Wow, Pam He was the cutest little thing.  I can’t believe they let him near their pulpit with that hair.

I too live near this guy and…. just cannot believe he has any kind of sizeable congregation. I’ve never heard anyone even mention him; he’s flown completely under the radar of my local activist friends, as far as I can tell. The church seems to be in a strip mall. Of course, that’s not unusual around here.

I kind of want to hire one of my shadier friends to “tempt” him and see what happens.

People like Pastor Anderson are responsible for the death of satire in politcal and popular culture.

What kind of a man would go into a profession of examining women’s private parts?

Forget the perverted male Ob/Gyns and, presumably, the equally perverted female urologists. What about those filthy deviants, the male and female general surgeons? I mean if your vagina/penis is a private part, your appendix, gallbladder, etc. are super-duper private. Those lustful perverts are elbow-deep in intestinal loops, fondling your internal organs all day long and nobody says anything. Why is that, hmm?

Also, in case you were wondering, [w]omen have been giving birth to children for the last 6,000 years only. Good to know.

...aside from learning that Fascism is rooted in the GLBT movement (which I must admit comes as something of a surprise), it’s somewhat perversely interesting to see that Fred Phelps isn’t as lonely and isolated as one might hope…

OK…I am NOT clicking through to the sermon, but I’ve got to know.  What possible reason does he have for peeing standing up?

My poor son was just initiated into the ritual of peeing at Wrigley Field.  It’s a trough.  Truly disgusting, or so I’ve been told, and not just by the boy.

But just b/c you CAN pee in a trough, does that mean you HAVE to pee in a trough?

this guy really just needs to be punched in the nuts.

Caren:

His reason: 1 Samuel 25:34—“For in very deed, as the LORD God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.” (In other words, people who pissed on walls = males old or/and strong enough to urinate while standing.)

Anderson took that to mean all men that aren’t gay must urinate while standing up to assert their authoritah. Don’t believe me? Click over to his “message.”

In the very next verse (of the King James translation), Abigail lights off her ass. Judging by Anderson’s “standard” for interpreting Biblical texts, he probably has Zsuzsanna hold a zippo up to her rectum every time she farts.

Seriously, Dukkha! No wonder conservatives think Colbert is one of them…how can you satirize someone’s position if it is the equivalent of “Why, yes, Irish babies are delicious!”

Apart from everything else…do they really have signs in Germany prohibiting men from peeing standing up?

I mean, I know they don’t, but I’m curious whether he got that shit from somewhere.

Auguste: ...do they really have signs in Germany prohibiting men from peeing standing up?

Not “official” signs. But you _can_ buy signs and pictograms with that message. I have only seen them at people’s homes and never in a public place.

That hairstyle is supposed to set off gaydar?  I thought gay men were renowned for their good taste and style, and even for an 80’s teen that’s a bit much.

Oh, come on, Kyso K. For the 80s that was style.

Anderson took that to mean all men that aren’t gay must urinate while standing up to assert their authoritah.

Even for the ostensibly straight ones, it always comes back to what you do with your dick, doesn’t it? Like God’s not going to be able to tell whether you’re queer or not except by your posture while urinating.

And I figure the signs about don’t pee standing up would, if people were only about as polite as me, be instead signs saying “DON’T PISS ALL OVER THE FLOOR”, because that’s the problem I’ve seen people to have. It’s not a problem with men pissing from a standing position; it’s a problem with careless men hitting the toilet, the tank, the floor, the wall, the sink, the tub, and the cat.

My poor son was just initiated into the ritual of peeing at Wrigley Field.  It’s a trough.  Truly disgusting, or so I’ve been told, and not just by the boy.

But just b/c you CAN pee in a trough, does that mean you HAVE to pee in a trough?

O/T, but here’s one of the many reasons I’m extremely grateful to be a fan of the (TEN TIME WORLD CHAMPION) St. Louis Cardinals, and not the (101 years without a championship) North Side Small Bears:

VIDEO: Urinal Trough Diving @ The Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field

Eluneth:  I lived in Germany for two years, and I never saw any kind of sign prohibiting peeing while standing.

Sorry.  Should have responded to Auguste with that.

My poor son was just initiated into the ritual of peeing at Wrigley Field.  It’s a trough.  Truly disgusting, or so I’ve been told, and not just by the boy.

Lots of places have the trough. Nice and dehumanizing.  But, it might not be worse than using the actual stall….I just avoid public restrooms if at all possible.

And standing to pee is overrated, especially after a few beers.

I’m pretty sure he was going for the “Saved by the Bell” look.

Of course, King James (and its direct derivatives) seems to be the only one that actually uses that literal translation in the finished passage. Most other versions I’ve found have it generically as “a male.”

That would be his proof that the translators and editors of the later, more modern editions pee sitting down.  Yes, I clicked the link.

I love how in their world, gynecologists must be male, and women must be nurses or midwives.  Guess it never occurred to them that a female could go to medical school and be a gynecologist too.

Loopy.  Just loopy.  OTOH, my gynecologist and all his friends enjoyed the link very much.

Of course…if male gynecologists are perverts, what does that make female gynecologists?

It’s so comforting to know that a shining beacon of Christian righteousness like Pastor Anderson uses such unimpeachable tests as whether a male urinates standing up or not to judge their worth as a man and identify the unrighteous among us. 

Thank the Lord someone is using God’s Word to make a difference in the world!...

The sodomites are recruiters and you know who they are after? Your children.

Oh thank god.  I thought I was the only person who noticed the gay Giddeons standing outside campus on street corners handing out all those little green homosexual books.

Anderson took that to mean all men that aren’t gay must urinate while standing up to assert their authoritah.

But, in order for this to be effective, doesn’t it imply people need to see you standing while peeing?  And, as a corollary, does this also suggest that people need to stare at each other when they are peeing, such that they know whose authority to respect?

I’m just imagining a bunch of guys filling into the church bathroom and peering under urinals to figure out the social pecking order.

“Jim!  Jim!  Did you hear a *plop*?  No?  Does that mean Larry has to ride bitch seat to the next Bible Study?”

“It’s so comforting to know that a shining beacon of Christian righteousness like Pastor Anderson uses such unimpeachable tests as whether a male urinates standing up or not to judge their worth as a man and identify the unrighteous among us. “

Well, he’s probably going to be early in line (if LaBarbera doesn’t beat him to it) to volunteer to be the one doing the checking. Honest, that’s why he spends so much time in restrooms! Really!

So how do we get his tax exemption withdrawn?  That’s what I want, his cash. Let’s see how tough he is when he has to meet with the IRS!

Of course…if male gynecologists are perverts, what does that make female gynecologists?

Silly Wednesday…if a woman has a problem with her reproductive system, that’s God’s will! It would be blasphemy to do something about it!

I have a couple of male friends who are blind and they sit down to urinate because, of course, aiming is a tad difficult when you can’t see the toilet.  Does Anderson believe this mean all blind men are gay?  If not, do blind men have some sort of special protection against being corrupted by Teh Gay?

I went over to the church’s website… He is quite proud that he did not attend college (he mentions it in a very matter of fact matter)  BUT he’s memorized 100 chapters of the Bible.  Pastor Anderson holds no college degree but has well over 100 chapters of the Bible committed to memory, including almost half of the New Testament.

Apparently the church does not believe in state-issued marriage licences but he and Zsuzsanna have one (you find this in an answer to a letter in her blog) because she’s an immigrant (who otherwise without the marriage would illegal?).

They are a goldmine of teh fundy crazy… unfortunately they have 5 kids so far and homeschool.

Good goddess of the universe protect us.

They are a goldmine of teh fundy crazy… unfortunately they have 5 kids so far and homeschool.

I wouldn’t worry too much about it.  It’s normal and common for teens to rebel, and the harder parents repress them, the stronger they lash out.  This stuff my last through some of their kids, but it rarely lasts longer than 2 generations.

So if men prove they are manly by peeing standing up, what are we to think about women who pee standing up?  The oregon country faire (a teeming hive of liberal counter-cultural craziness) has installed female urinals in the last few years.  They are quite literally a trough built into the deck, over which a line of ladies may stand & do their business.  A wonderful invention, IMHO.  Finally the lines for the men’s and women’s bathrooms are of equal length…

I’m just guessing, but I suppose all the ladies that used this newfangled bathroom are goin’ to hell.  Drat!

@ Dan: Strangely enough, “one who pees against a wall” is the literal translation of that passage. I assumed it was just another bit of goofy King James bizzarity, but my Tanakh notes that that is, in fact, exactly what the original Hebrew says. Of course, King James (and its direct derivatives) seems to be the only one that actually uses that literal translation in the finished passage. Most other versions I’ve found have it generically as “a male.”

I looked over at the other translations as well – but I don’t think, since the author used that particular idiom, that he meant “every male” so much as “every male over a certain age.” Women and little boys probably urinated while squatting. I’ve heard the passage interpreted that way, and it sounds like a reasonable take.

Other Biblical texts (in the KJV as well) that talk about all males plainly specify *every male,* including those texts written near the time of 1 Samuel.

@ Wednesday: Of course…if male gynecologists are perverts, what does that make female gynecologists?

Female gynecologists? As if. This isn’t a science fiction novel!

So this means that in that particular biblical passage G*d would have killed all the straight men and left the queers alone?

They recruit through rape, they recruit through molestation, they recruit through violation

Asshole.  Cuz being raped, molested and violated is SO MUCH FUCKING FUN that once it happens to us, why we’re just drawn irrevocably to the one who did it.

Asshole.

Ok, I was pretty stoned for most of my Psych 101 class, but I did manage to pick up a few things. This guy was seriously molested as a kid/teenager, and he’s still all fucked up about it. I mean, really fucked up, hate-the-attacker/shame-cause-he-got-off self-loathing fucked up. This guy is a hazard to everyone around him, but I gotta hope he someday gets to the (IMO healthy) place that TinaH is at: Screw that asshole. Stop hating yourself, dude. It wasn’t your fault, it’s not Gay people’s fault, it’s purely the fault of the monster who did it to you. You have my pity, for what that’s worth.