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Sixty To Seventy Thousand Is The Loneliest Number

It’s highly likely that somewhere between sixty and seventy thousand people showed up in Washington, D.C. on September 12th to protest something or other, and feel very, very proud of whatever point they didn’t get around to making.  It’s likely, I think, that the estimate may be a slight lowball, and that 75 to 80,000 people showed up.

However, fuck me, because DC Metro figures show that the entire population of the American Southeast showed up to wave around Gadsden flags and magically suck the toxins out of the Earth. 

Just how big was the September 12 protest march? It’s hard to say. The estimate of “tens of thousands” is pretty conservative, given what I saw when I was down on the Hill that day. Talk of “millions,” on the other hand, seems quite outlandish.

One objective measure that could offer some perspective is the Metro ridership number for Saturday. Although they are often sparing with other information (such as their employees’ compensation), Metro posts the figures for daily rail riders (and for bus riders, with a month delay).

For September 12, there were 437,624 riders. That doesn’t come close to Inauguration Day’s 1.12 million riders, or even the 631,000 riders for July 4. But it still stacks up fairly well compared to this summer’s Saturdays, which average out at about 253,000.

Based on that alone, it seems like an estimate of something above 100,000 is probably safe, especially considering that not everyone would have gone by Metro.

Makes perfect sense.  Except that when you mix teabaggers and numbers, it’s like baking soda and vinegar, except that instead of foam you get lies.  An average of riders over the summer is artificially low.  Congress is in recess, the President is usually not doing much in D.C. and the affiliated lobbyists, lawyers and others go on vacation.  A better comparison would be the same day last year, during which 362,733 riders used the Metro, for a difference of 73,891 riders.  Which, if you assume every single one of them was a teabagger, would give you…slightly over 70,000.  Which is exactly what every reliable estimate pegged.

Now, if any of those extra riders was black, it’s almost guaranteed that they weren’t going to the 9/12 rally, as they’re black.  Chances are, they were going to the National Black Family Reunion, which I’m told thousands of long-legged mack daddies attended.  (This analysis also doesn’t account for the fact that this number reflects passenger entries and exits, which means that someone going both ways counts twice, which means that unless they all got rides back on their fleet of invisible buses, the likely number of teabag-related riders is somewhere south of 35,000, if even that.)

Tomorrow: the archangel Gabriel appears to Glenn Beck and informs him that if every person in America gives him ten dollars, he can draw the multitudes to Hot Springs, Arkansas, where absolutely nothing will happen.  Stay tuned!

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 05:29 PM • (31) Comments

The numbers seem kind of inconclusive.  The Saturday closest to Sept. 12th, 2008 (the 13th), shows 362,773 riders.  The first Saturday after Labor Day 2008 was Sept. 6th, when there were 202,528 riders.

Comment #1: DaveL  on  09/15  at  06:14 PM

If you look at the numbers for the following Saturdays, they’re all between 340,000 and 360,000, which would make that range the norm for mid to late September.

Comment #2: Jesse Taylor  on  09/15  at  06:27 PM

These lunatics are actually accusing the DC Fire Department - THE FLIPPING FIRE DEPARTMENT!!! - of being a part of their delusional massive liberal conspiracy to suppress their dissent.

Comment #3: DTG in STL  on  09/15  at  06:30 PM

35,000 or 100,000… whatever.  It’s still a frighteningly large number of lunatics.

Comment #4: BadKitty  on  09/15  at  06:31 PM

Sorry Dave L, but a quick interwebz search shows nasty nasty weather and no other big events on on September 6 2008:

http://www.fema.gov/emergency/reports/2008/nat090608.shtm

Tropical Storm Hanna will generate heavy rain and strong winds for the Northeast. Winds will be strongest near the coast, reaching tropical storm strength. High surf will occur along the beaches, along with rip currents and some erosion. Isolated tornadoes are possible all the way up to New Jersey. Rainfall totals will quickly reach into the 2-to-5-inch range, but parts of the Delaware Valley and the west side of Chesapeake Bay could see over 6 inches. Localized flash flooding and urban flooding is possible. A cold front moving into western New York, western Pennsylvania and West Virginia will generate showers over the remainder of the Northeast.

I certainly wouldn’t have gone out in it.

Plus Sept. 6 2008 had Maryland football away, DC United Away, and no Black Family reunion. Sept. 12 2009 had Maryland football at home (in a localish rivalry against a VA team), DC United home at RFK and the Black Family Reunion. Nationals baseball was away both years.

Comment #5: Babieca  on  09/15  at  06:40 PM

Everybody knows that Teabigots wouldn’t be caught dead on a subway, any subway. 

Driving up in a Hummer with a 4-foot suspension lift and Monster Mudders?  Sure thing…

Subway?  Where there might be some of those undeserving government leeches on board? And they might be sitting next to you? No way…

Comment #6: MikeEss  on  09/15  at  06:54 PM

Metro posts the figures for daily rail riders (and for bus riders, with a month delay).

Wait a minute, that 437K number is last year, right?  And we won’t have this years number until October 12th, right?

Comment #7: phylosopher  on  09/15  at  07:08 PM

No, they give numbers as they arrive:
http://www.wmata.com/rail/disruption_reports/viewReportArchive.cfm?Archive_Date=92009

Kinda neat, really.

Comment #8: Crissa  on  09/15  at  07:21 PM

Sorry Dave L, but a quick interwebz search shows nasty nasty weather and no other big events on on September 6 2008:

Ah! I was wondering where the big discrepancy was coming from.

Comment #9: DaveL  on  09/15  at  07:24 PM

Hot Springs? Damn, what have you got against Arkansas?

(actually, no, you dont need to start that list smile

Comment #10: firefall  on  09/15  at  07:29 PM

“These lunatics are actually accusing the DC Fire Department - THE FLIPPING FIRE DEPARTMENT!!! - of being a part of their delusional massive liberal conspiracy to suppress their dissent.”

To be fair, the DC Fire Department has been known to put out fires in neighborhoods reported to contain people who are here illegally, and as far as I know they have never once demanded proof of citizenship before saving a life, so ipso facto they are lying communist nazis planning to abort your grandmother.

Comment #11: antiope  on  09/15  at  07:46 PM

These people are anti-government programs. Surely a couple of them would have realized that riding public transportation to a protest against government programs would be hypocritical, right?

Comment #12: Tesla Dethray  on  09/15  at  07:51 PM

DC has more than 450,000 people who come into the city on a typical weekday. Anyone who lives in DC could have told you that Saturday did not see a marked increase in traffic or super-crowded metro cars.

On the other hand, stubborn belief in an outlandish lie is considered one of the best ways to piss off liberals, so I think conservatives are going to stick with their 1.5 million figure.

Comment #13: Tyro  on  09/15  at  08:44 PM

I don’t know about you lot, but I was in DC for UFP&J;‘s march against the Iraq occupation on September 24-25, 2005. 

My ASS if there were more teabaggers this last weekend than there were 4 years ago.  Unfortunately, the link posted to the Metro’s rider count upthread doesn’t have the numbers.

I would bet that the teabagger per capita attendance of crazy is far higher - and anyone in a liberal protest march knows the crazy can be up to your knees.

Comment #14: idiosynchronic  on  09/15  at  09:14 PM

Glenn Beck was speaking out of his ass again this morning on Fox & Friends, still refusing to accept that his little Klan Rally wasn’t nearly as successful as his coke-addled brain wants to believe it was:

Via TPM:

“We had a university, I think it’s University of—I don’t remember which university it is—um, look at the pictures. And you know, they can do body space and calculate—1.7 million, that crowd was estimated.”

“If you look at the pictures, university looked at it, did the body count… 1.7 million.”

I’m assuming that Beck knows what he’s talking about here, as I heard from some guy that he received his Bachelor of Something-or-other Degree from the extremely prestigious University of Wherever.

Comment #15: DTG in STL  on  09/15  at  09:51 PM

I think Beck’s prestigious University of Wherever may have been doing their extremely scientific body space analysis of that photo of the Million Man march if they came up 1.7 million.

Comment #16: BadKitty  on  09/15  at  11:01 PM

Not that I don’t mostly agree with ya, but there were some black tea-baggers visible in videos and pictures of the march. Not many, just a few. There’s one black tea bagger guy is this excellent vid… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

Comment #17: atheist  on  09/16  at  06:23 AM

As the Chair of Magical Mathematics at the University of Wherever I can confirm there were eleventy billion teabags at the Capitol. 

Frankly, the greater the evidence of the falsehood the more the wingnuts will believe it because counterevidence to them is merely evidence of conspiracy.  Just as fossil records are not evidence of evolution but little jokes left for us by God.

Comment #18: pennylane  on  09/16  at  07:46 AM

Correct me if I’m wrong, but is this the same group of people who were villifying the Million Man Marchers simply because they inflated their numbers?  I’m very lazy, so can someone maybe find out the actual numbers of the Million Man March versus this crap?

I love when these people get caught in their own stinky hypocritical bullshit.

Comment #19: speedbudget  on  09/16  at  09:02 AM

These idiots wouldn’t know what a crowded subway system looked like.  They never ride anything like that, save as a lark.  Any figures need to be compared with such epic events as ... RUSH HOUR (and I don’t mean the hour when Rush gets them all fired up to march, either).

BTW, according to this morning’s metro, the numbers on the mall were higher than just the teabaggers because of the National Black Family Reunion.

Comment #20: Ms Kate  on  09/16  at  09:59 AM

I don’t know about you lot, but I was in DC for UFP&J;’s march against the Iraq occupation on September 24-25, 2005. 

My ASS if there were more teabaggers this last weekend than there were 4 years ago.

I remember one could barely walk, it was so crowded. When it came time to start marching, it was time to hurry up and wait, as a buttload of people suddenly tried to walk down a road that could only fit like five people abreast.

Comment #21: atheist  on  09/16  at  10:00 AM

“If you look at the pictures, university looked at it, did the body count… 1.7 million.”

Except that that photo was taken in 1997, before the WWII memorial and the National Museum of the American Indian were built.

Comment #22: Ms Kate  on  09/16  at  10:04 AM

Wait, why are we using public transportation numbers to estimate a crowd full of people who probably think of public transportation as OMG TEH SOCIALIZMS!!1!!!1!!one!! (faint)

Ms Kate - that certainly qualifies as epic idiocy. Cue the teabaggers saying “well, it was built in the past week!”

And watch it when you knock Hot Springs, Jesse. It’s a pretty cool place.

Comment #23: Jeff  on  09/16  at  10:13 AM

Not that I don’t mostly agree with ya, but there were some black tea-baggers visible in videos and pictures of the march. Not many, just a few. There’s one black tea bagger guy is this excellent vid… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y

Alan Keyes Syndrome.

Comment #24: DTG in STL  on  09/16  at  10:23 AM

I saw lots and lots of motorcycles because Mike Ess is right, Teabigots don’t ride the Metro. You might have to sit with blacks and hispanics on the Metro and they just can’t bring themselves to do that. There were also more than the usual amount of tour buses.

But the simple fact that you could drive through the city or even get on the Metro at all is lost on these fantasy land dwellers. Those are two activities that were completely impossible on January 20th when there really were one million people on the National Mall. And they are too stupid to use photoshop and cut and paste in some more racists into a current photo of the National Mall. Using pictures without the WWII Memorial and the Museum of the American Indian is so bush league it’s almost sad.

Comment #25: DC Fem  on  09/16  at  10:40 AM

As another DC resident, Saturday seemed pretty normal. It would not be if the crowds reached even 200,000. When I went to the March for Women’s Lives, the crowds for that really did extend almost to 14th St. I lost two groups of friends because cell phones were short-circuiting from too many people trying to call at the same time.

Ditto the Iraq war march. And the Million Mom March. There’s an annual evangelical concert festival on the Mall that draws a good crowd.

And Metro ran a regular schedule on Saturday. No extra trains to accommodate the crowds. It even runs extra trains for the Marine Corps Marathon and the 10-Mile Army Run, so that tells you just how unstartling the whackjob march was.

Comment #26: louC  on  09/16  at  11:11 AM

If Teabaggers were weathermen, we’d all get several hundred inches of rain and snow each year.

If Teabaggers were mailmen, they would carry 500lb bags of junk mail every day

If Teabaggers go fishing, is the one that didn’t get away a trophy winner every time?

We should compile an entire list of things that get exaggerated and attribute them.  Send it around the internet, yeah!

Comment #27: Ms Kate  on  09/16  at  12:02 PM

I was listening to the traffic reports on XM radio for DC on Saturday am (I needed the know the weather and they alternate weather and traffic) and the reports were that traffic was normal for a Saturday.

I’m assuming that Beck knows what he’s talking about here, as I heard from some guy that he received his Bachelor of Something-or-other Degree from the extremely prestigious University of Wherever.

remember Bluto’s sweatshirt in “Animal House” that simply read “College”?  Same school.

Comment #28: Woodrowfan  on  09/16  at  01:07 PM

And Metro ran a regular schedule on Saturday. No extra trains to accommodate the crowds. It even runs extra trains for the Marine Corps Marathon and the 10-Mile Army Run, so that tells you just how unstartling the whackjob march was.

I bought up the Metro numbers on a wingnut blog.  I was told that there were lots and lots of vehicles parked miles from the venue, and people marched in.

I pointed out that this would involve a crowd who appeared mostly over 50, carrying banners and confederate flags, and according to their stories, they then backpacked their rubbish out…

Comment #29: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/16  at  01:11 PM

I bought up the Metro numbers on a wingnut blog.  I was told that there were lots and lots of vehicles parked miles from the venue, and people marched in.

of course, if there’s one thing DC has lots and lots of, it’s extra free (or inexpensive) parking near the Mall, or anywhere in the area.

Comment #30: Woodrowfan  on  09/16  at  01:15 PM

there were lots and lots of vehicles parked miles from the venue

Where, I wonder?

Not south of the Potomac, or their marching over bridges would have been noticed. Adams Morgan is pretty parked up. Georgetown? Nuh-uh.

That pretty much leaves the ghetto. Why do I doubt that white, middle-aged right-wingers would have left their cars untended, surrounded by poor black people?

Comment #31: Hector B.  on  09/17  at  01:04 AM
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