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The Hot Issue Of The 2012 GOP Primaries

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My guess?  Overturning Marbury v. Madison.  Ed Whelan spends a rather significant portion of his (limited) mental energy railing against the ideas that a.) times change (THEY DO NOT, he says on a five-pound laptop computer connected to the Internet) and b.) that judges talk funny. 

Rod Dreher is fearful that Christianity itself will be stigmatized should the ongoing march of pretending that gay people aren’t the asshole Mogwai that pop out of good Christian families after you get them wet continue unopposed.  The National Organization for (Some) Marriage (For Some People) says this is a rejection of the family itself, despite clear evidence that a male/female marital partnership isn’t necessary to raise healthy, well-adjusted people.  Representative Steve King declares that judges should stop “making laws from the bench”, because the entire point of our tripartite system of government was that the legislature be given carte blanche to pass whatever laws it wanted until a new legislature came in. 

While I, for one, think an all-powerful and unaccountable-except-for-a-reversible-veto legislature is a bucket of fun, the Supreme Court determined a long time ago (in full view of the bulk of the Founders, mind you) that the courts reserved the right to review legislation.  It works.  It is, on balance, a good thing.  It works against the tyranny of the majority and/or the powerful in dictating to the rest of us how and why we function in America.  It also, at least theoretically, raises the level of interest in an unelected judiciary to a level it otherwise wouldn’t reach.  It’s not perfect, but nothing about democracy is. 

I do, however, predict that this foundational element of American jurisprudence will become part of a populist rallying cry for conservatives in 2012, in which it should be fun to hear months of explanations from Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney about why Brown v. Board of Education was tyranny writ large. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 09:31 AM • (21) Comments

I really hope they do pin their hopes on this.

Most Americans are coming to the conclusion that <strike>GLBTQI</strike> people are people, and that all people are entitled to rights.  If exercising legal rights is a sin to some religion, then those adherents are free to abstain, and thereby secure their god’s holy grace.  Those who adhere to different religions or none at all will find grace in their own manner.

Most Americans are more concerned about the economy and the war.  There’s no excuse for civil/legal discrimination except bigotry and hatred, and there’s no way the ‘moderate’ voices can rail against it without the complete ravers coming out of the woodwork

I hope there are no further UCC-type attacks.  That’s what I fear. 

But crying about people marrying one another?  Not. Gonna. Work. Anymore.  Might as well whine about how black people are so uppity and that whenever you bravely mention that fact, others try to censor you by calling you a racist.

Comment #1: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/04  at  10:25 AM

I think it goes deeper.

I mean, look at them whining that the presidency was “stolen from them” because ACORN registered people to vote who were not Republican, the “get over it” defense of Bush v Gore and the intense Birther insanity whose end goal can be seen in Palin’s cry that because Stevens got off on a technicality, he should trump the election and serve instead of Begich. Look at them whining to the Courts when the voters spoke in Minnesota, still fighting to keep Franken out of Congress and inventing a state-wide conspiracy to “steal the election”. Or all the crap on the state-level when the voters do speak. Recall petitions of elected officials, governors using their veto power when gay rights are passed by legislature, running to the courts for protection when Prop 8 maps came out and people started protesting outside Churches. Heck, look at their constant battle against any extension of voting rights or democracy or how they try and delegitimize all forms of protests until they tried their pathetic Tea Parties.

I mean, yes, they have a special hate for the judiciary that’s been fomenting since Brown vs Board and Roe v Wade and especially hate the idea that groups they hate might have one source of protection they can’t browbeat away by being shrill babies, but more than that, they simply hate American “democracy” (in quotes because I know the system isn’t a genuine democracy). They long for a Christian theocracy and all their complaints are about how they hate living in a country where you can have legal rights to exist without being forced into their particular sect and forced to follow their particular pastor. All the excuses and bullshit about their “specific targets” are just red herrings. They hate that they live in a democracy and that their voices aren’t extra-special better than that of the bisexual commie abortionist just by way of Jesus points.

And since their entire sense of self-esteem is based on that feeling of constant superiority, they need to have legal weight to enforce it, by laws, intimidation, and forcing secular society to adhere to their tenets at its own expense.

Comment #2: Cerberus  on  04/04  at  10:31 AM

Caren-

Isn’t your last sentence their main electoral strategy. Seems that’s been the entire substance of the Southern Strategy for at least 10, if not the full 30 plus years.

Maybe that’s why they’re convinced it’ll work for them if they can just find the right code words.

It certainly seems to be the reason for the shift into the “we’re the real oppressed minority” stance they’ve taken since the Prop 8 backlash.

Comment #3: Cerberus  on  04/04  at  10:35 AM

The lawless judicial attack on traditional marriage and on representative government continues. —  We’re on thin ice in the first sentence…

Since when can the unanimous decision of a state Supreme Court be considered “lawless”?

And after 8-years of The Unitary Executive waving his dick in front of Congress (I think it was Cheney’s dick and Jr. was waving it), how can some Reichwing asshole seriously claim to believe in “representative government”?

The Republican Party abdicated all rights to be taken seriously when it come to the law and the judiciary long ago.  No one should pay any attention at all to their ginned-up outrage over a branch of government trying to see that people are treated fairly…

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  04/04  at  10:53 AM

“...should the ongoing march of pretending that gay people aren’t the asshole Mogwai that pop out of good Christian families after you get them wet continue unopposed.”

LOL.

Comment #5: dooflow  on  04/04  at  12:12 PM

I’m still waiting for an explanation about how universal marriage rights “attack marriage”. 

Unless, of course, your marriage is entirely predicated on having a privilege that other adults are denied and not on love, partnership, companionship, mutual support, etc.

Time to trot out the divorce docket again for all of these “pro-marriage” conservatives.

Comment #6: Ms Kate  on  04/04  at  01:02 PM

Oh, and how exactly do you overturn Marbury v. Madison?  You would need the court to have the authority to decide that it never had the authority to decide ... etc.

Comment #7: Ms Kate  on  04/04  at  02:28 PM

“Nothing about democracy is”

But we don’t have a democracy. We have a republic. If we had a democracy, then none of this would be happening—the people would hold absolute sway, and gays in Iowa would be unable to marry, given that SSM lacks broad support among the electorate.

Luckily, republics are designed to have mechanisms that limit democracy, checking the often prejudicial and tyrannical whimsy of the majority.

Funny how the tables turn. For so long, yelling “WE’RE A REPUBLIC!” was the business of conservatives. Now, it’s liberals who are (smartly) saying as much, while righties pontificate about the sacred General Will, and how it must never be altered or infringed by non-democratic forces.

Comment #8: Pandagon Conservative  on  04/04  at  02:32 PM

We need to go back to Jacksonian democracy, aka “Mr Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”

Comment #9: paul  on  04/04  at  02:34 PM

Cerberus ,

Yeah, they enjoy whinging about what powerless minorities they are, but facts ARE facts, and they do eventually win out.

I’ve rather pleased that the public seems to be rejecting the MSM’s drive to paint Obama as a massive failure.  It seems that Goebbels was wrong.  Repeating lies over and over does eventually convince some people that the lie is the truth, but eventually most people stop trusting those sources.

Sort of a Barnum-Goebbels rule.

It’s like the observations that have been made recently about Limbaugh and O’Reilly:  they have huge audiences for cable/radio outlets.  Their audiences are a very small minority of Americans overall.  Their audiences still believe fact-free hatemongering.  Most Americans don’t.

Comment #10: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  04/04  at  02:52 PM

Caren-

I would actually agree on that and I would thank the internet for that reality. When sources turn out to be lying repeatedly, they stop being trusted and more and more people can look up brief summations of histories with not that much time on google or wikipedia as well as massive documentation of what people said five minutes ago so that the whiplash Big Lie can be compared to statements made last week.

I think that’s why they are thrashing so much lately is because it isn’t working as well for them and like any fight, it really does end the day people actually get to see the future they warned about because progressive change tends to make life better for everyone.

Comment #11: Cerberus  on  04/04  at  03:49 PM

Fuck, another “legislating from the bench” complaint?

Get over it, morons, what you’re describing is their job.  They are supposed to tell the legislature what laws they cannot make and what laws they have to make whenever it becomes apparent that the legislature is failing to do their primary duty of maintaining a government that upholds the principles of the constitution—-for example, upholding the rights of all constituents.

To attack “legislation from the bench” is to put the legislators above the constitution and severely inhibit the right of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

Comment #12: Kyra  on  04/04  at  04:15 PM

Funny how they want to undermine the very legal structures that prevent us atheists from banning their sky fairy cult altogether.

Comment #13: Ms Kate  on  04/04  at  04:19 PM

Kyra:

To attack “legislation from the bench” is to put the legislators above the constitution and severely inhibit the right of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

I’ll put it a little more bluntly: to attack “legislation from the bench” is to demonstrate that you are worthless, shit-for-brains moron who doesn’t have the first fucking clue how the United States government works.

I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: there is no such thing as “judicial activism.” It’s a procedural impossibility. Anyone who honestly believes that judges are even capable of making new laws ex nihilo, much less are interested in doing so in the first place, should not be allowed to vote, because they’re just too fucking stupid to be allowed to participate in normal human society.

Comment #14: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  04/04  at  04:58 PM

So, tangentially related to the topic, I’m afraid I may have signed an oath to vote Republican in the future.  As part of my efforts to stalk our Pandagonian leaders*, I’ve recently moved from Duke to the University of Michigan.  As a condition of my employment, I was required to sign a loyalty oath that I would support the Constitution of the State of Michigan.  Alas, I’ve come to understand that that document contains a homophobia amendment, passed in 2004, so now I’ve sworn to uphold homophobia as part of my job as a research chemist.  Not sure how they’re related, but whatever.  McCarthyism is fun, right?  Anyway, since the Republican party is the party of homophobia, I think I’m bound by my oath, along with like 50% of Ann Arbor, to vote Republican.  Sucks to be me.

On the other hand, I can get out of buying a wedding gift for my friend and her girlfriend when they get married this summer.  “Sorry, I’m bound by oath to uphold the homophobia of the state of Michigan.  I could get fired if I get you a toaster oven.”

*I was disappointed to learn that the Panda House, just down the street from my new place, is not actually Jesse’s pad, but rather some variety of restaurant.

Comment #15: libdevil  on  04/04  at  05:55 PM

Anybody <strike>looking for an excuse to slack off at work</strike> care to explain to me what the Supreme Court did before Marbury v. Madison?

Comment #16: asdf  on  04/05  at  05:26 AM

Overturn Marbury?

Great Scott! Taking us back to the 19th Century isn’t even good enough any more?

Comment #17: Quaker in a Basement  on  04/05  at  11:39 PM

(dang, ate my comment.  sorry if this double posts)

We need to go back to Jacksonian democracy, aka “Mr Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it.”

So the President should not enforce laws, not even a judicial order to halt ethnic cleansing?  Or are you just unaware of the context of Jackson’s quote?

Comment #18: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  04/05  at  11:56 PM

ok, in place of “enforce” read “obey”.

Comment #19: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  04/05  at  11:56 PM

Well, the Cherokees were trying to destroy white civilization by farming on their lands which white people wanted to farm on, RobW, don’t forget that.

To try and take Thumper’s mom’s advice, at least anti-glbt forces haven’t called for forcing everyone they don’t like to walk to Oklahoma. That I’m aware of.

Comment #20: witless chum  on  04/06  at  01:00 PM

“Rod Dreher is fearful that Christianity itself will be stigmatized should the ongoing march of pretending that gay people aren’t the asshole Mogwai that pop out of good Christian families after you get them wet continue unopposed.”

It seems like it would be more productive to be fearful that people who take their practice of Christianity seriously will soon be mildly stigmatized should the ongoing march of fundamentalists being really, really crazy in public continued unopposed.

Comment #21: preying mantis  on  04/06  at  09:19 PM
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