Fire, crowded theater, all that ...

Blame the victim, too.  How ... predicable.

If I were Dr. Tiller’s next of kin I would be preparing a civil suit against O’Lielly.

O’Reilly frequently suggested that the clinic was covering up for child rapists (rather than teenage boyfriends) by refusing to release records on the abortions performed.

Or, more likely they were following HIPAA laws which explicitly outlaw releasing patient information?

God, I hope O’Loofah gets hit by a bus.  Fucking piece of shit.

One against Randall Terry, too, since the murderer posted his idea of joining Tiller’s church on that site and Terry has come out tap dancing in his glee that a “mass murderer” has been killed.

Terry is an imam of hate, no different from Bin Laden.  If you don’t think he’d be happy to see this happen across the country, read his statements.  He won’t even refer to Tiller as “Dr.”, but as “Mr.”

It’s terrorism, and it’s buried inside the paper b/c terrorism against women doesn’t matter.

I don’t think the fact that he was murdered in a church is getting enough attention.  Seriously, how good of a Christian can these jack asses be if they’re gunning down people that are in church?

Stupid mouse.  I wasn’t ready to blaspheme yet.  To finish, I think we can use this incident as a very quick and effective to dismantle the ovarian subjugation movement’s claims to moral superiority and this idea that they’re doing God’s work.  I’m pretty sure that Jesus would say killing a guy in a church and plotting serious unrest in and around a church is way worse than an abortion.

And the Most Idiotic and Monstrous Response of the Day award goes to:

This weekend an abortion performer was terminated. Because this was illegal it was not carried out in a safe manner, but instead by gunfire in a crowded church. Terminating abortion performers should be rare, safe, and legal.

Since the Constitution erects a High Wall of Separation between Church and State we must not let our religious opposition to vigilante killings get in the way of our public policy decisions on terminating abortion performers. We must also realize that every termination of an abortion performer is a tragedy for everyone especially the terminator. It is never a decision taken lightly.

Furthermore social justice cries out that we should no longer allow the wealthy to fly to some Moslem kingdom where they can stone an abortion performer to death quite legally, while the poor are relegated to shooting them by ambush and being imprisoned for it.

To think that Justice Anthony Kennedy is all that stands between reality and this guy’s sick fantasy.  It makes me want to thank Arlen Specter all over again for borking Bork.  But this is what we’re up against, people.  Some of our opponents just have no idea of the difference between a theocracy and a civil society.

I’m pretty sure that Jesus would say killing a guy in a church and plotting serious unrest in and around a church is way worse than an abortion.

Clearly you’re not familiar with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Rambo-muscled, kicker of Jew-moneylender-in-the-Temple arse brand of Jeebus that these hateful nutbars believe in. That macho Jeebus is right on board with what you describe.

If I keep thinking about this, I get so pissed off. Almost enough to go enroll in med school myself—never mind that I didn’t major in the sciences…

I mean, if it’s true that only two doctors performed the late-term abortions Tiller specialized in, this really fucking hurts—not just emotionally, but practically as well. For all the women with life-threatening eclampsia, birth defects, or other medical reasons for late-term abortions, we’re down to one provider. If “pro-life” terrorism doesn’t stop, it can, realistically, achieve its sick, warped aims.

Who in med school now has the courage (and financial wherewithal) to replace Tiller?

“So how does O’Reilly feel about the assassination of George Tiller?”

...no doubt with a glee he can barely restrain while on camera.  After all, he and Limbaugh and Hannity and all the others are our very own Lewis Protheros...

After all, he and Limbaugh and Hannity and all the others are our very own Lewis Protheros…

I love how they cast a Chris Hitchens look-alike for that role in the movie. These crapweasels don’t give a damn about the particular brand of extremism and controversy they’re pushing—as long as it works to get them attention and money, they’ll roll with whatever works.

How does O’Reilly feel about the assassination of George Tiller?

On June 12, 2007, he said, “Yes, I think we all know what this is. And if the state of Kansas doesn’t stop this man, then anybody who prevents that from happening has blood on their hands as the governor does right now, Governor Sebelius.”

Right there.  He says anyone who doesn’t stop Tiller has blood on his/her hands.  He’s said that the legal system, which Governor Sebelius represented, has blood on its hands for not prosecuting Tiller.  He said that anyone who doesn’t stop Tiller is guilty of baby killing.

He’s going to “address the issue” tonight on his show, and try to claim that he didn’t cheerlead for this to happen, b/c he’s really a nice guy, just a bit abrupt on camera.  But make no mistake.  He considered Tiller a ‘baby killer’ and advocated violence against him.

Fucking terrorists all.

BABH, who’s the souce of that quote?

They aren’t all running from it, though! They are collecting reax at DailyKos now that are less than full-throated denial:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/31/737300/-Homegrown-jihadists

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/6/1/737552/-Hal-Turner:-let-the-terrorists-win

Interestingly, I also caught Malkin this morning pointing out that all “mainstream” anti-choice groups have condemned the violence. Not to say that any of this undermines her point, but it kinda undermines her point. She wants to align herself with right-wing terrorists when she’s complaining about DHS persecuting her for her politics, and then this happens.

The Eliminationists really have departed for another planet.

kaninchen:  A well-respected lawyer in the conservative movement with a storied appellate practice, including arguing before the Supreme Court.  I am not at liberty to give his name.

Kaninchen, BABH: Just throw the quote into Google and you come up with a transcript at Fox News: http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281861,00.html

Use ctrl-f to find it, down towards the bottom. Your welcome.

Clearly you’re not familiar with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Rambo-muscled, kicker of Jew-moneylender-in-the-Temple arse brand of Jeebus that these hateful nutbars believe in. That macho Jeebus is right on board with what you describe.

http://www.theonion.com/content/news/christ_kills_two_injures_seven_in?utm_source=onion_rss_daily

Randall Terry held a presser at the National Press Club to try to make the case that the eliminationist, womb-controlling, domestic terrorism movement that spawned an act of domestic terrorism is not to blame. I don’t think this press release will actually help him on that front—he sounds like a madman. Here’s his version of “It’s not my fault”:

Mr. Terry states: “We must not fear, we must not flinch, we must not retreat a single inch. George Tiller was a mass murderer, and we must continue to say so in his death just as we did in his life.

“The pro-life movement must not be browbeaten by Obama or the child-killers into surrendering our best rhetoric, actions, and images. We hold absolutely NO responsibility for his death.

“We must continue to call abortionists ‘murderers’ according to the teachings of the Church; we must continue to peacefully expose and protest them; and we must continue to show the bloody remains of children that died at the hands of Tiller and his kind.”

Randall Terry, not Terry Randall. Had to look it up.

I keep thinking about RICO. Damnit, I need to understand the law better.

Terry also makes a point that the only problem he has here is that Tiller didn’t receive a jury trial. My mind goes to that common law grand jury the tinfoil crew has been trying to pull together, to start a prosecution around Obama’s birth certificate. You look at Terry’s statement here, and he clearly believes in and endorses a parallel legal regime outside of our constitutional ones.

I need to stop thinking about this for a while. Idle speculation is taking me to dark, frustrating places. This is bigger than the lone-nut thing. (Are we calling them lone-wolves, now?) It always has been.

Clearly you’re not familiar with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed, Rambo-muscled, kicker of Jew-moneylender-in-the-Temple arse brand of Jeebus that these hateful nutbars believe in. That macho Jeebus is right on board with what you describe.

Uh-huh.

Because a young teenager who received an abortion from Tiller could, by definition, have been a victim of statutory rape, O’Reilly frequently suggested that the clinic was covering up for child rapists (rather than teenage boyfriends) by refusing to release records on the abortions performed.

Or maybe Tiller is protecting rape victims from further harm.  We all know what rape prosecution is dismal in this country, and if this particular girl was raped by someone she knows (which is the most likely case), then her life could be in danger if the rapist found out that she was pregnant, or that she had an abortion, or that she told someone (the doctor) about the pregnancy.  The point is clear: O’Reilly wants many, many women to die.  He also wants men to die if those men don’t also want women to die.

Nice one, PiaToR. Kreider, as usual, is spot-on about this stuff. Here’s a working link:

http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly050504.htm

Another version of Macho ‘Murkin Jeebus in this article about Mars Hill Church.

Will the Southern Poverty Law Center take a case from Tiller’s family? I know they usually go after folks who’ve committed hate crimes based upon race, but I think this is a hate crime and someone like them should take the Tiller family’s case pro-bono. Or once the cops catch this despicable murderer, a sweep of his computer should yield tons of info about who to bring a civil suit against.

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Nah, it’s one of those wonky artist/photographer’s sites: if they’re not gumming things up with Flash, they’re Framing things left and right.

I would love to see Tiller’s family and/or the Colorado dr. sue O’Reilly, Terry, et al for defamation. How can they get away with calling people murderers and criminals on TV? Are libel laws no longer in effect at all?

or all the women with life-threatening eclampsia, birth defects, or other medical reasons for late-term abortions, we’re down to one provider.

I wonder: if a woman dies because a needed abortion is not available due to lack of providers, could her next of kin sue these pro-life groups for contributing to her death?  I’d hate to see anyone die like this, but if they keep it up, it will: women will die from easily-preventable complications, and given the nature of such things, I rather doubt we’d see that many live babies resulting.  This is not an absolute-value math question—-sending the mother to her death along with a fetus that won’t survive either way is not a net positive.

We need to get this truth out, because the antis have the field here—-the general public hears “late-term abortion” and they think “baby that can live,” never mind the reality of severe birth defects or legitimate likelihood of survival if the mother dies out from under them at five months along, never mind grieving parents facing the reality of a wanted baby that won’t survive no matter what they do, never mind that husbands and children and family and friends and the women themselves don’t want expectant mothers to be dragged into death along with their babies like a funeral sacrifice when a pregnancy goes disastrously wrong—-these are the hidden realities, and normal empathetic people are suckered by lies and pretty pictures (and ugly ones) into supporting policies that would trade a woman’s life for a minor shift in timing and method of her fetus’s death.

That’s all it is here.  They want women to die so that they can take whatever comfort they take in dead babies being killed by natural causes instead of abortion.  It’s like Mrs. Lincon knowing all about the assassination plot at Ford’s Theatre and didn’t warn Abe away from seeing the play with her because she wanted company.

Who in med school now has the courage (and financial wherewithal) to replace Tiller?

This is why I am calling for an immediate replacement of conventional everyday patriarchy with masculinity, for a change.

Yall keep sayin these folks want women, and sometimes men, to die like that’s shocking. These people love death. It gets the good people to heaven faster, and the bad people to hell faster.

“Pro-Life” should never be used as their moniker.  They are “Anti-Choice”.  In the event the mother’s life is in danger, they would prefer letting the mother die.  This is not “Pro-Life”....it is “Anti-Choice”.