that finally made me break down and buy a cell phone (I held out until 2008!) was going back to Chicago and not being able to reach any of my friends while I was out and about. At one point I had to borrow a stranger’s cell phone so I could call up a friend I was supposed to meet in Wicker Park (this after some twenty minutes of searching without success for a pay phone).

Comment #144: Ridnik Chrome  on  06/10  at  02:27 PM

There’s another way that my smart phone will save me money long term: the camera.  Right now the resolution is 3.2 megapixels, which isn’t even lose to my 12 megapixel digital camera, but is far better than the digital camera that I had just 7 or 8 years ago.  And the resolution of camera phones will surely increase over time.  By the time my current digital camera needs to be replaced, I’ll probably just get a free phone with a plan and it will be as good as or better than my current camera.  So even though they may seem expensive, they really are cheaper than buying a dozen different devices for a dozen different purposes.

Comment #145: bananacat  on  06/10  at  02:30 PM

Bean Slap, people don’t adopt new tools and platforms because they “seem revolutionary.” They adopt them because they make parts of their lives better, more fun, richer, etc. People use Facebook because they get something out of the social networking tools.

And don’t get me started on the comments about Twitter. Everywhere I turn, it seems someone is making some unsubstantiated whine about how they don’t like Twitter, so obviously it’s making people dumber. If you don’t like it, don’t use it and leave the rest of us alone.

The broader point is that these things ARE revolutionary, because they have transformed the way people live their lives and literally changed the public landscape. Really, the big conceptual change with cell phones is that we no longer call places - we call PEOPLE. That’s a huge deal, and being a stick-in-the-mud isn’t going to change a damn thing about that.

But, by all means, continue to view people in the most condescending way possible.

Comment #146: grolby  on  06/10  at  02:36 PM

@#146: I’m such a luddite that I still use a film camera…

Comment #147: Ridnik Chrome  on  06/10  at  02:37 PM

One thing I dislike about smartphones is how spoiled and demanding they can make you. I already complain that my iPhone 3GS feels like a rusty, battered pickup compared to the newer phones out there, when a couple of years ago I thought it was the most awesome thing ever. It doesn’t help that my girlfriend constantly brags about how much better her iPhone 4 is than my battered old piece of crap.

Comment #148: junk science  on  06/10  at  02:38 PM

*People don’t hand draw maps anymore.

They also don’t assume they need to give you directions, which is entirely beneficial.

Comment #149: junk science  on  06/10  at  02:51 PM

Livi & kitten parade, at least in Chicago I looked at:
Virgin Mobile, unlimited web/text for $25-60/month depending on how many minutes you want;
Boost Mobile, starting at $50/month and getting as cheap as $35/month if you remain a customer in good standing for unlimited talk, text, and web;
cricket, with $45/month for unlimited talk, text, and mobile web on a regular phone, or $55/month for Android or Blackberry plans.

I hope those links all work—I had to input my ZIP for some of them.  But as far as I remember from my own shopping, those were all prepaid/no contract.  I ended up getting U.S. Cellular, which is more than these but awesome if it’s available in your area.

Comment #150: themmases  on  06/10  at  02:59 PM

For me, the big thing is that conversations no longer involve 6 people trying to remember a fact (and then arguing over who’s memory is correct) - we just look up the fact and then move on.  My MiL once got 60 sorts of apoplectic that instead of endlessly arguing over the name of the Pope before JP2, I simply googled the list of Popes - the idea that I would solve the problem (btw I was right and she was wrong) and then get on with the conversation instead of being bogged down over a name was si anathema to her that I thought she would declare jihad on all technology over the smart use of a smartphone.

A step removed from smartphones, but I am going to our friends’ tonight for supper and will use my Android tablet to have online office hours for my students while there - and said friends are completely cool with this because 3/4 of my attention is considered better than 0/4 of my attention because I was stuck at home waiting for students to maybe pester me online

And I am so elitist for teaching at a small university in rural Appalachia, because we all know that the only people with smartphones, internet access, and wifi live in coastal cities o.O

Comment #151: phalamir  on  06/10  at  03:07 PM

My husband and I just sit around on our couch and play Words with Friends despite owning two Scrabble boards. Husband refused to play Scrabble before—partly, I think because I kick his ass most of the time, even though he’s improving madly under my tutelage, but also because well, sitting around waiting for your turn sucks sometimes. Words with Friends—? We just play with other games on our smart phones while waiting our turn.

We’ve also been trying to get my parents to get a cell phone, since whenever we have to pick them up at an airport, or vice versa, a half hour usually goes down the drain since they can’t find us, or us them. They’ve been resisting….I think because Dad’s hobby is suing telemarketers and the cell phone makes that harder. (I personally think he should get behind legislation that makes telemarketing violation more punitive, but I think he enjoys the righteous indignation he can muster up for being disturbed by Dish Network 170 times.)

Comment #152: PixelFish  on  06/10  at  03:20 PM

The big drag about cellphones is having to recharge them all the time. Mine lasts only three days even if I never talk on it.

Is this some kind of joke?

No, I think having to do any task 122 times a year is a fucking imposition on my time. Try a parallel situation:  if you had sex every three days would you think you were celibate? Or would you think you were having sex all the time?

From my perspective, if I’m not talking on it, I’m not using it, and there’s no reason the battery should run down that often.

Comment #153: Hector B.  on  06/10  at  03:34 PM

Comment #153: Hector B., my thought is the only reason the battery is running down that often is because it old or a lemon. When my husband’s phone started doing that it was an old battery. New battery (in a new phone because that was cheaper) and it goes 2-3 weeks depending on usage. I leave mine on all the time, but only talk a minute or two a day (or less) and it goes about 2 weeks before needing a charge.

Comment #154: Livi  on  06/10  at  03:39 PM

Hector, do you have a weather app on the phone.  My wife’s BB was practically draining while plugged in, and we finally realized the weather.com app was chuggin 24/7 like a mad beast.  Deleted that badboy and suddenly she never has battery problems?

Comment #155: phalamir  on  06/10  at  03:42 PM

If I went to work once every three days, I certainly wouldn’t think that I was working all the time. Rechargeable devices generally belong in their chargers when not being used. I never thought they belonged anywhere else, be it a Dustbuster to cordless drill. The only time I worry about my phone’s charge is when I am walking around all day in a city while constantly using it. Otherwise: I slip it in it’s charger before I go to bed (where else would I put it?), stick it in the charger on my commute to work, and have a charger on my desk in my office. If I only had to charge my phone every three days, I’d consider that “hardly ever.”

Comment #156: Tyro  on  06/10  at  03:49 PM

“Even the cheapest pay-as-you-go you can get from Virgin, $14.99, has the ability to surf the web, email and instant message.”

I own that phone. I can assure you very unequivocally that there is a difference between “the phone has the ability” and “the phone packaging claims the phone has that ability”. Tiny display + slow data service + slow-ass phone hardware + $.18/minute = don’t even bother.

Comment #157: Aaron  on  06/10  at  03:50 PM

Comment #157: Right. My pay-as-you-go technically has the ability to surf the web, but it sucks up too much credit to make it worth while. Nah, personally, I don’t mind waiting until I get home to use the computer or just googling things at work.

Comment #158: Livi  on  06/10  at  03:55 PM

That’s why I use my iPad for internet.  I just checked my tracfone (pre-pay all the way!), and no, it does not want to surf the internet. 

I think I’m slowly headed toward a smartphone of some kind.  The amazing things people are doing with them on this thread alone is very tempting.

Comment #159: Eileen  on  06/10  at  04:05 PM

Same here, Livi. I might use it more often for browsing if it were remotely possible to do so, but I don’t really think I’m losing all that much by the absence of that capability; I don’t really feel the lack of a useful web browser in my phone.

As others have pointed out, I might say something different after I’d had one for a while, but the same is true of a heroin habit so I don’t find that much of an argument.

Comment #160: Aaron  on  06/10  at  04:08 PM

Did anyone up there mention how at concerts people wave cell phones around where we used to wave lighters around back in the 80s and 90s? I love that.

Comment #161: megbon  on  06/10  at  04:28 PM

Hypatia, here they charge extra for Internet access except for using it to check ones’ account as with my account, I don’t think the kind of plan you mentioned are available in the States with any cell phone carrier.

The only thing I listed that didn’t have included data was the pay-as-you-go phone from the Virgin Mobile USA. So yes, you have to pay to access the interest, you also have to pay to make a call, text, and so on and so forth.

Tiny display + slow data service + slow-ass phone hardware + $.18/minute = don’t even bother.

It’s definitely no iPhone replacement, trust me, I get that. Having had to surf on one of these suckers though, I know it’s doable if there is a need.

Personally I hardly ever browse on my LG Eve either. The browser is utter crap, so it’s mostly an e-mail retrieval device. Unless I need to know right then and there, I’ll wait until I have a real screen to look at.

Having a smartphone would cost me substantially more a year than my flip phone.I don’t know who offers a $53 per month smartphone package.

Yeah, no one has an advertised $53 plan because that number included the tax. Themmas posted a few links showing cheaper data plans above, including the Virgin Mobile plans I talked about.

Comment #162: hypatia  on  06/10  at  04:44 PM

Facebook offers the same features of Geocities or IRC.  Twitter is just IM plus web publishing - which facebook or geocities would do.  They aren’t revolutionary or awesome, but just the next iteration.

Email was revolutionary.  IRC was revolutionary.  IM was revolutionary.  The Web was revolutionary.  Facebook and Twitter are just competing brands.

Comment #163: Crissa  on  06/10  at  04:53 PM

I email him a couple times from the iPad—he has an iPhone, and I figure he’ll get them and come find me.  No dice.  So, I get on facebook, and post on his wall.  His girlfriend sees it, sends him a text, and he finds me in five minutes.  Ten years ago, I would have had to go home and watch the game on TV.
Comment #130: Reece on 06/10 at 01:45 PM

Similar incident with a friend.  She was riding her horse in an event.  She came upon another rider whose horse was hurt.  She tried calling out but there was no voice coverage.  However, there was enough data coverage for her to post to FB.  I saw her post, looked up the group sponsoring the event, called and emailed a couple of people, someone got the message and sent help.

Comment #164: oldfeminist  on  06/10  at  05:02 PM

The Google Maps app is pretty amazing. Once I needed to ride my bike from my office to the downtown area of my city and the route they gave me was amazing! I rode along canals and on bike paths I never knew existed through very interesting and weird parts of the city. I even rode through a neighborhood where all the roads were dirt and there were chickens running free everywhere. It was the most exciting shortcut ever. I also love Google Sky Maps. I can actually recognize and point out most of the constellations because I’ve used it so much.

I also think that texting is a great, low-commitment way to keep in touch with people. Every New Year’s at about five minutes past midnight I get a rush of text messages from people wishing me a happy new year. Texting just makes it so easy to send someone a quick message when I’m thinking of them, even if I haven’t seen them in person for years. I’m sure there are people out there who are sad that they get fewer birthday cards, but I think that a text or a Facebook message is a reasonable substitute. I don’t buy that communication is more meaningful if it’s more difficult to do, so I don’t think a birthday card or a handwritten letter is more meaningful than a thoughtful text or email.

Comment #165: Jenny Dreadful  on  06/10  at  05:09 PM

If only mobile phones (sorry everyone who prefers “cell phones” but I think the UK phrase works better, and I’m used to it) were within reach when I was a teenager ... any number of embarrassing phone calls could have been avoided. Or made.

Back in those days, the family phone was shared - trying to get romantic when you never knew who could be listening in at the other end, and your mum could be coming through the hall at any moment, was kind of tricky. And in the UK at least, someone was bound to yell out “You’re costing me a fortune” at some point.

And your girlfriend’s older brother would be on the phone so much it was almost impossible to get through.

Smartphones. Sometimes it seems like everyone has one, but that’s only because they’re so noticeable. In the particularly geeky office I work in, 40% don’t have a smartphone. But they catching on very rapidly - the University I work for had a fourfold increase in the number of wireless devices in use at peak periods over the previous year. Mostly smartphones and tablets.

Personally I find the most useful facility a smartphone offers is something I rarely use - an application that shows me (via a map) where the nearest supermarket, pub, etc. is in a strange city. Normally I enjoy spending a couple of hours walking around a strange city in the dark, but that night in Birmingham 10 years ago, I was really hungry.

Plenty of other useful stuff - dictionary, wiki lookup, password store, maps (although I wish someone would put in footpaths), check train times, read a few pages of a book whilst waiting for something, etc. Browsing? Not at all - my iThingie has the browser hidden away in a ‘rarely used’ folder.

Comment #166: veryz  on  06/10  at  05:44 PM

I’m such a luddite that I still use a film camera…

There’s a story from a few years back about how Polaroid was closing a film production facility and had a meeting with the workers to break the bad news. One of the workers asked why the plant was closing.

Manager: “How many people here have a digital camera?”

(Almost everyone’s hand goes up.)

Manager: “Are there any other questions?”

Comment #167: KeithM  on  06/10  at  05:59 PM

Incidentally, if they need a plot crutch “my phone’s battery ran out” seems good enough to me.

Comment #168: contextfree  on  06/10  at  07:25 PM

My MiL once got 60 sorts of apoplectic that instead of endlessly arguing over the name of the Pope before JP2

Who is Pope John Paul I, who held the papacy for a whopping 33 days before he mysteriously died in his sleep (no autopsy was ever done and conspiracy theories abound), making 1978 one of the very few “Year of Three Popes” in the history of the RCC? Born Albino Luciani, he was the last Italian pope in an unbroken 455 year timespan in which only Italians held the papacy.

My youthful indoctrination in Catholic schools has left me with a plethora of useless trivia factoids about the world’s most corrupt religious organization.

Comment #169: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  07:31 PM

DTGslu2K:

I’m pretty sure the Mormon church is more corrupt than the RCC, though that may not be saying much as the RCC is quite a bit larger.

Comment #170: BrianX  on  06/10  at  07:50 PM

It used to be that at night, particularly late at night, you’d occasionally see people driving like that and you’d say, “Uh oh, better not get in front of that guy, he’s drunk!”  But now thanks to annoy-o-phones, you get to see people driving like that all God damn day long!

Comment #171: W. Kiernan  on  06/10  at  08:04 PM

Texting is what makes cell phones so especially useful for us.  During any kind of emergency, when the phone lines are overloaded and/or the electricity is off in many areas, one can still communicate by cell phone because texting takes up so little bandwidth.

A few years back, when I was visiting a friend in a city about 100 miles from home, power was off in many areas, including my friend’s house, and my house at home.  My friend and I sat in front of a large window overlooking a valleywrapped in blankets and watched transformers explode most of the night, and I was able to text to my husband at home.  We both had cell phones and so did all our kids, which greatly reduced the worrying.

Comment #172: Older  on  06/10  at  08:10 PM

@ #170: Now that I think about it, you’re probably right, but the corrupt RCC leadership can still claim to have been doing it much bigger and much, much longer than the LDS noobs. The Mormons don’t have two millennia of bloodshed and a U.N. recognized sovereign state with one of the world’s most valuable art collections in their portfolio.

Comment #173: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  08:17 PM

grolby,

“better, funner, RICHER?” You’ve got to be kidding me grolby! Those are words to describe a tantra sex class not a dinky little device that merely jumbles together alot of gadgets in one tiny package. Its just like a calculator watch or something similar. Excepting some of the actual beneficial uses such as medical, emergency or work it usually just makes a person look like an asshole when they have to take pictures of every little thing, talk very loud in public, and carry it around all the time like it was a baby. The IPad even just sounds stupid and it looks dumb too. I mean, its too BIG! Using the internet on one of these cell phones is very hard if you have adult sized fingers and the text and web sites are small. I cant believe the anthropomorphism you apply to the cell phone, how emotionally tied you are and how defensive you get over a piece of metal and plastic! Even when people text with their thumbs it looks like some form of weird masturbation, I call it ‘techno wacking-off’ thats just cheap and stupid looking. All they are is simply making little things more convenient-thats all, its not revolutionary. Revolutionary is the later 60’s and 70’s with human rights and youth not quicker downloading time and movies that can beam to your tv. Its also allowed perverts to photo you and you dont even know it. I have no clue what you mean by “you no longer call places, you call people?” It sounds like some sort of corny AT&T advertisement. Also who designated you the Arbiter Of Everything? Perhaps its you whose a stick-in-the-mud. Youre a walking wet dream for cell phone suppliers on account of your sad intimacy with your computer and cell phone and I bet you even think Michelob Lite MAKES the memories of the good times you had with your friends rather than….you know, friends. You quit frankly are the “stick-in-the mud” and its also sad how you have now tried to define and view yourself as some sort of twitter clique or define Twitter users as some sort of tribe by your “leave US alone” statement. It seems a mere honest criticism of technology has your knickers in a twist for you to misperceive a healthy criticism as some sort of attack. Thats very tea-baggerish of you. I think you’d be better at home on Breitbarts site than here. They love those with severe cases of apophenia!

Comment #174: Bean Slap  on  06/10  at  09:17 PM

Yes Bean Slap, the reason that people feel like their lives are improved by dinky devices is that they are inferior to you. Got it. Stay classy.

Comment #175: grolby  on  06/10  at  09:30 PM

WTF, Bean Slap?

Did some take a shit in your cereal this morning or what?

Grouchy, grouchy.

Be nice.

Comment #176: DTGslu2K  on  06/10  at  09:57 PM

Excepting some of the actual beneficial uses such as medical, emergency or work it usually just makes a person look like an asshole when they have to take pictures of every little thing, talk very loud in public, and carry it around all the time like it was a baby.

I find it highly amusing to see an anti-tech rant on the Internet. Just saying.

 

Comment #177: KeithM  on  06/10  at  11:29 PM

Excepting some of the actual beneficial uses such as medical, emergency or work

Apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?!

Comment #178: kristin  on  06/11  at  01:01 AM

I had an iPhone 3 for a while, and as far as time telling goes, it was constantly 3 to 5 minutes slow!  I showed it to a co-worker who uses his iPhone as a timepiece and it freaked him the fuck out.

I now have an iPhone 4, and the best two features are 1) the higher res camera and 2) the vastly increased battery life.

Completely agree about texting, and it’s quiet, too, which is why I’m baffled by people losing their shit when people do it (I’m looking at you, Alamo Drafthouse.  You want the right to kick out people essentially turning their phone into a flashlight, that’s one thing, but making a show that you’ll jump down the throat of anyone who deigns to use an extremely helpful tool to keep a loved one or friend informed with a quick message?  Get the fuck over yourself.)

Lastly, I think my generation (b 1971) has many personal experiences on what a change smartphones and the Internet have made to our lives, as neither was very widespread in our twenties, and then in the last ten years we’ve been given the opportunity to get back in touch with people from high school and college in a way that’s informative without being cloying, and the relationships are recent enough that it doesn’t seem unnatural or blindly nostalgic.

Comment #179: NY Expat  on  06/11  at  03:20 AM

I didn’t know liking my cell phone made me a teabagger. Talk about apophenia.

Comment #180: junk science  on  06/11  at  06:32 AM

but making a show that you’ll jump down the throat of anyone who deigns to use an extremely helpful tool to keep a loved one or friend informed with a quick message?  Get the fuck over yourself

Yes, how dare someone ignore their warnings and text during a movie with an obviously important message that has to be written and sent during the movie?

Comment #181: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/11  at  08:31 AM

Yes, how dare someone ignore their warnings and text during a movie with an obviously important message that has to be written and sent during the movie?

So you follow all rules given to you, no matter how ridiculous they are?  Something tells me that’s not true.

Sorry, if my wife tries to reach me when I’m at a movie, my response is not going to be “tough shit, I’m at the movies”.  I’m sending a quick message.  You want me to dim the screen or shield it?  Fine, then say so.  But to make me feel like the Texting Nazis are going to come at any minute and throw me out?  Fuck…You.

Anyway, considering the films that show at The Drafthouse that I’m aware of (Grindhouse, 300, Blades Of Glory), I thought the place was more like Brew and View, where you go to have stupid fun.  So it’s even less reasonable, and they *really* should GTFO themselves.

Comment #182: NY Expat  on  06/11  at  11:10 AM

Sorry, if my wife tries to reach me when I’m at a movie, my response is not going to be “tough shit, I’m at the movies”.  I’m sending a quick message.  You want me to dim the screen or shield it?  Fine, then say so.

Not too long ago, movie theaters routinely threw out people whose actions could potentially disturb other audience members.  Saw some of this firsthand in the late ‘80s in some NYC theaters.  I don’t see how the actions by the Alamo Drafthouse are any different. 

Even if the screen is dimmed/shielded, the darkness of movie theaters are such that the glare will still be quite distracting to others…especially those in close proximity of the texter.  What’s so bad about planning around this by telling others that you may not be reachable at certain parts of the day and that you’ll call/text them back when it becomes available or to notify them that you’ll be at such an activity BEFORE it starts?

More importantly, one should have enough awareness of common courtesy to not have to be told to not behave in ways that may potentially disturb others at venues where cell/texting is IMHO inappropriate such as movie theaters or moreso…...libraries and classrooms. 

Out of curiosity, would you be defending students/idiot parents who threw entitled temper tantrums after my Prof/TA friends gave them a 0 for “negative class participation for the day” and confiscated their cell for the duration of the lecture after they left their loud ringers on, took calls in lecture, or were caught texting during class?

Comment #183: exholt  on  06/11  at  11:46 AM

#183 Agree exholt. One of the things I noticed when I went to Britain was how, even in the financial district of London you didnt see people on their cell phones 24/7. You didnt see people at the restaurants eating and talking on the cell phone. Apparently its considered rude to talk on a cell phone inside a taxi. Going back to America was like going back to static fuzz. In America they pry one cheek aside and then pry the other aside and jam themselves straight into you whether youre waiting to use the restroom, walking, ect. They were more mannered and I dont know why we cant eb like that. Usually its not like people use their cell phones for only necessary purposes, its usually frivolous.

Comment #184: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:18 PM

#180 Again, if not unlike a teabagger you had actually READ my post rather than come to exaggerated conclusions from it you wouldve seen that liking your cell phone was not the issue warranting the apophenia response. The apophenia response was because you see connections between random things and take it as “signs” such as your claim that twitters are a “tribe” and how ‘rich, better and fun’ your cell phone has made life. Those words should only be used for a sunset at Kenya not a new tech toy thats merely a collage of gadgets rolled into one. You also claimed it has made a revolutionary impact in your life which is an absurd claim.

Comment #185: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:24 PM

#179 NY expat,

I’m an older gen Y and when I was in middle school the cell nor the internet as used like it is today was much popular. So it isnt just gen x that can evaluate any impact. I remember in middle and high school the teacher would make some interesting comment about how in the future theyre going to be doing “x” or “x” on the computer and that blogs mean “everyone can have a voice,” and how in the future you can even take photos with your cell, ect, ect and I found it incredibly boring. Email even bored me. I used the computer then only to create documents and shop, the latter I did rarely. It seems so impotent and it appears that it only really helps the marketers of these products rather than peoples personal lives. To me its just a tool. Its like everyones going gaga over a new screwdriver. When people describe it as “revolutionary” I want to puke. But it does seem the exhaltations seem to me mostly driven by gen x and I think its so ‘everyday’ around my generations that they use it without criticising it. To some criticising this mere technology is blasphemy and for those people; get over yourselves.

Comment #186: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:33 PM

Sorry, if my wife tries to reach me when I’m at a movie, my response is not going to be “tough shit, I’m at the movies”.  I’m sending a quick message.  You want me to dim the screen or shield it?  Fine, then say so.  But to make me feel like the Texting Nazis are going to come at any minute and throw me out?  Fuck…You.

Unless you have mobility issues(wheelchair, crutches, etc), you could go out in the lobby, read and respond to the message, and then go back in without disturbing anyone.

And double dumbass on you, buddy.

Comment #187: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/11  at  01:33 PM

Agree #187. Whats keeping you from leaving quickly to get out of your seat? If youre that kind of personthat needs to answer every text try to get an aisle seat to make it easy for yourself.

Comment #188: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:34 PM

#178 kristin,
What do the Romans have to do with anything? I’m not opposed to Romans?

Comment #189: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:36 PM

Bean Slap, 174:

Its just like a calculator watch or something similar. Excepting some of the actual beneficial uses such as medical, emergency or work it usually just makes a person look like an asshole when they have to take pictures of every little thing, talk very loud in public, and carry it around all the time like it was a baby.

How are you posting from 1994?

Comment #190: Hershele Ostropoler  on  06/11  at  01:40 PM

#176 DTG,

It takes one to know so I can only assume you have very foul breath which is why you must have shit for brains which explains why your cant write a response for crap. No one but someone who eats their own shit for breakfast would get that excited over criticism of technology nor presume that anyone else eats their own shit if they actually dont eat their own shit for breakfast like you. If being a technology drone is your religion then I’m your atheist and am happy to shit all over your cereal since you love to eat it so much.

Comment #191: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:42 PM

#176 grolby again,
(Does you cell now have a penis/vagina yet so you can marry it?)

Again only a douch techno drone would take a healthy criticism and distort it like that. Pathetic is an understatement for you.

Comment #192: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:45 PM

#190 Hershele,

1994? I was like 8 then. Have no clue what you mean.

Comment #193: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  01:46 PM

I was watching one of those semi-reality shows (Top Chef? Design Star? something like that) and some team members were sent to buy dishes while the others worked on other tasks for a challenge—the people shopping used their phones to send photos of potential purchases & agree on their favorites with the whole team. I thought that was pretty cool; I’ve done similar things while shopping, or even if I just wanted to show someone something I bought (“how cute are these earrings, baby sister? So cute!”) or ask advice (“blue top with this skirt, or red top?”)

I currently have a dum—er, “basic” cellphone but I’m generally fine as long as someone in my group has a smartphone. I just got internet set up in my new apartment yesterday, so this last week I’ve been using my roommate’s iPhone to shop online, order lamps, look up ISPs, etc. (that fun game of needing-internet-to-acquire-internet, yanno? :p) And maps are a godsend, not to mention looking up exactly what “strafing” means (I win this round, buddy, the airplane definition is listed first!) to resolve debates.

And my family of total introverts keeps in contact much better with texting than we would without. My dad and I can send stuff like “Sup?” “Sup.” and just simple things like that, but it’s nice to touch base without having to schedule a whole phone call. And my hard-to-contact sister is most reliable if you text her; at least she’ll get back to you at some point, and she very much prefers responding on her own schedule.

Eventually I’ll get a smartphone once I stop being cheap and leaching off my parents’ family plan. Already there are many times I’d like to have it, so it’s not just a matter of finding ways to depend on your new gadget to justify the cost. It’s honestly getting harder and harder to function without one, and among my peers and coworkers having at least a cellphone (and probably a smartphone) is the norm.

Comment #194: Bagelsan  on  06/11  at  02:19 PM

1994? I was like 8 then. Have no clue what you mean.

Wow, and you’re already ninety years old? That’s some impressive aging.

Comment #195: junk science  on  06/11  at  02:45 PM

exholt @183:  It would depend on the nature of the disturbance.  What I’m referring to is silent, with a small amount of light emitted that can be shielded/dimmed, and takes about 30 seconds.  Was the disturbances you witnessed in the late 80’s in NYC comparable?

Out of curiosity, would you be defending students/idiot parents who threw entitled temper tantrums after my Prof/TA friends gave them a 0 for “negative class participation for the day” and confiscated their cell for the duration of the lecture after they left their loud ringers on, took calls in lecture, or were caught texting during class?

That’s a lovely strawman you’ve constructed, exholt.  How exactly does a passive event like watching a movie compare to being a student in a classroom?


DAGCM @187:

Unless you have mobility issues(wheelchair, crutches, etc), you could go out in the lobby, read and respond to the message, and then go back in without disturbing anyone.

Because my silent reply to a text is going to interfere with your watching Wll Ferrel’s rendition of “My Humps”?

And double dumbass on you, buddy.

Aw, thanks.  That means so much to me.  And by “so much”, I mean “not at all”.

Bean Slap @188:

Agree #187. Whats keeping you from leaving quickly to get out of your seat? If youre that kind of personthat needs to answer every text try to get an aisle seat to make it easy for yourself.

I thought I made it pretty clear that I wasn’t saying it’s cool to reply to every little text.  I also made it clear that if you respond to a text, you should to it quickly (i.e., not make it into a conversation: “essentially turning [your phone] into a flashlight”).  Still, we get assumptions that by allowing any texting during a movie, that means it will be all texting all the time: a non stop orgy of texting!  In the dark, no less!  I honestly think there’s something more behind the reactions to the idea of a short communicaton in a movie theater than “it’s too bright”.  It’s a minor, petty form of prudery.

And I’ll admit it’s hard for me to see the other side of this because, while I’ve had issues with talking or sound*, I’ve never had a problem with someone texting during a movie I was watching because I was watching the movie, not looking around at everyone else, making sure archaic subcultural norms were enforced.


*That reminds me:  Someone once got upset with me laughing during a comedy.  Can we at least agree that the discussion should be about what’s a reasonable expectation in a movie theater?

Comment #196: NY Expat  on  06/11  at  04:10 PM

Unree @81:  Glad I could help! tongue laugh

Comment #197: NY Expat  on  06/11  at  04:14 PM

I’m with NY Expat.  I have a hard time taking complaints about people’s behavior in movie theaters seriously.  If you want to watch a movie in a setting that you have perfect control over (darkness, silence, phone-free, etc), then don’t leave your house.

Very few films are worth 15+ dollars to see, so my partner and I only go to the theater if we want to support the director or increase ticket sales for that type of movie or something like that.  I’m usually on my phone (with my screen dim) because movies just aren’t interesting enough to hold my attention span for two hours.  I have yet to hear a convincing argument why it’s my problem or duty to stay bored and miserable in a movie theater. 

Sure, maybe it’s rude (I’m not convinced of that either), but see above:  if you want to control your environment, stay home.  We paid for the same shitty movie, so I can equally claim that your expectation that I alter my personality/attention span/interest is just as rude.  Who’s correct?

Comment #198: stubbles  on  06/11  at  05:27 PM

Not really a ‘life change’, but the movie Momento really wouldn’t work anymore.

Comment #199: Mike the Mad Biologist  on  06/11  at  06:08 PM

# 195 WTF? How am I 90 years old and some might call you ageist for what you seem to be implying. Actually the rising demographic that now constitutes a large share of Facebook users is middle-aged and seniors so no it seems youre the 90 year old.

Comment #200: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  08:13 PM

#198 Stubbles,
THEN DONT GO TO THE MOVIE if youre not interested! Gawd I cant believe how assholish that is! You do know others are there to actually WATCH the movie right? Some of those people may be poor as well so dont you think they deserve to see it in a quality atmosphere since forking over $15 is alot for them? I also dont get it; why would you want to up ticket sales for movies you dont even watch presuming they arent even good or youre not even into movies? Why not just buy the ticket and leave?

Comment #201: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  08:16 PM

NYExpat,
Yeah but why not just do the polite thing, get up and quickly go and type it?

Comment #202: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  08:20 PM

Stubbles,
Also just because you paid $15 for a movie ticket does not mean you get to shit on other peoples show. Just like if I pay for a meal at a restaurant does not entitle me to dig my hands into the mashed potatoes at the buffet or yell, toss things and generally gross people out at a restaurant. The goal is to watch a movie and if others do things that interfere with watching a movie thats not a right to be at a movie. Its even bad for business because the owners know that people will stop going if they cant actually ‘watch’ the movie after they paid to see it. Its a ticket not an entitlement and yes if you cause problems for others they can throw you out pending the fact that someone doesnt know theyre in a freakin movie theatre. Just like paying $15 for a ticket doesnt entitle you to talk the entire movie on a cell phone or unzip your pants, take it off and stick your hand down your underwear. Gawd, do you know how trashy/cheap you sound? What I remember while in Britain is the same Americans who would act that way in London at a movie theatre would be booed out by everyone and you’d have to be forced to succumb to peer pressure. You’d probably actually even anticipate it and order your life around it. Societal enforcement is good in regards to decency.

Comment #203: Bean Slap  on  06/11  at  08:27 PM

exholt @183:  It would depend on the nature of the disturbance.  What I’m referring to is silent, with a small amount of light emitted that can be shielded/dimmed, and takes about 30 seconds.  Was the disturbances you witnessed in the late 80’s in NYC comparable?

If the activity was perceived to disturb audience members….including those sitting immediately around the person causing the disturbance, that was often enough to get the person booted.  Judging by the rules of the theaters in practice, your texting even dimmed would have been considered enough for a strong warning the first time at the minimum and other times to be immediately escorted out. 

Also, depending on the size of the theater and the position you are sitting, even a few who do likewise over the course of a movie could be considered disturbing to more than those sitting immediately around you.  Even if the screen is shielded/dimmed.  Moreover, many more people do more than just send a text or few during the movie and don’t bother to dim/shield their mobiles while texting IME….which has often prompted angry reactions from other audience members and sometimes theater management escorting them out for causing a disturbance/violating theater policies against cell phone usage. 

Because my silent reply to a text is going to interfere with your watching Wll Ferrel’s rendition of “My Humps”?

It is not up to you to determine that for others. 

If you want to watch a movie in a setting that you have perfect control over (darkness, silence, phone-free, etc), then don’t leave your house.

IMHO, the same argument could be made about you and your insistence on using the mobile in a setting which may not only cause great disturbance to other audience members, but also violate local theater policies meant to minimize/avoid such disturbances. 

If you really need to be on the cell that often, why bother going to the theater at all? You can feel free to use the cell while watching a movie at home without having to worry about the possibility of angering other audience members or riling up theater management enough to escort you out for violating their local rules about disturbing others/cell usage. 

Sure, maybe it’s rude (I’m not convinced of that either), but see above:  if you want to control your environment, stay home.  We paid for the same shitty movie, so I can equally claim that your expectation that I alter my personality/attention span/interest is just as rude.

What about the option of leaving the theater if the movie is boring before it is finished?

This very mentality in action is one reason why some theaters and concert halls in the NYC area have been discussing implementing policies to either block cell phone reception within their respective venues(FCC legality issues) or to have all audience members check their cell phones in at the door.

Comment #204: exholt  on  06/11  at  08:40 PM

If the activity was perceived to disturb audience members….including those sitting immediately around the person causing the disturbance, that was often enough to get the person booted.  Judging by the rules of the theaters in practice, your texting even dimmed would have been considered enough for a strong warning the first time at the minimum and other times to be immediately escorted out.

exholt, while it is perfectly reasonable to abide by the specific rules of a movie theater when it comes to texting, it is also perfectly reasonable to call out those rules as being objectively stupid and to call those who obsess about enforcing them a bunch of tight-asses.

There are certain situations where even calling out and punishing “rude” behavior is more rude than the offending behavior itself. Pitching a fit because someone was texting during a movie is one of those situations.

Comment #205: Tyro  on  06/11  at  10:08 PM

I remember in middle and high school the teacher would make some interesting comment about how in the future theyre going to be doing “x” or “x” on the computer and that blogs mean “everyone can have a voice,” and how in the future you can even take photos with your cell, ect, ect and I found it incredibly boring.

You strike me as a terribly uninteresting boor. If you were about 10-15 years older, you’d be this guy.

To me its just a tool. Its like everyones going gaga over a new screwdriver.

It’s more like a power drill or a nail gun. And if you did construction all day, you’d find power tools to be some of the most revolutionary inventions we’ve developed.

Comment #206: Tyro  on  06/11  at  10:16 PM

If you really need to be on the cell that often, why bother going to the theater at all?

As I said, I go to the theater to support certain directors and to boost ticket sales for specific movies.  Of course, not everyone in the theater is there for the same reason I am because (this part is key, pay attention) movie theaters are public places and people have a variety of reasons for being there.  That’s why I don’t, say, talk on my phone.  That’s disruptive. 

If you’re so easily distracted that a silent, subtle glow in the corner of your eye can ruin your playtime, that’s not my problem and I’m surprisingly offended that you think it is. 

Also, live performances are not the equivalent of movies.

Comment #207: stubbles  on  06/11  at  11:41 PM

me:  If you want to watch a movie in a setting that you have perfect control over (darkness, silence, phone-free, etc), then don’t leave your house.

exholt:  IMHO, the same argument could be made about you and your insistence on using the mobile in a setting which may not only cause great disturbance to other audience members, but also violate local theater policies meant to minimize/avoid such disturbances.

No, the same argument can’t be used about me.  When I leave my house, I expect that I’m rarely going to have people bend over backwards to accommodate me and my preferences.  People not washing their hands after the using the bathroom.  Twisty door knobs instead of levers.  Air conditioning cranked too high.  Etc.  Hell, all of these things can be found in places where I spend money:  restaurants, bookstores, doctors’ offices. 

In that same vein, if my dim phone causes “great” “disturbance” to people, that’s not my problem.  You’re in public.  Adapt.

Comment #208: stubbles  on  06/12  at  12:00 AM

me:  If you want to watch a movie in a setting that you have perfect control over (darkness, silence, phone-free, etc), then don’t leave your house.

exholt:  IMHO, the same argument could be made about you and your insistence on using the mobile in a setting which may not only cause great disturbance to other audience members, but also violate local theater policies meant to minimize/avoid such disturbances.

No, the same argument can’t be used about me.  When I leave my house, I expect that I’m rarely going to have people bend over backwards to accommodate me and my preferences.  I prefer for people to wash their hands after using the bathroom, and that happens distressingly rarely in public.  I can’t twist door knobs without it hurting so my house has door levers, which is rare to find in public.  My house doesn’t have air conditioning because I love the heat, and everywhere I go these days has air conditioning running as high as possible.  Etc.  All of these things can be found in places where I spend money:  restaurants, bookstores, doctors’ offices. 

In that same vein, if my dim phone causes “great” “disturbance” to people, that’s not my problem.  You’re in public.  Adapt.  Or get bigger problems.

Comment #209: stubbles  on  06/12  at  12:04 AM

Oops!  Decided mid-click to preview my tags and then made edits.  Sorry!

Comment #210: stubbles  on  06/12  at  12:19 AM

Pitching a fit because someone was texting during a movie is one of those situations.

Nobody is advocating that position, but is it really too much to ask for someone to refrain from texting during what is suppose to be an entertainment experience that costs more than a DVD rental and rarely lasts more than 2 hours?

Comment #211: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  12:41 AM

And by “so much”, I mean “not at all”.

The hell you do.

Comment #212: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  12:43 AM

is it really too much to ask for someone to refrain from texting during what is suppose to be an entertainment experience that costs more than a DVD rental and rarely lasts more than 2 hours?

I don’t think it’s too much to ask, no. Their rules, their standards. I personally think it’s silly to get worked up about someone silently typing a text in the theater, and I don’t see why it bothers anyone, but I don’t think the rule is an undue burden or anything.

It’s like a restaurant that has a dress code where you have to wear a jacket. I’m fine with abiding by the rule when I go, but I’m not going to get indignant about people thinking it’s silly to have to wear a jacket to go to the restaurant, especially if it’s family dining-style, and I’m not going to lodge a complain if I see someone eating without a jacket. Someone like exholt going on and on about how someone not wearing a jacket ruins her dining experience will come across as a bit silly to me.

Comment #213: Tyro  on  06/12  at  12:58 AM

Pitching a fit because someone was texting during a movie is one of those situations.

Nobody is advocating that position.

Go on.  Do tell...

Comment #214: NY Expat  on  06/12  at  04:11 AM

Apparently its considered rude to talk on a cell phone inside a taxi.

When people say things like this, I do wonder if said people have visited the same country/city that I live in.  No, it’s not considered rude to use your mobile in a taxi in London, just for the record.

For me, my mobile (which isn’t a smart one, and I haven’t bothered with apps and internet browsing, so far) has revolutionised my social life.  As someone who hates talking on the phone, texting has been my social-life saver.

This has been especially so with a small child in tow.  Making a phone call trying to organise meeting up with people can be pretty difficult with a toddler hanging off you.  Texting, on the other hand, is much easier.  Interrupted by toddler’s sudden urge to use the toilet?  That text message will still be there to finish off when that task is done.  Voice calls, not so much.

Comment #215: Katherine  on  06/12  at  08:09 AM

Just a damn minute, NYE, where have I suggested that pitching a fit over a fellow-theater goer texting is the correct response to the situation?

Comment #216: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  08:51 AM

I don’t think it’s too much to ask, no. Their rules, their standards. I personally think it’s silly to get worked up about someone silently typing a text in the theater, and I don’t see why it bothers anyone, but I don’t think the rule is an undue burden or anything.

There’s been enough complaints to managements of various theaters and concert halls to the point that almost every theater I’ve gone to has a no cell phone usage policy in the area where the movie is showing according to several friends who have worked in various movie theaters and concert halls in the last several years.  The common expectation is that any cell usage should be taken outside the area where the movie is showing to avoid potentially disturbing other audience members. 

In that same vein, if my dim phone causes “great” “disturbance” to people, that’s not my problem.  You’re in public.  Adapt.

I’ve witnessed several entitled undergrads making almost the exact same arguments to justify talking on their cell phones in some university libraries in the NYC area as they were confronted/escorted out by library staff/security.  And it is just as convincing to me and most people who I’ve met IME…...nothing more than the entitled prattling of overentitled self-absorbed people. 

You also seem to be ignoring how others may feel that the dimmed/shielded light may still be enough to disturb other audience members because the experience depends on a darkened theater where the main source of light is the movie, size of the theater, and the positions of where a given mobile user is sitting.

Comment #217: exholt  on  06/12  at  01:38 PM

If you’re the kind of person who goes to movies you’re not interested in to increase their ticket sales, human logic probably doesn’t work too well on you.

Comment #218: junk science  on  06/12  at  02:26 PM

We all agree that movie theaters can have all the policies they want.  I also completely agree with Tyro that if I’m told the leave the theater because I’m violating the policy, I wouldn’t care, because I am violating the policy.

The thing you seem to flat out refuse to accept is that you are not making a convincing argument that explains why a dim phone is the equivalent of talking.  I get that it disturbs some people.  Who are those people?  Why does it disturb them?  And why does their irrational expectation that 2011 movie patrons ignore their phones for two hours so that they can have a dark environment trump my complete disinterest in having a dark environment?  I mean, my god, movie theaters are not dark.  There’s tons of itty bitty lights all over the place to illuminate stairs and railings and such.  Frankly, if the “experience” of the movie is ruined by phones, you need to complain to the producers for making a shitty movie, not me.

Junk Science, let’s unpack that:

Comment #219: stubbles  on  06/12  at  02:56 PM

Sounds good to me.

Comment #220: junk science  on  06/12  at  02:58 PM

I get that it disturbs some people.  Who are those people?  Why does it disturb them?

Because it’s annoying and distracting. Just like talking. But you don’t seem to need a justification for that. After all, movie theaters aren’t quiet. If the people on the screen get to talk, why don’t you?

And why does their irrational expectation that 2011 movie patrons ignore their phones for two hours so that they can have a dark environment trump my complete disinterest in having a dark environment?

Why does your disinterest in having your wallet stolen trump my interest in stealing your wallet? Because we don’t live in a society of sociopaths. I get that you feel left out, but that’s how it is.

Frankly, if the “experience” of the movie is ruined by phones, you need to complain to the producers for making a shitty movie, not me.

Again, we’re not the ones who were stupid enough to pay for a movie we considered shitty. If you want to fuck around on your phone, you can do it outside the theater just as easily. Or at home, after you paid for your ticket and shot those ticket sales up by just that micrometer.

Comment #221: junk science  on  06/12  at  03:04 PM

Damn, I am fail at posting lately.

Junk Science, try expanding your understanding of human motivation.  When I have 20 dollars to waste and there’s a director who needs opening weekend support (http://www.moviesbywomen.com/fwg.php) or a particular kind of movie that shows the complexity of female characters, I consider a form of stupid activism to financially support it.  Other people use their 20 dollars to sit in an uncomfortable chair and passively stare at a screen and call it entertainment.  I think that’s silly, but whatever, who cares what I think?  However, why is it my responsibility that you enjoy your playtime to the fullest possible when your method enjoying entertainment is antithetical to social norms?  Maybe not your social norms, maybe you have the attention span to sit in the dark and not move for two hours straight.  Not my social group.

Comment #222: stubbles  on  06/12  at  03:11 PM

You said that the dim light from a phone is annoying and distracting in the same way that talking is.  I don’t believe that.  Talking, sure.  But no one has explained how “light” is the equivalent of “sound.”

Comment #223: stubbles  on  06/12  at  03:18 PM

However, why is it my responsibility that you enjoy your playtime to the fullest possible when your method enjoying entertainment is antithetical to social norms? 

I don’t know what “your” social norms might be, but the majority of people do in fact consider moviegoing a legitimate form of entertainment, and are capable of sitting quietly and enjoying them. I get that that’s not your thing, but don’t try to change the meaning of the word “norm” to justify it.

Maybe not your social norms, maybe you have the attention span to sit in the dark and not move for two hours straight.  Not my social group.

So how about maybe not going to the movie, then, if it doesn’t suit your sensibilities to do what the majority of adults in movie theaters actually do and are expected to do? Pay for your ticket, do your good deed, and leave. NASCAR doesn’t happen to be my “social group,” so I don’t go to auto races, because they bore me, and I’m not interested in going somewhere so I can annoy everyone around me and insist that it’s my right. Human logic again, which I can see is your bugaboo, but there you go.

Comment #224: junk science  on  06/12  at  03:45 PM

However, why is it my responsibility that you enjoy your playtime to the fullest possible when your method enjoying entertainment is antithetical to social norms?  Maybe not your social norms, maybe you have the attention span to sit in the dark and not move for two hours straight.  Not my social group.

I doubt your social norms will trump those of most movie theater audience members and those of friends who worked in such venues.  The norms of movie theater going IME was that at the very minimum you didn’t disturb other audience members who also paid the same ticket price and may want to actually enjoy the movie you find to be boring.  This was a reason why every theater I’ve gone to in the last several years now have anti-cell phone usage policies within the area where movies are shown. 

Being bored with a given movie is no license to disturb others and sometimes violating theater policies.  You always have the option of either leaving the theater altogether, sleeping, or bearing with it as best as you can to the end of the movie without disturbing other audience members.

Comment #225: exholt  on  06/12  at  03:55 PM

This would be a lot more convincing if there was a good explanation of how/why light = sound in a public place.

Comment #226: stubbles  on  06/12  at  04:44 PM

stubbles, I feel sorry for someone who can’t have a life free of texts or calls for TWO FUCKING HOURS OUT OF TWENTY-FOUR IN A DAY when they go to the movies.

Comment #227: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  05:09 PM

Dark Avenger, I don’t mind that you have opinions and value judgments about my behavior and reasons for going to a movie theater.  I’m just confused about how you managed to get so invested in my life.

Do people honestly have an expectation that they won’t be “disturbed” in a public space, just because they paid money to access that space?  How well does that work in restaurants or coffee shops or bars?  No one has a right to sit passively and stare forward for two hours in the atmosphere you have come to expect as normal.  If you can’t convince people that light is equatable to sound without reducing the conversation to “because it bothers me when people have a different relationship to phones, movies, public spaces, and entertainment than I do,” then maybe it’s not a legitimate expectation.

I doubt your social norms will trump those of most movie theater audience members and those of friends who worked in such venues.

Really?  You sure about that?  Because there’s a ton of people who quietly use their phones in theaters the few times I go, and judging from the apoplectic fits coming from you, Dark Avenger, and Junk Science, this is apparently something that happens pretty frequently in every other movie theater.  I’m far from unique.

Also, please stop insisting that people who create and enforce movie theater policy are as annoyed as you, because they aren’t.  I worked in a very large, very popular movie theater while in college, and was asked to hush people for eating popcorn too loudly, laughing during horror movies, or lighting up their watches (this was pre-cell phones).  Even management would take friendly bets on which movie would have the most Tracy Flicks come huffing out of the theater to tattle on someone breaking the rules.  We’d enforce the policy, of course, but we didn’t make fun of them nearly as much as we did the Tracy Flicks. 

(In retrospect, Tracy Flick isn’t really the correct archetype for that type of tattletale, but it worked at the time.)

Comment #228: stubbles  on  06/12  at  06:59 PM

Also, please stop insisting that people who create and enforce movie theater policy are as annoyed as you, because they aren’t.

Then you don’t know my friends and acquaintances who worked in the theaters who have had to field the complaints and escort out cell users who disturbed others.  Some of them have mused whether cell phones are a technology which provides another avenue for the self-absorbed to demonstrate their “inner-asshole” attitudes and others wondered whether they were “raised correctly”, “learned any basic manners/social skills”, “were narcissistic”, etc.

Comment #229: exholt  on  06/12  at  07:21 PM

It’s almost although different groups of people have different views about what is and is not worthy of complaining about.

Comment #230: stubbles  on  06/12  at  07:31 PM

*as though, not although.

I’m curious why you and your friends get to decide which behavior is considered “basic manners/social skills” but me and my friends don’t.

Comment #231: stubbles  on  06/12  at  07:34 PM

Do people honestly have an expectation that they won’t be “disturbed” in a public space, just because they paid money to access that space?

If they are in a movie theater where the social conventions since the talkie era and before that are that you watch the movie quietly, then, yes.

How well does that work in restaurants or coffee shops or bars?  No one has a right to sit passively and stare forward for two hours in the atmosphere you have come to expect as normal.

Except that a movie is a specific experience, the other places you mention have a variety of reasons come to them and have various products to offer them, in contrast to movie theaters.

You still haven’t answered why you can’t unleash yourself from the electronic tyranny of a cell phone for a couple of hours along with being considerate for your fellow moviegoers as well.

Comment #232: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  07:49 PM

If only mobile phones (sorry everyone who prefers “cell phones” but I think the UK phrase works better, and I’m used to it

The imprecision of “mobile” bothers me, because cellular phones are just a subset of mobile telephones. General Electric started selling mobile telephones in 1947—Humphrey Bogart can be seen using a carphone in the 1954 movie Sabrina—while the cellular phone wasn’t introduced until 1973, by Motorola.

http://www.wb6nvh.com/GE/GEhist1.htm
http://www.motorolasolutions.com/US-EN/About/Company+Overview/History/Timeline

Comment #233: Hector B.  on  06/12  at  11:52 PM

I’ve said a number of times now that the reason I use my cell phone during movies is because I don’t care about fulfilling the irrational expectations of my fellow moviegoers.  It’s really that simple:  you haven’t explained why it’s disruptive.  The light from my phone is not so bright that it fades out the movie screen, in the same way that, I assure you, my voice can trump the audio file of a movie.  Saying that the light from texting on a cell phone is as disruptive as talking on the cell phone is just incorrect.  You can prefer to have a dark theater, but you aren’t entitled to it anymore than I’m entitled to a theater that doesn’t blast the air conditioning.

And no, as I also said, movies are not a specific experience.  I don’t go to movie theaters for the same reason you do.  I have friends who only see movies when they want to impress a date.  Hell, when I worked at theater we were required to watch movies and hated it.

Comment #234: stubbles  on  06/12  at  11:57 PM

you haven’t explained why it’s disruptive.  The light from my phone is not so bright that it fades out the movie screen

No it just attracts attention to the dark-adapted peripheral vision of your fellow movie goers, and saying “I don’t have to explain my actions

movies are not a specific experience.  I don’t go to movie theaters for the same reason you do.

You go for the overpriced popcorn and soda, then.

You still haven’t explained what you would lose if you couldn’t text during the movies.

Comment #235: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/13  at  12:17 AM

You can prefer to have a dark theater, but you aren’t entitled to it

Common courtesy is increasingly rare these days. The social contract has expired.

People who are used to half-watching DVDs at home bring their habits to the movie theater. I fart in their general direction.

Comment #236: Hector B.  on  06/13  at  12:31 AM

Because there’s a ton of people who quietly use their phones in theaters the few times I go, and judging from the apoplectic fits coming from you, Dark Avenger, and Junk Science, this is apparently something that happens pretty frequently in every other movie theater.

Don’t flatter yourself. I know it tickles your pickle that anyone would have an “apoplectic fit” over you, but since I almost never come across your obnoxious ilk in movie theaters, I’m just entertaining myself now by laughing at you.

Enjoy being a jerk. I’m sure you do.

Comment #237: junk science  on  06/13  at  12:37 AM

Dark Avenger, that’s a really stupid question and I have no idea what answer you think you’d get.  I wouldn’t lose anything from not texting in movies, what’s your point?  Is your retort going to be “then you shouldn’t do it because it’s rude”?  Because we’ve established that no one can explain what’s rude about it.  I mean, respecting the sanctity of your goddamned peripheral vision will never be a priority for me.

Comment #238: stubbles  on  06/13  at  02:54 AM

#222 You know you can purchase a ticket to a movie you want to support but are pretty sure you won’t like, and then *not go*, right? Then if you’re still curious about it, heard good reviews, whatever, you can see it on Netflix later.

Comment #239: Selena777  on  06/13  at  06:52 AM

I wouldn’t lose anything from not texting in movies, what’s your point?  Is your retort going to be “then you shouldn’t do it because it’s rude”?

No, I can see that the concept of manners is beyond your comprehension.

Because we’ve established that no one can explain what’s rude about it.

Nope, we’ve established that you don’t think it’s distracting, and that you can’t explain your reason for texting except, “I WANT TO.”

Comment #240: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/13  at  09:06 AM

Don’t try to appeal to stubbie’s better nature—proudly feral, he lacks one.

Comment #241: Hector B.  on  06/13  at  10:02 AM

Hector B, to paraphrase an old TX saying:

“If ego were pus, stubbie would just about fill up a gasoline tanker truck.”

Comment #242: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/13  at  11:03 AM

I’m a Linux enthusiast and sent my first e-mail in 1985. I have an Ipad, an Ipod touch, and a Linux netbook computer.

But although I could easily afford a “smartphone”, I have a simple flip-phone with no data plan. I carry it mostly for safety (try to find a payphone anymore) and because sometimes it *is* more convenient (for making plans with friends, calling in when the flight’s late, when the car breaks down, etc.)

It’s not worth the extra expense to me just to be able to access the Internet in some parking lot or other random outdoor location. My circle of friends is small and we mostly use e-mail for quick communication. My workplace runs on e-mail, which I don’t need to be able to check anywhere and anytime.

As for maps and directions, I find a well-trained memory works just fine. A 59-cent notepad will work for any directions or addresses that are a little more complicated.

Sometimes I’m glad I’m not so young. Exhausting and expensive it seems, the social world of endless texting and throw-away amateur photography. When I’m not at work or playing around on-line at home, I kind of like to just *be where I am and be with who I’m with.*

Comment #243: wapsie  on  06/13  at  02:02 PM

Exhausting and expensive it seems, the social world of endless texting and throw-away amateur photography.

Not really. It’s actually a lot of fun.

Comment #244: junk science  on  06/13  at  02:11 PM

@junk science: Fun for you maybe. Still costs a lot, though. My younger self couldn’t have remotely afforded it.

And I think you’re maybe missing things, with half your mind not really being where your body is.

Mind the context, too: I *love* being on-line, and I’ve been there a long time. But when I’m out and moving around, I *like* being disconnected from the communications network, so that I can give all my attention to the reality around me.

Not all experience can or should be mediated.

Comment #245: wapsie  on  06/13  at  03:45 PM

@233: Yes I appreciate that “mobile phone” isn’t quite as technically correct as “cell phone”. Mind you my inner geek is also pointing out that “cell phone” isn’t specific enough with different standards.

But the key feature of a mobile phone is that it is mobile - not that it communicates via a local cell, or a satellite, or whatever. However persuading the British that it should be called a “cell phone” or Americans that it should be a “mobile phone” is rather pointless. We may as well relax to the inevitable and enjoy the quirky little differences.

@243: Sounds like me, except I do have a smartphone. I’ve never really understood the “electronic leash” thing - I answer the phone when it’s convenient to me to do so; similarly for the other smartphone features. It stays in the pocket (often I don’t realise it’s ringing) when I’m busy

Comment #246: veryz  on  06/13  at  05:04 PM

@233: Yes I appreciate that “mobile phone” isn’t quite as technically correct as “cell phone”. Mind you my inner geek is also pointing out that “cell phone” isn’t specific enough with different standards.

But the key feature of a mobile phone for most people is that it is mobile - not that it communicates via a local cell, or a satellite, or whatever. However persuading the British that it should be called a “cell phone” or Americans that it should be a “mobile phone” is rather pointless. We may as well relax to the inevitable and enjoy the quirky little differences.

@243: Sounds like me, except I do have a smartphone. I’ve never really understood the “electronic leash” thing - I answer the phone when it’s convenient to me to do so; similarly for the other smartphone features. It stays in the pocket (often I don’t realise it’s ringing) when I’m busy.

Comment #247: veryz  on  06/13  at  05:08 PM

Pop culture’s insatiable affection for whiz-kid gadgetry (and the dwindling resources that power it) is gonna look pretty quaint in 50 years when our progeny is slaughtering each other over dwindling food supplies and clean water.

Comment #248: elpathos  on  06/13  at  05:32 PM

And I think you’re maybe missing things, with half your mind not really being where your body is.

It’s worse than you think. Half my body isn’t where my body is.

Comment #249: junk science  on  06/14  at  12:01 AM
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