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“Stupid”, “racist”, and “scared” are not mutually exclusive categories

Look, the sooner we admit that the same group of people who resisted desegregation didn’t just up and become enlightened in 1970 all at once, the better off we’ll be. I’m particularly annoyed that Gene Lyons leaned on Rick Perlstein’s descriptions of the fear of the hard right nuts showing up at town halls to somehow disprove that the people who are showing up are motivated by racism.

Video of a town hall meeting with Democratic House members at Arkansas Children’s Hospital showed protesters trembling with emotion. Writing in the Washington Post, historian Rick Perlstein (“Nixonland”) noticed the same thing: “The quiver on the lips of the man pushing the wheelchair, the crazed risk of carrying a pistol around a president – too heartfelt to be an act.”

Why?  Because Rick did an amazing job in Nixonland of spelling out how racism informed the right wing paranoia at the time, detailing the urban legends that erupted in the wake of the Freedom Ride, with the one that really stuck out at me (for being so bizarre) being the widely held belief amongst Southern whites that dogs strongly reacted to the smell of “sex” on Freedom Riders.  No, I’m not joking. 

Lyons is right that fear can erupt into violence, and that’s we should be afraid of the fear that we’re seeing in the right.  But I fail to see how the genuineness of people’s fear negates the racism that births it.  At least since the Civil War, racism has always been justified by whipping up people into a fearful frenzy. Remember, lynch mobs used to justify their actions by bringing up the specter of black men raping white women.  (That there was no evidence was conveniently ignored.)  These people felt a “genuine” fear, too, but I doubt that Lyons would say that negates their racism or that we’re being unfair to call them racist. 

Clenched jaws, trembling lips, the complete freakout.  It’s all present.  Needless to say, Richard Nixon was able to run on a race-baiting “law and order” campaign, which is basically taking racist fears about black criminality and using that as a campaign platform.  Again, the fears being stoked felt real.  Doesn’t make them one iota less racist. 

In my experience, racial prejudice is transmitted through two main forms: jokes and fear.  There are, in some upper class circles, books and articles trying to “prove” the inferiority of some races, books like The Bell Curve, but for most people, jokes and fear are the main forms of communication of racial prejudice.  Jokes are trotted out as a form of social dominance.  Someone will own the room by making a racist joke, and if you protest, you get slapped with the “no sense of humor” card.  Jokes are an incredibly effective way of setting social norms, because it’s not like someone is going to walk into a room and announce, “I find racial bigotry disgusting, don’t you agree?” unprompted.  So the racist with his jokes sets the tone first. 

But fear’s the other big one.  Fear is rarely that explicit, because it can be transmitted by implication.  (Though not always.  I heard a story from a man recently looking to buy a house in east Austin, and a co-worker said, “It gets a little dark out there at night, doesn’t it?”  It took him a few seconds to realize what the guy was getting at, and didn’t know what to do.)  Well, we’re not talking fear exactly.  What we’re talking about is paranoia.  And what’s great about paranoia as a propaganda tool is that it doesn’t need reality to generate fear.  All you need is to whip people into a frenzy.  Paranoia can exist without any attachment to the real world.  And it is genuinely felt.  More from Lyons:

Conservatives determined to prevent Obama from succeeding understand that their best chance is to frighten poorly informed voters historically susceptible to conspiracy theories – particularly in rural states far from centers of power.

Listening to the idiots go on about Nazis and socialism, I’ve pieced together roughly what the conspiracy theory is.  It doesn’t have to be spelled out—-at this point, the racists are so good at communicating by implication, that’s all they need to do.  They see a black President and assume that he’s going to do what they elect conservative white politicians to do, which is to reinforce their racial dominance.  Or, to be more blunt, they think the black President is using health care reform as a cover to steal from white people and give to black people.  That’s why the “death panels” crap has taken off.  The nutty white people grasp that non-white Americans are more likely to be uninsured than white Americans. Put this information into a paranoid brain that believes in a zero sum game and what you get is this conclusion: In order to pay for more non-white people to get health care, some white people are going to have to die to save money.  And that’s why they’re scared. But if they weren’t so fucking racist, they wouldn’t be scared.

And this, to him, means that we need to set out to persuade these idiots, and to stop calling them stupid racists, even though that’s exactly what they are.  Do you see the problem here?  The reason the rural states, etc. are easy to whip up into a paranoid, often racist frenzy is because they are faced daily with the choice of abandoning their racism and their paranoia or abandoning the ego service their racism gives them.  The notion that we can tackle this problem and beat it during the health care reform debate is laughable.  People have been trying to roll back racist paranoia for more than a century now.  What we’ve found is that you’re not going to get these assholes to give an inch unless they have to. 

The only thing to do when faced with paranoid racists is to get in power and do what has to be done over their squawking.  And trust that they’ll get over it.  At least, they will eventually, and those who don’t will die off and their kids will be a little less racist, or in many cases, they may even turn into people who abhor racism.  If liberals had decided that consensus was important on other racially charged issues before we move—-issues like, oh, desegregation—-we’d still be waiting.  They aren’t going to change their minds.  Their fear is entrenched.  The only thing that will change their minds is immersion therapy, putting them in a situation where they have to face their fears and realize that it wasn’t at all what they thought it would be like. 

To suggest that the opinions of screaming racists must be changed before we can take action is to concede the McCain/Palin argument that crazy racist white people are the only Real Americans®.  No other group gets the privilege of being flattered that our opinion matters no matter what.  Liberals get shut out all the time.  Let’s get past the idea that the most important Americans are the paranoid right wingers.  The sooner we get to marginalizing them, the better off we’ll be.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:42 AM • (51) Comments

And this, to him, means that we need to set out to persuade these idiots, and to stop calling them stupid racists, even though that’s exactly what they are.

I don’t know that he actually expects to persuade them; after all, he wrote about his grandmother’s reflexive prejudice even as she raised him without complaint, so he knows how ingrained that fear is.  IMO, he’s using the same basic tactic the Bushie GOP used with their cute-minority-kid photo ops: persuade the mushy middle that he’s really not so bad as his opposition says, thereby discrediting the screamers (at least temporarily- the mushy-middlers of course don’t stick very well politically).

That’s not to say that I don’t wish he’d be more blunt—I do, and I dearly hope that even though he won’t mock these people publicly, his administration’s working the congressional weenies on this issue.  But I don’t think Obama’s naive or a fool… it’s just that he’s more constrained in public than any previous presidents precisely because he’s black and can’t make any [figurative] sudden moves without freaking out a segment that’s not completely nutso, but still aren’t past their prejudices either.  It’s the flip side of his black-man advantages—he was never successfully feminized or called a wimp like every other Dem I can remember, after all—I suppose.

Comment #1: latts  on  08/20  at  11:04 AM

A friend was telling me how, before the election, a woman was explaining to her that Obama simply <em>mustn’t</e> win, because if he did, black people everywhere would get it in their heads that they’re better than white people, and start pushing us off the sidewalks (seriously, that was her fear, that she was going to be shoved into traffic by a black person).

I guess now that the streets aren’t running red with white folk’s blood, they have to transfer that fear someplace else.

Comment #2: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/20  at  11:13 AM

A black man cannot call white people in America racist without a huge, horrible backlash. He just can’t. But that doesn’t mean the white people in his administration and in the media can’t call them out at each and every available opportunity.

I’m with you because I’ve been saying for years that the only way to get anything done (anything progressive anyway) is to simply mow around folks. Treat them like a telephone pole or stop sign or some other thing on your property that you really can’t do anything about. But the grass must be cut so just mow around them.

Comment #3: DC Fem  on  08/20  at  11:15 AM

MP: I think there’s video of this.  Don’t remember what show the interview was on, so I can’t find it on google.  Anyone recall?

Comment #4: BABH  on  08/20  at  11:18 AM

This is a crazy situation…

Great analysis Amanda.

Comment #5: Uhura, The Black Gurl  on  08/20  at  11:19 AM

They see a black President and assume that he’s going to do what they elect conservative white politicians to do, which is to reinforce their racial dominance.

Thank you, Amanda.  I had never thought of it in quite that way and it’s very illuminating.

I spent part of my childhood in a right-supremist group… well, cult…. and I’ve since come to realize that the motivator for most of the men there was fear.  Fear of minorities, women, OTHERS being in charge, because if Mr Racist treated those groups so badly, what would stop those groups from treating HIM badly if they had the chance?  Projection at its finest.

Comment #6: NobleExperiments  on  08/20  at  11:24 AM

Awesome post. When I first saw that clip of Barney Frank calling bullshit, it was such a relief. Finally, somebody publicly stopped humoring the nutbags and just fucking called them on it. That is exactly what we need to do, over and over again.

Comment #7: Bella  on  08/20  at  11:33 AM

Yes, and yes and yes.  I’m old enough to remember the MLK walk through Marquette Park in Chicago.  And also lip trembling protestors that led to school redistricting so white kids wouldn’t be a minority at the new school - then complaining that the “darkies” got carpeting in “their” school but the old school had tile. 

Fortunately, busing happened at about the same time elsewhere, and the result of that is (more) kids who don’t see color when choosing their friends and more mixed race families. 

Ignore racists, treat them as the bigiots they are, and get the right thing done.

Comment #8: phylosopher  on  08/20  at  11:43 AM

Let’s get past the idea that the most important Americans are the paranoid right wingers.  The sooner we get to marginalizing them, the better off we’ll be.

Tell that to the MSM news outlets. As long as someone like Chris Matthews paints a Larouchie nutbar as a legitimate critic of health care reform, we won’t get anywhere in our media-saturated culture.

Comment #9: Gracchus.  on  08/20  at  11:52 AM

Latts, I agree that Obama can’t get away with calling them racist. But the article wasn’t scolding him. It was scolding people like us. Obama has to play good cop. We have to play bad cop.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/20  at  12:17 PM

Absolutely - because I believe that Gene Lyons does not understand that the very core, the very essence, of racism, sexism, what-have-you-ism IS fear and paranoia.  You cannot have racism without the fear of the “other” doing something really, really awful - and the jump isn’t “the new guy (who isn’t LIKE ME) will do slightly better at my job and I won’t get as big a bonus this year” it is instead “the new guy (who isn’t LIKE ME) will rape me and my wife, kill and eat my children, and destroy everything I hold precious.”

Racism (and so forth) is maniacal focus on what horrible things the “other” is going to do - a projection of all possible sins and evils onto another person/set of persons.  One can’t reason with racism.  One can’t “educate” the racism out of someone - efforts to do so will end up reinforcing said racisms.  I may here draw a fine line between prejudice and racism - the difference being that prejudice can be changed, because it’s usually founded on upbringing or ignorance, but to-the-core solid racists are almost always NOT going to have an American History X conversion moment and suddenly become cuddly and tolerant.

We may understand that these people are scared, but fear drives aggression.

Comment #11: tannenburg  on  08/20  at  12:17 PM

So she *was* a Laroucher. Come to think of it, the teabaggers must love having her sort around—convinces them that they aren’t all old fogies.

Amanda:

Right-wingers have projection developed beyond an art form into a reflex, and this has been the case through a large swath of recorded history. Look at the medieval conception of Islam—medieval Europeans thought Islam had a trinity to mirror Christianity’s (Apollyon, Mahound (Mohammed) and Tervagant (apparently Allah/YHWH)). Even now, many creationists think of Origin of Species as some sort of Bible for evolution, even though there are thoroughly qualified evolutionary biologists who have gone their entire careers and done top-notch work without ever actually reading it.

Comment #12: BrianX  on  08/20  at  12:35 PM

Thank you for this. You’ve perfectly articulated what I’ve been trying to say. Now I can just carry it around and read from it when I become incoherent from frustration.

Amanda, I’m curious, do you think that living in the south is a requirement for understanding it’s about racism? My friends who don’t have that exposure tend to be much more idealistic about color-blindness than I am, and therefore less able to understand this argument.

Comment #13: cardinal  on  08/20  at  12:44 PM

So, I took a course Gene Lyons taught in college, a George Orwell survey course.  I knew about his opinion writing, but my primary impression of him is still from having him as a professor.

So I was not at all surprised when I went to read the article Amanda linked and the very first sentence mentioned horses.  Seriously, Gene Lyons will talk about horses in absolutely any context.

Comment #14: Ferox  on  08/20  at  12:53 PM

“[S]imply mow around folks”.

*LOVE* to DC Fem.

And I must say, mowing around people is vastly to be preferred over the 20th Century favorite of mowing over them.

Comment #15: Dr. Psycho  on  08/20  at  12:54 PM

Amanda has hit this one on the head, and this underlines what irritated me about another comment thread about a week or two back, where we ended up discussing the “difference” between Southern and Northern racism.  A number of people insisted it was “important” to delve into and understand the history of and causational factors of different “types” of (mostly geographically divided) racism to effectively engage with the different flavors of racist.

Hogwash.  Racism ultimately evolves out of the same basic causational factors everywhere: fear of the “other,” fear of loss of class privilege, ego-stroking based on the supposed “superiority” of the dominant group, and fear of loss of economic primacy.  Do one or more factors occasionally predominate in any given individual, and perhaps even to a lesser degree on a broadly geographical basis?  Of course.  And while this is an interesting academic discussion, it is absolutely useless in assisting with “engaging” racists in any way shape or form.  You can’t “engage” them.  Racism is a fundamentally fear-based and ultimately irrational construct, and attempting to engage with it in anything other than absolute opposition is a bleeding waste of time.

Comment #16: Felix Culpa  on  08/20  at  01:13 PM

This is a really smart post Amanda

Seperating fear and paranoia is a pretty interesting way to introduce clarity about what’s going on.


An aside:
White people do reasonably have fears around desegregation.  However, the issue is that if the place they live in, or a service they use gets too popular with the darkies, the place or service will become neglected by the power structure, prompting large loss of wealth and services as they move or use private sector services.  Of course, it’s easy to fix that.  Stop being racist and expect your public servants to stop being racist.  Naturally, you’d become a mere peasant with very little actual control of the world or even understanding.  Insignificant.  Well, some people think that way…

As tannenburg sez:  This fear is in no way going to be ameliorated by engagement, because it’s an accepted consequence of their haterade, much as a prospect of a hangover isn’t going to stop a binge drinker.

Comment #17: shah8  on  08/20  at  01:21 PM

Racism is a fundamentally fear-based and ultimately irrational construct, and attempting to engage with it in anything other than absolute opposition is a bleeding waste of time.

Doubly so now that many straight white males now perceive themselves to be victims of racism because their privilege is being threatened.

Comment #18: BadKitty  on  08/20  at  01:30 PM

I would just like to point out that the first guy you see holding the flag from the Nixon picture looks like he is pretending the flag pole is his pee pee. He is like “look at my giant pole and fear me, commies!”

It sucks that there aren’t any jokes about racist people or bigots. If anyone knows of any or would care to make any up, that would be great! Then WE can set the tone in the room.

Comment #19: Nikkole318  on  08/20  at  01:44 PM

That’s because they aren’t funny, Nikkole. They are revolting.

And we people with empathy don’t think it’s funny to put people down.

Comment #20: lostmypassword  on  08/20  at  01:54 PM

Even now, many creationists think of Origin of Species as some sort of Bible for evolution, even though there are thoroughly qualified evolutionary biologists who have gone their entire careers and done top-notch work without ever actually reading it.

While I agree that Origin of the Species is not really equivalent to the “evolutionist’s bible,” this isn’t the reason. Most Christians don’t read the bible either, they just listen to the passages quoted in churches.

Comment #21: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  08/20  at  02:00 PM

I wonder to what extent the same act/entity distinction that sometimes works with kids can be used with racists. By specifically calling out the remarks rather than the speaker you put them in a position of either denying or embracing their own racism. It should at least play to the peanut galley.

Comment #22: paul  on  08/20  at  02:26 PM

Sort of tangential to the main post, but watching that video again, I was struck by the particular content of the LaRouche PAC woman’s words:
“We have 30 percent real unemployment, 48 states cannot balance their budgets and they are cutting programs to the bone.  This is the context under which the Obama administration has said we need helthcare reform.”

I just don’t get how it follows from those dismal economic predictions that healthcare reform is a bad thing.  If unemployment is way up, then without some sort of social safety net, there will be a large group of sick people who will be sick, impoverished, and angry in short order, and a lot of people who could find treatment in better economic times who will simply die.

But no, the assumption isn’t “the economy is collapsing, so the government will try to mitigate disaster”, it’s “the economy is collapsing, so the government will try to mitigate financial disaster by dispatching the SS to shoot sick people in the face”.  No wonder they’re afraid.

There’s the same stuff in LaRouchePAC’s press materials.  After spending several minutes on all the money HMO’s waste on administrative overhead (marketing, deny-you-care administrative costs, executive salaries) and noting that Obama plans to cut costs, they then launch into a diatribe that assumes that Obama plans to cut costs by killing the sick.  (They muddy the waters by confusing the liberal position in favor of physician-assisted suicide for those who desire to die with a position in favor of government-mandated, involuntary euthanasia.)

Given that, perhaps Barney Frank’s strategy was off on this one.  Given context, perhaps it would be better to clearly say, “No, absolutely not, we will never be in favor of anyone being denied healthcare because they are too sick and that is too expensive.  This reform is all about ensuring that no one is denied healthcare because they are too sick and that is too expensive.  If we need to cut costs, we will find some other way to do it.”

But then again, these people wouldn’t necessarily believe it because LaRouche says otherwise.

Comment #23: L33tminion  on  08/20  at  02:28 PM

You have to call them out, as you say, and move on. This is for two reasons: one, they are filled with real, tangible, bloody hate.  They hate you, Amanda, and people like you. They would kill you physically and philosophically in a nano-second.I am always amazed how little people say about the hate these people espouse. Two, for the most part, they are truly stupid; stupid not in the sense of IQ, but in the sense of refusing to learn, to investigate. They are quite comfortable in their ignorance and see/feel no reason to change.

And, for the record, we should hit them where it hurts: throw back in their faces every single time how little their beliefs converge with religious beliefs- followers of Christ. They are immoral people.

Comment #24: caliban  on  08/20  at  02:44 PM

Meh, caliban, not so much.  Many of them think Jesus Christ was a pussy and they believe in the Old Testament where God was psycho killer / torturer.  That’s a religion they can get behind.

Comment #25: BadKitty  on  08/20  at  02:57 PM

Great photo.  Where and when was that rally.  It looks like a 48 star flag so it’s pre 1960…

and yeah, update the clothes a teeny bit and it could be any tea-bagger rally…

Comment #26: Woodrowfan  on  08/20  at  02:58 PM

To reduce it down to it’s elements: there are smart racists and stupid racists.

The stupid racists believe the crap conspiracies because they line up with their their basic racism and they’re truly paranoid and fearful.

The smart racists don’t believe the crap conspiracies for one moment, but they like ‘em because it gives cover for them to promote their racism without being called out for racism per se.

Comment #27: judybrowni  on  08/20  at  03:09 PM

If someone said to me, “it gets a little dark out there at night,” I would seriously think he was talking about a lack of light pollution.

Comment #28: Liz212  on  08/20  at  03:45 PM

Comment #19: Nikkole318 on 08/20 at 12:44 PM:

It sucks that there aren’t any jokes about racist people or bigots. If anyone knows of any or would care to make any up, that would be great! Then WE can set the tone in the room.

Oh, there are such jokes.  Not a lot of them, but yeah, they exist.  The one that comes to mind first is an Israeli one.

The IDF picks up a Palestinian family of three: father, mother and a boy.  They take them to a pool full of sharks, and tell them: “We’re going to give you a very great chance.  If you can swim across this pool full of sharks, and get to the other side, you can become Israeli.”

The family agree to try it.  First the father jumps into the pool, swims very fast, and gets to the other side of the pool.  The sharks never manage to get close to him.

The soldiers appove: “Congratulations, sir!  You are now Israeli.”

Then for the second turn, the mother jumps into the pool.  She can’t swim nearly as fast, and the sharks are at her tail, but in a desperate last push, manages to make it to the other side, with the soldiers cheering her on.

“Congratulations, ma’am!  You are now Israeli.”

Then, finally, it’s the boy’s turn.  He jumps into the pool, and at the very instant he touches the water, the sharks get him and tear him up.

A tearful silence comes across the soldiers.  They gingerly approach the man and the woman, and tell them: “We are very sorry for this.  Our condolences for your loss.”

The father responds: “Oh, no, don’t worry, it’s OK.  It was just an Arab!”

Comment #29: sacundim  on  08/20  at  04:01 PM

To reduce it down to it’s elements: there are smart racists and stupid racists.

Reducing it to “smart” and “dumb” racists is not really helpful to my way of thinking: there are smart and dumb non-racists after all, and anyway, you are wrong as to your reasoning on the division.

It breaks down to witting or “intentional” racism and unwitting or “unintentional” racism.  The vast majority of racists are of the unwitting type.  By this, I mean they do not think of themselves as racists, and indeed, would take immediate and genuine umbrage were you to accuse them of being racist.  To their way of thinking, some black peeople are alright (as long as they act “white” and don’t want to date their daughters), and all problems with the “bad” blacks could be solved if they would just get a job and act white.  That any of this has “racial” implications (and particularly ones that reflect poorly on them and their knowledge of the world) escapes them completely.  These people come in both smart and dumb varieties.

Witting racists are a comparatively smaller group, and have been decreasing for some time.  They also come in smart and stupid varities, though in this case, the differences between smart and stupid are profound.  In general, witting stupid racists are your out-and-out, in-your-face white supremacists.  Witting smart racists actually have very little use for the witting dumb ones…in fact, witting smart racists are almost exactly like the unwitting racists, they just understand that they don’t actually like black people (or whatever minority), don’t want to have anything to do with them, and generally capitalize on the malleability of unwitting racists to advance their own agendas.  They also generally take umbrage at being called racist, but it’s just an act.

Comment #30: Felix Culpa  on  08/20  at  04:05 PM

@Amanda: What do you think would have been the central focus of the healthcare protests if HRC had been elected?  Would it have been a simple rehash of the Clinton-era talking points?  Or rather, do you feel they would have related it to her gender, i.e. focusing on minutiae which they felt discriminated against their lack of reproductive plumbing?

Also, while I sometimes feel that you shoehorn feminism into issues upon which it has no bearing, this is one post where relating the struggle to feminism would have been greatly appreciated.  Do you feel that misogyny is transmitted mainly through jokes and fear, or through some separate mechanism?

Thanks.

Comment #31: Tommy Deelite  on  08/20  at  04:15 PM

I’m all for empathy, but sometimes some people deserve to feel embarrassed.

David Cross has some funny jokes about racism.

Comment #32: asdf  on  08/20  at  04:21 PM

Liz212: I would totally do my best Seymore Skinner impersonation at that point. “Yes! I expect that my melatonin levels will finally begin to level out.”

Just be as blunt and facile as possible, pretend you don’t “get” what they’re saying. They’ll either out the ugly and you can call them for their obvious racism, or they’ll give up and you can stop listening to them.

Comment #33: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/20  at  04:38 PM

The SPLC has some tips on how to respond to bigoted comments.
http://www.tolerance.org/speakup/index.html

Comment #34: asdf  on  08/20  at  04:47 PM

Amanda, I’m curious, do you think that living in the south is a requirement for understanding it’s about racism?

Beats me.  I only know what I know.  I hear from some Yankees that they have grown up with the same bullshit, so….  I think that for a lot of white people that abhor racism, we spend a lot of time struggling with our loyalties to family and friends and our annoyance and anger at racism.  But times like these are clarifying.

Comment #35: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/20  at  06:00 PM

Seriously, Gene Lyons will talk about horses in absolutely any context.

Well, they are lovely animals.  I can’t hold that against him.

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/20  at  06:03 PM

Where and when was that rally.  It looks like a 48 star flag so it’s pre 1960…

It was a protest against segregating Little Rock High School.  You know, in the same place that the “fearful” people that we shouldn’t call racists live.

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/20  at  06:08 PM

What do you think would have been the central focus of the healthcare protests if HRC had been elected?  Would it have been a simple rehash of the Clinton-era talking points?  Or rather, do you feel they would have related it to her gender, i.e. focusing on minutiae which they felt discriminated against their lack of reproductive plumbing?

Who knows?  There would still be race-baiting, for sure.  Because social spending is always, always, always perceived by wingnuts as taking “our” money and giving it to “them”.  I’m not sure how much the narrative would change, because HRC and her ilk are basically considered race traitors.  There may have been a lot more focus on contraception and abortion, though.

Comment #38: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/20  at  06:10 PM

Amanda:

To suggest that the opinions of screaming racists must be changed before we can take action is to concede the McCain/Palin argument that crazy racist white people are the only Real Americans®.  No other group gets the privilege of being flattered that our opinion matters no matter what.

Uh, men?

Comment #39: oldfeminist  on  08/20  at  08:13 PM

My head hurts from trying to figure out how “Race Mixing Is Communism,” as the protestors’ signs say in the photo.

As far as I know, there weren’t any black people in the Soviet Union…

Either the bad syllogism “Race mixing is evil” (as the racist bigots believed), “Communism is evil,” therefore “Race mixing is communism,” or the ill-informed idea “Whatever the government imposes on us against our preferences is communism.”

Comment #40: sara  on  08/20  at  08:34 PM

Wikipedia says “As African states became independent in the 1960s, the Soviet Union offered them the chance to study in Russia; over 40 years, 400,000 African students came, and many settled there.”

But that’s not what they’re talking about.

Communists have worked for racial integration around the world for a long time, and some of the Freedom Riders were communists. Racism is a tool of bosses, to divide and conquer working people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Xe1kX7Wsc

Comment #41: asdf  on  08/20  at  09:10 PM

where can I get a t-shirt that says “Race Mixing is Communism” ?  those are great!  of course, I’m not quite sure that’s how they intended it…

Comment #42: jamesf  on  08/20  at  09:17 PM

Lyndon La Rouche, of course, it all makes sense. From what I remember of picking up a couple of those free papers a few years ago, aren’t they in favour of new deal-type economics and big state-run programs to get the economy running? Am I hallucinating any of that?

Comment #43: Stubborn Kind of Fellow  on  08/20  at  11:32 PM

You are correct: La Rouche is about as socialist as they come. He favors big state programs to make America great again. I do not uderstand why La Rouchies would be against the public option,  and I do not wish to visit LaRouchie websites to find out. It’s all probably because La Rouche is only three steps saner than Alex Jones.

Comment #44: Bacopa  on  08/21  at  12:36 AM

Even now, many creationists think of Origin of Species as some sort of Bible for evolution, even though there are thoroughly qualified evolutionary biologists who have gone their entire careers and done top-notch work without ever actually reading it.

This. They sincerely seem to believe evolution is a religion, Origin is our Bible and Darwin is our God. Never mind the fact that the ToE has itself evolved massively over the years as a result of 150 years of scientific discoveries (which render Origin terribly outdated and some of it incorrect)...

My head hurts from trying to figure out how “Race Mixing Is Communism,” as the protestors’ signs say in the photo.

As far as I know, there weren’t any black people in the Soviet Union…

Either the bad syllogism “Race mixing is evil” (as the racist bigots believed), “Communism is evil,” therefore “Race mixing is communism,” or the ill-informed idea “Whatever the government imposes on us against our preferences is communism.”

I vaguely remember seeing “race mixing is being forced on Americans (read: them uppity N’s is takin all our wimmin) by ____ (usually Jews) as a plot to destroy America/the white race”-type racist rhetoric before, I’m assuming it’s a Cold War version of that…

Comment #45: Devonian  on  08/21  at  02:34 AM

From Slacktivist:

Before the “black helicopters” of the 1990s, there were right-wingers claiming access to secret documents from the 1920s proving that the entire concept of a “civil rights movement” had been hatched in the Soviet Union; when the landmark 1964 Civil Rights Act was introduced, one frequently read in the South that it would “enslave” whites.

Looks like I was right after all…

Comment #46: Devonian  on  08/21  at  03:57 AM

What is up with these people and their communist accusations?  Have sex with a black man?  You’re a commie.  Gay?  You’re a commie.  Want health care?  You’re a commie.

Communists sound like a bunch of fun people.  Let’s all go be one!

Comment #47: speedbudget  on  08/21  at  07:43 AM

Jews were very influential in communist movements in the early 1900s. Marx had been a Jew; Trotsky was a Jew; Lenin had some Jewish ancestry and spoke out against antisemitism. Countless more communists were not Jews, but anybody who wants to point the finger at Jews will find some.

None of them ever wanted to destroy the white race. But they wanted to make racial discrimination a thing of the past, which can be scary to people benefiting from white privilege.

None of them ever wanted to destroy America. But to a person who can only imagine an imperial capitalist white supremacist America, change sounds like death.

“Race mixing” is essential to free white workers, so that they can understand they have more in common with working class black and brown people than with white bosses.

If the goal is to destroy communism and even more mild forms of socialism, then it’s necessary to encourage racism.

Comment #48: asdf  on  08/21  at  08:48 AM

Marx had been a Jew;

asdf,

While that may be true by ancestry as both of his parents were Jews, this can be quite misleading as by the time he was born, both of his parents repudiated Judaism in favor of a Protestant denomination and he was baptized into that church when he was around six. 

If we’re trying to base his having been a Jew based on religious grounds, there’s no foundation as his parents already repudiated Judaism before his birth and raised him as a Protestant Christian. 

If on the basis of ethnicity through his mother, however, then one could argue that he cannot be classified as “having been a Jew” because this means he had always been Jewish from birth until his death because he genetically inherited it from his mother. 

Of course, if we asked him straight out, he would probably have a similar reaction as some of my non-practicing Jewish classmates…..which range from acknowledging that they had Jewish ancestral roots to practically disowning their Jewish ancestry due to vicious persecution in their past and a desire to fit into the “mainstream society”.

Comment #49: exholt  on  08/21  at  01:41 PM

It was a protest against segregating Little Rock High School.  You know, in the same place that the “fearful” people that we shouldn’t call racists live.

thanks.  I am adding it to my lesson on the Civil Rights movement in the 50s-60s.

Comment #50: Woodrowfan  on  08/22  at  11:20 AM

Taking a gun to a town hall is an act. It’s a symbolic gesture. You can’t tell me William Kostric was seriously concerned that Obama was going to have him hauled before a death panel right there and then. Even the danger he claimed to believe he was in was abstract, and you can’t shoot at an idea. So he didn’t bring it to defend himself against “healthcare reform” or “socialism” or whatever, he brought it to announce that he intended to defend himself, whatever he thinks that means.

So maybe he did bring it to use it, after all.

Comment #51: Hershele Ostropoler  on  08/22  at  04:39 PM
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