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The ongoing, albeit amusing, battle to save Bristol

Yesterday, at XX Factor, I blogged about what may be a new low for culture warriors: making it their mission to stick it to the liberals by keeping Bristol Palin on “Dancing With The Stars”.  My point was that this proves how much it’s just culture war for them.  Bristol is unpopular with the judges and the fans not because of any personality traits or anything she’s done wrong, but because she doesn’t work hard and she sucks.  If she wasn’t considered a member of the wingnut tribe, she would have been gone a long time ago.  But due to extensive conservative online organizing and possible cheating, Palin in hanging in. 

I expected a lot of snotty comments from fuck-you conservatives in comments, and I got them, which basically proved my point.  The election of the President was brought up, making me wonder if someone maybe should step back and think about how there’s actual differences between electing politicians with power and winning on “DWTS”.  It seems, for wingnuts, the two are tied together under one very important life mission.

Pissing off the liberals. 

Oh, those wily liberals!  Always smiling and so smug, thinking they’re so cool.  We’ll show them.  We’ll get Bristol Palin to win on “DWTS”, even though she doesn’t deserve it, and elect any nutbar to Congress with an “R” behind their name.  It’s all culture war and everything is about scoring points, damn the consequences.  The possibility that it doesn’t actually piss off many liberals—-for instance, I’ve never seen “DWTS”, couldn’t tell you who’s on it, or who has ever won it—-didn’t seem to have been a factor.  But what was most interesting to me was this reply:

This seems like a case of the rich, popular cheerleaders looking like they’ve sucked on a lemon when they learn that the poor girl in school, the one in the home-made clothes and religious family, gets elected Prom Queen.

I’ve rarely seen such a clean-cut example of the conservative tendency to say up is down and black is white.  Or, more precisely, to bemoan how oppressed white, rich, and highly privileged people are.  First of all, has the poor girl in school ever won Prom Queen?  Was that in some 80s movie somewhere?  As someone actually in the dork caste in my high school, I can assure you that the boundaries of who got those kind of awards were closely monitored, usually by people like Bristol Palin, who had powerful parents, lots of money, and super jock boyfriends.  But it was telling of what a cipher the Palin family has become.  They’re obscenely rich millionaires who run small town feuds on a level beyond what I ever saw with people trying to establish fiefdoms in the small town of my youth, but in the imagination of their fans, Sarah Palin is basically Dolly Parton—-a scrappy poor girl who grew up with no shoes but became a big star on talent alone.  And Bristol Palin, too, though more as an afterthought.

I’ll give that Sarah Palin has a unique talent at assholery that has allowed her to rise above where a woman with fewer talents in the art of puppy-kicking might have gone.  But Bristol Palin hasn’t really done squat.  She is literally famous for having a baby at an inopportune time.  And now she continues to get promoted over more talented people than her because she was born into the right family.  Comparing that to the poor kid with handmade clothes making good is like comparing “The Godfather” to a Pauly Shore movie.  Bristol Palin is a hero to wingnut America because she’s a great example of rewarding someone for being born into privilege instead of on their merits. 

I say this without a whiff of knowledge about her character.  I don’t particularly give a shit.  I just find it extremely funny that the wingnutteria is backing someone with no talent on a show with no real importance to stick it to liberals who by and large don’t really care, and they’re doing so because they’re intoxicated by privilege and kind of wish they had a monarchy, but they’re pretending that they’re doing it because they want to see the oppressed rise above.  I suppose after “Dancing With The Stars” is done, they should start sticking it to the liberals by defending poor, oppressed Paris Hilton, who is definitely the weird girl with handmade clothes that is picked on by cheerleaders. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 04:44 PM • (122) Comments

I imagine that what with the election being over, they’ve got a lot of undissipated energy to burn off. Fuck going to the gym or anything, though.

Comment #1: Abra  on  11/17  at  05:22 PM

Yeah.  Better this than stomping on peoples’ heads, making terror attacks on the offices of liberal Congressmen, or shooting reproductive healthcare providers.

Comment #2: libdevil  on  11/17  at  05:28 PM

I will admit that DWTS is my dirty little TV pleasure.  If you only went by Bristol’s personality from this show, she seems like a very sweet girl who’s definitely in over her head, and is just as surprised as anyone else that she’s still there.  Until this week, when she started doing the “I’m working hard and I deserve to win” speech, so I’m guessing Mama Grizzly growled at her to get more aggressive.

The “teen activist” thing has always grated, I will admit, and Tom Bergeron always sounds like he’s hiding a laugh when he says it.

I am, however, rethinking the “very sweet girl” thing after reading about her and Willow’s Facebook response to the barest criticism.

Comment #3: NobleExperiments  on  11/17  at  05:28 PM

I’m afraid most conservatives aren’t pretending they’re oppressed. They believe it. They feel looked down on and discriminated against by those “pointy-headed” liberals that Sarah “George Wallace” Palin talks about.

Comment #4: david mizner  on  11/17  at  05:32 PM

One more thing: I watched the show and it was annoying how no one would acknowledge why she’d won. And there was the sad poignancy of seeing the far superior, and black, Brandi rendered speechless by the injustice. God bless our meritocracy.

Did I describe DWTS as poignant?

Comment #5: david mizner  on  11/17  at  05:36 PM

I can’t comment. I only watch Gore’s Current channel. Deadliest Journies is good.

Comment #6: faiimuden  on  11/17  at  05:39 PM

Was this post inspired by the Facebook spat?

I love Bristol complaining about “working her a** off”.  Er, no, honey - you’re where you are because your mother is a successful loon, and you’re best known for getting knocked up as a teen.  The hardest working thing in your life was your daddy’s sperm.

Comment #7: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/17  at  05:46 PM

david, self-delusion is still deception.

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/17  at  05:56 PM

@David: indeed, at this point even when conservatives think they’re telling the truth, they’re lying.  That’s the point; conservatism has passed beyond a point where telling the truth—even to themselves—is completely impossible.

Comment #9: Punditus Maximus  on  11/17  at  06:00 PM

amanda, okay. I keep disagreeing with you even though I don’t really disagree with you.

Anyway, fear not: National Review is also on this story:

http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/253405/no-sarah-palin-not-stealing-dancing-stars-election-josh-barro

Comment #10: david mizner  on  11/17  at  06:07 PM

I wish more conservatives would spend their efforts on similar ventures.  Is Willow taking singing lessons yet for American Idol?  Has Piper learned to walk in heels to prepare for her forthcoming Miss America pageant yet?

I don’t care for that family nor am I that interested in their doings, but I guess it’s better than staking out places along London streets to have a chance to briefly wave at and be ignored by Princeling William and his new bride sometime next Summer.  No, on second thought they’re both stupid things to be concerned with.  But the rubes need their distractions, and they shall have them.

Comment #11: 3letterjon  on  11/17  at  06:08 PM

I remember seeing this kind of thing in American Idol, except somewhat the reverse.  A bunch of 4channers and Diggers conspired to get this one horrible singer brought back again and again.  He made it up to the final seven or eight before he lost.  You had the crazy Australian host threatening to quit the show in protest.  Good times.

Likewise, Tom DeLay has had a DWTS fetish since he got booted off his Majority Leader post.  He’s relentlessly campaigned for conservative dancers, and he even made it on himself in a struggle to rehabilitate his own image.

It really is just mediocracy in action.  At the end of the day, we can’t just wave these guys off and call them losers.  We have to learn from them.  Rabble rousing can be used for both good and evil.  I got to watch John Cole, DougJ, and the Balloon Juice guys leverage their popularity into $70-80k in Act Blue fundraising.  Facebook was an aggressive GOTV tool for hundreds of interest groups.  DWTS is just a way of keeping Republican voters engaged.  Perhaps we could do a little less vilifying and a little more imitating.  Last I checked, Republicans were also doing a much better job at driving voters to the polls.

Comment #12: Zifnab25  on  11/17  at  06:23 PM

I confess I also like watching dance: but gave up on DWTS long ago, primarily because that sort of tribalism wasn’t limited to conservatives.

Sports stars of some sort would tromp through their dances (one, insistently in his brand of sports shoe that made it impossible to be light-footed) and their fans would vote them back again and again.

However, knowing conservative zeolots I don’t doubt that they’ll accomplish what sports fans were unable to, and give the ultimate win to the untalented girl from the correct conservative tribe.

I won’t be watching, but then again, that kind of popularity contest is more Republican anyway:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/right-wing-tv-43558

Comment #13: judybrowni  on  11/17  at  06:32 PM

Bristol is unpopular with the judges and the fans not because of ... anything she’s done wrong, but because she doesn’t work hard and she sucks.

I would suggest that not working hard and performing badly qualify as “things she’s done wrong”.

Comment #14: Thlayli  on  11/17  at  06:34 PM

***This seems like a case of the rich, popular cheerleaders looking like they’ve sucked on a lemon when they learn that the poor girl in school, the one in the home-made clothes and religious family, gets elected Prom Queen.***

***First of all, has the poor girl in school ever won Prom Queen?  Was that in some 80s movie somewhere? ***

Yep….that was “Carrie” starring Sissy Spacek in 1976. But I would suspect that her popular tormenters would have grown up to be Republicans if she hadn’t killed them all.

Comment #15: Bruce from Missouri  on  11/17  at  06:42 PM

I normally wouldn’t watch shows like this…  But this kind of shit makes it even less likely I would.  If that’s what the sponsors want (a smaller audience) so be it.

Comment #16: James  on  11/17  at  06:43 PM

I wish more conservatives would spend their efforts on similar ventures.
~ 3letterjon @11

You have a point.  Better to have conservatives fighting the culture wars on a who-cares TV show than at the ballot box.  As long as we win elections, we can let them “win” on DWTS.  (btw, it’ll be interesting to see if DWTS changes its scoring system going into the next season, since - as judybrowni says - this isn’t the first time this has happened, only the most WTF example).

Comment #17: NobleExperiments  on  11/17  at  06:48 PM

One thing about DWTS: they always have one or two ringers on every cast, and most of the time one of the ringers wins—Kristi Yamaguchi, Nicole Scherzinger, Shawn Johnson, Donny Osmond, Apolo Ohno… Jennifer Grey is this season’s ringer, and until she started having physical problems, I figured she was going to be an easy win. But between that and astroturfing the voting, I’m not so sure.

Comment #18: BrianX  on  11/17  at  06:57 PM

I also hope that Kyle Massey and Lacey Schwimmer are hooking up but that’s neither here nor there…

Comment #19: BrianX  on  11/17  at  06:58 PM

on a related note, a guy in Wisconsin shot his tv because he didn’t think Bristol Palin deserved to stay on.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime_and_courts/article_3a5b6914-f1ce-11df-80f8-001cc4c002e0.html

Comment #20: kitten parade  on  11/17  at  07:12 PM

er I guess that’s not so funny.  The guy is bipolar.  But why on earth did he have a firearm then?

Comment #21: kitten parade  on  11/17  at  07:16 PM

This seems like a case of the rich, popular cheerleaders looking like they’ve sucked on a lemon when they learn that the poor girl in school, the one in the home-made clothes and religious family, gets elected Prom Queen.

I am so completely the-opposite-of-shocked to find that conservatives have, yet again, been entirely unable to correctly interpret a social power dynamic. It should be obvious to even the most casual observer that Bristol is the Alaskan version of The Libby in this little melodrama, but the conservative cult of victimhood has them so thoroughly brainwashed that it is literally impossible for them to see her as anything but the oppressed little guy. And it’s two, two, two misapprehensions for the price of one, because they also stuck in a bit of the ol’ ‘oppressed Christian Supermajority’ malarkey in as well. Super.

Comment #22: Sophist FCD  on  11/17  at  07:18 PM

DWTS has been my guilty pleasure since its beginning as well and I’m sure there have been cases of an eager fan base that has kept a few people on longer than they probably deserved. However, never have I seen it like this and it does annoy me to see a simple, fun pleasure politicized as it clearly has been. Sarah has been on almost every show unlike anyone else’s parent, spouse, family, etc. making this so clearly and intentionally a political act on the part of ABC. We’ve had to suffer through Tucker Carlson (not for long blessedly), Tom Delay (he quit before he was cut - see a pattern?), and now Bristol/Sarah Palin. Totally ruined this happy diversion for me.

Comment #23: annie0313  on  11/17  at  07:19 PM

Or, more precisely, to bemoan how oppressed white, rich, and highly privileged people are.

You ain’t kidding:

Tea party critics won’t be surprised to hear that 61 percent of people who identify with the movement said discrimination against whites “is as big a problem as discrimination against blacks and other minorities.” (White evangelicals also saw doors slamming in the faces of white people, with 57 percent agreeing that discrimination against people like themselves was equal to that against minorities.) That view was shared by only 28 percent of Democrats and about half of independents. Republicans were closer to the tea party on that question, with 56 percent agreeing that discrimination against whites is a big problem.

I’d kind of like to find the 28% of Dems who say that and slap them around a little, but…good fucking God, people. “Discrimination against whites” is a fucking figment of their imaginations to begin with, but to say it’s as big a problem as discrimination against minorities? What the…how the…I can’t even…

No.

(Link)

Comment #24: Alison  on  11/17  at  07:21 PM

I suppose after “Dancing With The Stars” is done, they should start sticking it to the liberals by defending poor, oppressed Paris Hilton, who is definitely the weird girl with handmade clothes that is picked on by cheerleaders. 

Isn’t that what the estate tax battle is all about?

Comment #25: Dilan Esper  on  11/17  at  07:31 PM

They have to believe that they’re infuriating. They know for sure that none of them have enough brains to get anywhere on their own merits. Rather than get an honest ‘c’ they want an ‘a’ and won’t settle for the ‘b’ that hard work might get them. Add to that white privilege and it’s like dealing with those kids from grade school who decide that being little shits is the easiest way to get attention.

Comment #26: ginmar  on  11/17  at  07:51 PM

The conservative ballot-stuffing on DWTS is just one more example of why we can’t have nice things.  They have to come in and piss all over a simple, common pleasure in order to show “who’s boss”.  Anyone who protests so loud and long about how “discriminated” against they are and throws temper tantrums in order to get attention, is someone who would rather break it than share it (whatever “it” is - power, money, a shiny mirror-ball trophy).

Another example: Jerome B.  Nice try, but we’re not upset; we’re incredulous and/or indifferent.

Comment #27: NobleExperiments  on  11/17  at  07:51 PM

And Jerome B. proves the point of the post.

Comment #28: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/17  at  08:08 PM

Does anyone remember the Family Guy scene where Stewey runs into Lois’s room and just shouts<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNkp4QF3we8”>? That’s basically what contemporary cultural conservatism is.

Comment #29: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/17  at  08:26 PM

:...when they learn that the poor girl in school, the one in the home-made clothes and religious family, gets elected Prom Queen.”

Here’s the tell:  religious family.  Poor and shabbily dressed is just along for the ride.

The fundies know non-fundies hold their intelligence in contempt and consider them gullible dupes.  They prefer to see everyone outside their tribe as hostile and aggressive towards them instead.  After all, if those non-fundies were reasonable humans they’d believe the earth is 6,000 years old and that it once stopped rotating while Joshua slaughtered a city.

Pissing off liberals is the only push back most of them can manage.  Unless they decide to Blow Your Brains Out in Jesus’ Name…

Comment #30: plaindave  on  11/17  at  08:40 PM

Per the NY Times, the Palins had a million in assets back in 2008 before Palin started her career as a professional conservative shill, and that was based on real estate holdings and Todd’s business.  Bristol Palin has NEVER BEEN the “poor girl in school, the one in the home-made clothes.”  She was ALWAYS the privileged rich girl who usually ends up being prom queen.  And yes, let’s keep bringing up how very devoutly religious she is as an unmarried teenage mother.

This family is even more transparently manufactured than Bush’s bullshit cowboy persona, and people eat this shit up with a spoon.  It’s mind boggling.

Comment #31: Blitzgal  on  11/17  at  09:06 PM

I’m afraid most conservatives aren’t pretending they’re oppressed. They believe it. They feel looked down on and discriminated against by those “pointy-headed” liberals that Sarah “George Wallace” Palin talks about.
Comment #4: david mizner

Some of them might have a point WRT classism. But then they conflate that into “anti-white racism” and “elitism,” cling to what privilege they do have (whiteness, gender-compliance, Christianity) and fall for all the BS that paints billionaires as “small business owners.”

Comment #32: snobographer  on  11/17  at  09:15 PM

@ #21 kitten parade:  No, that is funny.  It’s funny in a dark and kind of twisted way, but it is funny.

Comment #33: BadKitty  on  11/17  at  09:46 PM

@25 - Alison -

(White evangelicals also saw doors slamming in the faces of white people, with 57 percent agreeing that discrimination against people like themselves was equal to that against minorities.)

Man, people did that to me when I tried to sell Avon. It had nothing to do with me being white.

Comment #34: snobographer  on  11/17  at  09:49 PM

In Tea Party World meritocracy just isn’t a fair way to decide who is the best!  Not fair!

Comment #35: Ms Kate  on  11/17  at  09:49 PM

Is it just me, or does Bristol look 10-15 years older than she is?

Comment #36: Ms Kate  on  11/17  at  09:51 PM

Remember that tone deaf Marine who was on American Idol after 9/11 and how he was kept on way longer than he deserved to be?

Comment #37: snobographer  on  11/17  at  09:57 PM

I don’t care for that family nor am I that interested in their doings, but I guess it’s better than staking out places along London streets to have a chance to briefly wave at and be ignored by Princeling William and his new bride sometime next Summer

That’s a very poor analogy.  Prince William—and Prince Harry—have actually accomplished things that require talent and not just a hand-up from the family they were born in.  William went to Eton, graduated from St. Andrews in Scotland with a Masters in Art, got his RAF pilots wings and on and on.  To compare him to anyone in the Wasilla Grifters is unfair.

Comment #38: Henry Holland  on  11/17  at  10:25 PM

“anti-life” = meaningless.

Comment #39: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/17  at  10:40 PM

I am so glad that DWTS has not upset anyone. I have read hundreds of posts on dozens of blogs from people who were not upset. Such calm is very soothing.

Comment #40: faiimuden  on  11/17  at  10:41 PM

I could eat an entire box of Exlaxx—
    and still.
      Not.
          Give.
                A.
                    Shit.

Comment #41: hbsweet, empress of ice cream  on  11/17  at  10:48 PM

***First of all, has the poor girl in school ever won Prom Queen?  Was that in some 80s movie somewhere? ***

Yep….that was “Carrie” starring Sissy Spacek in 1976. But I would suspect that her popular tormenters would have grown up to be Republicans if she hadn’t killed them all.

Didn’t the asshole classmates set it up that way though? Carrie didn’t win because she deserved it, she won because they fixed the vote so they could humiliate her on stage.

Does that mean Bristol’s getting a bucket of pig’s blood doused on her in theDWTS finale?

Comment #42: UltraMagnus  on  11/17  at  10:49 PM

Whats really going on is her mother explodes the abortion myth.  Shes successful and has children and a family.

This is ridiculous. One woman—who, by the way, by all accounts was at best a barely passable governor in terms of competence and who quit her job and didn’t even serve out her full term—does not “explode the abortion myth”. There are quite a few women whose lives would be ruined if legal abortions were not available.

I hate this argument because it’s the one that pro-life women always make. “Well, *I* didn’t need to kill my child.” Well, first of all, many of them at some point in their lives discover they do. But even if they don’t, that’s not any sort of proof of what other women do or don’t need.

Comment #43: Dilan Esper  on  11/17  at  10:53 PM

@Dilan Esper…

remember that the troll isn’t dealing with reality. In Jerome’s twisted little world, feminism means “women MUST have an abortion” whereas in feminist world the approach is, “social conditions should facilitate women’s choices to have a child or not have a child depending upon their own goals and desires.” In right-wing fuck-up world, bitches only kill their babies, whereas feminists are like, “if a woman doesn’t want to remain pregnant, she shouldn’t have to, but if she wants to be a mother that choice should also be supported.”

Palin isn’t a feminist because she would restrict other women’s choices. I have yet to hear a single feminist say, “Bitch should have aborted,” but that’s what the right thinks feminism is about. That’s what Bernie Goldberg’s whole “the left doesn’t have five babies” quote that Stewart went after was about. We feminists say, “Women are people not incubators” which the right hears as “babies are evil.”

then, add to it the idea that women should be able to have relationships with other women (or men with men) and they lose their shit.

Comment #44: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/17  at  11:14 PM

I have to go with whoever said that the Palins are in many ways a triumph of feminism. It used to be that only men who were brainless nonentities with a schtick could become famous politicians. Same thing for Bristol.

Comment #45: paul  on  11/17  at  11:24 PM

“anti-life” = meaningless

No, no, anti-life is some serious shit.  Darkseid almost destroyed the universe with it back in 2008

Comment #46: Seraph  on  11/17  at  11:39 PM

Well, at my high school prom the ‘nice’ girl won, and her family was one of the poorest of the middle-class set.  But she wasn’t from the poorest family to have a kid in the graduating class - that was probably the off-rez girl who had gotten pregnant but returned to our school even though everyone else from her town had dropped out.  But she didn’t go to the prom.

However, our graduating class had like thirty-seven in it.  I only remember this because my grade point average was the second worst.

Comment #47: Crissa  on  11/17  at  11:43 PM

“I have yet to hear a single feminist say, “Bitch should have aborted,””

Although, somewhat ironically, I have heard some more misanthropic conservative/libertarian types say this. Especially when it comes to poor single women.

They can usually be spotted by bumper stickers that say things like “If you can’t feed ‘em, don’t breed ‘em.”

Comment #48: kaje  on  11/17  at  11:44 PM

The longer the thread, the less upset the posts. Very soothing.

Comment #49: faiimuden  on  11/17  at  11:45 PM

@kaje

“I have yet to hear a single feminist say, “Bitch should have aborted,””
Although, somewhat ironically, I have heard some more misanthropic conservative/libertarian types say this.

My Tea Partying mom is sorta pro- and anti-choice (she doesn’t think all abortion should be illegal, but it probably shouldn’t be done very often, and might hurt women and lots of restrictions are fine, etc.).  The one thing that she does think abortion is for is in the event of something being “wrong” with the fetus, such as Down Syndrome.

She loves Sarah Palin, but thinks that she probably should have had an abortion.  I can’t figure that one out at all.

Comment #50: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  12:02 AM

faiimuden is a complete idiot w/ no clue there are such descriptors as “amused,” “contemptuous,” “curious,” “incredulous,” and “musing”.

All of which—I will point out for hir benefit since sie obviously isn’t bright enough to read one—come before “upset” in the dictionary.

Comment #51: kristin  on  11/18  at  12:06 AM

Love, Love,Love the Palins for the way they can simply infuriate asswipe liberals.”

Who is infuriated? Slightly annoyed at having to hear about & constantly seeing reference to a brainless television show that I couldn’t give two shits about, perhaps - but infuriated?? Don’t dislocate your shoulder, patting yourself on the back.

“anti-life is some serious shit.  Darkseid almost destroyed the universe with it back in 2008”

Darkseid’s problem is that he didn’t slather on enough moisturizer to appear on Fox and state his case. If he had, we’d probably all be employed, building firepits & statues & preparing for his eventual wedding to Gov Jan Brewer.

Comment #52: MHF  on  11/18  at  12:13 AM

DWTS is still on the air? Why?

Comment #53: snobographer  on  11/18  at  12:16 AM

@kristin

faiimuden is a complete idiot w/ no clue there are such descriptors as “amused,” “contemptuous,” “curious,” “incredulous,” and “musing”.

My thoughts exactly.  My guess is that it is typical right-wing projection.  The troll feels nothing but fear and anger in response to liberals, so obviously those are the only two emotions that liberals feel in response to conservatives. 

It’s also evidence for the (pretty proven by now) theory that conservatives lack empathy.

Comment #54: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  12:26 AM

And yes, let’s keep bringing up how very devoutly religious she is as an unmarried teenage mother.
Comment #33: Blitzgal on 11/17 at 08:06 PM

I’m not picking on you, others have said similar things.  And I disagree.

Religious folk *love* the sinners.  Really.  You’d have no audience if you only featured people who never did anything “wrong.”

The whole delicious thing is that you can go out and sin and be a “bad” person and enjoy that, then come back to the fold and say you’re sorry and get the love of the faithful.  You just have to sound convincing, make it a good narrative, where the Devil was trying to mess you up, lurid detail lurid detail, but in the end you won.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Comment #55: oldfeminist  on  11/18  at  12:34 AM

@oldfeminist

Totally agree on the religious folk bit, but I’d argue that identifying that “lather, rinse, repeat” process as “devout” is about as legit as identifying Sarah Palin as “feminist.”

Comment #56: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  12:41 AM

No, no, anti-life is some serious shit.  Darkseid almost destroyed the universe with it back in 2008

In YOUR universe. maybe.

Back here in reality, he was too busy vice-presidenting and shooting people in the face.

Comment #57: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/18  at  12:45 AM

MAJeff #47:

I think it’s important to realize that the mentality here is the sort that can twist “every child a wanted child” into an endorsement of eugenics.

Comment #58: BrianX  on  11/18  at  01:00 AM

Wow, looks like I got the better end of the stick with watching Michael Vick have one of the greatest games a QB can have, and then reading the comments by the “conservatives” as the days go by and it sinks in that the QB position is ever more exposed to meritocracy than ever.  Who wants to watch a competition judged by the mob anyways? 

I wonder if these two events were related in a slight way—with Obama being president—that is pushing these kind of crazy prize-gifting?

Comment #59: shah8  on  11/18  at  01:19 AM

This seems like a case of the <strike>rich, popular cheerleaders</strike> average non-Teabagger populace looking like they<strike>’ve sucked on a lemon</strike> don’t quite remember who “Bristol” is when they learn that the rich-but-forgettable <strike>poor</strike> girl (is she the one who had the baby? And has the kiiinda nutbag ‘you Betcha!’ mom? Oh yeah her) <strike>in school, the one</strike> in the <strike>home-made clothes and</strike> religious family, gets <strike>elected Prom Queen</strike> to continue in a competition no one takes terribly seriously.

Tweaked slightly for accuracy. smile

Truly this is a magical age, in which a mediocre woman can move around in a mediocre way on a mediocre show and make grown-ass “conservative” adults flip their goddamn shit.

Comment #60: Bagelsan  on  11/18  at  01:50 AM

Trolls wrt to abortion is kinda like fundies and gay sex. People who have abortions don’t think about it nearly as often as the trolls.

There’s no such thing as “pro-life” btw. If that was the case, you’d all be against hunting, death penalty, and for mandatory organ donation. In other words, Jainist.

But you’re not. So you’re not.

Comment #61: Paladiea  on  11/18  at  02:16 AM

Also, mr troll, and I apologize to everyone else for feeding this one, but what poor little girls? Are there 14 yr olds being knocked up where you live?

Why not give them condoms? Or are you against that too?

Comment #62: Paladiea  on  11/18  at  02:21 AM

@Paladiea

And trolls wrt to the abortion is a lot like listening to a cis-man describe how it feels to shed his uterine lining every month.  I know what they are talking about pretty much, but they couldn’t be more wrong nor more obviously so.

Comment #63: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  02:31 AM

The Tedious Jerry B:

Take your idiotic talking points somewhere else. They’ve long since been refuted round these parts.

God dammit, this guy’s so lame I can’t even come up with a clever flame.

Comment #64: BrianX  on  11/18  at  02:33 AM

I will never get how Sarah Palin managed to pull off making millions of adoring Republicans think of her as the _opposite_ of fancy.  She was in beauty pageants, and did local TV news.  If she’s not a Popular Girl, I don’t know who would be.

Comment #65: FlipYrWhig  on  11/18  at  02:57 AM

FlipYrWhig@69—doesn’t everyone know beauty pageants are famous for their egghead bluestocking intellectual chicks who use big words? Surely a folksy lady who drops her g’s can’t possibly be one a them.

Comment #66: kristin  on  11/18  at  03:06 AM

Planned parenthood exsists[sic] solely for the moneymaker which is abortion.

Pro tip, if you shake your “moneymaker” hard enough the fetus falls right out and saves you a trip. (Real feminists know this stuff ‘cause we get abortions about twice a week, and we like to be thrifty about it.) smile

Comment #67: Bagelsan  on  11/18  at  03:08 AM

Oh yes, the luxurious and wealthy lifestyle of the “abortionist”. Ah, if I could only count the times I’ve heard Robin Leach gush over it.

Comment #68: kristin  on  11/18  at  03:18 AM

Ah, yes, I remember Leach’s famous sign-off: “champagne wishes and human caviar dreams.”

Comment #69: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  04:00 AM

William went to Eton, graduated from St. Andrews in Scotland with a Masters in Art, got his RAF pilots wings and on and on

I’m sorry - what now?  William going to Eton was his achievement? Sure, he passed the entrance exams, but there are plenty of people who could do that, and still not get to go to Eton.  The huge fees should give you a clue as to why.

And, whilst actually obtaining a decent degree is a first for a member of the Royal Family, a “Masters in Arts” at St Andrews (being a Scottish University), is the equivalent to an undergraduate degree.  Sorry, but that’s just not something you could call outstanding, education-wise.

Prince William may not be a lazy bum, but he is extraordinarily privileged.  I can’t believe I actually had to remind you of that.

Comment #70: Katherine  on  11/18  at  06:20 AM

@Brian X

Yeah, goddammit, stop saying “God dammit” or I’ll get all offended at you.  If there is one thing that you should be able to infer from our interactions here and from my login itself, it’s that the Third Commandment (or Second, if I am a Catholic or Lutheran Atheist) is the thing I hold most dear.  The one thing everyone knows about atheists, we absolutely loathe irreverence toward a nonexistent diety.  We keep trying to pass laws against it and everything.  Goddamn that pesky First Amendment.

Comment #71: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/18  at  07:57 AM

Yeah, Jesus fucking Christ, Brian X, where do you get off blaspheming like that?

Comment #72: Katherine  on  11/18  at  08:31 AM

Henry Holland @41, while I agree that Prince William has actually done stuff, going to Eton isn’t really an accomplishment - that happens by accident of birth (into a family with connections and a hell of a lot of money), not merit.

Comment #73: katydid  on  11/18  at  08:32 AM

“kind of wish they had a monarchy”

I’ve wondered lately about the apparent US fascination with our monarchy (apparently Hollywood knew about Prince William’s upcoming marriage before us- wtf?). A country that claims to be a proud independent republic, but holds the royal family in much higher esteem than the British?

The obsession with how Kate Middleton is a regular woman and not a member of the aristocracy is also being portrayed as a “rags-to-riches” story that appeals to those who believe in similar things, like the American Dream, but marrying into privilege is one of the oldest and least “hard work”-involving forms of social mobility… so bwuh?

Comment #74: Treefinger  on  11/18  at  08:36 AM

Prince William may not be a lazy bum, but he is extraordinarily privileged.  I can’t believe I actually had to remind you of that.

Bristol, too, grew up rather privileged and managed to make much less of herself. There is something to be said for a person who rises to the occasion of the circumstances they find themselves in.

marrying into privilege is one of the oldest and least “hard work”-involving forms of social mobility… so bwuh?

A rags-to-riches story involving hard work and merit makes everyone else look bad, while one that involves a lot of unearned good fortune is a much more pleasant story, in that it let’s the audience think, “hey, it could happen to me.”

Comment #75: Tyro  on  11/18  at  09:19 AM

Maybe if Bristol starts practicing and dances hard enough, she can give herself an abortion or possibly jumble up her lady parts, a la ski jumping.  IT’S A LIBRUL CONSPEERSY!

Comment #76: speedbudget  on  11/18  at  09:39 AM

Real feminists know this stuff ‘cause we get abortions about twice a week

Goddamn it, Bagelsan - I’ve told you that those fertility drugs only look like jellybeans.  Stop snacking on them already!

Comment #77: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/18  at  11:19 AM

Stop snacking on them already!

Well, the constant liberal orgies make me hungry. And developing a fetus into the 3rd trimester* twice a week burns calories like you wouldn’t believe.

*can’t abort ‘em until they’re ripe!

Comment #78: Bagelsan  on  11/18  at  12:04 PM

Ahhh yes, Planned Parenthood, a non-profit organization under extreme federal and state scrutiny, making boatloads of money off of a procedure that is all of 3% of their services. A surgery that, when compared to other outpatient surgeries, probably makes no money at all, since the goal is pricing for accessibility. Yay, wingnut logic.

Bagelsan, I surely hope you’ll share your “miracle-gro for fetuses” technique. I hate having to wait months between abortions! I mean, I’m a slacker and just get first-trimester ones, because the sensation of having your uterine contents vacuumed out, cramps, bleeding, and so forth are just SO exciting! I can’t wait!

Comment #79: TheRealistMom  on  11/18  at  12:21 PM

Speaking as someone who hasn’t watched DWTS, I don’t get what any of that is about.  But I do get that Palin is probably only STILL on the show because the show is popular with a conservative audience and that she was probably only EVER on the show for the same reason.  Wasn’t it in the news last year that Tom DeLay was supposed to be on it?  Have they invited any big Democratic names to be on the show?  They watch demographics very closely in television.  They live and die by it.  I’m guessing here (again, I never saw the show and don’t really care who wins or loses on it), but it strikes me that it is likely a show with a largely Republican/conservative audience.  That such an audience prefers an allegedly untalented, lazy, poor performer because she is associated with conservatives over more talented people is not surprising.  That some silly reality TV show, or whatever it is, makes its way into so much media is surprising, though.

Comment #80: DBK  on  11/18  at  12:34 PM

Conservative love for Palin is especially weird because she’s like the only vice presidential candidate in modern times to measurably hurt the ticket. The normal political scientist mantra with running mates was that they didn’t matter, outside of possibly their home state. Palin is actually supposed to have made a difference.

As a media darling, though, Palin does make plenty of sense. Her appeal is pretty much exactly that of Howard Stern back in the day. Some people tune in because they like her, some (more?) tune in because they don’t like her and others tune in just to see what she’ll do next. Host a Discovery channel show about Alaska, apparently?

I remember they had an actually pretty good reality show called “Out of the Wild” where a bunch of untrained people had to find their way out of the Alaskan bush. It was under controlled conditions, of course, but it was interesting. I was thinking I"d watch Palin’s show if it was that, but then I realized “Out of the Wild” was watchable primarily because they seemed to have gone against the grain of reality shows and picked a bunch of generally nice and well adjusted people.

Comment #81: witless chum  on  11/18  at  12:43 PM

Well, the constant liberal orgies make me hungry. And developing a fetus into the 3rd trimester* twice a week burns calories like you wouldn’t believe.

Well, at least that makes up for the fact that you’re on your back all day…

Comment #82: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/18  at  12:53 PM

Well, at least that makes up for the fact that you’re on your back all day…

Just on the back? What a boring orgy.

Comment #83: Well, what?  on  11/18  at  02:35 PM

Does that mean Bristol’s getting a bucket of pig’s blood doused on her in theDWTS finale?

  By PETA?  That would be AWESOME!

i gave up on DWTS when Cloris Leachman outlasted several decent celebritydancers.  I love Leachman as a comedienne but I didn’t think her appearance there was good comedy.  I occasionally watched to catch one of the good ones, like Yamaguchi or Nicole (drama queen that she was) but I like dance and I much prefer So You Think You Can Dance.  I did like Marie Osmond, despite her saccharine musical history, because she did work hard, got better each week and didn’t take herself too seriously.

So the wingnuts and the Palins can have DWTS.  It rarely is about the most talented.  Never cared much for it and even less now.

Comment #84: MiddleageLiberal  on  11/18  at  02:56 PM

Americans have always had a weird relationship with monarchy and aristocracy ever since the mid-19th century. During the early decades of American independence, most Americans were filled with contempt for monarchy/aristocracy and filled with small-r republican virtue. Even immigrants were filled with this feeling. After the failed 1848 Revolutions, more than a few Germans immigrated to America because “no koning da”, “no kings there.” Than something happened and Americans started to develop a romantic sort of fascination with monarchy and aristocracy. It started with rich people but really filtered down.

    My personal theory is that its because the American government doesn’t handle the pageantry aspects of national and political life well and many people are attracted to these sorts of things even if they happen to like living in a republic. Our presidents generally wears ordinary suits or at best a tuxedo. Other republics like France or the Latin American ones do a better job at pageantry and might be less prone to monarchism. At least their presidents but on a sash at times.

Comment #85: Lee  on  11/18  at  03:03 PM

Treefinger, I blame my recent obsession with the engagement on growing up with Disney.  He’s a PRINCE!  She’s PRETTY!  Her dress was GORGEOUS!  He popped the question in a rustic cabin in Kenya!!!!!  THEY HAVE BRITISH ACCENTS!

What do we get?  A Bush twin who married a Republican strategist.  Pass.

Comment #86: stubbles  on  11/18  at  03:12 PM

@88, I’m pretty sure that was just a figure of speech, not actual positions….  But I could be wrong.

Comment #87: helen w. h.  on  11/18  at  03:34 PM

She loves a Lord as only a Republican can do…
—Punch
magazine

I have nothing against Bristol Palin and wish her every success and happiness. I do think it’s interesting, however, that the same people who think it’s horribly undignified for Obama to allow (!) Jon Stewart to call him “dude” seem to have no problem with a leading light of their party, and her daughter, appearing on reality TV shows.

Comment #88: Bitter Scribe  on  11/18  at  03:39 PM

@Lee: Forgive me if I’m wrong, since I’m Canadian and so American history is more of a hobby for me than civic duty, but wasn’t there a faction that wanted to make George Washington king, which he refused?

Comment #89: BlackBloc  on  11/18  at  03:45 PM

@BlacBloc—No, but it’s been a myth since the 1820s.

Didja hear Sarah say she could beat Obama for Pretzeldent in 2012?  You betcha!  ;^) Just like Bristol is taking the DWTS crown, St. Mama Grizzly is destined, DESTINED I TELL YOU, to beat the Obamanation!

Comment #90: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  11/18  at  03:57 PM

Didja hear Sarah say she could beat Obama for Pretzeldent in 2012?  You betcha!  ;^) Just like Bristol is taking the DWTS crown, St. Mama Grizzly is destined, DESTINED I TELL YOU, to beat the Obamanation!

Part of me thinks it is a terrible thing to harass young women about who their parents are - cf Chelsea Clinton.  Another, more evil clownish, part of me wants Wassila Barbie’s accessories to get the full Bush twin treatment simpley because the meltdown into entitled tears due to butthurt thin skin will be goddamned AWESOME.

Comment #91: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/18  at  04:27 PM

BlackBloc, like Caren said, its a myth. What is true is that Alexander Hamilton thought that the President should serve for life, sort of like Poland’s elected King but not actually called King and that all Senators be appointed by the President. These ideas thankfully were scrapped.

Comment #92: Lee  on  11/18  at  04:38 PM

As a man, it really bums me out that I’ll never get to have an abortion.  You women have all the fun.

Comment #93: Ron O.  on  11/18  at  05:18 PM

Ron O.: As a person with sense, it really bums me out that I’ll never get to post hostile non-sequiturs on feminist blogs. You pinheads have all the fun.

Comment #94: Bitter Scribe  on  11/18  at  05:24 PM

“The conservative ballot-stuffing on DWTS is just one more example of why we can’t have nice things.  They have to come in and piss all over a simple, common pleasure in order to show “who’s boss”.  Anyone who protests so loud and long about how “discriminated” against they are and throws temper tantrums in order to get attention, is someone who would rather break it than share it (whatever “it” is - power, money, a shiny mirror-ball trophy). “

And this exactly fits with $carah’s M.O .  When she firs ran for Wasilla Mayor, word had it it was sort of a friendly non-partisan race to see who was wiling to answer the phones at the non-descript little city hall.  THen $carah came in to use it as a springboard to other offices, and when she was done, Wasilla was divided and in debt. 

Yes, DWTS has had sports stars stay on after they should have - sheer numbers voting for “their guy” OK.  But, this is different in the being willing to spend hours/days voting and setting up the fake accounts and borrowing cell phones and then going on the InterNet to brag and urge others to do the same. I mean, most people admit to watching at all as a guilty pleasure.  Yep, these idiots have ruined it for me too.

Comment #95: phylosopher  on  11/18  at  06:19 PM

Bitter Scribe - It was meant to be a riff on the mid-thread mocking of Jerome B, which I found hilarious.  Re-reading it, I can see where that failed.  For what’s it worth, I’m pretty off my mental game today due to sleep deprivation from a toddler that won’t sleep through the night.  Not that wit is especially a strength of mine anyway.

Comment #96: Ron O.  on  11/18  at  06:31 PM

Ron - Oops. My bad.

Hope your kid learns to sleep better.

Comment #97: Bitter Scribe  on  11/18  at  06:36 PM

Thanks for understanding.

Comment #98: Ron O.  on  11/18  at  06:41 PM

phylosopher at 100: In today’s fragmentated entertainment market, I doubt that anything can be called a common pleasure anymore. Its nice that practically every interest and group can find media catering to it, but sometimes I wonder if we are missing something important by having such a multifaced popular culture rather than a traditional mass popular culture.

Comment #99: Lee  on  11/18  at  06:55 PM

Get a clue.

Comment #100: Bitter Scribe  on  11/18  at  09:44 PM

He can’t because clues are tools of the liberal elite.

Comment #101: Lee  on  11/18  at  10:38 PM

Get a room.

Insufficient; our liberal abortion orgies* span many rooms. True fax.

And yes, I’ll definitely try to share my fetus growing skills with you all! Except maybe Ron O. ‘cause it sounds like he has his hands full at the moment… Basically, it starts with willpower. You gotta really want to speed-gestate that embryo. Talk to it like a plant (“uptake your nutrients, cell clump! Good cell clump!”) and make sure it gets plenty of water. If you can, try to squeeze in a little rest between all the orgies, too. Etc.

*do I mean orgies that result in abortions? lots and lots ie. “an orgy” of abortions? orgies that get stopped halfway through? I mean ALL of those things. ‘S nuts up in here.

Comment #102: Bagelsan  on  11/19  at  01:40 AM

Squeeze harder, its brain matter, you’re not really using it anyways.

I don’t know who told you that the thing in your hand was made up of brain matter, but they were wrong.  Whoever told you that women had them too?  Also wrong.

You are right about one thing, though, squeezing is generally referred to as “abusing” not a “using.”

Comment #103: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/19  at  05:25 AM

Poor pathetic JerooomBa.

Anyway:  DWTS?  JesusFuckingChristFellatingSatan, are you crazy?  SYTYCD alll the godfucking way.  REAL dancers, not pathetic noobs like BP (ha!) that already have to put up with JeroomBa bitterly masturbating to a poster of her all preggers and shit.  Give the poor girl a break, and never watch DWTS again.

This post paid for by Nigel Lithgoe.

Comment #104: Eric_RoM  on  11/19  at  05:39 AM

bitterly masturbating

Isn’t eating a lot of fruit supposed to help a bit with this issue?

Comment #105: Bagelsan  on  11/19  at  06:35 AM

@Bagelsan

I don’t know where you heard it, but it certainly wasn’t from Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, or The Bible.  Therefore, tt cannot possibly be true.

Comment #106: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/19  at  07:34 AM

BlackBloc,  what is true is that at first they didn’t know how the leaders of a democratic republic should be styled, and one of the titles rejected for the first President was “His High and Mightyness” before settling for “Mr President”.

If you like historical novels, you’ll find that and other history(except for when the author has a character speak to a ghost as he explains in the preface) in Gore Vidals’ Burr

Other republics like France or the Latin American ones do a better job at pageantry and might be less prone to monarchism.

Richard Nixon tried to do something about it, with disastrous results, and there have been no attempts ever since then:

So, like any great president would under the circumstances, Nixon ordered a redesign of the outfits worn by White House guards (Secret Service Uniformed Division). Unveiled in 1970, the new duds featured gold-trimmed tunics and rigid, peaked hats reminiscent of 19th-century Prussia. Unfortunately for Nixon (and appreciators of camp), the new royalist look didn’t go over so well. Critics howled; comedians snickered; the Beatles broke up. Rather quickly, the White House decided to do away with the Prussian hats. Within a few years the rest of the ornamental outfit was thrown out as well. And not long after that, Nixon himself would be similarly disposed of.

http://www.mentalfloss.com/trivia/questions/q-why-did-president-nixon-try-to-fancy-up-the-outfits-worn-by-white-house-guards/

Comment #107: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  11/19  at  10:44 AM

Blackbloc, if you’d prefer fact to fiction, try Joseph P. Ellis’s “His Excellency, George Washington”.  “His Excellency” was another of the phrases suggested for addressing Washington.

Washington’s role in American history is unique and not even the regard in which Franklin was held could match the regard for Washington.  One European monarch, (I can’t remember which one), speaking of Washington actually walking away from his executive position, said that Washington, if he did walk away from such power, was the “greatest man in the world”.  Washington could have been president for life, so high was the regard in which he was held.  He simply refused to consider it.  He didn’t even want his second term.

Comment #108: DBK  on  11/19  at  11:20 AM

You can see the Nixon uniform on display at the Smithsonian.

Comment #109: DBK  on  11/19  at  11:48 AM

Just looked it up.  I thought it was George III who said, of Washington relinquishing his power, “If he does that, he will be the greatest man in the world.”  It was.

Comment #110: DBK  on  11/19  at  01:35 PM

bitterly masturbating

Isn’t eating a lot of fruit supposed to help a bit with this issue?

Durian, not so much.

Um, or so I’ve heard.

Comment #111: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/19  at  09:09 PM

Lee @107, that was so perfect!

Comment #112: alysia  on  11/20  at  01:52 AM

Our good friends at Sadly, No have documented the lengths right wingnuts will go to piss off liberals.  You liberals want to ban smoking?  Well, fuck you, I’m going to smoke x packs a day.  You want to ban high fat foods?  Well, fuck you again, I’m going to gorge on pure butter!!!11!!!!!111   To all that I say…..whatever.

Comment #113: digitusmedius  on  11/20  at  02:30 AM

@Eric_RoM

Poor pathetic JerooomBa.

Indeed.  I can’t imagine how hard it must be to go through life never understanding humor.

Comment #114: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/20  at  08:40 AM

Thank you, Alysia. I have my moments.

Comment #115: Lee  on  11/20  at  09:45 AM

I’ve wondered lately about the apparent US fascination with our monarchy (apparently Hollywood knew about Prince William’s upcoming marriage before us- wtf?). A country that claims to be a proud independent republic, but holds the royal family in much higher esteem than the British?
Comment #79: Treefinger on 11/18 at 07:36 AM

“The US” is not the same as “some people in the US.”  The ideals upon which the US was founded isn’t magically conveyed to its citizens upon birth.

I mean, there are people in the UK who fawn over the royals, and those who despise them, and those who don’t care.  Shouldn’t all of you be fawning, based on your system of government?

In the US we’re not actually under them, so we wont’ have as many who despise them.  The proportion of don’t-cares is bigger.  But we still have royal-worshippers.  It’s just part of the human condition.

Comment #116: oldfeminist  on  11/20  at  02:14 PM

So, like any great president would under the circumstances, Nixon ordered a redesign of the outfits worn by White House guards (Secret Service Uniformed Division). Unveiled in 1970, the new duds featured gold-trimmed tunics and rigid, peaked hats reminiscent of 19th-century Prussia.

Holy fuck.

Sometimes an escaped joke becomes urban legend.  I think this may be the first time I’ve seen an escaped fact become a joke. 

The joke is twisted to be racist, however; it consists of the king of an African state descibing to the royal tailor a very elaborate and showy uniform, and the punchline comes in the answer to the tailor’s question about the branch this is being designed for:  “the “[African nation]‘s Secret Service.”

Comment #117: oldfeminist  on  11/20  at  02:26 PM

Poor pathetic JerooomBa.

Just because it’s never a bad time for the classic roomba post:

http://tomatonation.com/stories-true-and-otherwise/viva-la-roombalucion/

Comment #118: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/20  at  08:19 PM

I don’t know where you heard it, but it certainly wasn’t from Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, or The Bible.

I’m fairly sure that the effects of diet on ...uh, palatability… aren’t in the Bible, but am I the only person who feels like it sort of wouldn’t be out of place? That book has instructions for some of the weirdest damn shit.

Comment #119: Bagelsan  on  11/20  at  08:39 PM

@Bagelsan

That book has instructions for some of the weirdest damn shit.

I don’t know the Bible as comprehensively as some, but my understanding is that none of those instructions seem to be designed to make women’s lives easier and we know that the Bible doesn’t take a nice view of the men who would be partaking of that…um…palatable substance.

(I’m not sure I buy the argument that women were sent off to menstrual huts to give them a needed break during a time of physical discomforts.)

Comment #120: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/21  at  11:51 AM

There’s an odd contrast with the British original (‘Strictly Come Dancing’) where the talentless dancer who’s staying around courtesy of the public vote is Anne Widdicombe, a former conservative minister, who in her 63 years is generally assumed to have had sex less often than Bristol Palin in her 20 years. Except that the British public is apparently not voting for Widdicombe as a concerted culture-war assault on liberals through the medium of irritation: they’re doing so because it’s funny to force the judges to assess a middle-aged clodhopper week after week.

Let’s see how the Palinistas go over the next couple of years. Either it’s going to be hilarious, or smoke ‘em if you got ‘em.

Comment #121: pseudonymous in nc  on  11/22  at  03:06 AM

Looks like Bristol’s not going to be raising her pistol finger to the “haters” after all. Jennifer Grey’s just won it, which will be a comfort to her as she’s in the hospital with a slipped disc.

Comment #122: Blue Jean  on  11/24  at  01:34 AM
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