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The Tea Crackers didn’t fail

Mama GrizzlyAs promised, I was a “mama grizzly” for Halloween.  Thought it would be a funny illustration for this post, which is otherwise very serious.

I really enjoyed reading the reports coming back from the Rally to Restore Sanity.  While some people took Jon Stewart’s cry to mean, “Having political beliefs and ideas makes you a bad person, and reasonableness is the same as being apolitical”, I think the general idea was well-communicated, which is that policy should be based on reality, and political debate should be reasonable. I don’t think this means that one should lose their sense of humor or not call bullshit when you see it—-on the contrary, and clearly the organizers agree.  Stewart is sucked into that “both sides” mentality, and personally I think it’s because he over-relates to some issues wingnuts have, even as he intellectually disagrees with them.  (Which is why talking about abortion makes him uncomfortable, and he’s willing to entertain the ludicrous notion that someone like Mike Huckabee—-who backs an entire slate of policy ideas designed to make women second class citizens and push gays out completely—-has “moral” reasons for supporting a ban on abortion that just so happens to fit neatly with his overall sexist agenda.)  Stewart’s weirdnesses aside, I think the whole thing was an overall success, and regardless of the non-partisan nature of it, it sent the signal loud and clear that the Democrats stand for “sanity”.  It’s kind of sad that it’s gotten to that point—-I wish they stood for liberal values alongside reason—-but it definitely makes an argument for why people that aren’t fired up about the elections need to be.

I wish they’d done it a week earlier, though.  Partially for selfish reasons, but also because the message—-that reason is a value—-needed to percolate in the electorate more.  As it stands, nutty is winning out, at least wingnutty is. 

Despite scandals that have non-stop rocked the campaigns of Joe Miller, Rand Paul, and Sharron Angle, all are likely to win. Some are in neck-and-neck races, but I fear extensive voter suppression tactics from the right, the fact that this is a midterm and a lot of first time voters aren’t going to vote again, and the sense that the world is going to hell amongst liberal-leaning voters might be that which cinches it for them.  (But you can turn out to vote and encourage others to do the same, and try to reverse that!)  A lot of voters are low information and have actually tuned all this shit out, and so may have no idea what kind of nuts they’re voting for. 

All that said, Republicans are doubling down on getting out the base over trying to win over the middle, and I’m sure they have very good reasons for it.  In many ways, this election was a test—-how far could they go in terms of provoking reactionary anxieties in their base voters before their base voters said, “Uh, that’s too far for me.”  The answer is that they have yet to find any real limits.  Overtly racist pandering? The base eats it up.  Demanding that women be forced to bear rapists’ children?  They love it.  Standing for laws that could be used to ban birth control?  Ken Buck and Rand Paul are two that I know do, and that doesn’t seem like it matters to the base.  Which makes sense, since a Daily Kos-commissioned poll of Republicans showed that 31% of them would ban contraception, and 34% would ban the birth control pill specifically.  (I really, really want to see the age breakdown of these numbers.)  Even Christine O’Donnell is closing the gap.  The big lesson that Republicans are learning is there is no natural cap to the nutty.  I imagine it might just get worse from here on out, as it appears that the vortex that sucks reasonable white people in and shoots them out as Birther-believing, gun-wielding wingnuts appears to be growing rapidly.  If you’re still a reasonable white person from the middle class, I highly suggest that you tie yourself to something substantial in your house until after Election Day, so that you can’t be sucked in, a la Poltergeist.

What’s weird is that the narrative shaping up is that the teabaggers hurt the Republicans.  Salon has an article about Joe Miller up that asks if he went too far, and the answer is in the polling data—-he’s points up from Murkowski and will almost surely win this.  The only reason Sarah Palin is pretending to be frantically campaigning to “save” him is so that she can take all the credit when he wins.  This writer seems to think Sharron Angle was saved by the media focus on Christine O’Donnell, but I disagree. I think a lot of the voters dig that gun nut, woman-hating, racist vibe she gives off.


The most depressing example of this is Rand Paul.  You can’t say that the curb stomp of Lauren Valle wasn’t well-covered.  When I was pointing out late last week that the polls showed Paul up and this means that a lot of voters are like, “Stomp non-compliant women into the ground? I want a piece of that!”, I was duly informed that this was merely the “Aqua Buddha” bounce, and had nothing to do with the curb stomp.  Well, here’s a new poll that shows that Paul got another bounce.  So, I was wrong and then I was right.  Unfortunately, I was more right than I initially thought with the bad information—-the curb stomp didn’t just put Paul at 50%.  Now he’s a 55%.  I wish I could say I’m surprised, but there’s an ugly, misogynist bent to the Paul campaign (which combing through the archives here will demonstrate), and the curb stomp fit right into it.  I would call anti-feminist sentiment “frenzied” right now.  Even more so is racist sentiment, and Paul is going to sweep up with that, since he opposes the Civil Rights Act.

The reason for all this is reason went out the door a long time ago.  At RH Reality Check and at the Guardian, I basically argue that this is by design.  It’s nothing new to talk about how fear is being used to wash out all reasonable thought in the conservative-leaning voting public, and get them into a frenzy that will presumably result in more votes.  (Though I have to point out that they’re so frenzied that voting, a private and quiet and quick act, will hardly satisfy.)  My focus was on how the conservative movement stokes irrational fears of emasculation that lead the followers to believe that their phallic totems (guns) are going to be forcibly ripped from their hands, and to also angrily attack abortion rights, seen as a feminist conspiracy to throw of men’s right to dominate our bodies through pregnancy. (I make it clear that there are many ways to view pregnancy, but that the idea that it’s flag-planting of a man’s penis power in a woman’s body is the anti-choice view.)  The two issues are barely discussed in the mainstream media, but within large parts of the base, they talk of little else.

I didn’t talk about racism, because that really fell out of the scope of this project, but it’s a similar idea, and in many cases, it’s the same idea.  The same notion that feminists, gay people, and pointy-headed girly Democratic men are out to emasculate Real America with abortion rights and gun control is in play with anxieties about the end of white supremacy.  Even the same emasculation-type imagery is used.  Just as hostility towards gay men is escalated by implying there’s subversion, invasion, and impurity in the “homosexual agenda”, so are groups targeted by racist language described. Mexican immigrants are seen as invading.  The Cordoba House was routinely described as if it was some monument of conquest instead of a community center.  The image they’re trying to paint is one where conservative white men and “their” women shudder at the feet of powerful minorities, feminists, and intellectuals—-with additional fears of emasculation and accompanying fears of being unprotected.  With all this psycho-sexual nonsense going on, there’s not a whole lot of mental energy left to think about things like economic policy, foreign policy, or absorb actual facts about taxes and unemployment.  Which is where Republicans want people to be, because rational approaches to politics don’t get Republicans elected.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:13 AM • (108) Comments

Miller is down in Alaska, badly trailing Murkowski, and even MCadams.  Okay, I was writing that and instead decided to check the numbers and apparently a poll was released today which FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL OTHER POLLING, showing Miller in the lead.

So that’s fucked up. 

I have no idea what to make of that.

Comment #1: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  11:54 AM

Either way, regardless of what is going on in Alaska, we’re fucked, so enjoy your last day.

Stunning that after 8 years of disaster the American people are clamoring to get back to the guys who gave it to us and who now promise to give us the same stuff, only ramped up!

Honestly, my only silver lining is knowing that so many of the tards voting for this are going to suffer and suffer badly over the next few years.

Bring it on.

Comment #2: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  11:55 AM

I liked the rally until Kid Rock showed up.  I think if you are going to have a rally to restore sanity, he would be the last artist they should have show up…except maybe Nugent.

I also hated the clips where they went back and forth between conservatives and Keith as if somehow they were the same message.  There’s a difference, liberals call conservatives names because they deserve to be called those names, conservatives call liberals names because they are bullies.  I wish Stewart would understand this.

Comment #3: Albert Cirrus  on  11/01  at  12:04 PM

As promised, I was a “mama grizzly” for Halloween.

Hawt.

A lot of voters are low information and have actually tuned all this shit out, and so may have no idea what kind of nuts they’re voting for.

I think a lot of the low-info voter success in ‘06 and ‘08 revolved around Democrats being Not-Republicans, and a lot of the pain we’re seeing this year is coming from Republicans being Not-Democrats.  If we want any kind of serious continued success at the ballot box, we need to cement our gains among swing voters.  Democrats have to come across as the party of reason and responsibility even when the economy isn’t looking so hot or Congress is forced to make a hard choice (like TARP).

Bottom line, we need better politicians running on the Democratic slate.  That means getting together a better farm team.  We need strong, clean, and competent politicians at the state and city level.  Because the Ben Nelsons and Joe Liebermans and Evan Bayhs aren’t cutting it anymore.  That’s one area where Republicans seem to do better - the state and local level, where partisanship means less and community clout means a lot more.  Holding the National Capital will remain fleeting and transitory without controlling more state houses and gaining more local grassroots goodwill.

All politics is local and whatnot.

Comment #4: Zifnab25  on  11/01  at  12:06 PM

I was busy on Saturday so I didn’t get a chance to watch the rally, but I watched the end. I think in the end, it’s a call for the importance of “getting shit done”, over ideology. Now personally, I think that’s a lesson that the Democrats probably know a little TOO well already.

But American progressives like Stewart (he might be a moderate, but he’s a moderate progressive, if that makes any sense), I think fall into a common trap of patriotism. There are serious moral, ethical and cultural issues going on. Things such as greed, selfishness, short-sightedness and tribalism are way out of control. And I think a lot of progressives don’t want to see these things.

Now there are also structural issues. The filibuster combined with the weighted nature of the senate, variances in poll/voting access/quality, etc. But the structural issues are way outweighed by the cultural issues.

People are upset about the Citizens United decision. But the reality is that advertising only works if it preys upon something which that already exists inside the person. And it preys upon the greed and selfishness of the individual. Fixing this isn’t about winning an election. In fact, I don’t know how you fix this. All I know is that it’s a gun waiting to go off.

Comment #5: Karmakin  on  11/01  at  12:13 PM

I dread the extended family gathering at Thanksgiving.

Comment #6: John  on  11/01  at  12:16 PM

@ Albert, Jon hates KO, and I’m surprised more people haven’t picked up on that. 

I think comparing KO to Glenn Beck is seriously fucked up, and Stewart’s obsession with false equivalence is something I really don’t like about him, but I think his beef with KO is personal.  He just can’t stand the guy.

But I do agree with the OP - on balance, the rally was a good thing.

Comment #7: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  12:16 PM

Zifna, who is going to come across as being more reasonable than Obama?  Come on.  You know, maybe we just have to face up to the fact that Americans are dumb.  And too many of them thrive on hate.

Comment #8: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  12:18 PM

I think Jon Stewart tries so hard to position himself as a sane (but funny) voice that it bleeds over into what he purports his political philosophy to be, but who knows maybe he means what he says, to just chill and talk this thing out.  Either way, I wish he’d stop with the false equivalencies, but hey maybe he’s smarter than me and sees a bigger picture.

However, the bigger picture I see is what Amanda touches on a bit here, how the New Thuggery Party has so incensed its already resentful paranoid base that there is no built-in limit to how violent and crazy they can and will become.  The bigger picture I see has stretched to encompass all manner of political violence and even takeover.  The GOP takeover in 2000 was managed politically through the Supreme Court and likely in 2004 through subterfuge in Ohio and New Mexico.  The current GOP takeover of Congress now underway began with angry violent shouting machine-gun carrying men, escalating to beatings, bombings, shootings, and stomping.  There is a progression.

Maybe Stewart’s quieter code of the political road could help, but I think more likely that the National Guard will eventually have to be called out to shut down armed and organized militia malcontents who decide they have to take a stand.  I remember very well that happening in my home state of Mississippi and next-door in Alabama and Arkansas not really that long ago at all.

Comment #9: News Nag  on  11/01  at  12:18 PM

The Democratic Party still works under the mistaken impression that this country is mature, educated, informed, rational, and patient.  It has the crazy idea that the Constitution and the way the government is set up ensures frustration, but that that’s an okay thing in the long run.  It has this bizarre notion that the people want to better the world not just for selfish reasons but because it’s the right thing to do.  It expects that a rational populace will vote in its long-term best interests, will research all the benefits of the ACA at both governmental and non-governmental sources such as the Kaiser Family Foundation ( http://healthreform.kff.org/timeline.aspx ,) and understands that it’s not China buying our debt that’s the problem but are instead wondering why our own banks aren’t buying even more of these government bonds (and know that China’s 6% investment in our debt isn’t the worrisome menace that it’s laid out to be.)

I’m frustrated at the people.  They’re the ones falling for the flimflam of the Republicans.  The GOP is like an informercial put on for some sort of Prosperity Gospel Dieting plan that ensures no pain, will save you money, and will not stick you with a long-term contract.  The complete opposite is true, of course.  But the stupid is catching and it’s not coming from the Democrats.

Comment #10: 3letterjon  on  11/01  at  12:19 PM

I keep thinking about Carl Sagan’s book, The Demon Haunted World. If things go as badly as I’m hoping they won’t, I’m going to have to accidentally fall into a cryostasis tube tomorrow night and not thaw out until the nightmare is over.

Comment #11: Dr. Locrian  on  11/01  at  12:27 PM

I don’t think Stewart hates Keith.  Even after Stewart mocked Keith after his rant about Scott Brown the same way he mocked Beck, Keith admitted that he went a little bit too far (even though he didn’t).  Keith then showed up a few weeks later on the Daily Show to poke fun at himself.  I really don’t think Stewart really “hates” anybody, even if he has an occasional beef.

But the whole “both sides” crap needs to end and I wish Stewart could see that.

Comment #12: Albert Cirrus  on  11/01  at  12:29 PM

I think many voters don’t understand themselves to be directly affected in the short term by things like bad abortion laws or inadequate health care.  If they haven’t had an unplanned pregnancy, or experienced trying to deal with the health care needs of someone with a serious problem, they don’t imagine and aren’t going to vote/act on those scenarios.  Voting against their own (long term) interests in those areas doesn’t cause any cognitive problems.  Similarly, if you hear over and over again that your taxes are going up (or have gone up or are too high already) and if you are not paying your mortgage or don’t have a job, or know people in that situation and are worried about your economic situation, instead of doing any actual research, it’s easy to just vote for the “I’ll solve your problem, which was really caused by that person over there” candidate.

Comment #13: elisabeth51  on  11/01  at  12:31 PM

1st: Adorbs Costume!

2nd: “The big lesson that Republicans are learning is there is no natural cap to the nutty.” As a liberal in Kentucky, I get to see close up how much this election IS NOT ABOUT ISSUES BUT ABOUT IDENTITY. Rand Paul’s positions make absolutely no sense for most VOTING KENTUCKIANS let alone KENTUCKIANS. He is quite serious about a $2,000 Medicare Deductible, 23% sales tax, ending Social Security, Dismantling Public Education, the ADA, the Civil Rights Act, etc. But his rallies and his supporters don’t talk about these issues—they talk about “Taking America Back” and “Preserving Life” and “Patriotism.” Everything is a dog-whistle for white-men to feel superior to the rest of humanity and for right-wing women who think that by supporting said white men, they are somehow excepted from the oppressions they would gladly thrust upon “the wrong kinda woman.” There is absolutely no substance to his campaign whatsoever…he has run straight toward a vacuous, blank slate of privilege, fear and INDIGNATION. You are right that there is “no natural cap to the nutty” but equally there is no natural cap to the void of empty rhetoric these people will eat up. The 55-40 poll shocked the fuck out of me this morning. There was a 4pt margin before the stomp, now the violence conducted by a Paul CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL has actually assured his victory. I’m ill…I thought that the Aqua Buddha thing was poorly played by Conway, but the idea that ATTACKING AN ACTIVIST WHO HAD A SIGN THEY DISAGREED WITH actually got Rand Paul traction makes me fucking scared. Who are these people?

Comment #14: Thealogian  on  11/01  at  12:32 PM

Amanda - you may want to take a closer look at the Kos/R2000 poll info.  I’m not sure, but I believe that was one of the discredited polls where R2000 was making up data.

Comment #15: tempanon  on  11/01  at  12:34 PM

Well, maybe I’m wrong.  But anytime I have seen stewart reference KO it has been with contempt.

Comment #16: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  12:35 PM

Amanda you are wrong, the Tea Party is hurting Republicans this election.  The only reason that Democrats have chance in Nevada with its 14.5% unemployment and deep red Alaska is due to the insane candidates the Republicans ended up fielding.  Connecticut was supposed to be a toss up.  What that means though is that even the worst candidate imaginable will likely only cost you 5% points.  It also means that if you can give the crazy candidate a make over it can mitigate any effect, see Paul in Tennesee and Ron Johnson in Wisconsin (he made his millions the old fashioned way, he married into it).

Comment #17: Robert  on  11/01  at  12:35 PM

Thealogian - they’re authoritarians.  Many of them are double authoritarians.  meaning they love to slavishly take orders from the top swinging dick, just as much as they love inflicting orders onto everyone else - women, non-whites, gays, all of the “others”.

they really aren’t a mystery.  They are fucked up, but they’re not mysterious.

Comment #18: Lady Vader  on  11/01  at  12:38 PM

The Democrat still has no chance in Alaska.  Connecticut was lost for them because of the Tea Party crap, but that’s about the only place where the crazy really hurt the GOP’s chances.

What I don’t understand is why people are still buying into the notion that the Tea Party is anything other than the Extremist Republicans?  They’ve never endorsed any Democrats of any note, so this bipartisan or non-partisan charade has gone on long enough.  They’re just the Republicans who are too ashamed to admit it or are too stupid to figure it out or too corrupt to admit to their own lies.  They want to pretend to be a People’s Populist Front, but really they’re just another subsidiary of Republicorp.  They’re stupid, delusional, or liars.  Often they’re all three at the same time, which unfortunately still leaves them enough brain power to keep breathing as long as they don’t close their mouths.

Comment #19: 3letterjon  on  11/01  at  12:45 PM

Thealogian - they’re authoritarians.  Many of them are double authoritarians.  meaning they love to slavishly take orders from the top swinging dick, just as much as they love inflicting orders onto everyone else - women, non-whites, gays, all of the “others”.

A friend of mine and I like to make an analogy to feudalism/manorialism:  these are people who see themselves as voting for lords and they will, in turn, be the bailiff or the reeve who is above the lowly serfs.

Comment #20: Linnaeus  on  11/01  at  12:45 PM

I agree that the rally should have been earlier—a month earlier. What was also missing from 99% of the media narratives were the supporting rallies in San Francisco and Chicago which also got good crowds. I turned on faux news (sound off, of course) during the rally and they were covering the “thousands of tea party” rallies that sprang up across the country. They showed the same two and had really tight shots of the “crowds” so you couldn’t see that there were only about 15 people at each. At least one guy had enough nerve to wear a kkk hat, so at least he was being honest and wearing his beliefs on his head.

All hope may be lost in states like Alaska, West Virginia and Nevada. But don’t count out states with large African-American populations. The media reports on every single burp that limbaugh spews out into the airwaves and all but ignores urban radio stations which have spent countless hours since Labor Day working to get out the vote. I can’t count the number of times I have heard the president, first lady and any number of other democrats on urban radio getting out the vote. The goal being to get just as many African Americans to vote this year as we saw in 2008 and the effort is bearing fruit, particularly in places where early voting is allowed. So if you live in a state with a good sized population of black folks, don’t despair. It’s not over yet.

When you write about Sharron Angle, please don’t forget that Nevada has seen a 15% uptick of retirees moving there in the past decade. The angry, old folks are the ones who are going to elect that moron to the Senate. Her win may be a tiny bit about the high unemployment in that state, but it really says more about demographics than anything.

Comment #21: serious bette  on  11/01  at  12:46 PM

Lady Vader—but the thing is, I knew Rand Paul already had the Authoritarians in Kentucky! I was totally fine with him having the 25% of the population that would love to live under authoritarian rule, also the bigots (often the same people) and the ragging misogynist. I was perfectly fine with those people voting for Paul. What I didn’t know was that when it was 48/44 Paul to Conway before the stomp, Conway would loose support and the “undecided” would flock to Paul…to me that says that more people are authoritarian bigots than I could ever have imagined, even in Kentucky. This is scary because the excuse for this voting behavior CANNOT POSSIBLY BE ANY ISSUES BUT RATHER THE GLEEFUL APPRECIATION OF VIOLENCE AGAINST A DEFENSELESS WOMAN by a serious majority of my fellows in the COMMONWEALTH of Kentucky.

Comment #22: Thealogian  on  11/01  at  12:47 PM

I wish they’d done it a week earlier, though.  Partially for selfish reasons, but also because the message—-that reason is a value—-needed to percolate in the electorate more.

The American electorate can barely percolate an idea for more than 4 days before it’s forgotten. The Daily Show people timed it just about right for what little good it’s supposed to do.

The reason for all this is reason went out the door a long time ago.

The problem now is that, thanks to the vector of (and in many cases failure of) the MSM, this disease has metastasised beyond the Know-Nothing Republican base into mainstream independent voters. The level of fear has reached the point where people can’t even describe their own anti-intellectualism and spite in a coherent and honest manner.

But the whole “both sides” crap needs to end and I wish Stewart could see that.

Stewart casts the sides of the battle in terms of “smart vs. stupid” because it allows for a broader TV audience than the partisan cable pundits get.

For this reason, he’s unwilling to state explicitly that “stupid” is almost exclusively the province of modern conservatism—something I’m sure he sees. And when it comes to effecting it’s not enough just to be smart enough to laugh at the morons. The spectacle 150k people on the mall doing just that is heartening and may make a few independent voters wake up and say “I was actually considering voting for that ignorant dullard?!” but that’s all it’ll do.

(Love the costume, Amanda, especially the Betty Draper dress/pearls combo. It’s like Dana’s creepy fantasy come true)

Comment #23: Gracchus.  on  11/01  at  12:50 PM

Lady Vader:

Zifna, who is going to come across as being more reasonable than Obama?  Come on.  You know, maybe we just have to face up to the fact that Americans are dumb.  And too many of them thrive on hate.

Barack Obama isn’t my next door neighbor.  He was never my Congressman, much less my mayor or my state legislator.  He is a national politician on a national stage.  And while he strikes me as reasonable, I’m a DFH and not representative of the entire nation by any stretch.

But if you go down to Chicago or even the greater state of Illinois, he has a lot more popularity across all sectors.  Why?  Because he’s from that state.  He’s got a history there that he doesn’t have here in Texas.  If Lloyd Doggett or Kay Hutchenson were to be sitting in the Oval Office, they’d have a greater degree of bipartisan appeal in Texas, too.

Likewise, I love myself some Al Franken.  But when Franken gets on the national stage, 90% of America has no clue who he is.  (Maybe less, given his SNL history).  If Al Franken showed up in Houston and had a rally, it would dwarf the kind of rally he would get in Minneapolis.  If he wanted to rally a particular piece of legislation, folks in Dallas and San Antonio wouldn’t trust him like folks in the Twin Cities.

But if Chet Edwards decided to throw his support, or if Mayor White made a stand, he’d get a following in Texas that Al Franken would envy.  Because they are local.  People know White and Edwards better than they know Franken and Obama.

We need folks at the state and local levels who embrace progressive principals, support progressive legislation, and have their own progressive electoral bases.  That way they can climb the ladder towards House and Senate.  Chicago has this kind of machine.  New York does too.  California has it in spades.  And that’s why you see these cities continuously sending their Democratic leaders into high offices.  The plurality of a district supports the local alderman who became the local state congressman who became the State Senator who stumps for the national candidate.

Comment #24: Zifnab25  on  11/01  at  12:53 PM

A friend of mine and I like to make an analogy to feudalism/manorialism:  these are people who see themselves as voting for lords and they will, in turn, be the bailiff or the reeve who is above the lowly serfs.

And then they’re invariably shocked and dismayed when they’re told to go back to mucking out the stables once the leadership issue has been settled.

Comment #25: Gracchus.  on  11/01  at  12:55 PM

Stewart is sucked into that “both sides” mentality, and personally I think it’s because he over-relates to some issues wingnuts have, even as he intellectually disagrees with them.  (Which is why talking about abortion makes him uncomfortable, and he’s willing to entertain the ludicrous notion that someone like Mike Huckabee—-who backs an entire slate of policy ideas designed to make women second class citizens and push gays out completely—-has “moral” reasons for supporting a ban on abortion that just so happens to fit neatly with his overall sexist agenda.)

I haven’t seen the rally footage yet, but this is why I think it comes of as the “Rally of False Equivalencies”. My girlfriend and I watch the show on tape, so we’re usually a day behind, but the last episode we caught had him doing a montage of campaign ads that, in his words, “denied the humanity” of the opponent under attack. Included in the montage were ads stating that both Rand Paul and Sharon Angle wanted to “tear up the Constitution” and that someone (I think Buck) wanted to “force rape victims to bear their attackers babies”.

Now, saying that those two would “tear up the constitution” may be hyperbole, but does Jon think that anyone actually believes that that’s what the commercial literally meant, or that viewers would interpret it that way? And how does pressing someone on the blatant unconstituionality of their political views “deny their humanity?”

And really, Jon? It’s now practically evil to state the plain truth that an anti-choice candidate would force victims of rape and incest to give birth? To do so is to deny the humanity of someone who quite literally denies the humanity of more than half the world’s population? To quote your own show. “go fuck yourself”.

Comment #27: Egnu Cledge  on  11/01  at  01:04 PM

Does the Wii butterchurn come with the Amish Farmville linkup?  Can I get a Witness?

Comment #28: 3letterjon  on  11/01  at  01:05 PM

We need folks at the state and local levels who embrace progressive principals, support progressive legislation, and have their own progressive electoral bases.

I agree. However, it’s also important to note that all that progressive activism gets seriously diluted once things reach the federal level. This effect could be mitigated if the Democratic Party was more courageous in stating and sticking to its supposed core values. This is where issue-based NGOs come in—they can exert pressure on a national level and bring the party in line with the local Dems who aren’t mired in the establishment mindset. This is why Soros has moved his funding from the DNC to various liberal orgs.

Comment #29: Gracchus.  on  11/01  at  01:06 PM

If the media narrative wants to percolate that the Tea Baggers hurt Republicans, whether or not it’s true, I’m just fine with that.  Let them push it until Tea-Punching becomes as requisite as hippie punching.

Comment #30: acallidryas  on  11/01  at  01:09 PM

The Democrat still has no chance in Alaska.  Connecticut was lost for them because of the Tea Party crap, but that’s about the only place where the crazy really hurt the GOP’s chances.

They literally gave away the seat in Delaware.  Coons had no chance against Mike Castle (this year - normally it would have been competitive).  O’Donnell has no chance against Coons (this year or any other).  They teabagged themselves out of a 99% sure pick-up.

Comment #31: libdevil  on  11/01  at  01:13 PM

#16

Usually when Stewart shows anybody doing anything, it’s usually to make a point and ridicule them, so Keith isn’t special in that sense.  Some people get ridiculed harder than others.

While Stewart doesn’t really “hate” anybody, there are some people who he’s not “down with” and you can tell because they will never come on his show.

Comment #32: Albert Cirrus  on  11/01  at  01:15 PM

“Many of them are double authoritarians.”

I love that term!  I’m going to start using it.

Comment #33: Albert Cirrus  on  11/01  at  01:18 PM

Now, saying that those two would “tear up the constitution” may be hyperbole, but does Jon think that anyone actually believes that that’s what the commercial literally meant, or that viewers would interpret it that way? And how does pressing someone on the blatant unconstituionality of their political views “deny their humanity?”

I think the commercials try to jam a campaign’s worth of contention into a three-second sound bite.  Does Angle want to dissolve the Senate?  Does she want to abolish the 19th Amendment?  Does she oppose the existence of a judiciary?  Who can say?  Presumably, if she really wants to “tear up the Constitution” she’s against the whole thing.

The ads are vague and unenlightening.  They’re more about stoking fear than conveying information.  I have no better picture of Angle after the ad than I did when it began, except to note that Reid thinks she’s some kind of anarchist.

There is a degree of “They both do it” in modern politics, in that politicians are quick to run hyperbolic character attacks and exaggerations and slow to spell out policy or address questions on the complexity of a given issue.  Likewise, Conway’s Aqua Buddha might have been cutting and aggressive, but it never explained why I should vote for the former AG.  Just why I should be terrified of voting for Rand Paul.

John Stewart might be a hopeless idealist when he rejects vague and personal attacks like these, but he’s not entirely in the wrong for going after a political strategy that has been a net negative for Democracy as a whole.  This whole “ends justify the means” thing that Democrat hardliners are willing to embrace may win a race or two today, but they aren’t particularly helpful in the long run when it comes time to actually write policy.

Comment #34: Zifnab25  on  11/01  at  01:23 PM

Oh Amanda, the mama grizzly costume is too, too darling!  Next year, I hope you’ll join me in dressing as a Handmaid from the Republic of Gilead, for I share your opinions about what the tea party thugs have planned for the next couple of years.  Shudder.

Comment #35: Radicalhw  on  11/01  at  01:25 PM

Comment #2: Lady Vader

Honestly, my only silver lining is knowing that so many of the tards voting for this are going to suffer and suffer badly over the next few years.

I understand the anger, but could you please not call the voters you disagree with “tards.”

I’m one retard who’s going to suffer worse than many of the 55+ and older authoritarian conservatives as after they gorge on whatever social services are left before they die I’m going to be inheriting a broken country and polluted world made not that way by ‘tards but by greedy, inhumane, cowards.

Comment #36: R.T.  on  11/01  at  01:29 PM

#31, I got Connecticut and Delaware confused.  It’s Delaware that was lost because of the extremists.  Connecticut is probably only in play because of the other wing of Republican extremists: the plutarch wing, which is what is keeping California very blue while it seems Connecticut voters may very well be mesmerized by dollar signs more than reality.

Comment #37: 3letterjon  on  11/01  at  01:31 PM

  This whole “ends justify the means” thing that Democrat hardliners are willing to embrace may win a race or two today, but they aren’t particularly helpful in the long run when it comes time to actually write policy.

If you’re not willing to do the dirty work of politics, you’re not going to get the chance to make policy. The point is to win elections and pass the laws you want to pass, not to make you feel better about yourself for being virtuous.

Comment #38: Tyro  on  11/01  at  01:42 PM

Zifnab25,

OK, the ads may be uninformative, but they aren’t evil. And I stand by my “go fuck yourself” for his characterization of the anti-anti-choice ad.

My question is, who was this rally for? If your message is that rhetoric should be toned down, who is listening? Certainly not Republicans and not the media. All that means is that you’re discouraging semi-liberal moderates from voting for democrats who campaign harder than most.

Comment #39: Egnu Cledge  on  11/01  at  01:44 PM

#4 Zifnab25 says:That means getting together a better farm team…Because the Ben Nelsons and Joe Liebermans and Evan Bayhs aren’t cutting it anymore.  That’s one area where Republicans seem to do better - the state and local level, where partisanship means less and community clout means a lot more.  Holding the National Capital will remain fleeting and transitory without controlling more state houses and gaining more local grassroots goodwill.

Couldn’t agree more!  This is why voting in midterm elections is so important.  Tomorrow, state legislatures, county and town councils, school boards are up for election.  This is where most office holders make their start - just a few idle rich are able to self-fund a Senate or Governor’s campaign without going up the political ladder.
How many progressives/Dems know who is running for their town council tomorrow - probably far fewer than those who know every move made by O’Donnell, Paul, Angle and the other wingnuts who aren’t even running in their state!

Comment #40: CParis  on  11/01  at  01:47 PM

“Hey can you hear the call? In a ramble in the land
Sussurations that can’t extend beyond the hope of light
And plunge us into unrelenting night
A pall on Truth and Reason, it feels like hunting season
So avoid those lines of sight, and we’ll set this right”

Welcome to the new Dark Ages. I’m reading Ken Follett’s World Without End right now and it’s feeling too familiar for comfort.

Comment #41: BlackBloc  on  11/01  at  01:57 PM

I don’t get annoyed enough with Stewart’s “Both sides do it” attitude to stop watching the Daily Show, which is why I was appalled when he had one of Bush’s major torture-planners, Condoleezza Rice, on the show to shill for her book.  I think he has that Obama sickness where he gets all excited about finding common ground with someone from the other side, no matter how reprehensible that person might be.

Comment #42: Russell60  on  11/01  at  01:58 PM

“The problem now is that, thanks to the vector of (and in many cases failure of) the MSM, this disease has metastasised beyond the Know-Nothing Republican base into mainstream independent voters. The level of fear has reached the point where people can’t even describe their own anti-intellectualism and spite in a coherent and honest manner.”

It seems to me a great real-life example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

For another example, see this:
“Blah blah blah blah….same old liberal line, voters are too stupid to realize we have their best interests in mind.  Since we’ve explained it to them and they still won’t buy it then they must be stupid….Blah blah blah….”

Literally too stupid to realize just how stupid he is…

“Liberals are alway long on good intentions but short on results, talk about low on information.”

...Yeah, Pauly Numbnuts.  Much better to vote Republican, where they claim to be all for shrinking government, fiscal responsibility, truth and honesty, anti-choice, hates immigration, and forcing Christian morality on all Americans — and then pay absolutely no attention to any of those issues once in office. 

But never fear, the STUPID Republican voters will vote for them no matter what. 

Republican candidate gets caught doing meth with underage rent boys, after admitting he falsified his military service, embezzled millions from the government, wears a Nazi uniform on the weekends, has thugs who beat up anyone disagreeing with him, got seven GFs pregnant - from college through yesterday - and paid to abort each pregnancy with a Republican Party credit card, admits he is currently addicted to Oxycontin, is exposed as having an entire staff of servants, gardeners, and nannies - who are all illegal immigrants from Guatemala, and he worshipped Satan until a few weeks ago? 

Don’t fret!  You’re golden with the teabagging wingnut crowd…

Comment #43: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  02:10 PM

I think he has that Obama sickness where he gets all excited about finding common ground with someone from the other side, no matter how reprehensible that person might be.

I recently ended up meeting some people whose social circle contains a high level Bush administration official. And I kind of realize that if I do ever meet him in person, I probably won’t ask him if he’s proud for being such a fuckup in the high profile way in which he fucked up. He’s probably a decent person, and we share some things in common regarding personal background. I don’t think I’d confront him like that. And I think Jon Stewart and Obama are likely in the same position. Part of it really is a misplaced patriotism: issues of morality and decency are at stake, and it matters to the lives of actual people, but we can’t get past this idea that all people are equally good and their ideas worthy of respect because they just happened to have been born in the USA instead of some shithole like Canada or something. Not many people have really confronted the contradiction of, “we are all good people who all love our country and want what’s bes for the American people” with, “we support torture and send dishonest hain emails that Obama is going to convene death panels and herd people into camps.”

Comment #44: Tyro  on  11/01  at  02:17 PM

“Are you admitting that most whites are racist?”

Nonsense.  Most white people are not racists, but most racists are white.  It would be a lot easier to understand this if you took your weekend-WWII-reenactor’s SS uniform off once in a while and looked outside your little group of like-minded Fascists…

Comment #45: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  02:18 PM

Mike! Don’t ever respond to that troll (he has ran out of stick puns).

Most people are racist, but its a matter of degree. Thinking the budget deficit is all the fault of non-hard working folks who probably have a lot of melanin, or having a subconscious preference for a job applicant of your own race, or feeling that you got yours and don’t care what happens to other people is a far cry from being a full-on Nazi. Ask Dana or PAULSALATA.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbud8rLejLM

Comment #46: alysia  on  11/01  at  02:29 PM

“Then why are the most fanatically racist canidates since WWII about to be elected to office tomarrow?”

How many of them would get elected if they threw away the dogwhistles and PC language and openly advocated a whites-only nation?

The racist candidates are successful only because Joe-‘n-Jane Republican Whitebread respond to the dogwhistles, while wingnut double-think allows them to honestly believe they are not racists — even though the policies they support are unquestionably racist.  In other words, they are in deep, deep denial…

Comment #47: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  02:44 PM

@Tyro—there’s a difference between meeting someone in a personal and professional capacity.  All of us want to maintain a world in which people who have challenging jobs have some kind of downtime, even if that means not holding dillholes to account every moment of every day.

In addition, it is genuinely difficult to look a stranger in the eye and say, “I have some questions about your professional decisions.”  You know you don’t know the details and you know that nothing meaningful would likely come of it.

That said, the guy’s a Bush flunkie.  He’s objectively pro-systematic torture of innocent people.  So it’s not likely to be long before he comes out with some completely insane statement which will cause you to lose your shit organically.

Comment #48: Punditus Maximus  on  11/01  at  02:52 PM

Stick, you have been saying that young whites are just as racist as old whites (maybe in numbers, absolutely not in degree). This is not true. You think that the US is ready to become a white supremacist regime and go all krystal nacht on hispanics and this is not true (you will deny you think this because in your mind white people will be recognized as supreme ??? no more hispanics is how it apparently goes).

Now if you and your pink little peen are so important and indispensable to winning wars and what not, you better get back to work and leave us frivolous internet liberals alone.

Comment #49: alysia  on  11/01  at  02:53 PM

Sorry, alysia, but I’m in a feisty mood, and Stick Fascist makes a good target.

He’s not quite as stupid as Pauly Numbnuts, but way more (proudly) racist.  And if there’s one thing that sets me off, it’s the intellectual crime of racism. 

He is a great reminder that many wingnuts really are consciously driven by racism, even as the vast majority pretend to themselves they couldn’t possibly be racists…

Comment #50: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  02:53 PM

I didn’t watch much of Stewart’s rally, but I think by blaming it all on Washington, he missed the root of the problem. People tend to surround themselves with others who agree with them and don’t realize how much disagreement is really out there. We can compromise in real life because we can just ignore politics when driving and the like.

Although, a lot of the sanity signs were great.

Comment #51: alysia  on  11/01  at  02:57 PM

Sticky, remember the following:

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result each time.”

Comment #52: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  11/01  at  02:57 PM

I think there is also a huge difference between “accidental racism” and intentional racism.

While many people may harbor racist sentiments, they are not explicitly, knowingly, intentionally racist. 

So there is a difference in the mind of someone who (for example) naively supports AZ-1070 out of concern about illegal immigration, without realizing its racist side-effects, versus the mind of someone who supports AZ-1070 because they believe (as Stick Fascist has said) it will force the “Mexicans” out of the US…

Comment #53: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  03:05 PM

“Such a mistake indicates that you don’t understand even the basics of the German language.”

If there is one thing I’d readily believe of Stick Fascist, it’s that he’s aware of the basics of German.  How else could he read the sickening and irrational thoughts of his toothbrush-mustachioed Personal Jesus in their original tongue?...

Comment #54: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  03:11 PM

And krystalnacht is one word, not two.  Such a mistake indicates that you don’t understand even the basics of the German language.

And the term is properly written as Kristallnacht.  Misspelling aside, it’s also basic to the German language that nouns are capitalized.

Comment #55: Linnaeus  on  11/01  at  03:11 PM

Ignoring the troll as requested previously by our gracious hostess…

I really really wish that elected officials had to be answerable to their constituents for things accomplished. And negatives shouldn’t count. Or at least they shouldn’t count until there’s at least two positives to balance it out. They can’t have “shut down the senate over DADT” on their resume unless they can demonstrate two equal positives (even if they are partisan positives). They were put in the Senate/House to approve of legislation and keep the country moving. They are our administrators when it comes right down to cases… I’m sick and tired of elected officials deciding that it isn’t politically expedient to do their jobs. I can’t get away with that in my job…

They’re like gamblers always sure that the next big score is right around the corner and not willing to work with what they have because it isn’t perfect…

(also, I’m a huge fan of the costume too… if you use that dress again see if you can find petticoats to go under it… I’ve had luck with old dance studios and squaredance leagues when putting together 50’s era theatre costumes on the cheap)

Comment #56: kodiak  on  11/01  at  03:17 PM

Head Nazi: White men! White women! The sw*stika is calling you. The sacred and ancient symbol of your race, since the beginning of time. The Jew is using The Black as muscle against you. And you are left there helpless. Well, what are you going to do about it, Whitey? Just sit there? Of course not! You are going to join with us. The members of the American Socialist White Peoples’ Party. An organization of decent, law abiding white folk. Just like you!

Elwood: Illinois Nazis.
Jake: I hate Illinois Nazis.

...

Comment #57: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  03:19 PM

@Tyro:

If you’re not willing to do the dirty work of politics, you’re not going to get the chance to make policy. The point is to win elections and pass the laws you want to pass, not to make you feel better about yourself for being virtuous.

When you take to mudslinging, you dirty your own creditability alongside your opponents.  Reid’s ad painted Angle as an anti-Constitutionalist monster.  So now, if I’m a low info voter, Angle looks less appealing but so does Reid.  Negative ads suppress voter turnout because everyone ends up looking bad.  If Reid is an evil baby killer and Angle is an anti-American radical and I’m getting all my news from TV ads, why vote at all?  Why get politically active at all?  Reid hasn’t given me a reason to vote, much less support him in particular.

Obama’s whole “Yes We Can” campaign in ‘08 made people WANT to vote.  We CAN affect change.  We CAN fix the economy.  We CAN legislate affordable health care.  That makes me want to vote, and to vote for him.  By contrast, Reid and Conway ran a bunch of ads trying to convince Angle and Paul supporters to stay home.  And did it save their election campaigns?  I suppose we’ll see by tomorrow, but I’m not banking on it.

And once Obama got into office he had a mandate.  The GOP’s entire book of dirty tricks didn’t stop health care from passing or the stimulus from passing or financial reform from passing.  Meanwhile, if Reid or Conway DO get into office, what then?  What did they promise the voters they would do?  Not destroy the Constitution?  Not worship Aqua Buddha?  Great.  We’ll write up that legislation right away.  :-p

Comment #58: Zifnab25  on  11/01  at  03:22 PM

One of the things to remember in all this, is that a lot of low-info voters vote on how things are going. That’s the main reason Democrats are in trouble: the economy sucks and Democrats are in power. All the ads and messages might change things a bit, but really it’s that simple (most people hate all political ads and so tune them out).

Comment #59: JohnL  on  11/01  at  03:28 PM

So, Pauly Numbnuts, you can’t tell the difference between yourself and Stick Fascist?

Sockpuppet?  Or (again) just stupid?...

Comment #60: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  03:39 PM

There was a commentator at Crookeed Timber, who actually had a pretty good point on why Stewart needs to do the both sides do it schtick. Stewart’s core audience are generally liberal youngish people, twenties and thirties, probably with a college education and armed with a strong appreciation of irony. This audience would really respond badly to a really partisan, anti-conservative/GOP rally and needs some sort of equivalating but with subtle and not so subtle hints to vote and whom to vote for. At least thats how I understood the argument, I might be getting it wrong.

  One reason why Americans tend towards low-information voting is that we have more positions to keep track of plus propositions and ballot intiatives. In most other countries, voters just need to elect people for local, regional/provincial, and national governments. Also, in many countries, people vote by party rather than for an individual politician. Its easier to keep tract of things if voting for a particular party with a particular ideology rather a person. There are advantages to district, person based elections though. It gives people at least some connection to a politician if necessary for local concerns. However, another reason that Americans tend for low-information voting is that many don’t take their civic responsibilities seriously enough. They are Athenian idiots.

Comment #61: Lee  on  11/01  at  03:48 PM

Well, Zifnab, point taken that some strategies succeed and some don’t, and Obama can actually point to his campaign as an example of what’s successful. But keep in mind that Reid worked behind the scenes to get his toughes rivals out of the race for the nomination. And the Democrats sat back and allowed themselves to be demonized because they werent willing to demonize the opposition first. So the democrats have found themselves in a quandary where they did get some legislation past but they’ve become known as the party of death panels and using the census to round up people into prison camps. The American people don’t normally respect politicians that allow themselves to be targets of abuse, and that tends not to be a successful electoral strategy.

Comment #62: Tyro  on  11/01  at  03:54 PM

I think if there’s a bright side for the next couple of years, it’s that the GOP is unlikely to push their issues forward. No matter how much the teabaggers want laws banning Muslims and black and Hispanics and gays and women and book-larnin’, the GOP has basically committed themselves to passing as few laws as possible. And the few that they get passed will get zapped by the veto pen.

What might be interesting is whether any of the few remaining GOP moderates will take the Ben Nelson lessons and start bucking the Republican trends, solely as a way to get press attention.

On the not-so-bright side, though, the country will have to deal with the upcoming “GRR, BLACK PEOPLE” impeachment.  :/

Comment #63: Scott  on  11/01  at  03:58 PM

MikeEss, are you completely incapable of following the rules Amanda set down about not dealing with trolls, so as not to make a thread incoherent when she deletes his latest account?  Like, it’s not about how feisty your mood is-she, as one of the people who runs this site, has asked you (and everyone else) not to do something, but you keep doing it every time he pops up.

Any amount of attention makes him feel like he’s winning, and yet you keep giving him that attention over and over and over because you think for some inane reason you can argue with him.  It’s fucking stupid, and disrespectful towards the people who own this website.

Comment #64: Toitle  on  11/01  at  03:58 PM

To put more of a point on it, one of the things I’ve noticed about some people who were bullied is that when they get older, they seem to internalize the idea that, in some way, it is their lot in life to be bullied, and bullies pick up on this. Now, the targets might, in the wisdom that comes with age, learn good techniques for dealing with bullies and deflecting them, but at the end of the day, they identify as a victim, and bullies view them as victims vulnerable to being bullied. And that reminds me a lot of the Democrats: they’re familiar with being bullied and are looking around for ways to bypass the bullies and still hang in there. But at the end of the day, they’re targets, and everyone knows they’re targets, and Republicans know you can call them a much of socialist/commie/muslihippies and mostly get away with it. And not just that, they get upset at other Democrats who go on the attack because they don’t want to identify as bullies. I think it’s a nice earnest idea to think that, “we can’t go on the attack because it fails in the long term,” but in the long term, the democrats have actually done very poorly. At best they pulled off some short term legislative victories during a brief legislative moment of opportunity: entirely short term.

Comment #65: Tyro  on  11/01  at  04:03 PM

I think it’s fair to say that Jon is making some of the same mistakes that Obama is making. I don’t think he feels that “both sides are equally bad” and he certainly wouldn’t say that MSNBC comparable to Fox news, even though the examples of “liberal media commentators saying bad things” were all from MSNBC.

What I think he was trying to do was compromise. If he had only shown stuff from Fox or primarily stuff from Fox, then this would just be “A liberal media attack against Fox.”

Unfortunately, this compromise by Jon does exactly the same thing that Obama’s compromises with health care. The right wing media still calls it a “liberal media attack against Fox” and all the progressives get upset because the message isn’t as strong as it could have been.

Comment #66: BenYitzhak  on  11/01  at  04:10 PM

Lee—most countries are dominated by low info voters. In the US, like 20% of voters are well-informed. Even in uber-informed Scandinavian countries only like 35% of people are well informed.

Although, polls measuring voter knowledge usually don’t even take smaller races into consideration because polls would be too difficult to tailor. In small races where partisanship is not a factor, they are basically decided at random: see Greene, Alvin.

Comment #67: alysia  on  11/01  at  04:12 PM

I see that Jerry Brown might actually win over the carpet-bagging eMeg Whitman (otherwise known as Schwarzenegger in a skirt, with liberal dollops of Bush Jr. and Carly Fiorina thrown in for good measure).

(At least she’s not a teabagger.  Teabaggers wouldn’t be able to get elected to statewide office in California, thank god…)

I hope she loses.  She’s spent $140+ million to get California as a plaything or retirement hobby, the way some people have a garden or practice torture techniques on their “loved ones” for shits ‘n giggles

She’s selling herself as an “outsider”, as opposed to Brown, who is undeniably an insider (father was Gov, served 2-terms as Gov himself, politician his whole life.)  But while she’s spent money like a drunken sailor, Brown has always been the kind of fiscal “conservative” that real conservatives can’t actually bring themselves to be.

She thinks California should be run like one of her previous businesses:  Figure out how to jack the stock price, fire bunch of people and crippling the business, get a huge golden parachute when you leave, and do it again <strike>to someone else</strike> somewhere else.

If only she could figure out how to do a hostile takeover of another state and make a killing financially dismembering it.

Nowhere is there an recognition that there are actually people here, who may need their governor to do something more than pad her resume, like governing.

eMeg, I hope you lose, and I hope you exit California quickly before the door hits your ass…

Comment #68: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  04:13 PM

Robert Reich pretty much summed up what the center of American politics is:  http://robertreich.org/post/1442795541

Comment #69: James  on  11/01  at  04:14 PM

Toitle, guilty as charged. 

But I also think that seeing trolls who are as openly racist as some are is actually beneficial — not for them, but for us.  Since I don’t go over to conservative sites (and I assume a lot of others avoid them too), let alone troll them, I’m not exposed to a lot of the piss-poor behavior of the Reichwing otherwise.

Without fresh evidence of just how bad some of the people are, it’s too easy to forget.  Over here their trollery makes a good contrast to the sanity that otherwise prevails.  IMHO…

Comment #70: MikeEss  on  11/01  at  04:23 PM

I haven’t seen the rally footage yet, but this is why I think it comes of as the “Rally of False Equivalencies”. My girlfriend and I watch the show on tape, so we’re usually a day behind, but the last episode we caught had him doing a montage of campaign ads that, in his words, “denied the humanity” of the opponent under attack. Included in the montage were ads stating that both Rand Paul and Sharon Angle wanted to “tear up the Constitution” and that someone (I think Buck) wanted to “force rape victims to bear their attackers babies”.

Now, saying that those two would “tear up the constitution” may be hyperbole, but does Jon think that anyone actually believes that that’s what the commercial literally meant, or that viewers would interpret it that way? And how does pressing someone on the blatant unconstitutionality of their political views “deny their humanity?”

And really, Jon? It’s now practically evil to state the plain truth that an anti-choice candidate would force victims of rape and incest to give birth? To do so is to deny the humanity of someone who quite literally denies the humanity of more than half the world’s population? To quote your own show. “go fuck yourself”.
Comment #27: Egnu Cledge

I saw that one too. That narrative of Buck wanting to force rape victims to give birth to their rapists’ babies is oversimplified; considering the low reportage and conviction rate for rape and how difficult it is to get an abortion in many (probably most at this point) parts of the U.S. anymore, any anti-choice policy effectively forces women to give birth to their rapists’ babies, also to their accidentally-conceived-by-consensual-sex babies, which isn’t really any better. That Stewart and Obama and the rest of the “moderates” think women’s right to make their own reproductive decisions is a moral issue that’s up for debate and political pulse-taking* tells me they’re just wishy-washy hypocrites who don’t know civil rights from a hole in the ground, even despite Stewart’s advocacy against DADT and DOMA.

*Obama’s HHS is taking a year to do “studies” as to whether birth control is preventative medicine (ignoring all the studies that already say it is) that should be covered under the health care plan. I strongly suspect these “studies” amount to polling and focus groups to determine whether The American People believe women should be allowed access to birth control or should be punished for failing to keep their knees together, and to see what support they can get from religious groups.

I caught the rally on TV, by the way. It was boring.

Comment #71: snobographer  on  11/01  at  04:35 PM

Miller is down in Alaska, badly trailing Murkowski, and even MCadams.  Okay, I was writing that and instead decided to check the numbers and apparently a poll was released today which FLIES IN THE FACE OF ALL OTHER POLLING, showing Miller in the lead.

So that’s fucked up. 

I have no idea what to make of that.

I haven’t checked to see which poll you are referring to, but I’ll bet anything that it’s Rasmussen… they have consistently given Republicans better numbers than every other pollster this cycle.

I think Miller loses and Murkowski wins Alaska.

Unfortunately, I think Rand Paul wins Kentucky.

Nevada feels like a complete toss-up to me. I won’t be shocked if Angle wins, but I don’t think either will win by a very big margin… it’s going to be a nailbiter.

I think crazy wins one of those races, non-crazy wins one, and the third race is anybody’s guess.

Comment #72: DTGslu2K  on  11/01  at  04:38 PM

Amanda - you may want to take a closer look at the Kos/R2000 poll info.  I’m not sure, but I believe that was one of the discredited polls where R2000 was making up data.

It is a discredited polling company, and Markos Moulitsas has long since severed Daily Kos’ relationship with R2K. As a matter of fact, I’m pretty sure Kos is in the process of suing the shit out of them, because DKos spent quite a bit of money for their services.

Comment #73: DTGslu2K  on  11/01  at  04:45 PM

Robert Reich pretty much summed up what the center of American politics is:  http://robertreich.org/post/1442795541
Comment #79: James

There’s another one.

Women’s rights. Still up for debate.

Comment #74: snobographer  on  11/01  at  04:46 PM

I think Murkowski probably wins in Alaska, but who cares?  I guess she’s marginally better than Miller, and perhaps her injured vanity will make her vote against leadership more, à la Joe Lieberman, but that’s about it.  Don’t see much hope otherwise.  Thank God for Christine O’Donnell, though - I think she makes it virtually impossible for the Republicans to take back the Senate.

Comment #75: jlk7e  on  11/01  at  04:47 PM

Alysia, well yes thats true but the American system of having so many offices up for election encourages people to not even try to become even moderate level information voters.

  Re rape victims and bearing children. The Spanish and Portugese, when they were conservative, patriarchal, and obsessively Catholic, and their derivative cultures; used to have a practice of making rape victims marry their rapists if they were single. This was during the 16th to 19th centuries mainly. The idea was that it was more shameful for family honor to have a young woman who lost her virginity before marriage in the family than it was for her to marry her rapist and save family honor. I wonder if the anti-choice wignuts are eventually going to argue this. They are anti-sex enough to do it.

Comment #76: Lee  on  11/01  at  05:03 PM

Please do not feed the troll.  He probably doesn’t believe half the shit he’s saying, or if he does, it doesn’t matter. Arguing with him is the biggest possible waste of energy.  Take that energy and email me to let me know there’s a clean-up needed.  Please.

Comment #77: Amanda Marcotte  on  11/01  at  05:04 PM

One of the things to remember in all this, is that a lot of low-info voters vote on how things are going. That’s the main reason Democrats are in trouble: the economy sucks and Democrats are in power. All the ads and messages might change things a bit, but really it’s that simple (most people hate all political ads and so tune them out).

Lots of people will be paid lots of money to analyze the hell out of the results of the 2010 midterm elections, but no analysis will sum it quite as succinctly as the most well-known political observation ever made by the Ragin’ Cajun, James Carville:

It’s the economy, stupid.

Comment #78: DTGslu2K  on  11/01  at  05:07 PM

@78 - It’s not only wingnuts who are anti-choice anymore. That was my point. There are plenty of people on what’s considered the mainstream “left” these days who consider reproductive rights to be up for debate. Hence the Obama/Sebellius HHS rulings on abortion and birth control in the health care reform bill and Stewart’s pretenses that Ken Buck has an arguably reasonable position on the issue.

Another thing that’s pissing me off is people like me for whom Obama and the Democratic party aren’t liberal enough, particularly on reproductive rights, are being lumped in by the mainstream media (CNN’s doing this a lot) with “independents,” which translates to teabaggers and libertarians. There are polls saying Obama’s losing support from women voters, but there’s no analysis as to why he’s losing that support. It’s just assumed that we’re all jumping over to the far right, like we’re stupid.

Comment #79: snobographer  on  11/01  at  05:37 PM

It seems to me a great real-life example of the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Fear and duress make certain weak-willed people stupid, if they aren’t already that way to begin with.

We’re at the very end of a 60-year-long economic anomaly during which Americans (especially Boomers and older) felt that they were entitled to prosperity. Many Gen Xers have known that this sense of entitlement was bogus since at least 1985, but since 2008 no-one can deny the results of corporate looting and unsustainable behaviour without bending logic and reality until they’re unrecognisable as such.

Hence the rash of denialism and fantasism we’ve seen: climate-change denialism, oligarchy denialism, separation-of-church-and-state denialism, imperial-overreach denialism, etc. Many people (especially older people who are set in their ways) are unwilling to deal with the harsh realities or their own complicity in creating it, so they sink into stupid fantasies where anyone but themselves can be cast as the villain.

Predatory demagogues historically arise to take advantage of such sentiments, of course, but they themselves aren’t operating out of fear-driven stupidity. Their real agendas are, as always, power and money.

Most white people are not racists, but most racists are white.

More to my original point, people of any race who let racism affect their vote are generally stupid and/or ignorant. The message of the Avenue Q song Alysia quotes (a message which is clear to anyone who isn’t stupid) is that while “everyone’s a little bit racist” most people (absent a truly charismatic true-believer demagogue) aren’t idiotic enough let it affect truly important decisions.

Applied racism is one of many manifestations of stupidity/ignorance. Extreme difficulty with reading comprehension and vocabulary is another example. And so (moving back to my main point) is being a right-winger who isn’t already wealthy and powerful.

Comment #80: Gracchus.  on  11/01  at  05:44 PM

Does the Wii butterchurn come with the Amish Farmville linkup?  Can I get a Witness?

*groan*

Comment #81: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/01  at  07:31 PM

I still don’t understand why conservatives like PAULSALATA think that being “a racist” is bad.  They are racists.  All of their friends are racists.  They look at the TV and see a black guy as President and they lose their shit.  To them, that isn’t bad.  Why would being called a racist be bad?  It’s very confusing.

Comment #82: Punditus Maximus  on  11/01  at  08:26 PM

@85 - I see the same thing with sexism all the time.

“Bitches ain’t shit. Shut up and go make me a sammich!”

“You’re a misogynist prick.”

“How dare you!!!!”

Comment #83: snobographer  on  11/01  at  08:34 PM

I dread the extended family gathering at Thanksgiving.

There may be some anti-gay Tea Cracker relatives expelled from my life.

Comment #84: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  11/01  at  09:26 PM

I love the Tea Party

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Comment #85: Bradc00  on  11/01  at  09:31 PM

My Facebook status: What most worries me about Election Day: the right-winger in our building will celebrate like Detroit winning the World Series or if the GOP doesn’t win as big he’ll go into even more of a ‘roid rage.

Comment #86: Neil C.  on  11/01  at  10:01 PM

I think it’s too damn easy for Stewart to stay calm about the racist,  misogynistic shit going on. Come on, he’s a middle-class white guy—he might be progressive as anything but at the end of the day he’s not getting exported and he’s not being forced into pregnancies and, until the modern day baby-Nazi-party-in-training really gets back to its roots, he’s not the one the religious right thinks should be nuked into glass. It’s all ideological for him, not the very literally visceral reality that faces a young woman with a uterus being put up for rent.

Comment #87: Bagelsan  on  11/01  at  11:27 PM

I was at the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear (at least up to the Sheryl Crow/Kid Rock duet), and I had really mixed feelings about it.  It really did feel like a lot of the attendees, up to and including Stewart and Colbert at times, were there as a meta-commentary on how dumb it is for people to gather together and feel passionate about things.  The signs said things to the effect of “MY VIEWS ARE TOO COMPLEX TO FIT ON A PROTEST SIGN”, “ENVISION WHIRLED PEAS”, and even “I DON’T HAVE A DREAM SO MUCH AS A STRONG PREFERENCE”.  One dude in the crowd thought it was hilarious to bring a sign that said “SAVE THE WHALES”, and more than a few people were dressed like Waldo from “Where’s Waldo?”.  The handful of sincere signs about ending war and civil liberties abuses seemed sort of embarrassing and out of place.  It honestly made me feel sort of sick about being there, because I remember protesting during the buildup to Iraq (my views did, in fact, fit on a protest sign) and facing that exact type of mockery from people—even people who were against the war—who similarly considered themselves above all that hippie shit.

The closest the rally came to being an actual rally was when Yusuf Islam aka Cat Stevens sang “Peace Train”, a beautiful song about peace and inclusiveness that everyone really responded to.  And then, of course, Stewart and Colbert crudely shoehorned the song into a comedy sketch.  To the crowd’s credit, there was palpable dismay and loud, unironic booing when Colbert interrupted the song, I think because a lot of us in the crowd had been starved to hear messages with the resonance, simplicity, and moral clarity of “Peace Train”.  Two hundred thousand people clapping along to that song was just such an amazing counterpoint to the fear and loathing on display at the Glenn Beck rallies and on Fox news.

But Stewart wasn’t really about the morality; he was mostly about calling for “both sides” to tone down the discourse (which was the ultimate point of that comedy sketch).  And I hate general calls to tone down the discourse.  They favor people with privilege—it’s pretty easy to say everyone needs to stop complaining if you have nothing to complain about.  And Stewart, who’s pretty notorious for failing to own his privilege, seems more and more to have adopted this as his central issue, at a time when, as Glenn Greenwald pointed out, we sometimes need language that Stewart might deem “insane” just to accurately describe what is happening in the world.

The good thing about the rally, of course, is that 200,000 people showed up to basically reject the fear-based philosophy of the teabaggers (when they weren’t rejecting the concept of protesting itself), and show any news cameras that happened to be in the area that Americans aren’t all white supremacists who want to force everyone to be Christian.  The rally wasn’t about much, but if nothing else, it was about that, and for that reason, at least, I guess I found it worthwhile.

Comment #88: ryang  on  11/02  at  12:25 AM

othing more inspiring than having a man who endorses killing another man for his writings sing about peace.

This from a torture-supporting Bush lover like yourself. We are already well aware of your poor moral judgment. It’s not like your opinion counts for much.

Comment #89: Tyro  on  11/02  at  01:09 AM

That wasn’t moral equivalency, Paul. It was a moral condemnation of you.

Comment #90: Tyro  on  11/02  at  01:20 AM

Paul, people too stupid and cowardly to oppose torture like yourself don’t get to start moralizing. Your decisions consistently sucked, so what makes you think your opinion counts for a damn?

Comment #91: Tyro  on  11/02  at  01:32 AM

don’t feed it

Comment #92: snobographer  on  11/02  at  02:15 AM

Y’know, the nice thing about having a troll who keeps using the same “insult” over and over again (most recently in #95) is that I feel good reusing my own response. Seems like a win to me.

Projection much?
Comment #91: Atheist, A Feminist on 09/04 at 09:24 PM

That was fun.  You’d think there’d be some new material to go with the new names, but alas.  At least the asshole is changing up the typos.

Comment #93: Atheist, A Feminist  on  11/02  at  02:27 AM

BTW, why is Amanda posting a picture of what appears to be her eight-year old niece at the top of this story?

Comment #94: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/02  at  02:30 AM

My focus was on how the conservative movement stokes irrational fears of emasculation…

Check out Angle’s latest “The Mexicans Are Coming To Get You” ad at about the 8 second mark.

Comment #95: Plantsmantx  on  11/02  at  02:39 AM

Troll or no troll, don’t dehumanize him, her or hir, by saying “it”.  Just ignore. Discuss other things, move on.

Comment #96: JulesAboutTown  on  11/02  at  11:13 AM

I think the fact that Stewart and Colbert are professioanl comedians kind of requires them to do the sort of equivalting that they do. A noticeable minority of their audience is probably moderate or conservative rather than liberal and too much GOP bashing would probably scare them off. Professionals really can’t do this.

    Personally, I’m not in favor of insane language but I am in favor of calling a spade a spade. If the Republicans use dog-whistles or overt racism and sexism to get elected than they should be called out on it and what they are doing should be reported and explained to the general public for their edification. If their policy proposals are horrendous than this to should be pointed out, repeatedly. If they are hypocrites than the accusing finger should be pointed at them. This can be done without over the top rhetoric or demagogery though. What Grayson did during the HCR debate regarding the Republican ideas on healthcare is the way to do it. What Barney Frank did to the woman at the town hall is another good example of what to do. When Senator Sanders criticized Senator Colburn as being fundamentally unserious it was done in the proper way.* Grayson, Frank, and Sanders told the truth without any insane language or wild accusations.

  *This was when Colburn got Sanders to drop his states can create their own single-payer systems amendment if they want by using an obscure procedural rule to make him read the entire thing out loud.

Comment #97: Lee  on  11/02  at  11:14 AM

most countries are dominated by low info voters. In the US, like 20% of voters are well-informed. Even in uber-informed Scandinavian countries only like 35% of people are well informed.

Seems like that’s a very critical 15% then.

Comment #98: bomberE  on  11/02  at  01:23 PM

Emmet at 98: Other countries also have much higher voter turn outs. Only slightly over a third of Americans is going to be voting today. If more Americans voted, we might have a higher number of well-informed voters and Yellow Dog Democrats, enough to beat Republicans and other wingnuts frequently.

Comment #99: Lee  on  11/02  at  01:34 PM

Other countries regard voting as something to be encouraged, and do things like hold it on a weekend, ensure that everyone has to work at it not to be registered, not regard the statistically meaningless chance someone will vote twice as a reason to freak out, and depend on reliable, unsexy ways to count the votes.

Comment #100: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  11/02  at  04:36 PM
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