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Stupidest article quite possibly ever

Why don’t modern Presidents have sons?  Because boys—-unlike those personality-less, boring, horrid female children—-are too irrepressible to go on campaigns.  Yep, that’s the theory, even though it’s worth pointing out that Reagan had sons, they were just grown.  Boys are just so embarrassing!

And then there’s Roosevelt. Teddy and Ethel moved in with two daughters, Alice and Ethel, and four sons: Ted Jr., Kermit, Archie and Quentin. The White House has been recovering ever since.

“Roosevelt’s sons were fantastic scoundrels,” says Bonnie Angelo, author of First Families: The Impact of the White House on Their Lives. They would sneak around behind the lamplighter on Lafayette Square extinguishing the lamps he lit. They’d slide down the grand staircase on kitchen trays. “When Archie was sick, his brother Quentin - with the aid of a White House staffer - brought their pony Algonquin up to his room in the elevator to make him feel better,” says Angelo. These pranks were tolerated, she notes, because the President enjoyed them more than anyone. “The only thing he stopped the boys doing was shooting spitballs at one of the early presidential portraits.”

As we know, girls are genetically unable to give their parents any real grief like this.  Just ask the Bushes.

Hey, wait, didn’t the first Bush also have sons?  I seem to think they presented problems themselves, albeit as adults.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 02:12 PM • (51) Comments

The premise of the article is that it’s impossible to be elected President with a son, because a son’s boyish mischief will ruin your campaign.  Naturally, the article is loaded with examples of Presidential candidates whose campaigns were derailed by their sons’ testosterone-fueled hijinx.

Wait, it isn’t?  There are no such examples?  You mean it’s never actually happened?

The stooopid, it buuuuurns!

Comment #1: elmo  on  12/24  at  02:28 PM

Well, obviously, if you want to form a new Imperial dynasty you must have nubile virgin daughters who you can marry off to foriegn rulers to aquire more territory for your Empire, not some doltish son who will plot to usurp your hard-won throne.

Or some crap like that.

The above article just goes to prove that people like finding consipiratorial patterns in everything, even the most asinine factoids, because they’re very uncomfortable with coincidence.

Just as an aside, my five-year-old daughter is possibly the most destructive force yet created; I hardly think that she’d be any more demure in such a setting as the White House, where there’s a lot more interesting stuff to destroy or scribble upon with crayons.

Comment #2: tannenburg  on  12/24  at  02:35 PM

The author of the article clearly knows very little about history, or (as is typical of anti-feminists) cherry-picks her facts.

Alice Roosevelt Longworth enjoyed an enormous, Paris-Hilton-like celebrity at the time of her father’s campaigns and administrations. The woman had a shade of blue named after her, for goodness sake.

And she was far from demure or quiet—not only did she like to party like the boys, but she was also an outspoken and very political woman at a time when it was frowned upon. She was, in many ways, more of a hell-raiser than all of her brothers combined. Truly her father’s daughter, and one of the all-time greatest Presidential offspring.

Comment #3: Gracchus  on  12/24  at  02:36 PM

I’m sorry, I seem to entirely miss the point here. WTF does this have to do with anything?

Comment #4: Grandjester  on  12/24  at  02:42 PM

Teddy Roosevelt famously said something to the effect of he could control Alice or run the country.

Comment #5: Helen H  on  12/24  at  02:52 PM

This article is truly stupid.

Right now there are around 70-80 million households with children in the U.S. Since 1901 we have had 18 presidents. If fewer presidents have had young boys than young girls, it is just a historical accident. It is made even less significant by the fact that few presidents are young enough themselves to have young or dependent children in the house.

Comment #6: John  on  12/24  at  03:11 PM

Yeah, those feminazis have destroyed the nation’s desire for sons.  Pretty soon, there won’t BE anymore native male Americans.

I suppose that will be helpful for our totally male Chinese Overlords, but, damn, what a shame that the Marlboro Man Stereotype now includes boobies.

elmo said it first, but the stupid here really burns.

Comment #7: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/24  at  03:17 PM

Wait, it isn’t?  There are no such examples?

The only example that is even remotely related was when Giuliani’s son embarassed him at his Mayorial inaugural.

I’m really glad Malia and Sasha didn’t catch any of the shit Chelsea Clinton did, btw. Maybe the media has grown up just a little.

Comment #8: Ben D.  on  12/24  at  03:45 PM

Of course Al Gore has a son.  And he won the election in 2000.  So obviously then the whole Bush Presidency was really just a front in The War on Boys!  The Supreme Court just couldn’t stand to see a Whitehouse with boys!

Comment #9: Rob  on  12/24  at  03:47 PM

Evil, man-hating, lesbian, feminazi, castrating harpies…

...wait a minute.  What were we talking about?  Oh, that’s right.  Some presidents have sons, some have daughters, some have both, some have neither.  So we haven’t had a POTUS with a son(s) since Kennedy…

...wow…isn’t there, like, real important shit happening while we ride in America’s Handbasket To Hell? 

What a waste of electrons, brain cells, bandwidth, etc…

Comment #10: MikeEss  on  12/24  at  03:57 PM

Teddy Roosevelt Jr was played by Henry Fonda in The Longest Day.

Top that, Jenna.

Comment #11: Thlayli  on  12/24  at  04:12 PM

Mr Ess: we have had presidents with sons since President Kennedy: Gerald Ford (who was never elected on his own) had three sons (Michael Gerald, John Gardner and Steven Meigs), Ronald Reagan had a natural son (Ron) as well as an adopted son (Micheal), and the elder George Bush had four sons (George W, John Edward (‘Jeb”), Neil and Marvin).  Of eight presidents since President Kennedy died, three have had sons.

It’s luck of the draw as to whether someone’s children will be male or female.

Comment #12: Dana  on  12/24  at  04:15 PM

Umm, I think there is a better correlation between electing old men and lack of children in the White House than going by gender.

Absolutely right this is cherry picking. By only including the children who actually move into the White House, they can cut out Bush I and Reagan, Carter and Ford, all of whom had sons.

Similarly cherry picking, the farther back in history you go, the more they were swimming in kids.

So “history” becomes the last 3 Presidents?

EVEN IF sons affect one’s candidacy differently than daughters, wouldn’t the sons have as much or more effect on lower-level campaigns? People don’t just start out at the presidency, for God’s sake. Shouldn’t all of these uncontrollable sons who didn’t affect the presidential runs because they were adult have shot down previous governorships, senate runs, dogcatcher elections, etc?

Somebody needs to whack this moron about the head and shoulders with a Statistics 101 textbook while shouting “Sample size! Sample size!”

There would have to be a sizeable population of son-heavy losing candidates as well.

Besides, the extended Kennedy family skews every possible statistic relating to children, unto the seventh generation, apparently. Yeesh.

Comment #13: Lymis  on  12/24  at  04:16 PM

Off-topic: the Raving Atheist has become the Raving Theist. Amanda, I think you called it years ago.

Comment #14: Cyan  on  12/24  at  04:18 PM

Tannenberg wrote:

Just as an aside, my five-year-old daughter is possibly the most destructive force yet created; I hardly think that she’d be any more demure in such a setting as the White House, where there’s a lot more interesting stuff to destroy or scribble upon with crayons.

Well, there are my daughters, the older of whom has twice wrecked her mother’s car.  As for the younger Miss Pico, the fact that she’s seventeen hasn’t stopped either her or her friends from writing on her walls.  There are scribbles and drawings on all four walls and even a few on the ceiling.

Comment #15: Dana  on  12/24  at  04:21 PM

“Off-topic: the Raving Atheist has become the Raving Theist.”

That Jesus <strike>Koolaid</strike> Juice must be some really powerful stuff…

That’s getting close to being as bad as when CAN (Cult Awareness Network) was bought out by the Scientologists, who were tired of CAN calling them a cult.  Now everybody but Scientologists are in a cult…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  12/24  at  04:24 PM

I’m really glad Malia and Sasha didn’t catch any of the shit Chelsea Clinton did, btw.

That doesn’t prove anything except that they’re not old enough for it to be socially acceptable to sexually harass them.

Comment #17: junk science  on  12/24  at  04:25 PM

“As for the younger Miss Pico, the fact that she’s seventeen hasn’t stopped either her or her friends from writing on her walls.  There are scribbles and drawings on all four walls and even a few on the ceiling.”

Spare the rod…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  12/24  at  04:26 PM

“That doesn’t prove anything except that they’re not old enough for it to be socially acceptable to sexually harass them.”

...yet…

Comment #19: MikeEss  on  12/24  at  04:27 PM

“The only example that is even remotely related was when Giuliani’s son embarassed him at his Mayorial inaugural. “

Yeah, that’s the embarrassing fact we remember about Giuliania. . . his son. . .

Comment #20: Notorious P.A.T.  on  12/24  at  04:45 PM

As a post-post-feminist, I feel comfortable saying that women are basically evil and that all First Ladies have girl babies because of a genetic inferiority.

We’re cool, right?

Comment #21: RUGGED IN MONTANA  on  12/24  at  04:48 PM

Yup, when the girls hit puberty, I expect some very nasty things to start being written.

And behavior? I think I was a hell of a lot more of a handful than my quiet, dignified older brother. (Having met some other women with undiagnosed ADD as an adult, I think I know WHY I was difficult.)

Comment #22: Samantha Vimes  on  12/24  at  04:54 PM

Gah. My sibs and I grew up in the public eye, on a much smaller scale, as missionary kids and preacher’s kids. Lots of pressure to behave there, and my brother gave my parents much, much less grief than I did (no grief at all, in fact). It’s almost as if willfulness, defiance and risk-taking aren’t actually gender-based traits the way this article is trying to assert.

Also—telling the Obamas to get busy and try for a son? Yech.

Comment #23: jenofiniquity  on  12/24  at  05:01 PM

Correlation = Causation!

Also notice that we have never had a President shorter than 5’.  Because short Presidents are unpossible!  And notice that we have never had a woman President.  Because of reasons I will make up shortly!  And notice that many of our Presidents have worn glasses, while we haven’t had a President with mutton chops since Taft.  Why?  Perfectly logical and in no way inane explanations will follow!

Thank god these people don’t get elected on their ability to governor, or the political astrologers and tea leaf readers would be so out of business.

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Comment #25: equgevet  on  12/24  at  05:09 PM

I sure hope that article was written tongue-in-cheek, but it doesn’t look like it. Crap like this is why I gave up on Time decades ago.

Comment #26: Bitter Scribe  on  12/24  at  05:10 PM

Hoo boy.  And this jibes with the findings that agressive/less “girly” women tend to produce sons how?  Like maybe it is the kind of woman who becomes a leader’s wife and not the offspring themselves?

Comment #27: Ms Kate  on  12/24  at  05:35 PM

IIRC, Belinda Luscombe recently wrote some other asinine, anti-feminist piece recently for Time.

She’s quoting someone named Meg Meeker who’s written books with titles like Boys Will Be Boys. I looked her up on Amazon... note that another of her books is a homophobic, puritanical anti-teen-sex screed, published by Regnery. I wonder if Luscombe is also a wingnut, or she’s just your typical meedja airhead who assumes that anyone calling themselves an “expert” is qualified to comment on the subject at hand?

Comment #28: Nobody in Particular  on  12/24  at  05:36 PM

Oops, subtract one “recently” from that first ‘graf.

Comment #29: Nobody in Particular  on  12/24  at  05:39 PM

By only including the children who actually move into the White House, they can cut out Bush I and Reagan, Carter and Ford, all of whom had sons.

Carter had sons? I thought he just had one child, his daughter Amy.  Am I mistaken?

Comment #30: Slackajawea  on  12/24  at  07:07 PM

I’m surprised no one’s mentioned the Bene Gesserit.  It’s pretty clear the Reverend Mother herself, Gaius Helen Mohiam, probably engineered the lack of male POTUS offspring.  No doubt setting us up for the arrival of the Kwisatz Haderach...unless Obama is it…

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  12/24  at  07:07 PM

Slackajawea,

Carter had 3 sons, John, Donnel, and James Jr., but they were all grown by the time he entered the White House.  Jack Carter ran for Senate in Nevada 2 years ago.  There is a 20 year age difference between the eldest (Jack) and youngest (Amy) of the Carter children.

Comment #32: General Woundwort  on  12/24  at  08:05 PM

Yeah, Slackajawea, three.  I recall an interview with JC where he expressed disappointment in them for being smokers (all, or almost all, of his blood relatives both smoked and died of cancer).

Comment #33: Unree  on  12/24  at  08:09 PM

Oh, Amanda, that isn’t even the stupidest article linked to on the front page of Pandagon right now.  We are in a Golden Age of Stupidity; every day produces something stupider than the last.

I’m not sure why, but clicking over to the Raging Atheist site made me laugh.  I guess it’s because it fits my belief that fanaticism is the true personality trait, and the actual details are only loosely relevant.

Comment #34: Walt  on  12/24  at  08:10 PM

Oh, don’t worry about Malia and Sasha escaping the Chelsea Clinton treatment. A commenter on the article (you can get there from the Time site) is already predicting that Malia and Sasha will be pregnant teenagers. Nice implications about young women of color. I don’t remember anyone making such predictions about Jenna, Barbara, or Chelsea.

Comment #35: one jewish dyke  on  12/24  at  08:14 PM

Oh, don’t worry about Malia and Sasha escaping the Chelsea Clinton treatment.

As I recall, Chelsea Clinton was treated fairly decently, except for the occasional swinish utterance by the likes of Rush Limbaugh.

Of course, this probably had a lot to do with her being well-behaved and studious.

Comment #36: Bitter Scribe  on  12/24  at  10:33 PM

はじめまして、パーフェクトワンです。
blogの更新がんばってくださいね。

“Nice implications about young women of color. I don’t remember anyone making such predictions about Jenna, Barbara, or Chelsea.”

I think the general consensus on Chelsea was that she was too geeky to get laid. And the Bush twins were too busy boozing it up to put out.

Comment #38: Elfina  on  12/25  at  12:26 AM

Who would the commenter predicting out-of-wedlock for Obama’s daughters recommend as a role model - maybe Sarah Palin’s daughter?  The pregnant one whose future mother-in-law was busted for illegal drugs? 

I rather expect that (a) the Secret Service guards will make good chaperones; and (b) the Obama family will discuss birth control.

Comment #39: RepubAnon  on  12/25  at  12:56 AM

The “Bush twins were too busy boozing it up to put out”?

I thought that in Young Republican circles, “I’m so druuuuunk!” was considere a mating call.

Comment #40: Dr. Psycho  on  12/25  at  01:05 AM

I agree with パーフェクトワン  smile

Comment #41: Dana  on  12/25  at  10:40 AM

If anyone is curious, here’s my attempt at translation (I’m not very advanced in Japanese, so please forgive me if it’s wrong):

Nice to meet you, I’m “Baafeketowan”.  Please keep up the good work updating your blog.

 
I can’t figure out what “Baafeketowan” means; the katakana spelling suggests that it’s a foreign word written phonetically, but I’m at a loss to identify what it really says.

Happy holidays to all.

Comment #42: One Canadian Girl  on  12/25  at  05:00 PM

One Canadian, I’ll give you dollars to Tim Horton’s that “Baafeketowan” is a word in that degenerate Hawaiian pidgin that Barack Hussein Obama will require us all to speak in a couple of years.  I swear, Dr. Cosby saw this coming when he denounced African-Americans for not giving their kids normal names.

Merry Xmas, Chappy Chanukah, Schmaltzy Solstice (belated), Joyous Kwanzaa, Petulant Festivus, and a great 2009 to all present.

Comment #43: Josh  on  12/25  at  06:49 PM

I don’t remember anyone making such predictions about Jenna, Barbara, or Chelsea.

There was the nasty rumor that Jenna’s emergency appendectomy was actually an abortion (which I never got—what healthy 20-year-old checks into the hospital overnight to have an abortion?)  I sometimes suspect the rumor was started by Republicans who wanted Bush to have an excuse for not going to visit his hospitalized daughter.  Refusing to visit her because of her “immoral” behavior would look better than him just not wanting to be bothered.

Comment #44: Mnemosyne  on  12/26  at  12:53 AM

During Giuliani’s first inauguration speech as mayor, he let his son stand in front of the podium making faces the whole time. While watching the speech on C-SPAN, my spouse could not help but wonder about why such a spolied brat was allowed to act out on national TV.

Comment #46: tpx  on  12/26  at  02:16 PM

That is one of the dumbest articles ever, but not quite as dumb as this one by Chris Goldberg which basically says the publishing industry is imploding because “new male writers don’t get contracts” and “women are all reading Jane Austen knockoffs”. That must be why 7 out of the top 10 fiction bestsellers are written by men, along with 15 of the top 20; because the book industry just isn’t signing on any men. hmmm

Comment #47: Blue Jean  on  12/26  at  04:29 PM

Good time. And , cum swap movies,

Comment #48: Sillana2  on  12/27  at  12:52 AM
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