Has Agent Flowbee frontpaged this yet?

This is worse than the New Yorker cover.

Hasn’t what’s his name with all the Obama birth cert conspiracies paid you for “researching” that yet?

That’s nothing.  Rumour has it that Blackazoid also can convert good Christians with only the power of his mind to Islam and liberalism.  His touch supposedly makes women faint, children obedient, and men homosexual.

Jesse,

I don’t think the issue is that the birth certificate might somehow demonstrate that Obama is a Muslim. I think the issue is that the birth certificate might show that Obama does not meet the natural-born citizen requirement of the Constitution.

Obviously, if it turns out to be true, Obama would be Constitutionally barred from running.

In other words it would be… “huge, people.  Huge.”

Hence, the, uh, Kenyan nature of it.

Progressive Prince,
Yes, of course it would be. But don’t you think that, for him to get where he is now, the party would have done some bloody deep checks on him by now?

Blackazoid gets to decide where blackazoid is born, for whatever reason Blackazoid chooses.

You got?

Progressive Prince, are you privy to special information that he was not born from his mother?

That’s all he needs to be a natural born citizen - to be born to a US citizen mother.  Full stop.

Progressive Prince, are you privy to special information that he was not born from his mother?

That’s all he needs to be a natural born citizen - to be born to a US citizen mother.  Full stop.

Not exactly.

Naturalization law at the time of Obama’s birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for “ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”

Ann Dunham was 18 when Obama was born – so she wouldn’t have met the requirement of five years after the age of 16.

Dude.

That rocks so much.  That’s the best laugh I’ve had in ages.  Muslim as all HELL!

PP, again, Obama is my senator.  His nationality has been vetted.

He’s an American.  He was born in Hawaii, to an American woman (listen what I say).  People noodling about her not being old enough or his being born on American soil alone not being enough are nuts.  “Natural born” isn’t explicitly defined in the Constitution, but if being born on American soil doesn’t do it, nothing does.

Speaking of which, Sidney Juan Noriega McCain was “born” to American parents, but NOT on American soil.  His claim of natural born Americaness is weaker than B Hussein’s claim to Americanificationess. 

But McCain’s white.  And he’s a Republican.  So that’s okay then.

Plus, how do we know Mesus was not untimely rip’d from his mother’s womb?  No C-section infants are natural born Americans!  Vaginal birth Presidents only!  The Framers said so!

Ms Kate, maybe it can be determined that he was “from his mother’s womb/untimely ripped”? Then he wouldn’t be of woman born…

OMG, Obama’s gonna become Thane of Cawdor!

This is worse than the New Yorker cover.

Where “worse” means “funnier.”

PP - Hawaii was a state that Obama was born in.

Ergo, he’s a citizen.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

Also, Caren is mean for posting while I was still trying to remember what MacBeth was Thane of. CHEATING.

The squiggly red Microsoft Word lines are a nice touch. 

And from now on, I think I’m going to list my race as “Honkie” on official paperwork…

MacBeth, MacCain, what’s the difference?

Anyway, I heard that Obama was actually born in Nigeria, and if I would give their prince $15,000, not only would I get a copy of his originial birth certificate, but I could share the $10,000,000 they’re trying to bring into the United States!

PP - Hawaii was a state that Obama was born in.
Ergo, he’s a citizen. 

Yes, I agree he’s a citizen.

However, you seemed to mock, in your original post, right-wingers for thinking that this alleged birth certificate was significant because it somehow proved Obama was a Muslim.

I just pointed out that if there actually was a Kenyan birth certificate its significance would have nothing to do with Obama’s religion and everything to do with his meeting the Constitutional qualifications for the Presidency.

If he was born in Kenya to an eighteen year old mother - he would not likely meet the natural-born citizen qualification.

PP, I would advise skipping over this post, because it’s pretty obvious you don’t get it.

If he was born in Kenya to an eighteen year old mother - he would not likely meet the natural-born citizen qualification.

And if a frog had wings, it wouldn’t bump its ass when it hopped. The point is that all of these claims are utter bullshit, and by giving them even a modicum of argument, you’re concern trolling. Thanks for that.

Thanks, I needed a laugh this morning!

PP, some right wing bloggers were in fact typing in all caps WHERES IT SAY HIS RELIGION ON HIS COLB!?!?

However, you seemed to mock, in your original post, right-wingers for thinking that this alleged birth certificate was significant because it somehow proved Obama was a Muslim.

PP, did you miss all the Kenynosity of the Kenyanian COLB?  From Kenyatown, Kenya?  That while his mom is a honkie, his dad is “captivatingly Kenyan”?

Because that was all some real funny shit.  You should try reading again for the Kenyosity.  It complements the Muslimityness of the Blackazoid Mesus so well.
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Scott, please.  This Sun-Blocking Momma does not cheat.  She just types more quickly than thee. 

“Progressive Prince, are you privy to special information that he was not born from his mother?”

...wait a minute!  Do we have any special information that he WAS born from his “mother”??  Well DO WE?!?!?

Why won’t Obama provide DNA samples to prove his Americanism?  What is he afraid of?  Why won’t he GIVE US THE TRUTH?  WHAT IS HE HIDING!?!?!?!?

According to Cokie Roberts, expert on US statitude, “Hawaii” (which was actually called Hamasi in Arabic by the original mooslim settlers) is not a real state, because it was never legally joined to the United States of America!  Why won’t Hawaii give us the proof that it’s really a state?!?!?

Besides, “Obama” was actually the result of Nazi genetic experimentation, involving Josef Mengele.  He was actually born made in Argentina!  He represents the culmination of the Nazi’s carefully worked out plans for revenge against the United State for their “loss” in WW2!

Barack HUSSEIN Obama is really an IslamoNaziFrankenChimera who was sent by Satan to destroy America and prevent the return of Jesus!!!  And you dirty dhimmicrat leftist hippies don’t see it!…

Turn back!  Repent, for the hour has come!  God has given you one last chance to save your immortal soul!  Vote McCain in 2008 to stop the destruction of earth by a vengeful God!!!!1!11!!1!…

Caren, typing faster than me is cheating! I mean, I am a man…

(checks)

Yes, I am a man, and having a not-man be a faster typer than me is severely damaging to my man-bits.

(winces when he walks, for emphasis)

Yeah, well Macbeth may have been Thane of Cawdor and regicided his way to King of Scotland, but it was Macduff who wasfrom his mother’s womb untimely ripped!eleventyone!

That of course, negates Macduff’s Americanosity, his Kenyanicityness, his captivating Blackazoidian good looks and leave Malcom King of Scotland.

(See!  English degrees ARE useful for something!)

But they don’t stop typos.  Ouch.  ...was from...leaves Malcolm…

Let’s see if that bit of 1337 works.

But Malcolm could also be… MALCOLM X!

BLACKAZOID ALWAYS WINS!

I don’t think the issue is that the birth certificate might somehow demonstrate that Obama is a Muslim. I think the issue is that the birth certificate might show that Obama does not meet the natural-born citizen requirement of the Constitution.

Ah, the slur that will not die no matter how many times it’s disproven.

At this point, believing that the birth certificate that Obama released and posted on his website TWO MONTHS AGO is at about the level of credibility of claiming that aliens abducted you and shoved probes up your ass.  In fact, making the alien claim would probably be more credible at this point.

PP, you’re an absolute fool if you still think there’s any question at all about Obama’s birth certificate.  But, then, I knew as soon as you started trying to pull the fully debunked “his mother was too young” claim that I could send you a Nigerian scam letter and live easy for the rest of my life.

Please try to learn a little bit about the world and not be so naive next time, ‘kay?

Sorry, believing that the birth certificate is a fake.

That’s what I get for trying to comment before work.

Wow, that was really not funny.

Speaking of which, Sidney Juan Noriega McCain was “born” to American parents, but NOT on American soil.

Yes, he was. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was U.S. territory at the time. Ronald Reagan, aka The Fifth Mt. Rushmore Face™, arrived in the White House too late to stop Jimmy Carter, aka History’s Greatest Monster™, from giving it away to the Panamanians. But by then, McCain was already born, or “born,” as Caren has it. (What’s with the quote marks? Was he really hatched or grown in a test tube or something?)

But, then, I knew as soon as you started trying to pull the fully debunked “his mother was too young” claim that I could send you a Nigerian scam letter and live easy for the rest of my life.

Unfortunately, one cannot make the comment about gullible foolishness and not having money, given present POTUS.

<i>Naturalization law at the time of Obama’s birth required his natural-born parent (his mother) to have resided in the United States for “ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 16.”<i>

I call bullshit.  5 years, at least two of which had to be after the age of 14--see 8 USC 1401.

Ah, the slur that will not die no matter how many times it’s disproven.”

Well, that’s sort of the point. It hasn’t really been disproved. Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.

At this point, believing that the birth certificate that Obama released and posted on his website TWO MONTHS AGO

Well, you see the whole point that the birth certificate might be a forgery makes this statement rather silly.

ut, then, I knew as soon as you started trying to pull the fully debunked “his mother was too young” claim

It’s not debunked. It’s an accurate depiction of U.S immigration law at the time. If Obama was not born in the confines of U.S territory his parents wouldn’t qualify him for citizenship. Even your site agrees with this.

So far, that facet of law has been ignored because it has been assumed Obama was born in Hawaii - thus rendering his parents nationality irrelevant.

Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.

Indeed, his sister, who was born in Indonesia, and would not have a Hawai’ian COBL. Which proves just how deep the conspiracy goes.

PP is the most transparent troll I’ve seen here in a long, long time.  And that’s saying something.  Congratulations PP!

it has been assumed Obama was born in Hawaii

Well, no, it’s been documented that Obama was born in Hawaii.  You make it sound like he just materialized in a Honolulu hospital one summer day, and everybody shrugged their shoulders and said, “Huh.  Guess he must have been born here.”

You make it sound like he just materialized in a Honolulu hospital one summer day, and everybody shrugged their shoulders and said, “Huh.  Guess he must have been born here.”

Well, duh. The evil Muslim/Atheist/Communist/Jewish/Black Nationalist/Pakistani/Indoneisan conspiracy that created Obama teleported him in from the secret lab in Mecca/Baghdad/Tehran/Moscow in which he was created from a mixture of the genes of Malcolm X, Karl Marx, Josef Stalin, Osama bin Laden, and Paris Hilton. And then named him Barack Hussein Obama, because everyone knows that’s the kind of name American presidents have historically had.

Oh God, I missed this part:

Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s

I smell a new rumor.

WAS BARACK OBAMA REALLY BORN BARBARA OBAMA?

It’s not debunked. It’s an accurate depiction of U.S immigration law at the time.

Nonsense!  I’ve already cited the statute that says otherwise.  You’re just making this shit up.

“It’s not debunked. It’s an accurate depiction of U.S immigration law at the time. If Obama was not born in the confines of U.S territory his parents wouldn’t qualify him for citizenship. Even your site agrees with this.

So far, that facet of law has been ignored because it has been assumed Obama was born in Hawaii - thus rendering his parents nationality irrelevant.”

There’s only one thing we can do:  Bind his hands and feet.  Throw him into a pond.

If he floats, America’s founding fathers have rejected his Ameritude and he is disqualified for office. 

If he sinks, America’s founding fathers have embraced him as a true American.  He’ll be a real American, but he’ll be disqualified because he drowned.  But we can then test the next Democrat. 

We can just keep testing Democrats until we find one that passes all the tests.  It’s that simple, and it’s a mystery why the Dummocrats want to fight this so much.  What do they have to hide?…

What’s with the quote marks? Was he really hatched or grown in a test tube or something?

Juan Noriega was ADOPTED from a test tube that was untimely ripped from it’s mother’s egg!

No?  PROVE HE WASN’T!  McCain doesn’t even try to deny it on his website.  That means he wasn’t born, but “born”.  And the Constitution doesn’t say anything about scare quotes legitimatizing Americanosity.

Neener neener nee--oh.  Wait.  McCain’s white and Republican.  Never mind.

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OK, Scott, your manosity is fully restored with the Malcolm X line.  That was good, slowly typed or not.  I’m still the Sun-Blocker, though.

It hasn’t really been disproved.

Just look at all the posters at Free Republic and No Quarter that don’t believe it!  If you can’t trust them, who can you trust?!

Rea - you cited current U.S law. The idea is that the controlling law is that which was in force at the time of Obama’s birth.

Once again it’s on snopes.com.

Yep.  It’s on snopes.  As FALSE and debunked.

Mesus on a stick.  Give it up.  He’s the real deal, and short of DIEBOLD madness, by the twitching of my thumbs, something Blackazoidian Presidentialish this way comes.

You are so right, Progressive Prince!  That Snopes article PROVES unequivocally that Obama is not eligible to be president!

Here’s the money quote: “Since Hawaii is part of the United States, even if Barack Obama’s parents were both non-U.S. citizens who hadn’t even set foot in the country until just before he was born, he’d still qualify as a natural-born citizen.”...which by any reasonable reading unmistakably shows Barack Obama is not qualified, and in fact is an Islamic agent, as well as proving that capitalism and democracy is God’s chosen form of government!…

It’s all there in black and white.  They are trying to mislead us!  Open your eyes and see the truth!!!…

Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.

Indeed, his sister, who was born in Indonesia, and would not have a Hawai’ian COBL. Which proves just how deep the conspiracy goes.

Oh, it turns out you’re right. His sister was born in Indonesia.

That does seem problematic for their claim.

PP’s last point is valid, and it seems like people are willfully misconstruing it. Had Obama actually been born in Kenya, the current law about residency requirements for a citizen parent would not apply, and under the law at the time, he would not have been a citizen from birth.

Good thing he wasn’t actually born in Kenya.

So, do the Reichwing trolls who propagate this bullshit get paid by the word, by the lie, or by the post?

And if they get enough points, do they get a vacation at some exotic, foreign, place like Hawaii?…

Oh, it turns out you’re right. His sister was born in Indonesia.

That does seem problematic for their claim.

Oh, PP, you’re not even trying now.

His sister wasn’t born in Indonesia!  That COLB is a forgery too!

It all goes back to Blackazoid’s returning from the dawn of time where he magickally emerged from his own head, fully-formed, and travelled through the Medusa Cascade to the present.  Haven’t you been reading anything about the powers of Blackazoid, our own Mesus Almighty?  I suggest a return to the archives of Pandagonia and proper research into the Blackazoid phenomenon before further comment.

Some important points to emphasize:
1. We have no proof that Juan Noriega McCain was born to Roberta Wright McCain, or even that the senior McCains were ever legally married. We need to see the results of a maternity test NOW, without delay. Meanwhile, all this time we’ve been assuming that Roberta Wright McCain (through which the foreign-born McCain claims citizenship) was a U.S. citizen at the time Juan Noriega was born. Again, let us see the proof of her citizenship.
2. As the Supreme Court noted in Vermilya-Brown Co., Inc. v. Connell, 335 U.S. 377 (1948), per the Isthmian Canal Convention, 33 Stat. 2234, the sovereignty of such territory [the Canal Zone] [was] actually vested in the Republic of Panama. Therefore, by virtue of his birth in the Republic of Panama, where ius soli applies, Juan Noriega McCain was born a citizen of Panama.
3. It’s possible that Panamanian citizen Juan Noriega McCain also acquired US citizenship through his mother, if the necessary links in the chain can be proven. But under the laws of the Republic of Panama, Juan Noriega McCain would have had to RENOUNCE his Panamanian citizenship at the time of his majority. There is no evidence that Juan Noriega McCain ever did so. Thus even if he were the natural son of Roberta Wright McCain, Juan Noriega McCain remains a citizen of Panama. Further, because the Republic of Panama does not recognize dual citizenship, Juan McCain CANNOT be a citizen of the United States.

Summary of items needed to establish McCain’s eligibility for the US Presidency:
1. Proof of Roberta Wright McCain’s citizenship at the time Juan Noriega McCain was born.
2. DNA test proving that RWMC was the biological mother of JNMC.
3. Documented proof that JNMC renounced his Panamanian citizenship at the age of majority.

We’re just lucky that our best Kerning Experts are busy trying to prove that Georgia is actually a province of Iraq and therefore under the control of the AUMF.  Otherwise, B. Hussein Obama would REALLY be scared…

Well, that’s sort of the point. It hasn’t really been disproved. Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.

There are also people who claim to have evidence that the Virgin Mary appeared to them in a tortilla.  Why are we supposed to believe the “evidence” of crazy people with an agenda, again?

I’m sorry that you’re so desperate to find something wrong with Obama that you have to develop an elaborate conspiracy theory that claims that he’s really using his sister’s birth certificate even though she wasn’t born in the US.  You may want to seek help—there are medications that are very helpful for delusions these days.

There are also people who claim to have evidence that the Virgin Mary appeared to them in a tortilla.  Why are we supposed to believe the “evidence” of crazy people with an agenda, again?

To be fair to the Obama-isn’t-a-citizen crowd they do point to all sorts of missing seals and incongruous lines which indicate tampering. It’s really quite elaborate - their reasons for thinking that Obama was born out of the U.S. Some sites even have alleged time lines complete with alternate birth dates and locations for all of the Obama siblings.

I’m sorry that you’re so desperate to find something wrong with Obama that you have to develop an elaborate conspiracy theory that claims that he’s really using his sister’s birth certificate even though she wasn’t born in the US.

I am an Obama supporter so I don’t think I have any ulterior motives to wanting him to be a not-citizen.

And as I said before I do believe Obama is a citizen who meets the Constitutional requirements for the office.

My post originally was just taking issue with Jesse’s claim that the controversy around the COLB had to do with him being a Muslim or not - rather than what it is about - which is whether he is qualified to hold the office he seeks.

I’m not sure how many more Kenya references Jesse would have needed to put on there to demonstrate that he knows what the controversy is supposedly about.  He’s just poking fun at two different paranoid conspiracy theories at the same time.  He’s a multitasker that way.

To be fair to the Obama-isn’t-a-citizen crowd they do point to all sorts of missing seals and incongruous lines which indicate tampering.

They apparently don’t know that the signature and seal of Hawaii birth certificates appears on the back, not the front.  If they don’t know this basic fact and therefore base their speculations on the “missing” seal that doesn’t appear on the front, why am I supposed to take them seriously, again?

They’re also looking at a JPG with all of the digital artifacts that implies.  If they can’t tell a pixel from a line, why am I supposed to take them seriously, again?

It’s really quite elaborate - their reasons for thinking that Obama was born out of the U.S. Some sites even have alleged time lines complete with alternate birth dates and locations for all of the Obama siblings.

Evidence of elaboration tends to be evidence for the falsity of that conspiracy theory.  There’s no “Well, my conspiracy theory is more elaborate than everyone else’s, so mine must be true!” loophole.

Again, there are many people who can give you extremely elaborate explanations of the society and culture of the aliens who abducted them.  Since the stories are so elaborate, by your estimation that must prove that they’re true and that the people really were abducted even if there’s no actual evidence that they were abducted.

Progressive Prince is like an inverse fairly tale: kiss him and he will become a conservative troll.

why am I supposed to take them seriously, again?

I never said you had to take them seriously.

Evidence of elaboration tends to be evidence for the falsity of that conspiracy theory. 

I agree. I was only commenting on how really intricate and elaborate their theories are - it kind of impresses me how creative they are.

Since the stories are so elaborate, by your estimation that must prove that they’re true and that the people really were abducted even if there’s no actual evidence that they were abducted.

Again. I don’t think they are right.

Progressive Prince is like an inverse fairly tale: kiss him and he will become a conservative troll.

This was mean. It makes me sad. :(

alleged time lines complete with alternate birth dates and locations for all of the Obama siblings.

1.  Unless you’re referring to Barack Obama, Sr’s other children, there are only two—Barack and Maya.  There are notable errors on some Indonesian paperwork re Barack; the one I’ve heard about is his school registration paperwork.  If you’ve ever traveled to a developing country (and I’d imagine this would have been worse in the 60’s, before computers and copy and paste and such), you will know that, yeah, errors sometimes get made on paperwork.  I don’t know about Indonesia’s political stability in the mid 60’s, but I know that in some countries it can be best to pay a low level clerk to “botch” the red tape rather than go through the drama of explaining to various levels of the local authorities exactly whose child this is, and exactly what a good Indonesian Muslim like Lolo Soetoro is doing marrying some secondhand goods honky strumpet?  There’s also the alternative that someone in Soetoro’s family filled out the paperwork and didn’t have all the relevant info on Barack, so just made stuff up.  I would guess that a copy of Barack’s birth certificate as filed in Hawaii is probably a more trustworthy document vis a vis the USA than some Indonesian school registration paperwork.

2.  If you’re referring to Barack Sr’s other children, all of whom were born in Kenya to different mothers, what of it?  A) the abovementioned part about developing countries and a “mistake” on the paperwork sometimes being preferable to having to rectify some bureaucratic issue, and B) Barack Jr. was not raised with those other siblings, so it’s unlikely that aberrations in their paperwork have anything to do with him.  That’s like suggesting that if my stepsister has a fake ID, therefore I must not be who I say I am.

I never said you had to take them seriously.

No?  And yet this is the very first thing you said in the thread:

I don’t think the issue is that the birth certificate might somehow demonstrate that Obama is a Muslim. I think the issue is that the birth certificate might show that Obama does not meet the natural-born citizen requirement of the Constitution.

Obviously, if it turns out to be true, Obama would be Constitutionally barred from running.

In other words it would be… “huge, people.  Huge.”

In your next comment, you credulously repeated the story that his mother was too young to give birth to a US citizen, and you’ve spouted nothing but right-wing conspiracy theories in this entire thread. 

Oh, but now that everything you claimed has been debunked and you’ve been shown to be either a fool or a liar, now it was all just anthropological fascination with their crazy conspiracy theories and you never really believed them for a minute.  Riiiiiight.

I don’t know about Indonesia’s political stability in the mid 60’s,...

Go to Netflix and punch up The Year of Living Dangerously.

My first comment was simply taking issue with Jesse’s implied claim in the original post that the controversy over Obama’s birth certificate had anything to do with his being or not being a Muslim.

I pointed out that the reason right wingers were so interested was that it could. potentially, disqualify Obama. In other words, it had everything to do with constitutional qualifications.

Also take note of my use of qualifiers in this comment and others - I never actually said I believed Obama was not a citizen. In fact, in my third comment I flat out said “Yes, I agree he’s a citizen. “

How you inferred from this that I was saying that they had to be taken seriously I don’t know.

In your next comment, you credulously repeated the story that his mother was too young to give birth to a US citizen, and you’ve spouted nothing but right-wing conspiracy theories in this entire thread.

If I recall this was in response to someone who alleged that it wouldn’t matter where Obama was born - as long as his mom was a citizen. I pointed out that according to immigration law at the time (with a hyperlink to findlaw.com) this wasn’t true.

If Obama was born out of the territorial confines of the U.S. his mother’s citizenship wouldn’t be enough to naturalize him under a plan text reading of the then relevant U.S immigration law.

That was never refuted by anyone.

As for spouting right wing conspiracy theories… it is true that later I sort of defended them by pointing out that it technically they hadn’t been disproved - even though I had already admitted that I disagreed with them. But I readily admitted that their theory was problematic in the next post.

Oh, but now that everything you claimed has been debunked

Not from where I stand.

now it was all just anthropological fascination with their crazy conspiracy theories and you never really believed them for a minute.  Riiiiiight.

I admit I was somewhat concerned when I first heard about this possible problem with his birth certificate but I think researching the topic a bit has fully alleviated my fears.

If Obama was born out of the territorial confines of the U.S. his mother’s citizenship wouldn’t be enough to naturalize him under a plan text reading of the then relevant U.S immigration law.

That was never refuted by anyone.

As rea pointed out above, the relevant measure was from the age of 14, not 18.  Meaning that it would be enough.  Of course, there’s no evidence that Durham, a currently enrolled student at the University of Hawaii, would have traveled to a foreign country to have her child.

As rea pointed out above, the relevant measure was from the age of 14, not 18.

We already had this discussion up thread. Rea is right with regard to current immigration law. However, there was a different immigration law in effect when Obama was born.

Specifically from December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986 the law was that the five years measured from 18, which would make Obama not a citizen IF he was not born in the U.S, but since we all think he was, it is a moot point anyway.

You are a total idiot.

Progressive Prince wrote: “It’s really quite elaborate - their reasons for thinking that Obama was born out of the U.S. Some sites even have alleged time lines complete with alternate birth dates and locations for all of the Obama siblings.”

Yes, the theories of David Icke and the Time Cube guy are also quite elaborate.

Ms Kate, maybe it can be determined that he was “from his mother’s womb/untimely ripped”? Then he wouldn’t be of woman born…

OMG, Obama’s gonna become Thane of Cawdor!

Lay the fuck on!

Nice work, Jesse.

All that’s missing is something connecting this to Niger uranium.

You are a total idiot.

Tom, anybody who didn’t read over the comments with much care would have made Jesse’s minor mistake.

You really shouldn’t call people idiots for such understandable confusion.

It’s just plain mean - indicative of a brutish, unpleasant nature.

Also take note of my use of qualifiers in this comment and others - I never actually said I believed Obama was not a citizen. In fact, in my third comment I flat out said “Yes, I agree he’s a citizen.“

How you inferred from this that I was saying that they had to be taken seriousosly I don’t know.

So you claim you don’t take them seriously, yet you persist in highlighting the claims of the Malkinite Kerning, Countertop, and Birth Certificate Experts.

If Obama was born out of the territorial confines of the U.S. his mother’s citizenship wouldn’t be enough to naturalize him under a plan text reading of the then relevant U.S immigration law.

That was never refuted by anyone.

1. It’s a moot point, because Obama was born in HI. He even has the birth certificate to prove it. The only people that don’t buy it are RW trolls, and people like Larry Johnson (but I repeat myself).

2. If you don’t believe this bullshit, then why do you keep bringing it up?

“You really shouldn’t call people idiots for such understandable confusion.

It’s just plain mean - indicative of a brutish, unpleasant nature.”

...okay, “Progressive Prince”, you’re really Deborah Howell, aren’t you...?

NO… no… our great darkie conspiracy is ruined.. .RUIN’D… we lay in wait so many hundreds of years, first planting Jessie J. with a failed attempt at overtaking the US in order to soften up “whitey.” Then we unleashed the bland blackness of the Gumbles and Wayne Brady finally culminating in Operation Fruit of Islam overthrow of US in Glorious Blackness, (clumsy I know but we just wanted to display our well spoken-ness)… Bean Pies for all ... justice for none.  All to be undone by a blatantly obvious birth certificate… we made the Gumbles stars but forgot to hide the most assuredly Kenyan certificate.... and we would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for you meddlesome kids.... what a whirl ... what a whirl…

If Obama was born out of the territorial confines of the U.S. his mother’s citizenship wouldn’t be enough to naturalize him under a plan text reading of the then relevant U.S immigration law.

If I’d been born into Bill Gates’ family, I’d be a multi-millionaire and never have to work again.  Therefore, I’m going to quit my job.  Thanks, PP!

Hilarious! Jesse, I like you. You make me laugh!

If I’d been born into Bill Gates’ family, I’d be a multi-millionaire and never have to work again.  Therefore, I’m going to quit my job.  Thanks, PP!

No, no, PP is just saying that if all the insanity of the Obama COLB Truther set was not insane, but true, then it would be really super-important. He’s not saying it’s real, just that it could be real. Maybe.

I stumbled across the whole drama concerning the legitimacy of Obama’s birth certificate tonight and was astonished by the way in which people clung so vehemently and without question to the conspiracy theory and the analysis given by an anonymous source that the birth certificate was doctored (methinks the hardcore Clinton supporters need to stop grasping at straws).

Anyway, this post was brilliant!  Thanks for bringing to light the absurdness of it and injecting some much needed humor.

You, sir, are a comedy legend.

PP, this isn’t a legitimate issue. It’s lunacy. If you’re taking right-wing lunacy seriously and defending its seriousness, you are a textbook definition of a concern troll.
Also, i take issue with this: “It hasn’t really been disproved. Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.”
Someone proposing something ridiculous or counter to prevailing wisdom has the obligation to *prove.* There is no obligiation to *disprove.* Things cannot be disproved. They can only be proved. You haven’t yet disproved that you’re a Martian intent on melting the earth’s core and freezing humanity to death. That hasn’t really been disproved, either.

“You haven’t yet disproved that you’re a Martian intent on melting the earth’s core and freezing humanity to death. That hasn’t really been disproved, either.”

Greg, everybody knows the Martians are here to round up humans for use as a food source.

“IT’S A COOKBOOK!!!”…

while it is true all conservative people are not stupid, it is true all stupid people are conservative. you boys do pride yourself on being ignorant.

No, no, PP is just saying that if all the insanity of the Obama COLB Truther set was not insane, but true, then it would be really super-important. He’s not saying it’s real, just that it could be real. Maybe.

Exactly.

1. It’s a moot point, because Obama was born in HI. He even has the birth certificate to prove it.

I agree. That’s why I already said: “which would make Obama not a citizen IF he was not born in the U.S, but since we all think he was, it is a moot point anyway.”

2. If you don’t believe this bullshit, then why do you keep bringing it up?

Good question. It probably similar to whatever it is that motivated you to comment on this thread.

No, no, PP is just saying that if all the insanity of the Obama COLB Truther set was not insane, but true, then it would be really super-important. He’s not saying it’s real, just that it could be real. Maybe.

Exactly.

To quote Dale Denton: “Not a compliment dude”

.okay, “Progressive Prince”, you’re really Deborah Howell, aren’t you...?

No.

So you claim you don’t take them seriously, yet you persist in highlighting the claims of the Malkinite Kerning, Countertop, and Birth Certificate Experts. 

I don’t know who those people are.

If you’re taking right-wing lunacy seriously and defending its seriousness, you are a textbook definition of a concern troll.

I never said I took it seriously or defended it seriously.

Also, i take issue with this: “It hasn’t really been disproved. Recently, a few independent analysts have claimed to have discovered that the Obama’s COBL is a forgery of a woman’s - possibly his sister.”
Someone proposing something ridiculous or counter to prevailing wisdom has the obligation to *prove.* There is no obligiation to *disprove.* Things cannot be disproved. They can only be proved.

Yes I agree. That’s why I only said that in response to “Ah, the slur that will not die no matter how many times it’s disproved”

As you pointed out technically nothing can be disproved.

If you told me that you could disprove the notion that I, as a Martian, was planning to melt the core of the Earth - I would tell you that, really… you haven’t disproved that.

Then other commenters would likely accuse me of spouting conspiracy theories…

Tom, anybody who didn’t read over the comments with much care would have made Jesse’s minor mistake.
You really shouldn’t call people idiots for such understandable confusion.

PP, we’re calling you an idiot b/c Jesse’s discovered COLB is full of Kenyosity.  The whole “not born in the US” idiocy is confirmed by the birthplace of “Kenyatown, Kenya” and by the COLB being filed in the heart of Kenya. 

The Muslimocity was just a bonus funny, not the sole point of the joke.  It’s so thoroughly UNFUNNY now b/c we’ve been trying to explain this to you during the whole thread.  Jesse couldn’t have brought up the “Obama was born in another country to an overly young unwed mother (slut) so he can’t be a natural born American or President, and thank god for that since he’s also a secret Muslim manchurian candidate” slurs any better unless he’d written out like so.

And if he had written it out like that, you’d probably still focus on the Muslimosificationess and not on the Kenyaninanity.

Shit.  How many more times can anyone say KENYAN COLB b/f you finally get that YOU MISSED THE GAG?

“Yes, he was. He was born in the Panama Canal Zone, which was U.S. territory at the time.”

The Panama Canal Zone was not U.S. territory. It was leased from Panama, and remained Panamanian territory, although the U.S. held jurisdiction there.

PP, we’re calling you an idiot

No, really?!? I had no idea!*

*This is sarcastic

If watching The Brady Bunch has taught me anything (and it has), Hawaii is mostly sand, and, therefore, not technically American SOIL.

So Barack (if that’s EVEN his real name) is 100% black-skinned, America-hating alien, and therefore, only somewhat less qualified to be president than John McCain (PBuH).

McCain is Panamanian.

Obama’s mother was also a VIRGIN.

Mr. Taylor; I will continue the comments that you have a bogus birth certificate. Senator Obama was born in Hawaii, and his legitamate birth certificate has appeared on line. His mother was born in Kansas and was not religious and his father was born in Kenya but was an atheist. Sir you are putting out lies and I as others who have left you comments will shout from the roof tops that you have been lying. And it appears to me that these lies are not working, Senator Obama is doing very well with the electorate.

This isn’t a COLB; it’s a COLMKBTAWL.  Looks like the Muslimian Kenyadidate has a lot to answer for.

I’m not sure that I was born to a woman.  I do remember, though, that wolves were involved.  Can I run for President?

Er, Kenya also didn’t exist in 1961.  It was still British East Africa.

I’m thinking “Progressive Prince” must be around 15 or 16 years old. That’s the kindest explanation I can come up with for the ridiculous and delusional nature of the comments posted.

Damn, Dave J. beat me to it.

Did you get that TOTALLY AUTHENTIC document from Michael Ledeen, Jesse?

Er, Kenya also didn’t exist in 1961.  It was still British East Africa.

So does this mean that Obama is really British?  Maybe he can be President and Prime Minister at the same time!

At last, the moment for which I have been trolling comment threads since O4

Macbeth meets Kerning Experts.  Someone here *must* be able to explain to me the deep connection between “Kerning” and the “kerns and gallowglasses” featured in Macbeth act 1 scene 2
http://shakespeare.about.com/od/act1scene2/Macbeth_Glossary_Act_1_Scene_2.htm

also is there an “All Ur Kerns Are Belong to Us” video on youtube ?  If not why not ?

Funniest birth certificate ever.

i did laugh and i found it off topic, dont have nothing about my child walking to school without getting jacked, or sustaining my business or even getting a quality education - that the guy who did this obv didnt have lol

*Starts a Slow Clap*

That was funny. No really, it was.

Just a comment on the “independent analysts” who have made claims about the Obama COLB: If you look at the link in Prog Prince’s first mention, you will see that it goes to Israelinsider.com, which (on a brief perusal) has an agenda that may or may not affect its objectivity on Obama.  Secondly, the link in turn links to a purported analysis by “Techdude”—by far the most, um, dedicated person in this whole drummed-up controversy.  According to Israelinsider.com, Techdude said some serious stuff, apparently claiming that the COLB posted by the Obama campaign is forged off the COLB of a female born in the 70’s… but the link to Techdude’s analysis comes up 404.  ‘Tain’t there no more.

On the other hand, there’s lots of other stuff at that site ("TexasDarlin.com") that will feed an army of hungry conspiracy trolls.  Makes my brain hurt.

What a load.
PP ... you suck.
claim to support Obama and then continually strive to keep the BS narrative about the possibility of his “foreignness” going on and on.
OOOOH he’s foriegn just look at the evidence.
He hasn’t “proven” he’s not the king of the mole people either.

Oh but I really support McCain.
I heard somewhere that he likes to stick a fist up his rear and smear it on his ice cream.
He’s the right kind of guy and I don’t really believe this to be true...but I heard that after he smears it on his ice cream he likes to bathe in it too.

I mean, don’t get me wrong....I don’t believe any of this but there are compelling arguments that suggest that John “fisty” McCain sure likes the felch and ice cream sunday.
It had something to do with a bag of warm, soapy water I think.
Of course, it is not true and I don’t believe it for a second oh no…

but there is no evidence that this does not happen

PP in the potty

Obama and Hillary co-sponsored legislation to resolve any “Panama” issue that people might bring up about McCain:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/05/01/clinton-obama-sponsor-mccain-citizenship-bill/

“Yesterday, the Senate passed a resolution declaring that McCain is a natural-born citizen. The resolution was passed by unanimous consent. More surprising than the result, however, was the fact that the bill was written and submitted by Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO), and co sponsored by both Democratic presidential candidates, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). Politics makes strange bedfellows.”

(We are nice people!)

Anyway, as for the thread, in the beginning, I thought PP might just be trying to explicate the mindset of the opposition.  I catch flak for doing this sometimes —people mistaking empathic-intellectual discussion for deeper, abiding sympathy and agreement. 

It did seem some folks here don’t understand the entire gist of the wingnut theories, or care to, which is understandable, but which inhibits folks’ ability to fully refute them.  Except by yelling, which is sort of what happened here.  But maybe it’s justified here… PP does seem unmoored, the further you read through his comments.