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Next entry: The religious right and the objectification of women Previous entry: SOTU: What Chris Matthews’ “I forgot Obama was black for an hour” statement really means.

SOTU, after a good night’s rest

First of all, let me say I was wrong about one thing in the liveblogging last night.  The way that Obama phrased the student aid plan last night set off all sorts of alarm bells for me.  The way he explained it was that they would eliminate subsidies and replace them with tax credits, which sounds exactly like a transfer of money from the lower income students who are eligible for subsidized loans to higher income students who could use all of the tax credit.  What loan subsidies do for students is simple: the federal government pays your interest on your subsidized loans while in college.  IIRC from working in federal student aid, depending on your income and your grade level in college, you could borrow up to $8500 a year in subsidized loans. So I was alarmed.  But when I looked it up, I found that he was being a little cagey about what “eliminated subsidies” means.  The plan is to stop subsidizing loans made through banks and instead lend directly (presumably still interest-free in the same parameters), which would free up $94 billion over 10 years that could go directly to students as grants.  Well, okay then.  That’s actually a great idea, and I apologize for being angry about it.  But you have to understand, a lot of the pandering Obama is doing is legitimately alarming.

The spending freeze situation is such an annoying gimmick that I just pray that it works how they no doubt hope.  I nearly fell off the bed in anger last night when Obama dusted off that hoary right wing pandering trope about how since you tighten your belt in hard times, the federal government should.  I guess Obama didn’t get the memo about how every time you repeat a trope, you lend it authority and credence, because that was an awful thing to do.  Equating your household and federal government is bad for a number of reasons.  For one thing, it implies that federal discretionary spending is identical to personal discretionary spending, and that the scare term “earmarks” are the government equivalent of buying nights out to dinner and video games.  It’s basically telling people that the federal government is a person who spends for pleasure, like people do, and that it can be regarded as a consumer entity.  This in turn helps the Republicans, who are willing to ride that metaphor hard, implying that non-military spending is the equivalent of mommy buying fancy make-up and the kids getting fancy toys, and that can be cut.  Making military spending sacrosanct only reinforces this idea—-masculine spending is always necessary, don’t you know?  It’s the ladies and children who need to be controlled.

Of course a spending freeze is a stupid idea.  Obama swears up and down that they can freeze spending while expanding spending to keep our economy from bleeding out jobs by only cutting unnecessary spending and giving it to necessary spending.  Again, the notion that the federal government is out there spending money on lipstick and wine is floated, by a Democrat.  I don’t disagree that the federal government spends a bunch of unnecessary money.  But I fail to see what they’re actually going to cut, especially during a recession.  Obama says “earmarks”, but the whole cutesy plan of putting all the earmarks on representatives’ websites will only demonstrate that you really can’t cut there, because the voters who look those pages up are going to see nothing but a bunch of money that’s an investment in their community.  Everyone wants earmarks cut—-someone else’s earmarks.  In your district, it’s an earmark.  In mine, it’s an investment in the community. 

There are huge swaths of federal spending that should be cut because they create major problems.  If Obama rolled out a plan to cut those instead of earmarks, then I’d be all ears.  For instance, he tied Michelle Obama’s childhood obesity campaign to health care.  Okay, fine, but what concrete steps will you take to make sure that people eat better from babyhood on?  Simply telling people to eat better won’t do it—-people have known they need to eat better for decades, and yet they don’t. But completely reworking our agricultural spending so that we quit subsidizing the fast food industry would help a lot, but making it more expensive to eat a bunch of crap.  However, I doubt very seriously we’re going to see the Obama administration try to rework our agricultural system during a recession, because a lot of choices would threaten existing jobs even if they created better jobs down the road.  And because eliminating cheap, high calorie food would be extremely unpopular, because it saves people money in the short term while continuing to blow health care costs through the roof in the long term.


Or we could, per my request in the Hyde amendment video, cease and desist funding private armies that are up to no good worldwide, and often advertise themselves specifically as capable of squashing rebellious inclinations amongst working people.  But that’s swept in under “defense spending”, which we have learned is sacrosanct.  Or we could slash in a lot of places that are mentioned in that video.  But again, every time you make a cut, you put a lot more people out of work.  Stopping the War on Drugs is a great idea, but it would reduce the need for prisons dramatically, leading to many to be shut down and all their staff to return to the ranks of the unemployed.  Unless the federal government is willing to step up and create entire new industries where prisons are the only industry (which is true in many red states), then this could actually be a disaster for them.  Those clean energy ideas sound interesting, of course, but not specific enough. 

Above all, I feel Obama blew his chance to really lead Congress out of this health care debacle.  He acted tough in a couple of places, but he didn’t devote the time necessary to drive home the message.  Nor did he do what he had to, which is call for an end of the filibuster or otherwise make it clear that Republicans should not act like they have a majority with 41 votes.  It’s great to talk about obstructionism, but let’s get our hands dirty and talk specifics.  Why not point out that the filibuster skyrocketed the second the Democrats got the majority?

Democrats hope to win by painting Republicans as little children screaming, “Nooooooo!”, even on super popular legislation.  That’s a great idea!  But they don’t have the guts to actually follow through.  Health care reform is a perfect example—-some of the most progressive elements are the most popular, and yet Democrats are acting like Republicans are speaking for the people in blocking those and pretty much everything else.  The plan now is clearly to highlight financial regulation that expands on the villainy of the banksters, and to point out that the Republicans are basically straight up shills for the worst, most exploitative corporate interests.  Great idea!  But if Democrats’ behavior on health care reform is any indication, I won’t hold my breath waiting for them to do the fighting necessary to make Republicans look bad.  Or, even better—-actually passing legislation with their 59 vote majority in the Senate.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:15 AM • (77) Comments

Any talk of cutting spending is 100% worthless if you don’t start with defense.  It’s by far the biggest part of the budget, for fuck’s sake!

Comment #1: Yawgmoth  on  01/28  at  11:20 AM

He’d be an adequate or even better than adequate President during good times. But he is utterly unequal to the situation we’re actually in. Unlike FDR, he is unwilling (and doesn’t even seem to understand the need) to be a class traitor- perhaps that’s the difference between the security of a hereditary member of the ruling class and the insecurity of an adopted one.

Comment #2: Steve LaBonne  on  01/28  at  11:33 AM

I have mixed feelings about earmarks.

To be fair, two of the most recent major earmarks in any pending legislation were given to Mary Landrieu and Ben Nelson to essentially buy their votes on the Senate HCR Bill - special healthcare related financial incentives specifically for their states that were given to get them only because they would have been obstructionist assholes and voted “No” had they not been given those incentives.

Bernie Sanders was also given an earmark of sorts, but his was equally beneficial to all Americans - the $10 Billion he secured to open community healthcare clinics will be spent throughout the U.S., not just in Vermont.  Now that said, $10 Billion really ain’t shit for what Sanders wants to use it for, but he wasn’t looking for any sort of special favors that would only win him the favor of his own state’s constituents, but rather a good program for the whole country.

I understand it’s how business often gets done in Congress, but it just seems a little bit like blatant bribery, or blackmail, if you prefer.  I get why people have adverse feelings it and see it as a bit of a corrupt practice in legislative sausagemaking.

That said, it’s a bit ridiculous to make this big of a deal out of it, because for all of John McCain’s incessant whining about “pork”, even if we got rid of ALL earmarks right now, it wouldn’t reduce our total budgetary spending by even 2%.  It really isn’t all that much money we would be saving, when you look at the big picture.

Comment #3: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  12:05 PM

“Defense” isn’t just the biggest part of the budget, it’s the most filled with unnecessary bloat.  Unfortunately, every piece of unnecessary bloat has jobs attached to it, because we’ve created a system where government props up private businesses rather than creating productive value for its citizens.  So now there’s a vested interest in the old way of doing things, even if it creates more damage overall or has huge opportunity costs.  I think the cutting out the middleman banks in regards to student loans is pretty much his boldest and best move he’s made, although his wording in the SOTU is unnecessarily misleading. 

I notice he focuses on jobs but fails to lay out any way that we’re going to stop jobs from disappearing, much less increase the number of jobs, besides tax credits and some vague line about exports.  What is actually made in the US any more?  Entertainment and bombs.  That’s about all I can think of.  Free trade is killing us.  We cannot compete unless the govt taxes imports and taxes companies that outsource jobs to make it less financially appealing.  I believe Obama said he was going to do the latter some time ago but I’ve yet to see it.

Comment #4: rebelliousjezebel  on  01/28  at  12:10 PM

I agree, and I had really hoped that Obama understood what Reagan’s “transformational” presidency was when he spoke about it.  He said he hoped he could also be transformational.  I took that to indicate he would mount a years-long defense and defitition of liberalism.

He is not going to do that.  He does not have an FDR-like bone in his body. 

But at this point, I feel we have to dance with the guy we brought.  I am not with those on the left (not in any way implying Amanda is one of them) who believe we need to bring this president to his knees, collaborate with Grover Norquist, and demand investigations into Ken Star like bullshit.  I would remind those who do believe that is the right path, to recall what 8 years of this modern day republican rule did to this country, WHEN it began with Peace, Prosperity, and Surpluses.  Now try and imagine what 4 or 8 years of that rule would do to us in our current condition. Would America even be left standing?  I don’t think we could withstand it.

Because our modern day Republican party is actually, bug fuck nuts, and facist, we need to be a little smarter and a bit less emotional.

The Bush tax cuts are going to expire. They would not under an R President.  I think we will get these things in Obama’s first term:  an end to the Iraq war, the bush tax cuts for the rich gone, DADT gone, some tepid financial regulation, probable legislation that will at least, outlaw preexisting condition recissions, and Supreme Court appointments that are not anti-choice and outright facist. 

Is it a lot?  Is it what we should have gotten?  Nah, but other than Kucinich we never even had anyone on the stage who was going to give us more.  And anyone who thinks Kucinich or anyone like him can be elected in this country, or if elected (never happen, but okay) would make it alive to the Oval Office, is delusional.

We have to keep pressuring him from the left, but abandoning him or working to destroy him?  No.  That would be self-destruction.

Comment #5: JennyLI  on  01/28  at  12:11 PM

What AnglScarlett said.

I’ve found myself getting more frustrated in the past few months by how different Obama the President is from Obama the Candidate, at least insofar as the strength of the actions in his presidency aren’t really matching up to the strength of his words in his campaign.

That said, last night, when they panned the camera on McCain looking like a bitter old man, I imagined how much different things would be if we were watching him giving that speech instead with Sarah Palin and John Boehner sitting behind him, and I suddenly became very, very, very grateful that Barack Obama is current POTUS, given how much worse off we would be if the opposition had the reigns of power.

The GOP has done a pretty damn good job of blocking strong progressive legislation from getting passed since we took over, but what they haven’t been able to do is get very much of their own agenda passed.  Under GOP rule right now, I am certain that in addition to being unable to get any of the progressive things we want done, we would also be witnessing the total dismantling of our nation with more tax cuts for the rich, more defense spending we can’t afford, fewer civil rights with a Patriot Act II, and at least one or two more pointless and unjust wars that would be running our country into the ground at lightspeed.

Comment #6: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  12:26 PM

“What is actually made in the US any more?  Entertainment and bombs.  That’s about all I can think of.  Free trade is killing us.  We cannot compete unless the govt taxes imports and taxes companies that outsource jobs to make it less financially appealing. “

What is made in the U.S.?  The “entertainment” category yields a clue - intellectual property type stuff.  Drugs, software, some hardware, biotechnology.  Advanced robotics.  Also, entertainment is a big category and a significant industry, as is defense, and is worth more than your casually dismissive “entertainment and bombs.”

Speaking of robotics, military spending leads to spin-off technologies that are later privatized and exported for profit.  The internet is a textbook example but it’s not the only one. 

As for trade barriers - yeah, you guys (I’m Canadian) could raise your trade barriers.  And a country like Canada would have to just take it.  But a country like China holds hundreds of billions of dollars of your debt and could make life very difficult for you if you decide to slap duties on Chinese imports.  Other countries would raise import duties for U.S. products in retaliation.  In other words, the U.S. cannot raise trade barriers without incurring costs.

Comment #7: PeterZeroOne  on  01/28  at  12:34 PM

And DTG imagine something even worse - imagine the pressure of the office gave McCain a heart attack.  We would have had the SOTU delivered by President Palin last night.  And even if he was still alive, we’d still have that sword hanging over our heads for three more years, at the least.  It’s almost unfathomable, but somehow imaginable.  It’s terrifying!

Comment #8: JennyLI  on  01/28  at  12:41 PM

That said, last night, when they panned the camera on McCain looking like a bitter old man, I imagined how much different things would be if we were watching him giving that speech instead with Sarah Palin and John Boehner sitting behind him, and I suddenly became very, very, very grateful that Barack Obama is current POTUS, given how much worse off we would be if the opposition had the reigns of power.

Yeah, we might be fighting two wars and escalating one of those, and might have catastrophic levels of unemployment that show no sign at all of abating, and might be enabling criminal banksters to pay themselves huge bonuses out of our pockets as their reward for screwing us while we do nothing for the desperate homeowners who were their victims, and might be trampling on civil liberties in the name of the “war on terror”. How awful that would have been!

OK, I don’t mean to suggest Obama is NO better, but let’s not exaggerate the extent of our good fortune.

Comment #9: Steve LaBonne  on  01/28  at  12:42 PM

I actually think he did a good job making an approachable SotU speech.  It wasn’t hard to listen to, and it attempted at humor, and I think he did a good job of “subtlely” pushing ideas across to the electorate, like the Senate is being a total roadblock, etc, etc.

As far as most of the ideas go?  After the HCR fiasco, I no longer really care about intent.  Everything has gone far, far, far away from intent.  I suspect Obama did message tested devices regardless of their actual soundness, and I don’t think the SotU is a great place for lectures.  It’s a pep rally, guys…

I was mostly looking at those humoungous and beautiful pearls Rep Nancy Pelosi was wearing…

Comment #10: shah8  on  01/28  at  12:57 PM

I’ll take it one step further, Steve LaBonne.  Let’s not even think of it as ‘fortune.’  We have Obama because we chose him.  We had McCain/Palin vs. Obama because of the choices we made up to that point.  That’s what has been infuriating to me about the “Hope” meme.  Hope is for those who have tried everything else and have no agency left.  As destructive as the Bush administration was, it was no inevitable and unstoppable force of nature.  It is difficult to say whether the Bushies could have committed all their as-yet-unindicted crimes had they faced unwavering, blistering opposition from the Democrats*.  We’ll never know, though, because the Democrats were at least just complicit enough for eight years.  How many of Democrats lost their seats as a result of failure to oppose the GOP?  As voters and citizens we made choices that affected the flow of circumstance, and we can’t sit back and pretend that everything that happened for eight years was completely out of our hands. 

The same is true right now.  If you are dissatisfied with the Democrats’ failure to use their commanding majority to implement policies that you prefer, what are you going to do about it?  Are you going to vote for ‘safe’ candidates in the primaries, candidates who will likely help pull the football away again?  Or are you going organize around better Democrats (or just vote fucking Green already)?

*Don’t underestimate the potential deterrence this could have provided, even while the Democrats were in the minority.  With a steady dose of filibustering, not to mention meaningful threats of criminal accountability should the Democrats have gained congressional majorities or even the White House, the Bushies may have been contained, at least to a degree.

Comment #11: Sam Holloway  on  01/28  at  01:08 PM

Yeah, Steve, I’m very frustrated, but I’m with DTG.  As a gay man, civil rights for all people and health care are high on my agenda.  I’m angry that there will be no public option and that promises made to LGBT folks are being forgotten.  But I remember Reagan doing nothing about AIDS research.  If it were up to the GOP, people like me would be dead.  It’s not that Obama is so great, it’s that the Republicans are truly that bad.  When we sit back and let Scott Brown get elected, dems think they need to be more conservative.  When progressive citizens get so demoralized that they don’t vote, we lose important ground.  We have to work to get more and better democrats at every level.  Really, Obama is not that great, but still a shitload better.

Comment #12: jackspratt  on  01/28  at  01:10 PM

Lesser evils are both evil and lesser.

I share all the frustrations with this administration mentioned in this thread. But I also think it’s a lot better than McCain-Palin would have been. Thus, I’m very happy I supported Obama in the fall of 2008, despite getting more or less what I expected from him thus far.  I remain unhappy about the fact that my choices in the fall of 2008 were Obama-Biden or McCain-Palin (and, no, Clinton-Whoever would have been no better).  And I’m unsure how to work toward better choices in the future. Having been a very active Green for a number of years, I’m not optimistic about that party’s ability to get to the next level. And though I’ve been hearing the “more and better Democrats” mantra for a decade, we seem to have more Democrats, but few of them seem much better. “Primary them!” sounds good, but it rarely works, especially when each race is treated as a separate contest. Changing the Democratic Party would need to start with nationalizing the intraparty squabbles and intensifying the resolve (and ruthlessness) of the party’s left wing.  I don’t know how to do this, humanly or organizationally. I do think the rise of the conservatives within the GOP (c. 1960 - c. 1980 and beyond) provides a very rough model.

Comment #13: Ben Alpers  on  01/28  at  01:23 PM

Above all, I feel Obama blew his chance to really lead Congress out of this health care debacle.

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Democrats hope to win by painting Republicans as little children screaming, “Nooooooo!”, even on super popular legislation.  That’s a great idea!  But they don’t have the guts to actually follow through.

This is a good illustration of the on-going tragedy of the Democratic Party in power: legislators who are hapless, incompetent, and cowardly; and an executive who’s unwilling or unable to crack the whip on them.

The SotU address is a wide-ranging speech targetted at the lowest common denominator, so I never expect much in terms of substance—he’s addressing sequential and linear thinkers to whom concepts like economic scale are incomprehensible (which is why he had to equate personal belt-tightening with government belt-tightening).

However, Obama did blow the opportunity to make himself look good and Congress look like what they are. A SotU address is one of the few public interactions between the executive and legislative branches where the former (within the broad confines of the Constitution) calls all the shots, and Obama could have done a lot more with that opportunity.

Comment #14: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  01:29 PM

“What is made in the U.S.?  The “entertainment” category yields a clue - intellectual property type stuff.  Drugs, software, some hardware, biotechnology.  Advanced robotics.  Also, entertainment is a big category and a significant industry, as is defense, and is worth more than your casually dismissive “entertainment and bombs.””

...true, although not every American or even most Americans are fit to work in “intellectual property type stuff”, any more than people in any other country.  “Intellectual property type stuff” cannot provide full employment, and it’s foolish to think so.

Not only that, but the implication behind the idea that Americans can produce intellectual property and stay ahead of our competitors in the world is based on a fundamentally ignorant American exceptionalism (“‘Mericans are jus smarter an more creative than everyone else, hoo rah!”) that probably has never been true, and most certainly isn’t true now. 

We are only ahead in some areas of intellectual property because we got there first.  But you best believe there are a hell of a lot of smart and creative individuals who are not Americans.  In the past we could expect many of them to come to the US because of opportunity.  But as we turn American into a political and cultural toilet, we become much less attractive.  And there are more and more attractive opportunities outside the US.

We don’t have a hope in hell if we can’t get the heavy boot of the economic elites off America’s neck.  We are being strangled by the efforts of the upper class to maintain its privileged position in society and politics: practically exempt from taxes (at least their fair share), almost legally unaccountable, and politically untouchable.  If the country continues to be constructed entirely for their exclusive benefit, we’re doomed. 

As American becomes untenable, the slash-‘n-burn economic elites will pack up and move to some other exploitable place, while the bible-thumping Dominionists wait for the collapse so they can collect the pieces and construct their Gilead…

Comment #15: MikeEss  on  01/28  at  01:30 PM

The computer industry, including chip-making, is huge in the U.S.  That’s nothing to sniff at.  We do need more jobs like that and fewer service industry jobs, of course, which is why I think “clean energy” needs to stop being a buzzword or a cover story for coal and gas, and start becoming a reality.  We could be world leaders on this.  It would make us so much money.

Comment #16: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/28  at  01:37 PM

I share all the frustrations with this administration mentioned in this thread. But I also think it’s a lot better than McCain-Palin would have been.

Well sure, but a year into the Obama administration we really have to stop judging him by that ultra-low bar.

I don’t know how to do this, humanly or organizationally. I do think the rise of the conservatives within the GOP (c. 1960 - c. 1980 and beyond) provides a very rough model.

Agreed. However, I don’t know if liberals and progressives possess ruthless, top-down, money-driven attitude that the Republicans do. It’s going to be a longer slog, with efforts like ActBlue’s to channel the donation and support input points away from the DCCC and even to the DNC, sluicing it directly to candidates who haven’t forgotten the party’s core values.

And while I don’t think liberals are inclined to set up their own version of the right’s Mighty Wurlitzer (the pseudo-academic think tanks, the doctrinaire leadership programmes, the astroturf operations, the propaganda media outlets), we could benefit by finding other paths to the results they generate.

Comment #17: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  01:41 PM

We make plenty in the U.S., in fact more than we did in the ‘70s. It’s just that it’s become very very automated (i.e. the steel industry), so it employs fewer people while having higher productivity.

Comment #18: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  01:44 PM

“We could be world leaders on this.  It would make us so much money.”

Absolutely correct.  But the “non-clean” energy interests have such immense sway over American economic and political decision making that “we” will choose / have already chosen not to take a leadership role in clean/renewable energy.  And without a viable manufacturing base, we don’t have a lot to work with in any case.  So even if an American solves all our energy problems, the devices utilizing that great idea/ideas will be made elsewhere, and America as a nation will get very little benefit…

Comment #19: MikeEss  on  01/28  at  01:46 PM

See this graph:

http://www.ldesign.com/Images/Essays/GlobalWarming/Part1/Activities/USIndustrialProd1790-2006LogScale.png

Again, it’s just that instead of having big steel mills that employ thousands, we now have small micromills that employ maybe 100 people at best to keep the machines running, while producing the same amount of steel.

Comment #20: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  01:46 PM

Amanda, I’m going to have to disagree with you about the earmarks.  Here in my backwater, there have been a couple of possible projects, one mass transit rail expansion.  Fought because it was seen as giving access to “those people” to move to white flight, car-only-accessible areas. In doing so, matching federal monies will be lost.

Two road projects - one fought by a coalition of environmentalists/farmers/locals as unnecessary and destructive, but supported by developers.

The other is rebuilding of a recently collapsed bridge - reTHUG state powers are actually fighting rebuilding.  Regions aren’t monolithic in their attitude towards the projects earmarks fund. e.g., “bridge to nowhere.”

RE: .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).  One thing we’d better realize right now is that many American universities will collapse without the direct infusion of exorbitant tuition charged to recruited foreign students - and boy do they recruit - and this includes state universities.

Comment #21: phylosopher  on  01/28  at  01:47 PM

When I or anyone else criticizes the President, it might be useful to get out of the “set expectations dictate one’s right to complain” framework.  “What did you expect?” is not useful.  However well-intended, the result is to shame and control one’s ability to make demands on the President.  What I expected was irrelevant.  What I’m doing is making demands.

The Democrats are in the cowardly position they are because they buy into this framework of meeting expectations or defying them, but not respecting demands.  It wasn’t always this way.  The civil rights movement is a cliche for a reason—-instead of sitting around and waiting for a signal from our leadership that they were ready to move, civil rights leaders shoved right past that timidity and made demands.  Same with feminism.  Same with gay rights. 

You don’t pressure by weighing expectations.  You pressure by making demands.

Comment #22: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/28  at  01:48 PM

Possibly, phyl, but the vast majority of things called “earmarks” don’t fit your concerns.  Again, it’s irrelevant.  The administration has no power to slice pork out.  Congress creates the budget.  Obama is not going to shut down the government in a showdown with Congress to find pork and cut it out.  He can’t even take leadership on health care reform. 

It’s stupid, and it’s not going to happen.  If they want to cut spending somewhere, they have to start with federal programs.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/28  at  01:51 PM

I can imagine the scene in the control room last night, with the Millenial interns looking puzzled, the Gen Xer writers and producers face-palming themselves, the Boomers in charge of the broadcast slow on the uptake, and the few Silent executives nodding along with Matthews.

I think you may have Matthews age off slightly, assuming you’re placing him solidly in the middle of the Silent Generation… he was literally born on the line between the Silent Gen and the Boomers, in mid-December 1945.  Had he been born two weeks later, he would arguably be considered a Boomer, since 1946 is considered the first year (and the biggest year in terms of birthrate) of the Baby Boomers.

But yeah, I do think Matthews comment is as much as anything a reflection of his generational thinking.

I’m hesitant to call it overtly racist, however, because I think overt racism requires a degree of malice which I don’t believe Matthews had in the comment.  I would probably characterize it as racially insensitive or perhaps racially offensive; clearly he realized after the fact that it came out sounding really bad, but I think the fact that he was embarrassed enough by it to try to walk it back indicates that he genuinely wasn’t trying to make a racist statement.

I realize that it’s just semantics, but there is objectively a difference between this sort of comment by Matthews and Pat buchanan saying something blatantly offensive like “white people basically built this country”, which IS pretty blatantly racist.  When we characterize both things as being the same, we lose sight of the fact that there are people who are willfully malevolent in their attitudes towards minorities and people who are willfully ignorant in that regard.  Matthews is ignorant, but Buchanan is actually malevolent.

Obviously comments like the one made by Matthews are offensive enough that they need to be called out and criticized, but lumping it together with a lot of the far more intentionally offensive comments others have diminishes just how truly offensive the comments made by people like Buchanan really are.

It’s a matter of nuance, but nuance is critical in these matters; there’s a lot of gray area in racial insensitivity in terms of just how bad different things are, and I know very few white people (myself included) who have never in their lives ever had a racially insensitive thought or said a racially insensitive thing - if we’re all the equivalent of Nathaniel Bedford Forrest if we’ve ever said or done anything even remotely racist in our lives, it doesn’t allow much room for growth or progress.

Anyway, on a broader scale than just race issues, I’ve been thinking a lot about the importance of nuance in all sorts of political matters lately.  I got into a fight with somebody on DKos when a discussion came up about whether or not it would be good for progressives to support Charlie Crist running as a Democrat in the Florida U.S. Senate election.  By all objective measures, the current Democrat in that race, Kendrick Meek, doesn’t have a prayer of winning the general election, regardless of whether he is facing Charlie Crist or Marco Rubio - every poll shows him losing badly to either one, and he lacks the name recognition and the money to pose a serious challenge.  As of this week, Rubio has pulled ahead of Crist in a one on one poll among Republicans, whereas he previously led Rubio by 30 points a few months ago (Martha Coakley redux).  Crist will not be elected to the U.S. Senate as a Republican, which means that if he stays in the GOP, Rubio will get the nomination, and almost certainly go on to become Florida’s next U.S. Senator.  But if Crist switches sides and becomes a Democrat, he polls very favorably against Rubio when ALL Florida voters are polled (as opposed to just Republicans), and could beat Rubio in a general election.

If elected to the U.S. Senate as a Democrat, Charlie Crist woul almost certainly be a bluedog type of Democrat.  Nothing for progressives to get terribly excited about.

But the question is this: if the only two viable choices are a bluedog Democrat who will be with us some of the time and a teabagger Republican who will be with us none of the time, which is the better choice objectively?

I argued that if Meek truly is as unelectable as the analysts say he is, the next best choice would be Charlie Crist as a Democrat; certainly not a very good alternative, but still arguably better than a total wingnut like Rubio.

And all of the purists howled, because some of us have become so frustrated by milquetoast politicians on our side of the aisle that we often forget that an annoying conservative Democrat is still easily better than a wingnut Republican.

Comment #24: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  01:51 PM

Oh shit.  I just posted that extremely long comment above in the wrong thread.  Sorry if it causes confusion.

Comment #25: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  01:52 PM

So Ben, the idea would be to take that productivity and spread the profit from it around so that American workers could work less hour and still get a decent standard of living.  There are two ways of doing that - one is to use our current capitalist system using shares of ownership (stock).  Problem is we need stock redistribution, of course.  The other is direct cash to all, a socialist plan.  It constantly amazes me that we can’t see how really similar these two systems are, it’s just that people keep (wrongly) insisting that the former is a meritocracy, when it isn’t.

Comment #26: phylosopher  on  01/28  at  01:54 PM

“There are huge swaths of federal spending that should be cut because they create major problems… “

LOL. Amanda, you have a very strange idea of what constitutes a “huge swath” of federal spending.

Comment #27: CTD  on  01/28  at  01:58 PM

he other is direct cash to all, a socialist plan.

Is that like the “reverse income tax” Nixon once considered?

Comment #28: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  01:59 PM

“We make plenty in the U.S., in fact more than we did in the ‘70s. It’s just that it’s become very very automated (i.e. the steel industry), so it employs fewer people while having higher productivity.”

...and people who are not employed or under-employed because what’s left of American industry employs fewer people don’t get any benefit from that higher productivity.  In fact, the productivity gains do not help very many at all except (maybe) the stockholders, the Wall Streeters, and the higher-ups in the corporations who steer the profits to themselves.  It’s a recipe for Third-World status…

Comment #29: MikeEss  on  01/28  at  01:59 PM

@ DTG, I’m no more confused than usual!

Amanda, I agree that we need to pressure Obama from the left, and I think that gay rights activists are showing the way with that.  They are making demands.  Looks like they’re going to get met too.

I just don’t fall in with the let’s crawl into bed with Grover Norquist and start demanding Ken Starr like investigations into the adminstration, burn the house down! crowd.  I know what’s going to move into that house.

I am all for primary challenges, and I put my money where my mouth is on that.

Comment #30: JennyLI  on  01/28  at  02:00 PM

Er, negative income tax, I think it was called.

Comment #31: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  02:01 PM

What is made in the U.S.?  The “entertainment” category yields a clue - intellectual property type stuff.

The problem is that knowledge industries, even when you include support staff, employ a relatively small portion of the population, and that trend is only increasing due to automation and constant productivity gains.

Complicating the situation (and this goes directly to Amanda’s comment about college funding), roughly 80% of the jobs being created in the near future will require a college education of one sort or another, and only about 36% of Americans will have a post-secondary degree.

So we’re creating an unsustainable (or very inefficient and wasteful) consumer economy that will see a lot of peopl. We need to maintain a manufacturing base (which will be outstripped by China in less than 2 decades), but we’re not adapting properly.

There are signs of hope (see this rather optimistic but still informative Wired article on American micro-industries), but to make them happen the government must make vocational training and education a priority, and must shift the focus its business-support efforts from large dinosaur incumbents and welfare cases to small and agile entrepreneurs and micro-fabricators.

Instead, we’re limiting education opportunities and plowing money into companies on the basis that they’re “too big to fail”—even when they stopped adding real value years ago.

And while I agree that free trade is an overall positive, I’d argue that NAFTA and similar treaties, with their preferential treatment to make up for the U.S.‘s shortcomings, don’t really fit that bill.

Comment #32: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  02:03 PM

And while I agree that free trade is an overall positive, I’d argue that NAFTA and similar treaties, with their preferential treatment to make up for the U.S.’s shortcomings, don’t really fit that bill.

Yes, NAFTA is managed trade,  not free trade.

I oppose protectionism too because all you’re doing is shutting off the developing world from being able to, well, develop and get out of poverty.

Comment #33: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  02:05 PM

CTD, sorry, but the stuff Obama will never suggest touching is enormous compared to this little boondoggle here or there.  Moreover, the “we don’t have money” whining will start to sound very silly if the banks are forced to pay back their loans, which is supposedly going to happen.

I don’t think enough people, including myself, are reminding everyone that a freeze would mean a reduction in spending, due to inflation.  During a recession.  When most spending goes into the the economy.

I just don’t fall in with the let’s crawl into bed with Grover Norquist and start demanding Ken Starr like investigations into the adminstration, burn the house down! crowd.

I’d say that’s a strawman.  Outside of some rabble-rousing at Firedoglake, neither is anyone else.

Comment #34: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/28  at  02:09 PM

The only thing I gotta say about the spending freeze is that the framing and politics of it are stupid, while the impact (both on the deficit, and the economy) will be minimal. What I hate most is that it buys into Republican frames, not that I fear it’s going to be “Hooverism”. Much to small to have that outcome, especially when you’re starting from the huge 2010 budget as a baseline.

Comment #35: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  02:12 PM

I think you may have Matthews age off slightly, assuming you’re placing him solidly in the middle of the Silent Generation… he was literally born on the line between the Silent Gen and the Boomers, in mid-December 1945.

I’m aware of his age. There are a lot of grey areas and overlap when you talk about generations and generational attitudes. This is where factors like education and geography and career come in. For example, Obama is technically a Boomer, but he exhibits a more Gen X approach. Similarly, Matthews is more of a Boomer than a Silent. But both still pull in vestigial aspects of their “technical” generation, and this is an instance of that.

I’m hesitant to call it overtly racist, however, because I think overt racism requires a degree of malice which I don’t believe Matthews had in the comment.

Racism can come from a paternalistic, patronising, and kindly place—“trying to help our little brown brothers” and that sort of thing. Yes, Tweety caught himself and is appropriately embarrassed; yes, he isn’t a nasty racist and anti-semite like Buchanan, who’s hell-bent on exclusion. But when liberals and progressives see racism, in whatever form, it’s our responsibility to call it out as such.

Comment #36: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  02:14 PM

Yeah, we might be fighting two wars and escalating one of those

Under McCain, we would likely have THREE wars (Afghanistan, Iraq, AND Iran) and probably wouldn’t be de-escalating any of them (Iraq).

and might have catastrophic levels of unemployment that show no sign at all of abating

While having U3 stagnating around 10% could perhaps be called “catastrophic”, having a U3 at 15%+ is even more catastrophicer (yeah, I made that word up, because while I think it’s not totally unreasonable to call the current unemployment level “catastrophic”, the word is so superlative that it makes it very difficult to differentiate the current climate with that of the 1930s, where unemployment was 2.5 times worse).  I’m honestly not trying to minimize just how bad things currently are (I’m part of the nearly 20% U6 number and I’m feeling the pain personally), just pointing out that they actually could be much, much worse, and they actually were much, much worse at a previous time in our history.  If McCain were POTUS, I think we would probably be pining for the days when the U3 was only at 10% right now.

and might be enabling criminal banksters to pay themselves huge bonuses out of our pockets as their reward for screwing us while we do nothing for the desperate homeowners who were their victims

Not much to argue with there, though I do think President McCain wouldn’t even be talking about financial regulatory reform, and would probably be preparing for a second TARP bill that would be an explicit grant rather than a loan to the big banksters.

and might be trampling on civil liberties in the name of the “war on terror”.

President McCain would probably have expanded GITMO operations and introduced a second, even more aggressive Patriot Act to further limit our civil liberties.


These are all valid criticisms, and while I think progressives absolutely should call out President Obama for his failure to more effectively reverse the course George Bush put us on, at a minimum we must acknowledge that he has at least slowed it down, if not reversed it.  I honestly believe that President McCain would likely be ratcheting a lot of Bush’s failures up a notch - when Republicans first get elected POTUS, they go gangbusters in pushing through a lot of their most wingnutty shit in their first years in office.

Comment #37: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  02:14 PM

MikeEss: not every American or even most Americans are fit to work in “intellectual property type stuff”, any more than people in any other country

This is true and important—if by “fit to work in” you mean generally suited for it, not just in terms of education & training. The idea that if all jobs of type X go away, everyone can just learn to do job Y, has been accepted almost without question for decades—at least by politicians and executives, I’m not sure anyone else ever really bought it, but we’ve proceeded as if it’s true and it’s been really bad for the country. Even assuming a 100% level playing field and access to all the education anyone could ever want, it would still be stupid. Just because someone can learn to do a job doesn’t mean they’ll have any interest in that kind of thing, or any particular gift for it.

I can’t remember who I was reading recently who observed that when people complain about shitty service and bad attitudes in all sorts of customer service positions, they’re not necessarily just being cranky old Andy Rooneys; it’s really plausible that people have gotten worse at that stuff in the last generation, and not because they’re dumber, but because there are lots of people taking customer service jobs who just aren’t well suited for those jobs. They’re temperamentally not inclined to talk to lots of strangers, or cubicles and fluorescent lights drive them crazier than they would drive someone else, or their family situation makes the job impractical, etc. And 30 years ago there would’ve been some other kind of job they could try, but increasingly there just isn’t—it’s all service industry of one kind or another. So you end up with a lot of people who have learned how to do the job, but it’s just really really not their thing, so of course they’re not going to be good at it. And I’m just talking here about jobs that are theoretically okay jobs—not crappy low-paying pointless things that no one in their right mind would like. (This effect tends to make the former more like the latter, though. If all the kids who would’ve otherwise gone into factory jobs now become phone operators, then a 50-year-old phone operator who’s really good it at it and is valued for her work is likely to be replaced by a new kid who’s bad at it and is treated like an interchangeable part, and paid worse.)

Comment #38: Hob  on  01/28  at  02:15 PM

Sorry, posted #36 in the wrong thread. Please ignore

Comment #39: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  02:17 PM

“Outside of some rabble-rousing at Firedoglake, neither is anyone else.”

I’d argue that rabble-rousing serves an important purpose: reminding the people at the top that not all the people at the bottom are stupid and naive, and they won’t sit around patiently waiting forever. 

And I can’t blame Jane Hamsher and the rest for being pissed off.  (Jane’s a 3-time loser in the cancer lottery.  I’m a two-time loser.  Given that people like us don’t really know how much time we have left, it’s easy to understand why we want action sooner rather than later…)

The Bastille will be stormed if things don’t change, at least metaphorically…

Comment #40: MikeEss  on  01/28  at  02:21 PM

I thought it was a good enough speech, except I was surprised and a little disconcerted that he didn’t mention Afghanistan at all.

Comment #41: Bitter Scribe  on  01/28  at  02:24 PM

Actually, rebelliousjezebel, they’ve been outsourcing some of the military manufacturing. And I’m uneasy about giving the Chinese the blueprints to build our aircraft carriers, etc.
At least the government could do was insist on American workers being given jobs here in the States to make the war machines.

Comment #42: Samantha Vimes  on  01/28  at  02:34 PM

At least the government could do was insist on American workers being given jobs here in the States to make the war machines.


Or Christ, I mean, at least outsource it to a friendly developing country like India or Brazil!

Comment #43: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  02:37 PM

I agree, MikeEss @#40.  The right-wingers understand the value of rabble-rousing, which is why they’ve invested so much money and time into rousing their rabble (through various outlets of the Right Wing Noise Machine, including the Tea Party numbskullery).  In the current state of the system the left will never have the money and connections of the right, so our rabble-rousing will have to be more vigorous and, perhaps, less predictable.  As much as I’ve seen Obama criticized for playing to the strengths of the GOP, I would argue that he’s following the lead of most Democratic voters.

Comment #44: Sam Holloway  on  01/28  at  02:44 PM

Do the right’s rabble rousers get into bed with prominent leftists?  Did they call for investigations into the Bush white house?  I’d like to see some examples of that, if it did happen, I missed it? 

It’s not a strawman btw.  Though I guess if you don’t hang out in Digby’s comments sections, and don’t have a lot of friends in the anti-war and Green left, you might not know that it’s a bit more widespread than FDL.

Comment #45: JennyLI  on  01/28  at  03:21 PM

rj @4:
See http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/Press-Release/2009pr/11/
Short version: Food, feeds, beverages (ag and food industries); Industrial Supplies and materials (agriculture, mines, mills, factories, etc); Capital, non-auto (forestry, mills, factories, etc); Automotive vehicles, parts and engines; consumer goods.
The US is both one of the biggest exporters and importers in the world.  We export oil, cotton, electricity, soybeans….
My spouse makes industrial instrumentation and sensors for export.

Comment #46: helen w. h.  on  01/28  at  03:44 PM

What prominent leftists?

Comment #47: Sam Holloway  on  01/28  at  03:48 PM

Yes let’s get angry at Jane Hamsher. Because having insufficient faith in Rahm Emmanuel, that’s what’s destroying healthcare reform.

Comment #48: Dan  on  01/28  at  03:52 PM

Being not as bad as the other guy is one thing in “normal” times, but if you believe as I do that this country is in real trouble and is on the brink of a long period of serious relative decline and perhaps even instability, it starts to seem a little less acceptable.

Comment #49: Steve LaBonne  on  01/28  at  04:13 PM

The aircraft manufacturing industry is still mostly here, and might provide a model of how to bring things back.  I’d guess aircraft haven’t been outsourced for three reasons.
1.  This is industry specific, but it takes a ton of geographic space to build airplanes, and the American midwest has some of the cheapest real estate for the industry. 
2.  Still unionized.  There’s an advantage for the unions in the fact that aircraft are complicated, so you can’t just hire random people off the street to make them during a strike.  At least for small aircraft, a lot of the work is more efficiently done by hand still too, because nobody needs to churn out thousands of planes a year.  It doesn’t make sense to design and build complicated robots that only have to perform their actions 200 times a year.  Affordable custom clothing and shoes might make inroads here, as a micro industry.  I, for one, would love to buy custom made shoes, since I have no arches and can’t find any type of comfortable shoe. 
3.  Inspection requirements.  There is a ton of safety inspecting involved in producing airplanes, so it’s still cheaper to build them here than to outsource.  The government does the inspections, and won’t pay to send people to do the inspections.  So manufacturers set up operations near the FAA.

Comment #50: Emaloo  on  01/28  at  04:37 PM

The problem is that reinforcing Republican frames is very, very dangerous.  Even if this means nothing on the books, it does in fact pay out in elections.

Comment #51: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/28  at  05:30 PM

WTF is up with all the talk about Rahm Emmaneul as if he’s some kind of super-villan grey eminence behind the throne?

He’s an ex-Congressman from Illinois, not freaking Lex Luthor.

Comment #52: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  05:48 PM

WTF is up with all the talk about Rahm Emmaneul as if he’s some kind of super-villan grey eminence behind the throne?

Throughout the history off the presidency, the White House Chief of Staff has very often been in a position to be the second most powerful man in the Administration, as he is the ultimate gatekeeper for the President of the United States.  Unless the president specifically calls on someone, nobody gets into the Oval Office without going through the CoS first.

Rahm wasn’t just a random Congressman from Illinois prior to becoming WH Chief of Staff; he was head of the DCCC and the second most influential person in crafting the Democratic Party’s electoral strategy behind Howard Dean, and the two men had epic clashes when they worked together, because they represented polar opposite strategic visions on what was best for the party.  Howard Dean won that battle while he was running the DNC, but now that he’s an outsider, Rahm has made it his mission to try to make Dean as irrelevant as possible, largely because Dean is a winner and Rahm is a loser in terms of actual success in competing campaign strategies (see Tammy Duckworth’s $1 Million failed Congressional campaign for an illustration of Rahm’s cluelessness about what works and doesn’t work on the ground - she wasn’t the right fit for the district Rahm tapped her to run in).

The animosity towards Rahm from progressives is because he is a 100% DLC Clintonite Democrat - Mr. 50%+1 Terry McAuliffe practically mentored Rahm Emmauel in the 1990s when he was basically just a kid cutting his teeth on DC politics in the Clinton Administration.  That era of the Democratic Party came to embrace the conservative meme that America is a center-right country and unabashed liberalism is something to be ashamed of, and that for the Democratic Party to win, they had to present themselves as the “more sane conservative party”.  The end result was that it got Clinton elected twice with less than 50% of the vote, and did absolutely nothing else for just about every other Democrat running in less than soldily blue territories.

The whole “red state, blue state” meme existed before the 1990s, but the Democratic strategists of the 90s did a lot to reinforce that toxic theme and further convince Americans that we are nothing more than a nation of red states and blue states.

The current Democratic strategist with clout that I still have some faith in is David Plouffe, Obama’s campaign manager in 2008.  Unlike Axelrod, Gibbs, and Jarrett, he stayed outside of the Administration and wrote a book after the election was over.  He’s also been running OFA, but word is he’s going to be given a little more room to work his magic now that the Democrats recognize they could be facing a really tough November.

Plouffe is the guy who Obama described as having run “the smartest political campaign in the history of America” in his victory speech on Election Night in 2008.  He really does seem to “get it”, and hopefully he can help turn things around in the field before November.

Comment #53: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  06:23 PM

Not only that, but the implication behind the idea that Americans can produce intellectual property and stay ahead of our competitors in the world is based on a fundamentally ignorant American exceptionalism (“‘Mericans are jus smarter an more creative than everyone else, hoo rah!”) that probably has never been true, and most certainly isn’t true now.

Intellectual property also depends on other people playing by the rules.  I imagine if the Americans piss off the Chinese over, say, debt, the Chinese will be using enforcement of intellectual property law as a big club.

But as helen points out, that’s not the whole story. Indeed, lookingf at her site, you import significantly more “advanced technology products” than you export.

Comment #54: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/28  at  06:25 PM

And while I’ve also stated that the US may suffer because Obama is no FDR, I’ve recently seen a comment pointing out that no-one can ever be FDR these days.

Comment #55: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/28  at  06:29 PM

hroughout the history off the presidency, the White House Chief of Staff has very often been in a position to be the second most powerful man in the Administration, as he is the ultimate gatekeeper for the President of the United States.  Unless the president specifically calls on someone, nobody gets into the Oval Office without going through the CoS first.

Yeah, but unless he’s a mental midget like George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, the President brings his advisers closer to his way of thinking, not the other way around.

Comment #56: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  06:32 PM

WTF is up with all the talk about Rahm Emmaneul as if he’s some kind of super-villan grey eminence behind the throne?

His position White House Chief of Staff (and it is a powerful one) and his Congressional experience requires him to crack the whip with the legislative branch when it comes to pushing the sort of health care reform Obama was promising. Instead, the normally pugnacious Emanuel has allowed the Blue Dogs to get away with draining any meaningful reform out of what’s supposed to be Obama’s bill.

He’s not Lex Luthor (although he likes to act the part), but he’s also neither powerless nor a particular help to the progressive wing of the party. He’s a neoliberal DLC centrist who’s more concerned with continued bigcorp support of the party than with rank-and-file voters, and he only becomes aggressive with Congress when it works to the advantage of corporations.

Yeah, but unless he’s a mental midget like George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, the President brings his advisers closer to his way of thinking, not the other way around.

Obama really isn’t far off from Emanuel when it comes to economic ideology (Chicago School guys dominate both parties), and Emanuel is very capable and aggressive when he wants to be. That last is important because Obama values smart, capable advisors who can think for themselves.

[All that’s not to say that Jane Hamsher, with her on-going grudge against Obama (for beating Clinton in 2008), is very helpful in this process, either]

Comment #57: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  06:39 PM

So Ben Bernanke just got reconfirmed by the U.S. Senate 70-30 (Fucking brilliant! Blech.), and many of the 30 senators who voted against him are some of the strangest bedfellows I’ve ever seen:

Feingold, Merkley, Sanders, Specter, Bayh, Vitter, McCain, Brownback, Ensign, and DeMint - that list includes both some of the biggest progressives and some of the biggest teabaggers in the U.S. Senate.

Strange mix, but more evidence right now that populism is king, and the establishment is the enemy in wildly divergent crowds.

Comment #58: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  06:41 PM

Re Rahm, I’m with Ben D.- the cossacks work for the Czar.

Comment #59: Steve LaBonne  on  01/28  at  06:41 PM

I imagine if the Americans piss off the Chinese over, say, debt, the Chinese will be using enforcement of intellectual property law as a big club.

It’s not like they even bother to enforce intellectual property law in China right now on behalf of American or any country. You can find knock-offs and pirated versions of Japanese and European products all over the place. Piracy is rampant in China, and their government pretty much looks the other way.

Comment #60: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  06:42 PM

And that’s also why the real country of the future isn’t China, but in the long-term it will be India. They have the same number of people and industrial potential but also a functioning democracy, civil liberties, and follow the rule of law.

The 21st Century is not going to be led by a country that censors half the internet.

Comment #61: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  06:47 PM

Yeah, but unless he’s a mental midget like George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan, the President brings his advisers closer to his way of thinking, not the other way around.

Obama is no mental midget, but by his own admission, he considers himself more of a listener than a talker - it’s why Obama was able to be close friends with wingnuts like Tom Coburn while he was in the U.S. Senate, despite the fact that Coburn is one of the most conservative members of that body.

Look at the whole HCR debacle - a lot of people rightly believe it would have not gotten so far off the rails had he taken a more hands on approach from the beginning rather than leaving it to Congress to fuck it up.

He’s a classic delegator.  Which isn’t inherently a bad thing, but he lets other people shape his vision as much as he brings his own independent ideas to the table.

Obama is influenced by his inner circle, and Rahm is very much inside that inner circle, very likely at the most influential spot in that circle.

Comment #62: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  06:47 PM

Look at the whole HCR debacle - a lot of people rightly believe it would have not gotten so far off the rails had he taken a more hands on approach from the beginning rather than leaving it to Congress to fuck it up.

That was his decision because he over-learned the lessons of 1994, where Bill and Hillary drafted the bill in secret, then went in like monarchs and told the Congress “this is what you will pass”, and backfired horribly.

Comment #63: Ben D.  on  01/28  at  06:50 PM

Strange mix, but more evidence right now that populism is king, and the establishment is the enemy in wildly divergent crowds.

I don’t know if I’d call Vitter, McCain, Brownback, Ensign and DeMint populists in this case. They’re just voting to score political points for the GOP—Obama could have put forward Ayn Rand for the position and they’d still have voted no.

Comment #64: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  06:52 PM

Look at the whole HCR debacle - a lot of people rightly believe it would have not gotten so far off the rails had he taken a more hands on approach from the beginning rather than leaving it to Congress to fuck it up.

That was his decision because he over-learned the lessons of 1994, where Bill and Hillary drafted the bill in secret, then went in like monarchs and told the Congress “this is what you will pass”, and backfired horribly.

I agree that using the failed Clinton strategy of 1993-94 would have been a disaster, and I appreciate that he didn’t want to repeat that mistake, but I think he went way too far in the opposite direction in how he should have handled it.

He shouldn’t have tried to be an authoritarian dictator on the issue, but clearly his strategy of “just gimme something, anything to sign” hasn’t worked out too well either.  This bill was supposed to be over and done with by the end of Summer 2009.  Then October.  Then Thanksgiving.  Then Christmas.  Then before the State of the Union.  And now with the whole Scott Brown fiasco, it’s hit a point where they aren’t even giving timelines anymore, because they haven’t come to a consensus about how to move forward at this point.  We may still be dealing with trying to get HCR passed this summer at this rate.

There is a middle ground between trying to completely run the show by himself and taking a virtually 100% hands-off approach, and I think we might have already gotten something passed by now had he taken a more involved approach in the process.

Comment #65: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  07:02 PM

That was his decision because he over-learned the lessons of 1994, where Bill and Hillary drafted the bill in secret, then went in like monarchs and told the Congress “this is what you will pass”, and backfired horribly.

Rahm Emanuel is one of the advisors (but far from the only one) who “helped” him over-learn that lesson. Combine that with Emanuel’s reluctance to do his job when it comes to whipping (a Democratic majority) Congress on this issue, and you can see why we consider him part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

There’s a balance to getting these things done: “hey Congressional Democratic majority, you get to draft the bill and look like the heroes. But because I know you’re a bunch of poltroons and conservative wolves in Dem clothing, if I don’t see the following list of must-have general items in the final product, I’m gonna get my attack dog Rahm to make your lives miserable.”

Comment #66: Gracchus.  on  01/28  at  07:12 PM

I don’t know if I’d call Vitter, McCain, Brownback, Ensign and DeMint populists in this case. They’re just voting to score political points for the GOP—Obama could have put forward Ayn Rand for the position and they’d still have voted no.

Well, Jim DeMint is certainly quite well liked by the teabagger crew right now, and I think we should acknowledge that those people aren’t just a threat in the sense of the possible violence they could provoke, but an actual electoral threat at the polls… see Brown, Scott.  Two million people voted in MA, so he didn’t win that race by getting lucky with a low turnout and cruising in on just the votes of upper middle class people.  A lot of blue collar low-info voters chose Brown, including 1/4 of Obama voters, because they saw him as the anti-establishment candidate.

The three most widely unpopular people involved in Obama’s fiscal policy right now are Ben Bernanke, Tim Geithner, and Larry Summers.  Progressives loathe that trio, but so do the teabaggers.

I don’t see 2010 as being so much of an anti-Democratic election year as I see it as an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment election year.  Teabaggers and progressives are pretty united in their disdain of TARP and bank bailouts - if you check the Congressional vote on TARP in 2008, you’ll see a nearly equal number of wingnut teabagger types voting against it as there were progressives.  Look at who two of the biggest proponents calling for an audit of the Fed are - Dennis Kucinich and Ron freaking Paul.

If politically uninformed folks are still hurting at the kitchen table caucus in November, they are gonna vote against the people they perceive to be running the show - mostly Democrats.

Comment #67: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  07:19 PM

I do agree that they are primarily voting “no” just for the sake of voting “no” against anything Obama proposes, but in this case, their “no” vote actually represents a populist viewpoint, even if unintentionally.  And I think to some degree they recognize the populist sentiment against the Three Stooges (Bernanke, Geithner, Summers), and they are more than happy to tap into that to lure some Independents their way.

And it’s working to some degree - because opposition to those three is a politically popular position to hold with centrists, regardless of whether your base is teabaggers or progressives.

Comment #68: DTG in STL  on  01/28  at  07:25 PM

I don’t see 2010 as being so much of an anti-Democratic election year as I see it as an anti-incumbent, anti-establishment election year.

Trust me, it’ll be spun as an anti-Democratic year.

“Well, Tim, these placards reading ‘A curse on BOTH your houses’ are certainly good news for the Republicans…”

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Comment #70: hmliverpool  on  01/28  at  11:38 PM

I don’t understand the post above.

Comment #71: Health and Fitness News  on  01/29  at  01:07 AM

Perhaps the funds the President is cutting are going to be those that go to private corporations doing government business. I know I’m being an optimist but could we be seeing an elimination of federalized profit making corporations? I can’t remember the terminology used by the previous administration when our tax money was funneled to crony’s.

Comment #72: pantherq  on  01/29  at  05:20 AM

often advertise themselves specifically as capable of squashing rebellious inclinations amongst working people.

I missed this. Where is this documented? It sounds like a damning indictment.

Comment #73: asdf  on  01/29  at  07:12 AM

When I or anyone else criticizes the President, it might be useful to get out of the “set expectations dictate one’s right to complain” framework.  “What did you expect?” is not useful.  However well-intended, the result is to shame and control one’s ability to make demands on the President.  What I expected was irrelevant.  What I’m doing is making demands.

There’s a whole blog post right there.

Comment #74: asdf  on  01/29  at  07:26 AM

~OT

Trying together PeterZeroOne’s comment on trade barriers, MikeEss’ post on exceptionalism and intellectual property and Amanda’s idea that we can become the green energy supplier to the world is this article.
The analysis *I* get from this is China will sacrifice other country’s manufacturing base to expand their own.  Because their costs are so low and they hold so much of our debt, they can pump huge subsidies into their developing manufacturing base and under cut all other countries’ costs.  This bankrupts the other countries’ manufacturing companies.

There is precedence in this from Japan doing something similar to the US steel market by using (strip-mining) many pacific islands during their ramp up before their Lost Decade.

America’s standard of living is unsustainable at current levels as other countries develop economically.  The planet just doesn’t have the resources.  MikeEss points out we’re not exceptional.  Indeed we’re not.  And by trying to maintain this unsustainable consumerist we act as a role model for developing countries.
As American’s (and I believe we all agree with this) we need to consume less, recycle more and work to save as much of our resources as possible for future generations.

Comment #75: cynickal  on  01/29  at  05:19 PM

I’m suprised - disappointed really - that not a single comment has questioned this:

“Stopping the War on Drugs is a great idea, but it would reduce the need for prisons dramatically, leading to many to be shut down and all their staff to return to the ranks of the unemployed.  Unless the federal government is willing to step up and create entire new industries where prisons are the only industry (which is true in many red states), then this could actually be a disaster for them.”

Wow. You look at the laws even many cops admit are unjust, costly, ineffective and biased against the poor and minorities (more black men in jail than college) and all you see is are jobs. As if the profit to be had from keeping humans in cages (a majority white occupation) is more important than civil rights reforms.

I guess what’s needed is more criminization so vulnerable red states are assured of a sufficient supply of profitable bodies. Bringing back debtors prison would provide not one, but two solutions to the job crisis!

Comment #76: TrenchantOkay  on  01/29  at  08:33 PM

I’m suprised - disappointed really - that not a single comment has questioned this:

No one saw fit to comment because Amanda isn’t saying that we therefore shouldn’t end the War on Drugs.

Comment #77: asdf  on  01/29  at  11:24 PM
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