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The Republican Guide To Dealing With Black People

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(Remember, you can contribute to the recovery fund - I’ve got nothing to do the next two weeks but this.)

imageThis is a watershed year for both the black community and the Grand Old Party.  The black community because it’s looking pretty good that for the first time in American history, a black man will be president, forcing the rest of American society to treat a successful black man and a successful black family as part and parcel of American life rather than ethnically centered counterprogramming.  The House of Payne presidency, this will not be. 

It’s also a watershed year for the GOP because they’re now facing the undeniable obelisk that is the potential of a black person in an unavoidable position of power.  There’s no white manager to run to in order to get around the black boss, there’s no burying falsehearted appeals to the black community to find someone respectable to talk for them in publications with proportional black readerships that rival the North Face catalog.  The GOP, theoretically, worships executive power too much to completely disregard…

...Yeah, I don’t believe it, either.

Anyway, with the potential of a black person on Capitol Hill that isn’t a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, an easily-ignored lobbyist for the NAACP or wait staff, Republicans are in desperate need of a guide to dealing approaching and dealing with black people.  Let this, my friends, be that guide.

Approaching the Black Person

You see a black person across the room.  It’s not Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice, so you can’t ask about Norman Schwarzkopf or give a furtive nod to your fellow closeted conservative followed by terse conversation about the same wedding you’ve been talking about since 2002.  What do you do?

The first key: don’t panic.  The black person is neither natively violent nor natively angry, they merely seem so after watching local news.  I would advise only watching the weather on the local news, and should you need to view a positive media portrayal of black people in order to smooth over your budding concerns, turn to…er…uh…buy a Morgan Freeman movie where he helps a white person accomplish something.  Preferably one that’s PG or PG-13.  The last thing you want to do is scare yourself before you take this momentous step. 

So, now you’re about to approach a black person, likely for the first time outside of a forced social or commercial interaction.  Don’t offer them money for this, particularly if they’re female and/or well-dressed.  It sends any number of wrong messages, and may or may not result in your luggage finding its way to a Goodwill’s donation bin.  When you go up to a black person, approach them respectfully, with your voice at an even keel.  They do speak English.

I understand that from years of watching Oz and The Wire (or, more likely, hearing your blue-state cousin’s reports of said shows), you may be afraid of making direct eye contact with the black person lest you end up “shanked” or “splatted”, as you’ve heard the lingo go.  Do not worry about this - they’re television shows, dramatized for maximum impact.  I would advise not wandering into inner-city Baltimore on your first few attempts, however.

Look the black person in the eye, and introduce yourself clearly.  Make sure that you know their name.  In the case that you don’t, respectfully ask what it is, and commit it to memory.  Do not, however, call a different black person by that same black person’s name, even if you’re really, really sure that they look alike.  After introductions are made, broach a conversational topic - the aforementioned weather always being safe (almost always - try not to make any comments involving heat and “the Motherland”), as well as such topics as sports, general news, common acquaintances, popular entertainment, etc. 

Please keep in mind that the chances you saw them in a hip-hop video are infinitesimal, and better kept to yourself, no matter how much you think your new best friend is Nelly.

Groups of Black People

After you’ve made contact with a single black person, other black people may come around and join your conversation.  “A-ha!” you say.  “I watched National Geographic while I was tending to my hydroponic garden last weekend.  I brought shiny beads for just this occasion.”

Look, you idiot - this is why you’re reading this guide.  Keep the beads in your pocket. 

“But they’re a tribe!”

How would you feel if I thought every group of five or more white people was a soccer team?

“Theyre a gang?”

Just like white people, black people can converge in groups without violence or tribal dances bursting out.  If you notice that the black people are merely converging or milling about near each other, they may be coworkers or friends.  If you notice that the black people are standing in close physical proximity to each other and have shiny rings on their hands, resist the temptation to comment on their “bling” - they may be in a relationship or even married.  If you notice that they are surrounded by smaller black people, many of whom may seem physically or financially dependent on their larger counterparts, they are not in some sort of symbiotic welfare relationship, nor are the smaller black people any of a number of small-statured black entertainers such as Emmanuel Lewis or Muggsy Bogues.  These are children.  And the older black people are parents, not baby mamas and/or baby daddies.

Touchy Subjects

As a Republican, there are any number of touchy subjects that you’re going to find difficult to address with black people, due to your consistent and perpetual wrongness.  These include:

  • Slavery
  • Lynching
  • Economics
  • Voting
  • Health and Healthcare
  • Black Republicans
  • Every Republican administration since Nixon
  • American History
  • American History X
  • The Celtics/Lakers Rivalry prior to 2008
  • The black person you had a crush on in college
  • Hockey
  • Cities
  • Rural Areas
  • Education
  • Affirmative Action
  • Talk Radio
  • Your new black neighbor

This is by no means an exhaustive list, but should any topic where you feel uncomfortable come up, always pursue the same strategy: apologize.  You’d be surprised how much it works.

 

Further Questions

Right now, your Republican mind may be reeling from this influx of information, and I understand that you have any number of questions about how to behave.  Here are a few more tips going forward:

- Avoid any attempt to seem “hip” or “with it”.  I will guarantee you anything you think is a relevant and up-to-date reference is, at minimum, five years past its sell-by date and primarily used by exasperated white teenagers communicating with their parents about their cell phone plans or homework or sex lives.

- Avoid fried chicken and watermelon.  As delicious an idea as it might seem, save that for a later encounter, please.

- Avoid the addition of unnecessary suffixes to words.  No matter how funny or how much of a bonding activity it might seem, avoid substituting the suffixes “-eezie” and “-izzle” onto words.  You will fuck up in the process.

- Remember the Snoop Dogg rule.  I’m sure that in the early 90s, Snoop Dogg seemed like a rather threatening black man.  Rail-thin with a raspy voice and permanent scowl, he seemed like the vengeance of black America ambling its way into your children’s minds.  Now, he spends most of his time making Muppet videos for Sunday Night Football and working on new lines of energy drinks.  Black people are safe…just different. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 01:04 PM • (43) Comments

This is one of the funniest things I’ve read. Brilliant!

Comment #1: Dorothy  on  07/27  at  01:30 PM

What’s wrong with hockey?  If this was 20 years ago, that might be relevant.

Comment #2: KeithM  on  07/27  at  01:31 PM

I know this list is somewhat facetious, but there are some good things there, and here are a few more I’ve learned over the years from many conversations/discussions/arguments I’ve had with friends and coworkers:

Katrina and NO should be on the list of touchy subjects.  Been around and seen several examples of Katrina discussions going completely off the rails and heading toward thermonuclear.

I’d also throw in that it’s important to listen at least as much as you talk.  Other people (even Black People) often have very valuable information and experiences you can learn from, but you won’t get much if you’re talking instead of listening.

Never, ever - without exception - throw into a conversation involving a discussion of race that you “don’t see color” or you “treat everybody the same.”  No one will believe you, and you will have automatically reduced or eliminated the value of anything you might have said. 

There are a lot of black folks who are disappointed with their self-appointed “leaders” like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.  That said, if you are a white Republican, keep your opinions about them to yourself, and do not pile on if they start tearing them down.  You’ll only force them to defend those “leaders”, and remind them of why they have been historically important.

And finally, Martin Luther King would not have been a Republican today, would not have supported Republican policies, would not be supporting McCain for POTUS, would be genuinely pissed at how little progress has been made in the last 40-years.  Period.  (He’d probaby be pleased with haw close to POTUS Obama has come, but probably not pleased with many of Obama’s political positions.)

No matter how much you want to believe you can co-opt MLK, it’s ludicrous and just pisses off Black folk…

Comment #3: MikeEss  on  07/27  at  01:54 PM

Keith: Huh?

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  02:20 PM

I’d also throw in that it’s important to listen at least as much as you talk.

I thought that was in the pre-req, How Not To Be An Asshole 101?

Comment #5: LauraB  on  07/27  at  02:22 PM

I thought that was in the pre-req, How Not To Be An Asshole 101?

I believe Republicans are excused from that course because of the utter hopelessness of ever getting one to pass it.

In my next life, by the way, I want to be even half as funny as Jesse. Hell, I’d settle for 1/4.

Comment #6: Steve LaBonne  on  07/27  at  02:46 PM

I have seen African-American hockey players, including one wing named Cosmo Carter (real name) who quite literally dwarfed the opposing players and treated them like a car fender treats rabbits.  The minor-league team he played on (Huntsville Channel Cats) demolished my home team (Lakeland Prowlers) in three straight playoff games and went on to win the league championship.  The best moment came when I started seeing African-American players in the NHL.

So much for color barriers in sports.

Comment #7: The Wanderer  on  07/27  at  03:05 PM

I hope “avoid trying to be ‘with it’” covers old white people saying “Bling”.

I want to bang my head against a brick wall when I see that happen. Because as Lewis Black says, if I’m going to be in that much pain, its going to be because of me.

Comment #8: Ben D.  on  07/27  at  03:48 PM

This reminds me of an article I read in the wingnut media years and years ago where the author said she and her husband went out to dinner and sat next to a group of black people (man, woman, two kids) who behaved like ordinary polite people in a restaurant do. This writer and her husband were so moved by this sight that they discussed going over to the table and congratulating them. They especially wanted to praise the man for being a father to his kids instead of abandoning them and ending up in prison like black men usually do.

Took my breath away.

Comment #9: sophronia  on  07/27  at  03:48 PM

Who would have predicted this would be the most random thread ever?

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  03:49 PM

This post calls to mind a book from my high school’s library that my best friend and I used to laugh about—it was called “How to Talk to Black People” (or something like that) and featured on the cover a photo of two teenagers circa 1975—one white with his Shaun Cassidy glammullet, the other black with a mighty afro—smiling at each other like they’ve just discovered the solution to all of America’s racial tension.  Even as a young and unsophisticated lad, I could recognize the bizarre, well-intentioned condescension of the book.

I like to imagine that, somewhere, there’s a Republican trying to talk a black voter out of voting for Obama, flipping through that book like it’s a foreign phrase book—“But Barack Obama is… a… jive… turkey.  Word is… blond.  Bond!  Word is bond!”

Comment #11: Bradley  on  07/27  at  03:50 PM

Yes, but the white Republican may be more apt to mention something like “Black folks are dominant in so many professional sports, but not in hockey. Why is that? Is it harder for black people to ice-skate?”

Kudos for the deft humor, Jesse.

Comment #12: Orange  on  07/27  at  03:54 PM

het Jesse;

But I keep forgetting to ask about fried chicken and waffles when I have the chance. My friend and I are still arguing about the best way to cook greens, he says butter, onions and sugar etc, I keep trying to explain caramelized red onions and maple syrup. (French Quarter/ Creole recipe) He looks at me like his head’s going to explode. But I know there’s a place in Tampa that serves chicken and waffles, how do I broach the subject?

Really, the gap between white and black folks in the south is amazing: can’t wait to get his ass in New Brunswick NJ.

Jersey boy stuck in Crackerville.

Comment #13: The Pale Scot  on  07/27  at  04:32 PM

Yes I can spell “Hey”, just not every time.

Comment #14: The Pale Scot  on  07/27  at  04:33 PM

Yes, I know what a comma is,

Comment #15: The Pale Scot  on  07/27  at  04:34 PM

I dunno Jesse. I think you sold the post short with the title. Drop “Republican” and I think CNN has its next installment for “Black In America”.

Spot on and funny to boot!

Comment #16: metricpenny  on  07/27  at  05:02 PM

“The GOP, theoretically, worships executive power too much to completely disregard…

...Yeah, I don’t believe it, either.”

The GOP line on President Obama will be all about how “irrelevant” he has become, same as they tried with Clinton.

With Clinton, it lasted just short of two years.  With Obama…it’s so far from reality, the public might not even notice what the Republicans are saying.

Hey, you have your hopeful constructions, and I have mine.

Comment #17: Dr. Psycho  on  07/27  at  05:35 PM

I’m just over here laughing at the “Unitary Executive” stratagem and how concentrating all the power in the Presidency is going to serve the Republicans so damn well when the President is a black man.

Not to mention Congress is a filibuster-proof Dem majority with most of those new CongressCritters beholden to the Black Man.

Which brings me back to Byron Harlon’s ‘too cool for school’ reporting back when the Bears won the NFC Championship.  It’s a must-see instructional video for Black/White relations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_WzwfJodKI

Sooooouuuuulllllllll Train!

Do you love the Black Man?!?!

Comment #18: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  07/27  at  05:41 PM

This reminds me of an article I read in the wingnut media years and years ago where the author said she and her husband went out to dinner and sat next to a group of black people (man, woman, two kids) who behaved like ordinary polite people in a restaurant do.

This line of reasoning always boggles me and is so out of touch with reality it’s surreal.  If anything most of the black kids I’ve met have been more polite than the white kids, probably because they know that there’s a good probablility some asshat will use any evidence of them behaving like normal children to suggest that all black people are incontrollable animals. Or their parents know it and subsequently drill good manners into them.

Then again I’ve actually had a man apologize to me for the things that other black people’s children were doing. What a screwed up world we live in.

Comment #19: luzzleanne  on  07/27  at  07:57 PM

“Hockey”

Whoa, is everybody that embarrassed by Emery?

Comment #20: hypatia  on  07/27  at  08:05 PM

Dude, that’s totally fucking hilarious! Of course, what asshole Republicans ought to do when they enounter black people—or any other non-sick-fuck non-right-wing non-assholes of whatever race—is to shut the fuck up and get the fuck out of the fucking way!

Comment #21: PhysioProf  on  07/27  at  08:18 PM

Sorta off topic, but Jesse, thanks for posting that picture of our (hopefully) next First Family.
Wonderful picture, and those girls are *cute*!

Comment #22: grumpy realist  on  07/27  at  09:42 PM

Uh, the right way to cook greens is to melt a llittle bacon grease in the pot to cut the stick, add greens and a little water, salt and black pepper, and let them lightly steam until the leaves are a little soggy and the stems are just barely cooked. Adding a little vinegar will help cut the bitterness of overgrown collards or mustard better than sugar can. The acidic green juice can then be poured over the cornbread to add a little spicy and sharp kick to the butter beans or blackeyed peas. Add cayenne sauce or green tabasco vinegar to taste,

I grew up eating these traditional Brazoria TX recipes. We had a quarter acre plot and grew tons of greens and salad crops all winter. Can’t grow them in the summer. Can’t grow anything in the Dog Days but okra and hot peppers. Gotta grow the tomatoes in early spring through early July. After July 4th most you can hope to get is fried green tomatoes. If you try to let a tomato ripen in the heat it will either whither, be eaten by giant phallic worms, or fall prey to “hoppin rats”, which I think are known to others as the white eared vole.

Fortunately there is some overlap in the seasons. Enough winter cabbage and greens will survive to the first batch of spring peppers comes due that we could make chow-chow from the last gasp of the winter cabbage. Ah chow-chow, ground up pickled cabbage and hot peppers. If you’ve never had it, please try it. You might be ale to find even in the Northeast in the gourmet or ethnic foods section. No hot dog or burger is complete without chow-chow.

Comment #23: Bacopa  on  07/27  at  10:05 PM

“So much for color barriers in sports.”

...well, I wouldn’t celebrate the end of color barriers in sports just yet.

How many black Formula 1 champions are there?  How many black F1 race winners?  How many blacks have ever competed in F1?

How many black NASCAR champions are there?  How many blacks have one a NASCAR race?  How many have ever competed in NASCAR?

Other sports categories you might not have ever thought about: 

Black Tour de France winners.
Black world chess champions.
Black record holders in skiing.

Those are just a few I could think of off the top of my head.  Outside of “ball” sports, the color barriers are very much alive and well…

And we didn’t even get into other ethnicities…or the lack of women in most sports…

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  07/27  at  11:17 PM

Bacon grease, not butter, thats what he does, I once worked in cajun restaurant where the chef made vegetarian greens, Indian folk would travel 30 miles for that served with saffron rice. He caramelized bermuda onions into the consistency of roasted garlic, slow roasting and carefully rehydrating ‘em until they were sublimely sweet and then finish the dish with a little maple syrup. It was a fine example of tightrope cooking, balancing the sugar and the acid so that the greens was smooth but not sweet. I’ve tried to duplicate it but i’ve only come close, chef was notoriously secretive. but he had to be, the man was putting rue and shrimp stock into ketchup, calling it étouffée and charging 20 bucks a plate.

Being of Irish/Polish stock I’ve had enough cabbage to last me a lifetime. And you should watch an Irishmanorwoman cook a roast, it’s crime against nature, comes out hard enough to be fabricated into an antitank projectile.

Do you know anything about the chicken and waffles? Apparently the syrup goes over everything.

Comment #25: The Pale Scot  on  07/27  at  11:27 PM

And “gap” wrong word to use in my previous post. But the right word ain’t popping into my head tonight.

Comment #26: The Pale Scot  on  07/27  at  11:30 PM

Well, Lewis Hamilton is leading the F1 Championship race at the moment, and only lost by a point last year.  Of course, that’s the only one I can think of, and this year also saw the first Polish Grand Prix winner.  I like to think that means that F1 is reaching a wider audience, and becoming more open. I can’t speak to NASCAR though, because I find it mind numbing.

Comment #27: EClaire  on  07/28  at  12:17 AM

From Wikipedia: “After winning the British Formula Renault, European Formula Three and GP2 championship, he became a McLaren F1 driver for 2007, making his Formula One debut 12 years after his initial encounter with Dennis. Coming from a mixed-race background, with a black father and white mother, Hamilton is often labeled “the first black driver in Formula One”.”...

Comment #28: MikeEss  on  07/28  at  12:42 AM

Yeah, I dunno, I’m cajun and I think the best way to do greens is to sautee them in olive oil, (really any cooling oil you happen to have on hand, which for me in yankee-land is typically olive oil) with lots of garlic and red pepper flakes, in addition to the obvious salt and pepper.  You could throw a little lemon juice or a good vinegar in too, if you really wanted to.  Add a dollop of tabasco if you’re obsessed with spice
.
The traditional cajun meat-obsessed way to do it is in bacon grease, but then who keeps bacon grease on hand?

And sugar?  Sorry, but ick.  Maple syrup isn’t made within a thousand miles of Louisiana and is not in any way an “authentic” cajun way to finish anything.  Put it in if you must, but really, it’s probably something Paul Prudhomme invented from whole cloth, or Emeril brought in from New England.

Comment #29: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  09:24 AM

COOKING oil, that is.

You’re not giving them a massage!

Comment #30: The Opoponax  on  07/28  at  09:27 AM


Other sports categories you might not have ever thought about:

Black Tour de France winners.
Black world chess champions.
Black record holders in skiing.

Those are just a few I could think of off the top of my head.  Outside of “ball” sports, the color barriers are very much alive and well…

Well, first time I’ve seen chess considered a sport…

As for the Tour, well, no, but for bicycling in general?  Marshall Taylor, track racer.  World champion, 1899, American sprint champion 1899, 1900, and the world’s fastest cyclist for 12 years during the heyday of track racing.  Did a highly acclaimed European tour in 1901.

Skiing…now skiing is interesting.  First of all, skiiing requires snow, which sort of limits its applicability in most of the world where the majority of the population has darkish skin.  It also requires mountains, limiting geographical extent in countries that get snow.  It also requires resorts or other form of ski hills, where the budding young skiier can practice.  And since it is practice, this means that downhill skiiers (whom I assume you’re thinking of) need to practically grow up on the hill, meaning they live nearby.

So what percentage of the black population in the US and Canada, as an example, live next to ski hills?

Comment #31: KeithM  on  07/28  at  11:06 AM

Incidentally, one other factor is involved: where racial discrimination exists (in terms of participation in a sport) it might not be because of the sport itself but because of economic factors outside of the sport’s control.

Consider what you need, at minimum, to play the sport, at least starting out.  In baseball, a glove.  Someone else can supply the bat and ball.  In basketball, nothing.  Someone else can supply the ball.  In football, nothing.  Most of the places I’ve seen, the team provides the basic equipment.  Track and field, soccer, and many other sports, same thing.  The initial cost for getting into the sport is minimal to nothing (ignoring things like cleats, and so on…those can come later when the player gets serious).  And for organized play, the infrastructure requirements are minimal.  Big open field for most of them, small hard-surface for basketball.

What do you need to downhill ski?  Well, skis, poles, and ski pass (none cheap).  And a ski-hill (rather expensive infrastructure).

In hockey, players, not teams, purchase their own equipment starting off, so skates, stick, helmet, pads.  And the rink, assuming an indoor one so you can play on a good schedule for more of the year than outside conditions allow, not cheap either.

A final thing is that if the sport is a family/community tradition, there’s more odds more young people will get into it.

So you’re looking at high personal costs, and a high community cost.  For populations that have been disproportionally stuck in low-income status, as the North American black population has historically been, well of course they’re going to be under-represented in hockey, downhill skiing or other sport that requires expensive infrastructure (money the community likely didn’t have) and high personal expense (money many families didn’t have).  And then you look at the geographic factors I mentioned earlier (I wouldn’t expect many downhill skiiers, of any race, coming out of Georgia or South Carolina).

Even if there was absolutely totally non-existent barriers to participation within the sport, based on simple odds I’d predict very few black skiiers and hockey players.

That’ll change (as it is in hockey now: there’s almost as many black players in the NHL right now as there are total number of former players throughout it’s entire history).

I still doubt the Jamaican downhill team will be a serious threat at the Winter Games, though.

Comment #32: KeithM  on  07/28  at  11:31 AM

KeithM, Marshall “Major” Taylor was an excellent cyclist, and now unknown except by a handful of us weirdos.  He had one hell of a tough time.

Wikipedia: “Although he was greatly celebrated abroad, particularly in France, Taylor’s career was still held back by racism, particularly in the Southern states where he was not permitted to compete against Caucasians. The League of American Wheelmen for a time excluded blacks from membership. During his career he had ice water thrown at him during races and nails scattered in front of his wheels, and was often boxed in by other riders, preventing the sprints to the front of the pack at which he was so successful. In his autobiography, he reports actually being tackled on the race track by another rider, who choked him into unconsciousness but received only a $50 fine as punishment. Nevertheless, he does not dwell on such events in the book; rather it is evident that he means it to serve as an inspiration to other African-Americans trying to overcome similar treatment. Taylor retired at age 32 in 1910, saying he was tired of the racism. His advice to African-American youths wishing to emulate him was that while bicycle racing was the appropriate route to success for him, he would not recommend it in general; and that individuals must find their own best talent.”

So he retired almost 100-years ago.  And since then, no other black man has had the talent to be a world-class cyclist?  And out of a current world population of ~6.5 Billion, there’s no other back man who has the talent to match other (white/European) world-class cyclists?

I don’t buy it for a second.

Sure, there’s Tiger Woods in golf.  But where are the hundreds of black amateur, world-class golfers to replace him and match/exceed his accomplishments?

Where are the black Olympic swimmers?  The black figure-skaters?  There are dozens more sports where the black presence is very limited/non-existent.

I only mention these things to highlight a problem.  There are color barriers in place.  Why, how they work, what we can do to eliminate them, how we can prevent them from rising again — all those are unanswered questions.

I could just as easily name off sports lacking world-class Indians, Chinese, etc., so I’m not saying these problems are limited to African Americans.

If England can produce a world-class F1 driver (one!) who is black, why can’t America produce at least one Indy winner?  One black NASCAR winner?  One black TdF winner (or even just able to compete at a world-class level)?  One black speed-skater?  And then after the first one, produce dozens/hundreds/thousands more behind them?...

Frankly, I’m embarrassed…

Comment #33: MikeEss  on  07/28  at  12:18 PM

Seriously, Jesse, this was way brilliant, but I your list of touchy subjects and further questions could apply to many non-Republicans. A sizeable slice of America has little or no interaction with blacks outside of work (if they have any blacks at all in their town), and are likely to step on a third rail out of similar ignorance.

Comment #34: Pam Spaulding  on  07/28  at  05:01 PM

One black speed-skater?

You mean like Shani Davis (US, 2006 Games Gold 1000 meter, 2006 Games Silver 1500m, world all-round champion 2005 and 2006, runner-up world all-round championship 2004, set 5 world records)?

Comment #35: KeithM  on  07/28  at  06:10 PM

One black NASCAR winner?

You mean like Wendell Scott?

(Incidentally, NASCAR currently has four black drivers in their development program.)

Comment #36: KeithM  on  07/28  at  06:19 PM

KeithM, quoting myself - “And then after the first one, produce dozens/hundreds/thousands more behind them?…”

And that’s where things really get sad…

Comment #37: MikeEss  on  07/28  at  07:40 PM

You, sir, owe me a keyboard.

Comment #38: Skwee  on  07/28  at  08:38 PM

Since we’re talking sports, one generally finds that stationary goalposts are usually expected.

Comment #39: KeithM  on  07/29  at  12:16 AM

But goalposts aside…

And then after the first one, produce dozens/hundreds/thousands more behind them?

By definition, impossible, unless you are talking decades/centuries.

There can only be one Tour de France winner every year, and unless you’re postulating that black athletes are suddenly going to dominate the sport…

As a matter of fact, in the last 40 years, there have only been 18 winners.  There have only been 10 who’ve only done it once: in other words, 8 racers have won it a combined 30 times.  What does this show?  Even the vast majority of existing racers don’t win.

In NASCAR, at the highest level (Sprint Cup) there are only (in 2008) 39 full time drivers and 15 part-time drivers.  Only 52 positions open in the entire sport.  It’s not easy for anyone to get in there.

When you have a very low number of competitors, combined with a smaller percentage of the overall population that the African-American population represents,  combined with a low participation rate at the moment within that population…I don’t think expecting a whole whack of drivers to suddenly appear is a reasonable expectation.  Add in the additional factor that many drivers don’t actually win a race…

There’s nothing shocking about it.  Simple math is working against you, even if all other things were equal.

One other thing to bear in mind: as I mentioned before, when you look at many athletes (and auto racing in general is a good example of it), what you’ll find is that a large percentage are not first-generation competitors.  Given that, you have to take into account that to expect a significant number of competitors, you almost need a generation after whatever group you’re talking about gets serious about the sport.

Tiger Woods smashed the door open, but it isn’t going to be the kids he inspired who drive up the number of black golfers…it’s going to be their kids, who’ve grown up expecting to be able to compete at the highest levels, not because of one or two role models but because they grew up with role models in their parents, uncles, aunts, older cousins and the like.

Comment #40: KeithM  on  07/29  at  12:59 AM

Probably also safest not to say “How are you Mr. Mayor? I’m glad to meet you. How are things in your city?”.

Comment #41: Ben Alpers  on  07/29  at  05:53 AM

KeithM, you’re right.  As long as there’s been one non-white competitor in a given sport, the color barriers are gone, vanished, eliminated, never to return again. 

Major Taylor broke the color barrier in cycling 100-years ago, so there’s never been a color barrier in cycling since.  Or not…

“There can only be one Tour de France winner every year, and unless you’re postulating that black athletes are suddenly going to dominate the sport…

As a matter of fact, in the last 40 years, there have only been 18 winners.  There have only been 10 who’ve only done it once: in other words, 8 racers have won it a combined 30 times.  What does this show?  Even the vast majority of existing racers don’t win.”

And you’re right there too.  There are dozens of black cyclists who have won TdF stages and were on the pedestal in second or third place, many black “King of the Mountain” winners, many Green Jersey sprint winners…so many worthy black competitors who came so close to taking the yellow jersey…oh wait…no there haven’t been…

Sure there’s only a small number of overall TdF winners.  But there are almost no black TdF competitors, so no black man even gets close.  And that’s my point.  Now, to be fair, in my local area I see a few black cyclists on a regular basis, and this is encouraging.  There have been to moves in recent years to make cycling a more attractive sport to a broader range of youth, so maybe this will turnaround, slowly, over many decades…many depressing monochrome decades…

(In politics there’s is a very similar phenomenon:  There have been, and are now, very few black senators and governors.  So there have been very few - zero - black VP’s.  No black VP’s and a guy like Obama looks to some to be jumping “his place” in line by going for POTUS.  The same is true for women.)

Willy T. Ribbs competes in a few NASCAR races years ago…but where are the other black NASCAR racers?  Hell, NASCAR has just barely (and recently) become something more than a regional phenomenon — it’s traditionally belonged to southern white men, so there have been other barriers in NASCAR unrelated to color for many years. 

“Tiger Woods smashed the door open, but it isn’t going to be the kids he inspired who drive up the number of black golfers…it’s going to be their kids, who’ve grown up expecting to be able to compete at the highest levels, not because of one or two role models but because they grew up with role models in their parents, uncles, aunts, older cousins and the like.”

You may very well be right about that, but it’s really disappointing to think of it that way.  That means another 20-40 more years of a parade of the same old white guys continuing to dominate that sport… (boring…)

Comment #42: MikeEss  on  07/29  at  10:11 AM

Sorry, I meant pancake syrup, not maple, the cheap stuff.

Comment #43: The Pale Scot  on  07/29  at  07:47 PM
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