You know how people use high-contrast photos to hide their less-attractive attributes?  I wonder if that’s related to the aesthetic of the second video.

........wow.

Ok, that second video? Totally started with a reverse Poe’s Law. Because I’ve seen a lot of atheist-made parodies that point out that, no, killing gays really is NOT “unchristian”, because it IS something that the Bible explicitly calls for, along with genocide and stoning apostates and a lot of other things that we find morally reprehensible in the modern world.

So it took me a minute to realize he was actually saying that the whole “God’s Ancient Law >> Modern Human Moral Judgment” thing was a GOOD conclusion to draw. O_O

Wait, I thought the Kill the Gays bill would allow Uganda to extradite gays who had escaped the county.  Jason was claiming they were free to leave in the second video.

And Franklin is the GA Rep. who introduced the bill to ban all abortion and investigate miscarriages as potential homicides.

Do these people think that abortion clinics are sending out vans to round up Black pregnant women, or what?  I just can’t imagine how they think we are “controlling” the black population through abortion just by offering theme the same freedom to choose that every other woman of every race has.  The nonsensical, ignorant hatred of abortion providers that these people show is entirely over the top.

The juxtaposition of the New Media format (the quick cut editing with the still pictures flying about around a talking guy, the strangely high contrast (which was in no doubt intended to look cool) and the fact that it’s a talking point boiled down to a 3 minute spiel on youtube) with saying that the death penalty for homosexuality is a-ok and relying on a book that’s a couple thousand years old for advice on how to conduct modern law would be hilarious if it wasn’t so insidious. It’s kind of the perfect example of Young Conservatives’ pathetic attempts to get down with the kids.

You know that the people in the movie “go crazy” because of the eugenicist roots of the PP movement, the fact that so many more PPs are located in black areas specifically now, and that the abortion rate among African-Americans is so much higher statistically than that of caucasians, right?  They didn’t just go nuts, they saw it as a continuation of Sanger’s efforts to keep down the population of “undesirables”, a sort of genocide.  I’m not saying it IS; I’m saying that is what the point of the story is.  And Zo is in it, so that’s pretty cool.  I don’t agree with him on abortion and various social issues, but I enjoy his stuff.  That said, the movie likely sucks so I doubt I’ll see it.

So this guy actually argued that it’s OK to execute people for being gay since we executed people for being gay in the fucking 18th century?  You could use that exact same reasoning to argue for legalizing slavery.  Does this fuckhead think we should legalize slavery?  ...You know what, don’t answer that.

“Gates of Hell” has got to be a poe. It’s too raw for the only audience receptive to its message, and too ridiculous for anyone else.

A couple of things about abortion and African Americans:

1. The abortion rate is higher among AA women but the birthrate is also higher (http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/births_deaths_marriages_divorces.html), which causes me to deduce that the rate of pregnancy, intended and otherwise, is just higher in that population.  I don’t know how you can blame abortion providers or Planned Parenthood for this, especially since PP is often the only source of pregnancy prevention available to low income people, including many AA women.

2. About PPs being in largely AA areas, I don’t really know the numbers on how true that is.  I wouldn’t be surprised though, since PP is a non-profit and highly motivated by its mission to keep costs very low so that they can serve as many people as possible at as affordable a rate as possible, they are likely to choose to rent or buy inexpensive spaces.

You’ll see that both of the above points are really about economic factors, not race so much.

Also, does anyone else think this guy sounds exactly like Glenn Beck?

There’s more than one anti-abortion slasher fic out there:
http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ssf/2011/06/pro-life_horror_film_the_life.html

That “movie” trailer is some wacked out shit. Seriously.

Crissa @12 -

Yeah, that movie was the first thing that came to mind when I read this post as well. But the article you linked to explaining the plot makes it sound even worse than the trailer makes it look. I think I need a shower after reading that. :/

@9: It’s too raw for the only audience receptive to its message

I think you’d be surprised. Not every fundie is some straitlaced grandmother who sits in a rocking chair knitting socks. (Not that there’s anything wrong with grandmothers, rocking chairs, or knitting socks.) There are a lot of very “edgy” conservatives who are very much into the raw imagery and the violence because they think they, as conservatives, are big fucking manly men who can deal with reality and they dream of proving their manliness by stepping on gay people’s faces and such. Or something.

But I mean, just look at Insane Clown Posse for an example of this. They’re pretty “raw,” but they’re also dumbfuck conservatives.

Also, PP clinics are often in urban areas because they serve people from a wide range of economic backgrounds, and it is a lot easier for a car-owner from the suburbs to get to an urban clinic than it is for an inner-city resident to get to a suburban clinic that is not on a bus line.

Anon @ 7,

I’m not saying it IS

Good, but just in case you are saying that it was (the eugenicist roots of the PP movement, a continuation of Sanger’s efforts to keep down the population of “undesirables”, a sort of genocide.), let’s correct the propaganda (pdf), shall we?

One more thing. In order to “go crazy” because of the fact that so many more PPs are located in black areas specifically now, and that the abortion rate among African-Americans is so much higher statistically than that of caucasians one has to believe that black people are incapable of figuring out their own self interest and making their own medical decisions.

I hope there’s no need to point out what a despicably flawed belief that is.

But I mean, just look at Insane Clown Posse for an example of this.

I just did, and thanks for the recommendation. How unbelievably hilarious.

ema; I was explaining the rationale behind the movie, not asserting that I agreed with it.  I’m aware that correlation is not causation; there may be a link or there may not; there’s no evidence proving there is one.  As to Sanger, thanks but I’ve read her own writings on the subject; it’s pretty clear what she believed.  Such as her stern and rigid policy of segregation and sterilization for tainted bloodlines.  She was far from the only eugenics proponent in the states - her activities weren’t nearly as threatening as the doctors who were busy doing actual sterilizations on, for example, mentally incapacitated girls and women.  It isn’t unusual for her to believe what she did.  *shrug* - as I say I was relating the point of the movie, not espousing it. 

GumbyAnn, as I said above, I am not asserting a link; that’s one thing that gets glossed over in their interpretation of eugenics - clinics - black abortion rates = genocide.  The actual connections are never specific, so far as I can tell.  But it’s not some racist misogynist attack - the people who see a connection really believe there is one.  It isn’t like you can argue and ask for an explanation lol.  Doesn’t get you very far.  If they ever explain it I hope I catch it, as I’ve wondered too.

ema; I was explaining the rationale behind the movie, not asserting that I agreed with it. 

Yes, we understand that you’re playing our Faux Voice of Moderation Troll for the moment. But Jesse and most of the visitors here are well aware of what the general anti-choice rationale is, and the movie is really just a lot of “same old” in that regard. Even the racist element is nothing new when it comes to anti-choice rhetoric. Sexist people very often turn out to be racist, classist, and many other ists, too. Bigotry rarely confines itself to one category.

it’s not some racist misogynist attack

No, it’s all just a coincidence. Nothing to see here, people! Move along! Remember, the official line is that racism and sexism are over, there shall be no official acknowledgments of the existence of such.

In other words,

“SHUT UP,” Anonymouse explained.

I look forward to conservatives’ other efforts to police other organizations because of the now-objectionable beliefs of their founders.

For instance, this Lincoln guy who was heavily involved in the early Republican Party seems believed some quite reprehensible things.

“Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”

Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/abrahamlin395631.html#ixzz1Oh1PjMga

Falyne at #2, I had the same reaction.  For about a full minute, my brain was just refusing to process that he was speaking in *favor* of the law rather than criticizing the Bible and Founding Fathers.

Does anybody else think they’re actively hoping their movie will ‘inspire’ the black community toward anti-abortion violence? You know, the way hip hop brainwashes people into wanting to kill cops?

Of course that won’t actually happen, because black people are human beings capable of rational and moral thought and not mindless “gangstas” you can set off like an attack dog. But I can’t help thinking that’s the mindset behind this.

But it’s not some racist misogynist attack - the people who see a connection really believe there is one.

There are people who sincerely believe that the earth is flat, too; that doesn’t make it true. 

Of course, anyone who did a little digging would find out that Margaret Sanger and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. were allies, not enemies.  But hey, why find out the truth when the “OMG! Planned Parenthood is trying to wipe out black people!” lie is so much more exciting?

Plus, the economy of abortion is not one in which people make their decision based on where the clinics are.  The vast majority of people don’t even know where the nearest abortion clinic is until they decide they want an abortion, then they have to figure out where the (usually just one) clinic that serves their area is located and what they need to do to get there.  Whether it is down the block or 6 hours away, there is not usually a lot of shopping around between clinics and for 99% of people, there is a prenatal care clinic that is much closer and easier to access. If people made their decisions about whether to terminate by just stumbling into the nearest clinic and seeking care there, barely anybody would ever have an abortion.

Action figures of illegal-abortion terrorists?  Hey, why stop there?  Why not sell figures of the real-life arsonists and assassins who are, indeed, now beyond the gates of Hell?

Maybe because they’re all white, and almost all males?

This isn’t a fundie movie. It looks more like anti-American European leftist conspiracy theorists.

...“the fact that so many more PPs are located in black areas specifically now,”

Is that actually a fact? Hilarious…some anti-black racist’s fantasy of getting black people to do their dirty work.

“Does anybody else think they’re actively hoping their movie will ‘inspire’ the black community toward anti-abortion violence?”

Yes.

“Of course that won’t actually happen”

No, it won’t.

http://www.alamogordonews.com/ci_18196356?source=most_viewed

http://newmexicoindependent.com/70368/greg-fultz-taken-to-court-over-alamagordo-abortion-billboard-domestic-violence-charge

Ugh, in other abortion related news some douch-wibbler decided to pay $1,000+ to put up a billboard of himself holding a silhouette of a baby with the caption, “This Would Have Been a Picture Of My 2-Month Old Baby If The Mother Had Decided To NOT KILL Our Child!.” He said in his original billboard that it was sponsored by N.A.N.I which is an acronym for his ex-gilfriends first name. Co-sponsor was Right to Life but they had it removed after it gained controversy..

This Molotov dude is terrifying the way he’s like “I’m just a reasonable young antiracist yo! I love the hip hop music.”

I about hit my head on my desk when, after one of the most horrendously, joyously homophobic rants this side of Fred Phelps he got to the classic “Nazi Germany or other socialist regimes”...THUNK.

Oh my fucking gawd! Those two clips were insanely inhumane and full of shit! Our founding fathers also owned slaves so I guess that makes slavery A-okay? I hate how he used Martin Luther King to support stoning homosexuals to death. It IS like Nazi Germany and/or Saudi Arabia. Well now I can go around and say that Christianity is FOR stoning to death of people.  Just goes to show you they dont displike the Muslims because they really believe them to be inherent terrorists but that theyre competition being the second largest religion. Otherwise they’d have no problem with the muslims since they think the same way. Not to mention but it doesnt say that homosexuals are to be stoned to death but that ‘death will come to them’ as in nature will kill them not people. This douch has a very Osama Bin Ladenish interpretation of the Bible. This is why theyre talibangelicals. Also it was incredibly racist to say that this is inherent to Ugandan culture (so primitive actions are only a Black thing) and how opposing stoning to death of people is opposing multi-culturalism. I hope that douch doesnt get pissed when Egypt kills its coptic christians since remember….its multi-culturalism.

No one ever mentions that in Sanger’s time, eugenics was the only way to prevent heritable diseases.  They couldn’t test for genetic markers, and childbirth was still dangerous.

Of course, today we can test for many of them, and people can (and usually do) choose to avoid triggering Tay-Sachs or sickle-cell or any of dozens of possibilities either utilizing adoption, abortion, gene therapy, or many things which were fantasy (or at least science-fiction) at the time.

It makes sense that views would change over time as we develop new medical tools.

(eye roll) Ooooh what a surprise anti-choicers make a pro-terrorist movie idolizing a man (who is Black) killing abortion providers so Black women can now be forced to have back-alley abortions. If this was such a case why arent they just saying ‘lets ban abortion only for Black women?’ Also during the slave days they used to force women to be pregnant against their will to increase the slave population and women would take herbal abortifients (which today many have been found to be toxic as well) to induce abortion from the rapes and forced breedings that the slave masters forced on them. So lets see sounds more like they align with the slave masters than the slaves. So it would seem that opposing forced sterilization and forced birth would leave us at…..pro-choice!

the fact that so many more PPs are located in black areas specifically now

But I’m sure that has nothing at all to do with income, and the fact that African Americans are poorer on average than Caucasians, and that if you are low income you are more likely to need a clinic with a sliding fee scale than a schmancy private doc.

(Also, just for the record, this is definitely not true of PP in my region. The distribution of facilities here is pretty independent of neighborhood racial composition/income. There’s a PP in the snazzy yuppie neighborhood, one in a neighborhood that’s basically a war zone, one in the suburb that has an IKEA, one in the neighborhood that is solidly working-class Polish and Ukrainian and Mexican…there’s basically one everywhere there are people with uteri.)

#7 Are you serious anonymouse? Sanger wasnt a racial eugenists, check the NYU web page and check it out, they have a whole department about her. And who the fuck is zo? I mean it seems you really bought into their shit or something? I also dont think the difference between black and white abortions is really a huge difference. A anti-choice blogger once put up their own stats and there was only a 1% difference. Not to mention but eugenics is also forcing women to be pregnant not simply to not have babies. For example in Nazi Germany germans were forced to be pregnant because they were desired while Jews were forced to have abortions. In other cases such as slavery Black women were often forced to be pregnant because they wanted more slaves. Thats why we have choice.

“There are people who sincerely believe that the earth is flat, too; that doesn’t make it true.”

I’m not sure how many times I have to say I don’t agree with them, and they haven’t explained it anyway.  As to Sanger, I said I wasn’t threatened by her activities; eugenics was a lot bigger than her and it was very broad at the time.  So I think that’s about enough having to clarify.

#16 Right gumbyanne it is ususally for other reasons and they never address the underlining issues such as affordable birth control, poverty, sex ed or anything else. They simply want to push their religious inhumane dogma down everyones throats using race myths as a convenient cover for their hypocritical theocratical bullshit. Anyone can go to some “pro-life” organizations website and see that right next to these bullshit myths theres a page about the worrying rates of “minority” births or non-Christian births or homosexual rights off to the side right next to it. Theyre simply sloshing around race because it serves their short-term but only a severe idiot would think the Right would care one wit about racial injustice. There is so much evidence to the contrary!

#37 but she wasnt a racial eugenitist. theres a difference between being a eugenist and being a racial eugenist.  The catholic church did support racial eugenics as did a number of others and the kkk is a christian organization! So perhaps all these talibangelicals should be considered racial eugenists because theyre all christians? Thats the same bullshit theyre using so they have to play by their own rules, well then I guess that makes them racial eugenists.

I was explaining the rationale behind the movie, not asserting that I agreed with it.  I’m aware that correlation is not causation; there may be a link or there may not; there’s no evidence proving there is one.

Understood, you don’t agree with the rationale behind the movie and are uncommitted on the link between the alleged facts. My point is there’s no rationale and no facts.

#19, And ananymouse it IS a racist misogynistic attack. Its just a BS cover story to serve their short end goals. Opposing racial eugenics would lead to pro-choice not pro-forced birth which is what slave women had forced on them. Its insinuating Black women are stupid and so therefore they take away all abortion for everyone. If they really cared about stopping this “genocide” they’d simply try to clean up the injustice not take abortion away or simply aim to make it illegal for a Black woman to have an abortion.

#24 NicoleG,
Thats why they make the protaganist a male. He has to use violence to assert his way over these silly stupid women who make choices that arent his.

#27 I find it a bit hard to think that all the terrorists were white? You have a heavy Black Baptist population and I think if anything you have to look beyond whats been recorded, ie, boyfriends trying to keep her from going to the clinic, harassing women at clinics, ect.

Well I just disagree on that, Bean.  That’s not the people I’ve known.  If it turns out to be true, I’ll be disappointed, as Zo isn’t the type to participate in that.  Jeez, I’m not going to have to watch this thing, am I?  It better be better than it sounds.

“Zo” is a typical Tea Party moron.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/author/arachel/

Also isnt Weiner in trouble for sexually harassing women? It wasnt because he ‘just sent dirty pictures of his junk and had dirty chats.’  He def acted like a skeeve. I’m a Democrat but I dont like how just because he’s a Dem its not being covered appropriately by feminists. To me its feminist principles above partisan politics.

Anonymouse,
I dont get it; thats not the people youve known? Who are you talking about? You seriously think its going to be good? Also no one is making you watch it. It sounds like you actually think its a good movie.

Ugh thanks triplanetary, the guy is a Jesus freak!

“Also isnt Weiner in trouble for sexually harassing women?”

I don’t think so.