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The entitled wingnut and his silencing tactics

Hard as it may be to believe, but the wingnut sense of entitlement reached new levels this week.  No, it’s not when Dr. Tiller’s assassin Scott Roeder called the AP from jail and complained about getting treated like he was in jail for murdering someone, which is just an extension of the attitude you get from “pro-lifers” who go into clinics for abortions and demand to wait in a separate room from all the trash who got there by fucking.  It came from this bizarre episode, where David Letterman made a joke about Sarah Palin bringing her daughter to a Yankee game, where she got knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.

Wingnuts are trying out this new word “misogyny” lately, though it’s clear that they don’t know what it means, and think that the definition is, “Insulting the purity of conservative royalty.”  Granted, it’s hard to pretend that Bristol Palin is a virgin, but they lucked out, and the daughter that Palin took is 14-year-old Willow.  The word “rape” is getting tossed around, though it’s entirely unclear if the joke writers realized that it was the virgin daughter instead of the disgraced daughter of the new right wing royalty, and I suspect that they didn’t.  What is clear is that if it were the daughter of someone who is not right wing royalty, this wouldn’t be an issue.  The main problem here is that jokes like these are taken as insults to the tribe.  From a certain perspective, it’s fascinating seeing the old-fashioned patriarchy that right wingers strive to emulate coming out—-insulting the purity of “their” women is how to get to them. 

Alas, they can’t have Letterman executed for insulting the queen’s daughter’s virginity, which belongs to her father and shouldn’t even be referenced by the hoi polloi.  By and large, right wingers prefer to find more vulnerable proxies to work out their anger on—-ordinary people are much easier targets than the establishment or even powerful individuals like Letterman.  But a head must roll for insulting the daughter of the queen, right?  And the winner of the lottery is Roy Edroso.  Who did not make any jokes that could even be construed as rape jokes or slams on the saleable virginity of Palin daughters, but he did make fun of the wingnuts for desperately grasping at smaller and smaller outrage straws

Unfortunately, there isn’t a death penalty yet for bloggers who make fun of the wingnut tribe, but Dan Collins knows that while they can’t have Edroso executed, they can still have a virtual execution of their favorite sort—-let’s get someone fired!  Surely all employers everywhere know that insulting a wingnut is a crime against humanity on the level of being a serial killer and will immediately terminate your employment.  Hopefully, you’ll starve to death, but they’ll take ritual humiliation if that’s all they can get.

You know what? I think maybe I should get the Village Voice editors’ take on this squalid episode. There are some good writers over there. You’re not one of them, Edroso.

Indeed.  Let’s tattle the the Village Voice about Edroso’s wingnut-mocking ways, a job they specifically hired him to do.  That the tattletale thinks that the unmockability of wingnuts is so enshrined in the hearts of anyone who writes a paycheck that you can get someone fired for doing the job they were hired to do is a brand spanking new level of entitlement, a level previously unheard of in the human species. 

There is a point to this.  In the wake of the second act of domestic terrorism in two weeks, the questions about whether or not the constant spew of lies and haterade from the right wing media is a public menace are increasing. (This will immediately be treated by right wingers as a call for government censorship, even though it is not, but obviously, they have trouble telling the difference between being criticized and being forced at gunpoint, which is relevant to this discussion.)  I would also point to the right wing blogs penchant for getting people fired for irritating them as an example of how the attitudes they’re inculcating, especially now that the Republicans are out of power, encourage violence.  While wingnuts will squeal like babies about censorship for merely being criticized, they actually are always on the lookout to silence political opponents by force.  Murder is illegal, but depriving people of their livelihood or privacy is an effective way to send the signal that they will not tolerate criticism or opposition and will silence you by force, if necessary.

Thus the outing of Publius by Ed Whelan is another example.  Whelen didn’t just out him, but linked to his contact page at his place of employment, and certainly to any of us who’ve seen this song and dance before, there’s no doubt that Whelan was hoping to inspire his readers to realize—-as lone wolves, of course, who he certainly didn’t encourage—-that they could start irritating Publius’s boss, with the hope that he’d project that irritation onto Publius and separate him from his employment.  Again, I doubt that’ll happen, but it’s certainly the hope. 

If there’s any doubt that the right is inculcating a tribal identity politics coupled with a strong self-assurance that they have every right to use force to silence opposition, consider this: Operation Rescue is trying to buy Dr. Tiller’s clinic.  I hope this announcement causes the authorities to take the possibility of conspiracy seriously, because while Operation Rescue claims that they had nothing to do with the assassination, what they’re doing is making Dr. Tiller’s clinic a trophy, which shows that a) they totally see this as warfare and b) despite their cowardly denials of responsibility, they’re basically claiming responsibility.

When the use of force to silence your critics is mainstreamed in your movement, and the cowardly move of picking on vulnerable individuals is lauded because hurting someone, anyone just feels so right—-well, it isn’t shocking that some people take the “let’s hurt someone” and “let’s shut them up with force” attitudes to the level of actual violence. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:28 AM • (67) Comments

The main problem here is that jokes like these are taken as insults to the tribe.

They are insults to the tribe.  And they put gaping wounds in the wingnuts’ credibility.  Wingnuts need to be taken seriously.  If you start mocking things like abstinence education or nuking Iran or using tax cuts to solve everything, who is going to champion the “Tax cuts for abstinent teens to nuke Iran Act of 2012”?

We’ve been in a propaganda war for as long as I’ve been alive.  Wingnuts recognize this kind of mockery as a direct assault on their propaganda.  They’d be stupid not to fight back.

Comment #1: Zifnab  on  06/11  at  10:37 AM

Of course they would be, but it’s fascinating how quickly the resort to framing the insults in such a basic, tribal manner.  They’re acting like they’re loyal subjects under a king whose daughters have been insulted by a foreign press.

Comment #2: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  10:38 AM

If he had used the term “popped up” or the term “pop fly” it would have been funnier.  No denying it was a lame joke and pretty questionable.

But this is the party that is effectively run by a man who thinks that callng a young teen ugly because they don’t like their dad is a-okay.  Otherwise, they are totally desperate to keep Palin in the spotlight because she is female and hawt and really all they have. A woman with an apparent disability that keeps her from reading with any comprehension is their guiding light. Sad.

Comment #3: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  10:40 AM

It’s not the second act of domestic terrorism, it’s the third - we’ve had an anti-Christian/anti-US terrorist (the Muslim guy who shot the soldier), an anti-choice/anti-woman terrorist (Roeder), and an anti-Jew/anti-black/anti-Christian terrorist (von Brunn).

Comment #4: Alkaloid  on  06/11  at  10:41 AM

that you can get someone fired for doing the job they were hired to do is a brand spanking new level of entitlement, a level previously unheard of in the human species. 

I dunno - it seems to be a threat against public servants of all sorts in places like the Northeast, where some combination of the Mob and the Political Machines conspire to make certain people untouchable and immune from being ticketed or challenged.

Comment #5: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  10:43 AM

You know, as much as I despise the wingnuts and their hypocrisy, they actually had a point with Letterman’s Palin jokes.

It was pretty obvious to me he was making fun of Bristol (I didn’t know the specific daughter who went to New York was the 14-year-old; now I can see why they were so certain he was talking about her), but making fun of a girl or woman for being the daughter of a celebrity and having something embarrassing and sexual happen to her is still Not Cool. Nor is making fun of a POLITICIAN by calling her a “slutty flight attendant”. The word “slut” should never, ever, ever be applied to a politician for any reason (well, for any reason pertaining to sexuality; if you want to say “Joe Biden was a total slut for credit card companies’ campaign contributions before he became veep”, I’ll accept that. Using slut or whore metaphorically to refer to a politician, preferably a male one, taking corporate money and selling out his principles… that’s okay. Using slut or whore or in fact *any* sexualized epithet to talk about what a female politician looks like, or her presumed bedroom practices… that is just not cool.)

Letterman walked into this one. I may hate Sarah Palin with a passion, but if we defend Letterman for calling her a slut and making jokes about her daughter’s pregnancy, we lose any moral high ground to complain when they do it to Hillary and Chelsea, or Michelle and Sasha or Malia. It’s *wrong*, and it doesn’t stop being wrong just because Palin is a waste of good protoplasm.

Comment #6: Alara J Rogers  on  06/11  at  10:56 AM

They’re acting like they’re loyal subjects under a king whose daughters have been insulted by a foreign press.

Again, they are, she is, and “foreign press” and “liberal night time comedy” are close enough for wingnut tastes.

Palin is the rightful heir to the throne.  Obama is the usurper.  So she’s waiting out in exile while the evil Marxist Media peppers her and her family with slings and arrows, until she has the chance to rightfully reclaim her throne in 2012.

Comment #7: Zifnab  on  06/11  at  10:56 AM

Sadly, this type of reaction is also common among liberals.  Being liberal certainly does not rule out misogyny, and even (relatively) non-sexist liberals can still be offended by insulting the sexuality of their female relatives.  I think this joke was a inappropriate because Willow is only 14 so any sex with a player would automatically be statutory rape.  However, the wingnuts’ reaction is ridiculous, and based on the “honor” of the royal family.  It’s amazing how similar this getting-people-fired thing is like a lite version of an honor killing.

Comment #8: bananacat  on  06/11  at  11:02 AM

Letterman was out of line. And, y’know, seven months late on Palin jokes, too. Not classy.

Comment #9: pseudonymous in nc  on  06/11  at  11:09 AM

I take it the retchwing didn’t notice the whole chiquita banana carmen miranda bit by Dennis Miller?

Comment #10: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  11:11 AM

Alara -

We aren’t defending Letterman.  Not only does he not deserve it (as you pointed out), he doesn’t need it.  These assholes can’t touch him (unless, of course, somebody shoots him, which of course would be tragic and totally unforeseen).  That’s why they’re picking on someone who didn’t say those things about Palin’s daughter (and who, in fact, acknowledged the original joke as inappropriate) but who did have the temerity to mock them for their hypocritical, strategic outrage, and seemed more vulnerable.  Someone has to lose their job for mocking one of their icons, lest people get the idea that it’s safe to offend conservatives.

Comment #11: Seraph  on  06/11  at  11:14 AM

It’s not the second act of domestic terrorism, it’s the third - we’ve had an anti-Christian/anti-US terrorist (the Muslim guy who shot the soldier), an anti-choice/anti-woman terrorist (Roeder), and an anti-Jew/anti-black/anti-Christian terrorist (von Brunn).

Don’t forget the neo-nazi who shot those cops in Philly…

Comment #12: Scott  on  06/11  at  11:16 AM

<blokquote>You know, as much as I despise the wingnuts and their hypocrisy, they actually had a point with Letterman’s Palin jokes.</blockquote>

Unfortunately, that’s not the point they’re trying to make.  They don’t actually care about statutory rape unless it’s one of their own.  They have no problem making misogynistic jokes—they’re just JOKES!  PC is so unKOOL—as long as they aren’t directed at Conservative targets.

It makes me a little sad to hear them defending Willow and blaming crappy fact-checking b/c they are really just trying to use our “tactics” against us.

They actually don’t give a shit about Willow, except as using her as a cudgel to promote St. Palin of No Abortion.  They would like to slam Letterman b/c he tweaked Bush and O’Reilly. 

The other sad thing is that mainstream liberals are often misogynistic, and jump right into the mud by defending Letterman’s joke as just a joke.

It was a crap joke, it was poorly researched, it was sloppy and unprofessional.  The target of the joke is irrelevent b/c the setup is based on misogyny and slut-shaming.

The Conservatives are just up in arms b/c of the target.  In other situations, when the target is a liberal, they are quite comfortable with the misogyny and slut-shaming.  When those occur in the future, we can remind them of their outrage when the target was one of their own.

They still won’t get the hypocrisy.  It’s all about the team to them, not individual rights.  For them, it’s not the joke, it’s the target.  For us, it should be the opposite, but from all the Mann Coulter jokes out there, we obviously miss the ideal as well.

Comment #13: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/11  at  11:18 AM

Agreed, Caren, but if people can’t be bothered to read the analysis that Amanda put forth, I doubt they’ll read yours. :D

Comment #14: Mighty Ponygirl  on  06/11  at  11:20 AM

Don’t forget the neo-nazi who shot those cops in Philly…

Or Adkisson.

Comment #15: Seraph  on  06/11  at  11:21 AM

Don’t forget the neo-nazi who shot those cops in Philly…

And the home grown troupe that mistakenly believed that conversion to islam required them to bomb something jewish or something.

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  11:23 AM

It’s all about the team to them, not individual rights.

Whoh!  Communist!

Comment #17: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  11:24 AM

I was about to say “But Letterman really was being a serious dick,” when I read this from Dan Collins:

“You don’t think the idea of his being dialloed with a baseball bat for being a 27th level nasty cocksucker priest of vicious filth is funny? Screw you with the poxy dildo you rode in on. You’ve got no sense of humor.”

The whuh..what now? Jesus.

Comment #18: m_leblanc  on  06/11  at  11:36 AM

You’re walking a fine line, ALara, and I think you’ve crossed it.  Making jokes about Bristol’s pregnancy is different than making jokes about Malia and Sasha, or about Piper Palin.  One, there’s a difference between underage and adult or almost (that it was the 14 y o instead of the 18 y o? not sure if that was just an error or what - they do look remarkably similar.)  Two there’s a difference between demonstrably sexually active and someone just guessing.  Three , the Palins are the ones who validate the use. Bristol has openly discussed her sexuality on TV. Four, Palin is the one who touts abstinence, etc for everyone else’s kids and yet can’t keep her own kids toeing the line. Making fun of hypocrisy is always OK.  Five Palin senior, uses all the tropes of a feminine tease - the winks, the snideness and snipey-iness about others, and yes, even the casualness persona.

That last is hard to explain, because the Obamas aim for casualness, too, but there seems to be an innate dignity to them (and no, I’m not just being partisan) even when they’re relaxing.  While with Palin, it seems as if the struggle is that the casual (sloppy, bad pronunciation, not the brightest bulb) reality is what gets hidden behind an attempt at dignity.

Comment #19: phylosopher  on  06/11  at  11:44 AM

What was anti-Christian about Von Brunn? Was he one of those Aryan Nation yahoos who try to become a Norse pagan of some sort? I’d also catologue the dude form Arkansas as, at least per the AP, justifying himself by saying the U.S. attack on Iraq meant it was okay for him to shoot U.S. soldiers in Arkansas, not that he had to make war on Christians. I think he’d still have shot Sgt. Schwimmer or even Sgt. Abdullah, just so they had the uniform on.

Whatever flavor, they’re all rightwing terrorists.

I think I agree with Caren on Letterman’s joke, but part of the joke is also that ARod has sex with everyone in sight. So it’s somewhat of mitigating of the double standard, no? Or is my vague impression that Rodriguez has that rep incorrect?

Comment #20: witless chum  on  06/11  at  11:48 AM

I think I agree with Caren on Letterman’s joke, but part of the joke is also that ARod has sex with everyone in sight.

Then maybe the joke should have been on A-rod and been couched in wonderfully borderline baseball jargon ... something like “Did you see what happened?  During the seventh inning, A-rod popped up to Sarah Palin?”  or “caught A-rod’s pop fly in the outfield”.

Comment #21: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  11:52 AM

The joke was bad and should not have made it out of the writers’ room, but not as dumbly vicious as that time that Limbaugh joked about the new White House dog and held up a picture of Chelsea.

Comment #22: Dr. Locrian  on  06/11  at  11:57 AM

Mr. Letterman was utterly wrong and low-rent.  Period.  It was Willow’s picture on the screen.  It would have been unacceptable anyway. 

What bothered me, really, was how Governor Palin exploited the situation to make a general anti-media statement.  I think she ‘used’ her daughter for points.  She just couldn’t resist being a wingnut.  As bad or worse than what Letterman did.

Comment #23: Magis  on  06/11  at  12:09 PM

It was Willow’s picture on the screen.

I’m willing to say that this is where it crosses the line from mockery of public figures for sport to beating up on a teenager just because she has a creepy mother.

Comment #24: Tyro  on  06/11  at  12:18 PM

Stupid and lazy joke—not cool to pick on kids. Her horror-show of a mother should provide Letterman’s writers with years’ worth of material.

Now Dr. Tiller’s assassin whingeing about being thrown in jail: that’s comedy gold.

Comment #25: Gracchus.  on  06/11  at  12:28 PM

What was anti-Christian about Von Brunn? Was he one of those Aryan Nation yahoos who try to become a Norse pagan of some sort?

Nope. He was pretty much your standard anti-papist in the American/KKK mold.

Comment #26: Sarcastro  on  06/11  at  12:28 PM

witless chum, yes, von Brunn was a Nordic pagan type. Don’t know if he actually started worshipping Thor and all that, but he was definitely an anti-Christian ideologue; Christianity is the false religion of weakness that the perfidious Jews use to undermine the Aryan people, donchaknow. The anti-Christianity of these types is usually masked by the fact that Christians are actually down somewhere on their List of Evil, way behind the Jews and the blacks.

Comment #27: Alkaloid  on  06/11  at  12:33 PM

Typical.  I’d call it “tribal politics” but that would probably be an insult to actual tribal people, but I haven’t come up with a better term for it. The closer to home, the greater the outrage.  When it’s a member of that Other Tribe We Don’t Like who gets slammed, sometimes we don’t even notice, let alone care.  If we’re meanspirited we even feel an evil glee over it.  A human failing.

Comment #28: The Hedonistic Pleasureseeker  on  06/11  at  12:38 PM

Letterman was out of line AND the joke wasn’t funny. A twofer.

Roy making fun of you for being upset at a bad joke IS hilarious, because he is one of the better writers at VV.

Comment #29: Mark  on  06/11  at  12:50 PM

Let’s put this into its proper perspective, shall we?

Right side: Screaming, shouting & slurring over mostly imaginary infractions going on 24/7 from the likes of Faux News & Rush. Inspired wingnuts going into public places like churches & museums and actually killing people. 

Left side: The occasional tasteless joke.

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!!!! LIBERALS ARE SUCH SCUM!!!

Then again, how do these people even KNOW that this was a tasteless joke, since you can often tell the wingnuts from the rest of the population by their complete & total lack of a funny bone.

Comment #30: MHF  on  06/11  at  01:02 PM

It’s not the second act of domestic terrorism, it’s the third - we’ve had an anti-Christian/anti-US terrorist (the Muslim guy who shot the soldier), an anti-choice/anti-woman terrorist (Roeder), and an anti-Jew/anti-black/anti-Christian terrorist (von Brunn).

What about the anti-immigration shooter in Binghamton? Or the gun nut in Pittsburg? People’s memories are too short.

Comment #31: MissCherryPi  on  06/11  at  01:12 PM

“What about the anti-immigration shooter in Binghamton?”

The shooter who was an immigrant? I think they wound up being pretty sure was acting based on personal motives rather than political ones.  He had reportedly been taking language classes at the center he shot up.

Comment #32: preying mantis  on  06/11  at  01:20 PM

Roy making fun of you for being upset at a bad joke IS hilarious, because he is one of the better writers at VV.

The fact that the right wingers are just about as upset at Roy as they are about Letterman is really telling.

Bad, tasteless jokes are par for the course in right-wing circles. You don’t see them getting indignant about that, do you? This is all about defending their tribe and a (futile) attempt to stop making their side targets of derision and mockery.

Comment #33: Tyro  on  06/11  at  01:26 PM

WRT Operation Rescue’s ghoulish demand to buy Tiller’s clinic - it reminded me of something I read about lynchings.  They targeted prosperous black people, and after they were murdered, the members of the mob used the legal system to steal whatever property the victim left behind.

And so it is with pro-life lynchings.

Comment #34: Drew  on  06/11  at  01:29 PM

Peeps, stop nitpicking over how many terrorist incidents Amanda didn’t cover.  It’s annoying, and I can one-up anyone with obscure terrorism events, ok?  Treat it like an Yglesias grammar whoopsie, accept the obvious point, and move on.

Comment #35: shah8  on  06/11  at  01:34 PM

I combed over my post to see where I defended Letterman, and since I don’t see it, I’m rejecting that threadjack.  I’m also rejecting the trap set up for feminists by wingnuts.  They’re trying to get us to agree that the only legitimate form of feminism is defending “virtuous” women against jokes that we will have to submit to, because we’re not virtuous.  I’m not buying it. 

Yeah, it’s a stupid joke, but Bristol Palin, who has chosen to enter the public sphere as an abstinence advocate, is no longer off-limits, and pointing out her hypocrisy is fair game.

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  01:41 PM

Also, Zif, I don’t get your point.  Why is illegitimate for me to point out that wingnuts, for all their cries of “misogyny!” are behaving like old-fashioned patriarchs, and for all their talk about democracy, are clearly royalists?

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  01:42 PM

Shah8, we don’t care whether Amanda covered them or not - we are simply trying to add it all up and look for patterns.

Comment #38: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  01:50 PM

“witless chum, yes, von Brunn was a Nordic pagan type. Don’t know if he actually started worshipping Thor and all that, but he was definitely an anti-Christian ideologue; Christianity is the false religion of weakness that the perfidious Jews use to undermine the Aryan people, donchaknow. The anti-Christianity of these types is usually masked by the fact that Christians are actually down somewhere on their List of Evil, way behind the Jews and the blacks.”

Given that I’ve gotten two opposite answers to the question, do you have link? Cause the standard KKK white supremacists are happy with Christianity, except Catholics.

Comment #39: witless chum  on  06/11  at  02:02 PM

They’re acting like they’re loyal subjects under a king whose daughters have been insulted by a foreign press.

Hey!  As someone who is actually part of a nominal monarchy, go right ahead and insult the royal family.  Everybody else does.

Comment #40: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  06/11  at  02:26 PM

Ulch. I apologize for the link, but you asked. http://revisionistreview.blogspot.com/2009/06/james-von-brunn-hated-christianity.html

Comment #41: Alkaloid  on  06/11  at  02:31 PM

This is round 45,814 in the endless game of “Gotcha!” that American politics has become.

Comment #42: Bitter Scribe  on  06/11  at  02:42 PM

Ms Kate, *my* point is that there are quite a few hate crimes that never even broach much past the local media.  You *can’t* add it up, not without spending lots of time reading many local online newspapers regularly.  You can get a more global view at places like Orcinus, or the Southern Poverty Law Center website :http://www.splcenter.org/index.jsp and the Intelligence Report magazine…

The extra examples only reinforce a pattern already mentioned in the post, and it encourages us to mire ourselves in examples and detail perspectives when the post itself is reaching for higher order answers to questions such as how motivations flow to actions.  So I was thinking that this was a threadjack I wanted to stop.

Comment #43: shah8  on  06/11  at  03:25 PM

Hey!  As someone who is actually part of a nominal monarchy, go right ahead and insult the royal family.  Everybody else does.

How come eldest Palin son Transaxel (or whatever the hell his name is) hasn’t followed in the Soldier Prince’s bootsteps yet?

Comment #44: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  03:31 PM

It was Willow’s picture on the screen.

I’m willing to say that this is where it crosses the line from mockery of public figures for sport to beating up on a teenager just because she has a creepy mother.

I agree with everyone saying that Letterman’s joke was crass and inappropriate, but I honestly don’t think his intended target was Willow Palin.  Yes, it was her in the picture, but when I first saw the pic of them at the Yankees game (before the Letterman joke), I assumed tht it was Bristol Palin as well - Willow looks A LOT like her older sister.

While making it about Bristol Palin doesn’t make it a lot better, he was pretty unequivocal about the issue last night when he said that he was talking about Bristol Palin, and that he would never make such a joke about a 14 year old girl.

And if you really think about it… the joke wouldn’t make much sense if it was about Willow rather than Bristol Palin.  Bristol is the one who was famously pregnant.  Willow has never been the subject of media scrutiny in any capacity.  I think Letterman was being honest when he says he wasn’t talking about Willow here, but rather Bristol.

Again, that doesn’t take away from the fact that the joke was still completely tasteless, but it does change the context a bit.

Comment #45: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  03:40 PM

How come eldest Palin son Transaxel (or whatever the hell his name is) hasn’t followed in the Soldier Prince’s bootsteps yet?

Well, to be fair, he has.  Tripp Palin is currently serving in Iraq, and was deployed last fall shortly after his mother become the Vice-Presidential nominee.

Comment #46: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  03:50 PM

And to be further fair, there was some rumor that the insta-enlistment was both at mommy’s campaign behest (yes, they do eat their own) and as a get out of jail free card for some school bus vandalism caper.

Comment #47: phylosopher  on  06/11  at  04:10 PM

And I believe the eldest is Track.  Tripp is the DS baby and Trigg is the grandbaby.  Please keep you White Trash Soap opera characters straight!

Comment #48: phylosopher  on  06/11  at  04:12 PM

Bristol lost her right to be off-limits when she caved and became a public spokeswoman for abstinence.

Comment #49: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  04:37 PM

Which isn’t defending any particular joke or Letterman, but she’s not off-limits.  She’s an adult and a public figure, of her own stated will.

Comment #50: Amanda Marcotte  on  06/11  at  04:38 PM

I honestly don’t think his intended target was Will Palin.

I don’t think it was, either. The context of the joke was that it was clearly mocking Sarah and Bristol. However, more care should have been used to ensure that Willow didn’t end up as collateral damage. Regardless about intent, it’s not fair to Willow to have her picture displayed while making jokes, possibly bad ones, about her sister and mother, both of whom are adults and public figures.

Comment #51: Tyro  on  06/11  at  04:44 PM

And I believe the eldest is Track.  Tripp is the DS baby and Trigg is the grandbaby.  Please keep you White Trash Soap opera characters straight!

My mistake… although I would point out you have the babies backwards - Tripp is Bristol’s baby, and Trig is Bristol’s baby brother who has DS.

Comment #52: DTG in STL  on  06/11  at  04:53 PM

Oh no!!  Looks like I tripped over Tripp and now I’ll have to do the t
Track. Then again, as we were talking rumors, are we finally, really sure whose baby is whose?  And while we’re at it, better make sure if we mention Piper, to clarify if its a form of transportation, a shore bird or the kid.

Seriously, any chance that say AP had a mislabeled photo out there and that what this flap is really about?

Comment #53: phylosopher  on  06/11  at  05:01 PM

Getting lost in all the more important stuff is the fact that David Letterman is not and has never been funny, clever, cute, or insightful, and his writers are pretty much all complete hacks. Most of the rest of the network late-night hosts are even worse, and the few that are better are only marginally so.

Comment #54: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  06/11  at  05:37 PM

Getting lost in all the more important stuff is the fact that David Letterman is not and has never been funny, clever, cute, or insightful, and his writers are pretty much all complete hacks.

Seriously. The joke was a year out of date and missed the target. That annoys me a hell of a lot more than an insult to any Palin or A-Rod’s honor.

Comment #55: junk science  on  06/11  at  07:12 PM

Tripp Palin is currently serving in Iraq

As in “serving his country in a combat unit” or serving as in “you want fries with that SIR!” in the cafeteria in a secure location?

Comment #56: Ms Kate  on  06/11  at  07:17 PM

“Palin senior, (sic) uses all the tropes of a feminine tease - the winks, the snideness and snipey-iness about others, and yes, even the casualness persona.”

So…Palin is a tease? What, did she promise you sex and then not show up, or something? Sorry, but I think that was probably just a dream. A sexy, sexy dream…

Seriously, try not to use misogynist “tropes”- it undermines your panda cred.

Comment #57: Zef  on  06/11  at  08:13 PM

I don’t know why we even bother saying that the Letterman joke was stupid and not funny.  The only thing that would satisfy the wingnuts is scorched earth: a complete and permanent renunciation of Letterman as a perverted, vicious Hollywood/MM shill, a concomitant embrace of a Palinesque purity cult, a stint in a re-education camp, and permanent silence thereafter.  And all that would do is free them up to take down their next enemy.

Comment #58: Larkspur  on  06/11  at  10:21 PM

Getting lost in all the more important stuff is the fact that David Letterman is not and has never been funny, clever, cute, or insightful, and his writers are pretty much all complete hacks.

I don’t entirely agree. He has his moments, humor-wise. But what I can’t stand is the condescension that oozes from every pore, every minute of every show. To me he’s always been a glorified DJ—-one of those jerks who thinks the world exists to amuse him.

Comment #59: Bitter Scribe  on  06/11  at  10:41 PM

The main problem here is that jokes like these are taken as insults to the tribe.

From our perspecitve, it’s a problem, but from theirs it’s a feature. Rightwing movements are tribal phenomenon, held together not by philosophy but by a common enmity for those outside the tribe. This is the rightwing equivalent of howling and throwing feces.

Comment #60: No One of Consequence  on  06/11  at  11:19 PM

I guess that NOW is an evil reich-wing organization:

Comedians in search of a laugh should really know better than to snicker about men having sex with teenage girls (or young women) less than half their age.
The sexualization of girls and women in the media is reaching new lows these days — it is exploitative and has a negative effect on how all women and girls are perceived and how they view themselves. Letterman also joked about what he called Palin’s “slutty flight attendant look” — yet another example of how the media love to focus on a woman politician’s appearance, especially as it relates to her sexual appeal to men. Someone of Letterman’s stature, who appears on what used to be known as “the Tiffany Network” (CBS), should be above wallowing in the juvenile, sexist mud that other comedians and broadcasters seem to prefer.
On that point, it’s important to note that when Chelsea Clinton was 13 years old she was the target of numerous insults based on her appearance. Rush Limbaugh even referred to her as the “White House dog.” NOW hopes that all the conservatives who are fired up about sexism in the media lately will join us in calling out sexism when it is directed at women who aren’t professed conservatives.

Comment #61: Dana  on  06/12  at  10:59 AM

NOW hopes that all the conservatives who are fired up about sexism in the media lately will join us in calling out sexism when it is directed at women who aren’t professed conservatives.

They’re talking about folks like you, Dana.

BTW, nothing Amanda has written here has supported Letterman and his jokes, but you’re at your funniest when you demonstrate your cluelessness, as in this instance. wink

Comment #62: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/12  at  11:25 AM

Which is pretty much all the time.

Sarah Palin doesn’t give a shit about her own daughters, much less the women in her state. Alaska has the worst rate of reported rapes in the country, and then there was the charging-for-rape-kits fiasco. She’s using her daughter here to keep her face in the media. Letterman at least apologized. Palin never will.

Comment #63: ginmar  on  06/13  at  04:21 AM

Letterman always struck me as a Bitter old Bastard, ever since he lost the “Tonight” show to Jay Leno. He knows he’s a ratings loser, and he sucks. He is unfunny. Picking on Palin’s 14 year old daughter and hoping she got date raped was the last straw. This turd should find a toilet and flush himself down it.

Comment #64: EricJG  on  06/13  at  06:49 AM

EricJG, Letterman already explained which of Palin’s daughters’ he was referring to, perhaps you and your buddy Dana could start a Clueless Conservative Commentators Club for FreeRepublic or the RedState website where you could feel more at home than in this portion of the reality-based community.

grin

Comment #65: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  06/13  at  10:03 AM

The misogyny in the comments of this post is appalling.

Comment #66: Azalea  on  06/13  at  01:18 PM

Gee, I guess I missed Letterman’s apology. I did see the mocking non-apology where Letterman attempts to spin his ephebophilic joke into a joke about Palin’s oldest daughter. Pathetic, but apparently the “tribe” bought it and is trying to resell it. Good luck with that.

I’m also curious about the author referring to Bristol Palin as the “disgraced daughter.” Is she “disgraced” because she got knocked up at 17? Or is it because she chose to have the baby? Do you think we should tattoo a scarlet S on her forehead? Was Obama’s mother “disgraced” when she got knocked up at 17?

Comment #67: JPazz  on  06/14  at  12:42 AM
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