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The stupidity bar keeps getting lower

ChoadsFeminism

What part of the word “choice” do these morons not understand?

I don’t know if it’s just that I got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning or what, but it seems to me that misogyny levels in this country are getting perilously high lately.  What the fuck is up with that?  It isn’t just this stupid cartoonist and all his anti-choice ilk who literally do not understand that women have wills and that we make choices.  This meme is spreading to ostensibly “pro-choice” sexist asswipes, too, like Chris Matthews, who seems to have bought into the idea that there’s no difference between voluntary and mandatory contraception.  Because, once again, to accept that there’s a difference is to accept that women have minds of our own, and we can’t have that. 

I definitely think that a lot of right wing men are just throwing a giant temper tantrum because, despite the Medicaid birth control debacle, Obama and congressional Democrats are gutting an anti-feminist project that they’ve been working for years on. Jill has it right to compare the picture of the signing of the Partial Birth Abortion Act with the picture of the signing of the Lilly Ledbetter Act.


But it’s downright comical how stupid the ‘nuts have gotten in retaliation.  Like these two posts I read on Lawyers, Guns, and Money—-Dick Armey tells Joan Walsh he’s glad he’s not married to her (due to her unfortunate willingness to express an opinion, which is so unladylike) and this bizarre rant from Jules Crittenden against Jessica Alba, of all people.  (Scott on why this is so stupid.)  Make no mistake—-Crittenden’s “argument” is that Alba’s job as a woman is to be a mindless sexbot without opinions or ideas.

No one expects her to be consistent, or even smart. They just expect her to be hot.

Wicked hot. Girl should stick to doing what she does best.

Once again, I’m reminded of how often “compliments” about your sexual attractiveness from certain men are actually sexist blather designed to remind you that no matter what, they think that the mere fact that you’re a woman means you’re worth nothing.  Which of course makes it that much harder for men to safely offer a genuine compliment without freaking a woman out.  If you want a quick lesson in how this level of misogyny is rooted in male insecurity—-not that Crittenden, being an asshole and stupid to boot, should have any opinion of himself other than a very low one—-that post should be instructive.  Crittenden isn’t just lashing out at a woman for being attractive and unavailable, he’s also—-and rightfully—-insecure about his own intelligence and writes a long, tedious post for no other reason other than to try to convince himself and others that he’s intellectual. 

Is it just me, or are rancid sexists starting to stink even more lately?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 08:19 PM • (88) Comments

You’re surprised that they’re taking their loss of power like the spoiled, tantrumy brats they are? ENJOY the tantrums, they’re the emblem of their new powerlessness.

Comment #1: Steve LaBonne  on  01/29  at  08:23 PM

Ah, Glenn “My Head is Up my Ass” McCoy ... the Jack Chick of the anti-abortion movement.

Steve’s got it ... they’re pissy because they lost during this last election cycle.  Nothing makes them more insufferable.  I do enjoy seeing the picture of Obama signing the Ledbetter Act ... it’s odd to see real live women surrounding the president during these signings ... and smiling, even.

Comment #2: Joshua  on  01/29  at  08:27 PM

Yeah, it’s probably a wrong side of the bed thing, Steve.  Last week I kept reading Michelle Malkin like an addict, just feeding on her pain.

Comment #3: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/29  at  08:33 PM

Ooh, that’s a bad case. Take two issues of The Nation and call me in the morning. wink

Comment #4: Steve LaBonne  on  01/29  at  08:34 PM

Is it just me or does the cartoonist make Obama look a bit like Nixon?

Comment #5: chingona  on  01/29  at  08:37 PM

God DAMN Dick Armey is a stupid fucking man. He’s the spitting image of every dumb old white man I’ve ever met who thinks he’s smart despite all evidence to the contrary because everyone’s afraid to tell stupid old white men the truth.  You know, I bet he trolls liberal blogs, because he comes across as one our resident fatheads.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/29  at  08:38 PM

I don’t want to go visit my parents anymore because it’s ALL FOX ALL TEH TIME on TV, my father is one step away from burying his guns in the back years, and my mother <3’s Sarah Palin. 

They have both gotten FAR worse since November.  I try to fumigate the house by putting the TV on MSNBC for several hours at a time when I’m there, but it hasn’t quite taken.

Still, though ... hearing “President Obama” is music to my ears, and my parents’ misery is a sign that this country is finally moving in the right direction.

Anyway, sorry ... working from home -> multiple posts.

Comment #7: Joshua  on  01/29  at  08:42 PM

I am sooooo tired of these people.  “Abortion, Inc.?”  WTF?  Why do they rant and rave about the abortion “industry?”  Are people getting rich doing abortions?  Are clinics rolling in cash?  Are pregnant women being chased down in the streets and frog-marched to the nearest clinic for forced abortions?

How stupid does a person have to be to believe this shit?  Really - how stupid?  The crap I hear this week from the forced birth women haters surrounding the National Right to Life activities has about driven me over the edge.  I’m beginning to wonder if it is a genetic defect arising from fundamentalists intermarrying within their own little safe circles.

HOW, in the 21st Century, are so many people so fucking ignorant?  And HOW, in the 21st Century, do they still have any influence and power?  HOW????

Comment #8: kac90b  on  01/29  at  08:44 PM

Is it just me, or are rancid sexists starting to stink even more lately?

Imagine the type of mouth-breather who’d look at this cartoon and nod sagely, mumbling “Ain’t that the gospel truth.” Now consider that those morons make up at least 20% of the national electorate. As the reality of President Obama sinks in, more of them will stink up the joint.

I find it amazing that this guy’s editorial cartoons are syndicated.

Comment #9: Gracchus.  on  01/29  at  08:46 PM

I mean, seriously, Armey would be kicked off some of your better grumpy old man porches for being such a dimwit.  But in this country, he gets elected to office.

Comment #10: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/29  at  08:50 PM

I’m a canuck, so might be off on the U.S. costs, but here’s my understanding:

Abortion<$500
Childbirth>$10,000

“Abortion industry” - ur doin’ it wrong.

Comment #11: Floyd  on  01/29  at  08:54 PM

I also particularly love how very, very, VERY pregnant she is.  Like, they might as well just induce labor, because she’s going to pop any day as it is.  But I guess that, even with “Abortion Inc” over the door, it’s the only way for the target audience to figure out that she’s pregnant.

There have been two incidents at work this week of people making really inappropriate racist/sexist remarks (in my hearing - probably there are a lot more I’m not aware of.)  I was just wondering if it was some weird statistical blip or if it was a sign that stuff is simmering up out of control.

Comment #12: burgundy  on  01/29  at  08:59 PM

McCoy is barely, barely distinguishable from the parody cartoons in the Onion.
This one, for example: http://www.theonion.com/content/cartoon/jun-01-2007

Comment #13: seeker6079  on  01/29  at  09:06 PM

The existence of the “abortion industry” myth was the result of the feverently held anti-choice belief that no woman, left to her own devices, would choose anything but to have one baby after another.  Because god made women to be simple creatures who aren’t very smart, of course, but just smart enough to be able to push when told and breastfeed.  And that women were never unhappy in constraining gender roles, because being simple, we couldn’t even imagine a life that has room for things in it other than breeding and man-pleasing. 

Then the Evil Feminists came along and convinced women to do unnatural things like work for a living and have sex for reasons other than procreation.  But most of all, Evil Feminists wanted women to have lots and lots of abortions, so they tricked women into thinking that’s what they want, too.  Every woman getting an abortion is, in their mind, a dupe who really doesn’t want to be there, but Evil Feminists made her do it. 

The question they have to answer themselves then is, “Why?”  As you have astutely noticed, it doesn’t really do anything for feminists when abortions are performed.  There’s no tangible benefit to me if some woman down the street chooses not to have a baby right now.  In fact, it appears that feminists defend abortion rights out of concern for women.  But that can’t be true!  They’re evil! 

So they had to invent the “abortion industry” to create a motivation for defending abortion rights and providing abortions.  Because in their simple black and white world, it’s impossible for anyone to be involved in abortion out of generous feelings towards women.  So, feminists and doctors are only doing it for the money.  Yeah, that’s the ticket!

Incidentally, this is also how they explain the dastardly motivations behind advocating for contraception.  We only want women to use contraception in order to lure them into having sex, which women have no natural urge to do.  And then they get pregnant, because contraception doesn’t work (no really, I’ve heard this, usually right next to claims about the efficacy of the rhythm method).  And then they have to get abortions, and we make more money! 

It’s crazy, of course, but so is the idea that fertilized eggs have souls.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/29  at  09:08 PM

I also particularly love how very, very, VERY pregnant she is.  Like, they might as well just induce labor, because she’s going to pop any day as it is.  But I guess that, even with “Abortion Inc” over the door, it’s the only way for the target audience to figure out that she’s pregnant.

Or it could mean the only way to pretend the cartoonist was sane is to realize that this is one of those health (or if you are McCain “health”) of the mother abortions. The baby was wanted, but died in utero and so they have to scrape her out to remove the dead tissue to protect her and her future fertility. She’s miserable at facing the reality of her situation and worried about pain from he operation. She wishes that life had given her the option of a surviving baby, even if it meant being tortured instead.

But nah, the cartoonist isn’t sane. And he’s a fucking racist, too.
Look at how Obama is portrayed. Low of brow and thick of lip, it’s a racist caricature that looks nothing like our biracial president, except for the ears. Those features are meant to suggest dull wits and intense sexuality. And his hand on her back? That’s familiar. The subtext here is Obama;s gonna seduce the white women and trick them into aborting the evidence.

This cartoon sucks on multiple levels.

Comment #15: Samantha Vimes  on  01/29  at  09:11 PM

No it’s not just you.  Conservatives are falling back on their old stand-by, misogyny, to distract from the serious issues we’ve got going on right now and the utter horrendousness of their ideas and policies. 

I have to stop looking at that cartoon because it is seriously increasing my desire to hunt down its creator and commit a violent act on him.

Comment #16: DonnaDiva  on  01/29  at  09:13 PM

Please, please someone work over this cartoon so it shows fundy forced-birth advocates shoving the poor lady into a “crisis pregnancy center” instead.

Actually, writing that, I had a blinding flash of the obvious. OF COURSE these scumbags believe that abortion providers must be pressuring these women into their choices. OF COURSE they believe abortion providers rely on misdirection, misinformation and lies. Isn’t that how all their “pregnancy assistance” centers work? They have to lie and pretend they providing a full range of options and information. Lying, pressuring and misdirection are the only ways they can get people in the door. They’re assuming pro-choicers are just like them—projecting like mad. (Isn’t it sad how many issues they do that on?)

Comment #17: kristin  on  01/29  at  09:14 PM

Being openly racist is ever-so-slightly less PC these days.  The gays are actually fighting back against homophobia.  The bigots need some way to fan the flames without fear of retaliation, don’t they?

That said, with the repeal of the Global Gag Rule and signing of the Lily Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the misogynists can make as much noise as they want.  They’re officially losing now.

Comment #18: The Opoponax  on  01/29  at  09:14 PM

Okay, I had to look again.  What is supposed to be on the smock of the doctor?  Blood?  And is the woman in the cat eye glasses ringing up a cash register? 

Fucking fucker.

Comment #19: DonnaDiva  on  01/29  at  09:15 PM

Because god made women to be simple creatures who aren’t very smart, of course, but just smart enough to be able to push when told and <strike>breastfeed</strike> buy the same brand of formula they were plied with at the hospital.

Fixed.

Comment #20: The Opoponax  on  01/29  at  09:21 PM

You know, my kids are wont to pitch fits, throw tantrums, make illogical arguments, etc. whenever they have to be reminded who is in charge of the household and who runs the family.  The more we make it clear that it isn’t negotiable, the more irrationality and rationalizations petulantly pour forth.

So why would we expect any different from a bunch of wankers?

I’m just wondering how such a complete idiot of a cartoonist is syndicated.  Srsly.

Comment #21: Ms Kate  on  01/29  at  09:25 PM

Yeah, Amanda, I know.  I think it’s just the wholly irrational crazy about their “arguments” that is driving me around the fucking bend.  smile

Even with Obama being our president, even with the majority of the country voting those boobs in the upper photo out of office the past 2 years, EVEN WITH ALL OF THAT, (or maybe because of all of that) all I can see is that the rhetoric, lies, disinformation and evilness are being ramped up for a new and recharged crusade.  Truth, facts, evidence, impartial studies, science —nothing gets to these people.  Granted, the stupid will always be with us, but holy crap.  How do we strip them of their influence on such a large and dangerous scale.  Voting against them and their ideas isn’t going to be enough, I’m afraid.

Rant over.

Comment #22: kac90b  on  01/29  at  09:25 PM

God DAMN Dick Armey is a stupid fucking man. He’s the spitting image of every dumb old white man I’ve ever met who thinks he’s smart despite all evidence to the contrary because everyone’s afraid to tell stupid old white men the truth.

Dick… Army ... Army of Dicks ... tee hee ... heh heh heh heh ... dick army ....you and what dick army ... heh heh ...

I guess his parents were stupid to give him a name like that, too

Lets all get uppity now ... 1, 2, 3 ...

Comment #23: Ms Kate  on  01/29  at  09:30 PM

Because god made women to be simple creatures who aren’t very smart, of course, but just smart enough to be able to push when told and breastfeed buy the same brand of formula they were plied with at the hospital.

Hmmmm.  I had to BEG the nurses at the hospital when I had my daughter 23 years ago to get me some formula because I refused to breastfeed.  Didn’t want to, wasn’t going to.  I got called selfish, unnatural, unwomanly, a bad mother and a monster.  Was told my daughter would end up puny and a mental midget.  She’s 5’10”, 130 pounds and on the dean’s list, so at least that part was wrong.

Comment #24: kac90b  on  01/29  at  09:32 PM

My main point was that misogynists tend to think that women are actually too stupid to breastfeed, even.  Not to open up the FORMULA IS TEH EVUL debates. 

I was making an allusion to the fact that a lot of women are apparently told that they’re too this or too that, and thus they probably shouldn’t even try to bother to breastfeed.  Breastfeeding is cast, in a certain sense, like this incredible skill that you either have the inborn ability to do, or not.  The ability to nourish another human being with your body is really not within the realm of things that most true misogynists are willing to credit women with.

Comment #25: The Opoponax  on  01/29  at  09:52 PM

Samantha Vimes:

Or it could mean the only way to pretend the cartoonist was sane is to realize that this is one of those health (or if you are McCain “health”) of the mother abortions. The baby was wanted, but died in utero and so they have to scrape her out to remove the dead tissue to protect her and her future fertility. She’s miserable at facing the reality of her situation and worried about pain from he operation. She wishes that life had given her the option of a surviving baby, even if it meant being tortured instead.

The thought bubble is coming from the fetus.  They’ve made it into a conscious being.

The idea is that it’s supposed to be hypocritical that we don’t want to waterboard those vicious A-rabs, but we do want to kill babies.

Comment #26: oldfeminist  on  01/29  at  10:03 PM

My main point was that misogynists tend to think that women are actually too stupid to breastfeed, even.  Not to open up the FORMULA IS TEH EVUL debates.

The Opo:  smile

Comment #27: kac90b  on  01/29  at  10:05 PM

I also thought that was an Onion cartoon at first glance. Same “artistic” style, same pig-headedness. Only things lacking were the sanctimonious cartoonist caricature and a weeping Statue of Liberty…  smile

Comment #28: Scott  on  01/29  at  10:24 PM

Ha, seeker, I thought the same thing re: that parody artist.

Comment #29: annejumps  on  01/29  at  10:29 PM

Because god made women to be simple creatures who aren’t very smart, of course, but just smart enough to be able to push when told and <strike>breastfeed</strike> buy the same brand of formula they were plied with at the hospital.

Fixed.

That almost made me start crying, because I wanted to breastfeed my son, and they cheated me out of even that by shoving a bottle into his mouth almost the second he popped out, and against my vehemently stated wishes.  They said he would “go hungry.”  For those of you unfamiliar with pregnancy and childbirth, newborns have enough nutrients from the placenta to last until the milk comes in; what the fuck do they think people did before wet nurses and other milk sources were common?  Jesus fuck christ!

And now his father has custody because he managed to hijack him, just like the hospital did (long story), and I didn’t even get to breastfeed him.  God damn that pisses me the fuck off, and it hurts, and it pisses me off.

Comment #30: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/29  at  10:30 PM

I have to work with some people who actually talk about this stuff all day long like it’s REALLY going on. We make heavy lifting equipment, so don’t walk under any loaded cranes if you can avoid it. Should have heard them in November.

Comment #31: Scott1960  on  01/29  at  10:45 PM

Because god made women to be simple creatures who aren’t very smart, of course, but just smart enough to be able to push when told and <strike>breastfeed</strike> buy the same brand of formula they were plied with at the hospital.

Fixed.

I bet they’d do anything to discourage breastfeeding too because it acts as a contraceptive and a pretty reliable method too. We all know how social consies want women to nothing but barefoot, pregnant, and submissive.

Comment #32: Rob F  on  01/29  at  10:49 PM

I read somewhere today that Obama danced with Lily Ledbetter at one of the inaugural balls and boy howdy did that make my stone cold hardened cynical heart skip a beat.

Love those two pictures side-by-side.

Comment #33: LauraB  on  01/29  at  10:57 PM

That Obama guy just wants to cut men’s penises off by leaving women seductive and freeflowing in the stream of life.  For shame.  Where is the pope when you need him?  Indeed, where is his nose?

Comment #34: scratchy888  on  01/29  at  10:58 PM

And his hand on her back? That’s familiar. The subtext here is Obama;s gonna seduce the white women and trick them into aborting the evidence.

Good to know I’m not the only one who noticed the dogwhistle.

Comment #35: Ben D.  on  01/29  at  10:58 PM

And yes, the thought bubble is coming from the womb.

This cartoon reminds me of that clip I saw on the Daily Show where Sam Brownback said about stem cells, “These are frozen children, and they’re saying, ‘please don’t kill me’” or something like that.

Comment #36: Ben D.  on  01/29  at  11:04 PM

This cartoon reminds me of that clip I saw on the Daily Show where Sam Brownback said about stem cells, “These are frozen children, and they’re saying, ‘please don’t kill me’” or something like that.

Interestingly, it’s very cold here and I’m a semi-frozen grownup saying to Sam Brownback “please, shut the fuck up before I lose my shit on you.”  What a funny coincidence.

Comment #37: LauraB  on  01/29  at  11:24 PM

((((((INTPagan)))))))

And I don’t hand out internet hugs lightly.

Comment #38: The Opoponax  on  01/29  at  11:24 PM

It gets better. Whenever Brownback talks about abortion, he seems to rub his stomach, like he wants a womb or something.

Comment #39: Ben D.  on  01/29  at  11:27 PM

God DAMN Dick Armey is a stupid fucking man. He’s the spitting image of every dumb old white man I’ve ever met who thinks he’s smart despite all evidence to the contrary because everyone’s afraid to tell stupid old white men the truth.  You know, I bet he trolls liberal blogs, because he comes across as one our resident fatheads.

Hey!  I resent tha- I mean, I’m not old!

Comment #40: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/29  at  11:31 PM

Thanks, Opopo.

I find great irony in the fact that the father is an initiated priest in our tradition of Wicca, and yet demonstrates a complete disregard for any concept of Goddess.  We’re not immune to patriarchy, either.  I’m thinking about Dianic Wicca because I’m completely disillusioned with how so many men seem to only pay lip service to the concept of a divine feminine while still being fine with the patriarchal system we have.

I am not turning this into a religion thread, please.

Comment #41: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/29  at  11:43 PM

Mallard Fucking Fillmore is syndicated, and Bruce Tinsley is probably less talented than this hack.

Comment #42: befuggled  on  01/30  at  12:20 AM

Isn’t it unappealing when men trumpet their unconscious machinations as ruled by their biology?  When they announce that they’re afraid of losing out on the opportunity to impregnate (this nervous and hysterical fear of theirs), when they announce that their intellects are in danger of flailing unless women are kept out of the stream of industry (this fear evidenced by their cutting off women in mid-speech and undermining their communication), and so on.  The ugly bald and balding pink-ape makes its manifestation in so many ways—and it is ugly!

Comment #43: scratchy888  on  01/30  at  12:22 AM

I bet they’d do anything to discourage breastfeeding too because it acts as a contraceptive and a pretty reliable method too. We all know how social consies want women to nothing but barefoot, pregnant, and submissive.

More to the point, it’s hard to make money off of breastfeeding….

Comment #44: annejumps  on  01/30  at  12:28 AM

Amanda:

So they had to invent the “abortion industry” to create a motivation for defending abortion rights and providing abortions. Because in their simple black and white world, it’s impossible for anyone to be involved in abortion out of generous feelings towards women. So, feminists and doctors are only doing it for the money.

Wingnuts are literally incapable of understanding what it’s like to do something, anything at all, without some kind of reward structure in place that benefits them personally. The more hard cash money it involves, the better.

I don’t trust anyone who has to invent an extra-special cosmic post-death Reward just for making it from birth to death without fucking up too badly, but still needs doubleplus-special dispensations for the ones who can’t even be bothered to do that right. Like, for example, the load of theological crap that is “salvation through faith alone.” That’s a free ticket to Fuck-Up Town, if you ask me, and boy do they ever take advantage of it.

Comment #45: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/30  at  01:03 AM

Amanda: The myth of the “abortion industry” is also an example of the projection that wingnuts do so well. Adoption is a multi-million-dollar business, and since Roe and the demise of “homes for wayward girls,” there’s been a dearth of cute widdle white baybeez for infertile couples to adopt.

(Note: That’s not to say adoption is evil per se. I know of some batshit people on the internet who call themselves “anti-adoption activists,” and they actually believe that a child is better off with the most abusive bio-parent than with the most nurturing adoptive one. That’s insane. Obviously adoption is the right solution in some cases. But whether a woman wants to give birth and then give the baby up for adoption is, obviously, up to her.)

Comment #46: Nobody in Particular  on  01/30  at  01:06 AM

(Sighs.)

For the millionth frackin’ time:
The more money that one spends on sex ed and birth control, the fewer abortions there are.  If you are genuinely about reducing abortions then you must be in favour of education and BC availability. 

Yeah, I know.  Most of these folks are only interested in reducing abortions if it comes as a package deal with female subjugation and the complete integration of (their) church with (everyone’s) state, but I can dream, can’t I?

Comment #47: seeker6079  on  01/30  at  01:08 AM

Is the guy ushering her in supposed to be Obama?  Why does he look like the artist couldn’t decide whether he was drawing George Dubya or Richard Nixon?  And possibly Mr. Peanut?

Comment #48: Kyra  on  01/30  at  02:41 AM

INTPagan, I’m so sorry. That’s unspeakably fucking evil.

Comment #49: kaninchen  on  01/30  at  02:50 AM

There’s some additional info y’all need: I’m having a hard time reading the cartoonist’s newspaper affiliation under his signature - it looks like the Belleville News Democrat. If so, this cartoon is working on an additional level: Hope Clinic is a real clinic in Granite City, IL just south of Belleville, IL across the river from St. Louis, MO. They’re the only clinic in something like a five-state radius (without going up to Chicago) that performs late-term abortions. It’s where I volunteered as an escort when I lived in StL.

Comment #50: protected static  on  01/30  at  03:08 AM

I was right: McCoy works for the News Democrat.

Comment #51: protected static  on  01/30  at  03:10 AM

Um, I’ve got three generations of “fuck off, we’re nursing!“stories, including my 2 years apiece of the ped explaining AGAIN why we had to wean RIGHT NOW!!! The last instance was two years ago, and my sister’s howing the same row at work and with the in-laws. Breast-feeding is NOT standard in the US,and it hasn’t been in about a century, especially down south(but seriously, we’re in VA, in the Tidewater, not even the crazier bits, you’d think it wouldn’t be this bad!) 

INTPagan, i’m awfully sorry. it’s these kind of stories that have cemented me as a solitary.

Comment #52: redwards  on  01/30  at  03:27 AM

INTPagan; that is BEYOND fucked up.

not to thread jack, but are you in central Ohio? i am, and i know lots of pagans of various flavors (including me and my family).

if not, if you give me a general location, i can start the drumming, see if i can find someone who is near(ish) you… my email is denelian at yahoo

i send loves.

Comment #53: denelian  on  01/30  at  04:31 AM

I didn’t notice until JoAnne pointed it out, but OF COURSE the thought bubble’s coming from the foetus. The woman couldn’t possibly be thinking anything at all! We just go where we’re pushed.

Comment #54: MissPrism  on  01/30  at  09:08 AM

Every woman getting an abortion is, in their mind, a dupe who really doesn’t want to be there, but Evil Feminists made her do it.

The question they have to answer themselves then is, “Why?”

So we can roast the little fetal corpses over the sacrificial fires of our Lord and Master, Baal.  Duh.

Comment #55: Godless Heathen  on  01/30  at  09:32 AM

Bugger it, the “duh” should have been linked to this post.

Comment #56: Godless Heathen  on  01/30  at  09:33 AM

Why is it so hard for some people to understand the meaning of the word ‘choice’.  Someone should send dictionaries to all these people.  I think that forcing abortion as just as bad as preventing it.  I think that 99.999% of all pro-choice people agree with me.  The anti-choice people seem to have invented a false dichotomy and think that people either want no abortion, or they want every pregnant woman to have one.

Comment #57: bananacat  on  01/30  at  10:14 AM

Waterboarding is considered one of the most vicious, effective forms of torture. Most trained agents can’t last more than half a minute under its tender mercies. The premise of effective torture is that the person being tortured would prefer death over the torture. So, with the fetus declaring that it would rather be waterboarded than terminated, not only is this cartoon working on all of the misogynist bullshit well-documented above, but it’s also intended to dismiss the severity of waterboarding. Having simulated drowning (drowning being considered one of the worst ways to go) that cannot even be ended by death, but is instead intended to keep you alive and suffering can’t be as bad as a brief medical procedure performed on a developing fetus that, 98% of the time, does not have lungs, does not have a brain (much less a functioning nervous system to register pain) and has only the rudimentary beginnings of a circulatory system.

The point it’s trying to make is that liberals are a bunch of hypocrites because we care about the illegal, evil infliction of suffering on fully-formed adults (many of whom have done no wrong) over the “suffering” of the fetus which oftentimes has yet to develop the physical capacity to suffer.

Well, it sure as hell doesn’t have the capacity to have a conscious thought, much less psychic ability. Seriously, what the hell is up with all of these depictions of fetii having super-sensory powers, and knowing what the mother is thinking, or what the building she’s walking into is for? Do they honestly believe that a woman’s belly-button is the peep-hole from her womb or something?!

Comment #58: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/30  at  10:30 AM

“So they had to invent the “abortion industry” to create a motivation for defending abortion rights and providing abortions.  Because in their simple black and white world, it’s impossible for anyone to be involved in abortion out of generous feelings towards women.  So, feminists and doctors are only doing it for the money.  Yeah, that’s the ticket!”

The awesome thing about this idea is how much it sounds like half-assed Marxism, which normally wingnuts would go screaming in the opposite direction from. (I saw a letter in the Kalamazoo Gazette recently from someone who was referring unironically to the spread of World Communism) Remember how they thought “socialism!” shouting was a campaign masterstroke? No doubt, they’d be perfectly happy to apply similar analysis to their local megachurch?

So, anti-woman frothing trumps anti-communist frothing. What Would Joe MacCarthy Do?

Comment #59: witless chum  on  01/30  at  11:29 AM

Please, please someone work over this cartoon so it shows fundy forced-birth advocates shoving the poor lady into a “crisis pregnancy center” instead.

That’s what I thought is was at first.  “Hope Clinic” sounds like a crisis pregnancy center name.  It took me a minute to realize what the fuss was about.

Comment #60: Susa  on  01/30  at  11:49 AM

God, I was so focused on the woman’s expression of terror that I didn’t even think that it was the fetus thinking.  That, and also I know that fetuses can’t talk, nor do they know what waterboarding is.

Comment #61: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/30  at  11:58 AM

Mighty, maybe if we reminded them that sperm went towards the creation of waterboarding victims, they’d rethink it.  After all, what makes you a person is that daddy came—-nothing else matters.

Comment #62: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/30  at  12:05 PM

Nah, these choads probably think sperm classify biologically as a type of fish, since they “swim” and so waterboarding holds no fear for them.

Comment #63: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/30  at  12:09 PM

Does anyone else think that the cartoonist mostly took a bunch of unrelated stuff floating around in his brain—abortion, guantanamo, evil obama and white women—and drew it all on a page, then tried to figure out some way they might fit together?

Comment #64: paul  on  01/30  at  12:27 PM

@paul: If you’d ever met any of the anti-abortion whackos from the metro-St. Louis area, you’d know that the answer is “no.” They really think that way.

Comment #65: protected static  on  01/30  at  12:31 PM

Paul, I think the tendency just to assume that everything you fear is all part of a larger conspiracy to emasculate you personally is SOP for wingnuts.

Comment #66: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/30  at  12:37 PM

...but how do you waterboard something that’s essentially breathing water already?

(well, amniotic fluid, but whatever)

I’m overthinking again, aren’t I?

Comment #67: magistera  on  01/30  at  12:59 PM

For those of you bemused by the fetus thinking business, have you never read Umbert the Unborn?

Behold! My very favoritest online cartoon.

Comment #68: Mandos  on  01/30  at  01:00 PM

I like how he calls it “his” womb.  That cartoonist has created a fantasy world where women don’t exist at all.

Comment #69: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/30  at  01:12 PM

Well, they do—-as fetuses.  They have another character called “Vita the Viable”, with an adorable little pink bow on her bald fetus head.  Oh, and she has a cell phone and talks to Umbert over it.

Comment #70: Mandos  on  01/30  at  01:18 PM

<a > Here’s a picture of President Obama dancing with Lilly Ledbetter at one of the balls.</a> OMG, he’s coming for the White Women! Because, you know, nobody cares about WOC.

Comment #71: ginmar  on  01/30  at  01:21 PM

Well, shit, that didn’t work, dammit.

http://ginmar.livejournal.com/1665756.html

Comment #72: ginmar  on  01/30  at  01:22 PM

>Amanda: The myth of the “abortion industry” is also an example of the projection that wingnuts do so well. Adoption is a multi-million-dollar business, and since Roe and the demise of “homes for wayward girls,” there’s been a dearth of cute widdle white baybeez for infertile couples to adopt.

(Note: That’s not to say adoption is evil per se. I know of some batshit people on the internet who call themselves “anti-adoption activists,” and they actually believe that a child is better off with the most abusive bio-parent than with the most nurturing adoptive one. That’s insane. Obviously adoption is the right solution in some cases. But whether a woman wants to give birth and then give the baby up for adoption is, obviously, up to her.) <

Off on a tangent here, but as an adoptive father I am constantly confounded by the meme that the right wing cherishes that adoption is somehow “easy.”  It’s often trumpeted out as a solution to abortion but it’s devilishly difficult.  One has to pass through so many bureaucratic and financial hoops (home studies, doctor’s visits, local, state, and Federal government forms, up-front expenses, and so forth) that I would characterize the system as actively discouraging adoption.

The counter-argument is, of course, that it used to be “easier in the old days.”  That, of course, was when young women were coerced into producing the little white babies you mention above and the authorities indulged themselves with quasi-Eugenic placement policies.

My wife’s constant challenge to her Fundy-inclined relations is “OK, you don’t like abortion, have you adopted any unwanted children?  You don’t like gays adopting?  Again, have YOU provided a home for these children?”

I do detect the taint of racial eugenics in this whole mess (and the cartoon), the good old Nazi-inspired Lebensborn-style mania with producing the “right” kind of children and having them raised in proper (i.e. white and Christian) homes to be good little racially superior drones.

Yes, I do realize I totally Godwined the thread.  Sorry about that.

Comment #73: tannenburg  on  01/30  at  01:23 PM

tannenburg:

I do detect the taint of racial eugenics in this whole mess (and the cartoon), the good old Nazi-inspired Lebensborn-style mania with producing the “right” kind of children and having them raised in proper (i.e. white and Christian) homes to be good little racially superior drones.

Frankly, there’s a lot of stuff that the American Right does that wouldn’t be at all out of place in the Third Reich. There are even some things that I secretly suspect are knowingly cribbed directly from the pages of Mein Kampf and Der Stürmer (and from Pravda, as well, but that’s a slightly different discussion).

Yes, I do realize I totally Godwined the thread. Sorry about that.

“Godwin’s Law” is stupid. It’s just another tool that intellectually lazy people use to avoid anything that even remotely resembles a real discussion. There are far too many people who think that the so-called “reductio ad Hitlerum” is actually some kind of recognized logical fallacy in and of itself.

Comment #74: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  01/30  at  01:55 PM

Dan:

I agree with your statements above, but I’m constantly astonished at how Hitler/Nazism is the distillation of all evil and thus the ultimate argument is to state “Yeah, the NAZIS believed that too!”  I’d cite the parallelism between many of the “pro-life” arguments about abortion - i.e. “the Nazis aborted babies” - without understanding the totality of Nazi thought.  In an eerie reflection of the Quiverfull movement, a lot of pro-lifers aren’t concerned about “babies” being aborted per se but rather the “RIGHT” kind of babies - i.e. white.  This goes back to the Lebensborn program, where good Aryan mothers were encouraged to have good Aryan children - even out of wedlock (and I’ll just take an unfair sideswipe at the cooing over Bristol Palin’s decision to keep her child) and were provided comfortable rest homes within which do do so.

It just seems to me that Nazism is the universal label for “bad icky evil nasty” in a lot of conversations.  Take that “Liberal Facism” book for instance; because the Nazis had corporatist beliefs, or favored social programs such as Strength Through Joy, Liberals = Nazis.  I’m guilty of that laziness myself.

Thinking about the extreme Christian right, however, I’ve come up with another historical parallel - the Roundheads under Cromwell for intolerant theocracy.

Well.  That’s enough for now - putting the History PhD to use for once.

Comment #75: tannenburg  on  01/30  at  02:04 PM

Oh, yes, and my favorite thing about Umbert is that “his” womb is completely circular.  It has no exit.  It has no fallopian tubes for the egg.  It doesn’t have a cervix for birth.  And how did the sperm get in there?

(Not too long ago, though, the cartoonist drew a sequence about a talking blastocyst IIRC.  No mention of how the blastocyst became, well, a blastocyst.)

Comment #76: Mandos  on  01/30  at  02:11 PM

Do they honestly believe that a woman’s belly-button is the peep-hole from her womb or something?!

My daughter is convinced that if she stares hard enough at my navel, she’ll be able to see her baby brother.

This is further proof that wingnuts are indistinguishable from 3-year-olds.

Comment #77: Leely  on  01/30  at  02:35 PM

I also particularly love how very, very, VERY pregnant she is.  Like, they might as well just induce labor, because she’s going to pop any day as it is.  But I guess that, even with “Abortion Inc” over the door, it’s the only way for the target audience to figure out that she’s pregnant.

Not only that, but if she didn’t have that hugely distended belly, that thought balloon would make her look like she was thinking with her midsection.

Let’s face it, this cartoonist’s art skills are on a par with his political sophistication. (What is that thing on the counter supposed to be? A cash register?)

Comment #78: Bitter Scribe  on  01/30  at  04:15 PM

I love how, besides the pregnancy being represented as full term, the fetus is depicted as sentient, with it’s own though bubble.  Also, the thought it is supposedly having, about waterboarding, is a dig at the anti-torture contingent.  It’s saying, why is it ok to kill but not ok to torture?  I guess the death of non-sentient cell clusters is worse than torturing thinking, feeling people.

Comment #79: futureshock  on  01/30  at  04:40 PM

People, I don’t think you’re getting just how amazing this fetus is.  It’s not only sentient, it’s thinking in words - one of them three-syllable.  Little sucker has the language skills of a five-year-old.  What’s more, it’s aware of A) what’s going on outside the womb (i.e. - that its mother is entering an abortion clinic - and it knows what an abortion clinic is), B) complex political issues, at least enough so to connect the Gitmo headline on the newspaper (which it is also aware of!) to waterboarding, and decide that it would prefer the latter.

I don’t think the cartoonist needs to worry.  This abortion isn’t going to happen - this fetus is going to take over someone’s mind, telekinetically throw scalpels at the doctor or something like that.

Comment #80: Seraph  on  01/30  at  05:08 PM

Fetusman!

Comment #81: atheist  on  01/30  at  05:12 PM

On a more serious note, take a look at the girl.  Yes, I said girl.  Ponytail, t-shirt, sneakers, freckles…and look!  Are those hoop earrings? 

Do I spy the Irresponsible Teenage Slut?  I think I do!

If this were another cartoon, it would be castigating her - aborting that god-fetus at 39.5 weeks so she could fit into her prom dress better, or some other form of Avoiding the Consequences of Her Actions - but since this is a dig against Obama, she just looks miserable.  And why not?  She’s too young and stupid (and female) to understand it on anything but an instinctive level, but the all-powerful abortion industry and their new patron/enforcer are pressuring/forcing her into a mistake she will regret For The Rest of Her Life. 

The only way to save the poor dumb critter - and, of course, the infinitely more important baybee - is to close down this butcher shop and take the option away from her - rather like taking scissors away from a three-year-old who insists on running with them.  Once she’s given birth (to the friggin’ Second Coming, by all appearances), she’ll recognize her the role that God and nature chose for her, and be content.  Young?  Poor?  Thrown out by her parents?  Pish-tosh!  God will provide!

Comment #82: Seraph  on  01/30  at  05:51 PM

I wonder if our…uh…artist?...can even imagine that someone other than the Irresponsible Teenage Slut might need an abortion.

Comment #83: Seraph  on  01/30  at  05:52 PM

@Seraph - That’s just what I was thinking.

Comment #84: vervain  on  01/30  at  06:28 PM

This is OT to a degree, but: Never in my life (and I am past child-bearing now) have I ever EVER met a man eager or EVEN WILLING to support my ass while I popped out baby after baby. I never met one who was into supporting my ass to pop out ONE baby!

The enormous DEARTH of young men eager to go the quiver-full route, or even the PARENTHOOD route, makes this theory of what misogynists WANT seem unrealistic.

What they REALLY want is single mothers raising children they can’t afford, so desperate to feed her children that she will work her ass off for very low wages, and be so desperate for a husband that she is sexually available to unworthy men.

What they want is nothing less than a female SLAVE CLASS. THat raises the next generation with little to no financial support from men.

Comment #85: KMTBERRY  on  01/30  at  06:46 PM

KMTBERRY - FTW.

Denelian - I really appreciate it.  Unfortunately, I am in Dallas Fort-Worth, TX, and I’m torn, because I was part of such an awesome grouping in North Carolina that it’s going to be very hard for me to find something this awesome here.  I have a hard time working as a solitary because of my very limited focus; I’m probably going to seek medication for ADD sometime before I start college.

Kaninchen - Thanks, too.  The sad thing is that it wasn’t evil.  He’s not a complete asshole; he’s just privileged.  And he always viewed that as his right - there was never a question, you know?  He didn’t intentionally wake up and say, “I’m going to take away her son.”  He just kind of thought he had the right to.  It’s a long story.

Comment #86: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/30  at  06:49 PM

What they REALLY want is single mothers raising children they can’t afford, so desperate to feed her children that she will work her ass off for very low wages, and be so desperate for a husband that she is sexually available to unworthy men.

Now, be fair—they also want a flood of white babies for the “right” couples to adopt. And a flood of dark babies for the Army.

Comment #87: Well, what?  on  01/30  at  07:04 PM

“Umbert the Unborn” rises to the usual standards of right-wing creativity and humor, I see.

And

@Seraph - That’s just what I was thinking.
vervain on 01/30 at 01:28 PM

Now, vervain, it’s over a month too late for that movie to be seasonal.

It’s a Yuletide flick.

You know, “...tiny tots with their eyes all aglow…”

(Joke stolen from someone at Slacktivist. Apologies to all who saw it there first, and I hope it redeems “The Christmas Song” for those who hadn’t yet).

Comment #88: Mark Foxwell  on  01/30  at  09:50 PM
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