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That’s why we don’t call them “pro-life”

Matt makes a useful point about how anyone who threatens to block health care reform over abortion is a lot of things, but “pro-life” ain’t one of them:

That said, it really is worth lingering on the extent to which his threat to hold health reform hostage to an abortion dispute reflects the old saw about people who believe that life begins at conception and ends at birth…...

Providing prenatal services to pregnant women is a pro-life gesture by any stretch of the imagination. As is providing health insurance to young children. As we saw the other day, uninsured children are over three times more likely to die from their trauma-related injuries than are commercially insured children, even after adjustment for other factors such as age, gender, race, injury severity and injury type.

But Nelson won’t let those lives be saved unless the bill is modified in an insulting and discriminatory way.

He also notes that the possibility that this will stop even a single abortion is little to nothing.  These things are all true, and I know that Matt is happy to simply highlight the contradictions and let his audience draw their own conclusions on whether or not the Fetus People are operating in good faith and are just stupid, or if they are operating in bad faith.  I think that when it comes to the Stupak-Pitts amendment, there’s absolutely no question that it’s bad faith.  Someone like Senator Nelson is old enough to remember when “fetal life” was a distant concern with abortion bans, if a concern at all, and that abortion was banned in the U.S. for “moral” reasons, i.e. to oppress women using sexuality as an excuse.  (No different, then, from bans on women wearing what they want or driving due to “modesty”.)  Covering abortion under general health care is offensive to people for the same reason that people reject needle exchange programs—-they are willing to sacrifice the public health to send the message that the government doesn’t coddle sinners. 

And we know this for a few reasons.  One, as Matt said, any true interest in life would express itself in support for universal health care.  Second, the only thing that this bill will do is raise the hassle and expense for women who get abortions, which puts this whole thing firmly in the “punish the sinners” category and not in the “save lives” category.  But it’s also worth pointing out that Bart Stupak and Joseph Pitts are members of the C Street Family, an evangelical cult that is firmly dedicated to the belief that women are inferior to men.  Of course they object to abortion rights, and it has nothing to do with fetuses.  There’s a reason they get all puffed up about the government paying for abortion, which they take to mean that the government is endorsing sexual liberation and women’s equality, and they cannot abide by that.  Whenever someone at a tea bagger meeting gets up and spits about how abortion isn’t health care, you have to understand that from their point of view, it isn’t.  It’s like saying lingerie and dildos are “health care” to them.  It doesn’t compute.  Abortion is , in their eyes, a strike made by women against their god-given second class roles, and the actual medical reality of it doesn’t even register. 

If you take them at their word about “life”, then yeah, the Stupak-Pitts amendment doesn’t make even an ounce of sense.  But if you see this in terms of battles over sex and women’s liberation, then their stance is surprisingly consistent, if evil.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:17 PM • (38) Comments

Listen, Nelson doesn’t give a flying fuck about abortion.  These guys are such phonies. I have no doubt the c-streeters you mention do care, and that their reasons are as you state.  Nelson is fucking liar.

He’s looking to strip the bill of the medicaid expansion.  He calls it an unfunded mandate on the states.  Meanwhile it’s the only thing in there between forcing 15 million poor people to buy insurance.  And it’s what covers 15 of the 30 millions this bill is going to “cover”.

In order to give in to Nelson on that, Reid would lose at least a couple of progressive dems.  Sanders isn’t going to go for that, he’s been through hell already, you can see it. 

So Nelson is either trying to kill the bill outright, or is looking for a bribe, along the lines of what Landrieu got.

Either way the bastard doesn’t give a shit about abortion.

Comment #1: JennyLI  on  12/18  at  05:37 PM

All of this is pretty obvious, but no one in the media dares mention a word of it, or they’ll lose their jobs…

This is gonna be my All-Rage Christmas.

Comment #2: Scott  on  12/18  at  06:02 PM

Dude, is that a fetus Christmas ornament?!

Comment #3: Blitzgal  on  12/18  at  06:08 PM

Dude, is that a fetus Christmas ornament?!

Either that or a shrimp.

Comment #4: Triplanetary  on  12/18  at  06:10 PM

Over at a gaming forum I participate in, our resident abortion kook said that because one 15-45 thousand die each year to lack of insurance and a million people die each year to abortion, that there’s no reason to support health car reform.

Yea I mean it’s 45K/Year as a result of lack of insurance.
And it’s 440K/Year as a result of smoking.
And it’s 1,370K/Year as a result of abortions.

Do you realize that every day, 115K abortions take place around the world? That sort of makes that annual 45K per year seem small doesn’t it?

What an ass.

Comment #5: Crissa  on  12/18  at  06:12 PM

If you needed to know anything more about how evil abortionists are, you need only look at the little girl fetus that was aborted via ninjabortion, using the technique of a well-placed shuriken to the developing brain.

Not that pirabotion is any better, what with all the fetal plank-walking.

Comment #6: Mighty Ponygirl  on  12/18  at  06:18 PM

@Blitzgal

Better, it’s an Adam Lambert Fetus Ornament!
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=36656730

For when you are wishing gay, glamrock children on a dear friend.

Comment #7: Angelia Sparrow  on  12/18  at  06:23 PM

Mmmm… shrimp.

Comment #8: Jeff  on  12/18  at  06:29 PM

Niiice, Ponygirl.  smile

Comment #9: Scott  on  12/18  at  06:38 PM

Crissa: 1 million people die every year from abortion!? That’s an outrageous number. Clearly, facilities that provide abortion need better-trained doctors, cleaner instruments, and overall safer conditions. 1 million people dying every year just for trying to have abortions is an absolutely unacceptable number!

Comment #10: Mighty Ponygirl  on  12/18  at  06:59 PM

Silly Mighty, women aren’t people!

Comment #11: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/18  at  07:25 PM

That creepy shrimp-parasite makes me never ever ever want to be pregnant.

Comment #12: ladybronwyn  on  12/18  at  07:49 PM

Yeah, ladybronwyn, I was surprised to see one that’s pretty accurate, aka weird and not-human-looking at all. I’ve always thought the “pro-lifers” try to create a homonculus mentality, wherein the fetus is a perfect but tiny human.

Comment #13: Samantha Vimes  on  12/18  at  08:08 PM

that fetus ornament is nowhere near as cool as the trembling silver fetus ornament from the Flaming Lips!

Comment #14: Danica Lefse Queen  on  12/18  at  08:56 PM

Samantha, I think the prevalence of 3d sonograms is educating even the hardcore fundies about basics of fetal development.

Comment #15: dcb-  on  12/18  at  08:59 PM

Do you realize that every day, 115K abortions take place around the world?

As few women get more than one abortion in their lifetimes, and assuming about 35 years from menarche to menopause, that’s over 42 million women getting abortions each year, and 1.47 Billion getting one over the course of their lifetimes—well over half the adult women on this planet. All demonstrably pro-choice. And that’s not counting the men in our corner, and the pro-choice women who didn’t make that particular choice.

I know these anti-choice jackasses think they represent some vast consensus. I also know that when they manage to believe that and cite these kinds of numbers, they’re advertising their blithering incompetence with simple arithmetic.

Comment #16: Molly, NYC  on  12/18  at  09:12 PM

Whenever someone at a tea bagger meeting gets up and spits about how abortion isn’t health care, you have to understand that from their point of view, it isn’t.

The Tea Baggers don’t think Medicare is run by the government.  Their ignorance is monumentally staggering.  They know, perhaps, two amendments to the Constitution at any given time.  Three, if they’re demanding Texas should get to secede from the Union.

At the end of the day, you’ve got a whole mess of brainwashed loons out there who honestly believe Nazi shock troops will be pounding down main street when this bill passes.  And if it does pass, and no crazy paranoid delusions come to life, they’ll be back again next week screaming about immigration and climate change.

Ben Nelson doesn’t have to be coherent.  He just has to say, “Abortion” and “No” repeatedly.

Comment #17: Zifnab  on  12/18  at  09:28 PM

“I also know that when they manage to believe that and cite these kinds of numbers, they’re advertising their blithering incompetence with simple arithmetic.”

...which they take as a point of pride.  Competence and math skills are the mark of The Liberal, and must at all times be avoided…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  12/18  at  09:38 PM

Covering abortion under general health care is offensive to people for the same reason that people reject needle exchange programs—-they are willing to sacrifice the public health to send the message that the government doesn’t coddle sinners.

(Disclaimer - this is slightly tangential.) It drives me nuts when people say they think abortion should be illegal, because I really doubt that even one tenth of the American population actually thinks that abortion should be a criminal act punished by jailtime. They just want a governmental show of disapproval. But not one so strong that they can’t get an abortion if they want one. I really wish more polls clarified that issue, because so many people use “illegal” in the nonliteral sense. Kinda like they use “believe” in the non-literal sense when talking about gay marriage (or abortion).

Comment #19: rivki  on  12/18  at  09:41 PM

So Nelson is either trying to kill the bill outright, or is looking for a bribe, along the lines of what Landrieu got.

From what I just read on HuffPo it’s the Landrieu-esque bribe as of right now, he wants exactly what she got actually, extra federal dollars to pay for Nebraska’s Medicaid program.

Which, I gotta say, isn’t at all unreasonable. It’s fucking ridiculous to expand Medicaid without lots of extra federal funding (if that’s the case in the current bill.) There’s a big bundle of states teetering on the edge of bankruptcy right now unable to pay for the social safety-net programs they already have, there is absolutely no way they can afford to fund expanded Medicaid without federal help.

Of course, if the bill already gives the states the funds for the Medicaid expansion then I have no idea what Nelson is caterwauling about.

Comment #20: jessilikewhoa  on  12/18  at  09:46 PM

Wait, didn’t Nelson try to re-insert Stupak but get shut down a little while back?  Is he trying to pull this crap again?

Comment #21: snowmentality  on  12/18  at  10:00 PM

If they were truly pro-life, they wouldn’t want to facilitate this:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/30/AR2009113004065_pf.html

Or this:
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/religiousright/2111/military_abortion_ban:_female_soldiers_not_protected_by_constitution_they_defend

But the fact is, they want to punish women for having vaginas.

Ooooo scary, slimy vaginas!

Comment #22: judybrowni  on  12/18  at  10:09 PM

#20: jessilikewhoa:

Except that in the current bills, there’s tons of financing, more than what’s already available to the states.  To pay for the expansion and some of medicare/medicaid at 90% instead of 40% like it is in Nelson’s state now.

Basically, all the new things that would be required would be paid for, for the next seven years.

Comment #23: Crissa  on  12/18  at  10:11 PM

Except that in the current bills, there’s tons of financing, more than what’s already available to the states.  To pay for the expansion and some of medicare/medicaid at 90% instead of 40% like it is in Nelson’s state now.
Basically, all the new things that would be required would be paid for, for the next seven years.
Comment #23: Crissa on 12/18 at 08:11 PM

Sweet. So Nelson is just being a D-bag for the sheer love of it. Not surprising. I’m just happy the Medicaid expansion is well funded, Illinois is broke and it won’t get better til the Madigan family vanishes and we can actually get a fucking tax hike through.

Comment #24: jessilikewhoa  on  12/18  at  10:17 PM

Wait, didn’t Nelson try to re-insert Stupak but get shut down a little while back?  Is he trying to pull this crap again?
Comment #21: snowmentality on 12/18 at 08:00 PM

Yeah, Nelson-Hatch was the Senate answer to Stupak-Pitts and it failed to pass. Nelson has basically been acting like that never happened.

Comment #25: jessilikewhoa  on  12/18  at  10:18 PM

You know, we named the fetus, which grew into my sister, Myrtle.  Because we knew there was a good chance it wasn’t going to make it.

This fall my sister entered Vassar.

I wouldn’t trade my sister for a dozen Myrtles.

Which, I suppose, is why I’m pro-choice.

Comment #26: Crissa  on  12/18  at  10:28 PM

ea I mean it’s 45K/Year as a result of lack of insurance.
And it’s 440K/Year as a result of smoking.
And it’s 1,370K/Year as a result of abortions.

Do you realize that every day, 115K abortions take place around the world? That sort of makes that annual 45K per year seem small doesn’t it?

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if you’re going to talk about the number of abortions around the world, shouldn’t you also talk about the sky-high number of people who die from lack of health care over the whole world?

Comment #27: Rebecca  on  12/18  at  10:43 PM

@19 - There used to be a comic carried in my home town paper called, “There Oughta Be a Law.”  Basically just people kvetching about whatever irritates them, and the cartoonist would crudely illustrate it.  Stuff like, there oughta be a law against stopping at the top of an escalator.  There oughta be a law against talking on your phone when it’s your turn to order at the coffee shop.  There oughta be a law against riding your bicycle in the street.  That sort of thing.  Sounded like a lot of the abortion (and gay marriage) debate.  So they don’t like it.  It irritates them. They think it’s stupid.  Maybe they even think it’s immoral.  That doesn’t mean that we should send people with guns to kill people* if they do these things.

*Which is what all of criminal law ultimately boils down to.  The penalty on the books may only be a fine, or short jail term, but the very existence of the penalty implies that the state is willing and able to escalate violence against you up to and including killing you if you resist their authority to punish you for talking on the phone at the coffee shop.

Comment #28: libdevil  on  12/18  at  11:17 PM

Rebecca (@27),
That would make way too much sense.  In other words, yes, you should.  Since when did should mean anything to these people?

Comment #29: helen w. h.  on  12/19  at  12:47 AM

On another not, the ads at the bottom of the page:
Pregnant? Scared, Unsure? 
Need to talk?  Choose Adoption Speak with a pregnancy counselor
and
Adoptions From the Heast
Pregnant? Consider Adoption. A Loving Alternative

Blah.

Comment #30: helen w. h.  on  12/19  at  12:49 AM

I hope I live to the day when I can hear politicians and activists say “life” and I can assume they mean Life and not antiabortionism.

Comment #31: Judge Moonbox  on  12/19  at  01:24 AM

Comment #27 Rebecca:

if you’re going to talk about the number of abortions around the world, shouldn’t you also talk about the sky-high number of people who die from lack of health care over the whole world?

Well, to be fair, he does say they’re apples and oranges in the next sentence.  He wouldn’t be around on the forum if he couldn’t do math.

Comment #32: Crissa  on  12/19  at  02:10 AM

So the same religious right that is promoting state sanctioned murder of gays in Uganda isn’t actually pro-life? Color me shocked.

Comment #33: Grendel72  on  12/19  at  02:57 AM

Similarly, various Catholic interest groups took a huge interest in what abortion restrictions were in the health care bill but refused to actually advocate in favor any of the health-care-improving provisions of the bill. Dana, our resident Catholic, took actual pride in the fact that the Republicans did nothing about health care reform in the 12 worthless years that they controlled congress.

Comment #34: Tyro  on  12/19  at  12:12 PM

What really infuriates me is how the MSM and blogger cheerleaders for HCR like Ezra and Nate have plenty to say about Howard Dean and the dirty hippies of Move On and how we’re holding up progress but don’t have boo to say about how fucking outrageous it is for Ben Nelson, an actual US Senator with an actual vote who can actually scuttle the bill, to threaten to vote against cloture if he can’t sniff panties. 

Very disappointed in Ezra.  He’s far too young to be shilling already.

Comment #35: DonnaDiva  on  12/19  at  04:19 PM

BTW, whatever that thing is in the photo, I want it.  Fetus tchotkes are teh cute.  One time I was working the Dem booth at a fair and the anti-choicers were next to us.  Their booth was festooned with plastic feti.  I so wanted to steal one.

Comment #36: DonnaDiva  on  12/19  at  04:23 PM

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again. If these schmucks truly believed women don’t want or need to have abortions, then the availability of said abortions wouldn’t be an issue because no one would be having them.

The entire reason they want abortions illegal or at least hard to get is because they know perfectly well women want them and need them. And that is a special kind of evil.

Comment #37: kristin  on  12/19  at  11:15 PM
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