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Teabagger exploits shooting to demand we move toward becoming a banana republic

The latest in the game of conservatives pretending it’s they, and not the people who got shot, who are the real victims of the Arizona shooting is Trent Humphries, the leader of the Tucson Tea Party.  After rolling out the usual whine about how being told not to be a paranoid, violent nutbar is oppression beyond any suffered in human history, he then blamed Giffords herself for what happened to her:

“It’s political gamesmanship,” he told the Guardian. “The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?”

This is such a telling comment, beyond the usual wankery, responsibility evasion, and willingness to do whatever it takes to keep escalating the paranoid crankery.  For all the skreeing about “political gamemanship”, Humphries is all too willing to use this to demand further dismantling of our peaceful democracy.  After all, he’s basically asking to live in a country where our politicians have to hire

mercenaries

private security firms in order to go around.

This is the height of authoritarian wankery, and anti-democratic.  Joe Miller hired private security, like the tyrannical “libertarian” wanker he is, and the result was that they manhandled a journalist who had done nothing wrong.  Having a bunch of thugs that work outside the law hanging out at what are supposed to be political events sends a signal of intimidation and censorship, and it also undermines the rule of law, because as the Miller incident shows, these guys work outside the law.  Often, they make it up as they go along, in direct violation of existing laws.

One of the reasons I’m still proud of America is we’re not a country (yet) where our elected representatives carry on like they’re minor dictators, but instead have to deal with the public as actual public servants.  I’m not surprised, however, to find that teabaggers are exploiting this situation to move us into a more authoritarian, less free, less democratic direction.

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 07:00 PM • (59) Comments

One of the reasons I’m still proud of America is we’re not a country (yet) where our elected representatives carry on like they’re minor dictators, but instead have to deal with the public as actual public servants.

Really?

Possibly they’ve delegated the overt “acting like minor dictators” role to the police forces…

Comment #1: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/13  at  07:27 PM

Considering the whole point of the Giffords event was to make sure people felt that their elected representative was accessible, this guy gets a double-fail.

Comment #2: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/13  at  07:34 PM

“...teabaggers are exploiting this situation to move us into a more authoritarian, less free, less democratic direction.”

Yeah. As long as its THEIR side that’s doing the ruling. I’ve heard it said before (can’t remember if it was a thread here or somewhere else) that conservatives don’t want to govern. They want to rule.

Comment #3: Mark  on  01/13  at  07:49 PM

So, the bitch deserved it because she <strike>was dressed provocatively</strike> was acting all liberal and shit and didn’t have enough security to stop some random asshole from shooting her.

Nice!  Now, demand she apologize for making that wacko shoot her and get other people hurt/killed too…

(Sometimes I hate my home country with the fire of a thousand suns.) 

Sir Dickwad of the Teabagger Party should have to tell the parents of the nine-year-old girl to their face that it was the congresswoman’s fault their daughter was killed, and not the fault of the wacko…on live TV, so the whole planet can see what a douchebag really looks like…

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  01/13  at  08:00 PM

Maybe very untimely, but events recently reminded me of the Boomtown Rats Banana Republic.

http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Banana-Republic-lyrics-Boomtown-Rats/93C86456EB97023E48256E8C00112E23

Comment #5: James  on  01/13  at  08:01 PM

Yay! Blaming the victim. My favorite.

Comment #6: kv8246  on  01/13  at  08:15 PM

::sigh:: Is it bad of me to want to commit acts of violence against these teabagging idiots who apparently don’t WANT to live in a civil society?

They don’t just accept living under tyranny, they actually pull the jackboots onto their throats.

Comment #7: Eric_RoM  on  01/13  at  08:26 PM

Is he trying to say that getting shot was a cunning part of Giffords’ campaign, or that we have no right to complain about acts of violence as long as we refuse to be intimidated?

Comment #8: DaveL  on  01/13  at  08:30 PM

Eric: yes. 

First Amendment solutions, not Second Amendment solutions.  Memorize it.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/13  at  08:36 PM

I’ll continue to merely hope they get a one-way ticket to Somalia to experience their Utopia then.

(I’d say _wanting_, but definitely NOT acting, is ok.  I won’t even incite.)

Comment #10: Eric_RoM  on  01/13  at  08:40 PM

As Glenn Greenwald pointed out yesterday, every instance of violence like this one seems to result in a knee-jerk call for some sort of restriction of liberties. So teabaggers are adding victim blaming to the mix, but really all the proposed “solutions” in the aftermath of this assassination attempt have been authoritarian in nature.

Comment #11: elena  on  01/13  at  09:25 PM

Douchebag says what?

Mein Kempf, The Communist Manifesto...These things really aren’t on many Tea Party reading lists.”

What books are on those lists,  other than Teh Wholly Babble, anything from Regnery, and I dunno, My Pet Goat?

Comment #12: Nobody in Particular  on  01/13  at  09:48 PM

I don’t know, but this Jew (well, until 1973) thinks that saying these things about this guy is a blood libel.

Comment #13: Iam138  on  01/13  at  09:52 PM

Eric: yes.

First Amendment solutions, not Second Amendment solutions.  Memorize it.

Stomping on the heads of peaceful protesters falls under which category?

Comment #14: bay of arizona  on  01/13  at  10:21 PM

John McCain would NEVER speak to a bunch of extremist gun-toting nuts!

LOL!

Comment #15: MHF  on  01/13  at  10:37 PM

Brought to you by the Yahoo comments section:

“Let’s view this from another angle….maybe ...it’s Giffords fault for this mass murder. If she was receiving hate mail then why would she continue to go into public busy areas to mingle among people. She might have well put a bullseye on her head. Being political doesn’t mean having to go out where people are going about doing their day by day things and involving youself with them. Maybe politicians should meet and greet someplace where there could be more security…their own security and not involve the security of innocent bystanders. Many innocent bystanders got shot and killed because she was there to advertise her own political views.”

... I guess it’s not surprising that he was just parroting someone else’s douchbaggery; I was suspicious when I saw that a conservative seemed to have thought of something. They are usually evil and stupid. :p

Comment #16: Bagelsan  on  01/13  at  11:35 PM

What books are on those lists, other than Teh Wholly Babble, anything from Regnery, and I dunno, My Pet Goat?

Ayn Rand and Glenn Beck obviously!  Also through in Coulter and Limbaugh for good measure.  These people are ideologically driven by the media.  That is why if anything Tea Party people seem to be an avid reading class, just not of factual literature.

They’re certainly part and parcel of the “safety” meme.  That somehow increasing “security” makes the world safer yet as far as we know the only things that make us safer as a society is increased police patrols and that costs precious money.  Money the tea baggers just aren’t willing to part with because then we would have to give the police pensions and that isn’t copacetic.

Comment #17: Xeranar  on  01/13  at  11:37 PM

From the YouTube comment Bagelsan quoted:

Being political doesn’t mean having to go out where people are going about doing their day by day things and involving youself with them.

I thought it deserved highlighting. Also, that’s a new low of stupid for YouTube comments, which is saying a lot.

Comment #18: Nobody in Particular  on  01/14  at  12:11 AM

Xeranar:

Ayn Rand and Glenn Beck obviously!

Well, I don’t know the names of their actual publishers (Rand might be public domain by now), but Regnery is a wingnut-welfare press, so I threw it in there to cover that base.

Comment #19: Nobody in Particular  on  01/14  at  12:12 AM

Wow.  My only hope is that he doesn’t actually believe this crap and is just scrambling to find any excuse.  Please tell me that’s the case.  Please?

I really hope his followers don’t take him seriously and start targeting any public figure who doesn’t have a constant entourage of security guards.

And what about the other victims?  Should random citizens also be killed for failing to hire enough security guards?  What about the child who died?  Is it her fault for not predicting that she would need a body guard?

Comment #20: bananacat  on  01/14  at  12:17 AM

Nobody in Particular @ 18: yeah, that bit jumped out at me too. The whole thing was pretty telling, though, so I quoted it completely intact (those rambling ellipses are pure [sic].) It’s weird the perception some people have of politicians; there’s truly a disconnect between what “politics” should/does mean and what they think it means.

PS. it was a Yahoo comment, if you care, but with that kinda dumbassery it totally deserves to be called a YouTube comment (the most wretched hive of scum and villainy…) :p

Comment #21: Bagelsan  on  01/14  at  01:10 AM

I think Somalia is a good model for Americans to try.

Comment #22: scratchy888  on  01/14  at  01:12 AM

“...why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?”

Because she’s not a yellow-bellied coward.  Next question?

Comment #23: Nutella  on  01/14  at  01:58 AM

During the 2010 campaign, Giffords’ tea party opponent rarely made an appearance without faux Secret Service style guards, large thugs dressed in suits.

I know it has been previously mentioned, but Gab has always gone out of her way to be extremely accessible to the community that she represents.  It’s one of the many reasons that she is so loved by almost everybody in her district. 

I just registered after years of reading this site to thank Amanda for continuing to cover this story that is so close to the hearts of everybody here in Tucson.  Your insights and compassion are incredibly welcome in this tough time!

Comment #24: Caitlin  on  01/14  at  02:07 AM

During the 2010 campaign, Giffords’ tea party opponent rarely made an appearance without faux Secret Service style guards, large thugs dressed in suits.

Which is to say that he(?) surrounded himself(?) with symbols of authority designed specifically to appeal to authoritarian followers.  I would suspect that it wasn’t security but theatre.

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/14  at  02:19 AM

Hey teabaggers—fuck you.  Fuck you all.

Comment #26: Lexi  on  01/14  at  02:26 AM

Well, I don’t know the names of their actual publishers (Rand might be public domain by now), but Regnery is a wingnut-welfare press, so I threw it in there to cover that base.
Comment #19: Nobody in Particular on 01/13 at 11:12 PM

Tiem to PD has increased.  IIRc 75 years?  and the Rand Estate still controls much.

Comment #27: phylosopher  on  01/14  at  03:02 AM

@25 It was totally theater.  He (please forgive me for not wanting to name his name) ran on his tough guy military experience while “needing” bodyguards, and complained about government handouts while his family’s construction company received literally millions in the stimulus package.

Oh, and he held a campaign fundraiser at a a shooting range to show how he was “targeting” Giffords.  He had scheduled a press conference for this week to announce that he was going to run against her again in 2012, but it seems, amazingly, that he might suddenly have the good taste to realize that he should postpone.  Sadly, the R’s here are already kindly announcing that they would be happy to take her seat if she can’t serve…

Comment #28: Caitlin  on  01/14  at  03:22 AM

Hey teabaggers—fuck you.  Fuck you all.

“See - this proves that the rhetoric of the Left is JUST as extreme as that of the Right!”

Comment #29: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/14  at  04:37 AM

To think that our creator was chained to a rock by the gods so that an eagle could feast on his liver forever, yet we’re considered violent extremists because one of our number routinely used to suggest that some one or another deserved to be nibbled to death by ducks. “Into the duck pit!” he’d say, and we’d politely titter, knowing that the point of the old joke was that such a death would be interminably indeterminate.

Comment #30: bad Jim  on  01/14  at  05:45 AM

So he’s saying either:

- she was being threatened and was under constant fear of attack, therefore she should have had security and not dong so made being shot her own fault:

OR

- she never was under fear of attack, as evidenced by the lack of security she had, so all this leftwing rhetoric about hate-mongering from the right is a lie - his evidence for this lack of threatening behaviour being that she was, erm, shot.

So, either victim-blaming or illogical idiocy.  Nice moves there, arsehole.

Comment #31: Katherine  on  01/14  at  05:48 AM

I think, inspired by Amanda’s analysis of misogyny earlier on, that there’s some “Women not knowing their place” American Taliban subtext to this round of victim-blaming.

Comment #32: Josh  on  01/14  at  07:08 AM

MikeEss @4, i had the exact same reaction.

i think it is telling that liberal politicians like gifford don’t live in fear of the public, yet palin and other right-wing idealogues cocoon themselves with private security. it would seem to me that those who speak most in favor of unrestricted gun ownership act the most afraid of it.

Comment #33: cj  on  01/14  at  08:08 AM

@Katherine #31:  It’s probably mostly the misogynist victim-blaming card he is playing here.  Somehow I doubt he would be policing a male politician’s behavior after the fact.  To me, it sounds a lot like the “What was she doing OUT?  She was ASKING FOR IT” meme of rape apologists.

To underscore the Yahoo comment, I don’t think these people understand what a representative democracy is all about.  These people are SUPPOSED to be accessible due to the fact they are our representatives.  Remember how everybody got all upset when they changed the rules at the White House so you couldn’t walk on Pennsylvania Avenue in front of it or spend much time protesting there because of the nutjob with the gun?  Yeah, we probably do, but these people love them some police state action, I think.

Comment #34: speedbudget  on  01/14  at  09:32 AM

Yeah, it’s all them thar Democratic librul politicians’ fault. Nothing to worry about from the Teabaggers…

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/an-unbelievable-video-of-political-madness/69530/

Comment #35: Gracchus.  on  01/14  at  10:16 AM

”...yet palin and other right-wing idealogues cocoon themselves with private security.”

Aside from the theater aspect (keep the fear in the conserva-proles stoked constantly), and the need to maintain total control over their presentation/image (disagree at your peril, and yes, we’re looking at your tee-shirts and the bumper-stickers on your car), many right-wing pols and celebrities are also smart enough to realize that one of their own could easily decide they aren’t “conservative” enough and therefore need to be purged — with extreme prejudice…

Seriously, I think it’s fairly obvious that politicians on the left and the right are mostly afraid of nutjobs on the right — the left wingers because they are to the left of Attila the Hun, and the right wingers because they’re afraid they may not be perceived as being to the right of Attila the Hun…

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  01/14  at  10:41 AM

I don’t think that the private security forces around right-wing politicians are so much theater for the public as theater for the politicians themselves. Remember, they’re victims, persevering against tremendous odds, risking martyrdom like the early christians or Martin Luther King—oops, scratch that last reference. They want to be embattled and beset. Of course, the fact that on this planet the security forces also mean they get to act like authoritarian tinpots is just a bonus.

I wonder what this guy thinks of Poland having that ineffective army and provoking its more powerful, whiter neighbor. That plot certainly worked well.

Comment #37: paul  on  01/14  at  11:20 AM

I find it interesting that not much continues to be said about the fact that a Federal judge was also shot (and he was killed). 
Do you all think that was because he was a he, he was there for her rally or because someone has enough tact not to go on about the federal official who is dead but not enough to keep from doing so about the one maimed?

Comment #38: helen w. h.  on  01/14  at  12:33 PM

Do you all think that was because he was a he, he was there for her rally or because someone has enough tact not to go on about the federal official who is dead but not enough to keep from doing so about the one maimed?

I’d take the other option, Helen - the guy went there to shoot Gifford, and anyone else who got in the way is just collateral damage.

Consider, as I have the story, six people died.  We have the 9 year old kid, the judge and… and… - I don’t recall any stories about the other four.  It’‘s not because they’re all male, or all female, or all black, or all white - it’s just because they’re not newsworthy in and of themselves.

Comment #39: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/14  at  01:43 PM

“It’s political gamesmanship,” he told the Guardian. “The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?”

Yes, because authoritarianism, petty tyranny, and security theatre has worked so well for the airports…

Comment #40: Princess Rot  on  01/14  at  02:05 PM

“Yes, because authoritarianism, petty tyranny, and security theatre has worked so well for the airports…”

When you care more about appearances than actual security then yes, it has worked very well, especially for the “performers” and their employer.  For us, not so much. 

Besides the the authoritarianism is a feature and not a bug.  You can’t transform into Gilead/Oceania overnight, you have to ease the proles into it before they realize what’s going on…

Comment #41: MikeEss  on  01/14  at  02:33 PM

@39: two were women over 50. I can remeber that without googling.  I think one was 56.

Comment #42: helen w. h.  on  01/14  at  03:33 PM

@39:
And with 1 shot on google-
Christina Taylor Green, 9 - elementary student and granddaughter of MLB former player/ manager Dallas Green, born 9/11/2001
Gabriel Zimmerman, 30 - member of Gifford’s staff
John Roll, 63 - chief judge of US District Court for AZ, named to the bench by Bush I in 1991
Dorothy Morris, 76 - retired secretary (her husband George was wounded)
Dorwin Stoddard, 76 - retired construction worker (his wife Mary was wounded)
Phyllis Schneck, 79 - homemaker

Comment #43: helen w. h.  on  01/14  at  03:46 PM

During the 2010 campaign, Giffords’ tea party opponent rarely made an appearance without faux Secret Service style guards, large thugs dressed in suits.
Comment #24: Caitlin

It’s like Entourage but his bros only stick around as long as the wing-nut welfare checks keep coming in.

Comment #44: cynickal  on  01/14  at  04:06 PM

Listening to tea partiers ranting about “liberty” and “freedom” is like listening to virgins talk about sex: lots of enthusiasm but no actual understanding of the subject…

Comment #45: Woodrowfan  on  01/14  at  04:41 PM

from what I read today in the WashPost, two of the older victims were actually Republicans who went there to ask the Congresswoman question.  Isn’t that the way Democracy is supposed to work?  Where even your opponents can go ask questions?

Comment #46: Woodrowfan  on  01/14  at  04:44 PM

First Amendment solutions, not Second Amendment solutions.  Memorize it.

Something which has been nagging me for a long time is the question: how do you settle your differences by conversing with authoritarians who sincerely want you dead?

There are prominent people and groups in USian society who want women enslaved if not dead, LGBT people dead, the sick and disabled dead, non-whites dead, non-their-economic-philosophy followers dead, and want non-christians dead. In addition: the way these peoples use their First Amendment rights are condoned and supported by politicians and major media over the exercise of the First Amendment of other groups, and you can perceive the dog whistles, if not blatant messages, supporting how they exercise their Second Amendment “rights” if they’re not otherwise beating, bludgeoning, stabbing, hanging, immolating, and bombing their enemies to death.

I highly support our side to use ideas and reason to change minds that hate us, but I also don’t perceive any way of conversing with those who want to eliminate us. Our speech is not condoned or supported like theirs. And as we aren’t authoritarians, the only group authoritarians respect, they aren’t going to engage in an exchange of ideas with us but rather continue their sanctioned campaign of terror and murder to eliminate us.

I just don’t see a way of directly stopping the slaughter without betraying our ideals. The only hope I perceive is that it’s mostly older people who are the eliminationists, and that when they’re gone the violence will go with them.

However I can’t get over how many good people will have to die before that happens. I find the cognitive dissonance between living up to one’s morals yet letting good people die because you can’t forcibly protect them, or doing something to make the authoritarians stop (and thus become akin to them) and saving the lives of good people hard to live with.

Comment #47: R.T.  on  01/14  at  06:08 PM

“Isn’t that the way Democracy is supposed to work?  Where even your opponents can go ask questions?”

Oh no, questions imply dissent, and everyone knows that dissent is a form of treason…

Let me be clear:  Dissent is a form of treason if the dissenter is a dirty librul.  If the dissenter is a Conservative, then it’s the highest form of patriotism…

Now, if you were to ask a question like:  “Was Ronald Reagan the best president of the 20th Century, or was he the best president of all time?” — that would be okay…

Comment #48: MikeEss  on  01/14  at  06:09 PM

Listening to tea partiers ranting about “liberty” and “freedom” is like listening to virgins talk about sex: lots of enthusiasm but no actual understanding of the subject…

Except that a lot of virgins also read avidly about sex, while teabaggers… are not so much with the reading. smile

Comment #49: Bagelsan  on  01/14  at  06:12 PM

Except that a lot of virgins also read avidly about sex, while teabaggers… are not so much with the reading.

Except that neither reads anything realistic. Which kind of makes Glenn Beck the “Penthouse Letters” of Constitutionalism!

Comment #50: Woodrowfan  on  01/14  at  06:39 PM

Glenn Greenwald had a great post Wednesday at Salon, observing that the tragedy is also being exploited to push for looser standards for forcibly committing people to mental-health facilities:

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/12/galston/index.html

When you think about how deeply the social and political norms of an era can contribute to definitions of sanity—especially in a nation that for the last decade has brattily demanded unity and hand-holding fantasies, every time something bad happens—this is a scary prospect.

Comment #51: Luke  on  01/14  at  07:30 PM

I’m not surprised that several of the people at the event were elderly, and that they were shot and/or died from their injuries.  I am, however, somewhat surprised they were all over seventy.

Comment #52: Crissa  on  01/14  at  08:12 PM

Listening to tea partiers ranting about “liberty” and “freedom” is like listening to virgins talk about sex: lots of enthusiasm but no actual understanding of the subject…

Only a vague understanding of the mechanics, no idea how sticky things can get, and no ability to deal with the morning after.

Comment #53: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/14  at  08:33 PM

Listening to tea partiers ranting about “liberty” and “freedom” is like listening to virgins talk about sex: lots of enthusiasm but no actual understanding of the subject…

“Wait, wait, women enjoying having it too?”

Comment #54: Bagelsan  on  01/15  at  02:02 AM

USian
Stop that.

Comment #55: Devonian  on  01/15  at  03:28 PM

I’ll believe that it is a “lefty” thing when McCain stops appearing in public.

Comment #56: Ms Kate  on  01/16  at  12:11 AM

It really should be USAian - US American.

Comment #57: helen w. h.  on  01/16  at  02:37 PM

Who let the paultard concern troll back in here?

Comment #58: BrianX  on  01/17  at  03:39 AM

This interview is just another proof that teabaggers are dumber than anyone else.
The movie ‘Idiocracy’ describes these people perfectly.

Comment #59: Jimbo72  on  01/18  at  10:16 AM
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