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I have a few things, none long enough for a proper post, so here's a compendium. I'm particularly pleased with the piece I have in the Guardian's CIF this morning on the Aaron Schock photo and the overall right wing obsession with masculinity that verges into camp.  A sample:

In 2011, most Americans get that the members of the Village People were not actually policemen and construction workers. Unfortunately, though, since that announcement wasn't made on "The 700 Club" with Pat Robertson, this kind of basic knowledge hasn't filtered into many corners of conservative America.

So, check it out.  Don't worry!  There are references to oily Spartan warriors galore.

Item #2 is Laura Miller's excellent defense of libraries in the face of unconscionable budget cuts.  People who claim that libraries are obsolete are telling us more about themselves than about libraries; I haven't walked into a library myself in the past decade that wasn't stuffed with people using its various services.  Even my sleepy local branch always has at least a dozen or more people hanging out at any point in time, and often way more during busy hours or when they've got children's storytelling.  I may be selfish, but seriously, I can't afford to buy all the books I read, particularly if I want to read them while they're still out in hardback.  And because there's a due date and a moral imperative to get the book back ASAP so someone else can enjoy it, you end up actually reading your books in a timely fashion when you get them from the library.  Some times when I buy books, the knowledge that they're always there can leave them to languish for months or years while I'm busy looking at something on Twitter.

But I was sad to see this, not because Miller is wrong, but because we as a society have put her in the spot of having to argue this:

Defenders of such cutbacks typically ask why, in the age of Google and e-reader devices, anybody needs libraries.

Let's set aside the obvious rejoinder that many citizens can't afford e-readers and, furthermore, can only access Google via a library computer.

We've really come to a place in our public discourse where the idea of a common good has been so eroded that we can't even defend libraries on those grounds.  Think about that.  We can't defend people wanting to better themselves through knowledge.  We suck. 

Instead of cutting library budgets, the federal government should be issuing large grants to the state to start charter programs where you can borrow library books on your e-readers.  I have no problem with e-readers, but this would dramatically improve their usability to the point where I might actually get one, since I'm sick of having to decide if it's worth it to haul a book onto the subway with me to pass the time, or if keeping track of it at my destination will be too  much work.  I can't imagine I'm alone in having concerns like this. 

My third item for today is picked up from Jill at Feministe.  There's a new journal for animal ethics, and if this is what they consider a well-reasoned enough piece for an inaugural article, they won't be long for this world:

Animal ethicists are calling for a new vocabulary about animals, shunning words such as “pets,” “wildlife,” and “vermin” as derogatory and even suggesting “animal” is a “term of abuse.”

Common language on fauna betrays an “anthropocentric bias” and impedes an understanding of our interaction with the non-human species sharing the planet, argue the editors of the first academic journal dedicated to animal ethics in their debut issue.

Instead of “pet,” the Journal of Animal Ethics suggests “companion animal.” Rather than “wildlife,” they are to be called “free-living.” “Differentiated beings” or “non-human animals” is preferred to simply “animals.”

Words such as “vermin,” “beasts” and “critters” are stricken completely, along with similes such as “sly as a fox,” “drunk as a skunk,” “eat like a pig,” “slippery as an eel,” “breeding like rabbits” and “stubborn as a mule.”

I'm generally skeptical of the idea we can censor words and the concepts will follow, which is why I got a real workout with the Slutwalk debate, particularly anyone who thinks as long as that word isn't used we can eradicate its meaning.  What actually happens is a process of euphemism.  Lots of people don't use "slut" because they think it's indecorous, but they believe in the concept (in fact, being caught up on "indecorous" makes it very likely you believe in the concept of promiscuity), and so they use euphemisms.  Concepts have a way of coming out in language.  People have the cause-and-effect relationship backwards here. I think there's an argument for avoiding certain slur words, but that's because they're mean-spirited. I know: quaint.

Which is why this is the stupidest shit I've ever read.  Also, self-contradictory---you can't say "animal", but you can say "companion animal"?  As I joked on Twitter, I'm all for retiring the word "pet" and have done so in my house to refer to my cats.  Instead, I refer to them as "shitbags", "assholes", "dumbasses", and "turd-filled money holes".  That is a new one, invented after discovering this week that Molly's mouth problems will set me back the sort of money that made my knees buckle a little when I saw the bill.

That's why I was also particularly incensed to see this shit and the inevitable holier-than-thou leftist preening in Feministe's comment thread of people trying to be all radical by denouncing the concept of owning pets.  The supposed ethicists here denounce an “anthropocentric bias”, but I can't think of anything more anthropocentric than conflating human desires and abilities with those of domesticated animals.  Let me put it this way: When I have a tooth that's rotting in my head and is really painful, I can pick myself up, go to the dentist, and will myself to sit in the chair so they can extract it.  Because I have foresight and know that I will feel better.  My cat, if she had her druthers, would never go into the vet's office again, which is why I have to deprive her of her freedom in order to get her tooth extracted.  Her inability to think this through is not her fault.  She is really stupid compared to me.  She is afraid to sit on the balcony because she doesn't believe the evidence before her that it can hold the weight of beings much larger than her.  Our relationship is fine the way it is.  If anything, she's the one getting the benefit out of it, because she can't make money to pay her own dental bills.  The problem with oppressing people in this way is that, unlike cats, they have functioning frontal lobes and you are depriving them of activities they have the brainspace to accomplish.  Big difference.

I also wrote about sex for the Good Men Project. I write about sexual politics a lot, but rarely about sex itself.  So that was surprisingly challenging.  Enjoy!

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:58 AM • (92) Comments

One unfortunate effect of the infusion of postmodern (I know, I know: contested term but I can’t think of a better one right now) thought into progressive circles is that progressives have a tendency to massively overestimate the degree to which you can re-engineer reality by re-engineering language. Yes, we conceptualize all of our experience through language, no that doesn’t mean that this experience is as malleable as some people like to think.

Too often the result of this line of thinking is that devising ever more rarefied forms of language policing becomes a substitute for all other forms of activism.

Comment #1: Nobody  on  05/12  at  10:15 AM

The whole library thing pisses me off to no end.  We have a phenomenal library system where I live, but in the last several years the budget has been cut so much that they’ve had to cut back drastically on hours and services, and then the local tax levy fails because I don’t even know why.  It isn’t like nobody uses the library; every branch I’ve ever gone to has been packed pretty much all the time.  Really, it’s like schools—everybody benefits when the most disadvantaged get access to those services, but nobody wants to pay for said services.  I really don’t understand people sometimes.

Comment #2: ks  on  05/12  at  10:24 AM

Which is why this is the stupidest shit I’ve ever read.

Agreed.  I am the world’s biggest bleeding heart when it comes to animals, and this kind of shit makes me crazy.  Treating animals ethically and humanely is a worthy cause, but this terminology nonsense hurts the movement and is just plain stupid.

Comment #3: Kristen from MA  on  05/12  at  10:29 AM

Say what you what, but every skunk I’ve come across has been shitfaced.

Comment #4: norbizness  on  05/12  at  10:43 AM

My apologizes to feces.

Comment #5: norbizness  on  05/12  at  10:44 AM

Amanda, long time lurker here. I don’t know if your cat’s teeth problem is FORLS, as mine was, but my cat had to have all his teeth removed at about age three. He was immediately much, much happier—I hadn’t realized how much ongoing pain he’d been in as we went through cleanings and extractions every six or eight months. If this is your situation, and if your vet agrees, it might be kinder to the cat to have the teeth extracted once and for all…

Comment #6: demoiselle  on  05/12  at  10:47 AM

the federal government should be issuing large grants to the state to start charter programs where you can borrow library books on your e-readers

Good news! Your public library system already has a program in place to permit electronic borrowing for some devices:  <a >NYPL Overdrive</a>.

More good news! Just yesterday it was announced that Amazon has reached an agreement that will permit owners to borrow ebooks through public libraries starting some time later this year. Isn’t it nice when your dream world has actually come through into reality? I’m totally stoked, as an already heavy library user, just to be looking forward to not actually having to lug the ton of bound books around.

Comment #7: Kfierce  on  05/12  at  10:50 AM

Most of her teeth are fine.  She just has bad gingivitis.  One tooth is really bad though.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/12  at  11:06 AM

Kfierce, you made my day.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  05/12  at  11:06 AM

RE:  Libraries - I almost exclusively use libraries for non-fiction.  While I can pass on my fiction to friends and acquaintances, I don’t know many who would accept my used eclectic information searches.

RE: Pets - The furry poop machine that lives with me is properly called “Stupid” due to her far below average cat intellect.  She is in fact, less intelligent than the majority of Glenn Beck viewers.  But, since ignorance is bliss, she’s a very happy kitty in spite of her politics.

Comment #10: cynickal  on  05/12  at  11:08 AM

I often have trouble finding a parking space at my local library, and they have lots of parking.  It is very busy and well-used.

Cuts to library funding are short-sighted and demonstrate a stupidity about priorities.

Comment #11: DBK  on  05/12  at  11:09 AM

How do you run a country which hates itself so much it wants itself to die?

Comment #12: Punditus Maximus  on  05/12  at  11:18 AM

Amanda, I’m so happy to be the bearer of good news. I’m all for the common good.

Comment #13: Kfierce  on  05/12  at  11:25 AM

I refer to my cat as my “friend”.  She is the smartest cat I’ve ever lived with, too.  Understand English.  I swear she could speak it, too, but she’s stubborn and won’t give me the satisfaction.

Comment #14: DBK  on  05/12  at  11:26 AM

Not that you don’t have plenty to do, but I would totally read an Amand Marcotte sex advice column.

Comment #15: dopus dei  on  05/12  at  11:38 AM

Amanda, your cat-friend is really lucky, then. It was horrible waiting for my kitty’s teeth to decay to the point where the vet would just take them all out. And when I saw how much better he felt afterwards, I felt really guilty for not pushing for full extraction earlier. Cats hide pain well, but when its gone it becomes really obvious.

Comment #16: demoiselle  on  05/12  at  11:46 AM

We’ve really come to a place in our public discourse where the idea of a common good has been so eroded that we can’t even defend libraries on those grounds. Think about that.  We can’t defend people wanting to better themselves through knowledge.  We suck.

When an ignorant voter base becomes the sine qua non for the success of one party in our two-party system, it’s inevitable that the political discourse will move in that direction.

In fact, we’re at the point where the GOP has internalised the bully’s celebration of ignorance. Take, for example, this recent GOP outrage over a library lecture fund using part of its annual funding to pay an author his (*gasp*) stated and carefully considered market-rate speaker’s fee:

Dean also singled out a $45,000 payment of Legacy money that was made last year to science fiction writer Neil Gaiman for a four-hour speaking appearance. Dean said that Gaiman, “who I hate,” was a “pencil-necked little weasel who stole $45,000 from the state of Minnesota.”

Gaiman responded, as would be expected, by taking the high road and introducing some humour into the situation. Dean took back the name-calling after (I kid you not) his mommy took him to task for it, but the anti-intellectual sentiment, in addition to the usual Republican politician’s misunderstanding of how both free markets and non-profit funding systems (not to mention theft) work, remains intact.

Kfierce beat me to the punch regarding NYPL Overdrive (and similar services in other library systems). Right now the selection of e-books is somewhat limited, but the Amazon system as well as the B&N borrowing system that comes with the Nook reader should open things up.

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The “pet” business is just plain nonsense. They make themselves look like nitwit anthropomorphisers, assuming that cats and dogs give a damn about what the strange smooth two-legged ones call them.

Furthermore, by limiting the term “differentiated being” to carbon-based life forms, they’re discriminating against life forms that are both non-human and non-carbon-based. No wonder that the Crystalline Entity from STNG was so angry with humans!

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The sex advice column was very funny. Not much news to me, but judging by recent posts I suspect that some of the dudebros who hang around here could benefit from reading it.

Comment #17: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  11:50 AM

In more right-wing fun, it seems that the Florida Legislature, in its rush to finally get around to banning bestiality, outlawed any sex with animals. How many members of their legislature are stockholders in Real Doll, Inc.?

Comment #18: 3letterjon  on  05/12  at  11:57 AM

Ebooks from libraries are a thing, kind of, but they’re not nearly as much of a thing as they could be, because capitalism.

Comment #19: preying mantis  on  05/12  at  12:07 PM

Amanda, it’s about the power of information as well, it’s too bad Republicans aren’t as public minded as the 19th Century Industrialists who needed a literate and trained workforce:

Historically, Mechanics’ Institutes were educational establishments formed to provide adult education, particularly in technical subjects, to working men. As such, they were often funded by local industrialists on the grounds that they would ultimately benefit from having more knowledgeable and skilled employees (such philanthropy was shown by, among others, Robert Stephenson, James Nasmyth, John Davis Barnett and Joseph Whitworth). The Mechanics’ Institutes were used as ‘libraries’ for the adult working class, and provided them with an alternative pastime to gambling and drinking in pubs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanics’_Institutes

Comment #20: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/12  at  12:07 PM

The furry poop machine that lives with me is properly called “Stupid” due to her far below average cat intellect.

We have two—Grumpy Old Bastard (aka Tigger and sometimes That Cat) and Zoe.  GOB is the husband’s cat from before we met and he is a territorial, bad tempered, little so and so.  He always has been.  Mr. S loves him though, so we’ve come to a truce over the years, where I feed and pet him and he pees on my stuff when he gets mad.  But he’s pretty old now and has slowed down quite a bit, although he hasn’t mellowed very much with age.  Zoe is our cat together and she is dumb as a box of rocks, but she’s also the sweetest, friendliest cat I’ve ever met.

Comment #21: ks  on  05/12  at  12:15 PM

The “pet” business is just plain nonsense. They make themselves look like nitwit anthropomorphisers, assuming that cats and dogs give a damn about what the strange smooth two-legged ones call them.

I don’t think anyone seriously believes that cats and dogs care what word is used on them, and yes, I agree that it can get silly fast when word policing is concerned.

However, they’re not talking only to us, the people who know animals have lives of their own, emotions, thoughts and desires.  They’re talking to people who think animals are toys, think it’s okay to just throw one away when you’re tired of it, think they don’t feel pain or their pain is irrelevant. 

When someone says “I own this dog” sometimes the next thing out of their mouths isn’t “so I’m responsible for feeding and caring for it and making decisions for it,” it’s, “I can beat it if I like and if it dies so what.”

Comment #22: oldfeminist  on  05/12  at  12:28 PM

My cat is smarter than a baby because he at least is potty trained. That doesn’t mean my cat is smart, it means babies are super dumb.

Comment #23: Entomologista  on  05/12  at  12:33 PM

Amanda…  Molly is smarter than you think!  Look how trained she has you!  She doesn’t have to work, she doesn’t have to worry about being the victim of a predator, and she’s got this large biped who will provide her with food, water, and grooming effectively on demand.

We humans are the dupes…

(The one who demands food from me at 3am:
http://www.sagarmatha.com/images/2008-US-CA-gremalkin0001.jpg )

Comment #24: James  on  05/12  at  12:36 PM

I’m convinced the eventual goal of animal rights activists is to eliminate all human-animal interaction—Amanda will just have to give up enslaving cats and settle for watching squirrels and pigeons from her window.

Comment #25: Hector B.  on  05/12  at  12:41 PM

Mr. S ...

You must not be from San Francisco…  (Sorry, my mind is in the gutter today.)

Comment #26: James  on  05/12  at  12:41 PM

They’re talking to people who think animals are toys, think it’s okay to just throw one away when you’re tired of it, think they don’t feel pain or their pain is irrelevant.

People who, no doubt, will be the group most inclined to listen to the nuance of what’s being said here and consider themselves and their own attitudes in that light, rather than writing the whole thing off as an example of oversensitivity among progressives—you know, the way even some people who’d otherwise be sympathetic to the idea are doing.

Comment #27: Aaron  on  05/12  at  12:46 PM

James has the right point I think re: animals. smile

I made a comment at the GMP (wow a lot of Pandagon hate over there) but what is up with the photo accompanying your article? Why is there a manicured nail photoshopped into it backwards? It was so awkward and annoying I ended up staring at it for several minutes.

Comment #28: siveambrai  on  05/12  at  12:47 PM

  When my dear departed Abbie had her bad teeth pulled she felt so much better she came out of the cat carrier ready for a fight.She weighed about five pounds at her most. I have a very smart very pushy little orange tabby who—-when you’re supine beneath her while she stomps all over you like an Italian peasant crushing grapes——has the facial expression of Mussolini, contemplating domination. It’s eitehr that, or FDR’s upthrust-jaw pose. My house is where the neighbor kids bring hurt animals so I have an assortment, ranging from a huge mountain of a cat named Fred who purrs and starts kneading if you so much as look at him to his sidekick Baby, who at over a year old is still an impossibly tiny—maybe four pounds——green-eyed calico with nickel-sized tiny snowy white paws and the prettiest face I’ve ever seen on a kitty. And if I dare recline or sit anywhere in the house,  they’re all over me, blanketing me in purrs.

Comment #29: ginmar  on  05/12  at  12:52 PM

Sometimes I call my cat “dumbass”, but mostly I use terms of affection.  She’s smart as hell and understands everything indoors, but outdoors she becomes a dope.  I have to chaperone her outdoor time because, when we got her from the shelter, she’d been four-paw declawed.  Indoors, I can tell her to do something and she’ll do it.  “If you’re gonna keep biting that plastic sleeve, just get off the desk now because I don’t need holes in my stuff.”  Boom.  She jumps off the desk.  Outdoors, I’ll tell her “There’s a robin!” or “There’s that chipmunk you chased the other day, the one you’ve been wanting to kill.  Look!  It’s laughing at you!” and she’ll just keep sniffing the dried up rabbit poop on the deck and never even look up.  And the chipmuink will keep making faces at her and laughing.

The dumbass.

I also use the term “dumbass” for some animal rights activists.

Comment #30: DBK  on  05/12  at  12:54 PM

From her window? Hector B., how dare you. How dare you argue that this house-building affectation of privileged humans, this laughable claim of some need for shelter from the elements, be permitted to interfere with the natural behaviors of any bird or non-human mammal.

Comment #31: Aaron  on  05/12  at  01:08 PM

Re libraries: I found out several months ago that my hometown public library was scheduled to be closed on May 1 because the city claimed it couldn’t afford to keep it open, and two separate tax levies that, if passed, would have funded the library failed at the polls.  Since then, the city has decided to keep the library open while it tries to figure out a possible way to keep it open, but there’s still a good chance that the library will still end up closing.  I found this situation to be really sad, not only principle, but because of personal memories I have of that library.  I spent innumerable hours there reading, doing school work, etc.

Anyway, in searching the web for news articles about my hometown library, I came upon this project relating to the history of the library: in 1971, after the library expanded and moved to its current location, the children’s librarian wrote to many cultural and political figures of the time and asked them to write back to the children of the city about why libraries are important.  Some did not/were not able to, but many others, most of whom you’d recognize, did.  Here’s Dr. Seuss’ reply.

And here’s the reply of someone who is obviously an un-American communist subversive.

Comment #32: Linnaeus  on  05/12  at  01:28 PM

Quick word about ebooks for libraries: libraries have to buy licenses from private companies which have the rights to the ebooks and the technology to download/distribute them.  Unfortunately, libraries can usually only buy the licenses for x number of “virtual copies” of an item.  So if I download the book, you can’t download it until my “checkout period” is over.  Then the file becomes disabled on my device, and the next person in line can get it.  I work for a library system that has this, and it seems like almost every “copy” of every ebook is unavailable, all the time.  Even though the technology would make it possible for everyone to have a copy (since there’s no physical scarcity), someone wants to make more money.  It’s very frustrating.

Comment #33: Jake  on  05/12  at  01:34 PM

[Instead, I refer to them as “shitbags”, “assholes”, “dumbasses”, and “turd-filled money holes”.]

That’s funny. My GF calls her much beloved cat “The Bee-yotch” and “Monster,” as in “You spilled the water bowl again on purpose didn’t you, you fucking bee-yotch?”  Or “Another crap? I just emptied the litter box, you fucking monster.”  Last night we fed her the white rice from our Chinese take-out in the hope she’ll get constipated!  Ah companion animals…such a joy.

Comment #34: Hornet  on  05/12  at  01:39 PM

You must not be from San Francisco…  (Sorry, my mind is in the gutter today.)

I have never been to San Francisco, but I just googled that and now I’m kind of tickled that I’ve been referring to the husband all over the internets by that name.  You kind of just made my day.

Comment #35: ks  on  05/12  at  01:40 PM

“You spilled the water bowl again on purpose didn’t you, you fucking bee-yotch?”

We solved that problem with our current dog by training him to use a Lixit bottle when he was a puppy in his crate. Wouldn’t it work with cats?

Comment #36: Hector B.  on  05/12  at  01:44 PM

Regarding the Good Man Project: until sex education introduces a lab component, I’m hoping someone will develop a synthetic vulva (with audio feedback) for cunnilingus training. Different response patterns would be programmed in, for variety.

Comment #37: Hector B.  on  05/12  at  01:47 PM

Thanks for that, Linnaeus. The replies of both Dr. Seuss and that dirty union leader from Hollywood (ghostwritten though it was) made me smile.

One of the heartening things I see time and time again in re: library closings is that, despite the worst efforts of Republican city councilors to starve them of funds, cities as a whole really make an effort to do what’s happening in your community and try to keep ian endangered branch open as long as possible. I suspect that this is because municipal politicians really don’t want to anger two groups of library users: senior citizens and stay-at-home moms.

Comment #38: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  01:49 PM

What Jake says about e-books is true. Libraries and publishers and distributers have yet to figure out how thes stuff is going to work. Out in meatspace, I’m a librarian, and we’re getting an e-reader service sometime this summer that’s going to wrok exactly the same way—if you’ve checked out a “copy” of an e-book, no one else can read it until it’s returned. So, if we want multiple people to have access to it, we have to buy multiple copies, and the prices aren’t much cheaper than physical books. On top of that, some publishers are talking about setting an “expiration date” for their e-books on the assumption that a real book would fall apart after so many circulations and we’d have to buy another copy (They’ve picked something like 27, although I have plenty of books that have circualted over a hundred times and are just fine. Unless it’s a James Patterson book. Those things fall apart after about three uses).

As far as budgeting goes, our city has decided to contract the library’s management services to an outside, private company. If you live in California, or follow this stuff in the pages of the ALA or Publishers Weekly, you might know who I’m talking about (they started a bit of a stir when the NYT ran a small profile on them). Basically, the city pays them a lump sum to run the library, and whatever doesn’t get spent, they keep. You can imagine how well this free market approach works. Bills we need to pay (for internet services, magazine subscriptions, etc) regularly get neglected. We’re constantly understaffed and positions seem to disappear whenever anyone quits. One of our bosses is obsessed with the idea of turning librares into bookstores (no dewey system, no reference, no cataloger or localized collection development, books delivered by RFD systems, and self checkout. He’s actually rhapsodized about the idea of running an entire library with just a couple of teenage pages to reshelve the books). They’re officially anti-union, and regularly dismiss nearly everyone at a library when they take over. They even have some weird way of counting pay periods so they have fewer “weeks” during a calendar year, which means they can pay us fewer benefits. It’s a free-market paradise!

Thankfully the people I work with (the actual librarians) are phenomenally dedicated and have made it one of the best libraries in the area, but that has nothing to do with out business model. Libraries are not businesses!

Comment #39: Egnu Cledge  on  05/12  at  01:57 PM

I love to read; I do not have room for, nor desire to dust, all the books I read. So I use the library like a rented mule. (A mule I do not own; he is not my companion animal.) (Sorry.) I can request books online, I get alerts when they’re in and to be picked up, and all sorts of modern conveniences abound. Plus, I find I am much more timid in book choices when I have to buy them. Borrowing them frees me to expand my reading horizon vastly. My local library has a consortium of other county libraries to shore up resources, and services have not been cut back in the past few years. Yay.

Because I agree with Amanda: that we have to defend the free access to information (and are losing the battle) means we suck.

Comment #40: benvolio  on  05/12  at  01:57 PM

So, if we want multiple people to have access to it, we have to buy multiple copies, and the prices aren’t much cheaper than physical books.

That’s the real problem: publishing is another hidebound (sorry) industry that can’t break out of its physical goods business model.

If publishers made the prices cheaper and more reflective of a virtual good libraries would buy more copies and the publishers end up with the same if not more revenue.

From what I’ve read and heard, this has less to do with greed on the publishers’ part than inertia and a degree of foolish Luddism. Although when Newscorp is involved, greed can’t be far behind:

On top of that, some publishers are talking about setting an “expiration date” for their e-books on the assumption that a real book would fall apart after so many circulations and we’d have to buy another copy

HarperCollins proposed this particular shite sandwich. You have to wonder what cave they’ve been living in for the past 20 years, to see them assuming that purchasers of digital products (especially institutional purchasers) will happily pay cash for products that are deliberately and permanently hobbled.

Comment #41: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  02:22 PM

My local library rents e-books and I have to say it is the shit.

Comment #42: Jelloink  on  05/12  at  02:28 PM

Rents? I meant LENDS.

Comment #43: Jelloink  on  05/12  at  02:28 PM

Rents? I meant LENDS.

Give municipal GOP politicians time, Jelloink. Give them time…

Comment #44: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  02:39 PM

Man, that Feministe thread and the follow-up are a trip. I don’t know what I’m enjoying more, the snark or the butthurt “I’m quitting forever” comments. I’m also loving the whole “well if you must eat animals on doctor’s orders, you should only eat the one thing that you have to and in as minimal quantities as possible and I guess then maybe it’s ok and you aren’t altogether evil!” thing. Oh, oh, and let’s not forget the sanctimonious condescension expressed in things like “well, if you only knew all the facts, like I do, then you’d surely chose morals over turkey, like I did!” Yes, because people in social justice communities are usually so ignorant about food production.

Being around social justice folks all the time, I know quite a few vegetarians and vegans in real life. And they are quite nuanced, thoughtful people who always share info when asked but never preach and never act like they are the only ones who know all the facts and everyone else is an ignoramus not fit to make diet choices. They don’t engage in purity olympics and just go by the “do what you can” rule. So whenever I see people on the internets complain about unpleasant vegan encounters I’m the first to jump in and call Strawvegan. But those two threads at Feministe are full of them! It’s like finding a real live unicorn!

Comment #45: elena  on  05/12  at  02:42 PM

“Common language on fauna betrays an “anthropocentric bias” and impedes an understanding of our interaction with the non-human species sharing the planet”

George Carlin would’ve killed these people. Not literally, but, you know, verbally.

Comment #46: Mark  on  05/12  at  02:44 PM

“Turd-filled money holes”  run my life too.  I work to buy things for them, clean their shit daily, and feed them three times a day which means i can’t go out and about for more than 6 hours at a time.  And then, Dexter has the nerve to come to me with his narrow urethra and ask for help!  $2000 to get my fat-kitty to pee again so that i can have the pleasure of cleaning it up for him.  He won’t even play with toys that he can’t destroy and devour within 5 minutes.  What an ass. 
And the other one? Don’t even get me started.  If Dexter is fat-kitty, Bells is dumb-kitty.  Her teeny stroked-out brain makes her head wobble around.  Had to sit around with her for 5 days while her brain rewired after a stroke.  Damn cats!  And she, like the good little-sis to Dexter that she is, has followed his lead and refuses to drink water by itself.  So now i have to mix water in to their thrice daily feeding.
Then one of them stops shitting!  Now i gotta add pumpkin to their food once a day. 
I thought cats would be an easy substitute for the kids i don’t want.  Turns out they are worse.  At least kids shit and piss without too much prodding (they’re gonna shit somewhere).  My cats are the most co-dependent beings on the planet.  Won’t even go to sleep without being carried to the bed and put under the covers like a scared child.

The nerve of these dumb-shits!!

Comment #47: Buster707  on  05/12  at  02:46 PM

@45 elena

I truly do not know how Jill continues to put up with this. It seems like every post she’s put up in the last few weeks has erupted into the most mean-spirited, holier-than-thou attacks over the most petty issues. Even the post she put up about how mean everyone’s gotten!

Comment #48: Egnu Cledge  on  05/12  at  02:48 PM

...I’m hoping someone will develop a synthetic vulva (with audio feedback) for cunnilingus training.

Y’know, Hector B., considering the synthetic vulvae of which I’m currently aware, I can’t think of many things more likely to put me off the idea of cunnilingus entirely than somebody handing me one and telling me to lick it. Especially if I was fourteen at the time.

Come to think about it, are you also in favor of dildos for blowjob training? I mean, isn’t that sort of thing what first sexual partners are pretty much for?

Comment #49: Aaron  on  05/12  at  02:53 PM

#48 Egnu - That’s kind of why I don’t read Feministe anymore.  I just got sick of the comment threads turning into a bunch of Holier than thou, or rather, more Feminist than thou bullshit.  I like Jill’s stuff, but the commentariat there makes me crazy.

In our house cats are referred to “Lord and Master” (regardless of gender), Fur-bearing Couch Vultures, Fuzzy Little Vomit Cannons, and Shit Factories.  All of this, of course, when they aren’t being cuddled and called the “Prettiest of all Pretty Black (orange/silver/whatever) Cats!  Yes, you are!  Mommy’s, wonderful Boy/Girl!”

They’ve got us right where they want us.

One of our cats is this big orange (neutered) tom named The Man.  Long story.  He is not the sharpest kitty crayon in the box, but when my husband calls him stupid, my standard response on Man’s behalf is, “Smart enough to get adopted by YOUUUUU!”  Which granted, does not take much by way of smarts.

Comment #50: GeekGirlsRule  on  05/12  at  03:13 PM

I just got sick of the comment threads turning into a bunch of Holier than thou, or rather, more Feminist than thou bullshit.

Heh. Sounds like it’s the mirror image of Shakesville—everything reversed, but the same off-putting result. I feel badly for Jill, though. It sounds like she’s running the site reasonably, and just attracted a critical mass of holier-than-thou jerks in the comments section.

Comment #51: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  03:56 PM

Jill is a saint. Granted, she did not use the best of examples in the “everyone is too mean” thread, so that led to an outbreak of accusations as well. But people quitting feministe over some gentle snark about silly language usage around animals? People demanding that Jill put a stop to ablest vegan attacks on their dietary requirements? Strawvegans coming to life to accuse people of killing animals for pleasure? People accusing strawvegans of claiming that they kill puppies for fun? It never ceases to amaze me what a snake pit that comment section is. And there are tons of good commenters there, it just all gets lost in the general We Eat Our Own vibe.

Comment #52: elena  on  05/12  at  03:58 PM

Agree times a thousand on the library issue.  They are such important things to society, any society, no matter what.  Knowledge is power, books are awesome, etc etc.  Not to mention, as you said, computer access for those who can’t afford computers.  That right there should show that they aren’t some ancient relic.  But the conservatives sure would love that, wouldn’t they?  Get people as unlearned as possible so they can be more easily screwed over.

Comment #53: alicefairy  on  05/12  at  03:59 PM

Free market fundamentalists don’t understand libraries because they don’t fit into their concept of profit uber alles. Wingnuts don’t like libraries because they’re places of radical intellectual freedom and librarians take that mission very seriously. I remember during the 1980s when it seemed like practically every public library system in the countries was in dire financial straits; considering that they’ve acquired just that much more importance as internet access points since then, the chance that such a crisis could happen again is just that much scarier.

Comment #54: BrianX  on  05/12  at  04:03 PM

isn’t that sort of thing what first sexual partners are pretty much for?

Judging from Amanda’s essay, sadly few guys developed proficient sexing skills with their first sexual partners. Or else, her women correspondents were the guys’ first sexual partners.

Comment #55: Hector B.  on  05/12  at  04:11 PM

Gracchus, #38:

Thanks for that, Linnaeus. The replies of both Dr. Seuss and that dirty union leader from Hollywood (ghostwritten though it was) made me smile.

One of the heartening things I see time and time again in re: library closings is that, despite the worst efforts of Republican city councilors to starve them of funds, cities as a whole really make an effort to do what’s happening in your community and try to keep ian endangered branch open as long as possible. I suspect that this is because municipal politicians really don’t want to anger two groups of library users: senior citizens and stay-at-home moms.

Glad you liked them, Gracchus, though it appears on my browser that the specific links to the Dr. Seuss and Reagan letters are broken.  Folks can still go to the first page that I linked to, see a list of the letters, and click on the one they want to see.

It is heartening to see that my hometown’s council is at least pausing to think a little before shutting down the the library.  That might still happen, but I know a lot of people got energized by this issue and made a case for the library’s continued operation.  I’m sure that had an effect on the mayor and council.

Comment #56: Linnaeus  on  05/12  at  04:15 PM

I’d also like to make a note of someone in the Pharyngula dungeon named Dreadnought, who PZ plonked after he started ranting obsessively about the inherent superiority of ebook readers. It was a clinic in the fallacies inherent in pure-play technophilia—the thrust of his argument seemed to be that everything worth reading would be digitized eventually, so there’s no particular need for warehouses of tree corpses. The concept of “archival” seemed lost on him.

I gotta be honest… I’m not a fan of ebook readers. I think they serve their purpose, inasmuch as a) printing out copies of Gutenberg books and the like is really expensive and it’s kind of hard to bring a bookshelf on the subway. But all you really have to do is look at the experience of broadcast radio to show just how unlikely the demise of any specific medium really is—optical discs will still exist as long as people need to back up data or want their own copies of a movie or record without having to go through another party to get it, videotape will exist as long as there are old movies that still haven’t been put on DVD, and film and vinyl will continue to exist as long as optical and magnetic media are too delicate to count on as archival media. Even allegedly “obsolete” media still find their place in the greater world, occasionally transforming into something else in the process (i.e. telegram -> email). Ebook readers are nice toys, but good luck trying to get your Nook to work in 2050 when you’ve got a hankering for an old Stephen King novel. You’ll have much better luck at a bookstore or library.

I freely admit I don’t use libraries much anymore, but I did obsessively as a kid, as well as a period of several years when I had no high-speed internet access at home. They aren’t just warehouses of tree corpses; they’re also community centers, communication hubs, fact-finding agencies, and defenders of our right to learn whatever the fuck we want.

Comment #57: BrianX  on  05/12  at  04:17 PM

I hereby award Hector B. his very own shiny-new Internet for:

“Regarding the Good Man Project: until sex education introduces a lab component, I’m hoping someone will develop a synthetic vulva (with audio feedback) for cunnilingus training. Different response patterns would be programmed in, for variety.”  (37)

I LOL’ed!

Re companion critters - I see Oldfeminist’s point (22), that changing some of the language we use to describe animals might be intended to have an effect on attitudes so abhorrent to most of us here that we can’t easily imagine them.  But Aaron’s (27) rejoinder makes me realize that on the whole, Amanda’s right.  (For what it’s worth, I think of my cats as owning me, not the other way around.)

Libraries.  Man, libraries rock.  If I ever win Powerball, I’m giving a gazillion dollars to public libraries across the country.

Comment #58: DawnDarc  on  05/12  at  04:33 PM

If publishers made the prices cheaper and more reflective of a virtual good libraries would buy more copies and the publishers end up with the same if not more revenue.

Libraries have always paid more for materials than the average consumer.  It was a deal struck between content providers and the public’s desire for free-ish information, where content providers agreed to take an overall hit in sales and libraries agreed to pay more.  Frankly, without that deal, libraries would stand empty.  Content providers would be well within their rights to refuse to sell to libraries or to sue the shit out of them for providing their products for free.

Even though the technology would make it possible for everyone to have a copy (since there’s no physical scarcity), someone wants to make more money.

Someone (publishers) wants to not go out of business and many people (writers) want to be paid for their work (and writers make all of their money from royalties off each sale).  Offering unlimited ebooks for the cost of (what?) buying a single copy (?) means that publishers go under, writers can no longer make a living from writing, and none of us continue to benefit from the historically unprecedented release of new books.  Additionally, publishers count themselves lucky if they manage a 3 percent profit in any given year, and 9 out of 10 books that get released don’t turn a profit.  They don’t have a lot of room for error to fuck around with offering books for a fraction of what they’re worth.

I’m not trying to be an apologist for all the shit publishers try to pull (such as the Harpers-Collins fiasco), but it’s hardly the worst thing ever to ask people who are paying nothing for content to have to wait a few weeks (or even months).  I’m an avid library user since I can’t afford to buy new, and being patient is a small price to pay for free books and movies.

Comment #59: keshmeshi  on  05/12  at  04:34 PM

I believe that my library is planning on expanding. We are just about to get a brand new Y here in the PNW mostly through big money donations and from the rumors I heard both the Sheriff’s office and the library are both also being expanded with that moolah. They did some hours cutting at other branches (Sundays mostly) but I mostly order books, movies, and music online and pick it up at my branch. The problem though is it’s always freaking packed and there’s not even street parking most of the time. But thems the breaks sometimes. Fingers crossed we get expanded. We also already have overdrive and while it works with most e-readers the Kindle is getting on board by the end of the year. Since I read every night before I sleep this will be great because my book expenses have actually increased since I bought my kindle since I’m readying so much more - well that and I bought out 2 closing Borders stores manga sections.

On the PETA thing - they are just talking themselves right into obscurity. Who will take them seriously now? Certainly not my little arsehole who’s decided that five thirty in the morning is a perfect time for me to get up and feed him so he can look at the food, look at me, and meow like he’s asking ‘what’s this crap, woman?’ Frigging little poop machine won’t eat without a little cream in his bowl and them goes and has diarrhea in his box. Lovely. But you know I’ve been with the little bugger for more than 16 years and I just can’t imagine life without his little bastard self. He’s gone deaf so that means he yells at the top of his lungs all the freaking time and I have to keep moving his litterbox cause he decides he doesn’t like it where it is. I have to change his food brand every couple of weeks and he will only drink water out of a running faucet. But he makes me happy and that’s what counts and he’s a good PET!

Comment #60: Amalink  on  05/12  at  04:37 PM

Keshmeshi:

Although I agree the prices are horribly inflated most of the time, there’s much to be said for “library binding”. It’d be nice if the publishers didn’t gouge just for a heavy-duty cover (which ideally shouldn’t be much more expensive than a regular hardcover, maybe $5 at absolute most) but those are the breaks. Content providers tend to lean towards being assholes…

Comment #61: BrianX  on  05/12  at  04:41 PM

Of all the absurdity in those Feministe comments, the one that stuck out was, “no MAN would ever call himself a CAT DAD.”

Not to be all Not My Nigel, by my Nigel has proudly rechristened himself Kitty Papa, and he’ll tell anyone who’ll listen. Once those toxoplasmosis parasites are firmly lodged in your brain, gender no longer matters.

Comment #62: Well, what?  on  05/12  at  04:43 PM

I’m convinced the eventual goal of animal rights activists is to eliminate all human-animal interaction—Amanda will just have to give up enslaving cats and settle for watching squirrels and pigeons from her window.

And thus oppressing them by imposing her own observer wave collapse over their probability position functions?

Comment #63: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/12  at  04:56 PM

Content providers would be well within their rights to refuse to sell to libraries or to sue the shit out of them for providing their products for free.

That’s not what I’m talking about, though. I have no problem with ethically imposed artificial scarcity for certain virtual goods (in some cases, like electronic money, it’s inherent to the good). I’m also not arguing that a library should get unlimited copies of an e-book to hand out willy-nilly.

What I have a problem with is a publisher charging a library the same price (premium or otherwise) for a copy of an e-book book that it does for a physical copy of the same book. It’s stupid and short-sighted and insulting on the part of the publisher, simultaneously denying the library a chance to reduce hold times and denying themselves an opportunity for increased revenue.

I also have a problem with poorly implemented DRM (which covers most DRM), but that’s a separate techie issue.

Comment #64: Gracchus.  on  05/12  at  04:56 PM

Heh.  No cat personally at the moment because I’m renting, but the gf’s cat just loves me.  I know how to scritch just right.

The gf keeps yelling at me for calling him “Rodent” to his face, though, and she’s going to regret me persuading her to plant catnip, oh yes…

Comment #65: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/12  at  05:01 PM

Ajnd I’ll refrain from commenting on libraries, save to push this video once again.

Comment #66: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/12  at  05:04 PM

#62 Well,what?  My husband is also a proud Cat Dad.  His particular kitty, the silver menace, follows him around like a puppy, yelling at the top of her fool lungs.  Sometimes I provided translation:

“Dad! Dad! Dad! Dad! Daaaaaaaaad! Dad! Dad!”

Comment #67: GeekGirlsRule  on  05/12  at  05:10 PM

It hurts my head to read some of the dissenting comments on the Salon article.  The issue of digitized materials was brought up, but who do these people think digitizes the material and makes it searchable?  And do these people think that once the material is digitized it will just be thrown out? At my library, we started a huge digitization project.  We have all sorts of historic photographs and german newspapers from the turn of the century.  Digitizing, coding and cataloging the material will make it easier for people all over the country to find it on our website, but why would we not make the effort to preserve the actual material.  And I agree with Laura Miller that it is a quiet thrill handling these materials.  I just cataloged a German art magazine that ran from the late 1800’s until 1944.  You could see the evolution from Art Nouveau to designs that were used as propaganda for the third reich and IT WAS SO COOL! </nerding out>

Comment #68: kitten parade  on  05/12  at  05:33 PM

On Proxima Centauri IV, an expedition is sent out to observe Earth for intelligent life. After three years, the probe returns to Proxima Centauri, and the captain makes a report to the Chief Centaur.

“There are two intelligent races on Planet Earth,” he said. “The Human Race, as they call themselves, are the Slave Race.”

“The master race are the Cats.”

Comment #69: Hairhead  on  05/12  at  05:35 PM

Y’know, Hector B., considering the synthetic vulvae of which I’m currently aware, I can’t think of many things more likely to put me off the idea of cunnilingus entirely than somebody handing me one and telling me to lick it. Especially if I was fourteen at the time.

Come to think about it, are you also in favor of dildos for blowjob training? I mean, isn’t that sort of thing what first sexual partners are pretty much for?

Comment #49: Aaron

Toys in Babeland, now known as Babeland, had cunnilingus classes.  They used mangos.

Comment #70: cynickal  on  05/12  at  05:58 PM

Toys in Babeland, now known as Babeland, had cunnilingus classes.  They used mangos.

And I’d like to complain.  Not only was I unpleasantly surprised by the taste of the real thing, ruining sex with women for me forever, I now get strangely aroused by cans of fruit salad.

Pro Tip - take the lids off completely first.

Comment #71: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/12  at  06:18 PM

To be fair, I don’t know how well a mango works for that particular purpose, but I can’t imagine it to be as offputting as either a) a male masturbation toy, or b) a male masturbation toy redesigned along the lines of a CPR dummy.

Comment #72: Aaron  on  05/12  at  06:20 PM

What bugs me about libraries in America is that the country which is almost literally burning down its community libraries is capable of doing this...

Comment #73: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  05/12  at  06:47 PM

Piator, the Mansueto Library is for a small group of elites who don’t need to be shielded from book-learning. If ordinary citizens were to have access to books, they might start to get ideas.

Comment #74: Maureen  on  05/12  at  10:04 PM

“If God did not intend man to eat pussy, why did He make it look like a taco?”

There’s also the old joke about the Edsel failing because the grill looked like a vulva (and also one that Real Women Don’t Drive Volvos, although that had to do with the Mars symbol they used to sport).

Comment #75: bad Jim  on  05/13  at  12:16 AM

kitten parade - clearly it’s magic!

re: “the obvious rejoinder that many citizens…can only access Google via a library computer”

As I tend to shout loudly whenever the topic of cuts to libraries comes up, in this day and age THIS ALSO MEANS THAT MANY CITIZENS CANNOT AFFORD ACCESS TO JOB APPLICATIONS much less the tools needed to type up a resume.

I’m beginning to believe this is a feature, not a bug.

Comment #76: jennygadget  on  05/13  at  02:19 AM

So, maybe I’m not completely absorbing your point, but would you say that encouraging and accepting the use of terms like African-American and looking for substitutes for descriptors like ‘crazy’ for the mentally challenged is stupid and worthless, that it doesn’t at all help along the long difficult process of abetting society in getting over its history of stigmatizing people through false and/or otherwise destructive stereotypes?

I find it remarkably narrow and shortsighted and unnecessarily mean-spirited and spiteful that you call it “this shit” and “inevitable holier-than-thou leftist preening” to submit the possibility that maybe thinking in different terms can begin to help people willing to change their understanding and attitudes toward the treatment of animals, toward a greater acceptance of their deserved dignity.

From years of admiringly reading with gratitude your posts, I’d say this is one of those times you get on a pet peeve-type of rant regarding one of your favorite target topics such as woo medicine, vaccinations, and animal rights, upon which you heap no end of abuse, rather assuming greater wisdom and intelligence for yourself about subjects you have strong opinions about but little to no expertise, and you become more like writers and thinkers you usually vehemently disagree with and accuse more or less of high-handedness and cluelessness.

I could be wrong, of course.  I often am.  But it seems you might’ve absorbed more west Texan fundamentalist intolerance than you’ve realized.  On topics like this, I find you very much like Maureen Dowd is all the time, unreadable and unworthy of being taken seriously.  Maybe your more cultish admirers can continue to tolerate your harmful way-over-the-top venom on such topics, but I no longer can.

Comment #77: News Nag  on  05/13  at  02:26 AM

Thank you for sharing, News Nag.

Comment #78: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  05/13  at  02:35 AM

Aaron, you worry too much about what people might think of progressives, that we’re maybe oversensitive.  Uh, that makes you way oversensitive, Aaron.  You have to stand up and say what you believe, and let the people who get it get it.  The people who won’t get it will never get it, and you’ll never have any credibility with them anyway, no matter how moderate you are.  Attitudinal changes over time crowd those people into a corner, and they become the minority.  I think Amanda is just embarassed to be associated with animal rights people, and not because what they do is ineffective.

Comment #79: News Nag  on  05/13  at  02:37 AM

I’d say this is one of those times you get on a pet peeve-type of rant regarding one of your favorite target topics such as woo medicine, vaccinations, and animal rights

See what you just did? You just implicitly said that woo medicine and (anti-)vaccinators deserve to be taken as seriously as animal rights. And you wonder why people roll their eyes.

Comment #80: felagund  on  05/13  at  07:32 AM

The last time I used a library regularly was in 2006-2007.  I was on a long term travel assignment for work in Little Rock.  They have a great music festival in May and decent farmer’s markets downtown and in N. LR, but not really much that a woman is going to be comfortable doing 1) alone, 2) in the evenings, 3) every evening for nearly a year, 4) when she knows almost no one in the entire city.  I read a lot - both from the library and buying for when I was going to read on the plane home for visits.  I donated a ton of books when I left (okay, more like 3-4 paper grocery bags).

Comment #81: helen w. h.  on  05/13  at  09:21 AM

And I’d like to complain.  Not only was I unpleasantly surprised by the taste of the real thing, ruining sex with women for me forever, I now get strangely aroused by cans of fruit salad.

Comment #71: Phoenician in a time of Romans

You get mangos in your fruit salad?!
DAMN YOU KIWIS AND YOUR PROGRESSIVE WAYS!!

Comment #82: cynickal  on  05/13  at  11:24 AM

Piator, the Mansueto Library is for a small group of elites who don’t need to be shielded from book-learning. If ordinary citizens were to have access to books, they might start to get ideas.
Comment #74: Maureen on 05/12 at 10:04 PM

The most dangerous Black person in America is one with a library card . 

Paraphrased, and quoted by Brother Mouzone on The Wire, but it’s older than that, just can’t seem to find the source.

Comment #83: oldfeminist  on  05/13  at  11:28 AM

Comment #77: News Nag

looking for substitutes for descriptors like ‘crazy’ for the mentally challenged is stupid and worthless, that it doesn’t at all help along the long difficult process of abetting society in getting over its history of stigmatizing people through false and/or otherwise destructive stereotypes?

Pssst- our blog host and comment consensus say that it is stupid, worthless, trolling, harmful, hurtful, mean, controlling; worse boring, and the most grievous sin: humorless, to challenge destructive stereotypes about mentally disabled persons.

At least that’s what they tell me, an autistic person.

Comment #84: R.T.  on  05/13  at  12:34 PM

There’s a big push in the (conservative) town where most of my maternal family lives to stop most of the funding for the library and have it staffed entirely by volunteers.  They haven’t quite managed that, but they’ve slashed funding so much that my aunt, who is a librarian there, is doing the work of three people and still is nervous about her job prospects.

I admit that I am not, currently, a regular library user.  But when we had no internet access at home and I was looking for work?  At the library every day to apply for jobs online and print off resumes.  Not to mention that the library was my saving grace in the inbred, hidebound, close minded little town where I spent the miserable years of middle school.  Our libraries here have computer classes for seniors and recent immigrants; they host basic job search trainings; they have story hours; they have meeting rooms that you can use for either free or for a nominal fee; they host book clubs and teen movie nights during the summer. 

This whole war on education and libraries makes me furious and confused and sad.

Comment #85: Karinna A.  on  05/13  at  12:48 PM

At least that’s what they tell me, an autistic person.

Comment #84: R.T.

We tell the non-autistic people that as well.  Something about not really buying into the Oppression Olympics. 
Also, too we don’t go over to autistic support websites and derail with commentary about feminism.

Comment #86: cynickal  on  05/13  at  02:30 PM

Not playing oppression olympics, it’s all about anti-oppression in all it’s forms.

Seriously how can people who are feminist, anti-racist, pro-LGBT, and generally progressive exclude other outgroups? Does no-one think about intersectionality and that there is no platonic woman, sexual minority, or person of color? Does being a sexual minority too make one welcome here or just too freaky to deal with considering I am both also physically and mentally disabled, poor, and atheist? Not pure enough for you?

Let me here your excuses for bigotry and denial of my being.

Comment #87: R.T.  on  05/13  at  04:31 PM

Wanted to add: I made a mistake by using the word “hear” even if misspelling it.

Comment #88: R.T.  on  05/13  at  05:36 PM

The use of all words is oppressive. Just saying the word “use,” for example, I’ve oppressed every person in a coma and many dead people as well. Don’t even get me started on “say” in a world of mouth injuries and muteness or aphasia.

Perfect language policing is the cure for all ills. Obviously.

Comment #89: Well, what?  on  05/13  at  05:50 PM

Since when is crazy specifically a pejorative?

Comment #90: scrumby  on  05/13  at  07:52 PM

Well, what?

Since you’re one of my #1 fans I guess you deserve an answer:

Until the dead are a part of society by dint of living in it, they can’t be discriminated against, like how the aliens of alpha-centauri can’t be discriminated against. Besides it’d be arrogant to assume what’s best for them by us without their input.

On a more serious note I really don’t get your and others problem of criticizing the way language is employed, because it is language, when it is just like criticism of art and media. They all consist of a shared set of symbols which attempt to convey messages between people and analyses and reaction to the messages contained within these things are as legitimate for one as another.

I also have to wonder if “language policing” is so bad, what do people who are anti-oppression (for some it turns out) think of messages and words that come from a sexist, gendered, heterosexist, racist background conveyed in sincerity? Surely there aren’t some things that will get feminists, pro-feminists, POC and anti-racists, LGBT persons and activists, civil-rights activists in general to call a person out for bigotry, discrimination, and perpetuation of oppression. If there is, and really, I know there is, then to tell some marginalized groups to shut up and fuck off for their issues is intellectual dishonesty and hypocrisy.

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“Crazy” became a pejorative the moment people began to use it to describe things and others negatively as crazy because they think that there is some inherent wrongness with being crazy or crazy people are just bad.

There’s a whole internet out there that can explain this concept to you if you bothered to look. There’s a lot of mirror concepts in feminism, anti-racism, and LGBT activism, so maybe look out for those too.

Comment #91: R.T.  on  05/13  at  09:22 PM

Late to the thread, but regarding libraries/ebooks, finding out I could borrow from the library is what pushed me over to buying an e-reader. And, my local library isn’t even set up with ebooks quite yet.

I have been wondering if one way to get over the purchasing cost to libraries and publishers’ profits issue is to rent ebooks instead of lending for free. My library rents dvd’s at low cost ($1 for 4 days), and I’d be very willing to rent an ebook at up to say $5 for X period. That would still save me money compared to buying a book, and the publisher could get a percentage of that fee. I’m sure they would make even more money than selling at high prices and the library would get a bit to help keep them running. It would be similar to how movie theatres operate.

Comment #92: Livi  on  05/16  at  01:15 PM
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