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The uglier the footwear, the more recession-proof

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Rebecca Traister has a cute article up about how magazines that peddle the high life are having to readjust their editorial so as to reflect the fact that their readership is so worried about money and/or broke that they can’t even fantasize about $500 pairs of shoes without getting a pit in their stomachs.  Articles about shopping in your closet, making the most of your dollar, reinventing your wardrobe with clothes you already have—-everything but the time-honored strategy of buying secondhand.  (Please do not peddle this, fashion magazines.  Pickings are already slim for us long-standing resale shoppers.)  I disagree with Rebecca’s assessment of the situation:

This is very practical advice. It is very sturdy. It is very sage. It is very depressing. As someone who kind of loathes shopping, I nonetheless am horrified by the idea. No one should shop in their own closet unless they are rich and their closet is huge, in which case, they can probably still afford to shop outside their closet anyway. For the rest of us, this is just a fancy way of saying, “Wear the same clothes you’ve been wearing for the past 10 years.” I admire the sentiment, but it’s precisely this kind of workmanlike thrift that could suck all the joy out of magazine reading.

In all honesty, these articles have made me want to buy these magazines. I’d rather learn how to do more with the clothes I already have, due to the fact that buying them means I already like them.  Instead, I just went with a book on how to do vintage with some pizazz, something I had down in the past, but have lost a little of the touch for, and could use some pushing.  People complain about resale prices, but they’re still half of what you’d pay for new stuff, except maybe at Cream Vintage, and it’s often much more unique an item.  And there’s always thrift stores and garage sales. 

But what’s really depressing is that even as the rest of the fashion industry is taking a huge hit, Ugg boots are still selling like hotcakes. Feministe and Jezebel are reporting on this disturbing problem.  It appears that many women, given the choice between decent clothes that flatter and perhaps will last you awhile and a pair of shitty boots that flatter no one and are beginning to be the official uniform of the desperate and insecure, will pick the latter every time.  According to Jezebel, the Ugg situation has reached emergency levels.

Last November, Ugg opened its first standalone store in Europe, inside a West London luxury mall. The Chicago Tribune reported on December 22 that an area Nordstrom was entirely quiet, except for the shoe department, where Uggs are sold. Racked snapped a picture of shoppers lined up outside the SoHo store on December 24, waiting for it to open. Although initially investors nervous about the retail sector let share prices for Deckers Outdoor Corp. fall to less than $50 in late November, the company’s performance has been stellar by every other measure. Earnings and revenues are up from 2007. People are still buying the damn things.

At least tulip mania resulted in tulips, which are attractive flowers.  No one wins when you put on a pair of Ugg boots.  This is particularly true if you pair the Ugg boots with anything from the Pink line at Victoria’s Secret.  (Reports from the Houston bad fashion spotting field indicate that a college-aged woman with 5 pounds of make-up on was wearing knee-high lime green sweatpants with the word “Pink” written on the booty with Ugg boots and a hairdo that must have taken an hour to do.  This waste of the beauty of youth shouldn’t go unmourned.)  It would be simpler and cheaper to wear a T-shirt asking for validation.  I see these outfits and I blame the patriarchy, for sure, because what other force has the power to break the will and self-respect of young women so thoroughly? 

Of course, part of the problem is the ugly shoes fad.  I won’t even say the comfortable shoes fad, because many examples of the footwear blight aren’t even that comfortable.  As they note at Jezebel, Uggs are easy to turn your ankle in, and turn your feet into a swamp that just can’t be comfortable.  I hear that Crocs are comfortable, but they look weird and flimsy to me, like you couldn’t walk very far in them.  (More field reports indicate that someone had the gall to show up at Emo’s wearing both a popped collar and Crocs, all at once.  Witnesses blamed the fact that What Made Milwaukee Famous was playing, which is the sort of thing that attracts the wrong element to your club.)  Couldn’t a sneaker be a reasonable substitute?  But let’s face it, the trend really started when people started to wear flip-flops everywhere, and shoe stores actually started to sell flip flops specifically to be worn with jeans or even dress flip-flops.  Flip flops are ugly and uncomfortable, and the only seeming advantage is that you don’t have to bend over and tie your shoes.  Which is why they’re appropriate for sliding on to run to the dumpster, or to wear between your hotel and the beach that is 15 feet away.  But if you’re going to walk any further than that, the effort you expend at trying to walk in the damn things, much less keep them on your feet, has to exceed the effort you put into tying your shoes. 

So, we’ve learned that ugly shoes are recession-proof.  Why remains a mystery. Still, I’d caution against investing, because while ugly shoes have been a baffling and dominant trend for more than a decade now, there’s always a chance that the nation will wake up and collectively realize, “Hey, ugly shoes are ugly!” and boom!  It’ll all be over.  Other inexplicably ugly trends hung in for years, only to be suddenly rejected all at once by the nation.  The perm plus spraying your bangs into the sky was the Ugg boot of the late 80s/early 90s, and then it seemed in 1992, the last hangers-on all of a sudden had straight hair and no bangs at all.  It will happen, and it will feel sudden.  It’s just a matter of when. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 02:11 PM • (170) Comments

Uggs (and a piece of shit boyfriend) will get you killed, man.

Comment #1: mir  on  01/15  at  02:22 PM

I like Crocs for walking in the jungle in the rainy season (http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f211/sfrazi2/100_2070.jpg?t=1232040130).

Of course, I’m mostly a sandal man in the summer because I believe in comfort and practicality. Ugg boots baffle me. Especially in Austin. In the summer.

Comment #2: Samwise  on  01/15  at  02:27 PM

I’m LMAO over this because I got a pair of Uggs for Christmas and I love love them.  And I was just thinking this morning that part of the reason I love them is that they’re like flip-flops for the winter.

In my defense, they’re not the schlumpy ones - they have laces and structure - and I don’t have a whole lot of choice for boots because of my enormous feet, but they’re very, very comfortable. And very warm.  Which sneakers are not when it’s 10 degrees out.

I understand, and don’t disagree with your point, Amanda. But the timing of your post made me laugh.

Comment #3: Pansy P  on  01/15  at  02:28 PM

The funny thing about the Ugg boots is how overpriced they are.

Two years ago you could get those mukluks for $60 (a decent price, being as they’re a few seams and less leather than a real shoe).

But now they’re $200 bucks.  They’re slippers.  They aren’t worth $200 bucks.  I could make some at home for less than that.

...And I probably will…

Comment #4: Crissa  on  01/15  at  02:34 PM

I’d like to see you do a post - with pictures - where you tell us what kinds of shoes are appropriate.  You clearly have strong feelings about footware, but you’re always casting it in the negative - no to this, no to that. I’m completely and totally serious - not snarking you (though maybe teasing a little). For purposes of full disclosure, I agree with you about the Uggs, disagree about the flip flops and shame-facedly confess to owning a pair of Crocs (They were a gift! I only wear them to do yard work!).

Comment #5: chingona  on  01/15  at  02:34 PM

Are you kidding? Flip-flops are brilliant. You can wear them everywhere in summer heat and your feet don’t turn into pools of sweat.

Comment #6: felagund  on  01/15  at  02:35 PM

Amanda wrote:

I see these outfits and I blame the patriarchy, for sure, because what other force has the power to break the will and self-respect of young women so thoroughly?

Nope, not this time!  We ain’t responsible for getting women to wear those things, ‘cause they sure don’t turn us on.  This one’s on you!

Comment #7: Dana  on  01/15  at  02:37 PM

I adore flip flops.  I run with my dog in flip flops.  I worked hard in college so I could move somewhere where I can wear them all year round.  You can pry my Rainbows from my cold, dead feet.

I also have hyperhydrosis, so my feet need constant air.  In regular shoes, and even some sandals like Chacos, my feet practically melt.  Ain’t so comfortable.

I will say, though, that I would probably wear the pair of Uggs I had (because some girl I didn’t know left them in my car when I was DD’ing back in South Bend) if I still lived there.  Winter in the Midwest overrules any fashion choice.

Comment #8: alli  on  01/15  at  02:41 PM

YAY FINALLY someone has written at least a part of the deep hatred I feel toward those horrid things.
And Crocs- ? Great if you work in a kitchen or in a garden- bad to just wear around on the street.

They’re the “failure pile in a sadness bowl” (reference to the KFC Bowls from Patton Oswalt) of fashion.
What’s next- Zubaz making a comeback? NOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Plus- they’re suede- I hate suede because it turns to shit in water/rain/any sort of precipitation. Guess what it does in Seattle pretty much ALL the time?

Comment #9: Danica Lefse Queen  on  01/15  at  02:43 PM

Flip-flops are not shoes. End of story.

Comment #10: another Oakland Resident  on  01/15  at  02:45 PM

Samwise: You pretend that the “comfort and practicality” of sandals are self-evident.  They are not.

Comment #11: gravitybear  on  01/15  at  02:47 PM

Amanda, you can rag on ugly shearling boots when you move to one of the states that is currently suffering through sub-zero temperatures.  Of COURSE they’re stupid and ugly and impractical if you live in Texas.  But I live in Minnesota, and they’re really warm, especially paired with SmartWool socks.  The lack of structure is particularly good for driving, since they don’t restrict my ankle movement at all, and they’re easy-on and easy-off when I’m going in and out.  I slide Superfeet insoles into them for arch support. 

They’re utterly impractical if it’s at all wet out.  I have completely different ugly boots for when it’s wet and slushy.  But for most of a Minnesota winter, it’s too cold to be at all wet, and these boots are perfect for my needs.

(What annoys me immensely: for some reason, Simple quit making their really nice Ugg knock-offs, or if they still make them, I can’t find them anywhere.  I tried the Cabela knock-offs but they’re too narrow and feel flimsy.  I can’t find a good substitute anywhere, and I would really rather not pay for Uggs.)

Comment #12: Naomi  on  01/15  at  02:50 PM

I have a pair of Croc flip-flops.  I’m guessing that puts me first against the wall come the footwear revolution, no?

Comment #13: wobblie  on  01/15  at  02:53 PM

Yeah, that’s great.  I still don’t see why not pay the same money for sturdier boots, but the main issue is that they’re wildly popular in California, Texas, and other places where it’s just ridiculous. 

Rule of blogging: If the post is not about you, it’s not about you.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/15  at  02:53 PM

+1 for flippidy-flops.

I luvs me some flip-flops and I have particularly sweaty feet so more air on the feet is a definite plus for me.

I dunno about the ugg boots…but I have to admit that I kind of find the ugg boots + leggings + skirt combo kinda cute on women…*ducks*.

*ahem* But I do agree that seeing everyone in a pair is humorous. During my college days I used to try to count the number of women I’d see wearing ugg boots, leggings, a skirt, and a North Face Denali fleece jacket.

Comment #15: Gozer  on  01/15  at  02:53 PM

gravitybear: 10,000 years of humans using them on every continent suggests that there may be something to the idea.

Comment #16: Samwise  on  01/15  at  02:54 PM

I see these outfits and I blame the patriarchy, for sure, because what other force has the power to break the will and self-respect of young women so thoroughly?

Native human stupidity, which doesn’t (this time) require the patriarchy. People can get stupidly competitive over ludicrous things, not all of which are inspired by the patriarchy.

I’d agree if we were talking impossible heels, or silly pointy toes, or anything else with at least some potential sexual connotation. I think that I speak for the vast majority of my gender when I say that it’s almost impossible to find bright pink clodhoppers sexy, particularly if they aren’t actually comfortable to wear. (Obvious sexual connotations can be sexy, unless they’re exaggerated to the point of farce. Comfortable can also be sexy, for those of us who are more turned on by the person inside the clothes than by the clothes themselves. I just can’t see how goofy-looking AND uncomfortable can possibly be interesting, although I’ve read Dan Savage for too long to rule out the possibility of a pink clodhopper fetish.)

I suppose it could by patriarchy-by-proxy—that is, women are used to being forced to wear ludicrous clothes for male approval, so if that habit gets detached from its original source they could just start wearing ludicrous clothes for no obvious reason…

Comment #17: Llelldorin  on  01/15  at  02:55 PM

I don’t like Crocs or Uggs, but I do like slip-on sneakers.

The fact that they are ugly-as-sin doesn’t matter to me in the LEAST.  They go on my feet, why should I give a shit? 

I don’t think this is a patriarchy thing.  I think you have a better case with high-heels as being tools of the patriarchy, and most women I know like those things (even feminists).  And they are less comfortable, practical, and useful than flip-flops, but hey; nice lines and make your ass look good.

Comment #18: Antigone  on  01/15  at  02:59 PM

given the choice between decent clothes that flatter and perhaps will last you awhile and a pair of shitty boots that flatter no one

So Uggs are the Doc Martens of the 21st century?

And sorority girls were wearing Uggs with JUICY spelled out across their butts at least six years ago.

Comment #19: Hector B.  on  01/15  at  03:00 PM

Next up: why the heck to people wear those hideous black-and-white houndstooth coats?

Comment #20: Tyro  on  01/15  at  03:03 PM

Crocs are great for gardening, because you can just hose the damn things down when you’re done. I would not be seen anywhere else in them, though, and Uggs are just unspeakably foul.

Also, leave it to me to lose a lot of weight during a recession, thus rendering my clothing unwearable, and making shopping my closet pointless.

Comment #21: Bella  on  01/15  at  03:04 PM

So Uggs are the Doc Martens of the 21st century?

Speak for yourself. Docs last forever, and are comfortable and practical. They’re all I’ll wear, and—not that it’s about my approval—but I think women look hot in them.

Comment #22: mothworm  on  01/15  at  03:06 PM

I agree that Uggs are quite possibly the ugliest shoe ever made and I hate them.  However, the foot of snow and high temperature of 4 degrees Fahrenheit outside are really causing me to reconsider my opinion of that.  Especially as I have to walk to work this evening and my regular boots are just not warm enough (but they are really, really cute and professional looking—why can’t affordable, pretty shoes that look nice with pants or a skirt and are also practical for the midwestern winter, with the emphasis on affordable, be made available to me?).

That said, I love sandals.  I don’t care for flip flops, as I also find them difficult to walk in, but you can have my toe ring thongs with the wide strap across the foot when you pry them from my cold, dead feet.  I wear those constantly during the warm months.

Comment #23: ks  on  01/15  at  03:07 PM

Don’t be hating on the Doc Martens. Uggs are not fit to lick the heel of Doc Martens.

Comment #24: chingona  on  01/15  at  03:08 PM

this uggs thing is weird. I, too, thought it was a fad ten years ago but its definitely popping up, or trickling down, to a lower social /ecnomic sphere ie teenage girls and even younger. I don’t get it. I also don’t get the way their mothers think its a “well made” shoe well worth the price. FTW the wall street journal actually ran a news piece on shaving a bit off your highest high heels to make them “more comfortable” (you can do up to 1/2 inch apparently) with the implication that in this economy you can’t just run out and buy another pair of shoes just because you are in agony.

aimai

Comment #25: aimai  on  01/15  at  03:09 PM

Crocs are actually comfortable and durable.  I was on my feet in them all day when I worked as a line cook/waiter and I probably walked about 7-10 miles a day in them.  And then, when the woman to whom I am married and I went to the hospital to have Baby Flagg, I noticed that 75% of the nursing staff was wearing Crocs.  If nurses wear them, they gotta be comfortable and walkable, right?

Comment #26: Ethan Flagg  on  01/15  at  03:13 PM

Uggs are an overpriced, over-hyped LL Bean slipper and make every woman look like a Shetland pony.

Comment #27: ellenbrenna  on  01/15  at  03:18 PM

Re: nurses and Crocs.

My sister-in-law is a CNA in a hospital. She works 12-hour shifts. She would not be without her Crocs at work, but she carries them to work in a bag because she won’t be seen on the street wearing them.

Comment #28: chingona  on  01/15  at  03:21 PM

Gotta disagree Dana.

I think they’re kinda sexy.

Boots in general, including these.

Boots with a short skirt.
Boots with a long skirt.
Boots with jeans tucked in.
Boots with a skirt with just the knees showing.
Boots with laces.
Boots with zippers.
Slip on Boots.
Western Boots.

All sexy.

My wife and daughters say boots are comfortable too
(admit they don’t wear ones with really high heels).
Seems like a win win.

Comment #29: Libertarian  on  01/15  at  03:21 PM

Speak for yourself. Docs last forever, and are comfortable and practical. They’re all I’ll wear, and—not that it’s about my approval—but I think women look hot in them.

A-fucking-men, sister (brother?).  I bought me a pair of Docs like 8 years ago and they’re still going strong (although I’ve replaced the laces a few times).  Probably the best shoe-investment I’ve ever made.

Amanda, you can rag on ugly shearling boots when you move to one of the states that is currently suffering through sub-zero temperatures.  Of COURSE they’re stupid and ugly and impractical if you live in Texas.  But I live in Minnesota, and they’re really warm, especially paired with SmartWool socks.

Dude, this is like Amanda complaining about SUV drivers in southern cities and then you arguing that they’re great for driving in Alaska.  That’s not the fucking point.  Some SUVs, and some hideous boots, have practical value.  But then suddenly they’re turned into fashion for no apparent reason.  I live in Columbus, OH, and yeah we get some snow, and sure it gets kinda cold over the winter, but on the OSU campus women wear Victoria’s Secret sweat pants and Uggs ALL YEAR ROUND.  I am not lying to you.  And when it rains, they wear those sweats with PINK across the ass and rubber boots.  Yeah, they wear fucking wellies.  In Ohio.  In a major city in Ohio.  You cannot say this is rooted in any kind of practicality if college girls in Ohio and Texas wear Uggs and wellies year round.

Comment #30: Denise  on  01/15  at  03:21 PM

Seconding the idea that people who don’t experience winter don’t get to talk shit about snowboots. I have a somewhat sturdier, but still Ugg-like pair of boots this year, and it’s like a revelation. I can feel my toes! Like every day even!

Yesterday I dug my car out of 27 inches of snow. TWENTY SEVEN. In -14 degree weather. I do not care what my feet look like when I do this. I care that I HAVE feet when I’m done. 

Added bonus—they take one minute, rather than 15, to pry off my feet. And they’re already ugly, so I don’t care that they get wet/salt-stained/muddy.

If someone’s wearing Uggs in TX or CA, fine, mock away, because clearly these people do not know what temperature is. But the shoes themselves, well—there’s a reason for ‘em.

Comment #31: Well, what?  on  01/15  at  03:22 PM

Ugg boots and all the iterations of Ugg footwear are hideous. Shapeless, lumpy, and altogether inappropriate with a mini skirt on an 89-degree day (I have witnessed this). Cold winters are no excuse for the Ugg lumpiness. Me, I swear by my Merrell shoes and boots. Waterproof suede (I think) + sheepskin lining = toasty warm. And Merrells have footbeds designed to be comfortable and supportive and otherwise good for the feet. Those Uggs look to have just a flat and useless sole, like slippers. Which may be fine for around the house, but for more walking, you can’t go wrong with Merrells (unless you have moral objections to leather/sheepskin). Look for any Merrells with “Chill” in the model name, and those babies will keep your feet warm in all but subarctic weather (it was 2 degrees this morning, and my feet were quite content in the boots).

Crocs are ugly. Plus the soft rubbery material they’re made of can get pinched in an escalator, trapping the foot. Danger + ugly = enough reason to shun them. Most of my footwear would be described as ugly by my sister, but at least they pose no danger to me.

Comment #32: Orange  on  01/15  at  03:25 PM

I feel kinda bad admitting this, but I love my Uggs.  To me they really are comfy and super warm.  And…yeah I even like the way I look in them.

So, I hope my love for a particularly (and seemingly, universally) loathed brand of footwear doesn’t make me somehow less feminist.

I won’t even mention my dozen or so different pairs of flip-flops.

Comment #33: Monica  on  01/15  at  03:26 PM

hey texas,

it was -20 without a windchill for my walk to work this morning.  stop hating.  sometimes its cold and when its cold, i don’t care what i look like, i care about not getting frostbite.  are you going to make fun of my oh so ugly, but oh so warm, blaze orange stocking cap next?

love,

south dakota.

Comment #34: jenawesome  on  01/15  at  03:27 PM

you can’t go wrong with Merrells ...Most of my footwear would be described as ugly by my sister, but at least they pose no danger to me.

No joke, my boss was crossing Michigan Avenue in Chicago when the steel eyehooks on her Merrells got interlocked. She face-planted, breaking a tooth, and was then hit by a car.

Comment #35: Well, what?  on  01/15  at  03:27 PM

I meant to add, she’s fine now. But will never wear Merrells again.

Comment #36: Well, what?  on  01/15  at  03:28 PM

...everything but the time-honored strategy of buying secondhand.  (Please do not peddle this, fashion magazines.  Pickings are already slim for us long-standing resale shoppers.)

Secondhand stuff rocks, especially if you’re handy and can freshen it up.

My sister is the world’s champion at secondhand clothes buying. She can waltz into Goodwill or a Salvation Army outlet, pick up a blazer for $5, redo the trim and buttons, and she’ll look like she just walked out of DKNY or Versace. People have literally stopped her on the street to ask where she bought outfits that she redid that way.

When she lived on the Upper East Side of New York, almost all of the neighbors in her apartment building were filthy rich (her place was rent-subsidized). People would throw out the most amazing stuff—clothing, shoes and sneakers that were pretty much brand new.

Comment #37: Bitter Scribe  on  01/15  at  03:28 PM

I hope nobody is considering getting Uggs for use in the snow, because the material does NOT wear well when wet.  I have a pair and I’m not ashamed of it.  I like wearing them around the house because my feet are always freezing and they do the trick to keep me warm.  I also hate shoes with laces because I have a weird thing where I can’t stand it if one foot feels tighter than the other and eventually I got sick of constantly tying and re-tying trying to make things perfectly even.  So my sneaks are velcro Pumas, but I don’t always feel like wearing them, either.  Uggs work well if I’m walking the dog in the cold, running to the grocery store, etc.  I don’t care if people disapprove of them but I’m telling you, they are NOT for the snow!!

Comment #38: SarahMC  on  01/15  at  03:33 PM

Man, it is -1 farenheit where I’m at. I wish I had a pair of uggs right now. Maybe I could just strap some sheep to my feet in the meanwhile.

I love flipflops when it’s warm. I have very wide feet, so assuming I can find flips that fit, they’re great for just walking around in. My feet feel so free. I especially love walking to the beach with them, where I can kick them off, carry them while I walk through the surf, and put them back on and not worry about sand in my shoes. Oh, flip flops, how I love you for casual events.

Comment #39: Brigid Keely  on  01/15  at  03:35 PM

“If someone’s wearing Uggs in TX or CA, fine, mock away, because clearly these people do not know what temperature is.”

I live not just in SoCal, but a hot part of SoCal and I can tell you even my daughter has told me how disgusting the Uggs + warm weather thing is.  It’s 70 outside now and I bet there are a bunch of girls at her school wearing them today.  Imagine the sweaty swamp they must be when the weather’s 100+...  (and I’ve seen them warm in that weather too)

Of course, besides being ugly and of little use in warm climes, the other reason I have an undying enmity toward Uggs is that Limbaugh (at least he use to) hocks the shit out of them.

Yes, advertisers, there are positive brand endorsements, but there are negative ones too…

Comment #40: MikeEss  on  01/15  at  03:35 PM

Celine Dione, Tom Green, Crocs…

When will you southern North Americans realise that THEY are messing with you *deliberately*?

Comment #41: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  01/15  at  03:37 PM

I was with you until you started dogging on the flipflops. If I could get away with teaching in them, I would.

Comment #42: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  01/15  at  03:38 PM

Phoenician, I’ve figured Canucks hate us for a long time, but they’re so passive/aggressive it’s kind hard to tell…

Comment #43: MikeEss  on  01/15  at  03:41 PM

Seconding the idea that people who don’t experience winter don’t get to talk shit about snowboots.

We do if people are wearing them in the middle of fucking summer, which is what they do here in Los Angeles.  I can’t even imagine the pool of sweat your feet must be if you’re walking around in Uggs when it’s 100 degrees out. 

If you want to wear snowboots in the snow, knock yourself out.  If you want to wear snowboots to the mall in July, prepare to be mocked.

Comment #44: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  03:43 PM

I’m from California, and I wear Uggs. I grew up in a surfing community in Southern California, and they’re more originally surfer shoes. They keep your feet warm, but not sweltering. In warmer temperatures, the sheepskin acts like slight air conditioning and wicks away sweat.  (what do you mean “turn your feet into a swamp?” You must be doing it wrong.)

They are comfortable. I honestly don’t care what other cranky women think about them being ugly. Sure, they’re not Manolos or whatever the heck crazy women teeter around in. (You can “turn your ankle” in Uggs? Gee, I’ve never heard of anyone doing that in heels!). I don’t run my life based on what shallow judgmental women think of me. They’re practical, they’re comfortable, they’re sturdy as heck (5+ years of constant abuse) and I ADORE my tall pink Uggs (which are unfortunately no longer manufactured!).

I love this blog, mostly, but then I read petty stuff like this, and it makes me lose some respect for the place. What is it about women bloggers ending up back yapping about shoes like it’s the “Don’t Wear This” page of People magazine?

Comment #45: Brody  on  01/15  at  03:45 PM

I’ve had my Uggs since 1995. They were a gift from an ex, and of all of the shoes and clothes I own, I’ve owned my Uggs the longest. Mine are the “original” kind, though….no foam waffle soles, mine are hard and stitched to the bottom of the boot. They were nearly $400 when I got them, and that was back when I and my friends made far less than we do now. They may be ugly to some of you, but in the interest of making things last and not buying new shit every day, my Uggs have outlasted a marriage, several jobs, and more houses and apartments than I can count.

Slainte.

Comment #46: Auntie  on  01/15  at  03:46 PM

are you going to make fun of my oh so ugly, but oh so warm, blaze orange stocking cap next?

If you insist on wearing it in the middle of August?  Yes.  Yes, we will.

Love,
California

Comment #47: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  03:46 PM

We do if people are wearing them in the middle of fucking summer, which is what they do here in Los Angeles.

That would be why I said:

“If someone’s wearing Uggs in TX or CA, fine, mock away, because clearly these people do not know what temperature is.”

Comment #48: Well, what?  on  01/15  at  03:49 PM

I don’t run my life based on what shallow judgmental women think of me.

Uh, it’s not just us horrible shallow judgmental women.  My husband’s snickering at you behind your back, too, because wearing suede boots when it’s 100 degrees out makes you look like a moron who has no idea how to dress for warm weather.  Double if (as is the case 90 percent of the time) you’re a teenage girl wearing sweatpants and Uggs at the mall.

At this point, an adult wearing Uggs in California makes you look like you’re desperately clinging to your youth and trying to look “hip” and “cool” like all of the junior high school girls.  I make fun of all of the women out here who wear their daughter’s clothes in the hope that people might think they’re still young.

Comment #49: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  03:50 PM

“In warmer temperatures, the sheepskin acts like slight air conditioning and wicks away sweat.”

...well that must explain the popularity of sheepskin drawers in the desert and the tropics…

Comment #50: MikeEss  on  01/15  at  03:53 PM

Uggs = Birkenstock for a different social set. Hideous and generally impractical. The appeal will fade though it may take 20 years (the Birkenstock corporate hq up the highway from me in Marin closed down a couple years ago).

Flip-flops: high end ones can be quite comfortable and will stay on your feet pretty well. Would I wear them on a hike? No. But every time I slip them on to go to the farmer’s market or whatever, they remind me of three things: 1) trips to the Big Island and 2) that I live in California 3) wherever I’m going, I don’t expect to rush, three things that make me very happy.

Doc Martins: hands down the best, most durable shoes I’ve ever worn (even better than Clark’s). I walk right through the soles of shoes in 6-9 months, but my DM’s have lasted 4 years with plenty more ahead. Even the leather still looks good if I polish them. And now they make dressier styles for work.

Sketchers: These invariably fall apart in 3 months or less. I will never buy these again.

Comment #51: CW  on  01/15  at  03:56 PM

I think I may be turning into a curmudgeon.  One of these days, I swear I’m going to go up to one of those 14-year-olds in a Dead Kennedys t-shirt, pinch his cheek, and say, “Isn’t that cute!  I used to listen to the Dead Kennedys when I was your age, too!”

I am turning 40 this year, so I guess I’m turning into an old fart right on schedule.

Comment #52: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  03:58 PM

I have been wearing UGGS since they were first in the US and they opened up a factory a couple blocks from my parents’ house.  This was in the early 90s.  I replaced my first pair sometime around 1998, and still have them.

But I don’t much wear them out of the house because I like them as slippers I can go outside with.

That said, those look mighty toasty right now ... even though I’m wearing a toasty slip-on shoe version from Technica as I type.

Comment #53: Ms Kate  on  01/15  at  04:00 PM

Libetratian:  Boots aren’t sexy; people are sexy, or not.  If a woman loos good, she’ll look good in Uggs or flip flops, stilettos or the old Dr Scholl’s wooden-soled sandals, dresses or bib overalls, dressed to the max or in slopping around clothes.

The only real external requirements are shampoo, soap and toothpaste.

Comment #54: Dana  on  01/15  at  04:07 PM

“Are you kidding? Flip-flops are brilliant. You can wear them everywhere in summer heat and your feet don’t turn into pools of sweat. “

No sweat, but lots of sidewalk filth. Flip flops in NYC were most puzzling, the sidewalks are disgusting, and you take off your shoes to reveal a blackened sole. Blackened by what, I shudder to think.

Also? In the workplace? I do not want to see that much of other people’s feet. Even well-kept feet. Which most people’s, I should say, are *not.* And the wondrous freedom of air moving around your flipflop carries your foot smell around when you’re in close quarters, my friend. Have a heart for the rest of us.

I hate barefoot-y shoes in general, though. Socks are wonderful things, they take care of sweat and allow me not to have to get pedicures. I don’t wear sandals unless I’m actually going swimming.

Comment #55: emjaybee  on  01/15  at  04:09 PM

loos = looks.  Sometimes I think I should change my name to Dana, King of Typos.

Comment #56: Dana  on  01/15  at  04:10 PM

Eh, I realize that these posts are 98% cutesy tongue-in-cheek, but I second the folks who decry the hating. I love this blog, and I love Amanda, but if I only wore / ate / listened to the very, very few things that Amanda deems acceptable, I’d go insane and frankly, the “Only dolts do X” posts sound VERY young to me. And that makes me feel old.

And on a slightly more pearl-clutching note, I don’t much like mocking people for personal preferences like music, footwear, and so on. If they are happy, what does it matter? It’s pretty damned feminist to be able to wear ugly shoes you deem comfortable than to force your feet into the stilettos that the patriarchy demands. I applaud young women wearing “ugly shoes” - shows they care more about THEIR tastes than about attracting the right man. (See for example, Dana, who insists that boots don’t turn him on, although I realize I’m taking you out of context here, Dana, sorry.)

Oh, and yeah, I don’t have to read the posts. I usually don’t. I’m only posting this to rub it in the trolls face, the next time they belly-ache that everyone who disagrees with Amanda is banned. smile

Comment #57: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  04:11 PM

I think that the comfort of flip-flops varies from person to person. My boyfriend can’t walk in them, but to me, they’re the most comfortable thing ever. I agree that they might be kind ugly, but I’ll also fess up that I don’t really give a shit. I don’t wear them much anymore, mostly because my feet are hideous and I refuse to do anything about it, out of laziness and cheapness.

I find crocs fuck-ugly, but I’m willing to consider that maybe I’ve just internalized the meme that they’re the most abhorrent footwear ever designed. From what I hear, they’re comfortable, which is more than I can say for the vintage cowboy boots I wear all the time.

I can definitely understand getting snide about someone’s fashion choices, but in the end, I don’t really think there’s any accounting for taste. I think Uggs are cute. I don’t own any, but I owned a pair of boots that were similar before, and I loved them.

Comment #58: Jenny Dreadful  on  01/15  at  04:11 PM

I’ve owned many a pair of sandals that weren’t any easier to walk in than flip-flops and that also scraped skin off my foot or ankle.  I never have that problem with flip-flops.  So, if it’s summer and I’m not going anywhere special, I have no compunction about wearing them.  Sorry to anyone who can’t stand the sight of my very well-cared-for feet, but if you don’t like it, don’t look at them.

Comment #59: keshmeshi  on  01/15  at  04:20 PM

I must live in a fashion-retarded area, because I’ve never seen anyone wearing either Crocs or Uggs in public. Maybe I’m fortunate, or maybe I just need to get out more. I agree both are hideous. Flip flops I have seen, and have no problem with. Some are very nice looking and some are very comfortable, especially in hot weather. They suck in the rain, though.

My theory about Uggs, based on the description of the sort of clothes people are wearing with them, is that it’s an unfortunate attempt to revisit 80s fashion. Anyone else here remember the godawful Moon Boots fad of the late 70s - early 80s? They were just as fugly. Not bad if you were a kid romping in the snow, but they looked downright stupid when worn by teens/adults in any other context, which some sadly did. Sound familiar?

It’s funny, I grew up in the 80s, and I remember thinking back then that 80s fashions were cool (I later came to my senses) and resenting the way late 60s - early 70s fashion flashbacks were pushed on my generation. Now they’re doing the same thing to the next generation, only with OUR ugly-ass fashion disasters. God(s) help us all.

Comment #60: vervain  on  01/15  at  04:20 PM

“an adult wearing Uggs in California makes you look like you’re desperately clinging to your youth and trying to look “hip” and “cool” like all of the junior high school girls.  I make fun of all of the women out here who wear their daughter’s clothes in the hope that people might think they’re still young. “

I think your mockery and perceived judgment of their motives says a LOT more about you, than it does about them.

As stated above in my original post, I don’t care what cranky women think about me. I wear them because I like them and because I’m comfortable in them and they work for me. I can’t IMAGINE caring about the opinion of some bitter, judgmental woman trying to mock me and place motives on me that are untrue…. because you know what? I’m happy being who I am. I’m happy wearing what I want. I love life, I love California, I love my Uggs. (Although, good lord no I won’t wear them in 90-degree weather! They ‘air condition’ to about 80 degrees and then become impractical…THEN I PULL OUT THE FLIP-FLOPS. Heh heh.)

Are YOU happy, Ms. Judging-people-on-the-internet Mnemosyne? What is it about your life that makes you so miserable that you must take out your aggression, and place these motives, on others? What’s the old saying about “we judge that what we fear most in ourselves”?

Comment #61: Brody  on  01/15  at  04:25 PM

I’ll also suggest that you cannot tell if a person is desperate, stupid, or generally an idiot based on what kind of shoes they wear. I don’t see why anyone would get themselves so worked up about what kind of shoes somebody wants to wear to the grocery store.

Comment #62: Jenny Dreadful  on  01/15  at  04:30 PM

thank you, thank you, thank you for the bit about flip-flops. i recently moved from san francisco to san diego and it’s like a flip-flop epidemic out here! no one gets it… sigh. now i know i’m not alone in my hatred of their supposed all-purposfulness.

Comment #63: steph  on  01/15  at  04:31 PM

I think your mockery and perceived judgment of their motives says a LOT more about you, than it does about them.

I’ll also suggest that you cannot tell if a person is desperate, stupid, or generally an idiot based on what kind of shoes they wear. I don’t see why anyone would get themselves so worked up about what kind of shoes somebody wants to wear to the grocery store.

Quoted for truth.

Also, what’s with the hating on bare feet? Didn’t we JUST go through this with hose, only in the other direction? It’s okay for our legs to be bare and people who think it’s ugly (I don’t shave) or salacious can STFU, but the same people think that bare feet are ugly and we’re supposed to sacrifice our comfort for their market-driven manicured desires? Nu-uh. smile

Comment #64: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  04:33 PM

Flip flops are ugly and uncomfortable, and the only seeming advantage is that you don’t have to bend over and tie your shoes.

Gah! As a native Southern Californian I can tell how absolutely awesome flip-flops are. They’re only a pain if you need to walk quickly, which, you know, doesn’t really come up a lot on the beaches of SoCal. I lived in Berkeley for about five months before I realized that I couldn’t keep wearing flip-flops all winter; it broke my heart.

In high school a few of my water polo teammates suggested that the whole team buy matching Uggs. Not that I wasn’t alienated enough by being on the water polo team and not having rich parents, but I also got funny looks when I pointed out that, as a vegan, I’d have to opt out.

Comment #65: Rebecca C.  on  01/15  at  04:35 PM

I also got funny looks when I pointed out that, as a vegan, I’d have to opt out.

Maybe they were wondering why you would want to eat your shoes. smile

(Kidding, that’s a dig at our education system, not a dig at vegans or people who won’t wear animal products.)

Comment #66: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  04:41 PM

I guess what it comes down to, for me, is I don’t care if someone thinks that a particular type of shoes or pants or whatever is ugly, but when you start ascribing malicious intent to the wearer of the item of clothing you find distasteful, then it gets a little ridiculous.

Comment #67: Jenny Dreadful  on  01/15  at  04:43 PM

The only shoes I’ve found a dislike for are clogs- a slip on style of shoe that appears to be rather flimsy (considering I always see people walking around in ones that are falling apart)

We have a dress code at my school and clogs used to be banned, but since there were so many that wore them anyway, the school decided to allow them. Now, I usually don’t care what other people wear, but clogs are an exception for me. The girls that wear them always shuffle slowwly down the hallway, which isn’t so great when you’re trying to hurry to class. (If you’re late, you get a detention)

It also seems the girls wear them even when there is snow on the ground. (I live in Ohio) It sort of baffles me, because it’s almost like wearing sandals in the winter.

Comment #68: Khar  on  01/15  at  04:54 PM

You pretend that the “comfort and practicality” of sandals are self-evident.  They are not.

Maybe not self-evident or practical, but research has shown that prolonged wearing of shoes contorts the feet and can lead to a host of muscular imbalances.  Unless you’re engaged in a high-impact activity, arch support and the like is (barring exceptional cases) a red haerring.  Sandals are the next best thing to going barefoot.

Comment #69: Ginger Joe  on  01/15  at  04:56 PM

Sorry, but my UGG clogs are perfect for winter in California (I buy the children’s size, online, for half-price.) Not good for walking long distance, but perfect, temperature wise.

I have a narrow heel, so closed shoes fall off the back of my foot: I’m mostly stuck with tie sneakers, fitted boots, mules, clogs and flip flops.

I agree that those Croc “moccasins” are ugly, too ugly even to make up for the comfort level—BUT the Croc Athens flip flop is genius comfy, and very attactive. (I get compliments!)

I can walk almost as long in them as in high tech sneakers, athletic, running shoes, etc. (which are unbearably ugly, in my opinion.)

However, I think the UGG boots are waaaay over-priced, so when I started working outside this winter and needed to upgrade beyond sheepskin lined clogs (and fuzzy socks)  to a sheepskin boot I found an UGG equivalent LAMO—bought online for $60.

Comment #70: judy brown  on  01/15  at  04:58 PM

I would just like to say that I am very, very glad that on my planet, no one gives a good goddamn what kind of shoe you wear, or anything else about your clothing choices except that if you are wearing clothing that is obviously completely impractical because you want to look sexy, we will feel sorry for you.

I wish the spaceship would come back and get me. I’m sick of living on this planet with judgemental loons who think it’s appropriate to try to figure out what people are thinking and feeling, usually in a very negative way, based on what kind of *footgear* they buy.

Personally, I wouldn’t buy Uggs, ‘cause I don’t like the way they look. But what someone else wants to put on their *own* feet is their own business.

Comment #71: Alara Rogers  on  01/15  at  05:04 PM

frankly, the “Only dolts do X” posts sound VERY young to me.

Yeah, that’s how they come off to me too. I’ve seen people start doing this sort of thing when they are very concerned about having just turned 30, for example, or in some rare cases, even 40.

Just want to clarify that I am not saying that’s what Amanda’s motivation is - remember, if a comment isn’t about you, it isn’t about you, and besides, I’m not even sure how old Amanda is so I don’t know if that would even apply to her in the first place.

But I agree with your general assessment of these kinds of posts.

Comment #72: spence-bob  on  01/15  at  05:04 PM

Feministe and Jezebel are reporting on this disturbing problem.

It’s late breaking and important fashion news that keeps us all coming back.

What a disturbing problem!!

Comment #73: INTPagan  on  01/15  at  05:05 PM

It’s funny, I grew up in the 80s, and I remember thinking back then that 80s fashions were cool (I later came to my senses) and resenting the way late 60s - early 70s fashion flashbacks were pushed on my generation. Now they’re doing the same thing to the next generation, only with OUR ugly-ass fashion disasters. God(s) help us all.

Hey!  Our ugly ass fashion was and still is miles ahead of 70s ugly ass fashion.  In fact, if you discount the fact that mousse had just been invented and we went insane with the big hair and shoulder pad, the clothes made people look good and weren’t in avocado green/shit brown/orange color combos.

I’m so sick of that damn retro Prada pattern.

But seriously, we were out to breakfast a couple weeks ago, and here was this college girl, in a gray sweater dress with a giant collar, belted, wearing black leggings and strappy ankle boots.  She had her hair in a bob that slightly feathered.  1986!  Where have you been?

I wanted to tell her how to fix her make-up for the perfect effect, but then again, fairly often college women don’t wear makeup at all, so it wasn’t *that* big a deal.  I do kind of enjoy seeing clothes I used to own being sold again—even the earrings are back!

As for Uggs, my daughter’s preschool teacher was extolling the virtues of hers the other day.  Hers zip up the side, keep her warm, and fit, since she has teeeny feet, but big calves.  The knock-off neither fit as well nor keep her as warm, she says. 

It made me go hmmmm…

Flipflops with the thingy that goes between your toes?  Yuck.  My toes can’t abide that.  And while I like strappy sandals, I have very tiny toes, and an especially teeny baby toe.  That toe tends to slip out under a strap causing massive pain, no matter if the rest of the shoe has a good arch.

Shoes suck.  They are expensive or they hurt your feet.  Even if they are expensive, they can hurt your feet.

Comment #74: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  01/15  at  05:06 PM

Haha, a girl in one of my classes today was wearing a pair of lime green “pink” sweatpants tucked into a pair of brown Uggs. I understand that it’s cold outside, but Ugg boots look good on NO ONE. Why anyone would pay over $100 for instant kankles is a mystery to me, especially when there are so many pairs of warm, flattering, recession-friendly boots out there.

Comment #75: AW  on  01/15  at  05:15 PM

Uggs are far from the original, and the zip up the side cost nearly $300.  For $300 I can get zip up the side water proof oil proof toe protecting motorcycle boots.

Why would I pay $300 for a pair of mukluks with a zipper?

That’s why I mock Uggs.  Not because someone had sweaty feet in them.

Comment #76: Crissa  on  01/15  at  05:17 PM

dear south dakota, and ‘sotians, &c;,

there is no excuse for uggs, evah.

love, chicago.
(aka another “cranky” “bitter, judgmental woman”)

Comment #77: sk  on  01/15  at  05:17 PM

I bought myself a pair of black Ugg knockoffs called Emus for just the weather that’s outside right now—18 degrees. I take them off when I get to work and put on the dress shoes. And I’m very glad to own them for this weather.

What I don’t understand are the things women go through for fashion. I saw three—three!—twentysomething women in knee-length skirts, ballet slips and bare legs this morning on my way to the Metro. On a day where it is 18 degrees outside. How can you think that your goose-pimpled, red-mottled chill-blained legs look attractive?

Comment #78: lou  on  01/15  at  05:23 PM

correction: ballet slippers. which are one step above flip flops on the warmth scale.

Comment #79: lou  on  01/15  at  05:24 PM

Is it time, on a fashion thread, to ask the women here: do any of you think that men’s “shorts” that come down to mid-calf make the men wearing them look good?

Comment #80: Dana  on  01/15  at  05:29 PM

Those things bear a remarkable resemblence to my 6-year-old quasi-step-granddaughter’s snowboots, which are pink, also, but have a picture of Dora the Explorer on the side.  My qsgd’s boots are waterproof, good for sledding, and cost something like $29.95.

Comment #81: rea  on  01/15  at  05:33 PM

Our ugly ass fashion was and still is miles ahead of 70s ugly ass fashion.

This I do not deny.

I do find it funny to see the younger generation wearing our stuff, though. Reminds me I’m getting old, a realization that for some reason I greet with more amusement than chagrin.
I can’t wait to start telling them to get off my damn lawn.

Comment #82: vervain  on  01/15  at  05:34 PM

I have a pair of original Crocs (a gift but great for gardening and walking on Hawaiian beaches) and a pair of Croc Mary Janes that I bought when I didn’t bring practical shoes on a quick trip.  Living across the sound from Seattle I do own and constantly wear (this time of year) a pair of wellies.  But because my office is no shoe (I work in my bosses house) I’m always on the look out for something that’s easy to slip in and out of that is also appropriate for the bank, realtors’ and wherever else I have to go during the day.  I don’t own Uggs and probably won’t buy any cause I don’t like shoes that make my feet look 10 times bigger than they really are.  I’m 5 foot and have size 7-8 feet already no need to make me look like a Brats doll.

Comment #83: Amalink  on  01/15  at  05:35 PM

I’m part of the practical footwear brigade. If it pinches my toes, it’s out.

One thing is that I live in the land of mud rooms. A mud room, for people who live in more civilzed areas, is a small room (usually unheated) that is an entryway to the house where people take off their muddy shoes and boots so that they do not track mud into the rest of the house. In places like this, flip flops, crocs, merrills, and any other slip-on/slip-off shoe is really practical if you have friends.

I bought a pair of boots that look vaguely like the boots you’ve shown, no laces, slip/on, fuzzy inside, but they weren’t to my knowledge, Uggs. It wasn’t until later that I realized that they weren’t waterproof, either. So I hate them desperately. smile

Comment #84: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/15  at  05:43 PM

I think that the comfort of flip-flops varies from person to person. My boyfriend can’t walk in them, but to me, they’re the most comfortable thing ever.

I can’t walk in them, can’t bike in them, lose them in surf and river currents, get horrible blisters from them, etc.  I’m a teva devote’ myself.  Those are made for walking and kayaking and playing in surf.

Crocs?  Way too wide.

Of course, all is totally moot right now anyway, as the high temp for today was about -12C

Comment #85: Ms Kate  on  01/15  at  05:44 PM

People sure are touchy about what others think of their shoes.

Comment #86: The Other Will  on  01/15  at  05:53 PM

So Uggs are the Doc Martens of the 21st century?

Docs, besides being comfy, are sturdy, stylish and last for freekin’ ever. I have a pair of doc wingtips that are 8 years old. My Doc boots, which got me through the snow we had here in Oregon last month, are 5 years old and still look like new. How long would a pair of Uggs last in all that?

Also Docs don’t look like some hideous fungal infection is eating you from the big toe up, they just look like regular shoes or boots, unless you know to look for the stitching.

Comment #87: Keith  on  01/15  at  05:57 PM

Dear Chicago,

We wear Uggs here too.

Love,
Chicago.

Comment #88: Well, what?  on  01/15  at  05:57 PM

I eat poo. ‘s tasty.

Comment #89: DodgeRam  on  01/15  at  05:58 PM

i kept hoping that uggs would die out like,  five years ago in LA, but i’m surprised to see them still hanging on, although i will clarify that i see the highest ugg concentration in places like glendale and orange county and usually still on teenagers, so i have some hope that in civilized society, these are no longer acceptable.

as for those taking this WAY too personally, i suggest you lighten up.  it’s not “crankiness” that makes some fashion items abhorrent to a person but taste.  obviously no one is suggesting that you can actually always tell what a person is like based on her shoes, but let’s not pretend footwear is never a helpful hint.  like amanda’s egregious emo’s example—that guy with a popped collar and crocs is, let’s all face it, more than likely a douchebag.  that doesn’t mean if you happened to meet the guy and he turned out to in fact be perfectly nice, albeit sartorially misguided, that you should persist in thinking he’s a douche.  but realizing that without any other information, odds are, someone dressed that way is a dbag isn’t unfair.

Comment #90: chareth  on  01/15  at  06:06 PM

Boots in general, including these.
Boots with a short skirt.
Boots with a long skirt.
Boots with jeans tucked in.
Boots with a skirt with just the knees showing.
Boots with laces.
Boots with zippers.
Slip on Boots.
Western Boots.
All sexy.

Good lord Libertarian, you forgot the grandaddy of all boot kinks: chestnut leather riding boots over jodhpurs.

Comment #91: Sarcastro  on  01/15  at  06:16 PM

Alara, you’re a hoot. That was precisely what I was trying to say, but you had wit in yours. Take me to your planet! smile

Comment #92: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  06:23 PM

When I see Uggs I always think, “you’re feet must stink.” Part of that is because I suspect many don’t bother to wear socks and so the boot linings soak up all the funk and sweat, as opposed to a sock which can be washed routinely. The other reason I imagine they stink is because most of the Uggs I see are filthy on the outside. They’re scrunched down at the heel because the wearer couldn’t be bothered to pull the things all the way on. The fabric is nearly black from dirt. And don’t get me started on most wearers shuffling and scuffing along in them. Pick. Up. Your. Feet!

Flip flops are great but they wreck the skin on your feet and no amount of babying and care can keep it at bay—in my experience, your feet are never the same if you wear them to do much walking.

Comment #93: seventwentyfour  on  01/15  at  06:23 PM

Mukluks with a zipper?  You can get mukluks (from mukluks.com, from empirecanvasworks.com, Aif Force surplus) that are seriously warm for less than or about what you’d pay for Uggs.  They’re not that great-looking either but if you care what you look like it’s just not that cold.

Anyway, I’m a cold, snowy, rural place person and a dog musher and wouldn’t think of blowing money on Uggs.  They’re not that warm, not at all waterproof, and are made for fashion rather than function. 

[Kinda funny that with the magick of Google ad words I’m looking at two Uggs ads above this comment area]

Comment #94: Melinda  on  01/15  at  06:26 PM

sweetseventyfour—my husband said the exact same thing about Uggs. Watching someone walk around Philadelphia in August in a pair of Uggs brought to mind a degree of stink that cannot be fathomed by the imagination. Maybe Uggs are like a signal to people who have footstink fetishes?

Comment #95: Mighty Ponygirl  on  01/15  at  06:29 PM

I don’t see how the pro-Uggs in cold weather argument holds up considering there are less expesive, warm and more waterproof boots available for purchase.

Comment #96: Olivia  on  01/15  at  06:29 PM

Is it time, on a fashion thread, to ask the women here: do any of you think that men’s “shorts” that come down to mid-calf make the men wearing them look good?

Arrrggggg!!!  The damn basketball players are to blame. Those really longs shorts only look good on REALLY tall guys. Most guys aren’t tall enough to wear them, but the stores are full of them. It’s actually quite hard sometimes to find shorts that aren’t WAY TOO long and don’t look like some grandpa ought to be wearing them.

Comment #97: TomWinter  on  01/15  at  06:29 PM

so many people are missing the point that it seems deliberate. we don’t care about your snow. we don’t care if UGGs are useful. we care about the fools in TEXAS wearing them as a fashion statement. believe me, it’s common. that’s the point of the post. damn, y’all sucked all the humor out of it. i was all amused about the double lame whammy of popped collar plus crocs. see, here, these two respective looks are usually code for sorority chick and frat rat. ain’t nothin’ to do with winter in minnesota.

Comment #98: chibi  on  01/15  at  06:43 PM

I don’t know, I see a few posters from Minnesota claiming Uggs are great cold weather boots, but I don’t see too many people wearing things, not even the knock-offs, unless it’s at the MoA and they’re 15.  Most people, including myself, find well-fitting fur or fleece lined boots with some decent tread.
It’s not the snow that’ll kill you, it’s the ice.  I’m not going to get overpriced shoes I end up slip sliding away in.
I can’t imagine what would happen to Uggs when spring hits and it’s still cold enough to need boots, but the streets are soaked in freezing water and slush…

Comment #99: marteani  on  01/15  at  06:44 PM

What, Marteani - you’ve never seen Uggs with marks where the sidewalk salt leached up when the boots got wet and absorbed the slush/water?  It looks like a magical marble-y fungus.

Comment #100: Melinda  on  01/15  at  06:49 PM

If you want boots for winter get yourself to the Fleet Farm and get some -70 rated boots with rubber and leather all around the outside. They’re probably cheaper than Uggs, they stay dry, and they won’t make you look like a douche.

Comment #101: Entomologista  on  01/15  at  07:02 PM

really? you guys think doc martens are durable? i spent my teens years OBSESSED with docs, and finally got a pair. 6 months later, the leather had cracked where the toe box bends, and i couldn’t wear them if it was at all wet out. i finally broke down and got some frye campus boots, which i practically live in (the only problem is the leather soles; no traction, and at just a year and half old, already in the shop getting fresh soles).

and i will never understand how people do any amount of walking in flip flops. i get blisters just thinking about it. ouchie.

Comment #102: anonymous  on  01/15  at  07:06 PM

Crocs are great shoes for kids and old people. My elderly parents and my mother in law like them because they have great traction and are very comfy. I recommend them for any older person with feet problems or fears of falling. You can wear them in the shower. My daughter wears almost nothings else except snowboots. She swims in them in rocky waters. They’re not lovely, but why be snotty about a functional, economical shoe?

Comment #103: Elena  on  01/15  at  07:09 PM

Back on the rail, I take issue with this:

For the rest of us, this is just a fancy way of saying, “Wear the same clothes you’ve been wearing for the past 10 years.” I admire the sentiment, but it’s precisely this kind of workmanlike thrift that could suck all the joy out of magazine reading.

If I may be permitted a Green Living rant, and if I may also be permitted to pretend that this was posted seriously and not tongue-in-cheek (which I suspect is more likely), Madame is kindly invited to stuff it.

First and foremost, you SHOULD “admire” a sentiment that is, at its core, a direct opposition to the consumerist culture magazines have pushed for decades. If humans are going to survive as a species, we need to buy less, buy necessities (as opposed to luxuries), use and reuse the things we have bought, mend the tears and rips, and continue to reuse until those clothes can no longer be decently worn - and then they need to be ‘recycled’ as cleaning rags. Seriously. This isn’t hard - this isn’t one of those “but I need my car for work!” things. If you bought the clothes, wear them. If you can’t wear them, find someone who can. But don’t just buy new ones tomorrow because they’re pretty or the economy needs the boost or whatever.

(I don’t buy second-hand because I feel that other people need good, cheap clothing more than me. So I buy organic and use my blessings to try to stimulate THAT market. But I only buy when I need the clothes, not just when I want them.)

Second, you shouldn’t be reading magazines. Get online, seriously. Magazines are paper, and very few fashion rags are made from recycled paper. And the dyes used in them are probably toxic in large quantities. So cut it out.

Alright, I’m done being holier-than-thou to the original article poster, who no doubt recycles regularly and is a wonderful person. Please go back to casting aspersions on people based on their footwear.

But don’t make fun of my hair-shirt. smile

Comment #104: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  07:10 PM

My husband: “I never realized how cold my feet were until I got these boots and have feet that are warm!” Emu Ranch, but they’re the same style.

They are also soft, which adds to the comfort.

Now, people who wear them when it’s not cold probably wouldn’t know the point of seasonal clothing if a parka bit them in the ass.

Comment #105: Samantha Vimes  on  01/15  at  07:11 PM

By the way, if any of the mods are on, can someone IP ban the idiot who keeps using my, INTPagan, and Amanda’s name on the comments?

It’s probably other names as well, and it’s annoying. Yeesh.

Comment #106: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  07:19 PM

really? you guys think doc martens are durable? i spent my teens years OBSESSED with docs, and finally got a pair. 6 months later, the leather had cracked where the toe box bends, and i couldn’t wear them if it was at all wet out.

Then you didn’t waterproof them, or use leather conditioner, I’m betting. Docs are made of leather, which means you do have to take care of them. A Well-maintained pair of Docs will last years.

Which, from an environmental standpoint, is a pro leather argument. Why buy canvas or cloth Vegan shoes that you have to replace every 6 months when a good pair of natural leather boots or shoes, well maintained, can last you a good long time? Sure, in an ideal world, no animal would ever be harmed for food or clothing. Whatever. Cows are cows and we’re going to keep eating them. Might as well use their skin while we’re at it.

Comment #107: Keith  on  01/15  at  07:29 PM

Apparently he (I assume he) is doing some IP manipulation that allows him to keep selecting a new address to evade filters.

If he’d only put the same amount of effort into being a decent human being, maybe he wouldn’t be so lonely he feels the need to bother us…

Comment #108: MikeEss  on  01/15  at  07:29 PM

“Is it time, on a fashion thread, to ask the women here: do any of you think that men’s “shorts” that come down to mid-calf make the men wearing them look good? “

They reassure me because I know when the guy sits down and crosses his legs man-style (ankle on thigh) I won’t be getting an accidental flashing, especially if he’s going commando.

To quote Elaine, “I don’t know you guys walk around with those things.”

Comment #109: emjaybee  on  01/15  at  07:31 PM

Aesthetically, I’m okay with Uggs. They’re cheerful and vibrant and cuddly, which is fine if you like that sort of thing. In terms of practicality? Well, I bet they are more comfortable than my favorite black shoes from Clarke’s, which nobody would ever think to comment on. $$$? My winter coat is more expensive and less warm than any number of ugly puffy things from LL Bean.

I dunno. Yeah, consumerism boo, and yeah, they’ve become clan markers for wealthy sorority girls, but on the whole I cannot muster even an ounce of disapproval.

Comment #110: jericho  on  01/15  at  07:33 PM

MikeEss, I assumed he was using the time-honored technique of posting from a library computer - just get up and get to a new computer every time you’re banned. In those cases, I recommend banning certain ranges of IP addresses, but then again Pandagon has a more global audience than I ever had.

In the absence of a solution, I suggest a secret algorithm to determine who is who. Something like a sentence unique to each of us, and every post contains a word from that sentence. With secret decoder rings, yeah!!

Or I could just caution everyone to ignore any of “my” posts which aren’t clever, witty, and incredibly intelligent.

And humble. smile

Comment #111: Essie the Elephant  on  01/15  at  07:35 PM

Uggs are actually comfortable (they will never send you to the podiatrist with a $1,000 medical bill).

But it’s true that the people most likely to be dwelling on representations of high-end stuff are least able to afford them. My parents, old Sixties liberals who became professionals (science and teaching - no need for Armani suits) have only derision for luxury items, while the poor students at my school were poring over a copy of Bergdorf Goodman’s magazine. Yes, Bergdorf Goodman has a magazine, the black hole of consumerist journalism.

Comment #112: sara  on  01/15  at  07:47 PM

On flip flops:

Beachwear is what they are and beachwear is how they should stay categorized.

What I spend my schadenfreude time savoring are my fellow Californians who go to Europe and walk around on nothing but flip flops.

Over cobblestones. And on dog poop, because yes, picking up after dogs hasn’t quite caught on yet as much as we’d like.

And then they have the temerity to complain about it.

That’s comedy, people. Comedy.

Comment #113: Norvegica  on  01/15  at  07:49 PM

Apparently he (I assume he) is doing some IP manipulation that allows him to keep selecting a new address to evade filters.

He’s probably using a proxy, which would let him do just that.

Comment #114: PWI  on  01/15  at  07:57 PM

obviously no one is suggesting that you can actually always tell what a person is like based on her shoes, but let’s not pretend footwear is never a helpful hint.

Quoted for truth. YES.

I don’t see how the pro-Uggs in cold weather argument holds up considering there are less expesive, warm and more waterproof boots available for purchase.

Yes again. Uggs are not freaking snow boots. They are not rain boots. They are overpriced house slippers.

Comment #115: Danica Lefse Queen  on  01/15  at  07:59 PM

Does site membership reserve one’s screen-name? That would help cut down on weirdness like INTPagan suddenly posting about “homosexual activists.”

Comment #116: jericho  on  01/15  at  08:03 PM

I love my flip-flops quite a lot, as long as they’re not made of a material wherein they’ll slip off my feet (another sweaty-footed person here). And seriously, it never occurred to me to be self-conscious about non-pedicured feet when wearing open-toed shoes. Since when were we “supposed” to get pedicures? For real.

I’ve only seen a few ‘round here wear Uggs, and on some girls I think it does look cute. I suspect not a single one of them cares what I think though. tongue laugh

I’m lucky to be friends with people who are roughly my size and can give me clothes they don’t want. I am too broke to buy lots of new stuff, and lots of my clothes are either falling apart or not fitting (I hate pants for this reason; when they stretch out just a LITTLE BIT they are instantly really really uncomfortable for me). And I can self-alter clothing sometimes with the help of safety pins. Safety pins rule.

I really am not too concerned with other people’s tastes in things. Yes, I’ve gleefully laughed at some articles of clothing I see in the store (Is this a skirt or a top? Oh, look, pre-wrinkled shirts), but it really doesn’t concern me if people like ‘em. Live and let live, I say.

Comment #117: Margaret  on  01/15  at  08:08 PM

But don’t make fun of my hair-shirt.

If you did not hand-weave it out of your own hair, I’m afraid you are fair game. :D

And I’ll go ahead and be grouchy and agree that Uggs + “Pink” sweatpants are abhorrent. That combination is one of my few true hates in this world (women’s college = waaay too much of this look being worn by otherwise perfectly intelligent and tasteful young women!)

Comment #118: Bagelsan  on  01/15  at  08:15 PM

Are YOU happy, Ms. Judging-people-on-the-internet Mnemosyne? What is it about your life that makes you so miserable that you must take out your aggression, and place these motives, on others? What’s the old saying about “we judge that what we fear most in ourselves”?

Lighten up, Francis.  Mocking other people for what they wear is an age-old pastime.

Comment #119: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  08:18 PM

speaking of ugly winter boots used as a fashion statement, back when i actually lived in a snowy clime, sorels were the boot of choice.

http://www.zappos.com/n/p/dp/30932101/c/1429.html

do people even wear sorels anymore?  for a practical snow boat, they simply couldn’t be beat.

(and yes we wore them with mini skirts and tights in college.  because in montana, if you only wore your miniskirts in warm months with no snow, that would mean july and august.  not much fun)

Comment #120: trishka  on  01/15  at  08:20 PM

i see the highest ugg concentration in places like glendale and orange county and usually still on teenagers

Ding ding ding ding ding.  It’s a little scary that you got my city exactly.  wink

Comment #121: Mnemosyne  on  01/15  at  08:21 PM

Are you serious - you need to waterproof Docs to make them last for more than a couple of years? I have several pairs of casual leather shoes (Clarks, Sandros, and Borns) that I’ve worn regularly for almost 7 years with nothing more than a good polishing now and then.

Comment #122: jjcomet  on  01/15  at  08:27 PM

do people even wear sorels anymore?

Trishka, speaking for myself as a resident of snowy MN, if I had the money to invest in a pair of snow boots, Sorels are my first and last choice.  I can’t be bothered with lesser works when it’s going to be -15.

Comment #123: everstar  on  01/15  at  08:31 PM

I am amazed that three websites have gotten SO WOUND UP over these things. And Crocs. And now flip-flops. Wow.

I’m not terribly thrilled with any of the three myself (cannot wear flip-flops at bloody all, have literally fallen out of Crocs when my feet sweated after 10 minutes of walking, so much for that experiment, and you’ve already stated the Uggs’ issues),  but I can see somewhat why some people wear ‘em. If they can put up with the stank or the arch hurting when walking or whatever, fine.

That said, where the hell are these rumored Uggs with arch and ankle support people are mentioning? I have never seen such a thing.

Comment #124: Jennifer  on  01/15  at  08:34 PM

Eh, it’s hard for me to get wound up about anything that’s warm and cozy.  It was six degrees this morning and if I could have climbed entirely into an Ugg boot, I probably would have.  Of course, first choice would be staying under the covers with a nice mug of tea, but life ain’t perfect.

Comment #125: LauraB  on  01/15  at  08:48 PM

As a native and resident of the Pacific Northwest (that get snow/ rain/ slush/ ice/ all the hateful winter weather you can imagine), Sorel’s are the way to go for winter boots. Pretty? Not really. Comfy, warm and practical, yes.

As for the summer, keep your hands off my flip flops. My feet have been in Sorel’s all winter and need some air and sun.

Comment #126: awkward  on  01/15  at  08:50 PM

aww, mnemosyne, i still love glendale!  i just have to consider seeing a disproportionate number of people wearing uggs and being hit on by hairy armenian dudes in gold chains and embroidered jeans part of the price you pay to shop at the galleria/americana.

Comment #127: chareth  on  01/15  at  08:56 PM

At my snowcountry college, Uggs are one of the signs of an freshmen unprepared for the winter, because they appear en masse after the first snowfall.

Comment #128: Flying Fox  on  01/15  at  09:06 PM

Are you serious - you need to waterproof Docs to make them last for more than a couple of years?

You don’t have to, but it’s a good idea if you’re going to be wearing them in snow. Should have clarified.

Comment #129: Keith  on  01/15  at  09:07 PM

I’m not “wound up”.  I’m “writing about something amusing that shouldn’t be taken overly seriously”.

Comment #130: Amanda Marcotte  on  01/15  at  09:07 PM

emjaybee wrote:

To quote Elaine, “I don’t know you guys walk around with those things.”

Hey, Elaine is my wife!

And I’d say that there’s a happy medium between the ugly mid-calf “shorts” and 1984 short-shorts for men.

Comment #131: Dana  on  01/15  at  09:13 PM

do people even wear sorels anymore?

You can pry my Sorels off of my cold, dead feet.  I’m not sure how I’d manage Chicago winters without them - AND if you go to a Nordstrom Rack in November you can usually pick up a pair at deep discount.

Comment #132: Maureen  on  01/15  at  09:20 PM

Denise
i go to OSU… i’m almost 32, so i already suffer anomie being around all these 20 year olds.
but i am ALSO from northern CA. and what they choose to wear… oh. my. GODS. it’s horrid.

yesterday i went to school in the snow. i didn;t know it was snowing til i went outside - and i have slip on shoes (because *I* cannot bend to put on/tie shoes. hip surgery). my feet were SOAKED for HOURS. but i do have a pair of boots, they are hard leather and while they lace, they also zip up the side so they are VERY easy to put on and don’t hurt near as much as most shoes do. but i admit i have been tempted to Uggs, because they would be even EASIER to put on and probably wouldn’t hurt my feet like the boots i currently have do (well, they hurt my ankles and calves, where they bite into me because they are hard leather, and this is really only becaise i almost never wear them and they are not broken in)

all that said… i’m not really sure i COULD buy Uggs. just… Ugh, ya know? i certainly know i would NEVER pair them with leggings, or worse what all the girls do pair them with those stupid, stupid sweats…

Comment #133: denelian  on  01/15  at  09:41 PM

“I blame the patriarchy, for sure, because what other force has the power to break the will and self-respect of young women so thoroughly?”

I don’t know whether this is sarcasm of not - but ugly boots and sweatpants do not a “sexy” outfit make.

Also, sweatpants + boots = no will and self-respect? Buh?

Can someone please explain this to me - I’m thinking something may have gone over my head.

Comment #134: jabuticaba  on  01/15  at  09:42 PM

When I see Uggs I always think, “you’re feet must stink.” Part of that is because I suspect many don’t bother to wear socks and so the boot linings soak up all the funk and sweat, as opposed to a sock which can be washed routinely.

FWIW, uggs can be machine washed and dried on a radiator.  I’ve done this once or twice a year to mine, and they are about 11 years old now.

You can pry my Sorels off of my cold, dead feet. 

Mine too - except you would have to work through the snow shoes first.  Or, you’d have to wrestle my teen son for them, as his feet are the same size as mine and I let him borrow them. (6 years old and really quite worn out ... so I let him finish the job)

Comment #135: Ms Kate  on  01/15  at  09:53 PM

“like amanda’s egregious emo’s example—that guy with a popped collar and crocs is, let’s all face it, more than likely a douchebag.  that doesn’t mean if you happened to meet the guy and he turned out to in fact be perfectly nice, albeit sartorially misguided, that you should persist in thinking he’s a douche.  but realizing that without any other information, odds are, someone dressed that way is a dbag isn’t unfair. “

Help me understand why That Guy’s Popped Collar and Crocs makes him a douchebag, but arm / sleeve tattoos don’t make someone a douchebag?  There’s more to the world of taste than Amanda’s personal preferences.  I love this blog and I adore Amanda, but sheesh ... those arm sleeve tattoos were about as red-state redneck as one could be, and given a choice, this northern liberal would much rather see popped collar and crocs than redneck tattoos.

And of course wearing Uggs in Texas in hot weather is silly; I think Amanda’s so Texas-centric she doesn’t realize that there’s a big world outside Texas, where it gets cold.  Like below zero.  Routinely.

Comment #136: Susanne  on  01/15  at  10:48 PM

Sez Rebecca Traister:

For the rest of us, this is just a fancy way of saying, “Wear the same clothes you’ve been wearing for the past 10 years.”

I actually like wearing the same clothes for a decade or more; it breaks my heart to throw out a once-favorite shirt because by now it has holes in it.

I am wearing the same shoes to work I bought over 10 years ago; I don’t love them because they are hard to put on and take off quickly, but they are the only ones I have now that aren’t sandals (the kind of sandals with straps on the back, not flip-flops) and I am not allowed to wear sandals at work, since we handle heavy computers and electronic machinery.

Not that my more conventional shoes would do much to protect my feet if I dropped an 80-pound file server or UPS on them, but after I mashed a finger with a file server that slipped from my grasp I couldn’t argue. Nor would arguing get me anything but fired.

Ah well, Amanda condemned my footwear preferences in no uncertain terms some months ago, before it got so cold enough that wearing socks with the sandals became absolutely necessary if I want to wear the sandals at all.

I never claimed to be hip. I do try to be comfortable, convention be damned.

(But a sock-sandal combo is the opposite of comfortable on a snowy day or night. Fortunately it hasn’t snowed all that much so far—but unfortunately it snowed a blizzard on Christmas).

Comment #137: Mark Foxwell  on  01/15  at  11:10 PM

I am a Northern Californian who is adamantly for flip-flops. I don’t understand the people who say they’re uncomfortable. If the “thong” part is made out of hard plastic, it can hurt, but if you just get ones made of soft material, you’re good to go. Way more comfortable in the summer than wearing socks and sneakers, or, worst of all, close-toed flats without socks. I like my feet cool and dry, not hot and sweaty. I have been to Austin many a time (I have family there), and the only shoes I could even stand to wear were flip-flops. I find it hard to believe that any able-bodied people have trouble walking in them.

Comment #138: Lauren O  on  01/15  at  11:14 PM

I bought Uggs from Australia in 2003. I didn’t wear them for a couple of years because I thought they were ugly. Also, because in my city there was a weird-ass fashion for Uggs… except they have FUR OUTSIDE. WTF? Chewbacca boots? I didn’t want to be identified with that set so that was reason enough for me to not wear my Uggs.

Recently I’ve started wearing them to work because they’re just super-comfy and warm. Waterproof the outside and they’re perfect for big snows. I also don’t understand the whole “wear it in hot sweltering summer weather” thing, though.

I hate crocs and I find them ugly as hell. Much prefer flipflops and sandals. However, my mum does have a Croc flip-flop type which is fun to wear. It’s kinda bouncy.

Comment #139: Jha  on  01/15  at  11:23 PM

I don’t understand the people who say they’re uncomfortable. If the “thong” part is made out of hard plastic, it can hurt, but if you just get ones made of soft material, you’re good to go.

Different people have different sensitivities and such. For some, the sensation of something between the toes would be immensely annoying and uncomfortable. It doesn’t bother me at all though. I was very happy when my school allowed us all to wear flip-flops. The combo of school uniform + flip flops is rather lulzworthy though.

Comment #140: Margaret  on  01/15  at  11:44 PM

Trishka, I’m going to go against the crowd and say that Sorel warmth and quality fell into the crapper big time after they were acquired by Columbia.  I have a pair of 15-year-old LaCrosse pacs that I still wear when it’s seriously cold, but frankly I’ve got a pair of cheap-ass Snow Runners from Cabelas that are completely comfortable down to about -10 and are pretty light and comfortable.

A lot of people swear by insulated NEOS.

Comment #141: Melinda  on  01/16  at  12:19 AM

Lauren, I have massively flat feet that cause sideways slip, and that means extreme blisters from even “good” flip flops.  Sure, I wear them like shower shoes or to take the garbage out, but I live in a east-coast city with all the yuck and glass hazards that entails, and spend a good deal of time in the summer doing things that don’t mix with flip flops.  Why should I wear something massively uncomfortable that doesn’t work?  Meanwhile, Tevas go from bike, to river, to ocean, to wooded trails behind my house and they don’t fall off, wash away, or get caught in escalators or subway train gaps (seen victims of both!).

Comment #142: Ms Kate  on  01/16  at  12:35 AM

Not to mention that fat people have a harder time with their feet.

Comment #143: seeker6079  on  01/16  at  01:03 AM

I agree that Uggs are quite possibly the ugliest shoe ever made and I hate them.  However, the foot of snow and high temperature of 4 degrees Fahrenheit outside are really causing me to reconsider my opinion of that.  Especially as I have to walk to work this evening and my regular boots are just not warm enough (but they are really, really cute and professional looking—why can’t affordable, pretty shoes that look nice with pants or a skirt and are also practical for the midwestern winter, with the emphasis on affordable, be made available to me?).

Totes, KS.  And these aren’t your mother’s overshoes, either.  Look just like nice 2” heeled boots - not with a dress, but definitely with pants.

Comment #144: phylosopher  on  01/16  at  01:04 AM

I have reached fashion failure status. I wear “classic” straight-cut pants and straight-cut woven shirts and knit shirts, with comfortable but ugly shoes (Birkenstocks, and exercise shoes). I buy unusual costume jewelry, vests, jackets to provide variety.

Comment #145: NancyP  on  01/16  at  02:23 AM

Oh, Amanda! You are TOO YOUNG to truly appreciate Crocs. When you get old and in the way, and shoes hurt after 30 years of waitressing, you just don’t care about looking hawt for the dewds (or WHOEVER!) and Crocs are your BESTEST FRIENDS EVAH!!! Especially here in Austin, where it is eleventy million degrees all the fucking time!

PLUS, aren’t you falling down on the job of Feminist Ugly-Shoe Proseletyzing? OR: are you trying to be a FUN FEMINIST? Do I have to report you to Ms Faster?

Comment #146: KMTBERRY  on  01/16  at  04:03 AM

I’d rather learn how to do more with the clothes I already have, due to the fact that buying them means I already like them.

An old skirt makes an excellent pot-holder.

No need to thank me.

Comment #147: Margalis  on  01/16  at  05:28 AM

The thing I find most amusing about the Ugg craze is that in their original environment (Australia), wearing Uggs outside the house is pretty much as daggy as daggy can be. They’ve actually overtaken shorts, sandals and knee-length grey socks on a late middle-aged guy with a huge beer belly as the dictionary definition of daggy. Or at least, that was the case when I was last over there.

As warm slippers, they’re fine - but they’re not snow boots.

Returning to the article:

admire the sentiment, but it’s precisely this kind of workmanlike thrift that could suck all the joy out of magazine reading.

I just don’t understand this at all. The joy of magazine reading is exclusively about having overpriced stuff marketed at you? Are there people out there who start channel-surfing whenever the ad break ends, looking for more ads? Oh, I forgot about QVC… Jesus, what a hollow, empty, pointless waste of life.

Comment #148: Dunc  on  01/16  at  09:30 AM

Sorels? You bet I wear them, as I type it’s 18 below here. We also have a dusting of snow, maybe 20 inches on the ground. I wouldn’t walk ten feet without those things on my feet today. Best winter boots I’ve ever owned. Apparently a Canadian company knows how to make good winter boots, whouda thunk?

Comment #149: Scott1960  on  01/16  at  09:35 AM

Unless you swallowed an avocado, you don’t have a pit in your stomach. Perhaps you have a bad feeling in the pit of your stomach. I don’t know exactly when this particular odd bastardization of the idiom began—maybe 10 years ago or so. But my least favorite sports talk guy in the world mangles it (I listen only because his partner is my dear friend) and I want to jump through the radio and strangle him when he does.

Comment #150: Bo  on  01/16  at  10:55 AM

Dear Yanks,

Thanks for the several years of laughs at your expense by considering ugg boots to be some sort of desirable fashion item. The vast majority of Australians who care even vaguely about their appearance wouldn’t dare be seen in public within 50 meters of these glorified sheep arse clippings. The main market demographic for these things are surfers, the oblivious, a species you might refer to as “trailer trash” and other off cuts of society who are likely to combine the footwear with rat tails and flannel. And you are paying $300 a pair for them? Who’s the real bunch of drongos?

Thanks for giving Bush the arse.

Sincerely yours,

Australia

Comment #151: sul  on  01/16  at  11:15 AM

Scott1960, Sorel hasn’t been a Canadian company for quite awhile.  If you’re looking for warm Canadian boots, try Baffin or Acton.

Comment #152: Melinda  on  01/16  at  11:39 AM

Moonboots, they’re back.

http://z.about.com/d/shoes/1/0/m/p/moon_boots.jpg

Comment #153: Jenny Dreadful  on  01/16  at  12:22 PM

I have reached fashion failure status. I wear “classic” straight-cut pants and straight-cut woven shirts and knit shirts, with comfortable but ugly shoes (Birkenstocks, and exercise shoes). I buy unusual costume jewelry, vests, jackets to provide variety.

Sounds like the “40+ Female Professor Uniform” to me!  Worn by Nancy P and just about every mid-life female professor or doctor I know.

I’m currently aspiring to it, myself.

Comment #154: Ms Kate  on  01/16  at  01:29 PM

seeker6079, are you testing the idea that tenure prevents you from being subject to the stick rule?

Not that tootiredoflogic hasn’t been running an active system test in that regard.

Comment #155: Ms Kate  on  01/16  at  01:31 PM

Ms Kate,

Do we know if it’s really seeker?

A particularly dull troll has been co-opting my name, as well as his and INTPagan and a few others. The troll posted several things in seeker’s name yesterday evening. Just FYI.

Comment #156: Essie the Exasperated Elephant  on  01/16  at  01:52 PM

I suspect that the above “seeker” IS the troll because it’s URL linking back to Pandagon, something seeker doesn’t bother to do.

The troll is doing it, because he thinks that “real” posters have URL links in their names. Long story, but that’s something he started doing to look like the “real” INTPagan.

I wouldn’t take it personally.

Comment #157: Essie the Exasperated Elephant  on  01/16  at  01:54 PM

Uggs and flipflops are the modern versions of foot binding.  They convey the class status of the wearer.  They inform you that the Noble Person is far too superior to do anything as plebian as walking.  And that the use is for decorative purposes only.

Comment #158: Mold  on  01/16  at  02:13 PM

I just volunteered last night at Rosie’s Place, a homeless shelter for women in Boston.  I served dinner to 70 women and a dozen or so children who basically have the clothes on their backs and that’s it.  One woman came in wearing snow pants (even though it hadn’t snowed) because it was her only pair of pants.  Several women didn’t even have a scarf or gloves, which they got that evening from donations made to the shelter. 

It’s -4 degrees outside.

Really puts fashion criticism in perspective, I think.

Spend any time whatsoever with people who have *nothing* and you won’t be able to muster up a lot of hauteur outrage over Uggs.

Comment #159: deep6  on  01/16  at  03:04 PM

Seeker - apologies if it isn’t you.  Hmmm ... maybe it actually is toolametothinkright?

I noticed a troll posted something with a “.” after Ms in another thread.  Unfortunately for it, what got posted wasn’t exactly that damning (the Song of the South is a lame conservative favorite, for the blacks acting like pickinnies evoked by Les Trolls).

Comment #160: Ms Kate  on  01/16  at  04:08 PM

I’m sitting here with my feet freezing reading Amanda dissing warm shoes?  I don’t have any Ugg’s but I do have a pair of fleece lined boots, which I should be wearing.

But before I leave to go get them, those long shorts?  They look like skirts to me.  And they don’t even look good on real tall guys.  A few years ago, our local paper printed a picture of Wilt Chamberlain, looking way cool, and handsome, and wearing shorts which were short, as shorts should be, and Chuck Taylors (which were state-of-the-art basketball shoes in those days).  What a man!!  Wooo!  (Well, I *am* Older.  Quite a lot older.)

Comment #161: older  on  01/16  at  04:20 PM

Mold, I can not only walk long distances in flip flops, I can dance in them.  They provide me with a way to go barefoot without having to get sharp things stuck in the bottom of my own personal feet.  I love flip flops, but only in the summer, although when I was Younger, I used to wear them year-round.

Comment #162: older  on  01/16  at  04:22 PM

I don’t know about you, but like many women, my feet are cold not only when it is 25º below zero (e.g. today), but pretty much all the freaking time.  UGGs and their derivatives are a godsend for the frozen-toed among us.  Instead of deriding them, we should be thanking college girls for popularizing this sensible slipper-boot hybrid.  Fleece breathes well, wicks away moisture, and is extremely forgiving of non-standard foot shapes—i.e. you don’t have to try on 35 pairs in order to find one that fits.  Who has time for that?  Plus, you don’t need to break them in (which, much as I loved them, I could never have said of my Docs Martens). Embrace the eskimo chic!

I only wish they came in deeper and more vibrant colours, and/or shades that hide the dirt better.

Comment #163: Koobickle  on  01/16  at  04:49 PM

It’s -4 degrees outside.

Global warming

Comment #164: Essie the Queer Elephant  on  01/16  at  06:55 PM

As they note at Jezebel, Uggs are easy to turn your ankle in

It’s a flat-footed boot. If you’re going around turning your ankle in a flat boot, you need more practice walking. Or you need orthotics.

Comment #165: Chet  on  01/16  at  08:09 PM

...I never posted on this thread; I didn’t know that someone posted under my name until now, for the record.

Comment #166: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/16  at  09:35 PM

And no, reserving your screen name doesn’t help - I have an account here, and I’m signed in, and my name has still been ganked.

Generally, if I’m going to post on a thread, I post repeatedly, and often heatedly, and can be prone to being rather verbose.

Also, I’m smart.

Comment #167: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/16  at  09:38 PM

And, Dodge:

Thanks for advertising my blog for me!  I mean, traffic isn’t that vitally important, but, hey, you’re making it easier for anyone who actually cares about my thoughts on things to read about them!  What a fantastic public service you provide.

Really, it’s kind of flattering that someone is that obsessed with this website, in my opinion.  You must be pissing off the right people, or at least twelve-year-olds.

Comment #168: Atheist Feminazi  on  01/16  at  09:42 PM

Koobickle: If your feet are cold all the time, you may have a more serious problem.  The first thing that springs to mind is diabetes, but here can be other causes.  You might want to see your doctor.

Comment #169: Dana  on  01/17  at  11:54 AM

Please describe your dance style.  And no, clutch and grope is not a style.

Flips and Uggs still remain as mostly status markers.  Uggs are not worn for function and flips are worn despite better choices.  Sound like Sociology 101?

Comment #170: Mold  on  01/19  at  02:47 PM

As a Californian, I love my Uggs (and my flip flops).  I think part of the appeal in So Cal is that we have a “winter” that’s equivalent to, like, early fall in most other places, and only lasts about maybe two months, so it doesn’t make sense to buy a whole winter wardrobe. However, it does get pretty chilly during those two months, especially after dark, and if you don’t want to wear radically different clothes during the winter, Uggs are a huge help. It’s just like wearing a sweater, only you wear it on your feet. It can get really uncomfortable to wear Uggs if it gets hot out, but that’s why you want to wear several layers when you wear them, because the temp can change 30-40 degrees over the course of a day.  It’s why you see people in California wearing Uggs, a short skirt, a t-shirt, a hoodie, a scarf, and maybe some arm-warmers.  That’s a So Cal winter outfit.  And it’s comfortable for our weather.

I also have always thought Uggs were very flattering, as long as you’re skinny enough.  And I’ve taken lots of shit for that opinion, which seems to be a minority one among the people I know, although clearly not among people in general, because they’re all over the place.  I have to think the violent reaction against Uggs is more about the kind of people who wear them than what they actually look like or how practical they are, because aren’t both of the latter things solely the business of the person wearing them?  So why the shoe-shaming here?

Also, Uggs last forever and are very, very comfortable. And no, you don’t need to wear socks with them, and no, although you’d think they would, they don’t turn your feet into soup even when it’s straight up hot outside.  I feel much more uncomfortable in closed-toe shoes without socks than wearing Uggs when it’s up to about 70 degrees out.  So, hey, give us a break—maybe there’s a reason for their popularity??

Comment #171: piehat  on  01/19  at  09:36 PM
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