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Crime

It’s becoming increasingly clear that the murder of James Pouillon is not, as anti-choicers hoped, a tit-for-tat murder that will function to excuse their inculcation of terrorists that vandalize, set fires, bomb, and shoot clinic workers in an attempt to force sexually active women to give birth against their will.  For those who haven’t been following, James Pouillon and Mike Fuoss of Owosso, Michigan were shot to death late last week.  Harlan James Drake was picked up for the murders, and he had the name of a third man he intended to kill on him.  Drake appears to have had a vendetta against all three men, though the police aren’t speaking much about what the vendetta was.  It’s important to understand that even if it surfaces, it likely won’t make sense.  Spree killers tend to have garbled reasons for what they do.  One of the best-known examples of a similar killer was Andrew Cunanan, the man who killed 2 friends/acquaintances, a real estate developer that police speculate he was jealous of, a stranger, and then Gianni Versace, who appears to be targeted because of his fame and fortune.  Then, as now, the tenuous connection to a sexy political issue caused a lot of undue speculation.  I remember how the media tried to make a big deal out of the fact that Cunanan was gay, like his most famous target.  But Cunanan wasn’t trying to make some bold political statement, nor was his homosexuality some kind of precursor to murder.  (Most mass murderers like this are straight men.)  And it seems that Drake’s most coherent political statement is that he didn’t like Pouillon’s tactics.  It seems to me that he targeted Pouillon for the same reasons that Cunanan targeted Versace and Lee Miglin, the real estate developer: these men are the sort that would attract a spree killer’s attention mostly because they’re prominent and attract attention, and maybe even jealousy/resentment.  I honestly would be surprised in Pouillon had any idea that Drake was obsessed with him.

Obviously, this whole thing is an unmitigated tragedy.  Pouillon is an innocent man who had every right to protest where he wanted, as long as he didn’t try to physically interfere with people’s movements.  It seems that when he did do this, he went to jail and did his time.  That I should even have to say that shooting people in the street is a complete travesty makes me sad.  It should be obvious that I don’t think it’s right that fucked-up people run around shooting innocent people on the street.  But to avoid the “both sides” narrative, I want to make it clear that I 100% condemn this murder, and I believe 100% that Pouillon was an innocent person who had every right to say the things he did.  I want to make it exquisitely clear that I don’t think that Pouillon’s opinions meant anything but that I opposed his opinions. No one should mistake this for behavior like that of the anti-choicers who celebrated Dr. Tiller’s death or claimed he had it coming.

It doesn’t seem like there’s any mainstream media attempts to make this a tit-for-tat thing, so they can say “both sides” are violent, and avoid the responsibility of reporting on the domestic terrorism inculcated in the American right.  Obviously, anti-choicers are trying to exploit this tragedy to establish that narrative, because they aren’t hemmed in by truth or conscience.  They should not be allowed to set the tone, especially since their end goal is to continue enhancing a media environment where the link between perpetrators of violence and their friends in the anti-choice movement go unexamined.  I can’t help but point out that the main reason they don’t want those links being made is so they can continue to encourage violence without being held legally responsible.


There is no equivalence.  Anti-choicers who attack providers usually come straight out of the anti-choice movement, and those who do jail time for conspiracy and are released tend to return straight to their friends and to a routine of picketing clinics.  They have a support system of anti-choice activists.  Scott Roeder is receiving visitors from the anti-choice movement.  He knew how to find Dr. Tiller because Operation Rescue stalked him and used a network of phone and computer communications to keep tabs on his every move—-they also discussed on forums the best ways to get physical access to him, despite his guards.  Prior to this, one of the most famous abortion bombers—-who also targeted gay people—-was Eric Rudolph.  Again, he relied heavily on the unspoken but understood terrorist conspiracy, as the FBI believes that Rudolph evaded capture for so long because he had plenty of right wing friends to hide him.  He received a lot of public support, for sure, with songs written praising him, and signs and T-shirts doing the same.  There is simply nothing in the pro-choice movement like this.  The idea of that is laughable.  Even in the days when the “two sides” were reversed, and abortion was illegal, pro-choicers weren’t in the business of threatening anyone’s safety.  (Or doing so and then playing cute about it, like anti-choicers do now.)  Pro-choicers don’t publish home addresses and wanted posters of anti-choice activists.  There are no parallels.  There’s no reason to think that this murderer Harlan Drake had any association with the pro-choice movement, period. 

Luckily, like I said, the obvious difference here is such that even a media that is eager for a “both sides” story can’t run with it.

There’s nothing but sadness here. I noted at the time of his murder to a friend that I can’t help but be doubly saddened by a story like this, because my experience tells me that people who get as deep into anti-choice activism as Pouillon usually had some breaking point earlier in their life that sent them from being a relatively stable person to an obsessive consumed by hate and the desire to control and punish women.  For anti-choice men, it’s usually the loss of a relationship with a woman that sends them off, I’m afraid.  I remember once watching a video of “post-abortive” men testifying at some rally about how abortion did them wrong, and it was painful, because every case was the same.  He knocked his girlfriend up, she took the chance to reevaluate the relationship, she had an abortion, and she broke it off.  Their anger at being rejected attached to abortion, and the very people who were supposed to be helping them heal—-religious advisors—-instead were exploiting their pain and telling them to blame it on abortion. 

In fact, I had just finished reading Columbine by Dave Cullen, and towards the end, he chronicled a similar spiraling out of control that leads to anti-choice activism in the person of Brian Rohrbough.  Throughout the book, I kept thinking I’d heard of Rohrbough, and Cullen revealed it at the end.  Rohrbough was car audio guru in Colorado, and then his son Danny was shot in the Columbine massacre.  The grief of this incident sent Rohrbough spiraling deep into right wing nuttery, and he’s now the president of Colorado Right To Life.  When a memorial to the survivors was erected in a park near the high school, all the other family members submitted inscriptions celebrating their loved ones lost to the massacre.  Rohrbough devoted his inscription to a rant blaming the massacre on abortion.

That’s an extreme case, but one thing you pick up if you’ve been struggling against the anti-choice movement for awhile is that it’s rife with loss, depression, and an inability to deal with it—-and worse, an anti-choice movement happy to exploit the hurting for its political ends.  James Pouillon seems to have fit the type, sadly

Interestingly, some who knew Pouillon say his protests were personally motivated as well. His nephew Steven Pouillon told the Times that James Pouillon’s divorce over ten years ago “triggered” his protesting. “He got heavy into it after that,” said Stephen Pouillon. And Owosso resident Jimmy Carmody said, “I really don’t think he hated abortion as much as he was bitter about the marriage.”

You see this trajectory a lot with “men’s rights activists”, as well.  The vast majority you’ll meet had a really bitter divorce, often marred with domestic violence and child custody battles, and above all, they’re angry because they simply lost control of the situation and of their wives.  You have a similar dynamic with the anti-choice movement, which sucks up lost men and women who need help, but instead of getting help, they’re given an enemy to blame: Sexual women, feminists, and the entire culture of liberation.  They long for an idyllic patriarchy, where women didn’t have choices, because even though that lack of freedom seems depressing to most of us, the promise of less confusion is intoxicating.  We see mandatory childbirth and marriage as a trap, an inhumane strike against women’s humanity.  They see women as the necessary sacrifice for social stability. 

It’s hard for me to remember this often when I’m tangling with these people, who are mean-spirited drama queens, condescending, sexist, and addicted to authority.  They make you angry.  They enjoy making you angry, because annoying a liberal or a feminist is easy enough to mistake for that control they crave.  And mostly, I don’t mind that I just get angry at them.  They are, after all, out to ruin my life and that of everyone else I know. 

But at times like these, it’s good to take a moment and remember that they’re human beings.  Often, they’re human beings awash in pain and suffering they can’t even get a handle on, and so they lash out at the world and specifically at targets that right wing leaders set up for them.  They are human beings who deserve to live and struggle against the cruel world as much as the rest of us.  And when something like this happens to one of them, it’s an unmitigated tragedy. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 07:42 PM • (32) Comments

They long for an idyllic patriarchy, where women didn’t have choices, because even though that lack of freedom seems depressing to most of us, the promise of less confusion is intoxicating.

I’m not actually disagreeing; I’m just remembering a post on this blog on the use of the word “confusion” in a different context on this blog and saying that I don’t see what’s confusing about women being able to make choices about their own lives just like men do.

Comment #1: RickMassimo  on  09/14  at  08:07 PM

Great post.

Comment #2: Tersa  on  09/14  at  08:09 PM

Sorry; I forgot to say it was a gerat post overall.

Comment #3: RickMassimo  on  09/14  at  08:10 PM

Fair enough, Rick.  They’re not confused about what they want—-which is for a world where men rule, women are dominated, and no one questions the system.  I think they’re more confused about what to do.  What they need to do is heal, and to heal, they need to let go of this need to control.  Where they’re confused is thinking patriarchy will fix their problems.  Being happy with yourself and generous to others is more helpful.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/14  at  08:12 PM

Terrific essay on a very complicated subject.  Unfortunately the other side seems to not have the ability to digest anything like what you say here.

Comment #5: Gnome de Plume  on  09/14  at  08:18 PM

One of the reasons I really loathe the MRAs comes from my divorce, when I was looking for resources for divorcing dads. And I came across all these ooky groups of people who wanted to tell me that the best thing for my daughter was for me to hate her mom. No, I didn’t buy it. But I could see how you could; at a point like that, it’s seductively easy to push your own problems off on someone else.

I hate these groups because they feed off the pain of people in order to swell their ranks. Rather than helping someone grieve loss and move on to stability, they try to keep their members always frozen at that worst moment of their lives.

Comment #6: Jeff Fecke  on  09/14  at  08:49 PM

Oh, and adding—can’t disagree with anything you said. Nobody should be killed for expressing their views, no matter how reprehensible.

Comment #7: Jeff Fecke  on  09/14  at  08:50 PM

Remember that post about what it means to be an adult?  I’d like to add another definition:  to be able to look within yourself, realize you have problems, and figure out a way to deal with them.  I do feel for people who are in pain and are in too much denial to deal with it, but I also can’t help feeling that it’s a sort of arrested development.  Mature adults should be able to acknowledge that they’re screwed up (and that no one else is responsible for setting everything right).

Comment #8: keshmeshi  on  09/14  at  09:05 PM

this was a beautiful post to return to (as in, beautifully written, composed…) and, i think, the perfect post for me to have read first on my return (i had a large surgery at the end of August)

thank you, Amanda - i am going to send a link of this piece to a few people who *ARE* trying to tell me “this evens the ‘sides’ scores”

Comment #9: denelian  on  09/14  at  09:18 PM

Jeff Fecke:
Part of the problem is that sane dads don’t band together to help/support each other in the way that sane divorced moms do.  That kinda leaves the field free to

As for the murder in question, even if it were a purely pro-abortion political killing (and thus, like the Tiller murder, a terrorist act), it wouldn’t be analogous to the larger pro-choice movement and the pro-life murders for one simple reason: the pro-life people say that their opponents deserve to die, and shelter their killer terrorists if they can; the pro-choice people do not.

Comment #10: seeker6079  on  09/14  at  09:23 PM

sorry.

“leave the field free for the nutters” is how the first para should have ended.

I hate it, personally.  When a woman is jerked around by the family court system there are any one of a number of resources I can direct her too.  When a man is.. .well, he’s out of luck.

Comment #11: seeker6079  on  09/14  at  09:48 PM

When I heard about this, I knew that the out would be that there was some unrelated motive, not that a pro-choicer decided to return fire.

But I have to admit, a dark part of me sort of wished otherwise, as much as it would just be blood in the water, part of me wished that all those anti-choicers WOULD get the message that they weren’t safe as houses sitting back and screaming at women and shooting at doctors, that the chickens had come home to roost and they would do so in terror of their own lives, that suddenly it wasn’t about the luxury of “I’ve got mine, the rest of you sluts can die for all I care.”

Not that I’m going out and getting a gun to make this a reality, but I bet if the shoe was close to the other foot and your average clinic protester felt even 1/100th of the terror that gynecologists and abortion providers feel, they’d lose their nerve and re-dedicate their life to America’s Got Talent.

Comment #12: Mighty Ponygirl  on  09/14  at  10:00 PM

“I hate it, personally.  When a woman is jerked around by the family court system there are any one of a number of resources I can direct her too.  When a man is.. .well, he’s out of luck. “

And then the MRAs blame that on feminists too.

Comment #13: rowmyboat  on  09/14  at  10:05 PM

I wonder if Amanda’s thoughts about what motivates some people to anti-choice activities offers a way to get through their usual shell of self-righteousness. To pull this kind of stunt day after day, they have to be convinced that they’re doing it because they care deeply about life and justice and so forth. Simply accusing them of misogyny doesn’t help because they either don’t know any other way to be or don’t want to be any other way. But looking at it as the result of some other pain in their life (which gets expressed as violent misogyny, well, because that’s what so much of our culture is about) changes the equations. It turns them from heroic crusaders into Comic Book Guy.

Of course it’s also in some ways intensely patronizing, or at least potentially so. But that doesn’t bother me so much.

Comment #14: paul  on  09/14  at  10:22 PM

I’m not actually disagreeing; I’m just remembering a post on this blog on the use of the word “confusion” in a different context on this blog and saying that I don’t see what’s confusing about women being able to make choices about their own lives just like men do.

That’s part of the problem:  they find the idea of making their own choices—and being responsible for those choices—to be terrifying.  There is something very simple about knowing exactly what your role is and exactly how you’re supposed to act in a given situation (WWJWD—What Would John Wayne Do?)

That’s one of the reasons for the rage.  A lot of times, MRAs and similar guys feel like there’s a script that’s supposed to be followed, and the woman/women in their life is going off-script and how the hell are they supposed to know what to do now?  Sure, the script these men were following sucked and it made them unhappy, but at least they knew what was expected of them and how much effort they would need to put in.  Now they’re totally at sea and unsure what’s supposed to come next in the timeline of their life.

Comment #15: Mnemosyne  on  09/14  at  10:45 PM

That’s one of the reasons for the rage.  A lot of times, MRAs and similar guys feel like there’s a script that’s supposed to be followed, and the woman/women in their life is going off-script and how the hell are they supposed to know what to do now?  Sure, the script these men were following sucked and it made them unhappy, but at least they knew what was expected of them and how much effort they would need to put in.  Now they’re totally at sea and unsure what’s supposed to come next in the timeline of their life.

That sounds a lot like pick up artists too.  The bit about there being some script, and if you just do certain things right, you’re guaranteed certain responses from other people.  Aah, the connections!

Comment #16: rowmyboat  on  09/14  at  10:52 PM

Once again, I’ve not got much to say except: I’m really glad you posted this. Thanks, Amanda.

Comment #17: Alexander  on  09/14  at  11:03 PM

I had my first run-in with these types 35 years ago, and it was instructive—they haven’t changed a whit.

I was handing out fliers for a “Women’s Liberation” march in New York City at Port Authority Bus Terminal to, mostly, commuters, I guess, when a woman in her 40s came over and asked for a pile of them.

Why not? I handed her a pile of fliers, and with a mean-spirited smirk she tore them in half. “That’s what I think of this!” she said with triumph.

At which point I realized she had come from the table with the blown-up fetus posters, and I replied, “That’s the difference between us—I haven’t torn up YOUR fliers.”

Deflated, the anti-choice bitch slunk back to her anti-choice table.

It’s all about something twisted in their own lives, and displacing that emotion on trying to control the lives of others.

Comment #18: judybrowni  on  09/14  at  11:26 PM

Why do you have to mention the fact that she was in her 40’s Judy?

Is it because you’re an AGEIST?

I’m kidding, really, you’re alright.

Comment #19: hiyah  on  09/15  at  12:33 AM

Deflated, the anti-choice bitch slunk back…

I would have said sexist rather than ageist (even though I like judibrowni’s POV, and she needed a short snappy noun there).

I too really admire Amanda’s post.  Generous and fair, a step forward.

Comment #20: Unree  on  09/15  at  01:31 AM

At 59, I’M an ageist?  Hey you whippersnappers, get off my lawn!

Merely reporting the facts (for some reason, none of the women back at the fetus table were in their teens or 20s), and you don’t think it was a bitch move to tear up a bunch of fliers?

Hardly think it would be more on target to call her a bastard (snark.)

Comment #21: judybrowni  on  09/15  at  02:29 AM

Wow, this has to be one of the best posts I’ve ever seen you write, AM.

Just incredibly, incredibly thoughtful analysis on a complicated issue.  Reminds me that while we we on the pro-choice Left certainly shouldn’t condone or celebrate the anti-choice activities of Mr. Poullion, we also shouldn’t just jump to the easy conclusion that he did those things simply “because he was evil”.  Life and people are so much deeper than that, and there is a ton of gray to it all… I often forget that while humans can do some really vile things in their lives, more often than not it is rooted in some personal feelings of pain, anguish, or loss, which are very real.  And of course those things don’t justify the ways in which a lot of these folks choose to cope with the feelings, but it does help to make you realize that they are indeed real human beings who can experience grief and pain like the rest of us.  My first gut instinct to a lot of these folks is to jump to the overly simplistic “it’s because they’re evil” analysis, but this really made me think more on this.

I’m particularly struck by the example of Mr. Rohrbaugh.  I mean, the things that guy does, to me, are just vile and disgusting, and without considering the full context of his life story, it’s easy for me to conclude, “that guy’s an evil prick”.  But when reminded that he did indeed suffer a huge personal loss, a tragedy no parent should ever have to face, I forget that he feels pain just like anybody else.  And despite how inappropriate I may consider the manner he chooses to cope with that pain, what he does is likely driven by his very real, very valid sense of pain - not some innate inner “evil”.

Anyway, I guess I’m most impressed by this piece because it is the complete opposite of the reaction delivered by the Right in the wake of Dr. Tiller’s death.  Most of the anti-choice pundits seemed to be saying (at best), “Yeah, this was a tragedy, Tiller didn’t deserve this, and Roeder shouldn’t have done it… but did I tell you what a huge POS I think Tiller was?” and then would dedicate the remainder of their article or monologue to demonizing the hell out of Tiller, and while not all of them necessarily outright said, “he deserved it”, the narrative they built up around Tiller was designed to get their audience to feel exactly that sentiment.

Comment #22: DTG in STL  on  09/15  at  04:57 AM

“I mean, the things that guy does, to me, are just vile and disgusting, and without considering the full context of his life story, it’s easy for me to conclude, “that guy’s an evil prick”.”

Being an evil prick and suffering personal tragedy are not mutually exclusive.  Just like being a pox on the face of sane society and being the undeserving victim of some psycho with a gun are not mutually exclusive.  Hopefully we’ve hit the point as a species where we can entertain the idea that someone’s an asshole of supernova dimensions as well as the idea that they aren’t therefore asking for it if tragedy strikes.

Comment #23: preying mantis  on  09/15  at  08:46 AM

But at times like these, it’s good to take a moment and remember that they’re human beings.  Often, they’re human beings awash in pain and suffering they can’t even get a handle on, and so they lash out at the world and specifically at targets that right wing leaders set up for them.  They are human beings who deserve to live and struggle against the cruel world as much as the rest of us.  And when something like this happens to one of them, it’s an unmitigated tragedy.

I think this paragraph was incredibly powerful, especially coming from a blogger who has criticized (and will surely continue to criticize)  these people so uncompromisingly. 

A lot of times, MRAs and similar guys feel like there’s a script that’s supposed to be followed, and the woman/women in their life is going off-script and how the hell are they supposed to know what to do now?

This is right on target.

Comment #24: Laurie  on  09/15  at  10:02 AM

That is about the best post I have ever read by Ms. Marcotte. 

However, in order to push the Blaspheme button I will say it is too bad the churches that help to organize the harassment of abortion clinics and their staffs are not targeted for harassment by the pro-choice activists.

Comment #25: mnsr  on  09/15  at  01:28 PM

judybrowni @ 18 - the day the Civil Unions Bill was being voted on here, I went down to Parliament in my lunch-hour and joined the ‘pro’ side of the rally.  I ended up standing very close to the smaller contingent of ‘antis’ and tried to chat to some of them.  The big thing I remember is how extraordinarily humourless and desperate they were.  The public prayers that one man, wearing a footlong cross around his neck, was leading were violent, insulting and bizarrely frantic.  Looking back now I have to wonder, what private pain was driving that? 

And on the difference between them and us; when one ‘anti’ woman broke through to our side and climbed on an unstable metal barricade in order to cover one of our most prominent signs with her own, myself and another ‘pro’ immediately leapt forward and held the barricade steady so that she wouldn’t fall.  Another ‘pro’ man then helped her to get down safely.  Nobody from our side ever tried to deface or cover their signs.

Comment #26: Theadosia  on  09/15  at  09:44 PM

this may seem sort of weird -
lately, because i can’t actually do much, my best friend and i have been re-watching Buffy and Angel.
and, i discovered that there are some episodes i had never seen -
end of the first season of Angel, there is an episode that has, as the main villian, a blind woman who blinded herself to gain power (she was able to “see” sort of infared, and she was able to, mostly, see what attacks were coming before they started - to beat her, Angel would freeze and not move while she flailed around, because she could only see movement, then he would deliver a lighting-fast attack she couldn’t anticipate, because there was no pre-movement involved. anyway…) she’s an assassin, working for “Wolfram and Hart” (the series’ main bad guy).
and one of the lawyers for W&H;is told to “find” experiences and “abuses"that she “suffered” as a child because she was blind, so that if she was caught on her next assignment, they would already have a good defense. she had been contracted to kill 3 children (they looked around 9) who were seers, who were the most powerful seers in the world when they worked together, and they were all blind.
so the lawyer goes to Angel, because he can’t be part of killing *children* (and he had, in the past, at least looked past lots of other evil acts - he just tried to draw the line at children).
so Angel and team research the woman.
she had blinded herself to gain the powers she had - and she gained them because she achieved a form of enlightenment.
yet she was, personally, very very very evil. she *enjoyed* murdering and hurting people, enjoyed their terror and pain. and, it turns out, that she enjoyed it because she really had been abused and suffered as a child.

and so i’ve been thinking about it - at what point do we stop trying to “heal” people, and start actually stopping them?
with bullshit like the “trans panic” defense - people are, quite literally, getting away with murder because they have a sob story. and it’s not that i don’t think their pain is valid (i mean, *I* have both a sob story *and* a built in excuse/defense because i have PTSD) it’s just that i am, well - to be honest, i am completely fed up - i had a horrible fucked up childhood, and i am told by all and sundry to “just get over it”, because the only person i have tried to hurt is myself - but some asshole who went thru a tenth of what i went thru can be aquitted for murder because of his “messed up” childhood. i mean, here i am, working for well over a decade to overcome and rise above my childhood, doing everything i can personally to try and prevent other kids from going thru it, doing my damndest to atone to the universe for the evil that was done *TO* me, but there are people who want me to stop what i am doing and take the time to research and understand and empathize with the people who are ATTACKING me and mine?
i’m not talking about AMANDA, or this post (which is a beautiful post, btw, and i DO think it’s important to remember) I’m talking about the way things tend to be portrayed in the MSM - man kills a transwoman, well he did it because he had a horrible childhood, his mother sometimes even spanked him, and he always had a hard time with women, and then he meets this wonderful woman and starts to fall in love with her and then she’s “not a woman” and he feels “betrayed” and “lied to” and he “panics” and KILLS her - but this is ALL OK and NOT HIS FAULT. or even the damned Chris Brown thing - the first I heard of that was LITERALLY a post on someone’s blog asking what Rhianna had done to MAKE Brown hit her.

i guess what i am saying is that i am sick of being expected to have empathy for those who attack me, when they don’t even possess civility or politeness - they act as if anyone who isn’t like them is undeserving of basic goddamned common curtesy and human kindness.

YES i feel very much for people who have lost loved ones; it’s just that I, too, have lost loved ones, but i don’t use that as a fucking excuse to hurt other people, in large ways or small (and tearing up those flyers, or trying to deface your signs and replace with their own - those are small hurts, but they are still hurts). what happened to “love thy neighbor” and “as you do unto the least of these, so do you do to me”? and why is it only people who are considered “left-ish” (or rather, people who are not accepted by the Right) who seem to be punished for their crimes? black men jailed for years for possession of pot, white men fined $500 for SELLING COCAIN.
WHY.
sorry; rant over

Comment #27: denelian  on  09/16  at  04:05 AM

I have to wonder if Rohrbaugh’s son was a bully whose actions were endorsed, if not supported by his parents, as those who had tormented the gunmen were the first to be picked off.

Comment #28: Ms Kate  on  09/16  at  12:11 PM

Point being that it is much easier to generalize one’s own guilt to some random outside evil like Abortion! than accept responsibility for encouraging a climate of mayhem, endorsing a guns=manliness and “real men take care of things with guns” culture, and thinking that your kid’s ceaseless harassment of other kids is cute or macho.

Comment #29: Ms Kate  on  09/16  at  12:14 PM

and so i’ve been thinking about it - at what point do we stop trying to “heal” people, and start actually stopping them?

It’s a very tricky thing, but I think it’s the difference between empathy and sympathy.  We can understand why someone would commit murder without excusing their actions.  Unfortunately, a lot of people have to see it as black-and-white—either the person is a pure victim and not responsible for their actions or the person is pure evil no matter what happened to them. 

I hate to fall back on movies but, hey, I have two film degrees, so it’s what I know.  There’s a scene in the movie Manhunter where profiler Will Graham (William Petersen) talks about the childhood of pain and abuse that their serial killer suffered through and he has this exchange with his boss:

Jack Crawford: “You feel sorry for him.”
Will Graham: “As a child, my heart bleeds for him. Someone took a little boy and turned him into a monster. But as an adult… as an adult, he’s irredeemable. He butchers whole families to fulfill some sick fantasy. As an adult, I think someone should blow the sick fuck out of his socks.”

Comment #30: Mnemosyne  on  09/16  at  02:20 PM

I just wanted to ad some additional information to complete the picture. According to Mr. Pouillon’s son, Mr. Drake’s family, and the Shiawassee County Prosecutor this was not an abortion-related shooting.

Comment #31: ema  on  09/19  at  12:30 AM

i thought i had left a reply - where did it go? sorry!

Memosyne - that is something i hadn’t considered; that desire for a black-and-white only world… your example is well taken. i’ll have to think about it more, but you’ve given me a good place to start - thank you.


ema - thank you, too - it’s good to have additional verification. although i am sure that some (many?) anti-abortion people will continue to say that it *was* “abortion related” and etc

Comment #32: denelian  on  09/19  at  03:47 AM
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