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That debate wasn’t about Joe the Plumber

(BTW, Joe the Plumber isn’t registered to vote.)

Despite being mentioned 27 times during Wednesday’s debate, Joe The Plumber Wurzelbacher wasn’t the big news of the head-to-head between Barack Obama and John McCain. IMHO, it was the

final, no-mistakes-about-it repudiation of the presidency of George W. Bush

by the man topping the ticket of the Republican party in 2008:

MCCAIN: Senator Obama, I am not President Bush. If you wanted to run against President Bush, you should have run four years ago. I’m going to give a new direction to this economy in this country.

...OBAMA: Even FOX News disputes it, and that doesn’t happen very often when it comes to accusations about me. So the fact of the matter is that if I occasionally have mistaken your policies for George Bush’s policies, it’s because on the core economic issues that matter to the American people, on tax policy, on energy policy, on spending priorities, you have been a vigorous supporter of President Bush.

The man who voted with the current president 90% of the time just undermined his candidacy and illuminated why John McCain can’t close the deal.  And the Obama campaign capitalized on it with this new ad:

McCAIN:  Senator Obama, I am not President Bush.
ANNC:  True…but you did vote with Bush 90% of the time.
ANNC: Tax breaks for big corporations and the wealthy
ANNC: But almost nothing for the middle class – same as Bush.
ANNC: Keep spending ten billion a month in Iraq while our own economy struggles – same as Bush.
ANNC: You may not be George Bush, but…
MCCAIN: I voted with the President over 90% of the time…higher than a lot of my even Republican colleagues.

Even McCain

, by his own statements during the debate, has had enough of Republican rule. Unfortunately, his campaign and party represents Einstein’s definition of insanity: McCain and the GOP plan to do the same thing over and over again—lower taxes, deregulate—and expect different results.

The country is coming to the realization that they have been pickpocketed by the party of

its own

prosperity, and now it’s being led not by the jocular frat boy you want to have a beer with, but an angry, nasty, erratic man of many mansions who is out of touch with the economic reality being experienced out there.

There were several other nuggets in the debate that were meaningful of course. More below the fold.
* McCain won’t take responsibility for the hate-filled rhetoric fomented by his negative campaigning. He claimed that he’s repudiated all of those infamous incidents we’ve seen out there, but hey—his supporters are patriotic.

MCCAIN: Let me just say categorically I’m proud of the people that come to our rallies. Whenever you get a large rally of 10,000, 15,000, 20,000 people, you’re going to have some fringe peoples. You know that. And I’ve—and we’ve always said that that’s not appropriate.

But to somehow say that group of young women who said “Military wives for McCain” are somehow saying anything derogatory about you, but anything—and those veterans that wear those hats that say “World War II, Vietnam, Korea, Iraq,” I’m not going to stand for people saying that the people that come to my rallies are anything but the most dedicated, patriotic men and women that are in this nation and they’re great citizens.

He tried to divert attention from the bigotry of his supporters to hide behind a man McCain formerly considered a hero, Congressman John Lewis. Obama smacked the senator down hard.

OBAMA: I mean, look, if we want to talk about Congressman Lewis, who is an American hero, he, unprompted by my campaign, without my campaign’s awareness, made a statement that he was troubled with what he was hearing at some of the rallies that your running mate was holding, in which all the Republican reports indicated were shouting, when my name came up, things like “terrorist” and “kill him,” and that you’re running mate didn’t mention, didn’t stop, didn’t say “Hold on a second, that’s kind of out of line.”

And I think Congressman Lewis’ point was that we have to be careful about how we deal with our supporters.

* Reproductive freedom: McCain believes in state womb control, and that it is a matter that should be left to the states to recriminalize, Obama believes a woman has the right to choose.

SCHIEFFER: But you don’t want Roe v. Wade to be overturned?

MCCAIN: I thought it was a bad decision. I think there were a lot of decisions that were bad. I think that decisions should rest in the hands of the states…I would consider anyone in their qualifications. I do not believe that someone who has supported Roe v. Wade that would be part of those qualifications. But I certainly would not impose any litmus test.

...OBAMA: Now I would not provide a litmus test. But I am somebody who believes that Roe versus Wade was rightly decided. I think that abortion is a very difficult issue and it is a moral issue and one that I think good people on both sides can disagree on. But what ultimately I believe is that women in consultation with their families, their doctors, their religious advisers, are in the best position to make this decision. And I think that the Constitution has a right to privacy in it that shouldn’t be subject to state referendum, any more than our First Amendment rights are subject to state referendum, any more than many of the other rights that we have should be subject to popular vote.

* We learned last night that McCain thinks Sarah Palin is a role model who is a “Bresh of freth air.” The man who has as his slogan “Country First” clearly didn’t have that in mind when he chose the wholly unprepared Alaska governor as his running mate.

(“Fresh air” remark 2:49 in.)

MCCAIN: Well, Americans have gotten to know Sarah Palin. They know that she’s a role model to women and other—and reformers all over America. She’s a reformer. She is—she took on a governor who was a member of her own party when she ran for governor. When she was the head of their energy and natural resources board, she saw corruption, she resigned and said, “This can’t go on.”

She’s given money back to the taxpayers. She’s cut the size of government. She negotiated with the oil companies and faced them down, a $40 billion pipeline of natural gas that’s going to relieve the energy needs of the United—of what they call the lower 48.

She’s a reformer through and through. And it’s time we had that bresh of freth air (sic)—breath of fresh air coming into our nation’s capital and sweep out the old-boy network and the cronyism that’s been so much a part of it that I’ve fought against for all these years.

He didn’t go on to state how she’s qualified to be president, either. And reform corruption? Hell, she’s part of the problem up in her home state. And it’s hard to sell this ticket as reform oriented with little matters like this...whoops!

Early in 2007, just as her husband launched his presidential bid, Cindy McCain decided to resolve an old problem—the lack of cellular telephone coverage on her remote 15-acre ranch near Sedona, nestled deep in a tree-lined canyon called Hidden Valley. By the time Sen. John McCain’s presidential bid was in full swing this summer, the ranch had wireless coverage from the two cellular companies most often used by campaign staff—Verizon Wireless and AT&T.

Even Joe the Plumber can’t distract anyone from the debacle we saw last night.

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 06:07 AM • (24) Comments

Obama further obfuscated his radical record of abandoning abortion survivors to die in hospital soiled utility rooms by adding “there was already a law on the books in IL that required providing lifesaving treatment…”

LIE. IL abortion law to this day only protects abortion survivors their abortionist deems fit to live. The potential for subjective assessments in these cases is clear to all but Obama. In fact, Obama opposed closing this loophole by voting against legislation to mandate a second doctor be present at deliveries of all live abortion survivors to independently assess their viability.

Obama not only opposed IL’s BAIPA, he took a leadership role to kill it. His website still contains an ABC News quote from the IL Planned Parenthood CEO at the time stating “Obama approached her” to strategize to defeat BAIPA as well as the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. Barack Obama actually sought out PP to help him defeat a bill protecting abortion survivors.


Monster.

Comment #1: KLH  on  10/16  at  06:54 AM

Antichoice lies from KLH the morning after his leader revealed his true colors by laughing at the very notion of women’s “health.”

Comment #2: rea  on  10/16  at  08:12 AM

Hey, crackpot, if you were “born” (and I use that term loosely, as in this case, the fetus is not viable and is only born in the barest sense of the word) without a brain and were living on the twitches of your nervous system, would you…

Wait a minute.  Oh my dog, it’s true.  You can live without a brain.  KLH is proof of that.  *Wanders off to rethink things*

Comment #3: speedbudget  on  10/16  at  09:10 AM

Late term abortions are terrible.  There.  I said it.  Rejoice, Greater Wingnuttia!

Now because late term abortions are terrible, they should be few (as they are,) well thought out (as they are,) and not involve government meddling in the decisions of women and their doctors (as they should be.)  Even two shitty choices should involve choice, as I see it.  Sorry, Wingnuttia.

Comment #4: jon  on  10/16  at  09:31 AM

Jon—
Brilliant. 

When McCain and others talk about how health exceptions have been “stretched so far,” do you know what I hear?  Disrespect for women.  The notion that we don’t even know our own bodies.  The idea that we’re irrational creatures who would abort in the third term because of a cough. 

These people have never gotten to know a woman.  John McCain has had two wives and he also has daughters, and his running mate is a woman—but he has never gotten to truly know a woman, if that’s what he thinks we’re like.

Comment #5: Genevieve  on  10/16  at  10:32 AM

A fetus that is less than 22 weeks of gestational age cannot survive outside the womb, not even in a state-of-the-art neonatal unit. It might be kept alive on machines for a period, but cannot survive to hospital discharge. Pretty much every single elective abortion is carried out before 22 weeks, and those fetuses simply are not viable. Most neonatal units and physicians refuse to give treatment to nonviable fetuses, because there’s no point to it. Sometimes the parents want everything done for a 21-weeker born far too early, but medical technology simply can’t make up for such prematurity.

The law Obama opposed would effectively outlaw abortion (stealth attack!) by giving “human” rights/status to pre-viable fetuses. If doctors must provide medical “care” to a 15-week fetus with no chance for survival outside the womb, next thing you know there’s a law against abortion at 15 weeks, too.

Comment #6: Orange  on  10/16  at  10:39 AM

Absolutely fucking insulting.  Apparently he believes that pregnancy is just a minor thing, comparable to a mosquito bite, and that we women are so irresponsible and fickle that we will go through 6, 7, 8 months of radical changes in our bodies only to decided—whooops!  I’d like to go through a medical procedure!  But I’m sure you know better than the woman and the medical professional who has identified a “health” risk.  Perhaps you and Bill Frist could open a medical facility in which you review videotapes and diagnose women’s ills.  I bet all of them have hysteria.

Small question—anyone know why McCain kept bringing up autism, especially relative to Palin?

Comment #7: pennylane  on  10/16  at  10:42 AM

John McCain, as he has made clear over and over, has no interest in women.  We’re not actually real to him, as he demonstrated last night.  Fetuses are real to him.  Women?  Not so much.  My daughter and her rights, her needs, present and future?  He doesn’t even see those, and does not want to see them.  They’re beneath his contempt.

Comment #8: delagar  on  10/16  at  10:42 AM

....ecord of abandoning abortion survivors to die in hospital…

There is no such thing as an abortion survivor.  Abortion, by it’s very nature, means the fetus or embryo is terminated.

And McCain’s air quotes around the “health” of the mother just sickens me.

Comment #9: Olivia  on  10/16  at  11:08 AM

IL abortion law to this day only protects abortion survivors their abortionist deems fit to live.

Tell me, KLH, who pays for the heroic measures required to keep an infant with severe birth defects alive for an extra few hours, days or weeks?  We’re talking about $100,000 a week, at a minimum, and very few people can afford that.  So if you want to require by law that all infants have heroic measures taken no matter what their prognosis is, who pays for that care?  Health care isn’t free, you know.

Wait, let me guess—it’s not your problem if someone has an anencephalic infant.  They should have known that there was a 1% chance of having a child with a catastrophic birth defect and not gotten pregnant in the first place.

Comment #10: Mnemosyne  on  10/16  at  12:04 PM

McCain said:

I thought it was a bad decision. I think there were a lot of decisions that were bad. I think that decisions should rest in the hands of the states…I would consider anyone in their qualifications. I do not believe that someone who has supported Roe v. Wade that would be part of those qualifications. But I certainly would not impose any litmus test.

Doesn’t this mean that he will in fact impose a litmus test? I don’t know whether he just botched his sentence or if the answer to the litmus test question was “yes” even though he was trying to say “no.”

Comment #11: J.V.  on  10/16  at  12:05 PM

That’s exactly what I thought while watching, J.V.  I said, “Did McCain just define the litmus test he would impose and then immediately say that he wouldn’t impose a litmus test?”

But, by that point of the debate, McCain had already imploded so it wasn’t too surprising.

Comment #12: Jake Squid  on  10/16  at  12:25 PM

That’s a terrible picture of Cindy McCain, unless she was turned into a zombie recently*. Or maybe that’s the secret basis of McCain’s health care plan? Turn women into zombies, because no one, even nasty Democrats, could object to denying health care to zombies, right? He started with his wife, just to prove how committed he was to this plan.

Also, zombies eat brains, and brains tend to be found more in liberals, so he could unleash his zombie army and decimate the Democrats. It would be pretty pointless, after all, to eat the brains of most Republicans-I doubt their brains would meet zombie nutritional requirements.

* Please note that this is not an attack on Cindy McCain.

Comment #13: JPlum  on  10/16  at  03:15 PM

From here on in, ACORN, which, “... maybe destroying the fabric of democracy,” shall be known as the Tannin Menace.

Comment #14: Jake Squid  on  10/16  at  03:33 PM

It’s actually even better than JtP not being registered to vote. He is, as a Republican (surprise), but his name is listed on the voter rolls as Worzelbacher, which we are told was “just a data entry error”. Perhaps not unlike many other data entry errors that lead auditors to cry “FRAUD” over ACORNs registration lists.

Comment #15: Molly  on  10/16  at  03:41 PM

I liked how when Schaeffer asked Obama if he thought Palin was qualified, his answer was something along the lines of, “She’s a good politician.”  *snort*

Comment #16: Storm at Sea  on  10/16  at  04:01 PM

Obama and the Socialist maniacs have finally revealed their real intentions. Obama has been faking like he is some kind of moderate while all along he intends to do all he can (his vision of “Change”) to institute Socialism. Given how little we know about this man other than his radical left connections (Wright, Ayers, ACORN Group, etc.), he might just be a communist.  Obama’s Tax Plan of “Spreading your Wealth around” is a failed strategy…it has failed over and over again in history…it lowers the standard of living. Obama has declared war on the “American Dream” of being successful as reflected by the accumulation of some wealth and he has formally welcomed in the era of open class warfare against wealth in America. As a People in a Nation for the People we need to do all that is possible to stop this radical leftist movement…sign me up for the American Resistance.  The time is Now !!!!!

Comment #17: Joe  on  10/16  at  04:23 PM

Of course, Joe. Certainly no right-winger would nationalize any private institutions like, say, a bank or insurance company. Only an eeeeeeevil socialist government would buy private companies or people’s bad mortgages!

Comment #18: Sara Pulis  on  10/16  at  04:42 PM

...wait, that’s not parody?

Comment #19: Rebecca  on  10/16  at  05:50 PM

Actually, spreading the wealth through progressive taxes has worked really well for most countries.

Comment #20: Samantha Vimes  on  10/16  at  07:16 PM

Mnemosyne,

Straw man.

Comment #21: KLH  on  10/16  at  08:27 PM

It is unfortunate that the GOP has stoop this low.  I guess is TRY to win at all cost.  The damage that McCain and Sarah Palin did to the party is almost Irreparable.  It is to the point that I believe the president of the Republican party needs to put a stop to all these nonsense.  McCain should know that to succeed in war or anything you must be prepared.  Now I do not expect Sarah to know that nor understand the concept.  However, this fiasco of a camp-pain is because McCain and his staff have no ideas and plans to deal with what unraveled these past few weeks.  That also shows that there would have been no difference between a McCain presidency and Bush’s.  I know last night he told Barack that he is not President Bush and all, however what McCain failed to realized is that President Bush and Dick Cheney is a much better, compassionate, to the point, no nonsense group of individuals that happen to probably made an error in judgment about the war.  I know at this time if President Bush had 4 more years, he would have a plan to bring the troops back home.  Unlike McCain who wants “Victory” at the cost of the blood of the troops. 
I want to see the troops home.  McCain is not half the man that President Bush is.  The Republicans that support McCain are only doing it because of their loyalty to the party and not to McCain.  Frankly McCain and Sarah are an embarrassment to the party.
McCain did much better in the debate last night than in the two previous ones.  However, over the course of the day, I became very angry again.  I thought that McCain was going to refocus his cam-pain to talking about the issues, his plan for energy , the house crisis, which I am a victim, health care for the uninsured, affordable tuition for college students etc….......  THAT IS WHAT I WANT TO HEAR.  Enough of these nonsense, character assassination, mud throwing.  The fact that McCain and Sarah Palin are the only two individuals engaging in that kind of Rhetoric says a lot about who they are and what they are about which is NOTHING.  I am so sick about the whole cam-pain that i can not wait for November 5th when it is all over.  I wish that McCain will seriously look to his cam-pain manager to re-invent himself.  At this point he is working for history books and he needs to have history look upon him with kindness and not disdain.

McCain you should have listen to William Kristol and fire your entire team and replace them with college kids with fresh ideas.  you would have had a much better campaign and maybe a shot at the presidency.

A SICK & TIRED individual OF A CRUCIAL STATE

Comment #22: Coral  on  10/16  at  11:40 PM

Thank you coral you said it all, I am tired of hiring him to. He’s not a good speaker but niether is Bush but I would like to just here what they can do for our economy, My son is in college and it’s not easy for him, Im living from paycheck to paycheck and everything is going up, food,but not our paychecks if your not born rich your f#%***. God help us all!!!!!!!!!!!! The American people do whats right vote for the right one!!!!!!!!!!! Ob

Comment #23: Angel  on  10/17  at  01:05 AM

Straw man.

It’s a straw man to point out that the laws you want to pass will have serious consequences, including financial ones?

I realize conservatives are unable to look more than a couple of weeks into the future—hence the financial mess we’re in right now—but actions do have consequences, and responsible people sit down and think about how they’re going to handle those consequences before they happen.

Hope is not a plan, and free healthcare will not magically appear for all of those doomed babies that you want to eke a couple more days or weeks of breathing out of.  Clearly, you haven’t thought beyond “teh baybeez!” to what will actually happen in real life to real people if you get your way.

Comment #24: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  01:34 AM
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