Culver man up?

I don’t even know what that’s SUPPOSED to mean.

“Same sex animals don’t mate.”

Looks like this guy needs to take Biology 101.  Heck, let’s just buy him a copy of the children’s book about the gay penguins at Central Park Zoo if he needs the basics.

Though I am sorry to report that those particular penguins have broken up, which I guess proves that gay marriage for humans should be banned! or something.

People like Overton are so thunderingly ignorant that I can’t imagine how they manage to feed and dress themselves.

What Mnemosyne said.  They totally do too!

And I thought the whole bestiality thing was the apex of stupidity. Take a look at The Peter’s BFF Matt Bam Bam Barber’s take. It will lead to MAN-PLANT marriage (what would be the term for that?!)

DATE: April 3, 2009

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Iowa Supreme Court Enters Judicial Activism Hall of Shame

Invents “Right” to “Gay” Marriage

Des Moines, IA – Matt Barber, Director of Cultural Affairs with both Liberty Counsel and Liberty Alliance Action, and Associate Dean with Liberty University School of Law, released the following statement today in response to news that the Iowa Supreme Court has issued an opinion imagining a “fundamental” constitutional right to “same-sex marriage”:

“Here we go again,” said Barber. “While citing the specter of ‘equal protection,’ the Iowa Supreme Court today has unanimously joined a leftist gaggle of ideologically driven judges in California, Massachusetts and Connecticut, creating, from thin air, a phantom ‘right’ to the ridiculous, oxymoronic and postmodern ‘gay’ marriage counterfeit.

“Although, not controlling here” continued Barber, “the U.S. Supreme Court long ago rejected the untenable notion that ‘equal protection’ requires two biologically incompatible persons to be permitted to ‘marry.’  Marriage, of course, by its very spiritual, historical and biological nature, requires binary compatibility. It is no more discriminatory to disallow two men from marrying each other, than it is to prohibit a man from marrying his house plant. 

In Baker v. Nelson, our nation’s high court rightfully observed: “The institution of marriage as a union of man and woman, uniquely involving the procreation and rearing of children within a family, is as old as the book of Genesis. … Marriage and procreation are fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”

“Taking its solemn vow seriously in Baker,” said Barber, “the Supreme Court exercised judicial restraint; properly holding that to rule otherwise would constitute an unconstitutional exercise of ‘judicial legislation.’

“What a contrast. Today, the Iowa Supreme Court cast aside any semblance of judicial restraint doing exactly that which the U.S. Supreme Court detested. It unequivocally engaged in ‘judicial legislation,’ unconstitutionally manufacturing law from the bench. No one in his right mind would suggest that the framers of the Iowa Constitution could have ever imagined the silly and incongruous notion of ‘same sex marriage,’ much less considered it a ‘fundamental right.’

“The Iowa Supreme Court has earned its rightful place in the judicial activism hall of shame. It has infected the wholesome heartland with the same malady eating away at natural marriage, family and morality at our nation’s coastal and ideological fringes. 

“If you think you saw a fight in California to restore natural marriage with the successful passage of Proposition 8, then hold on to your hats. Something tells me the fine folks of Iowa don’t cotton to seven black robed autocrats supplanting mid-western values with San Francisco vice.”

“It’s not out of hate that we do it, it’s out of compassion.”

Yeah, my mother said the same thing when my father refused to talk to me freshman year for dating a “darkie”. 

I’m reminded of George Carlin’s line “Ever notice that their stuff is shit, and your shit is stuff?”  The idea of the Supreme Court somehow being a group of “autocrats” is laughable, especially since they’d be lauded as “people of character and integrity” if they instituted Christianity as the state religion and made the use of birth control a capital offense.

I thought Iowa had a lot of farms. Anyone who spends even a few days around animals knows that yes, same sex animals do mate.

Next on the Right-wing agenda:  extermination of every last Bonobo chimp.

The logical flaw in their man + woman = marriage because man + woman = babies argument is that nowhere in the world is a fertility test a prerequisite for marriage, and nowhere in the world are sterile couples or couples who choose not to have children denied the right to marry.

So all that’s left is “HOMGZ THE GAY SCARES ME”

“Same sex animals don’t mate.”

Really? My two boy cats must just be playing slow-motion leapfrog or something.

Sorry, guys, you OWN these people.

Another way of saying that is, “Without these people, you would have to realize how few of you there actually are in the country and fucking deal.”

So all that’s left is “HOMGZ THE GAY SCARES ME”

Actually, it’s “HOMGZ THE GAY SCARES GOD,” which is even less defensible.

The sign and comments like those by Barber continually show one thing: they think we’re subhuman.

Culver man up?

I don’t even know what that’s SUPPOSED to mean.

Well, the governor of Iowa is named Chet Culver, and my best guess is that in this context “man up” is Wingnut Authoritarianese for “Use and/or create some dictatorial powers to stop this! In the name of American FREEDOM!”

Ow. I just lost three IQ points thinking about it. You owe me.

Governor Culver, man up!  Get yourself a handsome man!

Same sex animals don’t mate.

The opposite-sex ones might be guaranteed to mate, but they’re also likely to eat or abandon their young, kill or abandon their mates, or have one male with many female partners or vice versa, all situations I imagine they’d be against in the human population.  Considering how each different species there are on the planet, all with various sexual and reproductive behaviors and goals, how about we just stick to what THIS species does, wingnuts?

“It is no more discriminatory to disallow two men from marrying each other, than it is to prohibit a man from marrying his house plant.”

Sheesh…I guess women don’t even rate to this creep.

Facepalm…what am I thinking? Of course they don’t!

Not that I was expecting anything different but the above statement just pissed me the fuck off for soooo many reasons.

Oh, and the whole…“We don’t want same sex couples to have the same rights as everyone else but…heh…were not at all like THAT guy.” whinge is laughable in the extreme.

‘Loving the sinner hating the sin’ is not compassion, it’s still just hate.

I am consistently surprised by the leap in logic by these people.

Same sex marriage (read: butt sex!) = sex w/animals.

They just skip right over threesomes & orgies to beastiality.

Makes you wonder what these guys think of women, doesn’t it?

It would, but alas, I have a pretty good idea.

The sign and comments like those by Barber continually show one thing: they think we’re subhuman.

That’s because people who act fully human scare the shit out of them anyway.  They want the world set up so that they can declare themselves superior to somebody somewhere by fiat.

Mark, something tells me that these homegrown Iowa wingnuts are experts on sex with animals.

Opposite-sex animals are not, in fact, guaranteed to mate, even in species that have well-defined mating seasons.  In sheep, for example, as many as ten percent of rams prefer other rams and will not mount ewes.  [Citation here.]  Spray all the estrus pheromones at them as you like, and they still won’t go for ewes.

I’m sure dude with the sign up there would come back with “We’re not animals!”

Yeah.

I’m sure most of you are shocked that something like this could come out of Iowa.  As a matter of fact, Iowa IS NOT Kansas.  LOL!

Proud Iowan currently located now in Mississippi.

Fort Dodge Senior High Class of 1976.

Iowa is a lot more progressive than most people realize. Here’s the view off the back of my dad’s porch:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3410268780/

More on Iowa.

No helmet law. Every summer around the 4th (Freedom Rally) the bikers get together and have a big bash in the middle of Iowa. As it turns out, the place they have their big bash is also right down the road from my dad’s house:

It is land they purchased and maintain just for their own use where nobody will bother them.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3410276786/

The best place in the world to visit is Clear Lake Iowa on the 4th of July. During the last election cycle, I was there on the 4th (2006) and saw Bill and Hillary as well as the introduction of the famed Mittmobile.

The place is as seriously Norman Rockwell as you will ever see in your lifetime.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3410308730/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3409499355
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3409498805
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3410308358

You can also visit the Surf Ballroom, site of the last performance of Buddy Holly et.al. :

http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3409529667
http://www.flickr.com/photos/timtimes/3409529769

Enjoy.

I think it all comes down to the fear of losing control over women and sex. If gender roles are arbitrary and sex isn’t something for every sexual to be ashamed of and only indulged in secret and never mentioned so you can compare notes and move beyond obsessing about whether you’re shoe fetish is “too” weird or whatever, then how would the man in the fancy clothes keep the flock fixated by fear and why would a woman stay with a man who views her as merely a recepticle for his sperm?

They fear losing their property and their privilege. After all, the closet cases are all getting theirs on the downlow, but if the gender scam blows up, who’ll clean their house and raise their kids for free? And if the sex isn’t clandestine and fraught with fear, then they’d have to rely on their personality and charm to get dates.

This is what’s freaking them out and frankly, all I can say is good riddance to bad rubbish. Go you Iowa!

“SAME SEX ANIMALS DON’T MATE”?
Someone had better tell my mom’s chihuahua about it.

Question about the “mating” thing, is this wingnut using it to mean just “sex” or is he using it to mean that two same sex animals can’t naturally produce offspring?

It’s still stupid either way but they like to be tricky with their definitions.

Next on the Right-wing agenda:  extermination of every last Bonobo chimp.
Captain Bathrobe on 04/03 at 10:19 AM

Actually…

‘Cause apes are clearly really orcs, you see.

Oh wait—Melkor bred orcs to mock elves...

If you feel sorry for these bigots, feel sorry for them the same way you might feel sorry for a rabid animal. They may not be fully responsible for their bigotry, but they’re still a danger to themselves and others…

There are a lot of things we can learn from the animals. One is that animals don’t give a shit if their neighbors are gay.

I saw something about ostriches a while back, and it sort of makes me wish people were more like ostriches. Ostriches are monogamous, which is nice. All the ostriches in a particular area lay their eggs in the dominant ostrich couple’s nest, and the dominant ostrich couple lays on the eggs and raises the baby ostriches to maturity. The female ostrich lays on the eggs during the day, because her brown feathers blend in with the dirt. The male ostrich lays on the eggs at night, since his black feathers match the darkness. While one lays on the eggs, the other eats. And since all male ostriches look the same and all female ostriches look the same, each couple comes up with their own dance to distinguish their spouse from the other ostriches. The ostrich’s brain is smaller than its eye, and yet I envy them.

Craig Overton of Pleasant Hill, who also was in the group, carried a homemade sign saying “Same sex animals don’t mate.” And “Culver man up.”

Chris Nitzschke, director of operations for the Iowa Family Policy Center, asked Overton to put down the sign. Nitzschke explained that although his group wants gay marriage banned, Overton’s sign wasn’t projecting the right image. “Oftentimes, it’s not just what you say, it’s how you say it,” Nitzschke told Overton. “It’s not out of hate that we do it, it’s out of compassion.”

So what’s Nitzschke’s problem with Overton? Too obvious?

A person whose compassion motivates them to go around lying about others in order to deny them the same rights as others is so insane, it’s easier for me to assume he’s lying.

So what’s Nitzschke’s problem with Overton? Too obvious?

It’s the problem of the genteel folks at the country club trying to distinguish their bigotry from that of the lower classes who use N****r in public. The genteel folks—heavens!—have nothing against blacks or jews; they just understand why people like that would really be happier mixing with their own kind rather than being fooled into going where they’re not welcome. And they do make such fine waiters and bookkeepers.

Polite bigot may actually not understand that they’re bigots. They’ve been used to the privilege of people deferring to their wishes all their lives, so they can’t understand what’s going on here. They’ve already explained to the gay people that queers don’t deserve civil marriage, so how could there be anything more to say on the matter? And those rude-speaking types who believe as they do, how could that possibly be?

Actually, some same-sex animals do mate.

Test!

(sorry, new, haven’t been able to get a comment through yet, is it possible to be pre-banned?)

I wonder if the real reason N asked Overton to put down the sign was because he knew enough about nature to know there are homosexual animals and the sign just made them all look stupid(er). Because it really wasn’t hateful, aside from favoring the denial of civil rights, which N is in favor of. If I had a sign in favor of banning hydrogenated fats that said, “Animals don’t eat hydrogenated fats”, it would mean I thought that the fats were unnatural, but I’d be ignoring all the animals who scavenge human discards.

“Same sex animals don’t mate”? This moron should hang out at an animal shelter (such as the one where I work). We’ve got the animals segregated by sex, as nothing gets fixed until it gets adopted out… but that hasn’t stopped the dogs and cats in our care from doing plenty of “mating”

<blockquote>So all that’s left is “HOMGZ THE GAY SCARES ME”

Actually, it’s “HOMGZ THE GAY SCARES GOD,” which is even less defensible.</blockquote>

Actually, I think the first one is correct.  It’s called homophobia because people are actually afraid of it.  As Cerberus mentioned, a big part of it is the fear that if 2 men or 2 women can marry and the world doesn’t explode, then it becomes much, much more difficult for fundies to defend their strict, misogynist gender roles.  It shows that controlling women within marriage really isn’t necessary for the world to keep turning.  And even bigger fear is that these men who treat women badly can see the possibility that they might end up as the “woman” in a gay marriage, and they certainly don’t want to be treated the way they treat their wives.  Gay marriage actually does ruin their particular marriage structure, because they can no longer justify treating their wives like slaves by saying that it’s just necessary and natural and there will be terrible consequences if they don’t.  I hate it when homophobic people say they’re not actually “phobic” and just think it’s wrong, or some will even admit that they hate it.  The simple fact is that they are terrified of a world where spouses have to treat each other like human beings.