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Stuff White People Like #104: Wondering When Minorities Will Stop Doing Weird Shit

imageBelle Waring notes some hope in the power of Negrosity on the horizon: Mickey Kaus is hoping and Mary Battiata is wondering (the distinction is different, as Kaus seems like a befuddled white guy who just really hates the silly shit some black people do, while Battiata seems cluelessly naive about the whole matter) whether or not Barack Obama’s election will do away with the baggy clothes and hippity-hop gun music. 

Lately I’ve been wondering what an Obama White House might mean for the future of bling. For the fate of heavy gold, medallions, below-the-butt denim, the whole hip-hop gangsta fashion habit.

Given that we don’t elect The Official Black President until summer of 2010 (the election is actually scheduled for the same day as Election Day this year, but, you know, Colored People Time), I don’t think that Obama’s election will give the final nod for all of Black America to get our grown man on.  Black monoliths do not run the entire black community, even if we all can recite one of several Chris Rock jokes at the drop of a kufi.

What if January 20, 2009 turned out to be not just a cultural and clothing pivot point for adults—a return to the minimalism of sleek, 60s-era sharkskin suits, the containment of golf-ball sized Barbara Bush costume pearls—but a watershed fashion moment for teenaged boys? Picture it. On Inauguration Day next year, thousands and thousands of young men and boys from city street corners to suburbs, look up from their X-Boxes and catch a glimpse of the impeccable President Barack and First Lady Michelle Obama climbing the steps of the Capitol and suddenly feel… unfashionable. Out of it. Old.

Because we all know where black teenage males in the hood get their inspiration from - famous middle-aged people.  I’ll never forget when I was a kid and everyone was in those Cosby sweaters…man, that was a hot ass summer.

What if they are overcome by the same stunned, something’s-happening-here feeling that teenagers in the early 60s, their closets full of sock hop regalia, felt when they first laid eyes on The Beatles in 1964, on the nationally televised Ed Sullivan Show.

Motherfucker, are you out of your blessed fucking mind?  The “gangsta” style and the “bling” you so thankfully appropriated from Weezy and the Hot Boyz are not the fashion choices of 1950s white America.  The oversized white tee you see is not from Black Hollister, much as you might wish.  It hearkens back to prison time, when gang members wore baggy clothes because that’s what the DOC gave them.  And prison, thankfully, is not the black sock hop.

Baggy clothes and the hip-hop culture are statements about the pervasiveness and inescapability of crime in black inner-city neighborhoods.  The shit ain’t keen, dumbass.

For adults, this kind of moment is, at most, something to take note of. To a teenager, it’s a gale force warning of imminent social tsunami, an urgent prod from the eyeballs and the amygdala that to everything there is a season, and now is the time to change, change, change. Ask not what you can do for your closet, but what your closet, if ignored, can do to you.

From a friend to a jackass, this is the season of shutting the fuck up. 

The relationship of clothing to behavior is real. Clothes may not “make the man,” but they shape the mind in ways large and small. Ask any stay-at-home parent, freelance writer or invalid who has spent one too many days in baggy sweats and stained T-shirts and begins to notice (in a semi-alarmed, detached sort of way, of course) a dwindling of discipline and energy. The well-known Rx for this condition is a shower and a change into grown-up clothes, the kind with seams that may pinch the body, but can help focus the head.

Maybe they can go get a job serving at the malt shop, too!  You know, right next to where Punkinhead got shot last Friday.

Until Barack Obama came along, the most visible pop culture exemplar of 1960s suit-and-tie style was the tightly-wound Rev. Louis Farrakhan. But Farrakhan, for all his former high visibility, was never mainstream. It’s no surprise that he failed to inspire a national craze for slim suits and buffed oxfords.

There’s a black man up top pointing at you.  It’s not a gun.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 08:31 PM • (56) Comments

I went over to my 10 and 12 year old boys and asked “what do you do when somebody says ‘great job’ ...”  I then held up my fist and they assumed the receptive fist bump position without thinking.

Then they told me how stupid they thought the whole to do with Obama doing this was, and guessed he and his wife learned it from their kids.  They also said that one of their crunchy teachers got her panties in a bunch over it, thinking it was a violent gang thing.

Stupid cuts both ways.

Then I remembered the “high five” craze that started around the time I was about seven or eight or so ... at least that is when it arrived in my life.  Same sort of crazy shit with old white people.  At least nobody ever accused anybody around me of cultural cooption with that move.  Just racist shit, from old people.

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  06/16  at  08:36 PM

If McCain wins, I guess I’ll have to put away my indie rock band T-shirts.  Because that will be the sign to white people that it’s time to grow up.  A white person is in the White House now.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/16  at  08:40 PM

Wait—comparing Barack to the Beatles?

Barack is 45.  The Beatles were ~21 on Ed Sullivan. 


I know that the Boomers have tried to redefine middle-aged, and it’s true people are living longer, but still.

The rest of the quotage…sorry, my brain checked out on the stupid.  Just Hell NO.

Ms. Kate, I just held my fist up at my almost 8 y/o son.  He smiled at me goofily and “dapped” me back.  FSM preserve us!  My son’s in a GANG!  He’s a TERRA-IST!!!!

Comment #3: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/16  at  08:43 PM

Wow, now I’m especially glad that Hillary didn’t become the candidate.

Because ain’t no way I’m going to leave behind my t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers in favor of pant suits.

Comment #4: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  08:49 PM

If Richardson had won, we’d all be wearing bolo ties and Klingon beards.  Just saying.

Comment #5: Jesse Taylor  on  06/16  at  08:54 PM

grown-up clothes, the kind with seams that may pinch the body, but can help focus the head

Haven’t people been arguing for going on 60 years now that ties resctrict the flow of blood to the brain?

These kids and their loud music. Why are they so angry?

Comment #6: paul  on  06/16  at  08:57 PM

Huh, so we’d all be my late grandfather.  Interesting.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/16  at  08:57 PM

Okay, so I must confess that I have had my “white people” moments wondering why many black and Latina women wear those long nails with the swirly designs and diamond encrusted Boeing jet planes on them. When you consider the practicality of such nails in a bank or at a post office (which is where I often see them), you have to wonder what people are thinking. Also, the gold chains with women’s names on them, that women wear. Is that in case you forget your name, or something?

But as someone who has always lacked a fashion sense, who am I to ask?

The “dap” stuff with Obama and wife is ridiculous. The first time I saw people do that was about ten years ago, when I was dating my very white husband and used to watch him play darts with his dart league. Whenever someone hit a bull’s eye or did well for the team, the other players would “dap” him. At first, being the racist that I am, I thought it was a Cuban thing, because one of my husband’s friends and the captain of the team was Cuban-American. Then, I thought it was an Italian thing because one of the guys on the team was an Italian-American. Then, I thought it might be an Irish thing because another guy on the team was Irish-American.

And then, I realized that every damn player in the dart league did this “dapping” business, and I came to see that it was just another American thing that middle-aged men do at the bar. It seems to have transferred over into a thing that American women do, too, which is fine with me. I don’t care if Michelle Obama is a dapper. But I did find the “Baby Mama” stuff deeply offensive.

Comment #8: Foucault  on  06/16  at  08:59 PM

Imagine what we’d be wearing if Romney had won.

Comment #9: MH  on  06/16  at  09:04 PM

Too bad Mickey didn’t put on his big boy clothes before he began to write this.

Comment #10: Rob  on  06/16  at  09:06 PM

Foucault, most of the time when I’m questioning a woman’s fashion choices, I find it’s my own.  “Why did I think that my boobs wouldn’t look kind of pokey in this?”, or at a recent Cure concert, “How on earth did I not realize that they would play for THREE HOURS before I selected heels to wear?”  I went straight home and ordered a pair of Doc Martens-esque Mary Janes.  They might scream 90s, but the 90s to me screams comfort.

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/16  at  09:09 PM

If Richardson had won, we’d all be wearing bolo ties and Klingon beards.  Just saying.
Which is reason number #440,453,235 why Richardson should had been picked.

Comment #12: Jonathan Hohensee  on  06/16  at  09:10 PM

why many black and Latina women wear those long nails with the swirly designs

I’ve always guessed it’s because it’s a relatively affordable, inoffensive, and impermanent way to adorn yourself, in a way that isn’t “for” anyone else but yourself.  I would also guess that the ritual of the nail salon is another big part of it, and the salon as a space for women who may not have ‘a room of their own’ at home to bond and be with their peers or just take time out for themselves away from husbands and kids and work.

Personally, extravagantly decorated and bejewelled fingernails makes a hell of a lot more sense to me than tanning yourself orange or yanking your pubic hair out by the roots.

Comment #13: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  09:11 PM

the containment of golf-ball sized Barbara Bush costume pearls

But, Amanda, clearly according to the article, the 90’s really scream Barbara-Bush-As-Fashion-Icon.

This is the second time in the last few weeks that some bullshit article has tried to convince me that anyone under the age of 80 ever put the words “Barbara Bush” and “style inspiration” in the same sentence while sober.  WTF?

Comment #14: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  09:20 PM

“Foucault, most of the time when I’m questioning a woman’s fashion choices, I find it’s my own.”

Well, I question my own fashion sense, too (in addition to everyone else’s). 

The other week during the HEAT WAVE, I tried on this short, light-wight, pastel-green wrap-around skirt that I bought in 2004. I was going to wear it to work until I noticed that it rode midway between my knees and my thighs. “In no parallel universe does this skirt look professional,” a little voice told me, so instead I wore a sleeveless shirt with nothing under it so that people could inadvertently see my bra all day. Talk about embarrassing! Or there was the day I wore a gorgeous yellow silk blouse, not realizing that my pink bra showed clearly though the flimsy material. Or there was the autumn/winter I wore TEVA sandals with slacks and socks until my hip-ass students started laughing at me… So I *do* have some work to do as a potential fashion template.

PS: I agree with The Opoponax that black women’s clickety-clackety extravagant nails are way cooler than orange white people with no pubes! And I admire all the women who buy hooker-heeled shoes just so they can sit with them on at their desks, but never actually walk in them. Power to purple!

Comment #15: Foucault  on  06/16  at  09:26 PM

I think almost anyone can be forgiven for fashion crimes during a New York City heat wave.  I have, for instance, acquired an outrageously trendy and feminine little sundress with crocheted straps and a flounce at the bottom.  It looks like a nightgown, or something Clara Bow would have worn to ride the Steeplechase at Coney Island circa 1922.  I frankly don’t give a shit, and wouldn’t even if Hillary’s nomination had made yellow gabardine pantsuits with gigantic pearl buttons mandatory for everyone lacking a Y chromosome.

Comment #16: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  09:34 PM

Lately I’ve been wondering what a Kaus punditocracy might mean for the future of goat attire.

Comment #17: rea  on  06/16  at  09:43 PM

Oh, I love those trendy flouncy sun-dresses! The problem is that I am too tall to wear them without feeling like a pregnant stork of some sort. 

I am going to buy a white lace sun-dress so that I feel like the Virgin Mary meets Laura Ashley.

Comment #18: Foucault  on  06/16  at  09:44 PM

Oh, yeah, in addition to feeling like I’m walking around in old lady lingerie, I also feel like I look pregnant.  I’ve decided to just get over that part, too.

Comment #19: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  09:49 PM

Actually, I think I would like Obama more if HE wore a sun-dress every now and again, or at least some pink or aquamarine something. Why so somber? No male in politics has good fashion sense. They all look the same, which is bad.

At least Obama has a nice smile…

Comment #20: Foucault  on  06/16  at  09:56 PM

really. obama would look very nice in a light pink polo or button-down shirt. that’s flattering to that sort of skin tone. my brother is very very tan and looks great in pink and yellow. hmm i can even picture the aquamarine. smile

Comment #21: chibi  on  06/16  at  10:01 PM

The Beatles weren’t starting a dapper suit fashion trend.  They wore suits because that’s what bands had to do at the time to be respectable and appear on television.  They did, however, cause a great deal of consternation amongst the guardians of Proper Adult Clothing for the length of their hair.

Hip fashion afterwards proceeded to get ever more unconventional for quite some time.  Or are there pictures of the crowd Woodstock out there full of Hippies dressed like bankers that I have just never seen before?

Comment #22: rufustfyrfly  on  06/16  at  10:03 PM

If I were in a vacuum, I wouldn’t have thought that dropped trou had anything at all to do with being black. From the looks of the high school kids using public transit to the urban high school near where I work, it would be a Chinese, southeast Asian, and Hispanic thing.

Very funny to see those no-butt kids drop a belt hole or two, slide em down, and get on the last bus.  Meanwhile, the girls are having a make up party, holding up mirrors for each other and doing makeup jobs for eachother.  I guess dropping trou and makeup are forbidden for some of these kids - except when mom and dad aren’t there to watch.

Comment #23: Ms Kate  on  06/16  at  10:05 PM

How can it be hip to look like a plumber?

Comment #24: Foucault  on  06/16  at  10:08 PM

Thanks for a good laugh.  I hasten to add that as an overweight older white guy (6-ft.; 255lbs; 50+) I always felt that one of hip-hops greatest contributions to modern culture (& which I also must note, for Kaus & co., goes back to the late-80s/early 90s) was baggy jeans, baggy & looser shorts & shirts, etc.  Also, f’rinstance, is it not impossible to watch old basketball highlights w/ the Ofc. Dangle shorts, or old TV w/ Vinny Barbarino tight tees, & not cringe?

Comment #25: mofo  on  06/16  at  10:10 PM

opoponax, your dress sounds cute.  I really love retro fashion, having once owned a copy of the dress Marilyn Monroe wore in the subway grate scene in “Seven Year Itch.” 

I have to say, though, that it would be a good thing if people thought a bit more about how they look in particular items of clothing.  I have been soooo grateful that the hiphugger craze is going away.  For two years I had a legal assistant who wore that kind of thing and I learned the colors of her entire underwear wardrobe.  Also, everyone really should pay attention to personal hygeine more in hot weather.  I used to work for the Texas Employment Commission, where I frequently met with people who decided to give up soap while they were unemployed.  NOT a good idea, especially in a hot climate.

Comment #26: Karen  on  06/16  at  10:13 PM

Lately I’ve been wondering what would happen if we told aging hipster crackers that I didn’t care if those gloves were made out of hemp at Lollapalooza ‘92 and I definitely don’t care now.

Comment #27: norbizness  on  06/16  at  10:22 PM

Man, the difference between a ’ and a “

Comment #28: norbizness  on  06/16  at  10:22 PM

Vinny Barbarino is my ultimate fashion icon.  In fact, mofo, in honor of your comment I think I might wear bellbottoms and one of those 3/4 sleeve baseball shirts to work tomorrow.

Comment #29: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  10:34 PM

Your friendly neighborhood blog goddess got it, norb.

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/16  at  10:35 PM

I like pant suits.  I have a lovely cream colored linen one, for example.  And it sure beats the hell out of skirt suits.

Comment #31: rowmyboat  on  06/16  at  10:38 PM

aging hipster crackers

A while ago I overheard some usetabee talking about Studio 54 and thought, how sad is that.

I wonder if Mary B. will write an insightful piece on the lingering style influence of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad on Louis Farrakhan, George F. Will, and Tucker Carlson.

Comment #32: Hector B.  on  06/16  at  10:41 PM

true dat, rowmyboat.

To be honest I don’t have anything in particular against the pantsuit as formal business attire for women (and have always wanted my own take on “le smoking” for such occasions in my own life).  I just take umbrage at the idea that one of these days, possibly in response to a middle aged political figure’s landmark victory, I’m going to suddenly decide to “grow up” and get rid of all the comfortable clothes that reflect my personality in order to conform to some idea of how Civilized Grownups Are Supposed To Look.

Comment #33: The Opoponax  on  06/16  at  10:44 PM

At least most plumbers are employed and make good money ... although I give my niece’s partner crap about his urban wardrobe’s dropped pants whenever I get the chance, as he IS a plumber.

Comment #34: Ms Kate  on  06/16  at  11:00 PM

Actually, if you want to get into fashion crap of the white world, take a look at Lindsay Lohan or Amhy Winehouse. Holy insufferable hair-do! It’s too painful to watch Wino degenerate, and as for Lohan stealing and ruining other peoples’ clothes, it kind of wants to make you wrap her hair around a fire hydrant and pee on it.

Comment #35: Foucault  on  06/16  at  11:26 PM

Opoponax—in High School, I had a pair of elephant bells, totally frayed at the cuff from my maroon Converse (low top).  A coupla yrs later I added the 3/4 baseball shirt to my repertoire.  Oh to be skinny (or just not fat) again!  On another point, living in South Florida, I have developed over the past 30-yrs quite the fondness/borderline-fetish for long, acrylic, multi-colored &/or bejewelled nails (on woman).  Go figure.

Comment #36: mofo  on  06/17  at  12:44 AM

rufustfyrfly:

The Beatles weren’t starting a dapper suit fashion trend. They wore suits because that’s what bands had to do at the time to be respectable and appear on television.

And they hated every second of it. They’d have much rather been wearing black leather jackets over white t-shirts, black jeans, and biker boots. And gelled-up pompadours instead of the bowl cuts.

More directly relevant to the post, this is just another example of a prominent member of a socially otherered group being expected to represent that entire group all by him- or herself. Nobody ever calls a heterosexual Christian white guy a credit to his sexuality, religion, race or gender.

Comment #37: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  06/17  at  01:54 AM

he containment of golf-ball sized Barbara Bush costume pearls

That’s the most balls-ass retarded thing I’ve read all day.

And that’s including this shit about the AP charging bloggers by the word.

Comment #38: Dan  on  06/17  at  04:08 AM

something Clara Bow would have worn to ride the Steeplechase at Coney Island circa 1922.

hot damn, a clara bow reference! you the Opoponax are a woman after my own heart.

as to the original post, i thought the new hip hop look was that pastel 80s prep look anyway, like kanye and his clothing line?

and seriously, i’m pretty certain nobody except terminally unhip white people have said “bling” in like what, 5 years?

i must admit tho, that i base all my wardrobe decisions on what dick cheney is wearing. dont we all?

Comment #39: jessilikewhoa  on  06/17  at  04:17 AM

Hey, hey, hey!  Obama’s a formidable candidate, but he could never defeat the K.I.N.G. Medallions.

BTW Jesse, who do you like for Black President once Jigga is termed out?  I think Method Man’s been putting in an impressive performance on the campaign trail lately.

Comment #40: scythia  on  06/17  at  06:24 AM

Remember when the reason Al Gore shouldn’t be president was that he wore 3-button suits?  If he had become prexy, I would have been right in fashion, since my one suit is a 3-button.  Or, maybe that’s not how fashion works.

Comment #41: klk  on  06/17  at  07:45 AM

Scythia, that’s no eagle on the wrist.

Comment #42: Jesse Taylor  on  06/17  at  08:21 AM

From a friend to a jackass, this is the season of shutting the fuck up.

OK Jesse, you win the internet today! smile

Comment #43: Dunc  on  06/17  at  08:56 AM

i base all my wardrobe decisions on what dick cheney is wearing

Confession time (again?).

In 2004 Cheney wore a light blue shirt with a dark red tie for one of the debates, and I thought it looked slightly dapper.  I felt so evil watching that debate.

Comment #44: The Opoponax  on  06/17  at  09:33 AM

Whenever I hear an old white person say the word “bling” it makes me want to bang my head against a cement wall.

Comment #45: Ben D.  on  06/17  at  10:34 AM

“an insightful piece on the lingering style influence of The Honorable Elijah Muhammad on Louis Farrakhan, George F. Will, and Tucker Carlson.”

BWAH!!

Comment #46: erinelizabeth  on  06/17  at  10:45 AM

(shrugs)

Call me a racist, but all you Americans look alike to me.

Comment #47: seeker6079  on  06/17  at  11:39 AM

I know the nerd thing stopped being cool when Wired magazine started carrying Absolut ads, but there are still a lot of us out there recreating the world in jeans and rock band shirts who don’t need suits to grow up.

Comment #48: canuckistani  on  06/17  at  11:54 AM

ben d - when old white people* start using a word, it’s a sign from god that the word has forever lost all hipness. 

*of which I am one

Comment #49: Rugosa  on  06/17  at  12:14 PM

The Texas Panda Contingent* laughst at your “new york heat wave.”


*which would be an awesome Rock Band name!

Comment #50: MH  on  06/17  at  01:07 PM

The New York Panda Contingent laughs at the Texans who have no fucking idea how hot it gets here.

You see, in New York, virtually no homes have central air.  We have to actually live in our climate, here.  Most people also don’t drive, which means we have to walk around outdoors a lot, and a lot of apartment buildings don’t even have elevators (or have elevators and public areas which are not ventilated in any way, like my building).

When a “heat wave” strikes Austin, you just pump the AC and forget about it.  When the same temperatures hit New York, you basically just have to deal with it.

Not to mention that, from what I’ve experienced, most of Texas gets a much drier heat than NYC does.

Comment #51: The Opoponax  on  06/17  at  01:42 PM

“The New York Panda Contingent laughs at the Texans who have no fucking idea how hot it gets here.”

Yes, we snigger at your so-called “heat waves,” you whiny Texans. Come to New York and experience the real sauna effect: how the sidewalk almost seems to melt on a blistering day, how the birds wilt and fall out of the sky, how the little doggies stumble on their way home from the dog runs…

The Opoponax is right that there is really no escaping it. I have great AC, but even then, it can only protect you inside your apartment. As soon as you leave the house, it’s a whole different ball game of going from air-conditioned building to air conditioned building all along your shopping route, or whatever it is you are trying to accomplish. And of course the traffic and the sky scrapers trap that heat and make it so much worse.

Comment #52: Foucault  on  06/17  at  02:03 PM

I had the misfortune to live in Dallas for 7 years and I can tell you that it is one steamy, filthy-aired city.  The wind never blows in the summer, so every day is an “ozone alert day”—not just smog, either, but a very high pollen count (plus all the molds growing in the ever-running AC units) means that if you ain’t allergic to anything when you arrive, you will be when you leave.  I couldn’t get over:  how many bugs per square inch it had; summers of 100 consecutive days over 100 degrees; 132 degrees on the heat index (that’s the opposite of the wind chill factor—heat plus steam plus smog, in the shade); how the sky could turn black and pour rain down and it would still be 95 degrees; walking out of the house at 7 am to be greeted by a blast like a just-opened oven full of damp rags.  In the wet summers, the green plants grow so fast that it’ll go right over you if you stand still too long.  It can be sticky and hot from late April to mid-November, and I know that’s not true of New York.  So there.

Next time I’ll take NYC.  At least there’s something to do in the sucky heat.

Comment #53: Roving Thundercloud  on  06/17  at  03:23 PM

Completely off-topic, but to me Jay-Z always looks like an investment banker or a lawyer, not a gangsta rap star, and it’s not the way he dresses.  Can’t explain it, but there it is.

Comment #54: Mnemosyne  on  06/17  at  04:47 PM

summers of 100 consecutive days over 100 degrees; 132 degrees on the heat index

Our summers aren’t as long, but they’re just as hot.  And definitely more humid - if you aren’t aware of that, you’ve clearly not been to New York in July.  OK, 130’s heat index is pushing it, but not by a whole lot.

(that’s the opposite of the wind chill factor—heat plus steam plus smog, in the shade)

Sweetie, I’m from New Orleans.  Don’t even start with that.


how the sky could turn black and pour rain down and it would still be 95 degrees; walking out of the house at 7 am to be greeted by a blast like a just-opened oven full of damp rags.

Sounds just like July in New York to me. 

It can be sticky and hot from late April to mid-November, and I know that’s not true of New York.

Yes, I’ll admit our summers aren’t quite as long.  But It’s sticky and hot from Memorial Day through Halloween.

Not to mention what I said above.  132 heat index is pretty much the same as 75 if you’ve got central AC and a car, which everyone in Dallas who isn’t destitute has.  It’ll be 90 degrees in my apartment every night for the next 2 months, no matter what I do.  I will be walking half a mile every morning in 95 degree heat and humidity until after Labor Day, at least.

Don’t underestimate a New York City summer until you’ve actually lived through one.  There’s a reason the Hamptons exist, and it ain’t because someone realized you could make a lot of money off all those vain and bubbleheaded Sex And The City fans.

Comment #55: The Opoponax  on  06/17  at  05:10 PM

Completely off-topic, but to me Jay-Z always looks like an investment banker or a lawyer, not a gangsta rap star, and it’s not the way he dresses.  Can’t explain it, but there it is.

i’m pretty sure jay-z is like a super entrepeneur with investments all over the place, so in a way your reaction isnt too far off. the man is hella smart when it comes to money. as opposed to say me, where my investments include video games, comic books, and neon eyeshadow i never remember to actually wear.

Comment #56: jessilikewhoa  on  06/17  at  07:04 PM
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