Okay, but that one guy in Connecticut—he was brown, wasn’t he?
I mean, at least he was a wee bit swarthy, right?

Why did they throw the book at a guy who turned himself in and prevented his duplicate vote from being counted?  Is there some kind of bizarre fetish for showing how awesome it is that the Bushies are getting away with felonies by punishing us normal folks as completely as possible?

I’m sure you realize that, to a true believer wingnut, the less evidence of fraud there is the more fervently they believe it must have been massive, but covered up by The Evil MarxoFascist Libruls and their MSM handmaidens, while Hussein X Obama sits in his chair in the fraudulently stolen Oval Office, laughing evilly, and plotting to take away all American’s guns and give them to our new Mooslim overlords, who will force all our daughters (but most especially the white ones) to marry them and have serial abortions while praying toward Mecca…

...I haven’t figured out the gay angle yet, but I’m sure it’s there somewhere…

“Is there some kind of bizarre fetish for showing how awesome it is that the Bushies are getting away with felonies by punishing us normal folks as completely as possible?”

Yes…

”...15 years for a $100, that he *returned*.”

Yeah, I read that yesterday.  I couldn’t help thinking that if it was a Hollywood celebrity, or a politician’s offspring, or some such, at worst the punishment would some hours of “community service”, some rehab, and then a year or two later a promotional tour for their ghostwritten book further describing the incident for fun and profit…

We were promised some illicit hordes of brown people tearing down the walls of our voting precincts to propel Obama into office, not Joe Lieberman’s cousin writing in “Big Ole Ballz” for Attorney General.  I want the fucking anarchy I was promised, and I want it now.

I was hoping for something like this.

By not photo ID’ing potential voters, we have no way of knowing how many people are legitimately voting and how many are going from polling place to polling place* and casting ballots under fake registrations.  The liberal crowing about nobody being caught is roughly akin to a storekeeper leaving his store unlocked and unoccupied at night, keeping no records of what his inventory is, not paying attention to what’s in stock, not keeping track of his cash flow, but being satisfied that there’s no theft since he’s never caught anybody at night.

This story demonstrates that: This gentleman would not have been caught if he had not turned himself in.  How many more are out there?

*Bonus points for figuring out which party is likely to have more supporters who are on welfare, not working, and therefore have TIME to go from place to place.

I remember distinctly being told that if Obama captured the Presidency there would be 60s era riots in the streets.  And if he lost the Presidency there would be 60s era riots in the streets.

When do black people get their reparations bills passed?
Why hasn’t the oil industry been nationalized yet?
Where’s my Viva La Revolutionie?!

Allen, a simple audit of the records would detect duplicate registrations, and a few reports would quickly flag people who showed up to their polling place to realize that someone has already voted in their place. The thing is that if fraud is pervasive, then it’s easy to detect just by doing a random sample of the records. Instead of making the obvious conclusion, the right-wingers are just trying to come up with ever more elaborate theories of how it’s actually really s00per sekr1t! It’s a classic conspiracy theory that just becomes more elaborate as the evidence against it gets stronger.

I next leave you with an exercise: a close statewide election of a state like Ohio might be lost by 100,000 votes. How many times can someone vote in a single day? Take into account travel times between polling places and such. I’ll be generous and give them the day off. I’ll be even more generous and say someone can vote 10 times in a day. So you’ve got 10,000 people out there, voting 10 times each, yet somehow no one rats on any of these 10,000 people, regular voter roll reviews (which the anti-fraud demagoguery demanded) results in seeing any false registrations or older registrations that are actually used, and there aren’t any complaints files from voters who see that someone voted in their place, even though this has happened 100,000 times by 10,000 people. Is any of that remotely believable?

I have a recommendation for Deters: for every $600 in his listed salary, we pay him $1. He seems to have no problem thinking the two numbers are equivalent.

What Tyro said. Also note that you have to be able to receive mail at the address you’re registered to vote at - even if you don’t live in a state that regularly tests your address by sending you mail and seeing if it comes back, the registrar has to send you your voter card when you register, and if it gets returned, your registration ain’t going through.

So what you really need is 10,000 people, with 10 different valid addresses apiece (at which the people actually living there won’t write ‘no such person here’ on the voter card mailing and drop it back in the mail), 10 different names and sets of identification data (note once again, all valid ones, and none of the actual owners of those identities can ever try to register for themselves, or the jig is up) - or else you’ll fail duplicate checks - in 10 different precincts (or else the pollworkers might recognize you - and if you’re doing this 10x10,000 times, I pretty much guarantee you some of them will). And the first time you do this, they need at least utility bills in their name at each of the 10 different addresses, or ID showing they live there.

And none of the people involved can ever tell anyone, and no one living at these 100,000 addresses can ever tell anyone, and no one who is in on organizing it can ever decide that they’d rather go to the media with it and cash in on a book deal or something. Just how likely does that sound, exactly?

I mean, I’m sure someone out there is voting dear old Mom’s absentee ballot years after she’s passed away. Or even “Mr. Smith who used to live here and never re-registered at his new address”‘s ballot. But in order to believe in organized, large-scale fraud on a high enough level to tip even a congressional election, you have to believe that a campaign is able to find and orchestrate such large numbers of absolutely trustworthy volunteers who are willing to risk prison to elect their candidate (or pay them enough to buy their silence) that the campaign would be better off just, you know, campaigning.

Evidence of voter fraud is practically nonexistent because as a crime it barely exists - because it’s just not worth it.

I often get the feeling that the people who complain the loudest about voter fraud have never actually voted, because they seem completely unfamiliar with the system and have all kinds of “theories” that are patently impossible to pull off.

I’m not sure why people are trying to argue with Allen: he’s clearly on to us. THE JIG IS UP!

Sadly for him, we have the MSM in our pockets, along with the liberal judicial-activists courts.

His only solution?

TAKE IT TO THE STREETS, MAN!

“Evidence of voter fraud is practically nonexistent because as a crime it barely exists - because it’s just not worth it.”

True, but of course only the wingnut base believes it’s a real problem.  Karl Rove and his evil minion know in reality it’s a talking point, and gets used to impose draconian regulations to “stop voter fraud!” that in reality put impediments in place to reduce voting. 

And just coincidently, those reductions in voting tend to affect Democrats far more than Republicans.  But when the Reichwing can keep idiots like “Allen” up in arms over a non-existent problem, it’s all good…for Republicans…

And Allen, keep drinking that Koolaid.  Sooner or later Greater Wingnuttia will decide it’s not worth going on and really spike it with cyanide…

Allen, your argument would make more sense if it was entirely different, and all those differences made it correct.

TAKE IT TO THE <strike>STREETS</strike> SHEETS, MAN!

Fixed!

Voter fraud, real or potential, could be eliminated tomorrow if people on the right agreed to voter’s list akin to that used by other Western countries.  Link it to the tax records, link it to driver’s license renewals, draft registration, etc., add in a neutral government agency to ensure that people can check and/or correct their registration (or remedy non-registration) in advance et voilà, pretty much every voter is registered and the records kept up to date.  The GOP has fought every such attempt to do this for decades.  (Remember how hard they fought “motor voter”??)

Allen, the gaps in the system are there because the nasty old lefties want to vote twice.  They are there because the GOP wants them there in order to facilitate voter suppression.  Gaps, weirdness and dysfunction within the system provide the necessary excuses for bogus voter challenges, caging, strike-off lists and the like.

typo:
“Allen, the gaps in the system are there not because the nasty old lefties want to vote twice.  “

How anybody with two functioning brain cells could watch the American electoral process and come to the conclusion that the GOP isn’t about voter suppression whenever they can get away with it is beyond me, because that reality is beyond obvious.