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The classy racist voice of the GOP base: witness this Teabagger phone call

No surprise here from the GOP base. Blender Kel Munger of the Sacramento News & Review covered the teabaggers in that part of the world this week and has a great description of the event in the post “Revolt of the frightened, middle-aged white tea-baggers”:

The stage was set up way to the front of the west capitol steps rather than near the steps, which crowded the audience into a much smaller space. Figures; it made 5,000 people (guestimate based on number of rows times number of people in the third from the back row, which I cut through to get out of the crowd) feel more like 10,000 because the crowd area was small and packed.

Second, this was all about the over-40 white people (only person of color I saw in the whole place who wasn’t wearing a police uniform was a brave Black man on a bicycle who rode by with a “Fox Sucks” sign shouting “Fox can teabag me!”). Men outnumbered women about three to one.

Third, there was plenty of wingnuttery: the usual “Abolish the IRS” and “Return to the gold standard,” as well as one guy who kept saying, “They‘re committing treason. Hang ‘em all!”

Fourth, nobody seems to grasp that the Obama administration was not the author of TARP. They seem to have forgotten that a Bush administration ever existed, and the anger at President Obama ranged from the usual accusations of socialism (except for the guy with a sign equating him to Hitler—I think that’s an accusation of fascism) to several signs with variations of “OBAMA: One Big Awful Mistake, America.”

But the fun part is that Kel received a classic voicemail from an irate female teabagger.

Uh, yeah, Kel, my name is Liz and I was at the same Sacramento tea party you were. And I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about about the black stuff, you’re probably black yourself, I guess. I don’t know whether you’re some kind of hate monger … maybe goes with your last name, Munger.

Anyway, as far as the black people showing up, there were quite a few black people and they were probably intelligent ones that weren’t home on welfare where the rest of ‘em probably were, and a lot of hispanics that we’re paying for that are illegally here. So next time you write an article you better write it right because there was a black man that sung the tea party song in case you missed that one, and there was also a black guy from Hollywood, a comedian, who was up there speaking to the crowd.

The next time you decide to write your slanted view get your fucking facts straight you fucking asshole.

Click over for his reply. Below the fold, KO and Janeane Garofalo gab about teabagger bigots.
Keith Olbermann and Janeane Garofalo discussed this phenomenon of teabaggers who are so upset by Barack Obama “presidenting while black” that these events are serving as their outlet to vent their overflowing sense that white privilege is under assault. Nah, those teabaggers weren’t racist....

GAROFALO:  They don‘t know their history at all.  This is about hating a black man in the White House.  This is racism straight up.  That is nothing but a bunch of tea bagging rednecks.  And there is no way around that.  And, you know, you can tell these type of right-wingers anything and they‘ll believe it, except the truth.  You tell them the truth and they become—it‘s like showing Frankenstein‘s monster fire.  They become confused, angry, highly volatile.

That guy caused in them feelings they don‘t know because of their limbic brain—we‘ve discussed before, the limbic brain inside a right-winger or Republican or conservative or your average white power activist - - the limbic brain is much larger in their head space than in a reasonable person.  And it is pushing against the frontal lobe.  So their synapses are misfiring.

Is Bernie Goldberg listening?  Bernie might not have heard this when I said this the first time.  So, Bernie, this is for you.  It is a neurological problem that we‘re dealing with.

OLBERMANN:  Well, what do you do about it, though?  I mean, our friend in Pensacola there, who played them like a three dollar fiddle.

GAROFALO:  Yes.

OLBERMANN:  And led them right down the garden path with nothing but facts, and then they went, wait a minute, that doesn‘t sound like Rush Limbaugh.  If you can‘t—

GAROFALO:  Right.

OLBERMANN:  If you can‘t get them to make that last leap to what are we all doing here, Howard Johnson is wrong.

GAROFALO:  Yes.

OLBERMANN:  How do you break through that?

GAROFALO:  I don‘t think you do, for most of them.  This is a pathological—it‘s almost pathological or elevated to a philosophy or lifestyle.  Again, this is about racism.  It could be any issue, any port in a storm.  These guys hate that a black guy is in the White House, but they—they immigrant bash.  They pretend taxes and tea bags—like I said, most of them probably couldn‘t tell you thing one about taxation without representation, the Boston Tea Party, British imperialism, whatever the history lesson has to be.

But these people always—unless there‘s some people with Stockholm Syndrome.

OLBERMANN:  I didn‘t see them.  They were in the back.  They weren‘t near the cameras, which is bad strategy on the part of the people staging this at Fox.

GAROFALO:  True.  And Fox News loves to foment this anti-intellectualism.  That is their bread and butter.  If you have a cerebral electorate, Fox News goes down the toilet very, very fast.  It is sick and sad to see Neil Cavuto doing this.  They‘re been doing this for years.  That‘s why Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch started this venture, is to disinform and to coarsen and dumb-down a certain segment of the electorate.

But what is really—I didn‘t know there were so many racists left.  I didn‘t know that.  As I said, the Republican hype in the conservative movement has now crystallized into the white power movement.

OLBERMANN:  Is that not a bad long-term strategy.  Even though—your point is terrifying there are that many racists left.

GAROFALO:  Right.

OLBERMANN:  The flip side of it is there aren‘t that many racists left.

GAROFALO:  You‘re the minority, literally tens of people showed up to this thing across the country.

OLBERMANN:  But if you spear your television network or your political party towards a bunch of guys who are just looking for a reason to yell at the black president, eventually you will marginalize yourself out of market, won‘t you?

GAROFALO:  No.  Here‘s what the right-wing has—there are no shortages of the natural resources of ignorance, apathy, hate sphere.  As long as those things are in the collective conscious and unconscious, the Republicans will have some votes, and Fox News will have viewers.  What else have they got.  If they didn‘t do that, who‘s going to watch?

I mean, they have tackled that elusive clam—I said clam—you know, the clam demo, the 18 to 35 clam demo.  Klan, with a K, demo.  Who else is Fox talking?  What is it, urban older white guys, and the girlfriend—you know, the women who suffer from Stockholm Syndrome again.  There‘s a lot of Stockholm Syndrome, is what I‘m saying, ultimately.

What else you got?  What do you want to know?

OLBERMANN:  What if somebody was at one of these things hurts somebody.

GAROFALO:  That is an unfortunate byproduct, since the dawn of time, of a volatile group like this of the limbic brain.  Violence, unfortunately, may or may not ensue.  It depends on immigrant bashing and hating the black guy in the White House.  Will people act on that?  It‘s not new.  But, you know, Fox doesn‘t mind fomenting it.  Michelle Bachmann doesn‘t mind fomenting it.  Glenn Beck doesn‘t mine fomenting it.

OLBERMANN:  Lou Dobbs.

GAROFALO:  Lou Dobbs.  Oh, man.  But what have they got if they don‘t have this?  You know what I mean?  It‘s like identity politics of the worst kind.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 08:18 PM • (30) Comments

The whole pathological bit does bother me ... in some ways I agree, but then I think about how some wingnuts choose to characterize homosexuality as a pathology.

I think the general gist of what is being said here is true ... I simply reject the packaging. Pseudoscience and ascribing innate physical pathology to disagreement are not appropriate.

Comment #1: Ms Kate  on  04/18  at  09:53 PM

Cosign Ms Kate. It doesn’t serve any purpose to pretend that we all are innately better than these people because of some accident of brain chemistry. We just got brought up differently, or managed to pull ourselves out of this kind of fearful and ignorant and hateful downward spiral. I flinch anytime someone wants to talk about the size of some part of the brain as having much of a role in how people act. What, we’re going to start measuring skulls and determining political parties (or reproductive fitness) from that now?

I mean, it’s obvious that these people are *straight up* undeniably racist (and maybe a lot of them *do* have some sort of underlying psychological problem), but pretending that racism is some sort of crazy winger anomaly isn’t helpful.

Comment #2: Bagelsan  on  04/18  at  10:21 PM

Yeah, her trip about the limbic brain bothers me too. It’s a kind of othering that makes me uncomfortable, in a similar way as saying that Hitler was a unique monster. He was a fucker, sure, but well within the spectrum of humanity, just like teabaggers are.

Comment #3: banisteriopsis  on  04/18  at  10:27 PM

Exactly banisteriopsis.  It makes it so much easier to deny our own biases and ignore our own stupid ingrained thinking patterns if we make these extreme people - some of whom really are mentally ill - out to be something essentially and fundamentally different from ourselves.

Garafalo is travelling a very dangerous roadway here - particularly since she is revealing her lack of understanding of science by her misuse of culturally-constructed tropes - aka popular meta-science.

Comment #4: Ms Kate  on  04/18  at  11:00 PM

I’m not positive that Garafalo’s characterization of this being a “limbic brain” thing was necessarily mean to be taken at face value, I think she might have been speaking satirically.

The way I see it, there really is no logical explanation for the behavior of these folks, so Garafalo was saying in a snarky way, “their behavior makes no logical sense, so they must be fucked in the head.”

Think about it… is what the GOP is selling really going to be more beneficial to the vast majority of these folks than what the Democrats are selling?

If we’re talking about middle-class Americans, folks under that $250K/year threshold, which presumably the vast majority of the teabaggers are, how is it truly in their best interest to protest the economic policies of a president and a party who will arguably provide them more economic freedom than the other side will?

There is no logical argument for a typical teabagger to join that cause out of economic self-interest, which is what they purport to be doing.

The GOP isn’t just screwing POCs, women, LGBTs, young people and poor people… they’re screwing middle-aged, middle-class straight white people, too, the very folks joining the Teabagging Crusade.  The only natural allies of the GOP are straight, white, bigoted Christian males over 40 who make more than $250,000 per year, a group of people who represent less than 1% of America.

These folks are all nothing more than useful idiots being led off a cliff, and Glenn Beck has become their Pied Piper.  The economic policies of progressive Democrats will benefit these folks FAR more than those of the conservative Republicans - as they did throughout the 1990s (though I wouldn’t exactly call Clinton a “progressive”).  They have nothing to personally gain by supporting this idiot cause other than being able to satiate their own racist fervor.

Garafalo is half-jokingly observing that these folks must have serious mental defects, because what they are in fact doing is cutting off their own noses to spite their faces.

Comment #5: DTG in STL  on  04/18  at  11:03 PM

Yeah, I thought it was hyperbole. But I understand what some of you are saying about the inherent danger in declaring “these people are not like us!” We all selectively filter information and wedge it into our mental schemata, and remain willfully ignorant (if not fearful and angry) about of much of the rest of it. Cognitive dissonance and all that. Differences in this process are far more significant between individuals than between groups.

Comment #6: Liz212  on  04/18  at  11:36 PM

The way I see it, there really is no logical explanation for the behavior of these folks, so Garafalo was saying in a snarky way, “their behavior makes no logical sense, so they must be fucked in the head.”

Think about it… is what the GOP is selling really going to be more beneficial to the vast majority of these folks than what the Democrats are selling?

You know what DTG in STL, this is getting to be sort of a pet peeve of mine. Progressives think conservatives are irrational. Progressives think progressives are logical. Well maybe we are. But scratch any progressive, any conservative, any socialist, any green, and you’ll get to irrational, emotional territory before long. Centuries ago, Niccolo Machiavelli said, “The distinction between children and adults, while probably useful for some purposes, is at bottom a specious one, I feel. There are only individual egos, crazy for love.”

We all run on emotion. And when our emotions fight with our reason, our reason usually loses. I wish more progressives would appreciate this simple truth. We gain nothing by telling ourselves that we are some kind of ultra-rational ubermenches. We’re just some people who believe in a certain ideological standpoint. That is all we are.

And of course you’re right that Garofalo is speaking satirically. And she’s funny—why deny it. But sometimes, this kind of joking—can make the problem worse.

Comment #7: atheist  on  04/18  at  11:55 PM

DTG, are you saying that Garafalo was dog whistling to us?  That sort of “well you just have understand this and know that” is a hallmark of dogwhistle politics.

Comment #8: Ms Kate  on  04/18  at  11:57 PM

I agree with Ms. Kate. I reject that packaging too. I think I also reject that this is all racism. Well, to some degree anyway. I’m not rejecting it completely. But it seems to simple a label I guess. If anyone read Amanda’s post the other day about the Obama admin. seen as illegitimate, I think that hits the argument in better form. Olberman and Garafolo do speak on some points later in the piece that I think exposes the argument better of why the tea baggers are so beguiled and bewildered, but to just say racist I don’t think unpacks the full story here.

Comment #9: Danzig  on  04/19  at  12:22 AM

Shorter teabagress: Why do all these n***ers keep calling me racist?

Comment #10: tb  on  04/19  at  12:31 AM

You know what DTG in STL, this is getting to be sort of a pet peeve of mine. Progressives think conservatives are irrational.

I don’t think all conservatives behave irrationally.  If, for example, you are a multi-millionaire corporatist who has increased your wealth massively under conservative fiscal policy and wish to pass it on to your next of kin without having it heavily taxed, it makes perfect logical sense to me why you would vote for a Republican over a Democrat.  The irony being, America’s two wealthiest citizens appear to have voted for the Democrat (I know Buffett did, and given the conservative disdain for Gates’ support of the WHO, I imagine he likely did as well), when it was against their own personal economic interest to do so.

I’m speaking mainly in terms of preserving one’s own economic self-interests, here.  One of the main talking points of the Teabag Movement was that it would give people an opportunity to protest against tax policies that they feel would hurt them, except the problem is, the vast majority of the people at those protests have arguably BENEFITTED from Obama’s tax policies, unless one believes that the majority of the teabaggers were in the $250K+ income bracket.  I don’t believe that for a second.  I drove by my local teaparty, and these weren’t millionaires complaining, or even multi-hundred thousandaires.  These were average middle-class folks, 99% of whom I imagine have directly benefitted from a tax policy they claim will hurt them.

And that, to me, is highly irrational thinking.

I guess my bottom line is that, unless you are in the top 5% of the American income distribution scale, you have no rational reason to support the GOP for economic reasons.

Comment #11: DTG in STL  on  04/19  at  12:31 AM

DTG, are you saying that Garafalo was dog whistling to us?  That sort of “well you just have understand this and know that” is a hallmark of dogwhistle politics.

Well, she did begin her career doing stand-up comedy, and snark and hyperbole are frequently-used tools of the trade among political humorists.

Comment #12: DTG in STL  on  04/19  at  12:46 AM

I don’t think all conservatives behave irrationally.  If, for example, you are a multi-millionaire corporatist who has increased your wealth massively under conservative fiscal policy and wish to pass it on to your next of kin without having it heavily taxed, it makes perfect logical sense to me why you would vote for a Republican over a Democrat.  The irony being, America’s two wealthiest citizens appear to have voted for the Democrat (I know Buffett did, and given the conservative disdain for Gates’ support of the WHO, I imagine he likely did as well), when it was against their own personal economic interest to do so.

DTG in STL, that’s certainly true and a good point. But my point is, not a claim that conservatives actually act rationally, rather that nobody actually acts all that rationally. Not conservatives, not progressives, not libertarians, not anybody. And for progressives to expect people to act ‘rationally’ when we haven’t given them an emotional reason to do so, <u>is folly</u>. Is <u>irrational</u> actually.

It’s like what Amanda gets at saying that there is a logic to the ‘culture war’, that you can never discount these issues that aren’t about economics exactly, that aren’t about security exactly, which instead go right to people’s sense of identity, sense of self. It is a terrain of conflict which touches all the other areas, touches economics, touches security, but is actually separate. I’m saying that is what we are dealing with, and we won’t exorcise it by demanding that humans act ‘rationally’.

Comment #13: atheist  on  04/19  at  12:56 AM

i think that we just are “getting” the rational here.

sure, its totally against the teabaggers economic self interest to oppose Obama.

thing is, their economic self interest isn’t their only self interest.

if one is that invested in a specific, bigoted worldview, seeing a black man (a man who OBVIOUSLY is less than you, made by God that way with a built in detection system via skin color) has got to be horrible. God made you better! you’re white! that means you are the best! it’s AGAINST NATURE for a Black Man to be president!
etc etc etc bullshit.

but these people *REALLY BELIEVE THIS*. they may not run around saying n*gger and k*ke and sp*c at every moment, they may LOOK like nice people - they may even be polite to all the non-white people they know (thinking, wow, this one really rose above his/her circumstances, it really the best of a bad population, or similiar) - but they are totally emotionally and spiritually invested in the worldview that white people are *THE* best people, the smartest, most honest, most hard working, most deserving, most good/pious/Godly. to see a black man in the White House really looks, to them, like a personal attack on them, their worldview, and their God.

and so i think that Garafalo is really kinda right, when she says that you can’t fix that. you can’t change them. maybe a few individuals here or there. they are like they are, they DON’T WANT TO CHANGE. because it would mean that they were *wrong*, that they are NOT “special” by virtue of the accident of birth, that they are NOT the chosen good people of God, that their skin color does not reflect the color of their souls.

they are totally invested in that worldview. it is totally in their self-interest to get rid of the thing that appears to be an attack on them. because thats HOW THEY SEE OBAMA - he is an ATTACK on the good purity of this country, because he is a black man in WHITE House. he is OBVIOUSLY an attack.


i hate it. Obama really looks, to me, like a man trying his damnedest to be a good man, and do a good job. and his job is hard enough without all the extra hate. it doesn’t matter what he does - the man could walk into a teaparty and hand each person there $100 of his OWN money to help them, and all they would see is a black man “tainting” the area.
it makes me want to cry.
its so goddamned STUPID and IGNORANT.

Comment #14: denelian  on  04/19  at  01:11 AM

in case it wasn’t clear, above -

*I* do not think that the color of a person’s skin means anything about that person per se. jusr because one is black or asian or hispanic or whatever, it doesn’t say anything about the time of character you have, how good you are (or aren’t) or *ANYTHING*

i am Native American, i am not white, and i do not believe as the stupid teabagging set does. i was describing how *they* think, not how *I* think.

Comment #15: denelian  on  04/19  at  01:14 AM

thing is, their economic self interest isn’t their only self interest.

they are totally emotionally and spiritually invested in the worldview that white people are *THE* best people,

Right. I think there are some of them who really aren’t that focussed on race, but it seems like a significant driver, as far as I can see. Trying to look into someone’s soul isn’t an easy thing.

But yes, their economic self-interest isn’t their only self-interest. And more generally, “self-interest” is just a ship that floats in an ocean of self-love and emotion.

Comment #16: atheist  on  04/19  at  01:53 AM

The whole pathological bit does bother me ... in some ways I agree, but then I think about how some wingnuts choose to characterize homosexuality as a pathology.

One of my professors in grad school said something about being racist doesn’t hurt the racist and racism won’t go away until racists feel like their views are hurting them. I disagree whole-heartedly with this sentiment. While I wouldn’t use the language Garofalo used, I do think racism and other kinds of hate are part of a psychopathology, because hate is a way to mask one’s fear. Those people protesting Obama are afraid of African Americans and immigrants, and since it’s not manly to be afraid, they turn it into hate. For you and me, walking down the street with people of color is no big deal. It doesn’t affect us negatively. Imagine going outside with a fear of Black people or Hispanics. It probably blows, and the people who have these feelings are in serious need of some therapy.

I think the main difference between calling racism a pathology and calling homosexuality a pathology is that it’s the privileged group labeling homosexuality a pathology. For all their racism, White supremacists are still the “normal majority.” Their privilege still allows them to oppress others while masking their own fears with hate.

Comment #17: Emily  on  04/19  at  02:11 AM

And what’s with the name association thing? You must be a monger because your name is Munger? Does that mean Liz is a human-lizard hybrid?

Comment #18: Emily  on  04/19  at  02:48 AM

“And what’s with the name association thing? You must be a monger because your name is Munger? Does that mean Liz is a human-lizard hybrid?”

Awesome!

Maybe it’s the kind of pathology that comes with being brainwashed… cult members will take to heart whatever they are taught to. I’m not sure this falls so far outside of that. Most of these people will never make the amount of money that any of these policies will affect them, but they protest just the same. And the leaders benefit, not them. Which is what the ‘leaders’ want—an army of disposable supporters.

Comment #19: RacyT  on  04/19  at  03:43 AM

i think that we just are “getting” the rational here.

sure, its totally against the teabaggers economic self interest to oppose Obama.

thing is, their economic self interest isn’t their only self interest.

Of course economic self-interest isn’t the only thing motivating teabaggers.

But the problem is, it was the teabaggers themselves who repeatedly claimed that economic self-interest was the only motivation for these events.

We asked here and elsewhere repeatedly what exactly it was that they were protesting.

The taxes?  Why protest a tax policy that is beneficial to 95% of America, including most teabaggers?  Imagine if I handed you $100 and then you started screaming at me to quit taking money from you.  It. makes. no. sense.

Deficit spending?  Why protest a budget that is no bigger than that of the current president’s predecessor, when you didn’t have a problem with it from 2001-2008?

I watched a little bit of Fox News here and there in the days leading up to the protests and on the day of the protests, and repeatedly whenever Glenn Beck was bloviating about the Teabagging Movement, he kept defending it by claiming that it had nothing to do with Obama, that it wasn’t about Republicans versus Democrats, that it wasn’t ideological in nature, that it was a non-partisan affair, and that the only concern the teabaggers had was that they didn’t feel that the federal government was best serving their economic interests.

It was those extremely disingenuos claims which lead people to question their sanity, because what they claim to be protesting doesn’t make logical sense, and the myriad racist signs attacking Obama personally seem to contradict their claims that “this had nothing to do with Obama.”

Comment #20: DTG in STL  on  04/19  at  03:48 AM

Agree with the commenters here on Garofalo and the conservative brain comments. I think she has a tendency of doing this - I remember another segment on Olbermann where she was talking about libido as driving force of something or other.

Btw, the Sacramento News won’t let me post a comment, but the reply you linked to starts with

“Dear Liz,

Calm down, sweetie. Pour yourself a cup of tea.”

And I always feel like sexism is the right answer to racism, so that made me warm and fuzzy as well.

Comment #21: CassieC  on  04/19  at  05:47 AM

The irony being, America’s two wealthiest citizens appear to have voted for the Democrat (I know Buffett did, and given the conservative disdain for Gates’ support of the WHO, I imagine he likely did as well), when it was against their own personal economic interest to do so.

It’s not against their personal economic interests, because both Gates and Buffett (and many other wealthy individuals) are systematic and long-term thinkers who prosper from the concept of knowledge/talent divorced from entitlement. Those factors prevent them from being corporatists (HNWIs who invest themselves in unsustainable systems for short-term benefit) or the parents and grandparents of trustafarians.

In other words, for all their vast wealth they’re still not greedpigs. Greedpigs are also behaving in their own economic self-interest, but only in the (relative) short-term.

As for the sub-$250k Teabaggers, it is somewhat in their rational self-interest to try to preserve a system that privileges people simply for being white, Xtian and male. They may not be willing to admit that this is what the protests are actually about, and it’s an unsustainable system that’s based on nothing rational, but it’s all that most of these Know-Nothing marks have. Hence the emotionalism.

I’m saying that is what we are dealing with, and we won’t exorcise it by demanding that humans act ‘rationally’.

I agree. One could argue that this is the primary problem ingrained in modern economic thinking, although that’s changing with behavioural economics.

That said, however, I see absolutely no problem in pointing out, with facts and logic, the total absence of rationality in this case, and the surfeit of emotion—especially since the Teabaggers would not find that “womanly” (in their view) characterisation to their liking.

Agreed with Ms Kate and others regarding Garafolo’s baseless comments regarding the limbic brain, although it would be interesting to see which areas of the brain light up in scans when they’re presented with certain keywords and images.

Comment #22: Gracchus.  on  04/19  at  11:45 AM

Oh come on. Janeane cracked me up with the “limbic brain” stuff! She has an admirable deadpan, but she no more believes that - or thinks anyone else will believe it - than she believes the moon is made of Danish Blue.

Comment #23: Shell Goddamnit  on  04/19  at  12:20 PM

Yeah, Garofalo uses deadpan a lot.  No of course she does not believe that one part of one’s brain actually physically interacts with the other part by crowding it out.

Comment #24: Punditus Maximus  on  04/19  at  02:06 PM

Even if Garofalo is joking, there is a need to call her out on stuff like this, lest she end up as little more than our Ann Coulter. And she’s too good for that.

Comment #25: Mark Temporis  on  04/19  at  02:49 PM

“And what’s with the name association thing? You must be a monger because your name is Munger? Does that mean Liz is a human-lizard hybrid?”

I can speak only for myself, but yes, yes it does. Though I prefer the title “Death Lizard” over human-lizard hybrid, or “reptoid”, as David Icke might say. He has TOTALLY blown our cover, the limey bastard.

Comment #26: Liz212  on  04/19  at  03:40 PM

“It makes it so much easier to deny our own biases and ignore our own stupid ingrained thinking patterns if we make these extreme people - some of whom really are mentally ill - out to be something essentially and fundamentally different from ourselves.”

You, madam, have won my heart.  Please allow 6-8 weeks for shipping.

Comment #27: realityfighter  on  04/19  at  04:11 PM

Liz212:
hi! i’m Liz455

i prefer being a “Lizbian”, m’self :D

Comment #28: denelian  on  04/19  at  07:23 PM

Denelian, good to see you back here, particularly since I didn’t get back to you after our brief email exchange. But I do think of the phrase “army of Liz” at least three times a week. smile

Comment #29: Liz212  on  04/19  at  09:42 PM

The irony being, America’s two wealthiest citizens appear to have voted for the Democrat (I know Buffett did, and given the conservative disdain for Gates’ support of the WHO, I imagine he likely did as well), when it was against their own personal economic interest to do so.

It’s not ironic at all, and it’s not against their own economic interest, as these two people have the basic ability to look at long-term planning.  The government doesn’t take taxes just for the fun of it; that money is used to benefit society (yes, I realize that this plan is not carried out perfectly).  Poor, uneducated, unemployed, unhealthy people do not make good consumers.  For example, people who are in debt because of medical bills do not buy as many computers.  The richest people most likely understand that old saying “a rising tide lifts all boats”. 

Anyway, the answer to why these people think the way they do is clearly shown in the picture of a kid holding up a sign.  It’s not pathological; it’s just indoctrinated from a young age.  This group is suspicious of education, making it harder for kids to ever consider a different viewpoint.

Comment #30: bananacat  on  04/20  at  02:16 PM

Liz212

and then i was gone again…
sorry :(

but yes! the mighty Army of Liz!

Comment #31: denelian  on  04/23  at  05:59 AM
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