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The return of cartoon remixing

Fun Stuff

For this post, at least.  Barry has requested that the internets come together as one to make fun of an unfunny, misogynist cartoon, repairing both the humor and the anti-woman attitudes.  If you can include a little mockery of anxious masculinity and douchebaggery in general, so much the better.  Since Pandagon is the original home of these kind of cartoon remixes—-at least when it came to “Day by Day”—-and since Barry kindly made a version of the cartoon with the bubbles cleared out, I thought I’d participate.  Here’s the original:

I went to their website and discovered that a major theme was that women minds, desires, and non-sexual pursuits are nothing but obstacles between men and the vaginas that belong rightfully to said men. 

Anyway, I thought I’d have some fun with it. 

Guido

Leave yours in comments.  Barry said I could put a copy of the blank one in the post to make it easier if you want to photoshop it.  It’s under the fold.  But in the grand tradition of Pandagon remixes, if you want to go lazy and just leave your dialogue in comments, that’s also welcome.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 02:25 PM • (117) Comments

Since I don’t know the character names, I’ll call then Black and Blond for the hair color.

Blond:  Any luck last night?
Black:  Nah, came home empty

Black:  I don’t understand
Blond:  What’s the problem?

Black:  I try all the pickup lines from that book, and I still can’t get laid

Blond:  I don’t get it
Black:  Neither do I

OK, so it isn’t that great.  This is why I don’t write comedy.

Comment #1: James  on  09/17  at  03:25 PM

I went to their website and discovered that a major theme was that women minds, desires, and non-sexual pursuits are nothing but obstacles between men and the vaginas that belong rightfully to said men.

You weren’t kidding: http://leasticoulddo.com/comic/20100915

Comment #2: Ranylt  on  09/17  at  03:30 PM

Panel 1:
(Seated) Weren’t you with a girl?
(Standing) She left.

Panel 2:
(Seated) That was quick!
(Standing) That’s what she said.

Panel 3:
(Standing, off screen) We started making out at the movie, and I got a bit too excited. So I came too early.

Panel 4:
(Seated) Soon as you got into her?
(Standing) Soon as I got into the taxi.

Comment #3: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/17  at  03:32 PM

I’ll give it a shot:

Title: Least I Could Do - What You Wear is What You Are

Panel 1:

Bobby Bottom: What was with all her yelps of pain?
Tommy Top: Check me out and you’ll see!

Panel 2:

BB: Your wife-beater tee! So manly!
TT: Just like my dad’s! I try to be like him.

Panel 3:

TT: I turned on the game, popped a Bud, and then slapped that b*tch black and blue when she complained!

Panel 4:

BB: Look, you just gave me a chubby—again!
TT: Well, she’s still out cold, so we have some time…

Comment #4: Gracchus.  on  09/17  at  03:32 PM

Blond: Dude!
Brunette: Dude.

Blond: I have a penis!
Brunette: I also have one!

Blond: <sound of whistling wind to represent his thoughts>

Blond: Women, eh?
Brunette: <grunts>

Comment #5: emjaybee  on  09/17  at  03:38 PM

What the heck…one more:

Title: Least I Could Do - A Priceless Guide

Panel 1:

Norbert NiceGuy: Read your PUA manuscript last night.
Paul PUA: While I was banging away!

Panel 2:

NN: Yeah, I wish I were like you!
PP: But you’re a f*cking loser.

Panel 3:

PP: Just remember that b*tches don’t like sex. They have to be tricked into it.

Panel 4:

NN: Speaking of tricks, how much?
PP: $50 worth of crack. Score!

Comment #6: Gracchus.  on  09/17  at  03:42 PM

Blonde: It’s ten in the morning and you’re already drunk. Look, you can’t even open the fridge door right. Try grabbing the handle in the middle.
Brunette: I may be drunk, but at least I’m not editing the latest submission for my furry erotic fiction zine.

Blonde: I just read a great piece about a fox and a swan. It was like, poetic. I’m getting wood just thinking about it.
Brunette: This is why I drink.

Brunette: Remind me again why it is you and I are roommates?

Blonde: Because if we take off the ankle bracelets and leave the house we’d be in instant violation of our parole?
Brunette: Because if we take off angle bracelets and leave the house we’d be in instant violation of our parole.

Comment #7: Mighty Ponygirl  on  09/17  at  03:42 PM

Blond:  I am working on my art project.
Brunette:  Oh?

Blond: Yes, and I’m having trouble coming up with an idea for a self-portait.
Brunette:  That shouldn’t be hard.

Brunette:  Self-portraits are supposed to catch your inner essence, your YOU, your manliness.

Blond:  So I will just draw my penis.  Thanks, man.
Brunette:  No problem, brah.

Comment #8: speedbudget  on  09/17  at  03:45 PM

And I just need to add that I clicked through and read the other comic and between these two, I am now going to take a boiling hot shower followed by a dousing in chlorine.

W

T

 

F

Comment #9: speedbudget  on  09/17  at  03:47 PM

I think emjaybee @ #5 already won.

Comment #10: alysia  on  09/17  at  03:48 PM

And I just need to add that I clicked through and read the other comic and between these two, I am now going to take a boiling hot shower followed by a dousing in chlorine.

Same here. That is one rancid Webcomic. From the comments thread in Barry’s post, someone noted that the original artist left the strip because of its misogyny:

Just commenting that I read your article and have to say…you’re absolutely right as far as why I left. I have five sisters so drawing that comic just didn’t mesh well with me because I respect my sisters and they pretty much taught me how to respect women in general. So just putting the truth out there. No I wasn’t fired but after a minor fall out, I decided it was best to leave.

Meanwhile, another Webcomic artist named Jeffrey Rowland summed up “The Least I Can Do” nicely.

Comment #11: Gracchus.  on  09/17  at  03:57 PM

Look, Ma, I’m notable!

Comment #12: Aaron  on  09/17  at  04:01 PM

Based on recent RL convo with Nice Guy(tm) acquaintance:

Blonde: What’s the matter, bro-tien?
Brunette: Why won’t women go out with me? I’ll always be alone.

Blonde: Don’t give up, Bro-gram. Keep trying.
Brunette: I think I’ll go watch American Psycho. That movie always cheers me up.

Brunette: What’s the matter with your face? It’s gone all slack.

Blonde: Sorry. Your obliviousness made me stroke out for a second.
Brunette: You really need to see a doctor about that.

Ahh, what fun. Replicating dudespeak reminds me of when I [strikethrough] conspired on [/strikethrough] was a HUGE FAN of Powerup Comics, the best gaming webcomic evah!

Comment #13: kaje  on  09/17  at  04:06 PM

Thanks to Aaron @12, I now know which comic shop NOT to geek out in next time I’m in nearby Montreal.

Comment #14: Ranylt  on  09/17  at  04:15 PM

I actually really enjoy Looking For Group but the way he writes TLICD is disturbing.  I have to say whatever he is dong in TLICD doesn’t bleed over to LFG in any way which is kind of interesting that he is either compartmentalizing his severe misogyny or is taking the masculinity to an extreme to make parody of it without pointing that out.  I have no defense for him and his style and I wouldn’t even bother to waste my talents on tying to come up with dialog between two painfully stupid assholes.

Comment #15: Xeranar  on  09/17  at  04:18 PM

Blond: What’s a four-letter word for “hoo-ha” that starts with a T?
Black: “Todo”.

Blond: What? I can’t believe you didn’t go there dude.
Black: You wound me pal.

Black: I learned last night that women are to be respected, cherished and honored as the human beings they are, not reduced to a vile and insulting mockery of their sexual organs.

Blond: So, what brought about this epiphany?
Black: The brick in her purse.

Comment #16: Sarcastro  on  09/17  at  04:23 PM

I’m pretty sure the misogyny and assholeness in the comic is supposed to be the portion blown to all extremes to make fun of guys who actually think that way.

Of course, on the internet, who can tell?

Comment #17: Crissa  on  09/17  at  04:49 PM

Blond: I’m inviting your mother to our wedding.
Black: Don’t.  She wouldn’t want to be there.

Blond: But you’re her only son!  I thought she loved you!
Black: That’s what I thought too.

Black: But when I told her about us, she started crying and screaming about how unnatural it was.  She sounded like one of those crazy preachers on TV.

Blond: Wow, man, I’m sorry!
Black: It’s okay.  I got her a lifetime subscription to The Advocate…

Comment #18: MikeEss  on  09/17  at  04:57 PM

Yes, well, enough of them. Blind Ferret is blind.

Here’s a stack of worthy webcomics to properly clean your eyes on:

What Birds Know http://fribergthorelli.karrey.com/wbk/

Family Man http://www.lutherlevy.com/

Dicebox http://www.dicebox.net/

Templar, Arizona http://templaraz.com/

Subnormality http://www.viruscomix.com/subnormality.html

Comment #19: Yamara  on  09/17  at  05:16 PM

Blonde:  Weren’t you with a girl?
Brown:  She’s sleeping.

Blonde:  It’s the middle of the day.
Brown:  I know, we were up talking all night, it was the most amazing date ever.

Offscreen:  I took your advice and pretended she was, like, a dude from another country.

Blonde:  Yeah.  It blew my fucking mind when I first tried it.
Brown:  Blew. my. fucking. mind.

Comment #20: bellacoker  on  09/17  at  05:22 PM

So far, MikeEss wins my vote.  But Barry’s FRIST! original about women’s philosophers wins my Internets.

Comment #21: idiosynchronic  on  09/17  at  05:23 PM

Hey, wait - who says these tools would know WTF a budgie is?  It’s a bird.  That would be a feminine pet to these wankers.

Comment #22: idiosynchronic  on  09/17  at  05:29 PM

Polly wants a cracker
Maybe she would like some food
She asked me to untie her
A chase would be nice for a few

Comment #23: Ms Kate  on  09/17  at  05:53 PM

Okay, I’ve done mine.  It’s at http://doctorpsycho1960.blogspot.com and at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Super-Pics0

Blond: Jane, how does this sound?
Brunette: I don’t do guys’ homework for them.

Blond: Hey, I have it written already!
Brunette: You want to know how it’ll sound to your teacher.

Brunette: If he disagrees with what you are saying, he’ll give a low grade to even your best work.

Blond: I don’t know his opinions.
Brunette: And that’s your homework.

Not the funniest strip I’ve ever read, or even the funniest I’ve ever written, but better than the original, to be sure.

Comment #24: Dr. Psycho  on  09/17  at  06:08 PM

I love Subnormality and Templar, Arizona! Let’s be friends!

Comment #25: JilliefromChile  on  09/17  at  06:11 PM

Though that weird plotline where Pippi gets shamed for ‘lying’ about being raped is hella sketch, and I don’t know what Spike means by it.

Comment #26: JilliefromChile  on  09/17  at  06:14 PM

Blond- Dude- you totally owe me for the last three months rent.
Blackhead- I know, but I’ve got plans. 

Blond- Really?  That’s cool.  Hope it goes better than last time.
Blackhead- Don’t remind me.  Who knew sex with a horse would hurt so much. 

Blackhead- I still can’t sit on a regular chair without one of those donut cushions.

Blond- Sorry to hear that, dude.  But these bills are still due, and I expect you to pay your share.
Blackhead- Totally can’t fail.  I answered one of those Craig’s list ads for a stud.

Comment #27: drachonfire  on  09/17  at  06:38 PM

I’m pretty sure the misogyny and assholeness in the comic is supposed to be the portion blown to all extremes to make fun of guys who actually think that way.
Of course, on the internet, who can tell?

I tried to get into that comic believing it was all satire of misogynists back in the day. The problem was that it didn’t sound like satire at any point, and I grew to despise the comic after perusing its archives.

The “it’s just satire” defense is an overused one, pulled out even when there isn’t a whiff of parody in the product. The thing is, even if it’s meant as satire, it doesn’t work if no one can tell. And if it doesn’t work, it’s doing more harm than good.

Either way, I’d like to see some evidence that the creators intended the misogyny to be so overblown. I haven’t even seen that.

Comment #28: Cola82  on  09/17  at  07:35 PM

NSFW

1 Hey, you still gonna blow me for grading your papers?
—Least I could do, dude.

2. How come the beer?
—Don’t wanna taste cum all day, dude.

3. But say, dude, don’t you owe me a bj for changing your oil last week?

4. Sure. Your dick’s no bigger than this red pen, anyways.
—More than a mouthful is wasted, dude.

Comment #29: Hector B.  on  09/17  at  07:46 PM

Oh goddamn, LICD.

The only comic where literally every single comic manages to be worse than the average LICD comic.

Comment #30: Dan  on  09/17  at  07:53 PM

I’m pretty sure the misogyny and assholeness in the comic is supposed to be the portion blown to all extremes to make fun of guys who actually think that way.

Hahahaha.

*wipes tear from eye*

Nope.

Comment #31: Dan  on  09/17  at  08:01 PM

BLONDE: Still stuck?
BRUNETTE: Yeah, tried everything. It’s still up there.

BLONDE: Maybe bubbles will force it out. Try a beer enema.
BRUNETTE: Already on it, brah.

BRUNETTE: To be fair, it was a pretty big Baby Jesus figurine. I should have expected this.

BLONDE: Well, you know what they say ...
BRUNETTE: “CHRIST, WHAT AN ASSHOLE.”

Comment #32: cycles  on  09/17  at  08:13 PM

The more I look at it, the more the third panel irritates the fuck out of me. My brain keeps saying Blonde is the one talking, since it’s his slackjawed face that’s the focus of the panel. Having that panel be a reaction shot is so pointless, since all the faces are exactly the same. If you didn’t want to focus on Brunette, could you least least shut Blonde’s hole so as not to cause dissonance?

LEARN TO COMIC DUDEBRAHS

Comment #33: kaje  on  09/17  at  08:34 PM

My humble submission.

Comment #34: SporkeyO  on  09/17  at  09:08 PM

Blond: Weren’t you with a girl?
Brown: She left.

Brown: Pepper spray.
Blond: Ow. Dude, you starting to sense a pattern?

Brown: Eh, who cares? I’m used to it by now.

Blond: So *that’s* why your leftovers always smell like toxic waste.
Brown: Nothing like a five-alarm chili to protect you from the crazy ones.

Comment #35: BrianX  on  09/17  at  10:39 PM

Sorry, this is impossible to make fun of.  It’s just random noise with a “punchline” repeated twice in the last panel. 

It reminds me of my then four year-old trying to tell a joke:  confused intro that does nothing, then blurt out the “funny” line a few times.  Hilarity ensues.

Comment #36: gorobei  on  09/17  at  11:20 PM

Blond:  I still can’t figure out which colleges to apply for.
Brown: Go for the ones with the orgy rooms.

Blond: Colleges have orgy rooms?!?
Brown: Dude, I wouldn’t lie to you.

Brown (offpanel): I heard it from this one Christian girl I was dating, who said she had first hand knowledge.  Man, she was a freak in bed.

Blond: Went all the way, huh?
Brown: Yeah, but for some reason we had to skip third base.

Comment #37: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/17  at  11:27 PM

Goofus: Haven’t you been on the Internet an awfully long time today?

Gallant:  Yep, I had to beat back the Femnazis today, they were trying to use toxic shame to make me disown my hero-bro the K-man.

Goofus:  Did you mansplain, make fun of their looks and/or their lack of a lovelife, or otherwise make irrelevant objections?

Gallant:  Nope but they really demonstrated that perception is mediated on the psychological as well as the physiological level.  I learned a lot from them today.

Gallant:  But I have to face the fact that I’m an irresponsible fool masquerading as a feminist male.

Goofus:  But you found out before you turned 60, right?

Gallant:  I knew you’d find a silver lining to my cloud.

Comment #38: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/17  at  11:41 PM

Blond:  Weren’t you with a girl?
Brown:  We have four panels and maybe 40 words total to make funny.  Thanks for setting it up, Soren Kierkegaard.  WTF? Maybe I killed her, maybe God made her vanish, maybe I usually fuck guys.  This is so compelling I need to see panel 2!

Blond:  It’s the middle of the day.
Brown:  Way to advance the plot in 6 words.  Thank God it isn’t 8am and I’m heading off to work.  This is going to be a side-splitter, sock it to me in panel 3!

Blond: 
Brown:  Nothing to say, huh?  Thanks for wasting the entire point of a comic strip.  Lemme see if there’s any way I can salvage this…. 


Brown:  I came all over her tits
Blond:  You came all over her tits

Comment #39: gorobei  on  09/17  at  11:48 PM

Seriously guido? Isnt that offensive slur towards Italian Americans? I’m Italian and find it offensive. It’s been a bit annoying ever since Jersey Shore came out that people find it okay-dokey to use these terms. They even had an episode of Family Guy where they called the Italians guineas.

Comment #40: BeanS  on  09/18  at  01:00 AM

“Guido” as I understand it isn’t a racial slur- its a term referring to a a certain urban culture/subset of people, much like one would refer to “emos”.

Comment #41: TheRealistMom  on  09/18  at  01:10 AM

This comic is so unfunny, even the parodies lay there like dead bloated dogs.

Ampersand’s version was particular flaccid.

Comment #42: Eric_RoM  on  09/18  at  03:46 AM

blond: so, how did your date last night go?
black: pretty good, man.

Blond: I’ve heard that chick you went out with is supposed to be an awesome lay…
Black: Yeah, I’ve heard the same. Got some weird ideas though, said she’d like me to cook for her.

Black: Had to set her straight, told her cooking is for women and homos.

Blond: Awesome. So, did you get laid?
Black: Nah, she got pissy after that. But I showed her what a real man is like. she’s so totally gonna come crawling back, any moment now.

Comment #43: jadehawk  on  09/18  at  03:54 AM

The meta work being done in this thread is epic.

Comment #44: NBarnes  on  09/18  at  04:35 AM

PiaToR’s at @37 might not be purely in the spirit of this thread, but that’s the funniest shit I’ve heard all day

Comment #45: Tropes on the Run  on  09/18  at  05:11 AM

Actually, I think James at #1 nailed it. While a bit bland, it’s still 100% funnier than the unbelievably unfunny original, and also very succinctly, yet perfectly, lampoons the type of losers at whom the “humor” of the original is aimed…

Comment #46: EdoBosnar  on  09/18  at  05:14 AM

Ya know, I’m a bit surprised - and disappointed, to tell the truth - that no one from the webcomic in question, neither the creators nor the fans, have come over to chastise Amanda for being a humorless feminist who doesn’t get the joke, mansplain the subtle wit, and pity her boyfriend for having to be around her. Someone is napping on the job.

Comment #47: Matt T.  on  09/18  at  05:30 AM

@Matt T.

I am sure the creators are just too tired, making that “art” everyday has got to be draining.  The fans are trickier…maybe they got hung up googling budgie? (see comment #22)

Comment #48: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  06:04 AM

@Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein

I am loathe to carry an argument from a different thread over to a new one, but WTF!?!

What led you to believe that a thread mocking a misogynist cartoon was an appropriate place to mock the feminist women who post here for daring to disagree with you?  Do you really think that your version is an improvement on the original?

Seriously, WTF?

Comment #49: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  06:40 AM

@41 - Guido is actually an Italian boys name. It’s a slur for Italians. But I guess the waters have been muddied a bit. I wouldn’t rationalize using it. There’s always mook. I don’t think that’s ethnic.

@47 - Somebody did that at Alas. Longest comment in the thread, unsurprisingly. The defensively cavalier always go on and on and on about how not a big deal things are and how little they care.

Comment #50: snobographer  on  09/18  at  07:01 AM

And where exactly in my dialog did I mock anyone?

I didn’t like my points or what I wrote about myself distorted, thrown back at me, and being told that objection to such treatment or an insistence on accuracy as being characterize are both just manslpaining on my part.

I did like the suggestion that “college-educated wife” came out in one commentators mind as “wife in grad school”.

I’m going to suggest to my spouse that she goes for that PhD in Mechanical Drawing that she always dreamed about, it’s an omen.

Comment #51: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  07:08 AM

@Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein

You thought “Feminazis” was a sensible response to someone who misread “college-educated” as “in grad school,” and that characterizing our disagreements with you as “toxic shame” was a reasonable and respectful move?  If that isn’t mocking, what is it?  In addition, it is disrespectful to carry your contested belief that you were not mansplaining or making irrelevant objections into another thread to declare yourself “Gallant.”  If it was meant to be funny at the expense of those who disagreed, then yes, that is mocking.

Comment #52: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  07:40 AM

I accept the challenge.

Comment #53: Johnny Pez  on  09/18  at  08:15 AM

Why is that comic even 4 panels?  The last panel isn’t funny.  I mean sure, the first three aren’t funny either, but the last one is just an awkward moment hanging onto a bad comic for the sake of having 4 panels.  If you’re going to write four panels of comic, every panel has to be there for a reason.  This comic is just badly put together, in addition to being horribly unfunny.

Like Penny Arcade has 3 panels because they establish the scene, set up the joke, and have the punchline.  If you’re using that format, the fourth panel is just an awkward silence hanging there.  Seriously, how bad would this be if there was a fourth panel of Gabe posting on the internet?  That would ruin the joke.  Look at this horrible, unfunny mess and tell me it wouldn’t move from “get the shit out of my face” to “that’s dumb” without the fourth panel.


Also comment #38 was just embarrassingly pathetic.  Keith Olbermann said something sexist.  You acted like a total ass.  GET THE FUCK OVER IT, AND STOP ACTING LIKE A CHILD.

Comment #54: Toitle  on  09/18  at  08:18 AM

If it was meant to be funny at the expense of those who disagreed, then yes, that is mocking.

“We are entitled to our own opinions, but we aren’t entitled to our own facts.”

I don’t mind disagreement, I mind that distortions are made that can easily be verified by anyone who reads what I wrote and compares it to what I’m told I wrote later in the thread.  I came to my own conclusion as to why this was so(hint, it doesn’t involve any tiny brains, female or otherwise).

GET THE FUCK OVER IT, AND STOP ACTING LIKE A CHILD.

Yes, because this is a shame-positive blog, right?

You thought “Feminazis” was a sensible response to someone who misread “college-educated” as “in grad school,” and that characterizing our disagreements with you as “toxic shame” was a reasonable and respectful move?

I was mocking myself as being a Limbaugh figure in the discussion,(as well as the assertion that I defended Olbermann because he’s my hero, if I had to work as a sportscaster I’d kill myself first) and if that wasn’t apparent from the names I chose or my punch line I can’t help that part out.

In addition, it is disrespectful to carry your contested belief that you were not mansplaining or making irrelevant objections into another thread to declare yourself “Gallant.” If it was meant to be funny at the expense of those who disagreed, then yes, that is mocking.

Uh, you need to look up Goofus and Gallant.

We don’t need mindplaining to replace Google to understand the referents involved.

And I was dead serious about the perception part, in fact, I should commend you for acknowledging a commentator misread what I wrote, but her error wasn’t due to my ‘defending myself’ by mansplaining and such errors detract from the believability of the commentator, and is thus a version
of shooting oneself in the foot.


“Shut up, she explained.”

Sounds good to me.

Comment #55: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  08:48 AM

Blond:  I’ve been tabulating some statistics, and it’s funny how many men who think of themselves as feminists and feminist allies are crashing and burning on this Pandagon blog in the last week or so.
Brunet:  Why would that be funny?

Blond:  Yeah, you’re probably right.  I meant sad. 
Brunet:  Or disappointing.

Blond: 
Brunet:  On the upside, they’ll be looking for something else to read, and we’re perfectly positioned for their sense of humor based on male entitlement.

Blond:  Yeah!  Welcome new readers!  Rest your eyes and your principles here!
Brunet:  BUUURRRRPPPP!!!

Comment #56: oldfeminist  on  09/18  at  08:58 AM

Good attack, oldfeminist, nobody would’ve noticed me crashing and burning without your valuable insight this morning.

Comment #57: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  09:01 AM

@Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein

I used to read Highlights.  I know who they are.  I’m not sure you understand them, if you think you belong in the character of the good, smart, proper-social-skills role model. 

The names you chose imply that everything you did/do is always right.  Sorry, that’s the strip.

Comment #58: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  09:18 AM

Does he not see the irony of trying to insult her for pointing out the obvious, when the obvious thing she pointed out was that he is a dumbass?

Comment #59: Toitle  on  09/18  at  09:19 AM

@Toitle

I’m a bit hung up on his reading comprehensive fail regarding a children’s magazine.

Comment #60: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  09:20 AM

*comprehension, although it was a rather comprehensive fail at that.

Comment #61: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  09:21 AM

Good attack, oldfeminist, nobody would’ve noticed me crashing and burning without your valuable insight this morning.
Comment #57: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein on 09/18 at 08:01 AM

Yours is only the most recent.  There are at least two others.

Y’all just keep frontin’ and maybe we’ll forget, because women always forgive, because we have to accept you because you’re the very best we can get and without you there’s no penises for us and it would be teh sad.

Comment #62: oldfeminist  on  09/18  at  09:27 AM

Oh wow, I just went to that link, and I realized that I started a shitstorm and then disappeared.  Though it’s amazing how so many women on that thread said things I would have said anyway!  I wish I hadn’t missed that thread because I thought that was great stuff, and also, someone brought up a pet peeve of mine; jon stewart and codepink.

Darn.  I missed it because I left to go to a NYAAF fundraiser in the East Village Thursday night, of course, right in the middle of a TORNADO.  But it was a great time.  I should have posted it here, I wonder if anyone else who lives in NY would have liked to come.  THat would have been very cool.  NExt time they do it, I will post it.  What a fucking great group of people and not one of them would have defended KO!

Comment #63: JennyLI  on  09/18  at  09:32 AM

Yes, I’m such a dumbass for pointing out that I forgot my wife was in graduate school until a commentator was able to correct me on that point.

I’m not sure you understand them, if you think you belong in the character of the good, smart, proper-social-skills role model.

Um,  I was being sarcastic, I do not call feminists “femnazis” in any other conversations and I thought you’d enjoy the taste of demonization as much as I did, and I don’t believe in toxic shame as a valid concept.

The names you chose imply that everything you did/do is always right.  Sorry, that’s the strip.

Yes, that’s why I had Goofus deliver the reassurance after Gallant fessed up to just pretending to be a feminist.

Comment #64: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  09:50 AM

Y’all just keep frontin’ and maybe we’ll forget, because women always forgive, because we have to accept you because you’re the very best we can get and without you there’s no penises for us and it would be teh sad.

There’s bigger and better ones out there than mine, and I have every faith that nobody here will end up having to choose between me and a dildo.

Comment #65: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  09:55 AM

“They even had an episode of Family Guy where they called the Italians guineas.”

I don’t know if you’ve ever watched an episode of Family Guy, but there’s no “even” there.  They exist pretty much solely on their ability to make their white frat-bro audience feel edgy by shitting on whatever disempowered group strikes their fancy.  I know a lot of people cite it as their guilty pleasure or point to Seth MacFarlane’s generally lefty politics, but we’re really not the people bankrolling that operation.

Comment #66: preying mantis  on  09/18  at  09:58 AM

@Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein

Frankly, your behavior in the other thread isn’t really all that reassuring that you don’t toss around “feminazi” in normal conversation, and how am I supposed to know you don’t believe in toxic shame? 

And let me get this straight about the Highlights educational cartoon characters, you chose the two of them, one known for being right and one known for being wrong.  You aligned yourself with the good one.  You then had the good one explain the world to the bad one, had the bad one ask questions, left the last word to the good one and that was so that it was obvious that the good one was an idiot?

Comment #67: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  10:03 AM

I wouldn’t say “guido” isn’t an insult and can never be accepted as one now that some folks have reclaimed it (and good for them).  Which is why I have my character using it as an insult, along with insults he aims at gay and straight men in general.

Comment #68: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/18  at  10:35 AM

Or, to be clear, I’m a little confused about why anyone would think my version of the dark-haired character is supposed to be anything but a moron.

Comment #69: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/18  at  10:36 AM

your behavior in the other thread isn’t really all that reassuring that you don’t toss around “feminazi” in normal conversation, and how am I supposed to know you don’t believe in toxic shame?

Hey, I’d be all happy to dialog about Keith, but when folks start saying things like:

You’re willing to type a lot of words to defend a man who made the victim of sexual harrassment, or alleged victim of alleged sexual harrassment, the worst person in the world and said on national tv that she was dressed provocativly.

Then of course, I’m suppose to shut up because I’d be typing a lot more words to defend the undefensible.

I’m actually laughing at you.  I feel kind of sorry for someone who idolizes a public figure they’ll never meet that much.

It’s pathetic.

But, being a feminist man, I’m suppose to keep dialoging with someone who attempted to paint me some sort of pathetic “fanboy” in a judgment without knowledge, and I responded with the contempt I reserve for responses that are ignorant or lack any useful content.

That’s why I bring up the toxic shaming issue, I can’t determine people’s motives in why they think shaming me should work as well for them as it does for fundamentalist Christians talking about shameless women and their unmarried, frequently changed consorts, etc.

I’ve pointed to a greater issue of using tactics that one normally associates with fanatic Christian conformists rather than feminists who believe in free dialog without resorting to tricks that would disgrace a high school debate team, but I’m glad the dialog finally got that point across to you.

And let me get this straight about the Highlights educational cartoon characters, you chose the two of them, one known for being right and one known for being wrong.  You aligned yourself with the good one.  You then had the good one explain the world to the bad one, had the bad one ask questions, left the last word to the good one and that was so that it was obvious that the good one was an idiot?

Because he agreed with Goofus, the one known for being wrong.

What a fucking great group of people and not one of them would have defended KO!

Ohhhhhhhh!  Am I supposed to be scared?  Does one of them know who my daddy is and will tell on me?

One of the first things my father instilled in me as a child was Avenger’s Law #1:  People tell you what you want to hear.

Really smart people don’t keep that in mind sometimes, with all due respect, don’t be one of them.

Comment #70: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  11:48 AM

I used to love LICD. Every time I see Lar de Souza and Ryan Sohmer, they greet me with a high five and a hug and remember me from the last time I saw them.

But oh god, I couldn’t take anymore of those “jokes.”

Comment #71: Red Stapler  on  09/18  at  01:13 PM

EdoBonsar:  Thank you!

I went to one of the above links, and was stunned to see the original comic strip won awards.

Comment #72: James  on  09/18  at  01:49 PM

Blonde: Halo break, huh? Hey, have you heard about this stupid “Bro icing” thing going around lately?

Black: Yeah, about a thousand years ago, n00bfag.

Blonde: What do you think is the idea behind it? Is it a hazing ritual? A friendship thing?

Black: Gayass question, bro, but… Well, I think there’s definitely a hazing element, and like other hazing there’s also an anxiously homoerotic element.

Black: I mean, you’ve got guys demanding their friends kneel down, forcing fluids down each other’s throats, the hypermasculinity of overconsumption paired with the refusal to back down from pointless dares…

Blonde: Wow, that was actually a really thoughtful an—

Black: THIS BEER IS SECRETLY AN ICE! ON YOUR KNEES!

Comment #73: Bagelsan  on  09/18  at  02:32 PM

Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein, oh, fuck you. You got all over the top angry arguing with people who pointed out that several times Olberman has said stupid, sexist things.

You took your butthurtness with you to this thread, where you thought you could let your obvious anger (At… what? That you were pointed out to be wrong and acted like a jerk about it?) fly by using proxy characters to say what you’re thinking.

Nice dig at oldfeminist at #57. Because clearly the problem is her pointing out that you said many stupid things, not the fact that you said many stupid things.

And no, you don’t get to say stupid sexist things about beauty pageant contestants because they are participating in a patriarchal talent show. It’s called victim blaming.

Comment #74: banisteriopsis  on  09/18  at  03:45 PM

Wow, I was really convinced that Dark Avenger was capable of being obnoxious, narcissistic and juvenile. GOOD THING HE SHOWED UP IN THIS THREAD TO CHANGE MY MIND COMPLETELY.

Comment #75: kristin  on  09/18  at  05:00 PM

Least I Could do for Olbermann

http://s899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/sBagelsan/

Comment #76: Bagelsan  on  09/18  at  05:31 PM

http://s899.photobucket.com/albums/ac193/sBagelsan/?action=view&current=LICD.jpg

Er, here’s the proper link… I think.

Comment #77: Bagelsan  on  09/18  at  05:32 PM

Blondie: What does butthurt mean?
Blackie: Its when some sexist guy gets all upset because he’s sexist

Blondie: You ever get butthurt?
Blackie: Why would I, I’m never sexist.

Blackie: But sometimes women get offended because I point out a better way to be not sexist.

Blondie: Why are you walking funny?
Blackie: I think its what I ate last night.

Comment #78: ewellone  on  09/18  at  05:36 PM

Look, the world isn’t black and white and there isn’t any reason to go out of the way to insult people.  Calling someone misogynist because they’re railing against a network using women as objects seems… Counter-productive.

Same with harassing the commenter that pointed that out.

Comment #79: Crissa  on  09/18  at  06:10 PM

Crissa, he carried it into a completely different thread and dove into the renewed argument headfirst to resume telling women how they should shut the hell up because he’s such a great fucking guy. And *he’s* being harassed?!

Comment #80: kristin  on  09/18  at  06:22 PM

@Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein

Hey, I’d be all happy to dialog about Keith, but when folks start saying things like:

You’re willing to type a lot of words to defend a man who made the victim of sexual harrassment, or alleged victim of alleged sexual harrassment, the worst person in the world and said on national tv that she was dressed provocativly.

Then of course, I’m suppose to shut up because I’d be typing a lot more words to defend the undefensible.

As I pointed out in the other thread, you made the first ad hominem against AnglScarlett.  The fact that women responded to that in a way you did not like does not make you the good guy.  The fact that you decided that if women didn’t live up to the higher standard you set for them that absolved you of needed to behave decently makes you an asshole.

Comment #81: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  06:24 PM

@kristin

Crissa defended 3letterjon’s endless discussion of his penis and the lovely view women provide in his yoga class.  Just because men are assholes is no reason to stop being absolutely respectful of them at all times is the lesson I took away from that argument.  I assume this one will be the same.

Comment #82: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/18  at  06:27 PM

Amanda @68 & 69 - For whatever it’s worth, I understood that that’s what you did there.

Comment #83: snobographer  on  09/18  at  08:19 PM

The latest parodies:  STILL not funny.  This comic is a black hole, no amusement can escape.

Comment #84: Eric_RoM  on  09/18  at  08:52 PM

@84: I know, right? :( The characters are just too…oat-mealy or something. There is nothing to play off of. It’s the “Stars Wars Christmas Special” of that good-bad-movies xkcd strip.

Comment #85: Bagelsan  on  09/18  at  09:18 PM

I am completely out of the Olbermangate loop, but #77 made my heart hurt I was laughing so
hard. That last panel…good thing I wasn’t drinking anything.

Comment #86: kaje  on  09/18  at  11:15 PM

This is what I think of Beauty Contests, by the way.

Comment #87: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/18  at  11:44 PM

Love these remixes. Made some of my own here.

Comment #88: wembley  on  09/19  at  01:20 AM

Dark Avenger, you come to a feminist blog and throw around the word “feminazi”?  You’re a troll.

People, I recommend the usual advice re. trolls - do not feed and perhaps he’ll go away.

Comment #89: Katherine  on  09/19  at  05:10 AM

Dark Avenger has been posting here (mostly on political issues) for a while and was generally agreeable; he’s just having his sexist melt-down, as is typical for fauxgressive men on the internet.  He’ll probably burn out eventually, and them make a resurgence on some MRA site where he can whine about the feminazis who oppressed him on an internet comment thread among like-minded company.

Really, it happens quite often.

Comment #90: Toitle  on  09/19  at  07:09 AM

@62: “Yours is only the most recent.  There are at least two others.”
I’m sure there are more than two, and some that didn’t cash&burn;yet are giving signs. I remember a thread where someone went down visibly, taking most of the attention, letting someone else pass by unnoticed with saying that he keeps secret when he’s been with “loose women” (I can only assume because it’s so shameful). I asked about it but it went unanswered. I even though maybe loose women has a different meaning in English and I was upset for no reason but I just googled and the first result that isn’t about some movie/tv show was in AskMen, an article on how to tell when a woman is a screwed-in-the-head nympho.

Comment #91: colorlessblue  on  09/19  at  07:50 AM

I still can’t get over your mind-reading abilities and predictive insight, Totie, did you learn them from reading the back of a cereal box or are you just naturally gifted that way?

Comment #92: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  09/19  at  09:48 AM

I learned it because turtles never forget.

Comment #93: Toitle  on  09/19  at  10:14 AM

Just write “I am not a homosexual” in each balloon.

Comment #94: Timezoned  on  09/19  at  11:41 AM

wembley, those are fantastic! I especially like 2 and 3. How could I have forgotten the cardinal fangirl rule that, if two male characters are not-ugly physically but have terrible personalities, slashing them together always makes it better? ;p

Comment #95: Bagelsan  on  09/19  at  06:38 PM

Nice threadjack, BTW.  A classic.

Comment #96: Johnny Pez  on  09/19  at  07:16 PM

The first artist quit in the end because he found the comic was far too demeaning.

Which is really the most offensive thing of all here. This comic has a dedicated writer.

A dedicated writer, and quite outside all the issues, this is the best level of ‘comedy’ he can come up with.

Comment #97: Alex051  on  09/19  at  08:49 PM

At least it isn’t Shredded Moose.

incidentally, I was just looking for a no-revenue-for-jackasses image for one of the worse examples from that webcomic. I did not know there was a Bad Webcomic Wiki.

I have found a new timesink. Excuse me while I pour a tall glass of haterade and explain to someone why Dresden Codak is terrible.

Comment #98: karpad  on  09/20  at  01:14 AM

Just occurred to me that blondie has his mouth agape in the panel where he’s not talking. Was the artist two lazy to check another character model for him when doing this strip?

I think its a profound act of restraint that this hasn’t been repaired exclusively with slash fic. It just seems to fit so well here.

Comment #99: BStu  on  09/20  at  01:35 AM

clearly, you spent little time actually reading this strip. had you done so, you’d have realized that the characters, as rendered, are actually the opposite of what you have determined. this seems to be one of those strips (much like doonesbury) that you have to keep up with, to appreciate the intent. the primary character is portrayed as a narcisisist, woman using, arrogant asshole. he knows it, admits it, revels in it, and his friends, recognizing it as well, shred him constantly for it.

his immaturaty is the whole point, and he very often gets his comeuppance. now i will grant you, some of the stuff is pretty rude, but the author makes it clear, through the other characters, that he’s hardly recommending this guy as any kind of role model, quite the opposite.

i suggest you go back through the archives, to get a bigger picture appreciation of the strip, i submit you’ll change your opinion. or maybe not.

Comment #100: cpinva  on  09/20  at  07:13 AM

Er . . . no.  I used to read LICD before it got too offensive and glorified the main character’s choices too proudly.

Comment #101: Punditus Maximus  on  09/20  at  08:11 AM

@cpinva

clearly, you spent little time actually reading this strip. had you done so, you’d have realized that the characters, as rendered, are actually the opposite of what you have determined.

You’d think the author would have explained that to stop his first artist from quitting over the misogyny (or that the guy who drew the fucking thing would have figured it out eventually if all it takes is a bit of time reading it).

That is one rancid Webcomic. From the comments thread in Barry’s post, someone noted that the original artist left the strip because of its misogyny:

Just commenting that I read your article and have to say…you’re absolutely right as far as why I left. I have five sisters so drawing that comic just didn’t mesh well with me because I respect my sisters and they pretty much taught me how to respect women in general. So just putting the truth out there. No I wasn’t fired but after a minor fall out, I decided it was best to leave.

This was already noted by Gracchus earlier (I quoted the comment at #11), but here is the link to source of the original Trevor Adams quotation on The Bad Webcomics Wiki.

This is from an interview with the <strike>asshole</strike> dude responsible for writing the thing:

Steve Magnum: Is Rayne your id given illustrated form? Or are there other influences for his character?

Ryan Sohmer: Rayne is a very, very idealized version of me when I was younger. I took some of my worst traits, and some of my best, and magnified them to make this character. Sadly, I had to grow up eventually, but Rayne never does.

Aside from me though, I’d have to say that Rayne is a little bit of every man. We all have our piggish thoughts, we all have healthy imaginations and we all enjoy sex (if you don’t, I’d recommend seeking some professional help…or a hammer to your temple). Rayne is all that, but without the self-control, or desire for that self-control, to restrain any of his impulses. What he wants, what he feels like, he goes for.

From a different interview:

Ryan: Rayne is based on me, or better yet the ‘me’ that I envisioned myself to be when intoxicated.  Yeah, that sounds about right.

And a third:

The inspiration behind [Least I Could Do] was an idea that had been percolating for about five years, and the gist of it was to take my adolescent experiences, embellish, glamorize and severely exaggerate them, and see what came out of it.[...] Rayne is the conduit I often use for things I wish I could do or say, but people and the legal system are a lot more forgiving in his world than ours.

Maybe Ryan Sohmer should spend a bit of time reading the archives of his strip so that he understands it correctly.

Comment #102: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/20  at  08:38 AM

@102

Rayne is the conduit I often use for things I wish I could do or say, but people and the legal system are a lot more forgiving in his world than ours.

Him mentioning the legal system is just chilling, particularly in light of the violence ever so slightly suggested in the cartoon at top.

Comment #103: Tropes on the Run  on  09/20  at  09:30 AM

“I want to do illegal acts of misogyny in real life but I can’t get away with it so I use Rayne as conduit”? What?

Comment #104: colorlessblue  on  09/20  at  12:08 PM

As if the quotes @102 weren’t enough, no one with a functioning brain stem could read the story line from this strip  and conclude the point is to ridicule Rayne’s character.

Comment #105: kristin  on  09/20  at  01:13 PM

his immaturaty is the whole point, and he very often gets his comeuppance.

Yeah… he totally never gets his comeuppance. I read the whole damn thing a while ago, waiting for that to happen, and it just doesn’t. He gets laid, he gets a 6-figure salary... but no comeuppance.

Comment #106: Bagelsan  on  09/20  at  01:48 PM

I mean, I’m not coming at this from an ignorant/context-free perspective nor do I have a very high bar for webcomic feminism (I still think the dickwolves comic is hella funny. Bad feminist! :p) so the “if you’d only understand…!” defense really doesn’t fly. LICD is one of those webcomics I’ll come back to and think ‘surely it’s not as bad as I remember’ but it always is. Or it’s worse. So yeah.

Comment #107: Bagelsan  on  09/20  at  01:54 PM

i’d never seen or heard of LICD, before this thread. based on the initial post, and the comments, i was aghast that something so obviously mysogonistic would appear to be so popular. given the link in one of the posts, i decided to take a peek for myself, to see if the panel was representative of the strip as a whole, or maybe just a bad day by the author.

it’s a parody. maybe not a good parody, but a parody nonetheless. rayne is the guy everyone loves to hate, especially women, and rightly so. however, to suggest he doesn’t ever get his comeuppance is to admit, publicly, that you’ve only read a few of the strips:

1. in several storylines, his “antics” end up with him in jail, enjoying the “company” of his fellow inmates.

2. the women who know him tend to view him as ms. marcotte, and most of the posters (including me) do, immature, self-aggrandizing, and solely focussed on sex. let’s be real here, how many 24 year-old (and older) males do you know, who aren’t focussed on sex? they do not find 16 year-old emotional level appealing, and let him know it, frequently.

3. his more ridiculous stunts normally don’t end well, with him either in the hospital or jail.

basically (and per the author, from the interview bit reprinted above), rayne is the stereotypical 16 year-old male id (the one most of us guys look back on with horror), while most of his friends have grown up, emotionally.

as i noted, i’m not suggesting it’s great parody, or even great comic stripping, but i found it amusing, just wondering what other dumbass thing he was going to do, that seemed like a great idea (to him) at the time.

yes, he gets laid, a lot. yes, he makes good money. so what? he doesn’t force anyone to have sex with him, and he seems to spend a lot of that money fixing things broken by his stupid antics. does he “use” women? sure, that’s what guys like him do, it’s their job description. you’d think the word would get around, but it is only a comic strip.

Comment #108: cpinva  on  09/20  at  03:46 PM

to suggest he doesn’t ever get his comeuppance is to admit, publicly, that you’ve only read a few of the strips

Pretty sure I covered that supposed “admittance” in the part where I said “I read the whole damn thing”—to clarify, I’ve read the archives at least twice on separate occasions. (Whereas you…just looked at it now, I guess? But you know it intimately?) I don’t see the prison bits as comeuppance; they’re just a gay/rape joke (lol prisonrape!) and don’t phase the character in the least.

And the fact that women don’t all view him favorably isn’t comeuppance either—the ones he actually cares about all do put up with him, such as his female boss. Having the other ones get pissed off and slink away feeling used is part of the fantasy not a comeuppance. Not to mention that many of the female characters don’t get to “view” him one way or another—we certainly never get the POV of the prostitute he pays $1 to blow a horse do we? Women are not human—the character doesn’t give a shit what they think and the audience isn’t supposed to either.

but it is only a comic strip.

I think the second you follow up a 7 paragraph defense of a webcomic with “it’s only a comic” you instantly lose. :p

Comment #109: Bagelsan  on  09/20  at  04:49 PM

@cpinva

basically (and per the author, from the interview bit reprinted above), rayne is the stereotypical 16 year-old male id (the one most of us guys look back on with horror), while most of his friends have grown up, emotionally.

Yes, but the not-growing-up is a good thing.  It is, in fact, the fucking point of the strip.  And this isn’t just a stereotypical 15-year-old male id, it is the glamorized version of that id, he beautiful thing that the author believes resides inside all men and would get to come out and play more often if it weren’t for all those damn <strike>women</strike> other people and their fucking laws.

Comment #110: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/20  at  05:48 PM

The fact that a male employee of the strip quit explicitly because of what a misogynist piece of crap it is should be the end of the discussion.

Comment #111: Punditus Maximus  on  09/20  at  06:18 PM

all those damn <strike>women</strike> other people

Silly Atheist, women isn’t people! :p

Comment #112: Bagelsan  on  09/20  at  09:23 PM

@Bagelsan

I keep forgetting.  Luckily, there are brilliant satirists like Ryan Sohmer to remind me.  It really is a shame that we all have nothing better to do than make up sexism everywhere to be angry against.  Clearly, if we just gave everything a bit more time, we’d realize how wrong we are.  Damn my feminine rush-to-judgment.

Comment #113: Atheist, A Feminist  on  09/20  at  09:44 PM

It really is a shame that we all have nothing better to do than make up sexism everywhere to be angry against.

It’s ‘cause we feminists are unfuckable. *serious nod* I mean, take that character as an example; he fucks people alla time and he loves the status quo! He doesn’t see sexism anywhere. We need that kind of equanimity. Via injection, naturally.

Comment #114: Bagelsan  on  09/21  at  01:56 AM

I don’t know, cpinva, most of the men I know are able to function in the world and not be constantly focused on sexing me or other women in their vicinity.

I suggest you raise the bar on your expectations, and I imagine you will be greatly pleased with what you find.

Comment #115: speedbudget  on  09/21  at  09:04 AM

You’d have to be a moron to think that this cartoon is anything except the purest expression of self-love by the cartoonist, based on everything he says about the cartoon.

And as far as the main douchebag character getting comeuppance or some such - you do realize that the last panel is supposed to be the punchline - a funny punchline. Like hah hah it’s funny cause it’s true.

http://cdn.leasticoulddo.com/comics/20100917.gif

Because you see, the bitch didn’t just lie there and get fucked - she actually expressed some preferences for how to get fucked. Which was so exasperating for the douchebag that he compares it to parking a big truck.

The cartoon is exactly what you would expect from an asshole.

Comment #116: Nancy  on  09/22  at  02:08 AM

Because you see, the bitch didn’t just lie there and get fucked - she actually expressed some preferences for how to get fucked. Which was so exasperating for the douchebag that he compares it to parking a big truck.

For fuck’s sake, how many times to we have to go over this? It’s not a truck. It’s a series of tubes.

Comment #117: Byronic Commando  on  09/22  at  04:37 PM
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