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Starfucked

imageThe original Starbuck finally has a place to let the world zzzzzzzzz…

Oh, I’m sorry.  I fell asleep because this guy is so fucking boring.

Fortunately, I was young, my imagination fertile and adrenal glands strong, because bringing Starbuck to life was over the dead imaginations of a lot of Network Executives. Every character trait I struggled to give him was met with vigorous resistance. A charming womanizer? The “Suits” (Network Executives) hated it. A cigar (fumerello) smoker? The Suits hated it. A reluctant hero who found humor in the bleakest of situations? The Suits hated it. All this negative feedback convinced me I was on the right track.

The world is grateful that Dirk Benedict, and Dirk Benedict alone, gave us Starbuck and the original Battlestar Galactica.  We must also thank him for the discovery of the airless void known as “space”, the little pinpricks of light we call “stars”, and also for the Oxford comma.  That one was for you, Dirky.  And seriously, fuck writers.  What did they ever do besides provide logical endings and spell words correctly.  Too infinitee and bezond, say all of!

I appreciate that he bravely fought for a wisecracking womanizer with balls of steel.  Nobody had ever thought of thatNot once.  Beverly Hills nearly burned down when a writer suggested a steely-eyed manly man crack a joke - a joke, I say! - in the middle of a stressful situation. 

So we persevered, Starbuck and I. The show, as the saying goes, went on and the rest is history for, lo and behold, women from all over the world sent me boxes of cigars, phone numbers, dinner requests, and marriage proposals.

Excised are several sentences about how he managed to fight for the right to be a walking, smoking penis, which in turn led to his being named head of the United Nations of Tobacco-Scented Pussy.

The Suits were not impressed. They would have their way, which is what Suits do best, and after one season of puffing and flirting and gambling, Starbuck, that loveable scoundrel, was indeed fired. Which is to say, “Battlestar Galactica” was cancelled. Starbuck, however, would not stay cancelled, but simply morphed into another flirting, cigar smoking, blatant heterosexual called Faceman. Another show, another set of Suits, and of course, if The “A-Team” movie rumors prove correct, another remake.

I enjoy a great deal that Starbuck was canceled, because everyone else on the show was apparently a fucking extra.  Another reason why conservatives may not be hired in Hollywood: their propensity to declare themselves Emperor for Life of Episode #2B102-3, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”.  Kind of a dick move.

There was a time, I know I was there, when men were men, women were women and sometimes a cigar was just a good smoke. But 40 years of feminism have taken their toll. The war against masculinity has been won. Everything has turned into its opposite, so that what was once flirting and smoking is now sexual harassment and criminal. And everyone is more lonely and miserable as a result.

[...]

Women are from Venus. Men are from Mars. Hamlet does not scan as Hamletta. Nor does Hans Solo as Hans Sally. Faceman is not the same as Facewoman. Nor does a Stardoe a Starbuck make. Men hand out cigars. Women “hand out” babies. And thus the world for thousands of years has gone’ round.

The part I cut out makes two things obvious.  One, he’s watched less of the new BSG than I have of his off-Broadway production, Fuckstick Magoo Pop Wang Dookie Dong.  Two, Dirk Benedict is a giant sexist and also incredibly bitter about the fact that his

supporting

star roles have been usurped by writers and actors who think characters have deeper motivations than fucking. 

Dirk Benedict has had his legacy supplanted by someone with a vagina.  He’s a manly man, and as we all know, manly men, rather than accept new developments with grace and class, whine like little babies because someone’s taking their dusty old toy and playing with it.  Benedict thinks he’s been emasculated, while making it obvious that he had little to emasculate.  The qualities he thought he embodied because he walked around chewing on a phallic symbol and hamhandedly spouting “clever” dialogue to sparkle-clad space women were the manliness of props.  He knew he was a man, and still is a man, because he dressed like it and acted like it - “it” being what he thought a man should be, all bravado and cigars.  However, he’s an insecure child, lost and alone because someone has a cooler, shinier bike, and all the other kids are crowding around them now instead of him. 

People like Benedict offend me because they walk around feeling victimized by everyone who doesn’t cover themselves in the shiny patina of man-worship.  They’re constantly hurting because their cover for their insecurity doesn’t work at all times in all places, and so they lash out.  They lash out at women who break the mold of worshiping them for demoting females to the level of trash, and they lash out at men who don’t want to walk around all the time like their entire self-worth is wrapped up in their erection.  Mine, for instance, is totally wrapped up in my XBox Live Achievements. 

Benedict has determined that one of the deepest shows on television, one that explores sacrifice, despair, hope, loyalty and a dozen other deep emotions that make us men and women and whoever else we are, is an offense to an entire gender because a better actor than him in a better show than his is a woman.  And also doesn’t chew up scenery like she’s the goddamn Hamburglar and the ships are made of Big Macs. 

Get a life.  Better yet, get a job. 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:16 PM • (134) Comments

I hope they get a Mormon to write a post decrying the new BSG for not being religious propaganda.

It must burn his ass to know that the original Apollo got a big role on the new show.

Comment #1: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/20  at  09:25 PM

Better yet, get a job.

I think that’s the problem.


Am I the only one who imagines his whiny, nasally voice as I read this?

Comment #2: keshmeshi  on  01/20  at  09:26 PM

also, Dirk Benedict is threatened by the fact that the new Starbuck would never fuck the old starbuck, or if she did, she’d laugh at him afterwards. Possibly during.

Comment #3: Michael  on  01/20  at  09:27 PM

I skimmed that piece as well—I figured a close reading might cause brain damage, and I’ve got whiskey for that—and the main impression I came away with was “does Dirk Benedict really think he’s tougher than Katee Sackoff?” Because she could rip off his sack with the twist of a pinkie. And that’s in real-life, not just on the show.

Comment #4: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/20  at  09:28 PM

Thinking about the two Starbucks fucking each other reminds me of the scene in John Waters’ “Female Trouble” when Divine has sex with herself as two separate characters.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/20  at  09:30 PM

Huh, that piece was written in 2004- maybe he has actually watched the show and changed his mind? Realized he was a whining a-hole?
Probably not…

I can’t figure out why they printed it now?

Comment #6: caliban  on  01/20  at  09:32 PM

What amazes me is that this is at least the third place I’ve read this very essay over the course of the past five years—this same piece of inane garbage keeps getting recycled, and (presumably) Dirk Benedict continues to sit in his room at the Y, chomping his stogie and rubbing his hands with maniacal glee.  “Stardoe—it’s still clever!”

A lot about that time in American pop culture is kinda dopey in retrospect, but at least my Rubik’s cube and E.T. for the Atari don’t write whiney essays about how they’re misunderstood geniuses whose rugged, untamed masculinity terrified but also, strangely, aroused the ladies (and girly-men) who run the entertainment industry.

Comment #7: Bradley  on  01/20  at  09:33 PM

“I hope they get a Mormon to write a post decrying the new BSG for not being religious propaganda. “

You mean it ISN’T? Fuck, I’ve been worshiping my toaster for the past month.

Like you said, it’s amazing how these people regard masculinity as props and behaviors and not as core qualities. I wonder if Benedict ever got around his gigantic entitlement to notice that Kara Thrace a) embodies many of the hard-smoking, hard-drinking, hard-fucking qualities of his Starbuck, and b) actually recognizes that these behaviors have an effect on her reputation.

Comment #8: Justin Cognito  on  01/20  at  09:33 PM

I snrgled because Benedict was pretty much a pretty boy, even in his salad days….He man?? Snort!

Comment #9: gwangung  on  01/20  at  09:35 PM

I wonder if Benedict ever got around his gigantic entitlement to notice that Kara Thrace a) embodies many of the hard-smoking, hard-drinking, hard-fucking qualities of his Starbuck, and b) actually recognizes that these behaviors have an effect on her reputation.

The answer is obviously no, because in what passes for his mind, Stardoe’s cigar represents a penis she wants in her mouth, and her fucking around is because she realizes that she can’t ever actually be a man, so she has to recharge with as much man-juice as possible to keep up the act.

Comment #10: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/20  at  09:36 PM

and her fucking around is because she realizes that she can’t ever actually be a man, so she has to recharge with as much man-juice as possible to keep up the act.

Good Lord—there are semen vampires onboard the Galactica too?  The fleet it doomed!

Comment #11: Bradley  on  01/20  at  09:38 PM

It must burn his ass to know that the original Apollo got a big role on the new show.

At least Richard Hatch was able to turn his whining about the new show (because he was whining when it was first announced) into a role on it.  Benedict couldn’t even get a job out of his whining.

Comment #12: Mnemosyne  on  01/20  at  09:45 PM

Dirk Benedict has had his legacy supplanted by someone with a vagina.

Oh, no, Jesse.  Dearie, dearie me, no, Jessie.

Dirk Benedict has had his legacy rendered laughable by someone with a vagina. It’s like comparing E E Doc Smith with Iain M Banks - worked in its time, shown up as completely outdated and useless now.

Comment #13: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/20  at  09:46 PM

For some reason I’m reminded of an old Spy magazine story (I wish there were some new Spy magazine stories, but that’s for another thread) entitled something along the lines of “Sometimes a Cigar is a Giant Black Phallus”.

Comment #14: jon  on  01/20  at  09:47 PM

Dirk Benedict is under the impression that his shtick (smile and wink and the camera while holding a cigar and spouting off a predictable one-liner) is a lot more charming than it really is. He also seems to forget that the role of Starbuck was simply a one-dimensional ripoff of a one-dimensional character from a much, much better movie (Han Solo from Star Wars). For all of his grievance, one would think that the role he’s defending would be interesting or original or well-written or watchable. Hell, Screech and Steve Urkel had more character development (and acting chops) than Starbuck or Faceman ever did.

If Benedict is such a tough, masculine guy, then why is he being such a fucking crybaby?

Comment #15: Greg  on  01/20  at  09:49 PM

New Starbuck would definitely fuck* old Starbuck. UP. If they fought, she would kick his anxiously masculine ass out an airlock in maybe one sixth of a second.

*Although I suppose that should be “frak”.

Comment #16: Lamenter  on  01/20  at  09:56 PM

I saw this a while back. As much as I love the old starbuck and faceman and the lovely package it came in, I wish he’d just shut the hell up.

Comment #17: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/20  at  09:57 PM

Who gives a fuck about an old tv show?

(OK, I still don’t get the hipster backlash about Vampire Weekend. Still love ‘em.)

Comment #18: MaryL  on  01/20  at  09:59 PM

I know that when I think “tough, old-fashioned masculinity”, I think of John Wayne whining about how Maureen O’Hara is emasculating him by not letting him kick the shit out of her brother.

Wait, that didn’t happen in The Quiet Man?

Never mind.

Comment #19: Maureen  on  01/20  at  10:07 PM

The new show is much, much better. And I kind of liked the old camp show. Among the reasons:
a) A better Adama
b) A much better Baltar
c) a much better Apollo—the old one was boring
d) Laura Roslin
[... various reasons including better cylons ...]

and last but not least: a much better Starbuck.

And while I always had a soft spot for the A-Team: He played the least interesting character.

Comment #20: IM  on  01/20  at  10:24 PM

Original BSG is shit.

Comment #21: Sirkowski  on  01/20  at  10:33 PM

Oh wait, that was written by Dirk Benedict himself? LOL That’s sad.

Comment #22: Sirkowski  on  01/20  at  10:35 PM

I’d pay money to watch Kara Thrace kick Benedict’s Starbuck from one end of Galactica to the other…

And, dude, don’t try to tell me about how important the original BSG was.  I’m old enough to have watched it, new, back in the days where you got 3-networks and a few local station to choose from.  (I also watched CHiPs, The Six Million Dollar Man, The Bionic Woman, Wonder Woman, The A Team, and all sorts of utter shit that I’m not proud of…)  BSG TOS was, is, and will always be considered a piece of shit.  The only reason anybody watched it was lack of other choices.

Whoever came up with the basic concept of BSG should get down on their knees and thank god their ideas are no longer exclusively tied to the original piece of shit.

Dirk (I can call you that can’t I?), your name was the only thing cool about you.  None of your acting efforts will ever be compared to Shakespeare.  And that’s okay because you performed a service by filling a few hours of people’s free time.  But don’t let that convince you what a fantastic guy you are.  We chucked out the last president who felt that way just today…

Comment #23: MikeEss  on  01/20  at  10:39 PM

It must burn his ass to know that the original Apollo got a big role on the new show

Richard Hatch didn’t get the role on the basis of his acting chops on the original show, either. Years ago he was competing with Moore to re-make BSG, and lost out mainly because television is no longer dominated by cokedhead middle-aged network executives who are more concerned with SFX, ripping off Star Wars, and pretty boy actors than, oh, I dunno, intelligent storytelling, originality and creative risk-taking.

Hatch, to his credit, adjusted to the new (and improved) realities and got a chance to show that he’s matured as an actor (I like how he plays the Zarek character). Benedict, on the other hand, didn’t adjust and, with this petulant and bitter sexist whinging, has squandered the goodwill he earned from the original Starbuck and Faceman roles.

An appropriate lesson for conservatives in general on this day.

Comment #24: Gracchus  on  01/20  at  10:42 PM

And while I always had a soft spot for the A-Team: He played the least interesting character.

Total win! None of my elementary school classmates nor I even noticed, much less liked Faceman.  Main favorite characters were usually from most popular to least BA Baracus(Mr. T) or Hannibal Smith (George Preppard).  I was the odd kid because my favorite character was “Howling Mad” Murdoch (Dwight Schultz). 

Also, it has been decades….but didn’t Faceman get smashed in the face or otherwise beaten up at least once per episode??? Other than Murdoch…we also felt Faceman was there mainly as comic relief….

Comment #25: exholt  on  01/20  at  10:44 PM

Explanation for the whine, Benedict is virtually unemployable now. From imdb, the last decade of work for Dirk consists only of:

Recon 7 Down (2007) .... Tom Myers
“Jensen!” (1 episode, 2007)
Earthstorm (2006) (TV) .... Victor Stevens
Goldene Zeiten (2006) .... Douglas Burnett aka John Striker/Horst Müller

He had two loooooong years of unemployment in which to write that whine after:

Battlestar Galactica (2003) (VG) (voice) .... Lt. Starbuck / Lukas

As well as the previous five long years between gigs in which to stew over the idea.

Waking Up Horton (1998) .... Tyler
... aka The Adventures of Young Brave (USA)

Comment #26: judy brown  on  01/20  at  10:46 PM

I read a lot of crap like this on John Kricfalusi’s (of Ren and Stimpy fame) blog.

According to him, the blame for “the downfall of American animation” (translation: “his inability to get work”) lies solely in the hands of executives, “PC Police” and “dirty-footed hippie ladies.” Also those damn kids that get on his lawn.

Not his anti-social behavior or repugnant belief system, or unwillingness to finish his projects on time, or the fact that R&S;was the only thing he ever made that wasn’t a complete piece of boring pig swallop. IT WAS TEH SUITS AND TEH FEMINAZIS YOU GUYS!!!

Comment #27: kaje  on  01/20  at  10:47 PM

Dirk Benedict had a good thing going. He had a few good years as a popular actor, and could have milked his legacy and fanbase for what it was worth, like James Doohan. Sure, it’s not the most dignified way to handle the tail end of your career, but it’s a lot better than what he’s doing.

I liked Dirk Benedict’s characters (I was 10, ok?). Why does he have to go ruin it like this?

Comment #28: Tyro  on  01/20  at  10:48 PM

Well, I think “Howling Mad” Murdoch was sometimes a bit overdone and Hannibal was to much of a know it all. I liked Dwight Schultz on Star Trek as Barkley.

“Also, it has been decades….but didn’t Faceman get smashed in the face or otherwise beaten up at least once per episode??? Other than Murdoch…we also felt Faceman was there mainly as comic relief….”

As far as I remember he tended to get beat up because he was - as the charmer - always the reconnaissance team. He was detected, got in trouble and then the cavalry arrived in the nick of time to rescue him.

Comment #29: IM  on  01/20  at  10:52 PM

He was detected, got in trouble and then the cavalry arrived in the nick of time to rescue him.

But wouldn’t a Real Man beat them up himself, fuck the girl and then call the cavalry to clean up the mess?

Comment #30: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/20  at  10:54 PM

If Mr. T wasn’t on The A Team, nobody would have watched it.  Sorry Dirk…

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  01/20  at  10:55 PM

All you women and feminized men just can’t handle the truth that “Men hand out cigars. Women ‘hand out’ babies.’ If you could, you’d have Dirk Benedict’s career which current consists of…. being on Celebrity Big Brother. In 2007.

Comment #32: Suckersapien  on  01/20  at  10:55 PM

“But wouldn’t a Real Man beat them up himself, fuck the girl and then call the cavalry to clean up the mess?”

But you have still to use the rest of the four man team. Otherwise you will develop Dylan Hunt syndrom…

Comment #33: IM  on  01/20  at  10:58 PM

Oi. I always wondered why they didn’t bring back Dirk and now I know (somehow I’d managed to miss all this). Though this does put an interesting spin on the special feature for the mini-series, where Benedict and Katie Sackhoff are at a Starbucks (get it!) and Benedict passes on the cigar, literally.

I’m going to have to watch that again now, and giggle to know that inside, it’s killing him to do it.

Comment #34: UltraMagnus  on  01/20  at  11:03 PM

Okay, if no one else is going to have a geek-fit over this, I have to:

Hans Solo?  Hans?  Not Han, but Hans?

That is incorrect, Mr. Benedict.  It’s one thing if you don’t watch the remake of your own show, but this?  In a column about the importance of macho SF characters, no less?  Inexcusable.

Comment #35: Varius  on  01/20  at  11:17 PM

Shorter Dirk <strike>Diggler</strike> Benedict: “I AM big…it’s the shows that got small…”

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  01/20  at  11:19 PM

“Hans Solo?” Hans wasn’t solo! He had Gretel at his side! Sexist, just to vanish Gretel…

Comment #37: IM  on  01/20  at  11:19 PM

According to him, the blame for “the downfall of American animation” (translation: “his inability to get work”) lies solely in the hands of executives, “PC Police” and “dirty-footed hippie ladies.” Also those damn kids that get on his lawn.

I tend to be more sympathetic to Kricfalusi, at least on design and aesthetic issues. But yes, he keeps rolling and after a while it starts to seem whingy and self-pitying. The barriers to entry just aren’t that high anymore in animation.

Another guy who does this sort of self-destructive thing is James Howard Kunstler. He starts out with reasonable and engaging propositions, and then ... whoa! He’s romanticising manorialism and provincialism and crabbing about how tattoo parlours are a sign of the end times. A shame, because he’s one of the best and most prescient writers when it comes to our current mess.

The German language must one of those wonderful compound words for people who burn their goodwill like this.

Comment #38: Gracchus  on  01/20  at  11:22 PM

I tried to watch the original series on Hulu because, hell, it’s there, and maybe it would lend some insight to the new series, whatever.

Uh, no.  It’s awful.  Made it through about halfway and gave up.

Comment #39: LauraB  on  01/20  at  11:22 PM

What so funny is that he takes his show seriously.  Seriously.  Vheeseball, starwars ripoff, Battlestar-fucking-galactica.  He thinks it was a serious show.

I got into a small discussion this afternoon with a woman who identified herself a “conservative, christian republican”.  In this discussion she used this, “if I believed the relentless lies of the liberal media”.

Are you shitting me?  Is your world that upside down that you think that phrase has some merit in and of itself?  Pat Buchanan and Roger Simon are supposed “neutral” commentators on the one network with not one but two somewhat progressive hosts and that network is somehow “liberal”?

Honestly, it’s like arguing with a child about the color of the sky.  We don’t even speak the same language.

Once she started dropping the idea that someday I’ll know the “Truth”, yes, with a big “T”, I knew it was a waste of time.

Before this new Hollywood wingnut site Dirk Benedict meant exactly what?  A D level television actor with not one but two silly series that no one, including those fucking writers, took seriously and somehow I’m supposed to stand in awe of the idea that this Benedict asshat removed what little nuance from the character that might have accidentally existed?

If this guy was serving fries at mcdonald’s I’d go to burger king.

Comment #40: ice weasel  on  01/20  at  11:26 PM

“It’s awful.  Made it through about halfway and gave up.”

...we tried to warn you. 

There’s a reason people still watch old episodes of Dr. Who, despite the cheesy effects and poor quality of the productions…good writing, interesting stories, interesting characters.

I don’t think anybody would schedule reruns of BSG TOS on a bet, unless they were trying to do one of those Springtime for Hitler deals like The Producers...

Comment #41: MikeEss  on  01/20  at  11:30 PM

A “charming womanizer”? A “blatant heterosexual”? Excuse me while I puke.

Poor Eggs Benedict. At least Eggs Hatch got another gig.

Comment #42: RacyT  on  01/20  at  11:50 PM

I was the odd kid because my favorite character was “Howling Mad” Murdoch (Dwight Schultz).

Represent! Murdoch was the man.

Nobody liked Face. If you meet an A-Team fan who says their favorite was Face, you don’t have to ask—their favorite Beatle was Ringo.

Comment #43: Jeff Fecke  on  01/21  at  12:11 AM

“R&S;was the only thing he ever made that wasn’t a complete piece of boring pig swallop”

Hah.  Wrong.  “The Ripping Friends” was quite funny.

Comment #44: Your Friendly Corporate Mainstream Media  on  01/21  at  12:12 AM

Ahhh, yes Dirk Benedict’s womanizing, outerspace fighter jock Starbuck was nowhere to be found on 70s TV!  Well except for you know Gil Gerad in Buck Rogers.

Comment #45: Rob  on  01/21  at  12:12 AM

Hah.  Wrong.  “The Ripping Friends” was quite funny.

We’ll agree to disagree then.

Comment #46: kaje  on  01/21  at  12:25 AM

Though this does put an interesting spin on the special feature for the mini-series, where Benedict and Katie Sackhoff are at a Starbucks (get it!) and Benedict passes on the cigar, literally.
I’m going to have to watch that again now, and giggle to know that inside, it’s killing him to do it.

Maybe he got better. The column is 4-5 years old. For all we know, he could be really embarrassed by it now.

Comment #47: Dave Menendez  on  01/21  at  12:29 AM

Maybe he got better. The column is 4-5 years old. For all we know, he could be really embarrassed by it now.

Well, except for the fact that he just reposted it at Big Hollywood Hates Us Conservatives Really They Do!, that would be a reasonable theory.

Comment #48: Jeff Fecke  on  01/21  at  12:31 AM

>I don’t think anybody would schedule reruns of BSG TOS on a bet, unless they were trying to do one of those Springtime for Hitler deals like The Producers…

The Sci-Fi Channel did. Then again, the Sci-Fi Channel showed Stephen King’s Golden Years.

Comment #49: Suckersapien  on  01/21  at  12:31 AM

Jesse:

They lash out at women who break the mold of worshiping them for demoting females to the level of trash, and they lash out at men who don’t want to walk around all the time like their entire self-worth is wrapped up in their erection. Mine, for instance, is totally wrapped up in my XBox Live Achievements.

Ha! It’s funny you should say so, because mine is wrapped up in my World of Warcraft achievements, decent gear and super-awesome cat pet with red glowing eyes. Too bad the patch dropped today, with its damned hunter nerf.

MikeEss:

There’s a reason people still watch old episodes of Dr. Who, despite the cheesy effects and poor quality of the productions…good writing, interesting stories, interesting characters.

Doctor Who is probably the only long-running show that has never lost its touch for good writing, interesting stories and interesting characters, in spite of the nearly constant cast-and-crew turnover. The new series, even with its big budget and A-list acting, still stays absolutely true to those essential components of the show’s legacy.

In fact, if anything, the writing, story design and characterization have only gotten better as the years have rolled on. The episode shown as first-run on BBC America the week before last (there’s about a six-month lag between the British and American premieres; it first ran in June in the UK), “Forest of the Dead” had me weeping openly several times.

Comment #50: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/21  at  12:38 AM

“Then again, the Sci-Fi Channel showed Stephen King’s Golden Years.”

The Sci-Fi Channel also shows Sci-Fi Originals.

Comment #51: preying mantis  on  01/21  at  12:39 AM

Benedict thinks he’s been emasculated, while making it obvious that he had little to emasculate.

This.

Man, I hope this post makes it back to him.  Also hope someone puts his reaction up on YouTube.

I remember that guy being pissed when the new series was originally cast, which was stupid, but he’s still whining about it?  Wow.

Comment #52: L33tminion  on  01/21  at  12:47 AM

No, it looks like I’m wrong. I thought the bit he filmed with Katee Sackhoff represented a reconciliation between him and the new show, but apparently I have the order wrong. The bit aired November 2003, and his screed was published in May 2004. I haven’t found anything to suggest that his opinions have changed since then.

I did manage to find Sackoff’s reaction, though.

If Dirk pitched up to work on the show I’d probably quit. I met him in Los Angeles and I thought we’d really hit it off, he was a great guy, he was very complimentary and very un-Hollywood. Then he turned around a month later and talked complete crap about the show and the actors on it. He wrote an article saying the network sold out and my character was more brash than his character.

I felt like he’d stabbed me in the back. I know that sounds like me being very sensitive but I felt very befriended by him, then I read that about a month later.

If you add up the amount of time Dirk Benedict spent playing the character, not the years obviously but the number of episodes, I’m more Starbuck than he is, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Comment #53: Dave Menendez  on  01/21  at  12:48 AM

Another guy who does this sort of self-destructive thing is James Howard Kunstler. He starts out with reasonable and engaging propositions, and then ... whoa! He’s romanticising manorialism and provincialism and crabbing about how tattoo parlours are a sign of the end times.

I’m convinced that Kunstler wants us to be ruled over by a philosopher king.

I don’t think anybody would schedule reruns of BSG TOS on a bet

Didn’t NBC do it recently?  I don’t have a tv anymore, but I’m pretty sure I saw a mention of it running on Wednesday nights.

I watched the original series and it was dumb, mindless entertainment.  Definitely not worth taking seriously, but I don’t think it was crappier than anything else on tv at the time.

Comment #54: keshmeshi  on  01/21  at  01:19 AM

If Mr. T wasn’t on The A Team, nobody would have watched it.  Sorry Dirk…

Though Mr. T was a big draw to the show along with the guns/explosions based action…..another big draw for us was the complete cartoonishness of it.  One classmate put it this way: “Point pistol 3 feet from Hannibal Smith/[other A-Team member], fire 7+ shots, watch all 7+ shots divert away from them right before impact.”  In short….a variant on the Star Wars Stormtrooper school of marksmanship.  LOL

Comment #55: exholt  on  01/21  at  01:25 AM

Oh, Dirk.
Please get a new job, or a hobby, or a puppy. Anything to distract you from stewing over something you should have got over years ago.

Comment #56: Tilde  on  01/21  at  01:36 AM

He was a Hannibal-in-Training, a kind of Peppard Lite. Now bring back Sam “Flash Gordon” Jones!

Comment #57: Neue Internetpräsenz  on  01/21  at  02:04 AM

The episode shown as first-run on BBC America the week before last (there’s about a six-month lag between the British and American premieres; it first ran in June in the UK), ”Forest of the Dead” had me weeping openly several times

What is this six month gap you speak of? I grab the BitTorrent the night it airs in the UK and as an added bonus, it has no commercials.  In any case, yes, The Forest of the Dead two-parter was excellent and it bodes well for the Steven Moffat era.  I got really bored with Russell Davies take, I was really sick of everything taking place on Earth and I really, really got bored to fucking tears with the Daleks and Cybermen showing up so much. 

I was in high school when the original BSG aired and my friends and I would get stoned and laugh at how bad it was.  Sometimes Dirk BeenADick, people are laughing AT you, not WITH you.

Comment #58: Henry Holland  on  01/21  at  02:07 AM

“Dirk BeenADick”

That’s full of win.

Comment #59: RacyT  on  01/21  at  02:33 AM

First: Faceman was definitely the least macho he-man of anyone on “The A-Team.” Faceman’s schtick was looking pretty and worrying that someone would muss his hair.

Second: How humiliated am I that I never realized ‘til now that Dwight Schultz played both Howlin’ Mad Murdoch and Reginald Barclay?  :(

Comment #60: Scott  on  01/21  at  02:35 AM

“If you add up the amount of time Dirk Benedict spent playing the character, not the years obviously but the number of episodes, I’m more Starbuck than he is, so put that in your pipe and smoke it.”

Oh Katee ... I will smoke *anything* you tell me to. Love!

Comment #61: Sarah  on  01/21  at  03:30 AM

i remember, vaguely, watching the original BSG. while i loved it at the time i was… 3? as in i BARELY remember them

i watched them again, as a teen, and i never finished a single episode. i would start one, and generally only get 10 minutes in.

i wasn’t going to watch the new one. i just KNEW it was going to break the universe by being even WORSE than the first. which would be a violation of the First Law of Thermodynamics.

then EVERYONE i know started TALKING to me about it ALL THE TIME. i mean, every day, sometimes every HOUR, it was “Hey, Liz, Starbuck is now a kick-ass woman”, “Hey, Liz, seriously, female president!”. “Liz, c’mon, a show that depicts a polythiestic religion as NOT EVIL”. even my dad got into it “Damnit eldest daughter, you will watch it. Because I Say So.”

well!

hooked. beyond hooked,

Comment #62: denelian  on  01/21  at  03:47 AM

That reminds me of one of the interesting twists of BGS: To protray most people as secular but showing Starbuck (of all people!) as polytheistic pious. And Katee Sackhof stayed in her reaction very much in-character.

Comment #63: IM  on  01/21  at  04:08 AM

In fact, if anything, the writing, story design and characterization have only gotten better as the years have rolled on. The episode shown as first-run on BBC America the week before last (there’s about a six-month lag between the British and American premieres; it first ran in June in the UK), ”Forest of the Dead” had me weeping openly several times.

You’re gonna enjoy the last two episodes of that series then…

(Donna gets annoying, though).

Comment #64: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  04:41 AM

You think this is crappy writing? The guy wrote an entire book devoted heavily to praising renowned quack Michio Kushi and his macrobiotic diet movement. Kushi, by the way, advocates making medical diagnoses with astrology. Kushi’s big claim is that you can prevent and cure cancer with the proper diet, and to this day encourages people to cure cancer with their diet.

Ironic part: Kushi developed cancer in 2004, and had it treated with surgery.

Non-ironic, depressing part: Kushi’s wife and daughter both died of cancer.

Comment #65: Master Mahan  on  01/21  at  04:54 AM

PiatoR:

(Donna gets annoying, though).

Eh. It’s Catherine Tate. That’s just what she does. As long as it’s less annoying than her own flat and unfunny show, I’ll probably be OK.

Comment #66: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/21  at  06:17 AM

Ha! It’s funny you should say so, because mine is wrapped up in my World of Warcraft achievements, decent gear and super-awesome cat pet with red glowing eyes. Too bad the patch dropped today, with its damned hunter nerf.

I feels your pain, every Tuesday hunters suck just a little bit more.  Though you should really try gorillas, they rock so much harder than cats and hold aggro better.  At least, that’s how it’s working so far with a marks spec hunter.

Comment #67: Godless Heathen  on  01/21  at  06:48 AM

I’m ashamed he was my childhood hero.

No, not that I wanted to be him - smoke cigars?  Be misogynist?  Heck no.

But he was funnier than Boxie’s pet.

Comment #68: Crissa  on  01/21  at  06:59 AM

“... complete cartoonishness of it ...  all 7+ shots divert away from them right before impact.”
I used to like the slow motion flailing of the bad guys as they were blasted away from explosions.

Comment #69: me  on  01/21  at  07:09 AM

Ringo was my favorite ;-;  And I liked Golden Years.  Of course, I rather like lots of scifi; the only redeeming feature of the Hulk movie last year was the tv-series intro they used.

Comment #70: Crissa  on  01/21  at  07:48 AM

Hell.  I watched the show, but I was in my teens. He was the poor girl’s Mark Hamill. And I have to say—-the fact that he has two sons scares the ever living shit out of me. Can you imagine what he’s teaching them? And who in fuck says ‘Men are from Mars, women are from Venus” except some Evo Psych asshole.

Comment #71: ginmar  on  01/21  at  07:53 AM

Whenever I hear the word “emasculated,” I think of a six-year-old boy wearing a towel around his shoulders stamping his foot because no one else is calling him Superman. If all it takes to strip you of your gender identity is a few people not going along with the fantasy that you’re the person you say you are, I don’t know how you can show your face in public, much less throw an entitled shit fit about how unfair it all is. I also find it interesting that because this particular man is feeling “more lonely and miserable,” “everyone” must be.

Comment #72: junk science  on  01/21  at  08:29 AM

Dan, Grand High Emperor:
http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=The+Sha’tar&n=Myshe

You know, things like this are a bit like finding out Santa Claus isn’t real. I watched the original BG on television, I really liked it. I really liked the A-Team. What can I say, I was a kid.

I’m quite sure that if I went back and watched either now I’d recognize they were horrible, but that’s part of why I don’t.

But then you find out that Starbuck/Faceman is a tool. And that the creator of Ren & Stimpy is too.

Can’t these people just keep their mouths shut and let me hang on to my pleasantly-vague childhood/adolescent memories?

Comment #73: Andrew  on  01/21  at  09:14 AM

Another reason why conservatives may not be hired in Hollywood: their propensity to declare themselves Emperor for Life of Episode #2B102-3, “Dude Looks Like A Lady”.

See also Dennis Hopper re: Easy Rider. Did you know that nobody else had anything at all to do with that movie?

Comment #74: Dunc  on  01/21  at  09:41 AM

I can’t figure out why they printed it now?

They just figured out how to upload text?

Comment #75: QrazyQat  on  01/21  at  09:43 AM

Heh. I’m just now getting to read this because I was out all night getting my barack on.

I think I want to have Jesse’s babies.

Comment #76: Roxanne  on  01/21  at  09:55 AM

D’you think that some of Benedict’s resentment might come out of the fact that this is, in part, a “High Art” v “Low Art” argument?  There’s no argument that BSG-TOS was very low art, period.  BSG-current is a serious attempt to examine some damned pretty important issues and to do it in ways that oft disturb us and force us to think whether we want to or not.  (Some would argue that “makes you think” is a good definition of High Art to begin with.)

Can we argue that some people who do “low art” are insecure about “high art”?  Can we argue that some of them think that they could do “high art” if given a chance?  In my own humble opinion, much of Benedict’s anger comes not from misogyny (although his misogyny is certainly fuel and a vehicle) but from coming to grips with the fact that he played a cartoon in a cartoon and Katie Sackhoff is an an actress playing a great role in an important work.  That’d piss any self-worshiping small-timer off big time.

In a way we are back at something that came up in a thread discussing McCain’s anger.  When you are convinced of your own talents and worth but are brought to a certain self-knowledge that you are simply not up to what you believe is your right then you get very,  very, very and resentful inside and lash out.  It’s easier than coming to open, honest rational grips with your own visceral and subconscious realization that I’m Simply Not That Good.

Comment #77: Your Friendly Corporate Mainstream Media  on  01/21  at  10:08 AM

Sorry, that previous post was me.  “Your Friendly Corporate Mainstream Media” was a one-off smartass handle for a separate thread.

Comment #78: seeker6079  on  01/21  at  10:10 AM

Pfft. My e-peen just got castrated with the patch. My favorite trinket got bugged and now isn’t working :(.

Comment #79: Karmakin  on  01/21  at  10:25 AM

Late to the party, but

I snrgled because Benedict was pretty much a pretty boy, even in his salad days….He man?

TOS BSG was on when I was like, 11.  I *loved* it.  I remember some episodes, namely the Ice Planet of Clones.  Bunches of giant bearded guys and bunches of little blond women and a giant laser gun that Apollo and Starbuck have to take out.

How does Manly Man Dirk Benedict as Manly Man Starbuck disguise himself on the Planet of Only Two Sorts of Human?  Does he put on a literal beard and stomp around with the giants?

No!  He dresses up as a cutesy little blond woman, of course!  And no, it wasn’t played for laughs, as in “No one could ever buy this giant man as a teeny feather-haired woman.”  He fit in just fine, feathery-haired bob and all.

——
Ron Moore tried to offer both Hatch and Benedict roles in the new BSG.  To be fair, cheesy as the old series was, it really didn’t do badly in the ratings, ending at #1, but it was just considered too expensive to produce and they didn’t let the SFX guys have the money or time to do things right (which is why you end up with the same 3 shots of Vipers and Raiders being shot down)

Hatch was really upset b/c he’d been trying to bring back the original series characters, and really didn’t like the “reimagination” idea.  But once he saw the product, he realized that it was a much better thing.  Plus, he did so well in his throwaway role as Tom Zarek that Moore made him an important recurrent character.

Benedict?  Can’t get over his dick. 

——-

Donna is the bestest companion EVER!11@!  Seriously, she’s just so much better with Dr. #10 than poor Martha, who rocked, but was saddled with pining for a Doctor who didn’t notice her, and while Rose was fun, SHE’S IN ANOTHER UNIVERSE, SO STOP WHINING ABOUT HER.

I could watch multiple seasons of Doctor/Donna.  While I’m fine with the Doctor having romances, it was really nice to see him in a relationship that WASN’T romantic on either side whatsoever, especially after The Year Of Pining For Rose.

Dan, you do know that the SciFi channel also shows the new Doctor Who?  And that they show the “new” episodes 6 months or so before BBCA does?  They undoubtedly chop them up more, but they do air them.

Comment #80: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/21  at  10:47 AM

The German language must have one of those wonderful compound words for people who burn their goodwill like this.

I don’t know about German, but in English it’s called the Brain Eater.

Comment #81: Johnny Pez  on  01/21  at  11:03 AM

To his credit, Dirk Benedict’s B-movies are amazing, and I’m not ashamed to admit I collect them.

Ruckus and Sssssssss! are full of campy, dumb win. Especially Ruckus. This movie came out a year before Rambo and was basically the same general plot, except that Ruckus was a comedy. And Linda Blair was the love interest. And there was a falling-in-love sequence on dirtbikes. And Richard Farnsworth was the sheriff. So full of win.

Why, Dirk, WHY!?

Comment #82: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/21  at  11:38 AM

The dirtbike love scene.

Comment #83: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/21  at  11:45 AM

Ahhh, yes Dirk Benedict’s womanizing, outerspace fighter jock Starbuck was nowhere to be found on 70s TV!  Well except for you know Gil Gerad in Buck Rogers.

To heck with space jockies - Erik Estrada’s latino cop had a motorcycle and custom-made uniforms!

Comment #84: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  11:56 AM

Didn’t the guys who wrote Boogie Nights adopt his first name for their lead character?

Comment #85: Ms Kate  on  01/21  at  11:57 AM

He’s got a new one up now blaming Mickey Mouse for the fact that’s he’s aged poorly.  No, really:

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/dbenedict/2009/01/21/and-it’s-all-mickey-mouse’s-fault/#more-26201

Comment #86: blucas!  on  01/21  at  12:13 PM

“As far as I remember he tended to get beat up because he was - as the charmer - always the reconnaissance team”

That and because he was a dick.

Comment #87: Ginger Yellow  on  01/21  at  12:20 PM

What the new show really needs is Muffit the daggit. wink

Comment #88: NoJoy  on  01/21  at  12:29 PM

Didn’t the guys who wrote Boogie Nights adopt his first name for their lead character?

That would make sense, name a character with a big dick after an actor who IS a big dick.

I grew up in the 1970’s and was a big fan of Star Trek and Star Wars so when the original BSG came out, I desperately wanted to like it.  However the writing was so bad and the acting so one-dimensional (I fully expected any second to see Lorne Greene don a cowboy hat, jump on a horse and go riding back to the Ponderosa), that the show was literally unwatchable.  It was like all the production money went for SFX and they had nothing left over to pay decent screenwriters.

Given this history, I was fully prepared for the new BSG to suck to high heaven and instead it ranks with the original Star Trek, Babylon 5, and the woefully short-lived Firefly as one of the greatest televsion sci-fi series of all time.

Comment #89: "Fair and Balanced" Dave  on  01/21  at  12:38 PM

Blah. I think you guys are giving short thrift to the original BSG. It was good at what it set out to do: be an entertaining space opera with good special effects. I really like watching the current BSG but it slips into moments of “trying too hard.”

Dirk Benedict seems to have a hard time realizing that he was iconic in a certain time and place. He could have adapted to the shift or he could accepted having had a good run and ridden the wave of good will and nostalgia. Instead he’s decided to get bitter about it.

First George Lucas makes Greedo shoot first and creates the prequels, then Dirk Benedict comes up with this stuff… why is everyone trying to ruin my good memories of my childhood???

Comment #90: Tyro  on  01/21  at  12:44 PM

Can we argue that some people who do “low art” are insecure about “high art”?  Can we argue that some of them think that they could do “high art” if given a chance?  In my own humble opinion, much of Benedict’s anger comes not from misogyny (although his misogyny is certainly fuel and a vehicle) but from coming to grips with the fact that he played a cartoon in a cartoon and Katie Sackhoff is an an actress playing a great role in an important work.  That’d piss any self-worshiping small-timer off big time.

This would make sense, but I think the counterexample of Richard Hatch suggests otherwise.  Unlike Dirk Benedict, who’d moved on to another, much more successful, show after BSG, Hatch basically never got over the original cancellation, so far as I can gather.  He spent years of his life trying to get a continuation/next generation type series picked up, with no success.  He apparently really thought that the original BSG was great television and that his vision of a sequel/continuation show should be picked up.

But when the Moore version did come on, he reconciled himself to it and got himself a major recurring role, as noted.  Benedict, whose career has admittedly also sucked, does not seem to have been nearly as wrapped up in his BSG legacy as Hatch was, and yet he’s the one who’s never been able to reconcile himself to the new show.  Obviously, different people react to things differently, but it seems fairly clear that sexism is the basic reason for Benedict’s resentment.

Comment #91: John  on  01/21  at  12:54 PM

Back in the 90s, when Benedict was imagining that he could bring BSG back, one of the things he nattered on about was that they’d screwed up by putting all this money into the special-effects pipeline without realizing none of the stuff would be ready by air date (hence the two or three repeated bits of stock footage in every battle scene).  So perhaps he’s imaging the BSG TOS as it could have been if only it hadn’t sucked so much.

But yeah, his character on BSG and the A-Team was pretty much the guy who thinks he’s a he-man. Sad that he never actually grew up to be one. Dwight Schulz has matured much better.

Comment #92: paul  on  01/21  at  01:03 PM

Benedict, whose career has admittedly also sucked, does not seem to have been nearly as wrapped up in his BSG legacy as Hatch was

Benedict isn’t wrapped up in his BSG legacy. He’s wrapped up in his Dirk Benedict legacy.

Hatch, by contrast, isn’t trying to grind the axe of his Apollo persona.

Comment #93: Tyro  on  01/21  at  01:04 PM

blucas- That was the most insane thing I’ve ever read in a long, long time.

I’d point out that Mickey Mouse’s design has changed (shall we say, “aged”) over the years, but pointing out a illogical thing in that essay is like removing a single grain of salt in order to desalinate the ocean. Why bother honestly?

Comment #94: kaje  on  01/21  at  01:09 PM

“A hoax. Mirage. Nothing but pure image and personality, void of spirit.”

...wait a minute!  Is The Dirkster talking about Mickey Mouse or himself (minus the personality and “spirit” of course, but the void is certainly intact)...?

Comment #95: MikeEss  on  01/21  at  01:17 PM

Godless Heathen:

I feels your pain, every Tuesday hunters suck just a little bit more. Though you should really try gorillas, they rock so much harder than cats and hold aggro better. At least, that’s how it’s working so far with a marks spec hunter.

I’m beast mastery, so the only time I ever have a problem with my pet losing aggro is if I forget to turn Growl back on after an instance or a raid. I only use my gorilla for AoE-ing packs of mobs while grinding pre-BC instances, because it’s not particularly useful once you get into doing endgame content. The thunderstomp is a decent chunk of a gorilla’s damage output, but it’s a threat magnet so you have to turn it off when you’re grouping. If you’re looking to max out your DPS for raiding, regardless of your spec, you need a cat, a scorpid or a spirit beast.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Garona&n=Almuqit

My gear still has issues (god, I wish I could get rid of [Crusader’s Locket]; I’m no huntard, but that totally useless expertise proc sure makes me feel like one), as I’ve been pretty unlucky with drops in 5-man heroics.

Comment #96: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/21  at  01:43 PM

Cigar-smoking on a spaceship?

It’s nice to know that in someone’s fantasy future there’s more oxygen than the lifeforms on board know what to do with.

As for John Kricfalusi, his stuff was unique in the early ‘90s but his work hasn’t grown since. Any number of Adult Swim shows have gone further down the path of real characterizations or just blackout juxtaposition humor. (Roger Rabbit and OJ Simpson in Strangers on a Train, anybody?)

Comment #97: ThresherK  on  01/21  at  02:42 PM

I find his screed hilarious, especially in the light of the fact that after the original BSG ended and he had moved into other things, he continually bashed BSG as being ‘infantile’ and stated that he would never go back to it.
Apparently it’s much less infantile to him when someone else is getting work from the property, and he’s not doing shit.

Comment #98: Morejello  on  01/21  at  02:50 PM

like comparing E E Doc Smith with Iain M Banks

Okay, PiatoR, you’ve just used up your geek quota for the rest of the month.

BSG TOS was, is, and will always be considered a piece of shit.

Indeed.  Fortunately, they retooled it as the award-winning Galactica 1980 (aka Adama-12).

Comment #99: mds  on  01/21  at  02:57 PM

weird to see that tirade, especially since one of the great nerdgasms i have ever had is the picture in a BSG fan forum at tribe.net showing Benedict and Sackhoff sitting at a table, posing for the camera with each holding a cigar and having coffee at Starbuck’s

Comment #100: The Crapture  on  01/21  at  04:01 PM

so yeah, i’m hoping that sometime after his little WATB moment, he pulled his head out of his ass.

Comment #101: The Crapture  on  01/21  at  04:02 PM

I could watch multiple seasons of Doctor/Donna.  While I’m fine with the Doctor having romances, it was really nice to see him in a relationship that WASN’T romantic on either side whatsoever, especially after The Year Of Pining For Rose.

[Avoiding spoilers] Donna may be good for the Doctor, and it’s now typical to make the (female) companions tough mothers (literally for Sarah Jane), but Donna is also an annoying character in her personal mannerisms.  Her dialogue is annoying and the delivery is like a chainsaw at times.  It may be a cultural thing - Kiwis tend to be understated. The plot line element ramping up her importance to the mythos was just unnecessary.

Okay, PiatoR, you’ve just used up your geek quota for the rest of the month.

Hello - librarian?  Dude, I was reading Ovid back when I was six.  Literally - my mother left a college copy of Metamorphoses lying around, and she says I wouldn’t give it back unitl I finished the thing. I was fascinated by myths back at the time.

Comment #102: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/21  at  04:06 PM

damn…just read his Mickey Mouse rant…what a whiny fucking tool

Comment #103: The Crapture  on  01/21  at  04:11 PM

Gracchus,
You’ve notice that about Kunstler, too? I used to read his blog, but about every third article he says something that floors me and not in a good way. He’s like a half-finished project, whatever insight he has is also mixed with a lot of really strange ideas of his utopia. Not all his ideas are bad, but quite a few are really atavistic and not particularly compelling.

Comment #104: papa zita  on  01/21  at  04:37 PM

Alrighty, here’s my true story about Dirk. One of my very best friends modeled for an “adult” Fantasy Role Playing book. The writer asked her to come down to Anaheim for some BiMon SciFi Con dealy, since fanboys are so spooge laden, ANY girl is serious boothbait. So, Dirk and Hatch are there signing for dollars and during a break they dropped by her booth… You can only guess who started hitting up my friend for some after show bouncy times, despite being 20 years her senior. She was more than a little creeped out and politely declined.

Comment #105: Grandjester  on  01/21  at  05:23 PM

Not much to add, really, but I can’t resist piling on: Even as a not overly bright or discriminating kid during the late 70’s/early 80’s, I knew the original BSG was nothing but horrid, tacky shit…an impression that has lasted long enough to spoil any interest I might have had in watching the current series. (Yes, I’ve heard it’s excellent, but I’m not really that big a fan of space shows anyway.) Obviously, Eggs Benedict comes across as a complete douchebag here, and the only real question is whether he’s a genuine reactionary or just a bitter old fart enraged that the world’s passed him by and is eager to screech blame at everyone/thing but himself for his reduced status in the world. Or both. (But he’s definitely the latter.)

And Jesus: Did I say “reduced status”? It’s not like he had all that far to fall to begin with!

Comment #106: John D.  on  01/21  at  05:51 PM

Cigar-smoking on a spaceship?

It’s nice to know that in someone’s fantasy future there’s more oxygen than the lifeforms on board know what to do with.

Don’t be that guy.  I’m begging you.

Comment #107: stogoe  on  01/21  at  05:52 PM

One thing I find ironic about the whole thing is that Kara Thrace embodies a very masculine ideal. She’s a hotshot pilot who fights better than everyone else. She doesn’t take crap from anybody, and gets into trouble with authority figures, but gets away with it because she’s just that good at what she does. She works hard and parties hard, drinking, smoking, and gambling like James Bond on vacation. She gets every member of the opposite sex that she sets her eyes on, and takes them to bed like, well, James Bond on vacation.

Mercedes Lackey, in her introduction to one of her novels, said that she made one of her two female leads asexual and the other a rather feminine heterosexual because she was tired of the cliche in “swords and sorcery” fantasy of avoiding the well-muscled hyper-masculine sword-wielding Conan-esque hero by simply changing the gender of the character to female and leaving everything else exactly the same, including the character’s taste in women. (“Xena Warrior Princess”, anyone?) The current BSG does seem to be continuing the grand tradition of placing a male character in a female body, but they’re doing it very, very well, so I’m not complaining one bit.

Comment #108: Doug S.  on  01/21  at  06:21 PM

Just to be totally geeky about it, not only was the original BSG just a lame attempt to cash in on Star Wars, the name/character Starbuck isn’t even original. Go to Wiki and look up the name Cody Starbuck who was a comic creation of Howard Chaykin about 4 years before BSG hit the air.

Yes, the suits are responsible for ruining everything, and that’s why television is as bad today as it was in the 70’d. Get a grip.

Comment #109: martin  on  01/21  at  06:38 PM

Maybe Hatch ended up with a good gig on the new BSG because he’s a genuinely decent guy.  At least he was when I met him.  Very low-key and willing to admit he’s grateful for the chance to revive his career, however long it may or may not last.

My mom loved the original BSG.  I tried to sit and watch it with her.  But there were books to read and books were so much better than whatever that was on the screen.  I still shudder at 70s/80s TV.

Comment #110: Reba  on  01/21  at  06:41 PM

Had no idea about Kricfalusi; I wonder if he’s channeling Dave Sim, who seems to have lost his mind after his divorce?

As for Kunstler…it amuses the heck out of me that he’s saying exactly the same things about Peak Oil that he said ten years ago about Y2K.  Even if he’s right about certain things he’s such a whiny crybaby that I can’t take him seriously.

Comment #111: Ellid  on  01/21  at  07:06 PM

Both BSG series have their positive and negative aspects.  We look back and laugh at the late-70’s BSGs cheesy effects and rampant stock footage use, sometimes wooden acting and horrifically campy plots, and forget that back then all there was to compare it to was Star Trek TOS (whose third season wasn’t exactly Shakespearean) and (in my case) Jason of Star Command.  The re-imagined modern BSG comes after three successful multi-year ST runs, after Babylon 5 and Crusade, after the X-Files and lots of other tightly-plotted and dark shows, and after the maturation of CGI effects.  I would HOPE it would be better-written and better-looking.  That doesn’t negate my belief that SF on TV owes a big debt to BSG TOS keeping the small-screen fires burning.  I think it was partially the popularity of BSG (as well as Star Wars) that helped convince Paramount to take a gamble on ST:TMP, in hopes (ultimately successful) of reviving the dormant franchise.  For all that it was campy and preposterous, BSG TOS was entertaining for those of us who grew up in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s.  And it launched Glen Larson on the road to becoming the new Irwin Allen.

It’s often the case that beloved characters turn out to have been portrayed by actors we wouldn’t cross the street to help.  Mel Gibson is an obvious example; I loved Mad Max and Martin Riggs and the guy he played in Conspiracy Theory and William Wallace, but in real life he’s a massive tool.  OK; I still like those movies though.  To a lesser degree the same can be said of Arnold Schwartzenegger (I think Maria is having a calming, moderating influence).  To discover that Dirk Benedict is on that list doesn’t mean I now hate “Classic Starbuck.”

Comment #112: liberalrob  on  01/21  at  07:39 PM

Whoever came up with the basic concept of BSG should get down on their knees and thank god their ideas are no longer exclusively tied to the original piece of shit.

Wasn’t the original concept a mashup of Star Wars ripoff and Book of Mormon in space?

Shorter Benedick: “The Suits suck, the Suits, ruin everything… why won’t they hire me?”

Comment #113: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  01/21  at  08:21 PM

I love how every conservative who complains he can’t get hired cause he’s a conservative never stops to think that really he can’t get hired cause he’s an unbearable douche.

Comment #114: dan  on  01/21  at  08:31 PM

The new BSG series is unwatchable for me only because of the director.  The terrible cylon infantry and officers and on-no-gotta-make-babies themes on both sides topped off with the ‘we can never hold the damn camera still’ starts grating on my nerves.

Only so many shows with robots mysteriously wanting to look like humans, women raped and had electronics stuffed in them and whatnot I can watch.

Comment #115: Crissa  on  01/21  at  08:38 PM

Dan, isn’t that kind of redundant?

Comment #116: ginmar  on  01/21  at  08:42 PM

Go to Wiki and look up the name Cody Starbuck who was a comic creation of Howard Chaykin about 4 years before BSG hit the air.

Pretty sure Moby Dick came out even earlier than that.

What’s sad about the guy is, Sackoff’s portrayal is a loving tribute to his own—-the cocky swagger, the cigar-chomping, the guiltless promiscuity—-while everyone else on the show is from scratch. If I were him I’d be honored.

Comment #117: gil mann  on  01/21  at  08:56 PM

Boy, that’s a poorly-written sentence. What’s sad about the guy is that his Iron John mentality blinds him to that stuff I said.

Comment #118: gil mann  on  01/21  at  08:58 PM

Oh, that DB whingefest has been around for a few years now. I stumbled across it a while ago and was just aghast at what a BIG FUCKING CONSERVATIVE TITTY BABY Dirk Benedict, this guy I remembered from childhood as being cool and fun in good-humoured cheesefests like The A-Team and the original BSG, had turned into.

Last time I saw him he had lost all dignity and was appearing on the unholy clusterfuck that was UK Celebrity Big Brother 07. He spent most of his time drooling and pining after Bollywood film star Shilpa Shetty, who wasn’t having any of it. Poor Dirk, he’s really a bit of a sad lonely figure obsessed with his golden years and obviously rather entitled and bitter into the bargain.

Comment #119: H.  on  01/21  at  09:22 PM

Replying to Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster:

Ok, thanks.  My husband is the one who got me on the gorilla kick but I haven’t gotten past 50 yet. (Mostly due to the fact that I’m constantly in the cities making obscene buttloads of cash, thank you Mal’Ganis economy!)  Once I’ve gotten to Outland I’ll pick up a better pet for grouping, but I’ve been working on a “challenge” where I get through the base game content without doing instances or PUGging.

I wish the damn Armory wasn’t screwed up, nobody’s links are working for me.

Comment #120: Godless Heathen  on  01/21  at  10:36 PM

Cigar-smoking on a spaceship?
It’s nice to know that in someone’s fantasy future there’s more oxygen than the lifeforms on board know what to do with.
Don’t be that guy.  I’m begging you.

If you’re wondering how they eat and breathe
and other Science Facts,
repeat to yourself ‘It’s just a show,
I should really just relax.’”

Comment #121: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/21  at  10:40 PM

Nothing to add, just wanted to say how much I loved this post, Jesse.
To paraphrase Stewie Griffin, “This post is so delicious is simply must be fattening!”

Comment #122: Oaktown Girl  on  01/21  at  10:41 PM

Godless Heathen:

I wish the damn Armory wasn’t screwed up, nobody’s links are working for me.

I also noticed that the direct links aren’t working, but the character name is in the URL, and Armory has a search bar. smile

Comment #123: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/21  at  11:43 PM

I wonder if he’s channeling Dave Sim, who seems to have lost his mind after his divorce?

As I’ve always had zero interest in comic books, I had to look Dave Sim up on Wikipedia and I found this gem:

Recently, as a response to the criticism he has received, Sim has declared that he will only correspond with people who first agree that he is not a misogynist. [24], saying he will only answer letters and submissions sent under the header, “I don’t believe Dave Sim is a misogynist.”

Wow.  Just…..wow.

It’s often the case that beloved characters turn out to have been portrayed by actors we wouldn’t cross the street to help.

Same in music.  I love Wagner’s operas but he was, by all accounts, a horrible man.  He gathered his wife, his mistress and the woman he would leave them both for and read them his libretto for Tristan und Isolde, which is, of course, a paen to adultery, among other things.  I long ago gave up judging people in the arts on their personality, that way madness lies.

Comment #124: Henry Holland  on  01/22  at  01:01 AM

As I’ve always had zero interest in comic books, I had to look Dave Sim up on Wikipedia and I found this gem:

‘Recently, as a response to the criticism he has received, Sim has declared that he will only correspond with people who first agree that he is not a misogynist. [24], saying he will only answer letters and submissions sent under the header, “I don’t believe Dave Sim is a misogynist.”’

Wow.  Just…..wow.

I used to really like Cerebus. Cerebus himsef obviously was quite a pig—a very earthy pig—you might say, an earth-pig. Ahem. But I really didn’t think Sim was going in the direction of “Cerebus is right!” He put too much into Astoria, in particular, for me to doubt his ironic detachment. Not to mention that the macho thugs were, well, thugs, and idiots.

So this whole Sim going off his rocker thing depresses me. I thought he liked Astoria too.

Terim!

Comment #125: Mark Foxwell  on  01/22  at  01:25 AM

Oh! I was enjoying the WoW subthread without comment until I realized that Dan plays on my very own server. Garona Woot Woot! I just started playing on the Lich King trial, and am debating whether to go back to that particular time suck. Unfortunately, I just discovered I’m not the top Anwen when I search Armory anymore. Trying to decide how competitive that makes me.

Um… I now return you to your regularly scheduled discourse.

Comment #126: EClaire  on  01/22  at  03:10 AM

Dan: I’m beast mastery, so the only time I ever have a problem with my pet losing aggro is if I forget to turn Growl back on after an instance or a raid. I only use my gorilla for AoE-ing packs of mobs while grinding pre-BC instances, because it’s not particularly useful once you get into doing endgame content. The thunderstomp is a decent chunk of a gorilla’s damage output, but it’s a threat magnet so you have to turn it off when you’re grouping. If you’re looking to max out your DPS for raiding, regardless of your spec, you need a cat, a scorpid or a spirit beast.

GH: My husband is the one who got me on the gorilla kick but I haven’t gotten past 50 yet. (Mostly due to the fact that I’m constantly in the cities making obscene buttloads of cash, thank you Mal’Ganis economy!) Once I’ve gotten to Outland I’ll pick up a better pet for grouping, but I’ve been working on a “challenge” where I get through the base game content without doing instances or PUGging.

EClaire: Garona Woot Woot! I just started playing on the Lich King trial, and am debating whether to go back to that particular time suck. Unfortunately, I just discovered I’m not the top Anwen when I search Armory anymore. Trying to decide how competitive that makes me.

MDS - I expect a big crawling apology from you for calling ME the geek on this thread…

Comment #127: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/22  at  06:47 AM

No spoilers please I’m only on season two… I’m an idiot apparently.. but on the bright side I have lots of new shows to watch. Love it! I think my favorite overarching theme so far is that the only characters who believe in one god are the robots. Delicious, even though I suspect there’s a twist in there somewhere..

Comment #128: Scott1960  on  01/22  at  09:44 AM

I use to love Dirk Benedict as Starbuck, and as Faceman on the A-Team. My friends and I thought he was sexy. OTOH, after reading this, his sexism just kind of killed it for me. That said, I love the new BSG, and the new Starbuck. Looking back, the old one was way too cheesy. At least, Richard Hatch didn’t go this low.

Comment #129: virago  on  01/22  at  11:54 AM

Henry Holland, I’m going to disagree with you on Wagner.  Not that he was an asshole; he was that, in spades, and I think the fact that he was such an amoral, selfish, misogynist, user shit was one of his attractions for Hitler.

No, on the music.  Elgar is pretty much unbearable now because of it’s oh-so-Victorian British smug, ponderous security and certainty.  Wagner is equally unlivable in that it is the perfect representation in musical form of the puffed-up, overblown, bombastic, insecure hyper-masculinity and self-inflating, violence-obsessed pile of potentially violent personality disorders which were so much a part of the German political psyche from 1870 to 1945.  That madness is gone now, but for some reason people still like playing its anthems.

Comment #130: seeker6079  on  01/22  at  12:31 PM

virago—me too. I am rescinding my fan loyalty to old starbuck as of now.

Comment #131: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/22  at  01:26 PM

First: Dave Sim is a misogynist. Get over yourself Dave, I will still read and enjoy Cerebus but don’t give a rip shit about communicating with you. Phew. Just had to get that out there before I move on to the topic at hand.

I think the pathetic nature of Benedict’s poorly written rant has been well covered so I won’t go into to that. Was anyone else shocked (dismayed, disturbed, pissed off) by the responses he received? I am either far more naive than I thought or I am unfamiliar with the nature of the site the article was posted on. The handful of reasoned responses were overwhelmed by the majority of “right on!” reactions by people as sexist, backward and heterocentric as he and the disgusting ass kissings from fan boys and girls. What the bleeding fuck?

Comment #132: HooksInMyHead  on  01/22  at  04:28 PM

So, Hooks, what happened with the whole Astoria/Cirinist thing after the end of Church and State? That’s where I left off, right after some of the most awesome issues, the ones where Cerebus goes to the Moon and meets the Judge. Then he is returned to Earth and finds that Iest has been conquered by the Cirinists. At that point, Sim started to go into Jaka’s backstory, which I found dull and depressing. I trusted that if I kept reading it would all come together, but I had other priorities at the time and lost track. This was early 1989.

Now I don’t trust that it didn’t all go to crap, very possibly at that very moment.

Did Sim totally blow off the provocative potential of a Goddess-worshiping bunch of ultra-radical feminists (apparently of the Mary Daly type) having their own army and revolutionary regime in a Renaissance-with-magic setting? How did he handle Astoria?

These are things I want to know.

And was I being a choad, liking Cerebus before that point? I’m hoping you don’t think so!

Comment #133: Mark Foxwell  on  01/22  at  09:50 PM

No, on the music.  Elgar is pretty much unbearable now because of it’s oh-so-Victorian British smug, ponderous security and certainty.  Wagner is equally unlivable in that it is the perfect representation in musical form of the puffed-up, overblown, bombastic, insecure hyper-masculinity and self-inflating, violence-obsessed pile of potentially violent personality disorders which were so much a part of the German political psyche from 1870 to 1945.  That madness is gone now, but for some reason people still like playing its anthems.

They continue to like playing them because it is some of the greatest music ever written, full stop.  Nothing personal, obviously, but I loathe with the fire of all the suns in M92 that sort of thinking.  It’s no different from saying “Ted Nugent is a flaming asshole, therefore I’ll never listen to Hey Baby ever again, despite it kicking major ass”, it’s extraneous to the notes.  I got ripped on an opera blog once because I said, in response to someone saying “The end of Parsifal is the embodiment of the Divine Spirit, a connection to The Divine”, “No, it’s wonderful harmony, especially the V7-I cadence at “Öffnet den Schrein!” when Parsifal lifts the Grail cup, beautifully orchestrated and dramatically apt.  Music is music, all I care is: does it tickle my ear with the sounds and stimulate my mind via the notes on the page (i.e. the harmony, the orchestration, the form).  All else is wankery”.  I loathe plastering the biography on top of the music.

Comment #134: Henry Holland  on  01/22  at  10:07 PM
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