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So-called abortion party story really about health care access

Via Broadsheet, I found this story about an actual so-called “abortion party”.  I say “so-called”, because feminists have been joking that conservatives think we have abortion parties to celebrate the sexual pleasure of having an abortion, that we may even deliberately get pregnant just so we can abort.  Because they’ll believe pretty much anything about sexually active women who aren’t submissive victims, if they can be horrified and titillated by it.  As you can imagine, this actual abortion party is much more mundane, though sadly the author of the piece Byard Duncan also cannot resist the urge to scandalize the audience with stories of bad sluts who have sex and aren’t dramatically and sadly getting their due punishment of mandatory childbirth.  He contrasts the party with a “classy” event to celebrate a much better woman who had a baby, and actually suggested that there was something bizarre about bringing a child to attend, which of course implies that women who have abortions hate children, in contrast to reality where most women who have abortions have children. He even portrays the impregnating individual as a lonely reject, which of course plays into the deepest, truest wingnut fear about what abortion is about: rejecting men, because they can’t imagine that you could want men without having men dominate and control your life.

I saw Maggie’s boyfriend, sitting near the kitchen, wearing rainbow suspenders and looking uncomfortably alone. As it turns out, he had been the object of a lot of vitriol from Maggie’s friends—women who thought that he should not have had anything to do with the abortion. Both he and Maggie had been saddened about this reaction because they had made the decision together. When we talked, his sentences spilled out in quick little jumbles, like scattered puzzle pieces. His eyes stayed focused on a point behind me. He looked as if he’d like to be somewhere else.

He also claims that the friends were eager to vilify the real victim here, the man being deprived of his right to exert the final control over “his” woman’s body.  Duncan offers not one scrap of evidence that the women were blaming the man, or that the boyfriend in question was against the decision.  He in fact says that it was mutual, and that there was no confrontation, but he imagines that there was anger and tension between these evil, nasty women and the man being deprived of his right to force a woman to bear a child on his whim.  Don’t worry, he also portrays Maggie as a victim of feminist ideology, merely pretending to put on a brave face, etc.  One wingnut even tried to pretend that she cared about this bullshit, though of course she was mostly eager to judge.  The whole article was designed to play on wingnut myths and male fears about what it means that women have a right to reject a change you caused in their body, accidentally or not. 

Frankly, I think it was clever anti-choice agitprop that benefits from being put in Alternet, where readers can convince themselves that it’s from a nominally liberal perspective.  “Even the liberals know that abortion is a hate crime against men!  Even the liberals know every woman wants to give up their education and dreams to have babies and marry the first guy she sleeps with!” seems to be the theme, though I’m far from sure of that.  It’s not impossible that this guy is a pro-choicer who just happens to be a perfect cipher for every bullshit anti-choice claim, but I doubt it.  He just hits every note that wingnuts want to hear, even though a close reading demonstrates that what he claims happened didn’t happen

It worked, of course.  This wingnut picked up details to demonize the scene that even I hadn’t considered, such as the red bedsheet they used to separate the dancefloor,* and he’s shocked that women who have had children will do things like dance and consume alcohol, when they should be at home knitting.  But what threw me was the reaction from some Broadsheet bloggers.  Mary Elizabeth Williams picks up on what I did, which is that the story is deceitful, that the party probably did happen, but the details come from the author’s imagination and not from reality.  But Lynn Harris and Kate Harding disappoint me by passing judgment on something that seems harmless and industrious.

Tacky. Not necessarily because it’s glib about abortion, but because it’s glib about friendship. If you don’t have the money for the procedure and we all know that many women don’t, perhaps an among-friends “fundraiser” would be more gracefully conducted with a personal PayPal account and a delicately worded e-mail or quickie Web site whose URL is shown only to a select group. Not because the abortion itself should necessarily require such hush-hush discretion, but because, man, asking your friends to pony up at a party is putting them in a weird, public position…..

As for the party itself, I agree with Lynn that it rubs me the wrong way from an etiquette standpoint, but not just because being asked to subsidize an abortion might make some friends uncomfortable. More generally, when did house parties become fundraisers? In my day, if you couldn’t afford to offer dinosaur ribs and libations to all your friends, you threw a BYOB potluck—you didn’t charge a freakin’ cover to get into your living room. I just fundamentally don’t like this idea that we’re all entitled to hand our friends a bill for the pleasure of our company.

Actually, rent parties and the like developed in no small part because they’re more polite than just begging for money.  The idea is you work for the cash by hosting a party, and everyone feels better about chipping in because they got some fun out of it, too.  That the need for cash in this case was for an abortion makes it more scandalous, but the practice of throwing rent parties or health care parties has been around as long as I can remember, and I don’t think it’s tacky.  It’s a way for people that are in financial straits to stand up for their own humanity, declaring that just because you’re broke doesn’t mean that you should become a social pariah, a person people associate with unpleasant begging instead of pleasant party-throwing.  Amy Benfer picks up on the real story here, which is the fact that rent parties are actually turning into health care parties—-hardly a month goes by in Austin that I don’t see “party to raise money for some musician’s medical bills” advertisements—-tells us more about the need for health care than the bad manners of the paycheck-to-paycheck set. 

Being a music geek, I have to point out that money-raising parties were instrumental in music history, besides helping keep Austin-area musicians out of bankruptcy.  If you read Can’t Stop Won’t Stop, you’ll see what I mean.  Afrika Bambaataa really developed his DJing skills by doing a lot of house parties that charged a cover, to have fun, yes, but to make money, too. According to the Wikipedia, the term “rent party” developed in 1920s Harlem, and rent parties were instrumental in helping develop the jazz sound.  It strikes me as very narrow to view this sort of thing as mercenary, because my take on it, having seen, attended, and read about such parties, is that they’re more about community-building and definitely about taking a negative thing (piling bills) and turning it into a positive (fun parties). 

*He’s comically shocked that such a perverted item has ever existed, which is awesome, because this perverted feminist used to have red sheets she bought from Penney’s.  Yes, good, old-fashioned American department stores where they allow conservatives to shop without warning them stock red bedsheets.  Of course, most people involved don’t seem to think much of them besides, “They’ll go well with the red bedspread.”  Obviously, harlotry is so ingrained we don’t realize the color red unnaturally inflames the senses. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:53 AM • (85) Comments

lol, I love my red bedsheets.  I’ve got a regular tomato-colored cotton set, and a red plaid flannel set. 

And parties aside, how do people think young, broke folks pay for abortions?  Duh, subsidized by their friends.

Comment #1: rowmyboat  on  07/14  at  11:07 AM

When I lived in New Mexico I attended a few small concerts and house parties that raised money for people who needed health care. Mostly children needing cancer treatments but not all of them. I imagine Byard Duncan would cover those parties differently. But there is no real difference.

Comment #2: shakahi  on  07/14  at  11:09 AM

he’s shocked that women who have had children will do things like dance and consume alcohol, when they should be at home knitting.

Well I dunno, I’ve mixed knitting with alcohol before and it all ended in tears, and i have no idea how you’d knit and dance… wait it was the staying at home part that mattered? Oh well, then carry on.

Comment #3: kodiak  on  07/14  at  11:10 AM

Were they giving blow jobs to help collect the money?  Charging partygoers for grabbing handfuls of pills out of a bowl?

What other “party” legends can we cook up and combine here?

If boyfriend can’t even help with the cost of an abortion, so that the woman in question doesn’t have to fund raise, how in the ever loving fuck is he going to be able to support a family or pay court-ordered child support?

Comment #4: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  11:15 AM

I love my red bedsheets. Really, red is the most sensible color of sheet for most women to have five-seven days out of each month. Speaking for myself, virginal white sheets are going to look like they belong to a serial killer.

Comment #5: stonebiscuit  on  07/14  at  11:22 AM

LOL. Reminds me, in Montreal, there’s an interesting trend: knitting bars. Actually, bars where there’s ‘knitting night’, young college-age women gathering together and teaching each other how to knit, or knitting projects together. Apparently, it’s a sort of ‘return to thrift lifestyle’ thing that’s gathering steam with the generation that came just after mine.

The only real problem I have with it is that, as should be expected by most people who come to this blog, it’s once again almost 100% young *women* who are doing this. Nothing wrong with crafts and living thrifty, but it’s a shame that, once again, men steer clear of this sort of labor.

Comment #6: BlackBloc  on  07/14  at  11:22 AM

Reminds of a time that I was tabling for an org I was working for at the WHFS festival in Washington, DC and the table next to me was some Christian wait until marriage group.  I sat next to them for most of the day and everything went pretty normally.  People paid about as much attention to their booth as anyone else and not once did I see any form of hostile engagement.  The next week in the Washington Post one of the people had a piece in the opinion section talking about all the hostility they encountered.  It was bizarre to see the level of paranoia and self-deceit that these people possess.

Comment #7: dave  on  07/14  at  11:25 AM

Rainbow suspenders? Her boyfriend was Mork from Ork?

Comment #8: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/14  at  11:30 AM

“Rainbow suspenders? Her boyfriend was Mork from Ork?”

LOL Or a clown that didn’t have the heart to put on his face because his woman beat him into saying it was a mutual decision.

Comment #9: shakahi  on  07/14  at  11:41 AM

Rainbow suspenders? Her boyfriend was Mork from Ork?

No wonder she wanted an abortion. She didn’t want to give birth to Jonathan Winters.

Comment #10: flea  on  07/14  at  11:41 AM

I suspect the rainbow suspenders thing was an attempt to feminize a man whose woman believes she owns herself.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/14  at  11:51 AM

It’s about helping out a friend in need and refusing to think of abortion as some evil, shameful sin.  Obviously, you wouldn’t invite anti-choice people or those who’ve expressed that even though they’re pro-choice, or pro-choice for others, the procedure squicks them out and they think it should all be hush-hush.  But among a circle of supportive, open-minded friends—where is the problem?  How is it different from organizing a bake-sale to raise money for someone’s ovarian cyst removal that their friggin health insurance company would only partially cover?

Re: knitting being women’s territory—for what it’s worth, I was taught to crochet by a gay Rastafarian man.  Seriously.  A straight man (who happens to be my husband) taught me how to cook.  A straight woman taught me how to fire a gun.  A gay woman taught me photography; I taught myself how to build a fire.  Gender, schmender.  But then, I’m getting on in years and I’ve learned—and keep learning—useful and interesting skills from everyone else, regardless of his or her sex or sexual orientation.

Comment #12: litbrit  on  07/14  at  11:54 AM

Wow. I was completely clueless about the “red sheets=slut” thing. I do agree, however, that red sheets would look good with a red bedspread.

We used to have rent parties ALL the time when I was in school. Take some of the money to pay for the keg, use the rest to keep a roof over your head.

Comment #13: Mark  on  07/14  at  11:54 AM

As for the party itself, I agree with Lynn that it rubs me the wrong way from an etiquette standpoint…

What?!? She’s never been to a fundraising event? Never been to, I don’t know, a cocktail party at the Museum of Natural History for a “Save the Whales” fundraiser (that’s the one you always see in the TeeVee shows…) or a band line-up supporting local homeless shelters or a dance at the church to pay for the new roof?

She decides to be judgmental about it b/c it’s held at someone’s home instead of a museum/bar/church basement? Something tells me something else is going on there…

Comment #14: Geocrackr  on  07/14  at  12:03 PM

Nothing wrong with crafts and living thrifty, but it’s a shame that, once again, men steer clear of this sort of labor.

Straight men do.  Plenty of gay men knit and do other “girly” crafts.  Manly men tend towards woodworking if they want to be crafty and not hear jokes about being sissies.

Though even that is a very States-ian thing.  I’ve heard tell that 30 years ago in your country, all of the children (boys included) in chilly places like Nova Scotia were taught to knit in school.  There are quite a few male knitters and designers in the British Isles, and they can’t all be gay.  (Well, they could be, but my gaydar doesn’t work with men from overseas.)

Comment #15: Mnemosyne  on  07/14  at  12:04 PM

I don’t see the problem with women throwing parties to finance AND CELEBRATE their ability to extract themselves from bad situations.  Saying NO to subordinating one’s life to the will of the Entitled Ones (men and their progeny) WILL sometimes turn into a harsh and bloody rejection of patriarchal values.  That’s what happens sometimes, when a woman marked for slavery is backed into a corner by the Powers That Be. SO BE IT. These women could dance ON the red sheet and drink bloody marys and play Knife the Dick On the Douchebag and I’d still cheer them on.

People who sniff disdainfully at “commerce” are typically (and ironically) the spawn of the Victorian merchant class: Their come ancestors came into Big Money - via commerce! and aped what they IMAGINED the Royals were like. They created whole industries based upon (completely made up) rules of “etiquette.” I find it strange how we continue with the 1800’s Victoriana by allowing upper-middle-class privilege to define for us what is proper and not proper, despite the fact that by the time people get to a station in life where they can act snooty they’re (by definition) out of touch with what it takes for ordinary people to scrape by. 

Red sheets are great for Period Week.

Comment #16: The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker  on  07/14  at  12:05 PM

“and they can’t all be gay.  (Well, they could be, but my gaydar doesn’t work with men from overseas.)”

Thanks Mnemosyne. That cracked me up.  smile

Comment #17: Mark  on  07/14  at  12:20 PM

Knife the Dick On the Douchebag

If that isn’t a Bikini Kill song, it should be.

Comment #18: Sour Kraut  on  07/14  at  12:21 PM

Just chiming in on the red sheets thing. Currently staying with a boyfriend with, well, no-longer-white sheets. I asked him what the hell he was thinking when he got them. Red - dark red- or dark gray or dark brown or dark blue or black. I don’t even know why they sell other colors. Also mattress protectors - those are NOT optional. Do they lead to harlotry too?

Comment #19: CassieC  on  07/14  at  12:24 PM

^ Yes.  I agree that concerns over “etiquette” and “taste” are really just disguised classist statements.  What those commenters were saying, admittedly in a polite way, is that only tacky, white class people throw parties to pay their bills.

My guess is that they’ve never had an issue with a medical bill in their life.

Contrast that with central Illinois, where I live.  Every week there is another flier up in local bars and restaurants about a family who needs help.  Last week, it was a family that needed a wheelchair-equipped van for their son, who was, at the time, in grave danger any time the family went anywhere because his chair was not strapped in correctly in their old vehicle.  A local band donated their services, a local restaurant donated a ton of spaghetti and garlic bread, my local bar provided the space, and the family bought the alcohol from them on the cheap. 

That doesn’t seem tacky to me.  That seems like a community coming together to help someone in need, a very generous gesture.

Re: red sheets.  LOL @ close reading.  I’m an English major and I get repeatedly told by conservatives that my job is irrelevant/a waste of my students’ time.  And yet, without the skills that I teach how would they communicate with each other?  Dog whistle codes don’t work without a decoder ring!

Comment #20: madavis4  on  07/14  at  12:27 PM

  Nothing wrong with crafts and living thrifty, but it’s a shame that, once again, men steer clear of this sort of labor.

Straight men do.  Plenty of gay men knit and do other “girly” crafts.  Manly men tend towards woodworking if they want to be crafty and not hear jokes about being sissies.

Not entirely true. I knew a straight trucker (from the South, too) who knitted to relax. He got good at it, too.

Comment #21: mndean  on  07/14  at  12:29 PM

Wow. Now I know why I bought a red couch. I thought it was because it was cheap, but apparently it outs me as some kind kid hating slut.

Comment #22: shakahi  on  07/14  at  12:33 PM

We buy whatever sheets are currently on sale. We have some nice rust-colored sheets, but I’d never owned a pair of red sheets until angrymob moved in with me and he brought his pair along. HE’S SUCH A SLUT!!!! :D

I suspect the rainbow suspenders thing was an attempt to feminize a man whose woman believes she owns herself.

Well, that and the entire paragraph reeked of Creative Writing 101 (as someone who majored in Creative Writing in college, I can recognize this dreck from a mile off) ...

“When we talked, his sentences spilled out in quick little jumbles, like scattered puzzle pieces. His eyes stayed focused on a point behind me.”

Oooh, the symbolism! Quick little jumbles, like scattered puzzle pieces! It’s evocative! Look at how poetic my use of simile is!  But the scene needs more… description. Rainbow suspenders would be a nice touch. Maybe I could give him a frizzy little mouse-colored fro or some other adorable feature to further accentuate his boyishness…. lost in the turgid, churning sea of feminine anger and destruction. Joyce Carol Oates, EAT YOUR HEART OUT!

Comment #23: Mighty Ponygirl  on  07/14  at  12:38 PM

Do they lead to harlotry too?

Don’t you understand?  If you are menstruating, you are not pregnant, and if you are not permanently pregnant you must be a whore!

Comment #24: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  12:41 PM

I know a couple of guys who knit, and only one of them is gay. 

Parties are how we used to finance hotel rooms at SF/F conventions.  Bring some booze and mixer, set out a donation jar, pay for room from profits.  We also used them to make rent, buy food and a bunch of other things. 

I believe in one case we helped pay for someone’s new roof with a party.

Comment #25: GeekGirlsRule  on  07/14  at  12:42 PM

“My guess is that they’ve never had an issue with a medical bill in their life.”

...a statement which could be accurately said of just about everyone on the wrong side of the effort to get universal health care in the US…

It seems pretty logical to me that if you don’t have to be concerned that a health crisis will strike you at any moment and pretty much devastate your economic health as well as your physical health, a idea like an “abortion party” would only appear in (bad) fiction.

But what the hell do I know, other than I envy the Canadians and the French who pay much less for health care and get better results — even though they live in horrible socialist dystopias…

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  07/14  at  12:43 PM

I’ve mixed knitting with alcohol before and it all ended in tears, and i have no idea how you’d knit and dance… wait it was the staying at home part that mattered? Oh well, then carry on.

kodiak

It’s all fun and games and knitting until someone loses an eye.

Comment #27: cynickal  on  07/14  at  12:49 PM

About the red sheets: wait til you decide on the home birth. Make the bed (vinyl mattress saver underneath) with red sheets. Put shower curtain over bed. Make bed again, with red sheets. Again. Worked really well for us, except we only had the one set of red sheets, which we sensibly used as the top layer because there’s a whole lot of blood and other stuff.

Take them off, and actually don’t throw them out because they are a sensible colour. Ours came out stain-free. After getting the shower curtain/dirty sheets off, we had a bed already made. There’s still some bleeding afterward. Sadly, those stains are still visible on the sheets we had underneath… made me wish we had more red sheets on hand.

I guess my point is that the forced-birthers ought to approve of red sheets. They’re great for delivering babies on.

Comment #28: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  07/14  at  12:49 PM

Apropos of the story of the “poor rejected male”, I suspect (I’ll never know for sure) something like this happened to me with a woman I was dating some years back. We dated, had some unprotected sex for awhile and about a month + after one of our couplings she took off on a very short vacation and broke up with me very soon thereafter. No plausible explanation and she acted strange. She avoided me from that point on. I thought it was an odd thing to do, until I realized what probably happened. (Yeah, maybe she found someone better, but then why totally avoid me? That never happened to me before with ex-girlfriends). Since we were only dating and not in a serious relationship, it really was a mistake but possibly she thought I was more serious than her about a relationship (I did like her quite a lot, but marriage? That wasn’t even on the board) and decided breaking all ties was the easiest way. It was too bad we couldn’t remain friends, but I got over it pretty quick.

Comment #29: mndean  on  07/14  at  12:54 PM

What?!? She’s never been to a fundraising event?

Or a baby shower? Am I the only one who is seeing the parallel between having a party to help out a soon-to-be mom and a party to help out the don’t-want-to-be mom?

Or is it just so obvious that no one else felt the need to mention it?

Comment #30: Vir Modestus  on  07/14  at  01:00 PM

Good point, Vir Modestus.  Hadn’t thought of that, but that may be that we’ve had more abortions than baby showers in my circle.  But good point.

Comment #31: rowmyboat  on  07/14  at  01:03 PM

...a statement which could be accurately said of just about everyone on the wrong side of the effort to get universal health care in the US…

Sadly I know far too many people who have had problems with medical costs and still don’t get it.  The cognitive dissonance is painful.

You’re absolutely right that the Broadsheet piece smacks of class privilege, where asking for help is viewed as shameful.  I see a personal and political reason to have an abortion party—why not make it a fun experience for everyone AND make it an opportunity to emphasize the importance of reproductive rights?  People throw parties to get crap when they’re getting married, or having a baby and that’s not seen as something shameful to be done via PayPal.

Comment #32: pennylane  on  07/14  at  01:03 PM

1. Blackbloc and Mnemoysne: I, a big burly straight man that nobody with even foreign gaydar mistakes for gay, got a female friend to teach me how to knit about 20 years ago when I was in college. I was broke, so I’d sit in the coffeehouse and chat with friends and knit. I still do it, although not as often: though I just finished a sweater for our 9mo daughter that will fit her perfectly when the weather turns chillier in November or so. I have known plenty of other straight guys who do crafts such as knitting, and I’ve even taught a few guys how to do it. So it’s not all women and gay guys. Well, it mostly is.

2. If they can’t afford the freaking abortion, it’s certainly the right decision to make. I can think of several couples whose abortion party I would happily have contributed to had I but known they were pregnant.

3. I think it’s really people having fun for non-officially-sanctioned reasons that really pisses the fundies off.

Comment #33: felagund  on  07/14  at  01:10 PM

Wow, I can’t believe this.  I have red bedsheets, which I love.  And a red bedspread.  Furthermore, anytime I am in Washington DC - and I’m there a couple of times a year - I stay at the Hotel Rouge specifically because it is so gorgeous and the rooms are red!  Red carpet, red sheets, red headboard, red drapes…it’s gorgeous!

Comment #34: Lady Vader  on  07/14  at  01:19 PM

Man all that men and knitting brought up bittersweet memories of Emerson (and his pink shirts) from Pushing Daisies.

Speaking of which, is a review of that show coming?

Comment #35: shah8  on  07/14  at  01:27 PM

Ponygirl: right on re. Creative Writing 101 FAIL. What a drivel-y column.
One of my college women’s groups had an abortion fund. I couldn’t afford to give them much money when I was there, but this reminds me that I should send them a check.

Comment #36: Shiny  on  07/14  at  01:34 PM

I’d just like it noted that some men might avoid knitting not because’s it’s fem or gay but because they simply hate knitting.  Moi, pour example.

Thank you.

Comment #37: seeker6079  on  07/14  at  01:36 PM

I don’t have any read bedsheets, but I wear a lot of red clothes.  I was talking about it with my roommate freshman year of college, during our first week while we still didn’t know each other.  She said, “Yeah, you seem like the kind of person who would wear a lot of red”, and I realized what she meant by it, but didn’t care.  I guess I would meet her definition of a slut, simply because I have sex for my own pleasure and I don’t think it has to be all special and romantic and meaningful.  Still, I don’t really see what that has to do with red shirts, since I rarely wear the red clothing during the actual sex.

Comment #38: bananacat  on  07/14  at  01:37 PM

“I rarely wear the red clothing during the actual sex.”

You have sex in the NUDE?! Shameful!!  ;->

Comment #39: Mark  on  07/14  at  01:54 PM

Slightly off-topic:  as someone who buys and wears a lot of vintage clothing, I discovered that BIZ powder (a non-chlorine bleach in a navy-blue box) is amazing for getting blood stains (and other “ickyness”, ahem) out of white or light-colored sheets.  What you have to do, though, is rinse the stains in cold water, double-up the recommended amount of BIZ, use the hottest water possible, and soak the things—either in a big basin or your washing machine—overnight.  Then rinse well and launder as normal.  A bit of work, yes, but so worth it if you’ve just gotten your sheets to that ultra-soft stage and don’t feel like shelling out to replace them with crunchy, scratchy new ones.  Of course, it’s great for printed cottons like tea-towels, fifties’ skirts, etc. too.

I swear, Proctor and Gamble should send me a lifetime supply of the stuff, given how many people I’ve turned onto it.

Comment #40: litbrit  on  07/14  at  01:56 PM

Obviously most of yuz is really young.  Anybody remember Roosevelt “Rosey” Grier?  LA Rams ‘Fearsome Foursome’ and subduer of Sirhan Sirhan and needlepoint guru?

From his Wiki:  “Grier is known for his serious pursuit of hobbies not traditionally associated with men such as macrame and needlepoint. He has authored several books, including Rosey Grier’s Needlepoint for Men in 1973.”

Comment #41: Magis  on  07/14  at  01:58 PM

Rosey was a man for all time.

Comment #42: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  02:13 PM

I just remembered - when he was in 6th grade, my older son was asking about the assassination of RFK, and I asked him if he knew about Rosey Greer.  He didn’t, so we looked him up.

He actually cried.  The man subdued an assassin, and yet he had the intense humanity and lack of fear to then keep the crowd from perpetrating an atrocity.  The man’s life was so meaningful and beautiful and special, and my son did a report on him for Black History Month.

Comment #43: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  02:20 PM

I’m betting this “abortion party” took place sometime around 1979. (Rainbow suspenders? Seriously? And the wingnut at the second link is correct that the author himself looks way beyond the age of hanging with 22-year-olds.) Of course, back in those days, if you wrote a serious liberal article about abortion whose sole concern was “What about TEH MENZ?!!!” you’d be laughed out of town. Sadly, a lot has changed in three decades.

Comment #44: sophronia  on  07/14  at  02:20 PM

Our forks, dotted with pasta sauce, dangled identically, flaccidly, in our hands.

Is this sentence a subliminal clue as to how abortion makes Byard Duncan feel?

Comment #45: Laurie  on  07/14  at  02:24 PM

The church I serve has held block parties for the past 7 years to help out area families struggling financially due to medical conditions. We began with a couple from our congregation (she had lupus), but 18 of the 20 families we’ve helped aren’t members. We raised $229,000 (we keep not a penny for ourselves) for them, and this year (July 26th) we hope to raise another $52,000 for four area families. Most of them, btw, have private health insurance, but caps, co-pays and 80/20 coverage, can still leave hefty bills, especially for those with chronic conditions.
We do just about anything to raise the money—from auctions and food sales to the raffle of a Harley Davidson (we don’t like gambling, but we gladly sacrifice those prissy feelings for the sake for others who are suffering). Oh, and we have continuous live entertainment. And nobody complains that we lack solemnity.
Not too shabby for a church that averages around 65 people in worship on Sunday.

Comment #46: revrick  on  07/14  at  02:29 PM

Our forks, dotted with pasta sauce, dangled identically, flaccidly, in our hands.

Was this party at Uri Geller’s house?

Comment #47: FlipYrWhig  on  07/14  at  02:44 PM

Not entirely true. I knew a straight trucker (from the South, too) who knitted to relax. He got good at it, too.

Magis beat me to it, but I too have noticed that American straight men who knit or do other needlecraft are quite often big, burly guys.  I suspect it’s a combination of feeling secure in their own manhood and feeling secure that no one’s going to make fun of a 6’5” former defensive tackle for being “girly.”

It’s also one of those things that men used to do that are now stigmatized as being for women only.  Men and boys were encouraged to knit during WWI and WWII.  I can’t find a good picture, but it was pretty common for wounded soldiers to knit socks and other items for the war effort while they were laid up.

Comment #48: Mnemosyne  on  07/14  at  02:45 PM

Back on-topic, I suppose they need to immediately stop holding Bowling for Boobies fundraisers for breast cancer patients because, hey, they’re having a good time and laughing!  Playboy Playmates are showing up to draw a bigger crowd!  Don’t those women know they should be ashamed that they can’t afford to pay for their breast cancer treatment and should instead crawl off into a corner to die with dignity?

Well, there is some shame involved, but it’s that cancer patients have to raise their own money to pay for treatment.  That is really, really fucked up, my friends.

Comment #49: Mnemosyne  on  07/14  at  02:49 PM

I’m betting this “abortion party” took place sometime around 1979.

I bet it involved a “pudgy Reese Witherspoon look-alike” on the pill, too.

Comment #50: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  03:03 PM

Chinese culture: red = good luck.
Western culture: red = harlot.

Sorry, but I’m not seeing a difference here.  I think those of us who are harlots are very luck, thenkyewverrymuchindeed.

Comment #51: seeker6079  on  07/14  at  03:04 PM

“It’s all fun and games and knitting until someone loses an eye. “

No, cynical.  If it’s somebody else losing an eye then it’s still fun and games.  (Cue Joker laugh.)

Comment #52: seeker6079  on  07/14  at  03:05 PM

I’m also suspecting that this is a vintage story, not something that just happened recently.  I’m pretty sure the kids today aren’t playing Prince’s “Let’s Go Crazy” as their party music.  Everything about this screamed “1983” to me.  College students irreverently making fun of the situation?  Gee, that’s a shocker.  Because everything that college students do is always in perfect taste.

Comment #53: Mnemosyne  on  07/14  at  03:17 PM

It’s times like this I’m glad I’m fake-colorblind.

Comment #54: norbizness  on  07/14  at  03:22 PM

I’ve heard tell that 30 years ago in your country, all of the children (boys included) in chilly places like Nova Scotia were taught to knit in school.

They taught me how to use a sewing machine (badly), but nothing about knitting.

It won’t surprise anyone that Home Ec was derided by all the “cool” boys as “Girl Class”. Me, I just wish I had been intelligent enough at the time to pay more attention.

Comment #55: BlackBloc  on  07/14  at  03:35 PM

Two of Austin’s finest musicians, John Dee Graham (who I was thrilled to see while at last year’s netroots) and Alejandro Escovedo, have both had to resort to fundraising to deal with medical expenses and the fact that artists, among others, don’t get insurance in America.

The Broad Sheet thing really bugged me—the woman was raising money for a medical procedure.  It is only tacky if you think having an abortion is somehow shameful.  Fuck that. 

As for the mis en scene (hey, it’s Bastille Day) depicted, I too cry bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.  Not the party itself, but the boyfriend, the alleged hostility toward him, the wise beyond his years three year old, the sheet “womb,” and most of all the goddamned suspenders.  Was the boyfirend an extra in Godspell?

Comment #56: Sir Charles  on  07/14  at  03:40 PM

In reference to an earlier comment that this guy must not have to worry about health care costs, unfortunately there are a ton of people who have no insurance, who can’t afford healthcare who are also terrified of universal health care because they believe it’s Socialism/Communism in disguise. 

Couple of months ago, I was sitting in the Les Schwab tires waiting room, waiting for my car to be done.  And they had Faux News on the tv.  One of the commentators actually came out and said, “If you need a kidney and you can’t afford it, too bad.”  It’s the stunning lack of empathy that just kills me.

Comment #57: GeekGirlsRule  on  07/14  at  03:55 PM

Look, if you want to get blood out of sheets, it’s simple, add a 1/4 cup of hydrogen peroxide per 30 lb load of laundry.  As long as it is diluted and kept cool, it won’t burn out the color of most colorfast cloth.  Rinse in cold, and boom, it’s clean and disinfected.

I dunno, I think the idea of a party to pay for medical expenses are kinda tacky - but you know what?  People have parties to pay for having children, and that’s a much bigger bill.  I think it’s awesome they had friends who would be there for them and hold such a thing to support their friends!  That’s just too cool.

Comment #58: Crissa  on  07/14  at  04:18 PM

One of the commentators actually came out and said, “If you need a kidney and you can’t afford it, too bad.” It’s the stunning lack of empathy that just kills me.

It gets better. If you donate a kidney, then you’ve got a pre-existing condition and can’t get insurance. Yay!

/end thread derail

Comment #59: Entomologista  on  07/14  at  04:26 PM

I can’t care if men don’t knit.  I don’t knit, so I see their point of view.  wink

Comment #60: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/14  at  04:36 PM

First thing I thought of in terms of equivalence was a baby shower.  I was surprised that it took waaayyy down the thread for someone to mention it. 

Damn that monitor I got at “mine,” newfangled that it was in 1990; every sniffle was an emergency, and enough! with the neighbor’s wireless phone and radios of passing police cars.

Comment #61: Iam138  on  07/14  at  04:42 PM

if you want to get blood out of sheets

Salt water works if the stain is fresh, that could be all you need:

Blood Stain Removal From Washable Fabric

  1. Immerse item in strong salt water or keep changing the salt water until it is clear. Rinse the item in cold water. Wash as directed.
  2. Use approximately 2 teaspoons of ammonia with a pint of cold water and a few drops of hydrogen peroxide and rinse it with cold water. Wash as directed.
  3. Add a bit of stain removal and shampoo while rubbing the soiled portion until the shampoo is completely absorbed and then briskly scrub it until the stain is removed. Wash as directed.

Comment #62: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  07/14  at  05:44 PM

I don’t garden (plants run in fear), so I trade knitted goodies for garden goodies.  Win-win all around.

And as someone up-thread commented, it seems like it’s the big burly guys who do needlecrafts.  I’ve taught more than one male friend how to knit, and one commented that mastering that whole “two stick coordination thing” was more satisfying than he expected.

Isn’t it funny how conservatives hate that the government provides social services (“the community and the churches are supposed to care of all that!” - forgetting that, yeah, they’re NOT), but then bitch when that’s exactly what this woman’s community is doing?  I guess only events that have been pre-approved by The Moral People are allowed.

Comment #63: NobleExperiments  on  07/14  at  05:49 PM

...which of course implies that women who have abortions hate children, in contrast to reality where most women who have abortions have children.

I think that the majority of the “child haters” head off the need for anything like accidental pregnancy at the pass. Those who really do not want a kid will take steps to really REALLY not have to deal with anything pregnancy related (if they can help it).
I’ve been on birth control (and used condoms too) all of my reproductive life.
However, they’re trying to chip away at that right too. Which they can have over my refridgerated NuvaRing.

Comment #64: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/14  at  05:52 PM

Knife the Dick On the Douchebag

This is not something I offer lightly: ROFLMAO

Comment #65: DonnaDiva  on  07/14  at  07:18 PM

One of the commentators actually came out and said, “If you need a kidney and you can’t afford it, too bad.” It’s the stunning lack of empathy that just kills me.

You’re not alone. The lack of empathy kills 22,000 people a year. (At least. Frankly, I doubt that number includes people who waited too long to have a suspected tumor checked out because they didn’t have insurance when they first noticed something, for example.)

Comment #66: Samantha Vimes  on  07/14  at  07:22 PM

I agree with several of the commenters re the etiquette aspect.  I’ve concluded that what is perceived as etiquette or “good manners” is about 60% class privilege (the remainder being the worthwhile aspects of treating people with kindness and respect).  If having a party to raise funds for any basic necessity - be it rent or a medical procedure - is “tacky” to certain people then I guess begging for food on the street is the height of tackiness to them. 

Isn’t it funny how conservatives hate that the government provides social services (“the community and the churches are supposed to care of all that!” - forgetting that, yeah, they’re NOT), but then bitch when that’s exactly what this woman’s community is doing?  I guess only events that have been pre-approved by The Moral People are allowed.

I’ve heard that if every church in the country took in 2 homeless people, homelessness would be eradicated.  That’s not likely to happen anytime soon but the spiffy megachurch near my home has a daycare center AND a coffee shop.

Comment #67: DonnaDiva  on  07/14  at  07:33 PM

Also, what 3 year old says “too cool for me”?

Comment #68: DonnaDiva  on  07/14  at  07:50 PM

I hadn’t heard of rent parties before this, but parties to cover medical procedures or associated costs? Very common. The piece is just irksome and maudlin. The MEAN feminists who disparaged the couple for involving men, the oh so SAD trial of being a progressive man! How confusing and difficult to be a young feminist man, with those mean women all around and the abortions! The forgotten morals! The confusion of gender lines! The audacity of bringing a baby to this party! WOE ONTO HIM!
Am I the only one imaging the mean feminists saying things like “dude, wrap it up next time!”

And guys, a regular baby shower is like the third paragraph in the article anyway, the comparison is prominent as a lovely good event where even poor stupid college students do good, versus this is aberration of women’s lib. If it is right in the article in question, it has been brought up.

Comment #69: Tenya  on  07/14  at  08:06 PM

I’ve heard that if every church in the country took in 2 homeless people, homelessness would be eradicated. 

There are multiple problems with this.  If every church took in two people, those people would likely not get the kinds of services they need to get back into homes and get back on their feet.

Comment #70: Ms Kate  on  07/14  at  08:41 PM

Ugh. What dreck. I especially hate the navel-gazing about what “men’s roles” should be in abortion. I also hate the psuedo- feminist “allowing” for “legitimate anger” sentiment at the end. Does he really think that makes up for dogwhistles like the “dreadlocks” brushing against the womb-sheet?


I adress this in more depth on my blog- http://nekoonna.blogspot.com/2009/07/crazy-axe-murderer-is-in-backseat-of.html

Comment #71: Neko Onna  on  07/14  at  09:49 PM

Ugh, that article was painful to read.  The whole thing drips with the guy’s disappointment that the “abortion party” was a party rather than a wake and that the women weren’t going around weeping over their barren wombs (some of them even had kids!  Unfair!).  He keeps looking for evidence that “Maggie” is secretly shattered, her boyfriend an emasculated wreck, but they’re clearly just college students.  And he keeps circling back to the thing that clearly pisses him off the most: none of these women care what he, an enlightened liberal male who totally supports that feminist stuff as long as the girls don’t start getting out of hand, thinks.

This was the paragraph that made me throw up in my mouth:

I couldn’t help but notice how aggressive and, for lack of a better term, ‘male’ their attitudes became when confronted with the issue of a woman’s right to choose. It was almost as if, in the process of upholding an ideal of openness and acceptance, they had fallen victim to the same forces they were trying to critique.

Freedom makes women so distastefully male, doncha think?  It’s so tacky.  If only they’d back down on this aggression stuff, act properly feminine, and let some random douche tell them how to feel about pregnancy.

The mealy-mouthed ending where he meanders on about the “expectations” and “conflicts” of abortion so he doesn’t have to admit to an actual opinion is pretty bad too.

Comment #72: Shaenon  on  07/14  at  10:04 PM

My problem with knitting isn’t that it’s feminized (I’m sorry, but I’m not going to give up perfectly useful Suzy Homemaker skills for anybody) but that it’s freaking expensive if you’re not knitting crunchy polyester. Same problem with sewing. Thank god for the internet.

Incidentally, I met a doctor today who came back to medical practice in a Planned Parenthood just a month ago, where she will be a new care provider in an abortion clinic. She was a very kind and sweet woman and I liked her a lot. I mention this because Planned Parenthood has an abortion assistance fund, which I am continuously meaning to give money to.

Comment #73: purpleshoes  on  07/14  at  10:37 PM

I’d just like it noted that some men might avoid knitting not because’s it’s fem or gay but because they simply hate knitting.  Moi, pour example.

And I, am a woman who HATES KNITTING. Which is kind of odd, because I learned it since I thought I’d like it.

Blood on anything: scoop or two of Oxyclean in washer of water, soak overnight.

Comment #74: hp  on  07/14  at  11:46 PM

There are multiple problems with this.  If every church took in two people, those people would likely not get the kinds of services they need to get back into homes and get back on their feet.

Well yeah, that’s based on the assumption they’d get tangible things like food, housing, and job training.  We know they’d really get minimal help and a heap of proseletyzing.

Comment #75: DonnaDiva  on  07/15  at  12:57 AM

Are the comments on Alternet always that pig-disgusting?

Comment #76: Matty  on  07/15  at  04:28 AM

i was actually floored by the article comparing a “raising funds” party to a baby-shower - i mean, the associated (for fundies) has got to be nightmare-making - as far as the forced-birthers are concerned, an abortion should (if it happens at all) be a horrible shameful thing that totally destroys your life, your relationships, your health and your very sanity. whereas a baby shower is a party thrown to celebrate a woman doing the only thing women are capable of doing…
i hate the Right, i really do. and not just because i *can’t* have children and therefore i should not exist, or at least i should not be allowed to have sex or get married.
fuckers.

Danica Lefse Queen:
NeuvraRing was wonderful, compared to most other forms of BC. i miss my NorPlant (i went through two of them, and i was *infuriated* when they were yanked off the market), i used the NeuvaRing pretty much from the time it was available (here in Ohio; it was available sooner other places) until this April - when i got IMPLANON!!! and i *adore* my Implanon! it is only *one* rod, and it didn’t even hurt going it, it was the SMALLEST incision *ever* and it literally took TWO MINUTES for the ENTIRE PROCEDURE to put it in! *ANDANDAND* the company that makes Implanon sends out multiple reminders starting at 2.5 years that you need to get a new one (because they are only 3 years, which is literally the only thing i don’t like, i want LONGER) and it is CHEAPER than an IUD (or NeuvaRing for a year, assuming you are paying full price of about $50 for the NeuvaRing, that’s $600 a year vs. $600 for 3 years - of course, having the $600 all at once instead of spread out can be really hard, i am lucky that OSU decided to literally just GIVE Implanons to any student who wanted one…). i am, at this moment, nothing more than an (unpaid) advertisement for Implanon lol.

but seriously - i still have the pamphlet, and if *anyone* wants more info about the Implanon, i am info-dispenso-woman.

also: your average first-trimester abortion runs around $600, too. and, like i said above - there are tons of people for whom aquiring $600 (that isn’t already spoken for, for bills or rent or Little Johnny’s school uniforms…) is almost impossible- i know that PP in CA is starting to offer Implanon at the sliding-scale clinics - most of the PP clinics around where i live are NOT sliding scale, all but TWO PP clinics in Ohio receive no aid and have to charge full price for everything. but the PPs here in Columbus are supposed to start offering Implanon in, IIRC, September… which means that most PPs should be offering them soon.


and, erm - i only own red sheet. three different sets of red sheets. red is my favorite color - and is, FWIW, thought to have been the color brides wore in Celtic countries before Christianity (and white? ONLY became a “bridal color” after Queen Victoria wore white to her wedding, all the stuff about what a white dress means? added some decades later). when Pete and i get around to getting married, I *AM* wearing a red dress. i mean, the *first* time i got married i wore plaid…
Red is the bestest color, and the only *bad* thing about it is how it is used to stigmatize women who aren’t totally subservient, because of a stupid book about a Red A.

Comment #77: denelian  on  07/15  at  05:02 AM

@BlackBloc: The largest group of people on Ravelry is the Men Who Knit group.  Industrious male knitters are out there, they’re just a little leery of knitting in public.

Also it’s only return to thrift if you’re interested in knitting with nasty acrylic yarn or cheap cotton.  Being able to make your own knitted garments is cool, but very very pricey if you want to do it well.  If you don’t mind pills and shapelessness, for instance in a hard wearing knitted blanket, then acrylic is the yarn for you.  Also, most non-acrylic yarns are not available in chain stores, so you end up paying full retail from an online store or retail plus markup for a specialty yarn store.  That’s assuming you have a store in your area you can get to.

Comment #78: Godless Heathen  on  07/15  at  07:06 AM

@mndean: yo, birth control is a man’s responsibility too. Why the heck did you have unprotected sex with ANYBODY you didn’t want to have a kid with? Less whining about women being emotional, more acting like a grown-up, please.

Comment #79: CassieC  on  07/15  at  09:07 AM

Denelian,
Maybe you should throw a “I love my birth control method” party. I think I may know a sexist douche who needs a whiny followup article.

I don’t have anything but contempt for the idea that this is tacky, or wrong. Either from a supposedly liberal man, or from Salon writers. I mostly just read Greenwald and Stephanie Zacharek since King Kaufman is gone, but who do they have there at Broadsheet, Gloria Vanderbilt the XIV?

Comment #80: witless chum  on  07/15  at  10:12 AM

“Are the comments on Alternet always that pig-disgusting?”

  Yep, and I’ve seen much worse. You can report the ones that are violent or over the top offensive but it’s like using an eyedropper to stop the tide.

  Very large contrast to the majority of postings here.

Comment #81: HooksInMyHead  on  07/15  at  01:40 PM

Also, most non-acrylic yarns are not available in chain stores, so you end up paying full retail from an online store or retail plus markup for a specialty yarn store.  That’s assuming you have a store in your area you can get to.

I usually buy “off-season” (summer yarns in fall winter winter yarns in spring summer) yarns when they’re discounted - hunt for deals on eBay, etc.
It’s workable but yeah.
Knitting the “good stuff” isn’t cheap. But then, most nice sweaters aren’t all that cheap either.

Comment #82: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/15  at  05:04 PM

denelian - I will seriously look into the Implanon. It sounds awesome! Thanks for the info.

My yearly is coming up soon so I’ll have that on my list of stuff to chat about. smile

Comment #83: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/15  at  05:06 PM

I wonder what that guy would have thought of the “spaying shower” my friends threw me when I got fixed a couple years ago.

Comment #84: GeekGirlsRule  on  07/15  at  06:27 PM

witless chum -

that’s a really *good* idea - and i can take donations for when i need to get a new one! oooooooh the possibilites… hehe

Danica - i love it. i know that some women don’t like the stick in their arm, that was the major complaint with the norplant - but it is soooooo much smaller (and i have not had a period yet, which is always a happy-making thing!)

GeekGirl - “Spaying shower”? am i understanding correctly that you need help with a hysterectomy? i hope you are ok now…

Comment #85: denelian  on  07/15  at  09:48 PM
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