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Such a mystery!

Jamelle at Post-Bougie reports on a new Rasmussen poll that shows that only 14% of African-Americans polled agreed that America is a fair and decent place, compared to 55% back in February.  That is a precipitous drop, but those of us observing American politics since Obama’s inauguration aren’t really in a place to be surprised by this.  And those of us observing wingnuts being wingnuts shouldn’t be surprised that said wingnuts blame black Americans and white liberals, who they routinely assume are able to push around black people with ease.  Jamelle dug into Assrocket at Powerline arguing that this is basically evidence that black people are gullible.

The only possible answer is that many Americans have opposed President Obama’s policies. But why would that cause African-Americans to think that our society is “discriminatory” rather than “decent”? No mystery there: in a well-coordinated campaign, the Democratic Party has relentlessly portrayed all disagreement with the Obama administration’s policies as “racist.” That contemptible and divisive tactic had seemed to produce no results, but we now see that it had one consequence: alienating African-Americans from their country.

The only theory he’ll accept is that there’s been a campaign to trick black people into assuming that there’s racism where there isn’t.  And that they’d be so easily fooled.  Not that what he’s saying doesn’t fall right in line with the usual conservative mythology that presents black voters as sheep that follow white liberal shepherds, because conservative literally cannot accept that black voters who vote for Democrats might do so because they want to.  This assumption is 2 parts racism and 1 part unwilling to admit that the racism of Republican politics drives off black voters.  But it’s 100% offensive, because the assumption is that black people are feeble, or they’d be able to see through the evil lies spun by the Liberal Mafia of Hollywood Elites.  I submit instead that the perception that this society isn’t fair and decent is an evidence-based belief.  For instance, the very next blog I read after Post-Bougie was Sadly, No, and look at what they found.

Tammy Bruce is not some fringe right wing blogger with no traffic.  She’s a talk radio show host, a frequent contributor on Fox News, and she even fronts like she’s a centrist who is pro-gay and pro-choice.  Well, she may be those things, but she’s also a mega-watt asshole who just used a picture to call the President by a nasty racial slur.  Of course, she’s claiming now that it’s stupid to suggest there’s anything racist about calling the President a “coon”, but as we all know, that claim will be trotted out no matter how ridiculously false it is.

Of course, the 41% of black respondents to the survey who changed their mind between February and now have probably not seen Tammy Bruce’s site specifically.  But the sad thing is, hers is far from an isolated case.  We’ve all been subjected to months of screaming from conservatives who simply cannot stand either that there’s a black President or that there’s a potential for health care reform that would ideally go a long way to rectifying the vast differences in health outcomes experienced by the average black patient and white patient in this country.  Bruce’s little raccoon joke is just part of a larger tapestry of Confederate flags, screaming white people at town halls, and the unmistakable stench of a white conservative freakout at the very idea that this is not just their country, but that it belongs to all of us.  The sheer numbers of people participating in the freakout are depressing, because it really feels like the mask is being ripped off and the racist resentment and anger of huge quantities of white people is pouring out all at once.  It’s, at the very least, unnerving.

What really bugs me is that 55% of white people said that this country is a fair and decent place.  This is demonstrably untrue, since this is a country that tolerates an insurance company denying a 4-month-old baby coverage because he’s “obese”.  Any country where someone could suggest that the 4-month-old hop on the treadmill is a society that has way too high a tolerance for extreme stupidity. 

Giving the 55% the benefit of the doubt, however, asking people if our society is fair and decent is a loaded question.  Your answer is really going to depend on if you’re thinking about the big picture or just people you know.  Like, if the term “society” made me think about people in terms of who you deal with on a day to day basis, I’d be more inclined to say “yes”, because it’s true that most people wait their turn in line, say “excuse me”, believe that Roman Polanski should go to jail for raping a child, etc.  But if I was thinking about “society” in a more political frame of mind, and you flash on those crazy teabaggers and the fact that many of our Senators are more interested in paying tribute to insurance companies than the health of the nation, then I’d be inclined to say “no”. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 07:41 PM • (51) Comments

If it was just supposed to be a joke then why’d she pick a raccoon at all? There are any number of animals that don’t have such obvious racist connections and yet she choose to go with one that did.

Did she figure no one would “get it” but those in the know cause she didn’t go with something obvious like a monkey?

Comment #1: UltraMagnus  on  10/14  at  07:56 PM

Her excuse was that it was chosen because of the Cracker Jack box, as if the Nobel Peace Prize was no better than a Cracker Jack box prize.  I’m not buying that, because there are infinitely more pictures of small children digging into Cracker Jack boxes.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/14  at  08:12 PM

Or she could’ve posted a picture of just a Cracker Jack box.

Comment #3: keshmeshi  on  10/14  at  08:21 PM

Apparently that’s her pet raccoon.  But yeah, they’ve moved from dog whistles to as cose to yelling n**** as they think they can…

Any bets on the first RW talk show host to blurt “N*****” on air?  I’m betting whatshisface Cunningham on WLW in Cincinnati…

Comment #4: Woodrowfan  on  10/14  at  08:27 PM

Anyone remember how effing postracial we all were in January? Some people actually believed that a black man being elected president meant something significant about how the country has changed.

And someday we’ll all look back on this and laugh…

Comment #5: paul  on  10/14  at  08:32 PM

Hell, I’d say the shock of that white racist evil creep beating up a black woman for trying to protect her child is enough to turn some people away from rating America as decent. The kooks bringing guns to Obama’s public appearances aren’t decent. The veiled and not so veiled threats by right wingers at teabagger events aren’t decent. Calling Obama a fascist is inaccurate and the hate behind it is indecent.

It’s so fucking obvious that the reason for the drop in the evaluation of decency is that the right wing is fucking NOT decent human beings.

**fumes**

Comment #6: Samantha Vimes  on  10/14  at  08:38 PM

And if that were an honest mistake (it did take me a moment to make the connection), then she should have apologized for it.  You can always tell a racist by how determined they are not to apologize for saying/doing something racist.

Comment #7: keshmeshi  on  10/14  at  08:53 PM

I’ll admit, I didn’t think of “coon” until the post mentioned a racial slur.  But I should have.  Bruce is definitely an asshole, she’s riding the “Independent Feminist” train for all it’s worth.  Dennis Miller is on a parallel track.

Comment #8: John  on  10/14  at  08:59 PM

I’m God-damned if I can understand how any sane person could think that contemporary America is anywhere even close to being a fair and decent place. It’s a vicious plutocracy that’s well on the way to devolving into a typical third-world hellhole with a super-rich elite; poor, ignorant masses; and not much of anything in between.

Comment #9: Steve LaBonne  on  10/14  at  09:01 PM

I’ll admit, I did enjoy the random flu shot hysteria and crankery randomly dropped into the comment thread.

Comment #10: John  on  10/14  at  09:03 PM

One quibble - America doesn’t tolerate denying medical coverage to infants, it actively encourages it.  Corporations are bound by law to do nothing but profit - and if an infant has to die in some way that hasn’t been made illegal yet (and won’t be, as long as the politicians stay bought) then they will profit right over that kid’s grave, and not bat an eye about it.

Comment #11: libdevil  on  10/14  at  09:20 PM

Who has a pet raccoon? That’s like asking your house to be destroyed.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/14  at  09:23 PM

I would think that Tammy Bruce, as a lesbian and therefore a member of a minority group that is often arbitrarily discriminated-against, would understand the evil power of hate as a victim.

If I posted a picture on my (mythical) blog of a steer standing an earthen water containment wall and made some remark about Tammy Bruce, would she think it was cool that implied she was a Bull Dyke?  Or would she be incensed at the implied slur?

Why is it some kinds of hate are easy for some people to see, but other kinds of hate are virtually invisible or strongly discounted and dismissed?...

Comment #13: MikeEss  on  10/14  at  09:31 PM

Who has a pet raccoon? That’s like asking your house to be destroyed.

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?

Comment #14: Ferox  on  10/14  at  09:36 PM

I will admit that I didn’t think of that animal as a “coon” until I saw someone comment on it. Of course, I also didn’t see any reason that picture would be considered “funny”.

It’s the same issue as the pictures of the watermelon patch on the whitehouse lawn. Without the racial angle, what’s the joke? Where’s the play on words or the tweaking of expectations? If you remove the racist aspects of the thing, it’s just not funny.

Comment #15: Dorothy  on  10/14  at  09:45 PM

MikeEss:

Why is it some kinds of hate are easy for some people to see, but other kinds of hate are virtually invisible or strongly discounted and dismissed?…

Privilege and projection. I’m sure there’s another p-word that would complete a nice, round alliterative trifecta of wingnuttery, but I’m not feeling motivated enough to come up with it.

Comment #16: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  10/14  at  10:36 PM

Giving the 55% the benefit of the doubt, however, asking people if our society is fair and decent is a loaded question.  Your answer is really going to depend on if you’re thinking about the big picture or just people you know.

This is a good point.  I’m a Gallup subject, and I just got done giving a bunch of simple answers to complicated questions, including the classic, “Do you think the President is doing a good job?”  If I were asked if our society is basically fair and decent, I’d probably answer yes.  But that doesn’t mean I think America is perfect or bigotry doesn’t exist.

Comment #17: Shaenon  on  10/14  at  11:22 PM

Privilege, Projection, and Predjudice.

Comment #18: KMac  on  10/14  at  11:26 PM

keshmeshi has it 100%—if she made an honest mistake, like I did momentarily, then the second it was pointed out—>racCOON??? o_0—> she would have apologized.  Not defended it.

And a proper apology, like, “Oh shit.  I just put up a picture of my raccoon getting a prize from Cracker Jack without even thinking of the word “coon” or “cracker” for that matter.  I am embarrassed and sorry for such unthinking behavior.”  Not “if you were offended”, but “for offending”.

As is, her defense doesn’t make sense especially since the picture doesn’t really match up.  The raccoon is finding a prize, not being awarded one.

Comment #19: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/14  at  11:36 PM

And a proper apology, like, “Oh shit.  I just put up a picture of my raccoon getting a prize from Cracker Jack without even thinking of the word “coon” or “cracker” for that matter.  I am embarrassed and sorry for such unthinking behavior.” Not “if you were offended”, but “for offending”.

If you respond to an accusation of racism by putting more “a"s in the word “racist,” you are a racist. Period.

And frankly, I’m no longer in a pass-giving mood. I think about the images I use and the words I use before I put them up. I try to check my metaphors to make sure that I’m not writing something that’s going to detract from what I’m trying to say because I sloppily wrote something that would give offense. And if I do step over the line, I apologize. I expect no less from others. If the right doesn’t want me to think they’re a bunch of racists, here’s a thought: STOP BEING A BUNCH OF RACISTS. Start attacking Obama based on what he’s doing, and not what his skin color is. Stop talking about “reparations” as if the word means anything substantive. And yes, stop using monkeys or raccoons as stand-ins for the president. This isn’t hard, people. At least, it isn’t if you don’t want to be racist.

Comment #20: Jeff Fecke  on  10/15  at  12:52 AM

Your answer is really going to depend on if you’re thinking about the big picture or just people you know.

Also, given the intense and continuing segregation—mostly residential, but that spills over into social, even though lots of people have nominally integrated workplaces—of our country, “people you know” for white people is going to disproportionately be… other white people. So if someone asks you a big-picture question and you reflexively think about you and your friends’ daily experiences, it’s not so surprising that your answer could be different depending on your race/ethnicity.

Comment #21: Witt  on  10/15  at  01:01 AM

Also, rank stupidity.  Her ‘defense’ of the whole thing amounts to claiming that the slur ‘coon’ has no relationship to the word ‘raccoon.’  Really, that’s the best you can do?  Well, of course it’s not—the whole point is that she doesn’t actually need to make any kind of valid or believable defense, because her audience already agrees with her and probably thought the picture was hilarious, biting political commentary.

Re: decent and fair society, I would wonder whether even if a survey were done explicitly asking people “based on daily interactions with people around you, is US society fair and decent?” you might still get a pretty strong racial divide, given the terrible everydayness of discrimination.  Sure, I myself share Amanda’s sense that generally speaking, most of the people I interact with every day do act quite nicely.  I’m not very confident that I would necessarily say the same if some of my privileged characteristics (young, white, middle-class, thin, etc) changed.

Comment #22: ladybronwyn  on  10/15  at  01:08 AM

”I will admit that I didn’t think of that animal as a “coon” until I saw someone comment on it.”

To be honest, me too

But then again, the pic is small and its sitting up with its head bent forward
I didn’t realize it was a Raccoon at all until a second look, I thought it was a monkey

See kids, this is what comes of staring at computer screens for 30 yrs, someday your eyes will suck as much as mine do

Comment #23: jefft452  on  10/15  at  01:30 AM

”Giving the 55% the benefit of the doubt, however, asking people if our society is fair and decent is a loaded question.  Your answer is really going to depend on if you’re thinking about the big picture or just people you know.”

Actually I’m surprised its as low as 55%, a lifetime of hearing Rah! Rah! USA! USA! and “Only in America” isnt that easy to overcome for most people

Even if you look at the big picture instead of just the people you know, it isnt that clear cut either way

Sure, the banksters are taking record bonuses while more of us get laid off (me too, halleluiah I’m a bum) but OTOH popular support for the public option is running around 70%

And yes, 20 million racist jackoffs hang on Glen Beck’s every word, but OTOH, that leaves about 330 million Americans who don’t

Comment #24: jefft452  on  10/15  at  01:47 AM

There’s an old saying they’re giving out prizes like cracker jack boxes, but she didn’t use that one, either.

When I saw it, I was totally agog that someone would do that.  Then I found out it’s her pet.  But then… She didn’t apologize for putting up something possibly insulting.

Of course, I learned early.  While you can use ‘Adjective Person’ to refer to anyone, you just can’t use the adjective ‘Black’ with the person who has lost sitting shot-gun in the car.  It just sounds wrong, and that’s more important than any intent.  Intent gets you the out when you apologize, not when you don’t.

Comment #25: Crissa  on  10/15  at  04:36 AM

And yes, 20 million racist jackoffs hang on Glen Beck’s every word, but OTOH, that leaves about 330 million Americans who don’t

You give Lonesome Rhodes Beck WAAAAY too much credit.  And America only has 307 Million people… you overestimated our population by a factor of, uh, Australia.

There’s no disputing the disturbing fact that Fox News blows their competition out of the water in the Nielsen Ratings.

But I think people don’t realize what a relative stat that is in the big picture of society as a whole.

For October 1, 2009, Glenn Beck had a total audience of 2.965,000 viewers.  Sure that’s more than double the audience of CNN (Blitzer) and MSNBC (Matthews) combined in that timeslot (1.2MM total viewers), but Beck’s audience still makes up LESS THAN 1% of all Americans.

Which means that more than 99% of America ISN’T watching Beck at any given time.

TV ratings matter only in the context of how they stand up against each other… but there isn’t a single particular TV program in America that draws even half of all Americans to watch it, not even the highest rated program on television, the Super Bowl, which regularly attracts over 100 Million American viewers - roughly 1/3 of the country.

My perspective on the topic… the vast majority of U.S. citizens try to be decent people - the everyday folks.  Hell, even the Republicans in my family are mostly decent people in their everyday activities outside of voting (I do have a few asshole wingnut cousins, however).  The most serious problem is with the influential power brokers in the country.  Rush Limbaugh is one vile human being, and his incredibly hateful and racist vitriol is so enveloping that it has the literal power to obscure the general decency of thousands of everyday citizens who aren’t wealthy and powerful.

Imagine if we had a TRULY participatory democracy in which every citizen over 18 got a vote, and every citizen were given the ability to cast that vote unobstructed, and we all voted everytime.  Progressivism would steamroll conservatism in elections nationwide.  A 100% turnout in every election would be an unmitigated disaster for the GOP in all but the most diehard conservative redneck towns in America.  No Republican could ever again be elected to statewide office ANYWHERE, not even Oklahoma.

We lose elections because we either don’t vote out of apathy, we have our votes stolen, or we have so many obstructions placed in the way of voting that it becomes too much trouble to bother.  Seriously, even in years with great turnouts, we consider anything over 50% participation a great thing.  And that’s only 50% of registered voters.  How many people never register because they believe it just doesn’t matter?

No, I think most Americans are good and decent people.  That isn’t to say that racism doesn’t exist among the proles or that there aren’t plenty of everyday wingnut assholes out there.  But the folks who have all the money and the power have rigged the whole fucking thing to factionalize the fuck out of us, and that’s why Kansas happens.

Things feel much worse right now largely because we now have one of the greatest levels of wealth disparity in America since the fucking guilded age of robber barons in the 1800s.  The elites have much, much, much more than they did even 25 years ago, and the other 95% of us are fighting each other over crumbs.

I don’t think everyday Americans are innately evil, unkind people.  I think many of those with significant power and influence over our social infrastructure - mainly, the corporate overlords - have worked really fucking hard to ensure that their power isn’t threatened.

And so, yes, it is true that those American institutions being preserved by that small group are not decent and fair things, and those who use their power to maintain our inequitable power structure are not kind or decent people.

Comment #26: DTG in STL  on  10/15  at  06:10 AM

DTG, that’s the “eternally innocent” theory of American exceptionalism which gets right up the noses of outsiders.  The conversation goes something like this:

Foreigner: “Dude, you’re killing people here!”

American: “Our intentions are good!”

Foreigner: “Yeah, but, dude, you’re killing people here!”

American: “America has a great history, dedicated to liberty and justice.”

Foreigner: “Dude, you don’t seem to get it - you’re killing people here!”

American: “Most Americans are really very decent people, good to their kids and small fuzzy animals.”

Foreigner: “Not disagreeing with you - but you’re killing people here!”

American: “Oh, its just our power structure.  Sure we’re a democracy in theory, but, you know, in practice it’s just too difficult to affect the State. Just one of those things - what can we do? [shrug]”

Foreigner: “Dude, your country is killing people!”

American: “If only you really knew us, you’d love us.  I mean, apple pie, baseball - what’s not to love?”

Foreigner: “People are dying, dude - do you not get that?”

And then you get the insanely angry flying planes into buildings to strike back against the US as a country, and Americans can’t understand why people would be upset with them personally.  I dunno, sometimes I just feel this guy.

Comment #27: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/15  at  06:39 AM

PiaToR,

With all due respect, I am not killing anybody anywhere.  And I’m pretty fucking offended that you suggest otherwise.

I was born here, not by choice.  Just as you were born where you were born, not by choice.  It’s just the way things turned out.  I feel like you are saying that I, and for that matter, all Americans, should apologize for merely existing.  How fucking preposterous can you get?

I don’t hold myself personally responsible for atrocities committed by the U.S. government.

Why should I?

American exceptionalism is a real phenomenon, but please tell me where I displayed American exceptionalism?  Does my suggestion that most Americans are generally decent people automatically imply that I believe that most non-Americans are not?

I think most people, American or otherwise, are generally decent people, or at least try to be decent people.  I think we are selfish beings first and foremost, but I don’t think most people go through life wanting to be malignant to others just for the sheer sake of being assholes.

Your criticisms of my country are all completely valid.  You holding me personally responsible for the atrocities of my country is not even remotely valid.  I didn’t vote for Bush, I try to live by progressive principals, and I try to remain keenly aware of my privileged existence as a white, heterosexual, male American, and to treat others who don’t enjoy that privilege with the utmost deference.  I realize that with my privilege comes a responsibility to use that privilege where I can to argue for greater social justice for those who do not share my privilege.  I fuck up and don’t get it right all the time.  I am not always a decent human being.  I can be, and have been an asshole in some situations in my life.  But I try my best.

My country IS killing people.  And that sucks ass, and I am appalled by it.  But I don’t have any money, I’m not related to anyone in Congress or in a corporate boardroom, and aside from my vote and my voice, I have virtually no power to personally change the entire status quo that is America.

Did I say America is a great and decent place, or did I say individual everyday Americans are mostly decent people?

Because there is a pretty big fucking difference between those two statements.  And quite honestly, I’m pretty pissed at the repetitive, “Yeah, but, dude, you’re killing people here!”  The fuck I am.  I am ashamed by the global evils committed by my country’s government and corporations, and I am ashamed of the local evils committed by people who share my demographic background.  But I am not going to sit here and feel guilty for how and where I was born, because I didn’t have a fucking thing to do with it.

Comment #28: DTG in STL  on  10/15  at  08:08 AM

DTG, I agree that most of us here don’t have a part either in the major power structure or the war, but I think PiatoR just means that as a broader dialogue, not an individual-directed accusation towards every American: like, how the common political response to criticism about the war is “oh, but it’s for freedom!” You might ask him to rephrase, but I wouldn’t take it personally.

Comment #29: other_orange  on  10/15  at  09:00 AM

You can make an argument that there are no innocent Americans though.  Or at least, that there are no innocent tax-paying Americans.  The only way to be innocent as an American is to refuse to pay taxes.  You will eventually go to prison and, unless it became a mass movement, which it won’t, you will not save one life.  To put it another way; one monkey don’t stop no show.

However, the same can be said of the citizens of Israel.  When France occupied Algiers, the same could be said of the French. 

Does any of that excuse our inaction?  Probably not.

Comment #30: JennyLI  on  10/15  at  09:31 AM

To the original post - It’s a terrible truth that Obama’s election has shined a light on the racists in our society, and as always, it hasn’t been a pretty sight.  The fact remains that enough Americans weren’t racist, or Obama wouldn’t have been elected.  Far more encouraging - young voters went for Obama by dramatic percentages.  Racism will never be eradicated but our youth will put it out for the count. 

However, in no way can America be considered a fair and just society.  We are owned lock stock and cock by multinational corporations and our lives are worth less than that of an ant.  Everything else is an illusion and until Americans face up to this, and stage a true people’s revolution, this is how it will remain.

And everyday, people will die because of it.

Comment #31: JennyLI  on  10/15  at  09:35 AM

DTG

You have roughly one two hundred millionth of the vote, and as the ultimate boss, that means you’re responsible for one two hundred millionth of what America does.  You can, of course, argue that your actual share is different, but it ain’t zero.  If you’re truly unwilling to support an unjust state, there’s already a model for that.  Abrogating our responsibilities is exactly what enables unjust behaviour that nobody really supports.

Which ties in nicely to the main topic, about small shares in greater pictures.  If the presence of indecent or unjust acts is enough to disqualify a country from being decent or just, then no country will ever be decent or just, and it becomes a rather silly and pointless question.  That people would judge a country to be generally decent and just, even with some indecent or unjust acts in the mix isn’t remarkable.

Comment #32: Brian  on  10/15  at  09:46 AM

She’s a talk radio show host, a frequent contributor on Fox News, and she even fronts like she’s a centrist who is pro-gay and pro-choice.

This is really important: It’s not that a Republican is someone who scores Bigotry Bingo—you really need only one -ism to be allowed in the GOP’s big tent. Hers happens to be racism. She can talk up her “centrism” all she likes, she can talk up her Pro-Choice and Pro-Gay all she likes, but since those progressive ideas are directly at odds with the party platform, it’s obvious that there’s something big and important keeping her identifying as a Repub. And being a racist ass is obviously that important to her.

Comment #33: Mighty Ponygirl  on  10/15  at  09:47 AM

Wow, this Bruce person is a complete and total moron.  Or a complete and total liar.  Either way, she’s a disgusting bigot.  Never heard of her before, and will gladly completely forget about her.  She’s utterly useless.

Comment #34: Gypsy Lee  on  10/15  at  10:05 AM

“Plenty of hate and bigotry in this county to go around, not just against blacks and browns.  This site is full of hate every day.”

You mean the prevailing Pandagonian attitude toward “libertarians”?  Or racist, sexist, hypocritical Republicans?  Or people who launch wars killing thousands in the name of “Peace”?  Or men who rape 13-year old girls and try to use their fame and artistic talent to get themselves off?  Or women who claim that women shouldn’t have the right to vote or have jobs or have equal rights with men?  Or a woman who claims it’s perfectly okay to put her pet raccoon on her web site and make comparisons with the (black) President?  Is that the kind of hate you’re referring to?...

Comment #35: MikeEss  on  10/15  at  10:20 AM

It would help if the media stopped portraying racist terrorists as the “real Americans” and giving them a pass. They are always portrayed as citizens with “honest concerns” about Obama’s policy instead of a hate filled, violently angry mob who live to over dramatize any perceived mistake by the president or his administration.

Black people, who have honest concerns about health care, fair housing (like not being steered to ARM’s), the economy, crime, etc. are never portrayed as the “real Americans”.

In November right after the election, I had white people smiling at me on the streets. By the summer, a white man beat a black woman who simply asked him to be careful and not hit her child with a door and a black professor receiving death threats for having the unmitigated gall to protest being arrested in his own home. So the precipitous drop in good feelings toward America could have something to do with the fact that every time we turn around we hear another news story about “real Americans” and their hatred of Obama and all things black.

Comment #36: DC Fem  on  10/15  at  10:22 AM

“You can make an argument that there are no innocent Americans though.  Or at least, that there are no innocent tax-paying Americans.  The only way to be innocent as an American is to refuse to pay taxes.  You will eventually go to prison and, unless it became a mass movement, which it won’t, you will not save one life.  To put it another way; one monkey don’t stop no show.”

I’m with AnglScarlett. In a democracy, we’re all responsible for what our government does. Innocent blood on the hands of every American, mine included.

“To the original post - It’s a terrible truth that Obama’s election has shined a light on the racists in our society, and as always, it hasn’t been a pretty sight.  The fact remains that enough Americans weren’t racist, or Obama wouldn’t have been elected.  Far more encouraging - young voters went for Obama by dramatic percentages.  Racism will never be eradicated but our youth will put it out for the count.”

My impression is that a certain number of racists voted for Obama. There’s the too-good-to-check story of the Indiana redneck who tells the pollster “We’re votin’ for the n****r.” They don’t like black people, but McCain/Palin was laughably bad and followed eight years of George W. Bush amid a tanking economy. Certainly a lot of people voted for Barack Obama who are okay with Bill from accounting or Jemele that works down the hall, but have negative and bigoted stereotypes of black people as a group. Obama could be “one of the good ones” for such people, especially given his rhetoric that spent a lot of time reassuring white people that he wasn’t so worried about racism.

Comment #37: witless chum  on  10/15  at  10:41 AM

Is that the kind of hate you’re referring to?…

Libertarian means the targets of right wing malice & malfeasance shouldn’t get all uppity and complain about their oppressors.  Second-class citizens should meekly accept the rule of their betters, or pull themselves up by their Randian Superman bootstraps and start a utopian underwater colony.

Comment #38: Sour Kraut  on  10/15  at  10:47 AM

Yes witless, that’s true.  And I didn’t mean to gloss over those facts.  Especiall the “one of the good ones” thing, which I kind of thought might be going on to some extent during the campaign.  I remember one rightwinger - Tarzan6050 on the old netscape political boards - using the n word and the assuring everyone he was not a racist because he loved Shaq.  So I’m familar with that mindset.  Still, I take a lot of comfort in our youngest generations because I don’t think they see race the way we do.  I hope I’m not wrong.

Comment #39: JennyLI  on  10/15  at  11:56 AM

Someone searched for that picture, and whaddaya know, it’s not her pet.  It’s a picture that is/has been up at several places on the net.  (I think I saw this at Oliver Willis.)  Plus by “pet” she means that it hangs around her backyard.  So I think we can safely go with the “invidious comparison” theory.

Comment #40: Older  on  10/15  at  12:09 PM

It’s not her pet.

Why lie?  It’s not like that lie excused any of the racism anyway. 

*headdesk*

Comment #41: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/15  at  01:04 PM

OK, I surfed over to that cesspool.  She never claimed it was her raccoon, and she’s not a RAAAAACIST.

Ultralibs just look for raaaaaacism everywhere.  As if it were hard to find.

Comment #42: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/15  at  01:25 PM

” you overestimated our population by a factor of, uh, Australia.”

Yeah, ok, but it were after midnight and the old grey matter starts to misfire at that hour
Doubly so, as I made a typo also, meant to peg the US population at 250 million for the same reason that McCain still refers to the Czech Republic as Czechoslovakia


”You give Lonesome Rhodes Beck WAAAAY too much credit …. Glenn Beck had a total audience of 2.965,000 viewers.  Sure that’s more than double the audience of CNN (Blitzer) and MSNBC (Matthews) combined in that timeslot (1.2MM total viewers), but Beck’s audience still makes up LESS THAN 1% of all Americans..”

I was using Beck listeners as shorthand for wingnuts in general, and I’m sure we have at least 20 million of those.
Mostly I chose “Beck” because I’d like to see that become a more common line.  When Limbaugh says “I’m not the head of the Republican Party” the answer should be “Of course not, Glen Beck is” and let the fur fly

But your point is valid and deserves to be repeated – when they say Beck’s (or Limbaugh, O’Rielly, Dobbs, etc) “ratings are through the roof” you are still talking about a miniscule % of the population.  And not just because there are more channels now then in Walter Cronkite’s day. “Best Sellers” by Coulter or Goldberg are a bought by a tiny % also

To your larger point, I stand by my position:
“are Americans good?” does not have a clear cut yes or no answer – cant be answered without a lot of fiddler-on-the-roof on one hand / on the other hand discussion

Comment #43: jefft452  on  10/15  at  01:53 PM

“Why lie?  It’s not like that lie excused any of the racism anyway”

Why Lie?
It’s what they do
Thats like asking why fish swim

Comment #44: jefft452  on  10/15  at  01:58 PM

“To the original post - It’s a terrible truth that Obama’s election has shined a light on the racists in our society, and as always, it hasn’t been a pretty sight.  The fact remains that enough Americans weren’t racist, or Obama wouldn’t have been elected.  Far more encouraging - young voters went for Obama by dramatic percentages.  Racism will never be eradicated but our youth will put it out for the count.”

My impression is that a certain number of racists voted for Obama. There’s the too-good-to-check story of the Indiana redneck who tells the pollster “We’re votin’ for the n****r.” They don’t like black people, but McCain/Palin was laughably bad and followed eight years of George W. Bush amid a tanking economy. Certainly a lot of people voted for Barack Obama who are okay with Bill from accounting or Jemele that works down the hall, but have negative and bigoted stereotypes of black people as a group. Obama could be “one of the good ones” for such people, especially given his rhetoric that spent a lot of time reassuring white people that he wasn’t so worried about racism.

I’m more in the middle on this.

I think a big problem in discussing racism for many is that it gets way too easily conflated into absolutes.  You either are a racist, or you are not a racist, and all racists are equal in their racism.

Well, that’s simply not true.

In my life, I don’t know if I have ever met a single human being who has never once allowed race-based prejudices affect their actions or attitudes.  To be overly simplistic, we all have been guilty of this at some point in our lives.  I don’t believe that black people (or Hispanics, or any other ethnic minority) is capable of practicing true racism because they lack the institutional power to do so.  But I do believe that all people of all races have allowed race-based prejudices to affect their actions or attitudes at some point in their lives.

The best of us fight these learned prejudices and try to practice being color-blind to the best of our abilities, but we all fall short at some point.

So what does it mean?  Well, for white people in particular, it means that at some point in your life, you have probably done something that could be construed as racist in nature.  I include myself in this.

As a teenager, I was brutally attacked by a group of 15 older black kids crossing a baseball field in my racially diverse urban neighborhood, who beat the snot out of me and 3 of my friends for no apparant reason, and while doing so screamed, “You honkies gonna die!”  I don’t know precisely what motivated the attack, but it occurred less than one week after the nation witnessed the brutal police beating of a black man named Rodney King on a Los Angeles freeway.  Whether it was or it wasn’t, in my heart, I felt as if I got beaten and sent to the hospital for a concussion simply because I was white.  And I was fucking infuriated and hurt.  For a few months, if I saw a black person wlaking down the street, I went to the other side.  I told and laughed at racist jokes with utter impunity.  I hated black people.  I had become a racist.  And at the time, I felt my hatred of black people was totally justified - a group of black people who didn’t know me from Adam attacked me for no reason whatsoever, and I had legitimately been wronged.

The problem is, I took the actions of a few really shitty human beings and placed the responsibility for those actions on an entire race of people.  Which is absolutely racist.  Up until that time, I didn’t have a particularly strong feeling one way or another about black people.  I lived in a diverse neighborhood, but went to private Catholic schools, and there just weren’t a lot of black people in my life in my early years.  I lived around black people and saw them everyday, but for th most part, the black kids and white kids in my neighborhood were largely self-segregated.

I don’t know how or when it was precisely that I discovered the horrible flaw in my thinking - that it’s unfair for me to blame an entire race for the bad actions of a tiny group of people who belong to that race - but over time as I became a young adult in college, it hit me that I was indeed acting like a racist, and that I was wrong for thinking that way.

But that was just the beginning.  I completely eliminated all racist epithets from my lexicon, and scorned others when those words were used in my presence.  Yay, gold star for me.  But that was clearly insufficient.  As I became involved with progressive groups like Amnesty International, I realized more and more just how much racism is in the world.  I began reading voraciously and paying attention to how our political system and cultural institutions are rife with racism.  I began to see how much racism negatively affects ALL OF US, whether we acknowledge it or not.

(cont’d.)

Comment #45: DTG in STL  on  10/15  at  05:56 PM

(cont’d.)

I’m still learning and becoming more aware, and I still have a long way to go.  The progressive blogosphere has opened my eyes up so much, in many ways, far more than academic analyses on the matter, because I read about real people’s experiences with the issue.

Racism isn’t gone.  And if I’m being completely honest, there are probably still areas in my own life where my white privilege hasn’t been fully examined, and where I’ve allowed racist tendencies to rear their ugly head.  I do still get nervous when driving through certain areas of my city late at night, and I’d be a liar if I said I didn’t.  But I’m willing to drive in those areas today, whereas before I wasn’t.  I regularly drove a guy home at night to the heart of North St. Louis (one of the most violent inner city areas in the United States) during the election campaign, and I canvassed in some of the most crime-ridden neighborhoods in the city.  And I heard gunshots more than once in these experiences, and got a little freaked out.  But I still did it.  This certainly doesn’t make me heroic, and I don’t expect any praise for it… it’s just doing what I believe to be the right thing.

I guess my point is this.  If you go through most people’s lives with a fine-tooth comb, you will find that they have almost all done something bad at some point in their life with race-based connotations.  If the fact that after getting severely beaten by some black kids, in a fit of anger and pain I blurted out, “I fucking hate niggers!” makes me as much of a racit as David Duke, well then… we’re all fucked.

You have to judge people by the totality of their actions.  Racism is always inexcusable, no matter how small the offense.  My angry racist outburst as a kid was inexcusable.  It benefits no one and harms everyone.  But you cannot place all people who have ever done anything racist in their lives in the same group, because then you wind up accusing nearly everyone of being a virulent racist on the same scale.  You call out individual actions as wrong, and you express your disapproval for those actions.  But you also acknowledge that humans make mistakes, and can be rehabilitated.  Certain people have made way, way too many mistakes to be cured of their racsim… Rush Limbaugh comes to mind.  And so it’s fair to say that he is and always has been a hateful racist man, because his actions back the claim up.

I don’t know who is or isn’t a racist.  Some people very clearly are, but for most people, it gets a lot more gray.  The real question isn’t who is or is not a racist, but how much of a racist they are.

Comment #46: DTG in STL  on  10/15  at  05:57 PM

I want someone to tell me what the definition of ‘racism’ is, ‘cause it seems to change daily.

AND

America was not designed to be a “fair” place.

It was designed to be a place of opportunity so that those who choose to do so, can achieve. Just look what Obama has achieved!

Want “fair”? Go to Cuba. You will all be equally poor and equally oppressed.

Comment #47: Not Your Stereotypical Nigger  on  10/15  at  07:25 PM

My country IS killing people.  And that sucks ass, and I am appalled by it.  But I don’t have any money, I’m not related to anyone in Congress or in a corporate boardroom, and aside from my vote and my voice, I have virtually no power to personally change the entire status quo that is America.

Fine, I can understand that.

But what I’m sorta fumbling towards is an unwillingness to accept excuses such as “I don’t think everyday Americans are innately evil, unkind people”.  The majority of individuals who live in America may well be vaguely good, decent people - but the moment you identify them as “Americans”, you’re implicitly putting them as part of a corporate entity that scares a lot of people with the blood on its hands.  “Americans” are not innocent - individuals may be effectively powerless (and that’s a whole other argument), but they are not innocent.

And having said that, the US as an imperial nation is much better than the USSR, and probably better than the old British Empire.  That doesn’t make it good though - I don’t need to run through the stats on military spending and intervention.  Even your allies are worried by you at times - I grew up with a couple of influential NZ novels which pointed out that there was no difference between NZ as a US client state and those in South America you were busy screwing over, which possibly had some influence towards NZ’s calculatedly neutral stance in world politics.

I’m not trying to attack personally and I’m a bit inarticulate on this, but your country is not seen from outside as an entirely benign force, but as a pragmatic and occasionally ruthless neo-imperial power. The emotional detachment of Americans from the consequences of their country’s actions, the assumption of a default personal innocence grates on many.  I imagine the survivors of the bombed Afghan wedding parties have very little tolerance for Americans saying ‘we’re here to help you!”, no matter how well intentioned those people may be.

Of course, this is my own wierd perspective - I have many American friends, but I’m politically aware and I’m aware that my anti-American paranoia is a little irrational.

Comment #48: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/15  at  07:43 PM

“Americans” are not innocent - individuals may be effectively powerless (and that’s a whole other argument), but they are not innocent.

‘Splain that one for me.

If we agree that most Americans are pretty powerless on an individual level to prevent the massive evils perpetrated by our government and our corporations, how exactly are we particularly guilty - meaning “not innocent” - individually for those transgressions?

I can see an argument in which you can say that collectively we have responsibility, but that holds true for just about every citizen of every nation on earth in some way or another.

When Dubya was POTUS, I had no issue with Europeans and others expressing their disgust for American foreign policy.  And even today with Obama as POTUS, I have no problems with foreigners expressing their disgust with American foreign policy which continues to reflect Bushian Reichwing ideology.

But I guess this is what pisses me off… what purpose does it serve to attack and criticize an entire group of 307 Million people who really have little to no power to alter the foreign policy of their government?  How is that helpful in anyway?

You want to tell me that my country’s government is largely controlled bya bunch of greedy imperialistic assholes who don’t give a shit about anything other than maintaining American supremacy?

Right the fuck on, I agree with you completely!  We’re allies in this perspective!  My government does mostly suck, and American exceptionalism sucks!  We’re on the same page.  But I don’t like implications that the majority of Americans necessarily suck because their government sucks.

Money is power.  And in America, 95% of us collectively share less total wealth then the wealth controlled by the wealthiest 1% of our citizens.  So it isn’t just fluffy rhetoric to say that the vast majority of us are fairly powerless, it’s a fact.  And while I’m not gonna say that all 290,000,000 Americans on the bottom of the heap are good and decent people incapable of wrongdoing, I would like to point out that individually, most of these folks aren’t particularly capable of widespread harm, and additionally, most of these folks just want to get by and live their lives with some sense that their basic needs will be met.

Yeah, we see pictures of teaparty wingnut assholes who chant, “Rah, rah, ‘Murica first, fuck them furrners!”

THESE PEOPLE DON’T REPRESENT THE MAJORITY OF U.S. CITIZENS!  Hell, they tried to inflate their numbers on 9/12 through the roof, and we clled them out for it.  They are vocal and they are loud and they are absolutely shittastic human beings… but they ain’t all of us, or even most of us.

The Chinese government is guilty of some pretty despicable things.  Since most would agree that their government sucks in some matters, does that mean we should say that none of the 1.3 Billion Chinese citizens are innocent in their government’s atrocities against the Tibetans, for instance?

I don’t think Americans are generally any better or worse as human beings as anyone else from any other country.  Our government certainly sucks more than most in the world in many ways, but I just can’t hold all of my ellow citizens personally ressponsible for the atrocities that are being committed mainly at the behest of the top 1% of wealthy people that live here.  Because 99% of us aren’t those people.

This statement of yours, I agree completely with:

your country is not seen from outside as an entirely benign force, but as a pragmatic and occasionally ruthless neo-imperial power.

And it is rightly seen that way.

Comment #49: DTG in STL  on  10/15  at  08:12 PM

Things like this don’t help.  It is LA, and the JoP did refer them elsewhere, but still!  WTF!!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091016/ap_on_re_us/us_interracial_rebuff

Comment #50: helen w. h.  on  10/16  at  02:33 PM

I find it incredably simplistic that the same people who talk about how all Americans are guilty are the often same ones who don’t seem to have a problem not blaming all Pakistani or Indian or Australian (or wherever from) folks for what those governments, or large groups of extremists amoung their populous (even though still minorities within). 
No, simplistic isn’t the word I want is it? Self-righteous assholery has about the right ring, maybe?

Comment #51: helen w. h.  on  10/16  at  02:42 PM
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