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The cellular telephone assault on fiction

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Update, to make it interesting: Can you think of movies/books/TV shows where there were obvious technology fails in the plot?  Or, conversely, what movies/books/TV shows would be completely ruined by being set a little later in history, when the characters would absolutely have things like cell phones and email?  No cheating with medieval stuff! 

Spoilers galore.

Years ago, I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about how disconcerting it can be to watch mid-century caper films, because there are routine situations in them where the introduction of the cell phone would clear up the problem creating all the tension.  Of course, they didn’t have cell phones back then, but that was the point—-they’ve become so ubiquitous that the idea of not having one is becoming hard to imagine.  It was something that came to mind for me recently when something quite unusual happened on “True Blood”.  We’re only on season two of the wretchedly sick but deliciously campy horror series, and I think this was the first time I saw a character in these supposedly modern times actually do something most of us do all the time—-receive a communication of some sort on a cell phone.  And of course, it wasn’t actually a communication of any real sort—-Sam the shapeshifting dude gets a call from his restaurant Merlotte’s and it’s a hang up. 

It brought home something about the show that drives me bananas.  Oh, it’s not the fact that vampires, shapeshifters, telepaths, and demon goddesses all are drawn to this tiny little Louisiana town.  Frankly, I can’t think of a better place to get into supernatural mischief than Louisiana, which was practically made for it with its combination of swamps and tolerance for eccentricity.  Nor is it that Sookie is one of those Mary Sue characters, because Anna Paquin plays her with enough knowingness that I find myself not especially perturbed by the obvious wish fulfillment aspects of a character that every sexy male vampire seems to fall in love with at first sight for no particular reason.  I can overlook a lot in a show that doesn’t take itself too seriously, and “True Blood” absolutely does not.

But man, the lack of communication on that show!  It’s clearly set in present times—-the first book came out in 2001—-and yet no one seems to think to make a fucking phone call, much less send off an email.  I’ve been to Louisiana.  They may be different from the rest of the country in many ways, but they enjoy the use of modern technologies just as much as the rest of us.  But the characters on this show carry on like it’s some huge burden to pull your phone out of your pocket and make a phone call.  For instance, even though we know for a fact that Sam has a phone, he never stops to call Sookie for help or advice when he finds himself targeted for abuse by Marianne.  Even though, if that happened to me, the first thing I’d think is, “Who do I know that might also be a ‘supernatural’ that is impervious to Marianne’s spells, and also has a bunch of badass vampire friends who can kick some serious ass and are probably the only people I can think of to take on a demon goddess?”  She may not be able to help, but it’s not like the cost of asking is that high.  Maybe Sam is watching his minutes, but even so, I’d say spending a few on saving your own life is well worth, especially if you have a bunch of rollover minutes in the bank.  Or what about all the angst Tara has about whether or not to let Marianne & Co. stay at Sookie’s place.  Perhaps you could ask her?  She’s in Dallas, not on the moon.  They have cell phone towers in Dallas.  Or what about Jason Stackhouse disappearing and not telling anyone?  I know Sookie’s head is deep in Bill’s ass, but maybe she could check up on her brother through his Facebook status?  I accept the whole thing where Sookie is kidnapped and trying to reach that other telepath, because you would have your cellphone stripped from you in that situation.  (In fact, if I were the director, I would have made a point of showing the kidnappers frisk the victims and take their phones.)  But a lot of the time, it just doesn’t make sense.  The plot developments on the show rely far too much on a lack of communication that doesn’t make much sense in the 21st century.

This really is an ongoing problem for storytellers in our modern era.  For literary novelists, it’s not really a big deal—-there’s an allergy in anything with literary aspirations to using cheap plot devices like lack of communication to create tension—-but for people making popcorn entertainment, this problem is huge.  You don’t really think about how much lack of information and communication is the fallback technique until you see it shoehorned into a narrative illogically.  I love Harry Potter, but that was the biggest flaw in the books.  JK Rowling created tension by depriving the main characters of information by having the adults talk down to them.  It made sense initially, but after the kids single-handedly win a couple of big battles, you’d expect realistically that the adults start at least coming clean with them.  I will say that Rowling neatly sidestepped the cell phone problem by making the wizard characters ignorant of Muggle technologies, so that even if they would see the benefit in something like cell phones, it’s unlikely they would have the chance to learn about them. 

I’m continually fascinated by the ways that writers of popcorn entertainment find ways to get around the problem of instant communication and information, when so much of what drives their plots is lack of information.  “Lost” was smart in that the writers decided that the way to get around a world full of previously unthinkable modern convenience is to put characters in a situation where they’re completely deprived of it.  But you can’t do that on every show.  The writers on “Angel” knew that this was going to be an issue for them, and they hung a lampshade on it, by having Angel mutter darkly all the time about how much he hated cell phones.  I’ve seen phones cut out on TV shows and characters deliberately refuse to answer.  And in a brilliant move that just goes to show why David Simon is the shit, “The Wire” had a plot where the use of cell phones was the reason that the main characters were deprived of the information they needed, because the cell phones were being used to avoid a wire tap. 

And then sometimes they just ignore the issue altogether, and the writers on “True Blood” are the worst offenders.  I’m sure the justification is that the show is set in a kooky world to begin with, but I don’t accept that excuse.  The whole point of shows like that is to juxtapose the supernatural elements with the known world.  In fact, that’s what makes “True Blood” so fun.  Vampires are out because of advanced technology that makes them able to live without feeding on people, and their struggle is overtly analogized to the gay rights struggle.  Their world is full of HDTVs, innovative drug use, internet pornography (Lafayette makes money web-camming), and even the fundamentalist Christian church has all the markers of the modern day tech-happy megachurch.  But even though we know the characters have cell phones that they use when it’s plot convenient, they somehow seem to forget they have them when the plot needs them to not be communicating.  From what I understand, the show follows the books very closely, so it seems the original sinner in this regard is Charlaine Harris.  I imagine in genre fiction on paper, it perhaps doesn’t seem that strange to have characters not pick up a phone and call when they absolutely would in real life.  (Though even there, I’m going to say it’s a stretch.)  But on TV, it’s absolutely jarring and I wish they would do something about it. 

I will say this—-you hear over and over again from aficionados of genre narratives that they are absolutely the same thing as literary fiction and that making distinctions between the two is elitist.  And I’m often inclined to agree.  You see genre fiction that rises to the level of literary fiction, as I believe “The Wire” did, and you see overtly artistic works borrow heavily from genre tropes.  But in our era of heavy duty information overload, I think genre writers on all levels really have an opportunity to blur the distinctions by accepting that the same old plots that rely heavily on not knowing critical information just don’t work any more.  This burden can be reconstructed as an opportunity to start coming up with new plot devices that rely much less on cliche. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:31 PM • (114) Comments

This is OT, perhaps, but I thought TB was going to be great from the moment I saw the still photography and heard the music for the opening credits. And the show itself completely lost me because of its cheesy, faux gothic quality.  I like the books a bit, not enough to read them but I like the plot/world building of the series. But I really think the show doesn’t live up to the promise of the hard edged misery of the first opening cuts.

aimai

Comment #1: aimai  on  07/30  at  05:50 PM

I love it for its cheesiness.  If it took itself too seriously, it would be no fun at all.  It’s like the anti-Twilight.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/30  at  05:55 PM

I thought the lack of phones/communication is more a character issue - that they all keep secrets from eachother and won’t share their problems because they’re ashamed of them or trying to be protective of their friends, and this is what causes or exacerbates all their problems.

What I find more annoying is their repeatedly forgetting that Sookie can READ MINDS (and supposedly has difficulty stopping), and yet in countless situations where this would be an obvious move they don’t even make a pretense of her doing it, even with a narrative dodge like hearing odd, but non-guilt-implicating surface thoughts, or purposefully blocking….bah

I still freakin’ love it though.

The fake news report on the Blueray version of Season One is hysterical too.

Comment #3: Gavel Down  on  07/30  at  06:02 PM

In the books the relative finances of the key players helps explain away some of the lack of cell phones.  Charlaine actually mentions her lack of cell phones in one of the books.  Sookie needs a new roof, driveway, can’t afford cable, has a car that looks like it was welded from several formerly discreet cars, etc.  She doesn’t get a cell phone until her financial situation improves a bit by the 4th book.  She really was barely scraping by in the books, and the show didn’t spend a lot of time on her financial issues.  It doesn’t make for good TV.

Then again, if Tara (from the TB universe, not the novels) can afford a phone, Sookie can afford a phone.

The show is relatively faithful to the books, up until this season.  Even then, it seems they get to the same place but through wildly divergent means.  Since the books are told from Sookie’s perspective only, there there is a lot of narrative space to fill in TV format.  Though, it seems they are skipping over some parts and condensing others.  For instance, we didn’t meet Crystal or venture into Hotshot until book 4.  Allan Ball also says we’re about to find out about Sookie’s lineage soon, facts that aren’t really hinted at until book 6 or spelled out until book 8.  Also, that lineage may have something to do with why the vamps seem to fall for her at first sight.

Comment #4: Swedgin  on  07/30  at  06:06 PM

There was an episode of the anime Detective Conan, which involved the hero realizing that a popular myster writer’s plots still depend on a world without cell-phones. I was in Japan in 2000/2001 for my junior year abroad. Cell-phones were really popular even the elementary school kids had one. Ten years latter, they are even more popular with Japanese cell-phones having better video game functions than anything outside of Japan.

  Generally, popcorn fiction creators are skitting around the issue of cellphones and other modern communication technologies because they would make problems to easy to solve. Did the protagonists just witness a murder, call 9/11. Did the car break down on a rainy night in the boonies, call the AAA. Need someone to talk to because of a very bad experience, comfort from a friend or family member is closer than ever. The creators will have to keep coming up with reasons why there isn’t a simple solution to the problem.

Comment #5: Lee  on  07/30  at  06:06 PM

Not to make it a bash Lady Gaga day—-I like her, I do!—-but I have to point out “Telephone” was automatically out of date.  That dude annoying her would be just texting a lot if she’s in the club.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/30  at  06:07 PM

I wouldn’t say that TB follows the Harris books “very closely”.  As far as I can tell (because I don’t watch the show much and when I do the editing makes it difficult to follow unless you have) it shares some characters (although I found many of the characters difficult to recognize - it took me some time to figure out that the over-the-top, bloodthirsty, practically gonzo TB boss vamp was Eric Northman, the chilly strategist of the books…) and a smattering of plotlines, tho it seems to diverge from as often as it adheres to them.  I would say that it really has to be considered a seperate property from the paper version.

And I would put the books squarely in the “genre” fiction pigeonhole.  They are beach reading, entertaining, but with way too much implausible character behavior and creaky plot devices to distinguish themselves from the paperback masses.

As for technology, I don’t recall Harris specifically avoiding the issue, but I also don’t recall her using the cells much, at least in the early couple of novels.  One possibility is that they were written in the late Nineties and early Oughts, when rural LA might not have had a lot of cell coverage.  But surely NO would have, so…

Comment #7: FDChief  on  07/30  at  06:10 PM

A couple years ago, I might buy that a waitress can’t afford a cell phone, but nowadays, it’s the first thing someone gets with any money at all.  They’re cheap and basically a necessity—-they’ve replaced land lines, especially for the poor.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/30  at  06:10 PM

The most recent episode of season 3 rectified this. The vamp who is playing mind games with Tara used her phone to send text messages back to Lafayette, using the cell phone for disinformation. They also had a brutal break up over the phone bit a few episodes back. So someone on the writing staff noticed that hey, everyone has cell phones! Why not use them?

Strangely enough Doctor Who has been using cell phones smartly since the new series began, where the Doctor basically turns his companion’s phones into super phones that can call through time and space. The Doctor even has his own magic phone, the Psychic paper, that he receives messages on form time to time.

The Harry Potter books take place in the late 90s, before cell phones became as ubiquitous as they are today, which severely changes the plot if they were updated. No need for ridiculous letters sent by owl or communicating by sticking your head in a fireplace. Imagine if Harry had given Sirius a mobile phone in book 3? They’d have been able to communicate faster and more often, in ways the Wizarding world wouldn’t be able to track because technology baffles them so.

Comment #9: Keith  on  07/30  at  06:12 PM

Lee, I get that—-that would be the point of my post—-but my point is strong.  Writers have been able to handle other technological innovations.  911 and AAA haven’t been around forever, but writers learned to incorporate them.  Telephones and fax machines, same thing.  In fact, the whole situation with Sam and the dead body in the freezer is a really good example of how to write with the assumption of these things.  He goes to hide the body (typical of his character), rethinks it (same), calls 911 but it’s too late!  Someone else called first!  Da da dum!

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/30  at  06:15 PM

One of the funniest/creepy scenes in this season involves Franklin pretending to be Tara texting Lafayette….Lafayette is one of the most “wired” characters.

Comment #11: louC  on  07/30  at  06:18 PM

CSI habitually comes up with brilliant technological analysis in one episode and then fails to use it in the next episode. Although that show has bigger plot problems like explaining why a woman who was put on probation, tortured in the line of duty, burnt out, and finally lectured on her sex life would want to come back to the same job. And how many crime dramas still use the “keep him on the phone so we can trace the call” device?

The BBC spy drama Spooks/MI-5 strikes me as a great show for handling cell phones although it too often falls into the trap of giving Malcolm a magic decoder. The FBI reportedly just gave up on trying to hack a money-launderer’s hard drive after three years of attacks on the cryptography.

Comment #12: CBrachyrhynchos  on  07/30  at  06:22 PM

I also get that cell phones may be one of the first purchases one makes with a bit of money, but were I in a Bon Temps-sized town and experiencing Sookie’s financial hardships I might make the same call to not have one.  She’ll spend 95% of her life in one of 3 places: home, Merlotte’s or Bill’s.  And her house’s land line has likely been the same number for a generation or two.  If you need to scrape by and don’t have a lot of places to go (and don’t need privacy since you live alone), then not having a cell phone even today doesn’t seem far-fetched.

Comment #13: Swedgin  on  07/30  at  06:23 PM

Many people I know find it odd that my partner and I don’t have a cell phone between the two of us! We did have one briefly but never used it.

While I do know many people without cell phones for one reason or another, I know far more people who have them. Including several who have a cell phone and no land line.

The lack of cell phones is probably a result of lazy writing. The writers are following an outdated set of rules without thinking if they still make sense or not.

Comment #14: Pope Thorn Iv  on  07/30  at  06:24 PM

Also, True Blood *is* the anti-twilight.  Where Twilight celebrates chastity and purity, the Sookie universe celebrates hedonism.  And Sookie has a body count that rivals any Corleone.

Comment #15: Swedgin  on  07/30  at  06:28 PM

You’re absolutely right.  Any genre fiction with a current setting has no excuse for any plot point that involves any lack of information or inability to communicate.  If monsters are real in the story universe, for example, there’s sure to be a network of people who know about them and have shared everything they know with each other, which should be pretty damn near everything there is to know about said monsters.  If one of them abruptly stops updating/tweeting/whatever, one of the others should notify law enforcement or something.  Creators just need to deal with it and figure out how to tell stories that account for the technological realities.

Comment #16: curtp  on  07/30  at  06:29 PM

I like True Blood but the phone thing didn’t seem egregious when I was watching it. The Shield made intelligent use of mobile phones.

Comment #17: pharmakos  on  07/30  at  06:29 PM

Swedgin has a good point about many of the characters not affording cells.  One of the enjoyable parts of Harris’ stuff is her understanding and depiction of life as a supernatural waitress in a little town.  It’s not just limos and Bijan, y’know…

Comment #18: FDChief  on  07/30  at  06:29 PM

I’ve been watching Hill Street Blues on Netflix (unfortunately apparently only the first two seasons were ever released; *sob*), and a huge amount of communication takes place on phones, and there’s always a certain amount of running around that has to happen because they’re all land lines/pay phones. I’ve also been working my way through the Inspector Morse shows from the BBC, and the current one has someone using a portable phone—and it’s the size of a brick, the way the first ones were.

Never seen True Blood and have no intention of doing so, but I know what you mean about those stupid plots. I really really hate it when something is going on because of a lack of communication that simply would not occur IRL.

Comment #19: Narya  on  07/30  at  06:30 PM

@16: I don’t necessarily buy that premise because recent history is filled with examples where communication failed for entirely human reasons rather than technological ones.

Comment #20: CBrachyrhynchos  on  07/30  at  06:38 PM

curt, what’s funny about that is True Blood is very cutting edge in that sense—-technological innovation has permanently changed the vampire/human relationship, and the show documents the fallout.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/30  at  06:42 PM

I can’t remember who originally pointed out to me that every single Seinfeld episode, ever, would be about 3 minutes long if they were plotted in the time of cell phones.

George: Oh no, we are in a crazy situation!
Jerry: Let’s just call Elaine.

The day is saved.

Comment #22: Sarah TX  on  07/30  at  06:49 PM

More boxsets on my to-get list, I guess (I’m ALWAYS late to buzzworthy serial tv—Lost, Galactica, MadMen, you name it). 

As an example of getting it right, though, here’s James Wolcott on Richard Stark’s later Parker novels:

The newest, “Ask the Parrot,” is the sequel to the ominously titled “Nobody Runs Forever” (2004), a cliffhanger that left Parker fleeing police tracker dogs after an armored-car holdup went blooey. What Parker and his crew hadn’t calibrated was how the war on terror had shaved the margin of error. They reckoned they had exit time to spare after the heist. Instead, “law enforcement in recent years had come to expect an attack from somewhere outside the United States, that could hit anywhere at any time and strike any kind of target, and they’d geared up for it.” Worse, the integration of law-enforcement data collecting meant that once your alias and mug shot were tapped into the system, no set of stolen license plates or fake ID was foolproof. Hiding became harder, every move easier to trace.

Comment #23: curtp  on  07/30  at  06:52 PM

Yeah, I think it’s writers slowly having to come to terms that some of the standard plots and standard cliches just don’t work that well in the modern setting.

Of course, I just think that’s a waste because there is so much interesting things that could be done. Like take the supernatural romance genre.

The creation of inter-vitality dating sites, forums for supernatural creatures, internet group meetup of supernatural creatures coming to Town X, because it’s the closest for a bunch revealing a previously hermited creature, Character X reading up online about safe sex tips for being cuddly or more intimate with undead or supernatural honey, online blood trade, supernatural hate group meetups, supernatural or lover of supernatural group tracked down by facebook (including a nifty addition to the “creepy bad guy at the door” scene where he just shakes the iPhone with the incriminating site in front of the main character going “silly, stupid X”), mystery opening because someone did call something on a cell phone, but the message is weird and because it’s a cell phone, the directions are kinda vague, tracking down the bad guy on google maps for your failed ambush attempt, etc…

But I think we’ll have to wait as the lazier writers get more used to the world’s effect on the narrative and adjusts to it. I imagine popcorn fiction of the time had similar angry responses to the effect the invention of the telephone had to their fictions and the response was delayed for awhile.

Or you’ll just see the same solution given as with the telephone. Quick shots or scenes of the phone running out of batteries or being out of network so as to justify why they don’t call for help. Same with the “lines being cut” excuse that was invented to deal with land lines.

Comment #24: Cerberus  on  07/30  at  06:58 PM

As a writer on a television show I can say this comes up a lot in the room, especially when characters are in danger and the logical thing is to whip out your cell phone and call for help. It got to the point where one of our exec producers, who’s been in the business for over 30 years, was lamenting the days when we wouldn’t have had that problem. He fucked hated how easy it was now to call for help.

So we’d sit there and come up with reasons/excuses the characters either don’t have their cell phones (got them taken away, forgot them) or just don’t use them (pissed at other character, etc) or that old chestnut, they’re so far outside the city they can’t get a signal.

And there were many a times where you’d see a character calling but then the other person just wouldn’t answer their phone for no good goddamn reason. Trust me, it takes up a good hour of your time trying to find a way to keep the character(s) in danger/tension without such an easy means of getting them out and it’s mostly out of laziness cause you need the danger and trying to come up with a different situation takes up way more time than just ‘Let’s say the cell phone doesn’t work.”  wink

Comment #25: UltraMagnus  on  07/30  at  06:58 PM

The lack of cell phones in the Sookie Stackhouse books, and the misunderstanding of computers, I found glaring and distracting.  I attributed it to the author’s lack of familiarity with cellphones and computers.  I think the current season of True Blood feels much more current, as people do have cell phones but the writers still find a way to prevent communication

Comment #26: Roethke  on  07/30  at  07:08 PM

This post reminds me of Rich FourFour’s compilation of people in horror movies having trouble with their cell phones.

Comment #27: ryang  on  07/30  at  07:09 PM

Of course, my spouse manages to always kill her celphone right before she needs to call me because she’s going to be late.

Does she think to borrow someone else’s?  Heck no.  Bah.

Of course, on the other hand, while my celphone has always worked when I was in trouble, a good long portion of its life seems to be spent outside cell reception.

Comment #28: Crissa  on  07/30  at  07:18 PM

Can you think of movies/books/TV shows where there were obvious technology fails in the plot?  Or, conversely, what movies/books/TV shows would be completely ruined by being set a little later in history, when the characters would absolutely have things like cell phones and email?

The movie Memento.  Polaroids?  Pay phones?  What are those?

Seriously, now everything would either be video or texted—the protagonist would have so much more information.

Comment #29: Mike the Mad Biologist  on  07/30  at  07:18 PM

What solutions do you come up with, UltraMagnus?  The “paradigm shift” that it seems to me needs to occur is: just getting in touch with someone is seldom enough to resolve a situation.  Maybe they don’t believe you.  Maybe they have a crisis of their own to deal with just then and can’t help.  Maybe their arrival only complicates or escalates the situation, or creates whole new problems.  Maybe something crucial changes just before they get there.  The natural expectation is that if someone’s house looks like it’s been broken into, they should whip out their cell and dial 911.  But wasn’t there a news item fairly recently about a woman getting TAZED by the cops who came to investigate after she did just that?

Comment #30: curtp  on  07/30  at  07:18 PM

I’ve found the universe depicted in the show and the universe depicted in the books are ever so slightly different—in the books, Sookie not having a cell phone for a long time does make sense, but her poverty isn’t as overt on screen.  Part of it being, of course, that it wouldn’t be very aesthetic.

I’ve found the show does use cell phones well sometimes, it’s just very hit and miss.  Much the way their vampires are sometimes stuck in the past, sometimes very progressive, and usually a combination of the two.  Jessica, for instance, uses her phone regularly, since she’s a very modern type of girl.  Eric, who adapts well to the modern world, uses his phone whenever he doesn’t have a reason to avoid it.  Bill, who claims to hate the little keyboards on cell phones, gets scenes where he struggles with the modern world—he’s one of the vampires who acts much like his human self, down to some old-fashioned standards and mannerisms, of course, so that makes sense.

Comment #31: fluffster  on  07/30  at  07:19 PM

“I can’t remember who originally pointed out to me that every single Seinfeld episode, ever, would be about 3 minutes long if they were plotted in the time of cell phones.

George: Oh no, we are in a crazy situation!
Jerry: Let’s just call Elaine.

The day is saved. “

But most of the episodes were ultimately driven by the characters’ dysfunction and lack of social skills.  For every problem solved by being able to just call Elaine, there would be three more created by their ability to piss people off and get pissed off by people without actually running into them.

Comment #32: preying mantis  on  07/30  at  07:20 PM

Amanda Marcotte: Not to make it a bash Lady Gaga day—-I like her, I do!—-but I have to point out “Telephone” was automatically out of date.  That dude annoying her would be just texting a lot if she’s in the club.

She cannot text him with that drink in her hand, eh?

It’s not communications technology, but the plot of the first season of Twin Peaks would have been short-circuited by cheap and easy DNA testing if it had been set even 2 or 3 years later. It seems TV-land has gone to the opposite extreme when it comes to forensic science, with police shows having routine access to cutting edge tests, or even tests that don’t exist yet.

Comment #33: Mike Crichton  on  07/30  at  07:29 PM

Mike the Mad Biologist:
The movie Memento.  Polaroids?  Pay phones?  What are those?

Seriously, now everything would either be video or texted—the protagonist would have so much more information.

Would having access to more information help him that much? He’d still forget it all within a few minutes. Maybe having only a few reminders around was more helpful to him than a big long virtual diary that he’d never be able to read/watch all the way though.

Comment #34: Mike Crichton  on  07/30  at  07:33 PM

Imagine if Harry had given Sirius a mobile phone in book 3? They’d have been able to communicate faster and more often, in ways the Wizarding world wouldn’t be able to track because technology baffles them so.

I can see Harry’s relatives not giving him a phone, but Hermione’s?  Absolutely would have forked out for one.  At least by Year 3 when she can get to town.  Hogwarts might have some ‘protection’ that makes using a cell impossible, but Hogsmeade might have reception.

And once Arthur Weasley saw them?  If he couldn’t figure them out a magical way, Fred and George would.

now, Harry actually had the magic mirrors from Sirius that he refused to open.  they would have taken the place of cells and saved Sirius’ life.  That’s a knife Rowling liked to turn:  Harry was trying to save Sirius by not calling on him, and by not opening that gift, he ended up leading him to the place he was killed.

Comment #35: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  07/30  at  07:46 PM

I feel like NCIS does a pretty realistic portrayal of computer/cell phone technology in the show. Not just for all the “crime solving” stuff, but in the way the characters use the cell phones & computers to communicate w/each other. They will look at the phone and decide whether to answer based on who it is (though they generally always answer when its the boss). Which is pretty much what I do.

Comment #36: Mark  on  07/30  at  07:51 PM

I’ve been reading an urban fantasy series called Greywalker by Kat Richardson.  The author imbued a couple of aspects of her own personality in the protagonist, including aversion to cell phones (despite the fact that the character is a detective and thus ALWAYS needing to talk to people.  It didn’t seem like a contrived plot device as much as stubbornness, which is very right for the character, and it certainly didn’t stop her from communicating using landlines and legwork (when she wasn’t wrestling with poltergeists, anyway), but I had to keep rolling my eyes at the very concept that someone like a private eye wouldn’t have a cell phone.

I think it was the third book into the series when she just gave up and gave the character a phone.  Technology won.  It was kind of a relief.

Comment #37: Caelan Aegana  on  07/30  at  08:01 PM

What solutions do you come up with, UltraMagnus?

Most of the time it would be that the call is made but it’s ignored. We would also have times where the call is made, and they’re talking and then something in the background happens (an explosion, say) that cuts it short. Not too clever. A lot of times we would focus on not making the call in the first place.

Comment #38: UltraMagnus  on  07/30  at  08:03 PM

There’s a great moment in season 2 when they make that lack of communication work: “It’s a text from Bill! ...From five hours ago.  I am so getting a new phone when Eric pays me.”

Comment #39: sherunslunatic  on  07/30  at  08:13 PM

“This post reminds me of Rich FourFour’s compilation of people in horror movies having trouble with their cell phones.”

The last time a friend and I had that conversation, we wound up going back to all the horror movies that suddenly had to account for the ubiquity of home phones and private lines.  Once the audience was going “Why aren’t they just phoning the cops or the neighbors or at least a friend?” the second shit starts getting serious, the script had to give an explanation.  So you need to have the lines down or cut or the phone itself sabotaged, and you actually have to go through the motions of having the characters establish that they can’t just call for help.

Comment #40: preying mantis  on  07/30  at  08:24 PM

Almost every piece of entertainment using the plot device of trying to locate a bad guy using a telephone is making it seem way more difficult than it really is.

I don’t know anything about the actual technologies involved but you can bet for damned sure that if the caller hangs up after x number of seconds the information isn’t lost. The idea of “tracing” a telephone call is likely a dramtatic fictional plot device and nothing more.

I remember a couple of years ago when that Tech TV guy and his family got lost on a snowy mountain road in Southern Oregon, an astute mobile phone tech figured out where they where by looking over some several day old logs and discovered their phone trying to ping a couple of towers for service.

Comment #41: encephalopath  on  07/30  at  08:34 PM

Even though cell phones exist, drama keeps happening IRL, so writers who can’t drum up some out of their imaginations are just crappy imagineers.

A quick trip through police logs should be educational for these writers so handicapped.

Any story that relies on unmotivated information hiding is irritating.  I see that a fair bit in the worst types of genre fiction I read, and once you perceive it, it’s like a hangnail that keeps getting caught on things.

Comment #42: Eric_RoM  on  07/30  at  08:38 PM

The obvious (narrative) thing to do is make cel phones the problem: e.g. while I don’t have a cell ph currently, the memory function when I had one made it so I never memorized any phone numbers.  That made borrowing a phone to call somebody pointless, since I no longer memorize numbers.  you have to have YOUR phone….. and there’s a plot device right there.

Comment #43: Eric_RoM  on  07/30  at  08:43 PM

It’s a quality of mystery writers (and the Stookie Stackhouse books share a lot with the mystery genre) that they tend to prefer conversations and sleuthing to be face-to-face. It makes for better dialogue and action. I read mystery novels all the time where people just *show up* at other people’s houses, and those people are actually home, and they invite people in and have long conversations, and they’re never just running out the door, or in the bathtub, or in the middle of mopping the kitchen floor. It’s really weird compared to real life, but it’s part of the genre.

Also, no the show doesn’t follow the plot. It has the same characters, and it stays really true to those characters , but the plot lines diverge all over the place. In the books, Lafayette is the one who winds up dead in Andy’s car, Jason never got hooked on V or had the psycho vampire-napping girlfriend, nor does he join the Fellowship of the Sun, the MaryAnn storyline was very different, Godric wasn’t Eric’s maker, Jessica didn’t exist, and the punishment for Hugo and Isabel was more creative. Among other things.

The show follows the spirit of the books really well, but changes a lot of details and adds whole new subplots. Which is cool. It means I can watch it without knowing what happens next.

Comment #44: Phoebe Fay  on  07/30  at  08:43 PM

“Burn Notice” uses cellphones.  In fact, Michael uses cellphones like most people use breath mints.  They made a point in early episodes showing him picking up a bunch of cheap disposable phones, showing how cheap and easy they were to get even for someone with minimal resources, so there was never a question raised later on about how he always had so many to use for bombs, bugs, and sometimes talking to people.

One nice bit was when he modified one to transmit data from a computer and stuck it into his mark’s desktop.  The voiceover commented that twenty years before the CIA would have killed for a small, portable device device with its own power supply with equivalent capabilities as the cheap phone.

There was another bit where he was being taken somewhere and they searched him and took his phone…not to prevent him from contacting anyone but to prevent him from using the GPS to find out where they were taking him.

And in the season 2 finale the On*Star on his buddy’s car was used to contact Michael and give him directions to a rendezvous.

The show is one where people are very much aware of modern communication technology.

Comment #45: KeithM  on  07/30  at  08:45 PM

*headdesk*
I can’t think of any of my contemporary romances that use cell phones. I’ll have to insert them into this one. Even the one where my characters meet over the internet and use IM to get better acquainted, they’re still on land-lines. Even the one where one guy makes a living on the net, they have two land lines because the other is a phone psychic, and their friends have an upstairs extension. They spend so much face to face time that phones never occured to me. (I am showing my age)

I wonder how much of the cellphone stuff is just the age of the writers involved? Most up and comers are in their 30-40s. We didn’t grow up with a cell in one hand or texting. We had the kitchen phone with the 15’ cord. Some of us even had party lines. And long distance calls were a big deal.

On media:

I am loving True Blood in so many ways. It suits me, even with the cheese. It’s a big overblown Southern Gothic soap opera. With vampires.

Weeds makes great use of cell phones.

The Anita Blake books are dated, because she spends much of the first six books hunting for payphones, before she caves in and gets a cell.

Comment #46: Angelia Sparrow  on  07/30  at  09:09 PM

“Lost” was smart in that the writers decided that the way to get around a world full of previously unthinkable modern convenience is to put characters in a situation where they’re completely deprived of it

That’s not really true, is it? Sure, the on-Island scenes are mostly bereft of modern technology—but even then, there were the DHARMA stations—but the flash-backs/sideways/forwards all take place in non-Island 2004-2007. 

But LOST had it’s own version of “plot stalling by use of cellphone”: the barging in.  How many times was something about about to be revealed when a character would barge in and yell “Jack! So and so’s in trouble!” and the reveal is dropped.  My “favorite” example of that is when Mikhail totally disses John, Kate and Sayid at the sonar fence, letting the Losties know that The Others know all about their past lives and just as they’re going to confront him…..Danielle runs in and the conversation is dropped.  It got pathetic how often they resorted to that.

Comment #47: Henry Holland  on  07/30  at  09:09 PM

Can you think of movies/books/TV shows where there were obvious technology fails in the plot?

Star Trek.
Every. Fricking. Episode. Next Generation was even worse. Think cell phone stapled to your chest, monitoring your vital signs, connected to a damn near sentient computer, and STILL nobody notices you’re getting massacred.

Not quite the same as the point of this thread, but absolutely valid in terms of following the rules you set up for yourself.

As far as True Blood, yes, it’s established in the books that Sookie’s finances are so tight she can’t afford things like cell phones. But that’s a fail in and of itself. Every single one of her boyfriends is at least moderately well off, her boss is solvent, and later on we find out even more about The Forces Watching Over Her.

About the third time some supernatural critter attacks me or some asshole supernatural person uses me in a vendetta against some other supernatural person who thinks I’m on their side, a cell phone would be one of my absolute number one priorities. As in “No, Eric, not until I have a satellite phone with unlimited minutes.” 

Hell, even if Bon Temps doesn’t have coverage, half of the people she works with/for/owe her their lives could afford to wire the town out of petty cash.

Comment #48: Lymis  on  07/30  at  09:39 PM

Buffy had a network of Watchers spread around the world, for the sole purpose of keeping track of her, and couldn’t spring for a cell phone, either.

Comment #49: Lymis  on  07/30  at  09:41 PM

Going with KeithM, in that vein, Dexter and Big Love also have characters who are constantly on cell phones. Big Love uses them as if their lives depended on it, practically every other scene is a character making a call to someone on a cell.

Comment #50: UltraMagnus  on  07/30  at  09:47 PM

Another technology problem in almost all TV and movies is that M!cro$oft doesn’t allow their products to be show in fictional entertainment.

When someone is using a computer, they aren’t using M!cro$oft. Apple will allow this, but more often you see some badly kludged together graphical user interface or the oh-so-dramatic shell command prompt.

Nothing like a bunch of slashes and abbreviated arguments to draw the viewer into the action.

The stuff people are doing with computers in movies isn’t anything like what most people experience every day.

Comment #51: encephalopath  on  07/30  at  09:51 PM

Seriously, Ghost In the Shell, guys, especially the tv shows…There’s no cheesy write around lack of communications in that pair of series!

Also, it’s a traditional paranormal investigation trope that magic doesn’t play nice with technology (and of course, *magical equivalents like telepathy aren’t used in compensations).

Comment #52: shah8  on  07/31  at  11:55 AM

“X-Files” had cell phones from the beginning, and the frequent failures/loss of them figured into several plots.

Comment #53: James  on  07/31  at  11:56 AM

About the cell phones - I just assumed that Bon Temps had really shitty coverage.  I started reading the books when they came out - I didn’t have a cell phone at that point and it didn’t bother me that nobody in the book did.  Also, a book that came out in 2001 would have been written in 1999. 

DEAD UNTIL DARK, the first Sookie Stackhouse book was marketed as a mystery novel, not supernatural/fantasy.  Charlene Harris had been writing another cozy mystery series before that.  No author has really figured out how to write books where everyone is talking over the phone and texting instead of meeting up face to face.  Texting and computer interaction REALLY don’t work in the movies, people need to be confronting each other directly for the drama to work.  I am sure that a narrative convention for dealing with all of this will be developed over time, however. 

As to the one lady and two or more dudes scenario - this is a very common trope in amateur detective mystery novels with a female protagonist.  Although either gender can be in a long term monogamous relationship or a basically celibate loner who might get laid every third book or so, women don’t seem to have the “kiss the captain and you die” premise open to them.  A lady just doesn’t go all James Bond, Captain Kirk, Travis McGee or Jack Reacher, taking a new lover every book who has vanished by the next one.  So… having two (plus) men madly in love with your heroine and she can’t decide between them becomes how a series sustains its non-monogamous, sexually active protagonist.  See also:  Janet Evanovich’s Stephanie Plum and Laurell Hamilton’s Anita Blake series (which also began as a mystery series - I have a signed first edition mass market paperback!)  The heroine basically switches guys every book or two, while Mr. Backburner mopes and stews.

It actually does suck as a way of dealing with female sexuality and I confess I gave up on reading these series when I realized where they were heading.  Still pick them up on occasion, catching up plotwise view Wikipedia or such.  I do tend to put “unable to decide which guy I really want to sleep with” in the too stupid to live category, but recognize this as a personal thing. (Although it is distinctly more believable in the TRUE BLOOD tv show than in the books.) Did have a discussion with a gothy friend on the vampire end of the fandom, and she said that one lady, two dudes is actually one of the more stable and happy poly combos.  To her, these sorts of books are wannabe poly and just not willing to go all the way with accepting the inherent kink of the situation.

Sorry to go so long, but I’m also really curious about how the strong female detective novels of the eighties and nineties morphed into the paranormal novels of the new millenium.  Some of it may just be that as the anti-feminist backlash came in, having a human female dealing with human men became problematic, so writers started using non-humans.  Also, just before the switch, female detectives were all about the hardcore social justice issues, they weren’t as personal as the earlier books.  I may have just found a thesis topic, eh?

Comment #54: East of Weston  on  07/31  at  12:16 PM

I just watched the first episode of “Sherlock” which is Steven Moffatt’s resetting of Sherlock Holmes into current day, and Sherlock texts constantly! In fact, a cell phone and gps are used to solve the mystery. Really interesting and well done use of phone technology.

So, that’s an example of a show that I felt was done well in the phone department. Though the woman who completely ignored Watson in favor of texting was an example of the most annoying parts of cell phones and texting.

Comment #55: Bethynyc  on  07/31  at  12:36 PM

When someone is using a computer, they aren’t using M!cro$oft. Apple will allow this, but more often you see some badly kludged together graphical user interface or the oh-so-dramatic shell command prompt.
Comment #51: encephalopath


The movie critic Roger Ebert makes a point of this about “The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo” - that it’s rare to see a character use a real computer interface. Now THERE is a movie that uses modern technology…..

Comment #56: NobleExperiments  on  07/31  at  12:55 PM

I definitely think there’s no genre that cell phones have done more damage to than horror.  Going back to the very beginning, horror preys on feelings of isolation and being cut off from help.  The key is how to explore the fears that come from ubiquitous connection, on making that the source of menace, rather than finding ever more improbable ways of cutting characters off.  As a horror writer myself, it’s tricky and annoying to deal with, because the danger of isolation is so integral to many genre classics.  But I can think a few instances where it’s worked. 

Let’s see, like the original Japanese Pulse, where an apocalypse is triggered through the internet.  The episodes in Dollhouse where the tech escapes into the world at large.  Paranormal Activity kind of works fairly well in how one character’s obsession with recording everything on camera is what causes their downfall.

Comment #57: Dr. Locrian  on  07/31  at  01:06 PM

Dr. Locrian @ 57, I agree to an extent. One thing I loved about Diary of the Dead (an otherwise crappy movie) was the characters CONSTANTLY used tech and had some delusions like “Nothing can harm me while I’m behind the camera.” There were web-feeds and cellphones and camcorders and everything.

I like the line in The Hills Have Eyes:
97% coverage and we’re in the other three percent.

Brian Keene uses the cellphones, and lack thereof, effectively in his books. Nothing like being on the last bar of your charge during a zombie apocalypse and having your son call you and beg you to save him…just as it dies. Bryan Smith is pretty good too.

Comment #58: Angelia Sparrow  on  07/31  at  01:14 PM

I’ve written a couple of modern mystery-thrillers that in my voluminous free time I keep meaning to shop around. The main character is very attached to her Blackberry: technology often drives the plot. Of course, at a crucial moment she needed to NOT be able to call someone, so I conveniently had her pushed off the edge of a building where she had to drop the phone in order to hang on. But it was fun because then later she had a new phone but none of her old contacts, so she still couldn’t call anyone until her gruff but lovable partner showed up with his paper notebook full of phone numbers.

Comment #59: felagund  on  07/31  at  02:00 PM

I wonder how much of the cellphone stuff is just the age of the writers involved? Most up and comers are in their 30-40s. We didn’t grow up with a cell in one hand or texting. We had the kitchen phone with the 15’ cord. Some of us even had party lines. And long distance calls were a big deal.

I am about that age. I moved cities one year, never hooked up a landline, and haven’t looked back. At this point, I don’t really remember what it was like anymore or have any feeling that I am missing anything. But as far as it occurs with some writers, it is a big problem: how do you write modern fiction when you are effectively depicting a universe that is 20 old?

Cloud computing is going to make this issue more of a problem: losing or breaking your cell phone isn’t going to be a barrier since you will be able to access your data and contacts through any network-enabled device.

Comment #60: Tyro  on  07/31  at  02:28 PM

M!cro$oft doesn’t allow their products to be show in fictional entertainment.

When someone is using a computer, they aren’t using M!cro$oft. Apple will allow this, ....

“Allow” isn’t the word you should be using in that situation—it’s more like “pay for”.  The term is “product placement”.  Apple pays production companies for the privilege of having Macs show up on-screen.

A notable exception is The Big Bang Theory, where those guys clearly wouldn’t be Mac users.

Comment #61: Thlayli  on  07/31  at  03:08 PM

Oh, you urban types. Not so much Louisiana because it’s flat, but in the hilly suburbs and exurbs places without coverage are legion. And broadband (which you pretty much need for most social-networking sites) ain’t happening either, or is expensive enough that you have to be a committed user with spare cash.

That’s the kind of thing that could get worked into the plot—you’re trapped in a basement or other the other side of a hill or inside a house with a metal roof, or your carrier just decides not to deliver your SMS for a few hours—but that would require more thinking on the part of the writers and make a show unsuitable for a big chunk of advertising money. Best to ditch it.

But think of all the other ways that TV is anti-fact when it’s convenient. The last realistic-sized New York apartment was on Welcome Back, Kotter.

Comment #62: paul  on  07/31  at  04:18 PM

There was a scene on the books where someone asks Sookie what she was doing in a dark road in the middle of the night without a cell phone, in what seemed like an “you’re asking for trouble” lecture, and she replied with a rant about how she was driving late at night because she had just left the work that she needed to pay her bills for barely surviving and couldn’t spend money on cell phones. It made me remember one of those articles debunking “rape prevention” advice that pointed out how “avoid dangerous neighborhoods after dark” is privileged crap.
The Harry Potter last books had me rolling my eyes, not only at the adults holding off information from the kids, but the kids hiding their own plans from the adults that could probably help.
The Dark Hunter series, another supernatural fantasy/romance, has an organization that hunts (bad) vampires formed by (good) vampire-like supernatural hunters and their human Esquires. They’re ultra organized and have a website with complete databases and discussion boards, disguised as an exclusive RPG game.

#31: “Bill, who claims to hate the little keyboards on cell phones, gets scenes where he struggles with the modern world”
It’s funny, because on the books, Bill’s value to the Queens/Kings is that he created a database of vampires that he sells online to other vampires and makes lots of profits for the sovereign he’s currently serving. Eric seems to be the one who gets more anachronic sometimes.
#42: “Even though cell phones exist, drama keeps happening IRL, so writers who can’t drum up some out of their imaginations are just crappy imagineers.”
I was just thinking something close to that yesterday night. I was reading romance/erotica, and I think I’ve read 4 or 5 of these books yesterday. Only one of them had a plot that didn’t involve something that was either legally rape, or ethically rape. I thought “OFFS, people do manage to get involved/have sex/fall in love without rape IRL sometimes, how come writers can’t seem to complete one story without resorting to that! What’s wrong with you people! *flounces*”

Comment #63: colorlessblue  on  07/31  at  04:37 PM

Just remembered: in V, the FBI agent stops the priest from calling 911 from his cellphone to inform about a massacre aftermatch and uses a payphone instead, to make the call stay anonymous, and the aliens intercept a call to 911 and use it to trace and hunt them with a little armed flying ball/camera. I don’t understand why their camera is so bad, though. No face can be recognized and everything alive shows as a blurred red stain (infrared? why?).

Comment #64: colorlessblue  on  07/31  at  04:40 PM

Buffy had a network of Watchers spread around the world, for the sole purpose of keeping track of her, and couldn’t spring for a cell phone, either.

It also took six years for it to occur to somebody that they could just try shooting her.

I can’t remember what movie it was - some lame action movie - I saw part of at a friend’s house. The villain needed to destroy the information on a computer, so he shoots the monitor and runs out. I laughed and laughed.

Comment #65: RacyT  on  07/31  at  04:42 PM

A friend of mine told me that she believed cell phones are used as a symbol of schizophrenia or multiple/dual personalities. She could only cite “The Departed” as an example, but I thought it was an interesting idea.

Comment #66: keirdubois  on  07/31  at  04:45 PM

Also, random thought - I just watched the future/dystopia endings of Whedon’s “Dollhouse” show, and you’d never guess the device used for mass-scale sneak-attack mind control personality wiping.

Comment #67: keirdubois  on  07/31  at  04:48 PM

Third random thought - when I was writing some fiction for fun, I had plenty of character conversations while driving, but only one (I think) phone call. Some answering machine messages. Some prank calls.

But very little email (it was set in 1995/96). That’s the next hurdle - I know Zadie Smith, Irvine Welsh, and zillions of other authors have used email as a device, but to do that over TV or film just seems boring. I mean, who wants to watch someone type?

Comment #68: keirdubois  on  07/31  at  04:56 PM

I think there’s also some backlash, because remember in the 1990s when we were supposed to be impressed with sitting there watching someone scroll through a Geocities website? Like when Willow’s superpower was basically being able to use a search engine to look things up? Watching people type is not interesting; ditto texting. There’s a lot of potential for running-while-cell-phoning, though.

Comment #69: purpleshoes  on  07/31  at  05:03 PM

#64 colorlessblue:  ‘OFFS’ is now my new favorite acronym.

And ‘*flounces*’ my new favorite sign-off.  I’m crushing on you, m or f.
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#51 encephalopath:  like someone else said, I don’t think M$ has any <u>legal</u> ability to prevent people from showing their products in any media, especially if it’s not really central to the plot.  OTOH the cheap ba$tard$ wouldn’t probably part w/a dime to product place their crap software.
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#48 Lymis:  ‘Star Trek’ is a NEST of tech failure.  After the first 20 times someone mysteriously disappears from the ship, wouldn’t you have everybody monitored every, oh, quarter second by the central computer?

And if, for some reason you <u>aren’t</u> doing that, there’s probably a GOOD SCIENCE FICTION STORY in WHY you aren’t doing that (“Violates 52nd Amendment to the Federation’s Constitution, which is…. ,enacted because….., and civilization ALMOST fell.”)  Trek regularly ignored possible good stories (“No money?  OK, then WHAT???”) for yet another iteration of a crap cliche’ (“Evil version of whomever.”)

“Star Trek: middling-to-good entertainment, absolute crap SF.”

*flounces*

Comment #70: Eric_RoM  on  07/31  at  05:10 PM

#70: “m or f” : just because we’re discussing technology, I have to point out that my posts have links to my blog. I have some kind of block about swearing, I don’t like saying ugly words, so in my head I tend to swear in acronyms, and in english (not my native language, seems weaker and less offensive than if I use portuguese). OFFS is a favorite.

Comment #71: colorlessblue  on  07/31  at  05:33 PM

#63 They *do* like to mess around with the established personalities, don’t they?  I’ve noticed it in almost all the book-to-tv shows I’ve watched in the past few years.  Blood Ties (so very much the same genre) caused itself more problems pulling the same sorts of stunts as TrueBlood has, for instance.

Comment #72: fluffster  on  07/31  at  07:16 PM

#71: in case it was unclear, “m or f” was “male or female”.  “F or M” would have been less ambiguous.

Comment #73: Eric_RoM  on  07/31  at  07:37 PM

It also took six years for it to occur to somebody that they could just try shooting her.

Apparently my memory of the show is still pretty encyclopedic because Mr. Trick has dudes with guns going after her early in season two. Slayerfest ‘98! I am beginning to be embarrassed by this knowledge.

Comment #74: brandon  on  07/31  at  08:10 PM

Information drives any plot. Controlling its scarcity is the challenge of the writer, both among the characters and to the reader.

But I’ve been reading Clay Shirky’s Cognitive Surplus, and as the title clearly suggests, information scarcity is hard to manufacture these days. Telling insights in phrases like “the People Formerly Known as the Audience” should tip off any professional creatives that this is a book you need to put into your head.

I assumed that the producer and I would jump into a conversation about social construction of knowledge, the nature of authority, or any of the other topics that Wikipedia often generates.  She didn’t ask any of those questions, though.  Instead, she sighed and said, “Where do people find the time?”  Hearing this, I snapped, and said, “No one who works in TV gets to ask that question.  You know where the time comes from.”  She knew, because she worked in the industry that had been burning off the lion’s share of our free time for the last fifty years. [p. 9]


People are more aware, informed, and participatory in fiction that ever before. Observing the cell phone dilemma is just part of this paradigm shift.

And you can really show your age as a creator if you don’t make the leap fast enough.  Much the same thing happened in the 1970s when movies still filled their time with looong takes of actors walking or driving silently: It was supposed to “establish” the normalcy of the scene, but turned out to be tedious filler that drove audiences away. (MST3K would rib these minutes mercilessly, and Tarantino seems to elide this aspect of the period from his many homages.) Older writers and directors were largely to blame for this, but it took years for the practice to be swept away.

Predicting acceptable tech changes is always hard (the fax machine-obsessed elder Marty McFly in BttF2 always comes to mind) but there’s the flip side of anachronism, getting past tech wrong.  In no less recent an episode that the season opener of Mad Men, did I spot a telephone howler.

It’s the scene where Peggy calls Don to ask for the stunt actresses’ bail/hush money. Don is lying face down on his bed when his hired prostitute walks in from the other room, and thirty feet across floor, carrying a c. 1964 rotary land line phone.  It rests lightly in her hand until she puts it down next to him.

I don’t see cord on it. She’s carrying it like it’s a big cell phone.

Um, sorry, Mad Men creators. You are brilliant people, and your work is a benchmark to us all, but that is not how the phoning go.

I still own an AT&T 100, attached to a land line, where it awaits the next New York City blackout.  The AT&T is the descendant of the classic rotary phones of mid-twentieth century, but it is light plastic, digital, and can be unplugged from the wall, or even given really long wall and/or handset cords. This, a prostitute could carry about as she pleases.

A rotary phone of the 1960s is built like WWII was not over. Its casing is thick, break-resistant bakelite. Its innards are a solid mass of steel and heavy copper wires, making its base inconducive to move, since its brick-like heft is meant to keep it from falling off little tables, and the handset itself has two heavy medallions, like measuring weights, otherwise known as the analog microphone and speaker, to keep you from wanting to hold it up to your ear for very long. 

Finally, and most importantly, this tank-like machine is hard-wired to the wall, and the wire is gonna be short, because its user didn’t install it.  That would be its real owner, AT&T.  And AT&T is a monopoly, so the phone doesn’t have to go to you. You have to go to the phone.

Look at all the movies of the time. The phones in them are not a kind of big cell phone. You have to walk to the phone.

Next week’s lesson: How the movies of the time made rotary dialing a shorthand of three short strokes instead of reality’s seven long ones.

Comment #75: Yamara  on  07/31  at  08:13 PM

purpleshoes @69:

that’s a problem, of course, with what we’re discussing, because it means that any show that tries to be “modern” in its tropes may end up coming across as more dated than the shows that just play the portable-tech-never-happened game. How do you bring the tools in, but in nonspecific enough ways that it’s not like watching Mannix with his car phone or Napoleon Solo asking the operator to connect him to headquarters? And still have a plot?

Comment #76: paul  on  07/31  at  08:45 PM

#73: I understood “m or f”, I don’t understand “F or M” now. =p

Comment #77: colorlessblue  on  07/31  at  09:56 PM

The thing that bugged me the most about Harry Potter is that they can do all this great magic and shit, but they could never cure bad eye sight.  Why did Harry and all the other wizards and witches wear glasses?

Comment #78: Albert Cirrus  on  08/01  at  12:23 AM

Heh. Remember how Buffy didn’t even drive past the Band Candy episode because it was more dramatic to show her running? Joss put cells to good use in Dollhouse, though (aaaaah, there goes my personality…).

Another series a la Greywalker: the October Daye series features a faery PI who got turned into a fish for 14 years, starting in the 90’s. She’s missed technical developments over that time, so when she de-fished she disliked cells and, as a I recall, chucked hers out at one point.

Comment #79: Jennifer  on  08/01  at  12:24 AM

or Napoleon Solo asking the operator to connect him to headquarters?

He always asked to ‘open channel D’:

Solo and Kuryakin, trained in martial arts, also had a range of useful spy equipment, including handheld satellite communicators to keep in contact with UNCLE headquarters. A catchphrase often heard was “Open Channel D” when agents used their pocket radios (originally disguised as cigarette packs, later as a cigarette case, and in following seasons, as pens[8]). One of the original pen communicators now resides in the museum of the Central Intelligence Agency.[9]

Comment #80: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/01  at  12:31 AM

Or here’s a way True Blood COULD have explained the lack of usage of cell phones in Bon Temps or anywhere else vampires/sifters/fairies/maenads lurk: as in the SciFi show Ghost Hunters, supernatural beings can’t help but draw power from any batteries they’re around. It’s just part of their nature. Ergo, no cellphones, no laptops, no GPS, no digital cameras. Ding.

Comment #81: cycles  on  08/01  at  02:02 AM

I don’t see how anyone can enjoy any kind of fiction without a large degree of tolerance for things unaccountably left out, or people who unaccountably don’t do something or other when you’d think they should.  As my ex-husband once pointed out, if people in stories did the sensible thing, there wouldn’t be any stories.  Either that, or they’d all be boring.  It’s all :“Let’s all separate and explore this dangerous warehouse probably used by very bad guys ALOOOONE!”

Comment #82: Older  on  08/01  at  02:12 AM

I read a lot of mystery novels, and they always have a scene near the end where the sleuth ends up in some isolated place with the killer—she may have gone there to meet with the killer for help, when under the impression that the killer was someone else, or she may have gone there to collect some evidence and happened to do so at the same time as the killer went there to destroy or hide said evidence, or any of a half-dozen other scenarios.  In any case, the killer finds her, realizes that she knows and must be killed before she has a chance to tell anyone else, and a chapter or two of peril and pursuit follow. 

The only way this trope has changed since the 70’s and 80’s is that now one of the following must happen to the sleuth’s cell phone:
1.  She drops it (or has it kicked out of her hand in a fight, etc.).
2.  She realizes that the Isolated Area has no coverage (which, as noted by previous commenters, is sometimes realistic, depending on how Isolated the Area is).
3.  She realizes that it is out of battery.
4.  She realizes that she forgot it. 

No contemporary mystery writer would dream of writing the Final Peril scene without accounting for the cell phone in some way, but it’s vanishingly rare to see a writer do more than make a brief nod in the direction of, “Okay, that’s why she doesn’t just call someone.”  There isn’t much evidence that most writers have really thought through the various ways that technological change might affect this trope—it’s just a matter of “get rid of the cell phone, then proceed exactly as if it were 1973.”

Comment #83: A.  on  08/01  at  02:16 AM

I’m rather enjoying the ‘sackcloth and ashes’ disclaimers of those here with ‘WAYYYYyyyyy hayyyyy hayyyy too much knowledge of TV minutia.

C’mon, come on out of your NPR stickered closets and ADMIT YOU LIKE TELEVISION.

Life is better when you don’t have to live a lie.

Comment #84: Eric_RoM  on  08/01  at  02:25 AM

Even today, on some shows, people don’t use cell or land lines where it would make sense, or police radio.  They jump in the car and race to the scene!

It can be argued that most conversations on cell phones are boring.  How much of it is “I’m in the ice cream section, what kind did you want again?”  Many people are annoyed by people using cell phones even in totally innocuous circumstances, so quite possibly cell phone conversations are kept to a minimum to avoid annoying those people.

Lymis:  “About the third time some supernatural critter attacks me or some asshole supernatural person uses me in a vendetta against some other supernatural person who thinks I’m on their side, a cell phone would be one of my absolute number one priorities. As in “No, Eric, not until I have a satellite phone with unlimited minutes.” “

The books and the show both put Sookie in a weird position of needing money, very much needing money, yet not getting much of it from the vamps who are benefiting from her talents and who make tons of money.  It annoys me, too, but then I’ve not always been so good at asking for money either.

Cell phones in a supernatural story could be “haunted” or otherwise infiltrated by baddies.  In a crime story a cell phone antenna could be placed in an area that someone wants to watch and through some techno geekery could be used to intercept or break up conversations.

Lots of information means that people can swamp the good with bad.  If you know Jo/e Character is about to check on something on Wikipedia, be ready to update the page with an edit.  Or hijack the DNS server and spoof the websites s/he goes to with your own versions on another IP.  Heck, you could even just edit the hosts file on the computer and put the pages right on the sucker’s own machine.

I like how on Leverage they go cell phones one better by having everyone using some kind of permanent radio hookup among all the team members all the time.  Someone says something and everyone else hears it. 

Yamara:  “A rotary phone of the 1960s is built like WWII was not over. Its casing is thick, break-resistant bakelite. Its innards are a solid mass of steel and heavy copper wires, making its base inconducive to move, since its brick-like heft is meant to keep it from falling off little tables, and the handset itself has two heavy medallions, like measuring weights, otherwise known as the analog microphone and speaker, to keep you from wanting to hold it up to your ear for very long….this tank-like machine is hard-wired to the wall, and the wire is gonna be short, because its user didn’t install it.”

You could have a long cord if you asked the nice installer to give you one.  I imagine a call girl could figure out *some* way to convince him.  Also, not all the phones in the fifties were bakelite.  I don’t remember the phone in question so can’t judge whether it is anachronistic or not.  Search google images for bakelite phone and you will see the kinds that really are bakelite, as opposed to those that are plastic but still heavy.

The telltale in a lot of phone errors is the clear plastic dial, which didn’t come in until 1965.  Or the blue grommet on pay phones.

And for a funny take on tv shows and tech:  24: The Unaired 1994 Pilot.

Comment #85: oldfeminist  on  08/01  at  02:46 AM

thlayli:

And why would a scientist necessarily not be a Mac user? From a scientific computing standpoint, it’s just another Unix system.

Comment #86: BrianX  on  08/01  at  02:56 AM

It also took six years for it to occur to somebody that they could just try shooting her.

Apparently my memory of the show is still pretty encyclopedic because Mr. Trick has dudes with guns going after her early in season two. Slayerfest ‘98! I am beginning to be embarrassed by this knowledge.

Even earlier than that. Darla attempts to shoot Buffy with a few bullets in season one. In the Bronze, after Buffy thinks that Angel attacked her mother.

So I suppose I will hold the embarrassment for the both of us. smile

Comment #87: hypatia  on  08/01  at  03:14 AM

As someone has already noted, in the modern-dress BBC update of Sherlock Holmes, the hero uses phones, GPS tracking and the internet as tools to aid him in piecing together a resolution to a mystery. It’s very smartly done—like a sort of CSI deductive method—and I highly recommend it.

Comment #88: Lee Brimmicombe-Wood  on  08/01  at  08:51 AM

#86: I was just remembering Leverage too.

I don’t know how I didn’t remember this earlier (I’ll blame it on my own dislike of all kinds of phones), but here: Cell-phones main page on TvTropes. (trigger warnings, and warnings about getting lost on the site clicking links forever)
Oh, and remember how Slacktivist is always mocking Left Behind for overuse of phone calls!
“Buck is of course on the telephone, talking to Marge Potter.”
“The Rayford interlude is another phone call”
“Buck looked at his watch. He had time for one more call, then he would reach Chloe.
Reach her by phone, no doubt.”
“We cut back to Buck’s point of view with those five words we’ve come to love:
Buck was on the phone ...
That’s our Buck.”

Comment #89: colorlessblue  on  08/01  at  10:09 AM

Jennifer, but if I recall correctly that was originally explained as one of the many misunderstandings of Joyce: apparently Buffy had been on a learner’s permit but Joyce thought she clearly wasn’t responsible enough to get a license?

Comment #90: purpleshoes  on  08/01  at  10:26 AM

I can’t believe it took 86 comments for someone to mention 24.  Say what you will about the show (torture porn, etc.—all valid, in my opinion) cell phones were pivotal in the Season 1 plot.  It was the first show to set me off thinking along the lines of Amanda’s post.

Comment #91: xebecs  on  08/01  at  12:12 PM

I can’t remember what movie it was - some lame action movie - I saw part of at a friend’s house. The villain needed to destroy the information on a computer, so he shoots the monitor and runs out. I laughed and laughed.

Before you feel superior to those silly and ignorant writers, an anecdote.

Several years ago the Elks lodge across the street from my condo was broken into on three consecutive nights by a group of young idiots to steal some of their booze.  After the second break-in, one of the Elks set up a webcam in the building (we live in the Arctic, security systems aren’t something you run down to the store for).

On the third night, the miscreants break in again, and spot the camera.  Being rather clever fellows, they recognize a webcam and trace the cord back to the office, where they see it hooked up to an active desktop and an active monitor which showed what the webcam is seeing (and recording).  Feeling smugly superior at having deduced they were being recorded, our heroes took a crowbar…to the camera.  Having checked witht he monitor and seeing no more feed fromt he camera, and thus quite happy at having destroyed the evidence, they strolled out into the night with their ill-gotten gains and were somewhat surprised to find themselves the next morning locked into cells at the RCMP detachment.

Comment #92: KeithM  on  08/01  at  01:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH2B9F-GPm0 College Humor strikes again!

Comment #93: themann1086  on  08/01  at  02:25 PM

I think a lot of folks are underestimating the potential for this kind preventable-by-a-cellphone situation to happen in real life.

I’ve been reading a lot recently about the German invasion of France in 1940, and one of the most dramatic facts about it is how dramatically the French armed forces failed in the 1930s to equip themselves with working radio sets or even sufficient landline telephone capacity.  The most dramatic example is that the headquarters of Generalissimo Gamelin, the highest French military leader, did not have one single radio set.  Many high command headquarters were connected to the outside world by a single phone—and one of the commands in the critical northeastern sector (either Georges or Billote, can’t remember) regularly went incommunicado for over an hour each day because the phone operator in the nearby town went for lunch.  This high command post in the zone of main effort was connected to the rest of the world by a single landline phone, which was not even available 24/7.

So basically, the French collapse in 1940 is full of situations that sound very much like “plot holes” that couldn’t possibly happen if they had radios.  The French, to issue orders to a formation, often couldn’t just radio or phone them, but rather had to phone somebody else to copy down a written order that then had to be sent by a motorcycle messenger who’d get lost in the traffic caused by all the civilian refugees fleeing the fighting.  In a couple of crucial cases the Germans knocked out the phone lines that connected a division to other commands, and that division would then never again be reached.  The tragicomic tale of the day when General Weygand, newly appointed to replace Gamelin, decided to go see General Billotte up in the combat theatre, and spent most of the morning flying and driving around unable to find him.  Or the poor French (and British) tank crews whose tanks had non-working radios, and thus in order to coordinate their actions had to use hand signals, or when the tanks were too far apart, the captain had to get out of his tank and run over to the next tank to give his order.  All while the Germans had much easier communications due to having radios everywhere, and twelve times as many radio operators.

Comment #94: sacundim  on  08/01  at  02:46 PM

You could also say that regarding the reasons that Battle of the Bulge was such a surprise to the Allied side:

Before the offensive, the Allies were virtually blind to German troop movement. During the liberation of France, the extensive network of the French resistance had provided valuable intelligence about German dispositions. Once they reached the German border, this source dried up. In France, orders had been relayed within the German army using radio messages enciphered by the Enigma machine, and these could be picked up and decrypted by Allied code-breakers to give the intelligence known as ULTRA. In Germany, such orders were typically transmitted using telephone and teleprinter, and a special radio silence order was imposed on all matters concerning the upcoming offensive. The major crackdown in the Wehrmacht after the 20 July plot resulted in much tighter security and fewer leaks. The foggy autumn weather also prevented Allied reconnaissance planes from correctly assessing the ground situation.

Thus, Allied High Command considered the Ardennes a quiet sector, relying on assessments from their intelligence services that the Germans were unable to launch any major offensive operations this late in the war. What little intelligence they had led the Allies to believe precisely what the Germans wanted them to believe—that preparations were being carried out only for defensive, not offensive operations. In fact, because of the Germans’ efforts, the Allies were led to believe that a new defensive army was being formed around Düsseldorf in the northern Rhine, possibly to defend against British attack. This was done by increasing the number of flak batteries in the area and the artificial multiplication of radio transmissions in the area. The Allies at this point thought the information was of no importance. All of this meant that the attack, when it came, completely surprised the Allied forces. Remarkably, the U.S. Third Army intelligence chief, Colonel Oscar Koch, the U.S. First Army intelligence chief, and the SHAEF intelligence officer all correctly predicted the German offensive capability and intention to strike the U.S. VIII Corps area. These predictions were largely dismissed by the U.S. 12th Army Group.[35]

OTOH, it would be a cheap Hollywood trick to have a future leader of France write a prophetic book about “the next great war”, and yet he did:

“The Army of the Future” is a piece of history, written by Charles De Gaulle after the First World War, and shortly before the Second World War. In it he predicts how the war of the future against France will be conducted. De Gaulle foresaw the combined usage of armor, infantry, and artillery that the Nazi’s used against France in their Blitzkrieg, but missed the crucial roll of air power during that conflict. It was interesting as a historian to look at what De Gaulle thought would happen, and compare it to what actually happened. It is also interesting to note that De Gaulle’s troops were the only French units during the invasion that were able to put up any kind of resistance to the Nazi onslaught.

Comment #95: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/01  at  06:02 PM

The only way this trope has changed since the 70’s and 80’s is that now one of the following must happen to the sleuth’s cell phone:
1.  She drops it (or has it kicked out of her hand in a fight, etc.).
2.  She realizes that the Isolated Area has no coverage (which, as noted by previous commenters, is sometimes realistic, depending on how Isolated the Area is).
3.  She realizes that it is out of battery.
4.  She realizes that she forgot it. 

Or you’re up against Mossad, and understandably wary about sticking a piece of equipment that is designed to receive a radio signal anywhere near your head…

Comment #96: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  08/01  at  06:45 PM

Well, here again I have to say that I really like the way cell phones are generally handled on Spooks/MI-5. Everyone has cell phones and everyone uses them, the problems that generally come up are:

1) Everyone is justifiably paranoid as heck that someone else has a tap, a parabolic microphone, or a bug on them.

2) Everyone is justifiably looking for plausible deniability, because one of the worst things that can happen is that you actually get recorded doing something suspicious.

3) Even with special forces units willing to scramble at a moment’s notice, that doesn’t really help you much if you’re half-way across town or the next county over.

4) The situation is often set up in such a way that bringing in help compromises the entire operation.

5) Cell phones are the first things the bad guys go for.

Comment #97: CBrachyrhynchos  on  08/01  at  08:28 PM

@95: I keep having to recommend The Codebreakers for anyone really interested in understanding the military history of the 20th century. Kahn argues the Germans quickly figured out the importance of signal intelligence in WWI and sabotaged telegraph lines on the eastern front to outmaneuver the larger but poorly-organized Russian army.

Some of the skepticism regarding radio communications was partially justified by the fact that everyone and their uncle could hear your signals, and perform traffic analysis without breaking the codes. In fact, an argument for the success of Japan’s Pearl Harbor task force was that they moved all their radio operators to shore stations before setting out, gave them orders to file fake daily reports, and set sail under radio silence. So the U.S. Navy had to weigh late diplomatic intelligence against their own signal intelligence which said that the ships were doing routine patrols thousands of miles away.

Comment #98: CBrachyrhynchos  on  08/01  at  08:43 PM

And why would a scientist necessarily not be a Mac user? From a scientific computing standpoint, it’s just another Unix system.

And from the realistic standpoint, odds are he can’t get any software he’d need/want to use on it.  And the software he could get, for writing his reports and doing image processing (and the few scientific programs like MATLAB you can get for a Mac), you can get on a PC where all the other software he’d be using actually is, so why bother?

Comment #99: KeithM  on  08/01  at  09:56 PM

KeithM, I had a similar experience.

My coworkers and I kept finding things missing from our desks at work.  Stupid stuff, but it was quite annoying.  With my boss’s permission I set up a webcam that sent a picture to an offsite server every 15 seconds.  One day shortly thereafter, I arrived to find the webcam missing.

The last photo, of course, was of the thief about to steal the camera.  It wasn’t a great shot, but good enough to figure out which of the uniformed cleanup personnel it was.

Comment #100: oldfeminist  on  08/01  at  10:42 PM

Watch the movie “Wicker Park” if you want a prime example of how one phone call could have solved pretty much every single problem the characters faced for two hours.

Comment #101: Informis  on  08/01  at  11:07 PM

Comment #96: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein on 08/01 at 05:02 PM

“It is also interesting to note that De Gaulle’s troops were the only French units during the invasion that were able to put up any kind of resistance to the Nazi onslaught.”

I’ve been reading about this campaign every night for the past two weeks, so I feel really confident to say that no, this is definitely not the case.  The closest thing I recall to that statement is the post-war comment of one of the German generals saying that De Gaulle’s counterattack was the only one that was timed right.

There were a couple handful of encounters where various French units put up fierce resistance to the Germans.  If anything, they show that the French had good chances to beat the Germans if they’d had better communications, command and control, and initiative.

Comment #102: sacundim  on  08/01  at  11:26 PM

sacundim, the Wiki entry on Gen. DeGaulle says about his actions during the German attack:

On 17 May, de Gaulle attacked German tank forces at Montcornet with 200 tanks but no air support; on 28 May, de Gaulle’s tanks forced the German infantry to retreat to Caumont—some of the few tactical successes the French enjoyed while suffering defeats across the country. De Gaulle was promoted to the rank of brigadier general, which he would hold for the rest of his life.[19]

Certainly not the only tactical success, and my emphasis is on the book, not DeGaulles’ strategy and tactics in the field as such.

As for Pearl Harbor, my mothers’ family lived in Shanghai
before the attack, and according to my great-aunts and uncles,  the word on the street was that the Japanese were “up to something”, although how much of that is unconscious 20-20 hindsight is anyones’ guess.

Comment #103: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/02  at  01:06 AM

A TV show that uses lot of cell phones and integrates them properly into the story is “Burn Notice.”

Comment #104: woohooyippie  on  08/02  at  09:40 AM

Texting and tweeting will probably be more of a pain in the as to incorporate than speaking into a cell phone.

Comment #105: woohooyippie  on  08/02  at  10:12 AM

grrr. Burn notice mentioned already sorry.

Comment #106: woohooyippie  on  08/02  at  10:29 AM

This is really prominent in horror movies. A good example is The Ruins, which maroons its victims in a location with no cell phone coverage and plays around with it a little in one of its set pieces. One director who has incorporated cell phones almost as a hallmark of his style is Hong Kong action filmmaker Johnnie To. The use of cell phones in movies like PTU and Triad Election are positively droll.

Comment #107: Christianne Benedict  on  08/02  at  11:21 AM

Horror is perhaps the genre where cell phones work best…by not working.  Suddenly loosing contact with the outside world is one of the classic tropes of horror, so to have your phone stop working, well, if you think about it that’s something that’s terrifying to a modern person which wouldn’t really be understood by someone twenty or thirty years ago when being out of contact was a routine.  And the best part is that you don’t even have to justify it; they’re in a horror movie after all.

Comment #108: KeithM  on  08/02  at  11:59 AM

For instance, even though we know for a fact that Sam has a phone, he never stops to call Sookie for help or advice when he finds himself targeted for abuse by Marianne.  Even though, if that happened to me, the first thing I’d think is, “Who do I know that might also be a ‘supernatural’ that is impervious to Marianne’s spells, and also has a bunch of badass vampire friends who can kick some serious ass and are probably the only people I can think of to take on a demon goddess?”

I figured that Sam has some issues with Sookie and her vampire boyfriend. Jealously, resentment, etc.  He is a bit of a loner and loners don’t necessarily go around asking for help.  For me, Sam calling Sookie for help would seem totally out of character.

OTOH, I can’t for the life of me, figure out why Tara didn’t call Sookie and at least ask permission to let Marianne move in.

Comment #109: adobedragon  on  08/02  at  02:10 PM

you know, i just thought of a reason the writers could give for sookie not having a cell phone. i’ve always heard anecdotal stories about people who can’t wear watches because of their personal magnetic field or whatever (i have some issue with cell phones and computers myself, but i really think it’s just because i get too impatient and make them work faster on more stuff than they want to, but my coworkers like to tease me and call me magneto). well, sookie can basically shoot lightening bolts at attackers when she’s in mortal danger, so why not just say she can’t use cell phones because they don’t work/break when she touches them. issue solved, and no boring discussions of finances neccessary.

i do like how in the current season tara is finally putting sookie’s mind-reading to good use, silently informing sookie of her plans so the bad guys can be taken by surprise. i think they must have gotten some new writers who realized they should start using this stuff because it makes no sense not to (they’ve even started making use of the sire/baby vamp psychic connection finally). they’ve also gotten better makeup artists, thank god (erik’s vampire makeup in the first two seasons was just awful: white face, tan arms, not even blending the edges properly. blech).

Comment #110: akzidenzgrotesk  on  08/03  at  11:44 AM

@112

That’s basically what Jim Butcher does in his Dresden Files novels.  People with strong magic ability (wizards) fry most of the higher technology they are around.  There are a few scenes where mortals and non-magical supernatural characters exclude the magical, super-powerful main guy because they need to use technology to help them solve a problem, and they wouldn’t be able to do that if he accompanied them.  (It is also occasionally a great way to “accidentally” eliminate technology that could be useful.)  I think the stories have a nice balance of modern world full of devices that prevent genre tropes and older world that allowed those tropes to begin with.

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Comment #112: q1111  on  08/04  at  06:21 AM

The “adults trying to keep teenagers in the dark about unpleasant realities” part of HP didn’t ring false to me, honestly, because it’s something that adults do in real life all the time (see: sex ed) even if doing so is both stupid and dangerous.

Comment #113: stogoe  on  08/04  at  04:26 PM

because it’s something that adults do in real life all the time (see: sex ed) <strike>even</strike> especially if doing so is both stupid and dangerous.

FIFY.

Comment #114: Atheist, A Feminist  on  08/04  at  05:25 PM
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