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So last week I was helping with the Seal Press booth at the National Women’s Studies Association conference in Cincinnati, so I took the opportunity to get some books that they put out that I’ve wanted to read but haven’t gotten around to yet.  One was a book I’ve been eyeballing for awhile, with equal parts enthusiasm and dread: Single State of the Union: Single Women Speak Out on Life, Love, and the Pursuit of Happiness, an anthology edited by Diane Mapes.  I was eager, because I wanted to read single women talking about being single in honest ways, because right now 99.9% of pop culture references to single women carry the assumption that single women are primarily interested in not being single.  And that’s not been my experience of single life at all.  On the other hand, I dreaded reading it because I feared that there would be a lot of New-Agey-love-your-broken-self-as-is stuff that doesn’t go far enough in exposing myths, especially the wrong myth that being single equals being unhappy for women. 

I shouldn’t have worried.  There were probably a couple of essays that crossed my nonsense line, but most of the pieces in here are refreshingly free of sentimentality.  Most of the writers manage to tease out the complexities of enjoying your independent single life while also being open to combining your life with a partner’s, if that comes along.  A couple of the writers do think of themselves as way too dedicated to living alone to ever live with a partner, and a few pieces come from women who left their single days behind but still have fond memories.  A few women haven’t quite gotten to the point in your life where you really, truly get over the doormat tendencies around men that are bred into women from a young age, and while I flinched at some points as these women detailed out their mistakes in overplaying their hands with men they meet, I really appreciated the inclusion of that viewpoint.  Because it is a part of single life, and for a lot of straight women, a tendency you have to overcome or men will keep making you unhappy.  For myself personally, living completely and utterly alone for a year and a half was a critical part of my development into a woman with a genuine backbone of my very own, because it wasn’t until I lived alone that I really did scrub the belief out that men had something to offer me that I didn’t have to offer them, and that I have to be more compliant.  For that reason, I especially enjoyed a couple of the essays from women who’ve left relationships to live by themselves and found out that it was a joy and a boost to the self-esteem to start handling parts of life that men handled in the past (everything from finances to house repairs) because of strict gender roles.  I think men are easier to get along with the less you feel like you need them and the more you feel like you chose them freely, a point of view not that welcome in the mainstream media but well argued in a number of essays in this book.


What I loved was how many writers really articulated one of the central pleasures of living by yourself—-the ability to just go about your business unobserved.  It’s far from the most important thing in the world, and I was happy to let go of that to have the benefits of living with someone that I really enjoy.  But really, it’s hard to describe it.  Judy McGuirre talks about the ability to create your space how you like it, which is how I discovered I like blogging standing up in the kitchen.  But it was M. Susan Wilson who describes this phenomenon perfectly—-it’s the ability to vacuum naked, to eat food straight from the bag while drinking wine straight from the bottle, the ability to sing loudly in the shower.  I can do all these things now with my equally irreverent boyfriend, but no matter how cool your partner or roommates are, they’re probably going to ask you why you do the weird shit you do, even if they don’t judge you for it. 

Which gets to the beauty of this book—-it’s not so much a “Rah-rah! Single!” as it is just a series of snapshots that creates a reality-based story about how life is just life.  And there’s advantages to living alone (and it is a period of your life that I think every woman should experience, because it really gives you the space not normally allotted to women for self-development), but advantages to living with someone under the right circumstances.  The same women often have both in their lives at some point in time, so the media-concocted antagonism between single and married women is more than a little misleading.  Everything’s a trade-off, and in the single/coupled one, the trade-off is often between being lonely at times versus having someone up in your shit, sharing your bathroom. 

So why so much fear and loathing of single women, the fear and loathing recorded throughout this book in complaints about people pushing marriage, friends discontinuing invitations to parties because they fear you’ll come alone, and even my own internal weirdness over admitting that both single life and coupled life have things to recommend it, knowing that I should rate the latter as superior to the former in every way?  As incomprehensible as it is to me, there seems to be a society-wide fear that if women don’t need men to get by, we won’t choose men.  There are cases where this fear seems well-founded, especially when you’re reading anti-choice rants by the insufferable little pricks of the world otherwise known as “college Republicans”, who have a good reason to fear that without unplanned pregnancy to trap some woman into marriage, their odds go down significantly of getting married and having a permanent source of laundry and housework.

But for most of the population, these fears are overblown.  This collection shows why—-all women who’ve demonstrated that they don’t need men to survive, but all but a few (most of the writers are straight) would happily set aside their single status if a happy relationship came along.  Is the fear that women have higher standards when we’re making choices freely?  For the MRAs that run around complaining about “high maintenance” American women, with our demands that potential partners have a sense of fairness towards women and responsibility for themselves, certainly think so, that women need to be oppressed so that they personally can be assholes and still manage to secure partners.  But they’re a small minority, but many single women report getting hostility from a diverse population.  Why are single women so scary?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:27 PM • (41) Comments

there need to be more books and stories about this.  It took me a long time to realize that my years of singleness made me confident an independent, valuable person whether or not I’m in a relationship.  And I think that a lack of stories that celebrate these parts of peoples lives make it hard for others to understand that.

Comment #1: bethany  on  06/26  at  06:51 PM

i really liked the way the book “bachelor girl: the secret history of single women in the 20th century” took on the myth of the conciously single woman as some sort of very recent phenomenon. ive been eyeing this book every time im at the bookstore, wary like you were. i might check it out now.

as to the learning you dont actually need a man, i was lucky to learn that when i was 9 years old and my mom and i left my abusive father. it was really great for she and i to build our new furniture together (pre-fab, not from planks of wood or anything) and hook up all our electronics. i do like having at least a roomate tho if im not living with a partner, cos i hate taking out the garbage.

Comment #2: jessilikewhoa  on  06/26  at  06:59 PM

Any single woman can tell you dozens of personal stories of friends/relatives getting on their case about being single.  “When are you settling down/getting married/getting a boyfriend” becomes a constant drone.  Are these people so insecure with their decision to couple up that they have to pressure everyone else into making the same decision?  I think so, because in my experience it’s not the couples who seem the happiest/most in harmony with each other who do the pressuring. 
The exact same principle applies to the pressure to have kids or join a religion.

Comment #3: Nico  on  06/26  at  07:01 PM

Nico, that’s an interesting point.  My mother has been putting the pressure on about at least getting into a steady committed relationship that anticipates marriage, if not flat out getting engaged, since I was 22.  Which, btw, is the ideal age of marriage where I grew up, in Deepest RedNeckia, for middle class women at least (if you’re working class, it’s 18).

I’d never really thought before that this might have something to do with the fact that she married my father at when she was barely 20, and might have regrets about settling down so young.  I’ve had almost a decade of oats sowage, while she had maybe a year (though she was already dating my father when she turned 18, so not really even that).

Comment #4: The Opoponax  on  06/26  at  07:09 PM

Is the fear that women have higher standards when we’re making choices freely?

Oddly, I found that by one measure, I had a lower standard when making a free choice.  If I had been raised to think that I had to find a man who was a “provider,” I wouldn’t be with my husband, who makes the same crappy salary that I do.

Comment #5: Mnemosyne  on  06/26  at  07:23 PM

I TRY, I really do, to be a “good” Feminist and not the kind of Feminist who just plain hates men. I really do try. Really! And honestly, I am married to a man and my best friend is a man and I don’t hate men.

But

it seems to me to be that the simple truth is that men NEEED women, but women don’t NEEED men. We actually don’t. We are just more centered beings on the whole.

This causes the men to be paralyzed with fear that we will abandon them, or something. So they set up repressive systems to FORCE us to need them (you know, like not allowing women to earn money or own property, or have a child that doesn’t legally belong to a man, without being stoned to death for it, or in Capitalist societies, starved).

And even in the USA, even today, there is just this TERROR that women will wake up and realize that we don’t need the bullshit most men are peddling. Thus the nearly culture-wide abhorrance of Feminists and the unacceptability of a single state for gals. (“Old Maid” has always been a slur; “Old Bachelor”, never.)

It is like a f++++ing house of Mirrors: Men terrorize women with violence, repression and rape….because the men are themselves TERRIFIED, just TERRIFIED, that they will somehow lose the upper hand and be abandoned. Because deep down, they know we don’t need them as badly as they need us.

Comment #6: KMTBERRY  on  06/26  at  07:37 PM

I honestly look forward to conversations with all types of people about subjects as varied as politics, religion, TV, philosophy….why is it that with my single 30-something girlfriends the topic HAS to revolve around teh menz, marriage, and baybees? WE NEED TO BE COUPLED. Argle bargle. It really creeps me out. I really am in the minority.

Comment #7: AnthroBabe  on  06/26  at  07:42 PM

This may be OT, since I’m thinking about the opposite of continuous single-ness here, but I was wondering if the book has anything about women analysing their own ingrained perception of needing to be in a relationship (as opposed to just wanting to). I’m not talking about being single and generally happy about it but also feeling like they need to do something different because of outside pressures though, I’m thinking more along the lines of people who are always in a relationship because they haven’t discovered the sort of independence and self-confidence that other people are talking about here. I used to worry that the reason I was rarely single was because of Patriarchy Brain-Takeover, but after having some stints of casual dating I confirmed for myself that I’m not just jumping into a relationship with whatever guy happens along next. Reading people talk about singleness though, I get the feeling that I must like being in a relationship waaay more than being single, and other people’s perception of or enjoyment of singleness is pretty different from mine. I guess the short version of what I’m asking is how does everyone figure out whether they’re doing something that’s “patriarchy-approved” just because they naturally happen to like it or because they haven’t thought about the pressures they may be unconsciously operating under?

Comment #8: MaeBell  on  06/26  at  08:05 PM

I guess the short version of what I’m asking is how does everyone figure out whether they’re doing something that’s “patriarchy-approved” just because they naturally happen to like it or because they haven’t thought about the pressures they may be unconsciously operating under?

It’s tricky, because some people really are happier as part of a couple, while other people are much happier not having that entanglement.  (I’ve been with my guy for 8 years total, so clearly I’m on the “likes entanglement” end of the spectrum.)

I guess my argument would be that women should at least try living alone and being single for a while and see if they like it, because historically women have not been allowed to make that choice.

I didn’t hate being single, and there are times that I miss having that solitude, but overall I prefer being part of a couple.  My husband is the one who’s looking forward to having some single-like solitude when I go out of town for a convention next year.

Comment #9: Mnemosyne  on  06/26  at  08:13 PM

Great review, I’ll have to put it in my wish list.

Count me as one of those women who came into their own once they had to live alone, which started my last semester in college. I was going to live with female friends but they flaked on me at the last minute so I had to find a place for myself rather quickly. It was cheap and run down but I made it my own and I ended up liking it. Fast Forward to grad school half a country away from my home and I’m looking for studios by myself and I’ve been living alone for the last four years. What’s funny is that every time I meet someone new, or talk to relatives I haven’t seen in a while everyone asks me where I’m living and when they find out I’m living alone their answer is always a shocked, “You live ALONE? In Los Angeles?” usually followed by a comment that it must be scary for me (if the commenter is male) or it would be scary for them (if the commenter is female) to live alone. I have friends now who are constantly asking me to be their roommate when they move or lose a current roommate and they’re always surprised when I tell them I’d rather live alone. I had planned to move in with a friend but I ended up reconsidering because of a very shallow reason: my refrigerator magnets.I found myself staring at my fridge, which I have covered in magnets I’ve collected and thinking, “She’s got a lot of stuff on her fridge too, how will that work?”

I know, I know, stupid. But it got me seriously thinking about the logistics of living with someone, even a best friend, and how that would change my life and my space. Cause you can count me (and her even) among the people who love to hang out naked in their apartments and I don’t know how that’s going to go over if we move in together.

Comment #10: UltraMagnus  on  06/26  at  08:33 PM

how does everyone figure out whether they’re doing something that’s “patriarchy-approved” just because they naturally happen to like it or because they haven’t thought about the pressures they may be unconsciously operating under?

For me, at least in terms of questions about coupling and my own comfort zone, it has to do with flexibility outside the narrow patriarchy-approved patterns.  Whether that’s feeling the need to be in a relationship or hewing to the old familiar Single Woman script. 

For instance I’m one of those people who just doesn’t like living alone.  I need to be able to combine my socializing time with my at-home-relaxing time, probably because I grew up in a huge family and it’s what I’m used to.  Under the “patriarchy-approved” models, that means I should either be a serial monogamist always shacking up (or, heck, MARRIED!1!!!eleven!!11!) or I should just be living out some pathetic cliche of either being miserable and alone or maybe having a roommate in some kind of college-girl throwback situation where we eat a lot of Lean Cuisine TV Dinners and have crappy Ikea furniture because nobody is willing to invest in such a supposedly “temporary” situation. 

By fighting against the “patriarchy-approved” mindset, I’ve found a living situation that actually works for me.  I’m single, but I live with my best friend who happens to be a straight guy who I will NEVER EVER EVER be romantically involved with (and both of us are quite happy with that).  I’ve sometimes thought of it as a post-modern Boston Marriage.  I don’t think this kind of living arrangement would be possible if I was just living according to the Patriarchy Rulebook.

But then what if you’re perfectly happy in the patriarchy-approved situations, I don’t know.  I certainly wouldn’t say that anyone who ends up there is obviously just going through the motions, or a bad feminist, or something.  I guess it’s just a matter of knowing that you’re doing what’s right for you, and not feeling shoehorned into a certain way of life because it’s “what people do”.

Comment #11: The Opoponax  on  06/26  at  08:50 PM

I find it funny: I get more or less, the best of both worlds.  My husband is a pilot, so he’s gone for a lot of the month.  When we’re home, there’s the first few days of made snuggling where we’re inseperable, but then it drifts off into us needing our own space for a bit.

For most of the time, I “live alone” but no one hassles me about it, because I’ve the patriarchy-approved ring on my finger.

The world is weird sometimes.

Comment #12: Antigone  on  06/26  at  09:37 PM

I remember sitting next to a woman on an airplane once back in my 20s who was freaking out because I, a female, was moving abroad to a different country, and DOING IT BY MYSELF. 

Weird, that.  When you run into people freaking out about your solitary lifestyle, are they usually male or female?  I’ve found more women hitting the ceiling—wonder whether what I’m receiving is projection of their own fears, especially probably overprotected by parents etc.

The best training I can think for young women to help them over the hump is martial arts classes….

Comment #13: grumpy realist  on  06/26  at  10:20 PM

“It seems to me to be that the simple truth is that men NEEED women, but women don’t NEEED men. We actually don’t. We are just more centered beings on the whole.”

With respect, KMT, I think that is a complete and utter fallacy and indeed, part of the problem with the way we infantalise men, although I believe you are right that this myth is part of what makes men so controlling over women, it is just that, a myth.  Men are just as capable of living lives as whole, complete, and fulfilled without women as women are without men. Women are not “more centered beings”  and these myths are part of the culture which harms women. Sure, it might be comforting to believe that “women are stronger” or whatever, but part of that belief system is that therefore women can bare more of the shit that people throw at them, it doesn’t hurt them as much so why worry about it? There are plenty of men who are happy and complete in themselves, and the more women refuse to believe that part of your role as a partner is to be an emotional crutch (as oppose to offering genuine emotional support, which is different) the more of these men we will create.

Everyone should be encouraged to spend at least a year being self reliant, I would certainly think it was a good idea for both my son and my daughter, and it’s great to find a book where people are talking about it as a positive experience.

Comment #14: Rebel L  on  06/26  at  10:27 PM

KMT, I think that if men feel that they need women, it’s also because of our sexist culture.  Men aren’t permitted to be emotional creatures, and so they lean on women to give them that one lifeline to their emotional selves that they can’t express in other ways without having their masculinity called into question.  If they were freed from that constraint, they’d probably be less insecure.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/26  at  10:30 PM

MaeBell, I think both living single and coupled have their advantages, though humans being social creatures, it’s perfectly fine to want to end up coupled if you can do so happily.  But I think it’s wise to spend some time alone.  I feel my relationship is a lot healthier because I’ve lived alone and know that I can and the world won’t end.  Knowing that every day I’m here because I choose it freely and without fear of the alternatives makes me happier.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/26  at  10:33 PM

Being single and living alone in our culture is highly, highly underrated.  I’ve been living alone since I graduated from college 4 years ago.  In fact, I’ve gotten so used to my freedom and independence that it seriously bothers me when my brother visits and changes the radio station in my car and the channel on my TV without bothering to ask me how I feel about it.  I’m always thinking:  “what nerve he has to march in here and claim the place for himself and mess with my shit!”  Stuff like that just reminds me of how satisfied I am to not be living with a guy.  I know not all guys are like that, but way too many are and most women just put up with it.  Also, like Amanda said, it’s hard to counteract the doormat tendencies that are ingrained in women from birth.  Living alone and being self-sufficient, if anything, gives women the opportunity to really define their spaces and live how they please—a privilege that most men are granted automatically.

Comment #17: Cat Ion  on  06/26  at  11:10 PM

Yeah, sorry KMT, but that’s rubbish, I’m quite fond of women but I don’t “need” them. I do need people, and some of those people are women and some of them are men. And I need them for different things.

Comment #18: Offthestreeter  on  06/26  at  11:37 PM

I’ve definitely thought to myself in the past ~1 1/2 years I’ve been living on my own that the next time I end up in a real (not long-distance) relationship that I’ll be a lot different due to living independently and on my own terms - especially in terms of not ‘needing’ so much someone to be around and do stuff with, and asserting the way I like to do things rather than doing everything “his way”.  I’m kind of in a combination of Antigone and The Opoponax’s situations: I’ve been in a long-distance relationship for a while and I just moved in with one of my best guy friends. After graduating college I really started to miss that impromptu hanging out with friends feeling of the dorms, and this has brought some of that back, although after living with acquaintances that I rarely saw for a year I’ve developed a taste for hanging out by myself. I do think sometimes that it’s partly a good things that the bf is living far away because I still don’t have any constraints on my time - I can run errands and eat and pick up and go somewhere fun whenever I want, or stay at work until 11:30 (yes, I’m waiting on some labwork to finish now), and not have anyone waiting for me. And I can still run off and have alone time when I need it, in the space that belongs only to me.

It makes me wonder though, if this is not so much of an issue of women not wanting to couple, but with women not wanting to get stuck yet again in the situation that is Patriarchal Relationships. This is definitely not an “everyone must secretly want to do things just like me” kind of statement, because I’m aware people have different preferences. I agree with Cat Ion that it’s a pain to negotiate with people to respect our own preferences (oh, how many times I’ve had the radio conversation with people in my car), but perhaps if we entered relationships without the assumption that he defines the space and we take care of it, it’d feel less like “giving up” singleness. And if we learned independence and assertiveness all our lives, we’d need less of that period to figure out how to do it. I’m interested to hear any different takes on it.

Comment #19: MaeBell  on  06/27  at  12:12 AM

Many years ago there was this commercial on TV which, for some reason, stuck with me because I liked it (very rare with commercials, etc.). It was a toothpaste commercial, peddling the usual “use our product in order to be desireable and happy” schtick.  The ad featured a bridesmaid who was getting tired of being an attendant at so many weddings, so the commercial voice (narrator?) told her to try “ULTRABRITE” toothpaste and become more beautiful!    The ad then revisits the young women (supposedly a few weeks later after using Ultrabrite) and the voice asks if she is engaged yet. She enthusiastically responds ” Who wants to get married? I’m having too much fun!” while surrounded by a group of attractive young men admiring her new smile at somebody else’s wedding.

I was a kid when that aired, and didn’t know how rare that sort of message would become.

Comment #20: happyfungirl  on  06/27  at  01:53 AM

KMT, I think that if men feel that they need women, it’s also because of our sexist culture.  Men aren’t permitted to be emotional creatures, and so they lean on women to give them that one lifeline to their emotional selves that they can’t express in other ways without having their masculinity called into question.  If they were freed from that constraint, they’d probably be less insecure.

As someone who is pretty resistant to gender essentialism, I knew that I shouldn’t think KMT was right, but I kind of thought she was right. Now, I think it’s because of what Amanda said. One area that feminism has made progress is that more women can do things that are traditionally thought of as male - pursuing education, careers, sports, etc. - but far less progress has been made in making it okay for men to do “feminine” things like feel shit, and talk about it. I’m hoping that the next generation will be better off in that regard. On any feminist blog run by women with sons, this is a major theme.

On the topic of the post, I found living by myself and getting okay with that to be a really important experience. I sometimes wish I had done it longer. And it makes me sad that some of my single friends really do seem to lament their position. I find that I (from the reality of marriage and kids) am the one reminding them that finding “someone” is not the be-all, end-all of existence.

Comment #21: chingona  on  06/27  at  04:53 AM

It makes me wonder though, if this is not so much of an issue of women not wanting to couple, but with women not wanting to get stuck yet again in the situation that is Patriarchal Relationships.

I think this has to be part of it. I think it’s one of the reasons I have more female friends who are hesitant about marriage (these are different friends than the ones who don’t want to be single) and more male friends who are eager to marry. Obviously, this is the exact opposite of what popular culture would have you believe, and kind of ties into what KMT said about men needing women more than women need men. Perhaps it is that men benefit from being in relationships more than women do because we haven’t come far enough in changing what relationships, especially long-term cohabited or married relationships look like.

I think women are more aware than men of what they might sacrifice in a relationship, precisely because they often do sacrifice more than men.

Comment #22: chingona  on  06/27  at  04:59 AM

I’ve lived alone for about four years.  People are always surprized when they find out that I’m a single disabled woman living alone, but I wouldn’t have it any other way.  I love being alone—and I think I would seriously drive anyone who lived with me crazy (because I’m messy and insomniaish and sing in the shower, etc).  Once in a while the men in my life (family/friends) will feel the need to come over and help with what they think of as manly chores (stuff like putting the furniture together), but to be honest, I’m much better and faster at it than they are and I’d rather do it myself.

Comment #23: angryyoungwoman  on  06/27  at  05:53 AM

MaeBell: It makes me wonder though, if this is not so much of an issue of women not wanting to couple, but with women not wanting to get stuck yet again in the situation that is Patriarchal Relationships.

That too. Between the (straight) woman who wants to live with a man no matter how bad, and the one who doesn’t want to, no matter how good, there’s a very large continuum of conditional clauses.

Also, living alone and being single are not the same thing. On one side, you can live with roommates yet be single, on the other side you can have a boyfriend/girlfriend without the two of you sharing a flat.

I have lived alone for most of my life, but with many of my friends living within walking distance. Which is, AFAIAC, optimal.

Comment #24: inge  on  06/27  at  08:09 AM

Living alone was one of the best experiences of my life.  I loved living alone.  (Well, I wasn’t entirely alone—I had two doggies, which added a lot to my happiness.)  I loved the solitude, the privacy, the not having to answer to anyone, the ability to have things just as I liked them.  There were a few drawbacks, mainly having to do with “Oh god, this piece of furniture is too heavy to carry upstairs alone, I wish someone was around to give me a hand with this”-type situations.  Also, I love to cook, and somehow cooking for myself alone just isn’t as fun as cooking for myself and others.  (Which was easily taken care of by throwing frequent dinner parties.)  I’d still be happily living alone if I hadn’t met a person who appealed to me so much and was so fun to be around that I *wanted* to live with him.

Additionally, I agree with other posters: living alone really helped me to grow a backbone and realize once and for all that I didn’t need anyone else—male or female—to make me a whole person.  I was absolutely convinced—and actually quite satisfied with the idea—that I was going to be single for the rest of my life.  IMO, being totally good with being single, being happily self-reliant, is pretty much the best way to end up in a stable, happy relationship (if that is, of course, something you’re open to).  I think Amanda is right about why that is; if you aren’t afraid of being single, if you actually enjoy it and feel that it will take someone really special to make you want to be not-single, it greatly reduces the possibility that you will get into a relationship with someone who will mistreat you and make you unhappy.

Comment #25: Rumblelizard  on  06/27  at  08:31 AM

Every year when I go home for Christmas, some well meaning family member (or five) will ask me, “so, any men in your life?”  Before asking about school, work, whatever.  The first couple of times I was really flustered and just like, “uh, no.”  A couple of years ago I came up with my now-standard response: “If I want something else to take care of, I’ll get a plant.”  It shuts them up.
I really, really, really like being alone.  I haven’t had roommates since college (4+ yrs ago), and even then I was living with a couple who were pretty wrapped up in each other so it was almost like living alone, only much cheaper.

Comment #26: LauraB  on  06/27  at  09:04 AM

I have lived alone for most of my life, but with many of my friends living within walking distance. Which is, AFAIAC, optimal.

Word.  This is what I aspire, to, actually, and the only situation that could induce me to get a place by myself.  In pursuit of this, I have joined the neighborhood CSA, which I’m hoping will spark more friendships with likeminded neighbors.

Comment #27: The Opoponax  on  06/27  at  10:00 AM

“there seems to be a society-wide fear that if women don’t need men to get by, we won’t choose men.”

Yes yes yes!  This seems to be at the root of so much of today’s anti-feminist backlash.  I have not been with my boyfriend for five years because I need him, but because I actually like him and enjoy him.

I agree with you KMT, but like the other commenters, I believe this issue is wholly a product of gendered socialization.  It’s a vicious cycle.

Comment #28: SarahMC  on  06/27  at  10:41 AM

I love my fella, and I prefer to live with him, even though I really like my alone time.  I lived alone for about 3 years, 2 in college, and sometimes I’d like him to be next door, maybe, or downstairs.  Or maybe this open-loft living is just grating on me today, but I do worry about becoming too dependent (after almost 10 years living together).  I recently had a convo w/ a friend about some scientific studies have shown that your brain shifts over time, as certain parts/skills are allowed to atrophy because your partner uses those parts or does those skills more/better.  Each person in the couple “specializes,” so to speak, so while you gain in some areas, you lose in others.  It’s (mostly) unconscious, of course, but it kinda freaked me out.  Sorry I don’t have any citations—we were just shooting the breeze on a beach walk.

Comment #29: Wroth  on  06/27  at  11:40 AM

The exact same principle applies to the pressure to have kids or join a religion.

Exactly.  It’s the living up to expectations.
Single? When are you going to meet someone?
Dating? When are you getting engaged/married?
Married? When are you have kids?
Have a kid? What are you having the second one?

Now if you’re lucky, after you’ve lived up to all these expectations they might actually start paying attention to you.  It’s generally very gendered, especially the issue of kids.  While I frequently am barraged by these questions during family visits or even conversations with complete strangers my boyfriend gets to remain blissfully unaware of the pressure on our relationship to get hitched and pop some kids out already.

I do know some men who have to answer the “When are you getting married?’ IF they’ve been dating someone for a very long time, but they’ve been able to avoid the rest.

Comment #30: Hypatia  on  06/27  at  11:43 AM

I lived alone for almost 9 years (thru college and 5 years after) and I am forever happy that I took that time for myself.  The self confidence I gained during that time is so valuable.  Learning to be alone without being lonely made it so much easier to say no to the jerks I dated briefly, and build the relationship that was healthy when the right man for me came along.

I’m hoping I can encourage a dear friend of mine to go this route as her engagement just ended.  She’s never lived alone and I think always being at least somewhat dependent has done a number on her self esteem.  It’s led her to make poor choices regarding men and put up with a lot of crap just for the sake of not being alone.

Comment #31: Olivia  on  06/27  at  12:57 PM

For the MRAs that run around complaining

What is an MRA, again?

Comment #32: Notorious P.A.T.  on  06/27  at  01:14 PM

It’s particularly fun when you’re the single woman that your friends’ husbands and boyfriends are afraid of. I had one girlfriend whose fiance got really nervous when she hung out with me without him present; it was as if he was afraid that she’d have so much fun with me that she’d convert back to single life. They were living together and he was insecure and smothering. When she did insist on bringing him along (always at the last minute, probably due to his pleading), he’d play patriarch, insisting on paying for everything (I would politely decline), and making other big shows of ‘manliness’. She was a different person when he was around - hypervigilant to his moods, easily upset, quieter. I was never anything but polite to him, but I freaked him out. I liked her a lot, but she was such a head case when they were together that I stopped hanging out with her.

Luckily, the vast majority of my coupled friends have men in their lives who are fairly well balanced.

Comment #33: Ginger  on  06/27  at  01:53 PM

MRA = Men’s Rights Activist

Comment #34: Olivia  on  06/27  at  02:20 PM

My fiancee never lived alone - she spent a few months living with some roommates, but other than that moved in with me from her mom’s house. There are all kinds of things that she’s never had to do - she pays her fair share of the rent and bills but I take care of the actual payment, as well as most of the housework.

It puts pressure on our relationship and I wish she had had those experiences before we met, but at this stage I don’t think there’s anything either of us can do about it. If we broke up now she’d pick up living alone fine - if we break up in 20 years time it’ll be a lot harder for her to adjust.

Ech, I don’t know.

Comment #35: pepito  on  06/27  at  04:01 PM

After more than a decade of marriage, I lived “alone” (as in just me and my then-toddler) for fifteen years.  I now live officially alone (I don’t even have a pet, although I’ve managed to acquire plants).  I’ve always felt that I never really grew up until after my marriage ended; as bad as it was, he did take care of certain things so I wouldn’t have to.  Once I was on my own, I was responsible for everything, and I realized that I liked it.  Heh… although I remember lying awake the first few nights after I moved out, knowing that if there was scary sound that *I* would be the one who had to get up and check it out, for the first time in my life (at age 32).

I’ve had a lot of time over the years to work out the differences between wanting a partner and needing one.  Honestly, it would take a lot for me to give up my privacy and let someone else re-arrange my stuff (I can really relate to UltraMagnus’ comment about refrigerator magnets).  Now, if I could find Mr. Wonderful and we could live next door to each other, getting together when the mood struck and going home to our own spaces when it didn’t….. wasn’t it Katharine Hepburn who suggested that arrangement?  Sounds like heaven to me….

Comment #36: NobleExperiments  on  06/27  at  04:27 PM

Hypatia: Now if you’re lucky, after you’ve lived up to all these expectations they might actually start paying attention to you. 

People annoying me with expectations of this kind are not the ones I want to pay attention to me. Especially as I have no intent to pay attention to them.

Comment #37: inge  on  06/27  at  07:16 PM

What’s funny is that every time I meet someone new, or talk to relatives I haven’t seen in a while everyone asks me where I’m living and when they find out I’m living alone their answer is always a shocked, “You live ALONE? In Los Angeles?” usually followed by a comment that it must be scary for me (if the commenter is male) or it would be scary for them (if the commenter is female) to live alone.

I lived alone in Los Angeles for 11 years and the only really scary day was when there was a drive-by shooting at the grocery store across the street from my house.  That’s the nice thing about having cats—you can attribute the stray random house noises to them.  wink

(I say “drive-by,” but it was really an assassination—they came looking for a specific guy and found him.  Neighbors gathered from blocks around to see what was going on, so not a common occurrence, to say the least.)

Comment #38: Mnemosyne  on  06/27  at  07:23 PM

It would be interesting to see singlehood statistics broken down by rural / urban and by levels of education and income. My impression is that urban, educated, professional women are more likely to accept singlehood (without its being the SPINSTERHOOD = DEATH painted by the mass media). Professionals often have to travel and move to be where the jobs are, and this breaks up many academic marriages or relationships.

Since I belong to this cohort, I’m boggled that the media / popular culture is still pushing attitudes more appropriate to 1908 than to 2008. Ladies’ boarding-houses, anyone?

Comment #39: sara  on  06/27  at  07:26 PM

is my family just weird? they almost never poke at me to get married. and never poked at me to get a boyfriend. and i can’t HAVE kids, but my mother and i fight about who i’m going to adopt if i ever get there (if we ever get there i guess. the guy and i just had our 4th anniversary. i guess we’ll get married eventually, if only to make an adoption easier)

i like living alone - i know the underwear on the floor is MINE, and when i get up all the milk is still there. i like living with the guy - he does housework smile

meh? i spent something like 3 years not even DATING. i was never really bothered by “singleness”, just sometimes lonliness when all my friends were dating.

Comment #40: denelian  on  06/27  at  08:29 PM

I have thought about this off and on: everyone should spend time living by themselves, first so that they know what they’re like when no one’s around, and second so they know what it’s like when they don’t have to accommodate another person in their intimate living space. But (and this may be a chicken or egg situation) people I’ve known who’ve lived a long time by themselves are inflexible if not downright weird—they couldn’t adjust to sharing a place with another human being.

Guys have some pressure to get married, too. The bar is so low for men that if you’re not married after a while, you must be either some sort of paste-eating loser or gay. (If people think you’re gay, then they’ll try to match you with their gay friends. Which is hard for a straight guy.) And nobody wants to be that 50 year old guy who suddenly remembers he forgot to get married and have kids. Because then you have to hang around the 30 year old women who look at you as Mr. Creepy. Or you import some ex-Soviet mail order bride. And if you have kids, everybody wonders why they spend so much time with their grandfather. Further, you’re eligible for Social Security while they’re still in high school. You wonder if you’re going to live to see their college graduation, much less grandchildren.

This may be envy, but single women to me seem better equipped to construct their own support network and social life. They take classes, they have book club, they go in together for symphony or theater seats, ballroom dancing, vacations, etc. Whereas guys go out drinking after a hard week’s work.

Some of the happiest women I knew had met societal expectation by getting married, then they really enjoyed their lives by getting divorced a short time later. These women never intend to remarry—they are free.

Comment #41: Hector B.  on  06/28  at  03:08 AM
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