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The Consent Of The Glibertarian

imageInstapundit takes one of his inadvisable trips out of passive-aggressively quoting people and then pretending that he’s not actually saying anything to argue that the federal government is illegitimate

“Deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” This is boilerplate American history, and something that Americans—and, in particular, America’s political class—have long taken for granted.

But now things are looking a bit dicey. According to a recent Rasmussen Poll , only 21 percent of American voters believe that the federal government enjoys the consent of the governed. On the other hand, Rasmussen notes, a full 63 percent of the “political class” believe that the government enjoys the consent of the governed.

“Consent of the governed” is a standard whose meaning is debatable even for people who actually study political science - does it mean unanimous consent?  Does it mean that all people in the nation have a say in electing their representatives?  Does it allow for an executive with power to appoint officials with enforcement and lawmaking capacity?  These are remarkably complex questions for which there is no satisfactory answer; I’m pretty sure that if anyone is going to answer them, it’s not the sample selection of a Rasmussen poll. 

Of course, Rasmussen does have its “political class” designation, which is based on a rigorous three-question screening process which has the same sort of carefully measured calibration as the animatronic puppets at Chuck E. Cheese asking you if you like fun and pizza.  If you don’t, I’m pretty sure you’re Harry Reid.

So, Rasmussen conducted an essentially meaningless poll showing that the vast majority of “Mainstream Americans” don’t believe that the government lives up to some nebulous and undefined standard of governance, which is as close to scientific evidence as Tea Partiers will ever come.

Let’s roll with it.

But forget the views of America—where, it seems likely, more people believe in alien abductions than in the legitimacy of our rulers—and look just at the more cheerful view of the political class.

Even among the rulers, only 63 percent—triple the fraction of the general populace but still less than two-thirds of the political class—regard the federal government as legitimate by the standards of America’s founding document. The remainder, presumably, are comfortable being tyrants.

I’m pretty sure that Rasmussen doesn’t have the three-question solution to figuring out if they’re talking to Joe Blow, local man of the people, or Gaspar Moneybags Von Politico, conniving villain of socialist Islam.  I’m also pretty sure that statistically speaking, they aren’t talking to a single “leader” at all.  But again, this isn’t about accuracy or coherence or even the actual legitimacy of the government, it’s about taking your crayons and writing some squiggles on a page so that you can show mommy and daddy that you’re a real live scientist philosopher.  And you should also get ice cream, or else they will not have the consent of the cranky.

These numbers should raise deep worries about the future of our republic. A nation whose government does not rest on the consent of the governed is a nation whose government holds sway only by inertia, or by force.

It is a nation vulnerable to political shocks, usurpation, or perhaps even political collapse or civil war. It is a body politic suffering from a serious illness. Those who care about America should be very worried.

Do I not care about America because I think that the rumblings of civil uprising should rest on more than a market research poll for the Tea Party?  Or is this concern trolling just a masked threat?

I’m gonna go with masked threat, but with the caveat that Glenn Reynolds is a white dude, so it’s just going to be a bunch of completely unaffiliated rogue cowboy solider-men doing random crazy shit that’s totally justified. 

But we’ve had enough political drama in recent years, so I’ll go for a more prosaic comparison: The once-heady brew of American freedom has become watery and unsatisfying.

I’m gonna cut out the next four tortured paragraphs of analogy; suffice to say it involves Schlitz beer, “heady brews” and the vague undercurrent of desperate, Schnapps-fueled hookups at CPAC.  Anyway:

It gets worse. Not long ago, the federal government enjoyed a stellar reputation for honesty and competence. Now, according to a recent CNN poll, three-quarters of Americans think federal officials aren’t honest . (There’s no separate survey here on what the “political class” thinks, but I suspect that its numbers would be sunnier, but still appalling, as above). So what do we do with a federal government that many voters think is illegitimate and dishonest?

When the hell did the federal government enjoy a stellar reputation for honesty and competence?  (And no, 2002-era soiled Fruit of the Looms from Chris Matthews don’t count as evidence for this contention.)  Per the conveniently unlinked poll, the surveyed sample thinks that the government’s been dishonest since George Washington was in office.  In fact, here’s what the Polling Director who did the poll says:

“It’s all part of a rich tradition in American history - the belief that politicians are not always telling the truth,” says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

I’m just gonna toss out that Keating Holland sounds like a POLITICAL CLASS name to me, and so he is probably planning to illegitimately dry hump an underage Christian woman made out of tax dollars and confiscated guns.  Or something - Rasmussen’s Political Class fanfic is just so inconsistent!

In the past, America has managed to reinvent itself without transformations as wrenching as the Civil War or the Revolution. As the legitimacy of our current arrangements becomes increasingly threadbare, it is perhaps worth thinking about how this might be accomplished again. Because when a great beer dies, it’s sad. But when a great nation dies, it’s tragic.

Do you get this, people?  America could die - tonight, even! - if we don’t immediately change the hoppy flavor of democracy back to something that has more taste and preferably lets us ignore the people who’ve agreed to have sex with us, like all good beers and democracies do.  The very civilization we have come to love and adore is dying.  And if you love it, you will go back to the old days when George Washington was lying to us about having wooden teeth.

Everyone knows he had a platinum grill. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 03:49 PM • (21) Comments

America’s political class

Define this in real understandable terms and I may take what he means vaguely seriously.  Does he mean elected officials?  People who vote?  I’m utterly confused because he makes no attempt to disassociate the “mainstream” from the “political” except in the classically vague terms of real Americans. 

America has a strong undercurrent of distrust for all levels of government.  Whether it is built on real beliefs, an ancestral group memory, or just the distinction of two different parties who govern against one and other creating it.  But distrust for the government is so amazingly common it shouldn’t even be news.  Note though, that it is the “federal” government run by the evil Islamic fascist nazi black president that is evil.  Our red state government run by people who would cut social programs for their own voters if the federal government didn’t fund them are perfectly good. 

Bah, these kinds of write ups are more frustrating because you can’t deal with them, they’re past the brink of sanity and their likely to explode.

Comment #1: Xeranar  on  03/07  at  05:01 PM

I’m just gonna toss out that Keating Holland sounds like a POLITICAL CLASS name to me, and so he is probably planning to illegitimately dry hump an underage Christian woman made out of tax dollars and confiscated guns.

Do the American political class males have a fetish for papercuts and bruised weenies? Is this anything like the British aristocratic males and transvestisim abnd whippings?  WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

Comment #2: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/07  at  05:11 PM

Rasmussen conducted a meaningless poll? Who ever heard of such a thing?

“The federal government” has been held in especially low esteem ever since Ronald Reagan (or more accurately, his handlers) cobbled together a coalition of Southern and other whites who resented the feds telling them to stop abusing black people, and rich men who resented the feds telling them to pay taxes and stop poisoning the Earth. In the short term, this got Reagan and his acolytes elected. In the long term, it’s making the country close to ungovernable.

Comment #3: Bitter Scribe  on  03/07  at  05:13 PM

Do the American political class males have a fetish for papercuts and bruised weenies? Is this anything like the British aristocratic males and transvestisim abnd whippings?  WHAT AM I MISSING HERE?

Yes - just like Muldoon

Comment #4: firefall  on  03/07  at  06:46 PM

I’m going to skip pointing out how far apart the opposite ends of defining “consent of the governed” are, to say this:

“The once-heady brew of American freedom has become watery and unsatisfying.”
Sam Adams would be devastated to hear that.

Comment #5: Samantha Vimes  on  03/07  at  07:09 PM

Well, I think most people are unhappy with the Federal Government.  It’s broken.

Comment #6: Kwillow  on  03/07  at  07:21 PM

I’m just gonna come right out and say it:

Approximately 100% of the time, political opinion polling is pure, unadulterated bullshit. It’s never been anything other than self-justifying pap for whomever commissioned the poll.

Comment #7: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  03/07  at  07:21 PM

(1) Are you telling me that this fucking douchebag really truly made an analogy between the demise of Schlitz motherfucking beer and the collapse of the United States of America?

(2) People think the federal government sucks ass because this fucking douchebag’s most favoritest bestest politicians have spent the last fifty years trying to fuck it up as badly as possible.

Comment #8: PhysioProf  on  03/07  at  07:35 PM

Agreed, it’s all spin management and BS.
The governement is illegitimate when lead by Dems - you badmouth it, impeach it, call it slutty, joker-lead, wrongly birthed, etc,.
It must be followed unquestioningly when lead by Repubs: treasonous backroom deals (iran-contra) are ignored, coke use and AWOL military status is just not paid attention to (the east-coast cowboy), etc.

Comment #9: dustbunny44  on  03/07  at  07:46 PM

PhysioProf wins.

Comment #10: felagund  on  03/07  at  11:41 PM

Jon Stewart still said it best: they confuse “tyranny” with “losing.” 

It’s the “I’ll just take my ball and go home” school of democracy.

Comment #11: Captain Bathrobe  on  03/08  at  01:15 AM

odd, i thought chicken little had the “the sky is falling, the sky is falling!” concession? did she license it out?

Comment #12: cpinva  on  03/08  at  02:46 AM

PhysioProf wins.

Heh. Indeed.
wink

Comment #13: Steve LaBonne  on  03/08  at  10:53 AM

Gee, whatever happened to the proud announcement that the president didn’t make decisions according to polls and focus groups?

Comment #14: paul  on  03/08  at  11:36 AM

The difference between glibertarians and anarchists: we both oppose the federal government, but the parts of it that they really get angry about are the parts that we feel are its only saving graces. Us anarchists are kind of like an atheist who has to begrudgingly admit that religious organizations occasionally spend part of their immense estates doing charity work, whereas the glibertarian equivalent would be someone who claims anti-theism but only ever complains about church charity work while not-so-secretly admiring the Inquisition.

Comment #15: BlackBloc  on  03/08  at  11:50 AM

Trickle down economics is very main stream - you just stand under the main stream and get lots of trickle down.

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  03/08  at  12:28 PM

Ms Kate:

If you go to CafePress or Zazzle and make a bumper sticker out of that, I might buy it.

Comment #17: BrianX  on  03/08  at  04:57 PM

This guy has a good takedown: http://fabiusmaximus.wordpress.com/2010/03/10/consent/

Comment #18: atheist  on  03/10  at  07:35 AM

I always thought “Consent of the governed” was a description, rather than a proscription. The idea of “consent of the governed” was being presented in opposition to the Divine Right, which was how many of the European monarchies had justified their power.

So the way we’ll know that the American Government has lost the consent of the governed will be when they stop consenting to be governed, not when a bunch of people whine to pollsters about it.

Comment #19: antimatterspork  on  03/11  at  01:08 PM

Um, I’m going to bet that a good half of those saying the federal government wasn’t acting legitimately were talking about stuff like, you know, torturing innocent people, kidnapping and locking people up without trials, the Supreme Court stealing the 2000 election, etc.

All that stuff which the right wing approves of.

Trouble is, a vaguely worded poll gives very little information.  Mixing up tea partiers with democratic socialists doesn’t get you a percentage which means anything.

Comment #20: neroden  on  03/14  at  12:42 AM

@#16: I love that, it’s a marvellous description.

Frankly the right wing seems to be very angry whenever the government helps people, and very happy when it tortures and kills people, preferably who’ve done nothing wrong.

Comment #21: neroden  on  03/14  at  12:43 AM
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