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Tucker Max hates fun

Feminism

Sady Doyle at Broadsheet whips out the “ignore bullies and they’ll go away” argument when it comes to Tucker Max, an iconic douchebag, a saint to misogynists everywhere.  Alas, hating women is considered such delightful entertainment that Max is out promoting the movie version of his memoirs “I Hope They Serve Beer in Hell,” a movie that’s so misogynist that even in the trailer you have Max declaring that killing fat girls for sport is acceptable because they’re not people.  As a joke, it’s a miserable failure.  (Look up the trailer if you want to see what I mean.  I’m choosing a video that I think embodies the response that Max deserves.)  It has no rhythm, wit, or even that twist of surprise that generates a laugh.  It’s “funny” in the same way that racists believe using racial slurs is “funny”—-the laughter is the release of wretched human beings trying to distract themselves from their own awfulness by pretending others are inferior.  Max has sworn to sue anyone who calls him a rapist, but he has bragged about filming a woman having sex with him without her consent, which is a form of sexual assault in some states, and I suspect if the victim would like to press charges or sue, she’d have a case. 

The point is, some college campuses are allowing this anti-woman film to be shown, and feminist groups are protesting.  Doyle is protesting their protests on the grounds that it violates the ignore-the-bullies strategy.

But the protests may benefit him more than anything else.

Max is a showman. Being hated is a part of his act. He’s a self-described asshole who succeeds by getting people to agree with him. His fans think he’s saying what they can’t; his critics think he’s saying what no one should. But if you’re offended, you’ve noticed him. And for his fans, knowing that he’s picketed by feminists—feminists! Dreaded nemeses of parties and good time!— isn’t cause for concern, but a ringing endorsement.

Giving Max his very own protest makes him seem far important than he actually is. It gives him the enemies he needs.

Unfortunately, I have to point out that the strategy of looking the other way when men mistreat women has been the preferred one throughout most of human history, and it really didn’t do much to reduce the incidence of rape.  In fact, it wasn’t until feminists started to speak out against rape and the rape culture that rape incidence began to plummet.  In fact, dropping the “ignore the bullies” strategy has caused the rape rate to go down 85% since the 1970s.  If continuing to speak out puts the fear of prison into Max and his fans so that they think twice before acting out their hatred of women in a violent manner, then I’m willing to accept his self-aggrandizing as a trade-off. 

Because there’s more people at stake here than Max and his misogynist fan base.  As anyone arguing with misogynists needs to understand, you don’t argue with broken woman-haters in order to change their minds.  Believe me; I’ve spent a lot of time arguing with anti-choice nuts online, and I know that they’re brick walls.  Something is broken inside of them, and they have to take it out on women who have sex, and you’re not going to change their bone-deep hatred of sexual women by arguing with them.  Nor are you going to change Tucker Max’s belief that women who have sex deserve to be dumped on.  He’s got the same disease, even if it manifests differently.  But you should still protest misogyny and push back, because the people who promote it aren’t the only people involved.  You have an audience, and you should aim your message at them.


Will the protests cause Max to stop hating women, or his fans to stop toying with the idea of violence against women?  No.  But college campuses are stuffed with young women, too, and many of them have been assaulted, abused, or mistreated by these frat daddy misogynists, and they often feel alone, like the whole world sides with misogynist men and no one cares about them.  They may even feel pressured to go to this movie and pretend to think it’s funny, even if it’s causing them miserable flashbacks to some mistreatment at the hands of some dickwad.  The protests send the signal that you aren’t alone if you think there’s something wrong with misogyny.  That there’s people out there who agree with you.  That you have allies.  And that if you’re raped by one of these assholes, you can pursue justice.

That doesn’t mean that the message can’t be refined, of course.  Knowing that your audience is the fence sitters and women who feel uneasy at being regarded as subhuman can help you craft a message that will reach more people.  You can’t approach a protest as an attempt to change the misogynists, and certainly not as an attempt to shut down their freedom of speech.  But you can and should package the message that women are people in a way that is fun and enticing and clever—-particularly since Tucker Max is not clever, which gives you space to one-up him with ease.  For instance, for someone who pretends to be fun-loving, he actually is working to make the world less fun and sexy.  By making sexual experimentation dangerous for women, he’s discouraging it, and less sex overall will be the result.  Max may prefer hating women to a sexy, fun world, of course, but how dreary and fun-hating to you have to be to join along?  When your opponent is a mega-douche like Max, then the strategy should be to demonstrate the feminism is cooler by far, and that women having real orgasms while being considered human is way more fun for everyone, and only a tedious, unfun douchebag would want it any other way.

The trailer preemptively tries to take the knees off any woman who sees this and gets angry at being hated for no good reason, by showing eye-rolling and angry women as the villains.  They use this tactic because it works to shame young women into not standing up for themselves and saying no to this dehumanization and abuse.  But there’s ways to get around that, again by having fun and making fun of the sorts of douchebags who consider this entertainment.  I’d suggest playing some music like Peaches or something at the protests, and having events and contests that make fun of Max and his fans.  Perhaps a Douchebag Olympics, where you award prizes for who can pop their collars or yell at their friends through a Bluetooth the loudest?  A simple and easy to pull off stunt would be rolling out a whiteboard and have the crowd come up with suggestions for things that would be more fun than going home with Tucker Max or any of his fans.  Suggestions:

*Pulling your toenails out with pliers
*Wiping dog shit in your hair
*Flunking your classes
*Joining a nunnery

Max and the men who enjoy schtick like his are able to intimidate women because they imply that men can judge women, but not vice versa.  Simply proving that women can mock back and the world doesn’t end—-and that it’s a lot of fun!—-can be a huge relief to young women who are genuinely afraid that either they go along with the misogynist schtick, or they will be left utterly alone.  Sending the message that there is a community of women who push back, say no, and have fun doing it is well worth the effort.

You can also push back against Max’s message that sexually active women are bad and deserve to be punished.  Pass out condoms, have silly sex toy demonstrations, have lots of giggles while sending the message that women who have sex are real people, and a lot more fun than weasels like Max or his angry fans who want to punish women for being attractive.

And what the hell, here’s some more Garfunkel and Oates.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:39 PM • (45) Comments

This movie has been advertised on a website that I visit & I could never tell what it was about. It certainly doesn’t sound like anything I would enjoy & certainly not my wife.

This: “Douchebag Olympics, where you award prizes for who can pop their collars or yell at their friends through a Bluetooth the loudest” sounds funny as shit though.

Comment #1: Mark  on  09/09  at  06:48 PM

Hasn’t T.M. been openly accused of making up the stories included in “Hell”?

Comment #2: CHV  on  09/09  at  06:48 PM

Who thought the world needed a new Andrew Dice Clay, anyway?

Yet another example of “cutting-edge” humor being stuff recycled from 20 years ago.

Comment #3: Mnemosyne  on  09/09  at  07:07 PM

I had a hard time agreeing with you, Amanda, until you got to the examples. Being funnier than the stupid movie sounds like an excellent idea, especially since some people will still go see the movie, and with something genuinely witty in their immediate memory to contrast they’re more likely to think What the hell? That movie really sucked as much as those chicks were saying it did.

It kind of reminds me of the fundraisers where they keep track of how many anti-choice protesters show up, and you can pledge to donate so much money (to a pro choice group) for every anti-choice douchebag. Make their crazypants dumbshit do the work *for* you.

I still think Sady has a point, though. The classic kind of angry-picketing protest is definitely going to give more publicity to Tucker Max than anything else. I don’t know how many groups picketing the movie will be clever enough to turn the thing on its head the way you suggest. Earnest liberalism (or at least one of its cousins) strikes again.

Comment #4: kristin  on  09/09  at  07:08 PM

A fairly progressive woman I know recommended I read the book. I got 1 chapter in and stopped. It was stupid. Another woman I work with suggested I keep reading, because some of the blow job chapters were funny. I stopped again, as I really don’t like to read somebody crow about how great they are (I bailed on “The Power of One” for the same reason).

2 other women I know told me I should read chapter X, Y or Z for whatever reason. It ended up being a bathroom book, as I became compelled to finish the damn thing, since I bought it.

Tucker Max is boring, and his friends are complete morons. I don’t get the self-hatred that would accompany a woman enjoying his book.

Comment #5: I Heart Puppies  on  09/09  at  07:08 PM

Hmm.  Show another, funnier, pro-feminist movie outside it while it’s playing?

Comment #6: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/09  at  07:18 PM

A simple and easy to pull off stunt would be rolling out a whiteboard and have the crowd come up with suggestions for things that would be more fun than going home with Tucker Max or any of his fans.  Suggestions:

*Pulling your toenails out with pliers
*Wiping dog shit in your hair
*Flunking your classes
*Joining a nunnery

Oh, that multiple choice is easy: the dogshit one, which maximizes pain by drawing another living creature into the degradation and suffering.

On the upside, it’s nice to be at a level of confidence where swatting away a desperate attention-screamer like this has the additional payoff of not having to listen to his target audience’s forced laughter (the Larfy version of Flop Sweat).

Comment #7: CassandraLiberal  on  09/09  at  07:19 PM

But you can and should package the message that women are people in a way that is fun and enticing and clever

That phrase can be read two ways. And I agree wholeheartedly with both interpretations.

Comment #8: Sarcastro  on  09/09  at  07:52 PM

The most effective approach to denying Tucker Max a living would be not to shame him for being a Naughty Boy, but to shame his fans by successfully imposing the stereotype of his fans as pathetic hangers-on who beat off over the latest Maxim a few times a day and haven’t touched any woman since they were weaned. This has the advantage of being, in most cases, true, and it is also not as easily spun as an image of individualism and macho rebellion.

Comment #9: ballast  on  09/09  at  08:13 PM

first off: who the hell is tucker max? never, ever heard of him, until this post. is this someone i should know? he sounds like a dipshit, and i already know wayyyyyyyyyyyy too many of them.

second: clearly, my parents failed me, and my wife and i, in turn, have failed our children; i was raised (along with my two brothers) to respect women, and treat them as equal, fellow human beings. in turn, my wife and i have taught our son the same thing, and our daughter to stand up for herself.

my question: what den of outcast wolves raised these people? i never thought andrew dice clay was particularly amusing, the planet is not crying out for his replacement.

Comment #10: cpinva  on  09/09  at  08:22 PM

I had read his website when I was younger and stupider, so I picked up his book a few months back hoping for a laugh

1) It was pretty much all the same stories, so waste of $$$
2) It wasn’t funny anymore. It was just pathetic.

Fact is, it was the exact same material. It should have been as funny as before, right? The text didn’t change. I guess I must have. For the better.

Comment #11: BlackBloc  on  09/09  at  08:25 PM

kirsten, while I think being fun and funny is best, I still think earnest liberalism is a better approach than doing nothing at all.  You just have to remember that you’re not trying to win over the misogynists.  They disbelieve in women’s humanity because they’re fucked up, and they need more intervention than you can provide. 

But what you can do is a) reach out to women and b) create consequences for sexual assault that these douchebags will respond to.  And the latter is best addressed by the former.  Even an earnest protest that involves educating the public about sexual assault hotlines, etc. can be helpful.  For the women in the crowd that are, sadly, sexually assaulted because of attitudes like the ones Max promotes will remember the protests when they need help, and they’ll reach out.  And maybe they’ll press charges, creating consequences.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/09  at  08:25 PM

Guys like Tucker are strictly “results orientated”. He doesn’t give two shits what anyone thinks about anything. He only cares about (1) Getting laid and (2) getting paid.

In order to make a dent, you have to hit him in the moneymaker (one of the two). Tucker follows the kitty principle; any attention is good attention.

Not that I have any idea of how to do so myself.

Comment #13: James K. Polk, Esq.  on  09/09  at  08:41 PM

Tangentially off topic: When is the “ignore the bully and he’ll leave you alone” BS going to DIE? That only has the potential to work when you are dealing with a transient bully or have the opportunity to never see him again (e.g., the construction worker who won’t be there tomorrow).

“Ignore the bully” and “they only tease because you react” sounds like a variant of victim blaming.

Comment #14: Dorothy  on  09/09  at  08:43 PM

James, I wouldn’t even say he cares about getting laid.  You don’t need to be a misogynist to do that.  He cares very deeply about misogyny, it seems.  He’s an evangelist for the idea that women aren’t people.

Comment #15: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/09  at  08:56 PM

Why isn’t this shit dead yet? It was barely funny when Groucho Marx and Henny Youngman were doing it, and they’ve been gone for 50 years.

That would be my whiteboard: which of your grandparents’ mediocre comedians did TM’s routines with much more flair?

Comment #16: paul  on  09/09  at  09:21 PM

Garfunkel and Oates are my new heroes.  Thanks Amanda!  That’s hysterical!

Comment #17: Mimi  on  09/09  at  09:32 PM

kirsten, while I think being fun and funny is best, I still think earnest liberalism is a better approach than doing nothing at all.  You just have to remember that you’re not trying to win over the misogynists.  They disbelieve in women’s humanity because they’re fucked up, and they need more intervention than you can provide.

Actually, Amanda has a good point. Sometimes we are too prone toward apathy, to convinced that nothing works. Political actions don’t always have to be ‘hip’ to be effective. Sometimes, boring, earnest liberalism works just great.

Comment #18: atheist  on  09/09  at  09:35 PM

Also a non-starter: the fallacious reasoning the TM brotherhood and groupies inevitably wheeze out.

His critics—or people who don’t give a shit about him—must respectfully pore over the dreck and compose at the very least a grad-school quality dissertation outline or who’s ‘really’ the intolerant one here?

Since I never abandoned self-identifying as a feminist from when I first learned to spell it, I continually get baited by TM’esque dorks at extended family affairs. My position is that if I wouldn’t touch their skidmark-ridden adult diapers why on earth would I want the chore of scrubbing their brains? You know, put down the stroke fodder for an hour or two and mix in some other books, Stupid.

Comment #19: CassandraLiberal  on  09/09  at  09:37 PM

oops ... failed to get in the last sentence ...

Then, we’ll debate.

Comment #20: CassandraLiberal  on  09/09  at  09:39 PM

My position is that if I wouldn’t touch their skidmark-ridden adult diapers why on earth would I want the chore of scrubbing their brains?

Yeah. It’s better to let assholes stew in their own worthless selves. Don’t give them a damn thing.

Comment #21: atheist  on  09/09  at  09:39 PM

I had a progressive friend recommend this book to me, just recently, as well.  In fact, she said I’d like it because I’m a lot like the author, which is horrifying now that I’ve found out what the book is like.

It seems like there’s not actually room for the idea of sex-positive feminist men in our culture.  Tucker Max is the default, which is horribly unfortunate.

Comment #22: Ferox  on  09/09  at  09:58 PM

Nothing wrong with a little counter-protest: if this Tucker Max gets his say, he and his mouth-breathing fans can’t very well complain when others have theirs.

The key is the form of counter-protest: if someone steps to you, the smart move is to counter-attack effectively, preferably with judo in mind (i.e. using the bully’s momentum/advantage against him). Earnest liberalism is great, but it certainly doesn’t preclude using cutting humour as a means to an end—in this case pointing out Tucker Max’s douchebaggery. If he’s gonna stir up a little pseudo-controversy and give himself more PR in the process, I’d rather see the opposition’s response coming from the likes of Garfunkel and Oates or Tina Fey than from the grim “usual suspects” who showed up at ANSWER protests and PUMA meetings.

It seems like there’s not actually room for the idea of sex-positive feminist men in our culture.  Tucker Max is the default, which is horribly unfortunate.

Oh, sure there’s room, as long as the sex-positive feminist men are aware of their privilege and try not to be jerks about it.

Comment #23: Gracchus.  on  09/09  at  10:23 PM

“He’s an evangelist for the idea that women aren’t people.” -AM

He’s not so much preaching as he is selling it. He wants to make money and be popular and he found a willing, paying audience. If he found substantial peer approval and gain by writing about the benefits of embroidered hand towels, he’d be doing that. But since our society grants instant gratification when it comes to juvenile feats and hyperbolic tales of epic conquest told in the form of short blog posts and bite-sized blurbs, that’s where he goes. If telling shock stories and being “anti-woman” gets people to notice him and give him money, then that’s what he’ll do.

Welcome to capitalist America where we’ll sell anything.

Comment #24: TheNewAnarchist  on  09/09  at  10:26 PM

It’s not exactly the same thing (though it’s close), but I remember being told that we should just ignore Rush Limbaugh and he would collapse under his own wrongness and obscurity. That really worked, huh?

That said, it is true that counter-protests need a sense of humor. Buttons reading “Tucker Max has no shot” or something like that? (Top-of-my-head idea; probably lame.)

Comment #25: RickMassimo  on  09/09  at  11:08 PM

Sad self-loathing douchbags like that hate nothing more than being laughed at.

Comment #26: PhysioProf  on  09/09  at  11:13 PM

Tangentially off topic: When is the “ignore the bully and he’ll leave you alone” BS going to DIE? That only has the potential to work when you are dealing with a transient bully or have the opportunity to never see him again (e.g., the construction worker who won’t be there tomorrow).

“Ignore the bully” and “they only tease because you react” sounds like a variant of victim blaming.

Amen.  And this isn’t an issue limited to race, gender, or political affiliation.  Every time I hear a parent or teacher spout off that nonsense I call them on it.  Usually I get the rejoinder “But you don’t have kids!”  The only response being “No, but I was one and I remember what it was like and that ignoring them never worked.  Why’d you forget?”

Comment #27: KeithM  on  09/09  at  11:35 PM

*Flunking your classes

This is the only choice among your otherwise excellent choices which will fall flat.  There’s far too many US undergrads who feel doing that is actually something to be proud of as a sign of being “rebellious” and “edgy”.....even a few at my undergrad….rolleyes

Might I suggest:

* Listening to fingernails scratching blackboard for 30+ minutes

* Reading dense, jargon-filled, horridly written poli-sci textbooks/monographs/journal articles for 7 hours straight

* Stranded in the middle of Death Valley

* Listening to Vanilla Ice’s entire debut album

Comment #28: exholt  on  09/09  at  11:38 PM

Yeah - the ignore the bully thing works only sometimes, and usually after the bully has escalated to the max trying to force a response. I tried it in middle school, with the result that my classmates went from name-calling, ostracizing, and generally meanness, to pushing me down metal staircases and whipping me with jump-ropes.

They did quit after a staircase pushing led to me falling into the middle of a pack of teachers at the bottom of the stairs. Something about them realizing they could have killed me in front of adult witnesses, I think.

Somehow I don’t think I want to see what people like Tucker Max and Rush Limbaugh consider maximum escalation.

Comment #29: Tapetum  on  09/09  at  11:43 PM

Why separate out the sex toy demonstration? A douchebag olympics with sex toys as prizes would be full of win.

Comment #30: jalmondale  on  09/09  at  11:50 PM

There has been some mention here about Andrew Dice Clay, but when I read his blog, there wasn’t anything that would elicit even a snicker.  I mean Andrew Dice clay was stupid, but I do recall letting loose at least brief guffaw during his schtick.  This is just….stupid.  It isn’t clever or funny in the least.  I think A group of protestors being rancous and funny would show tuck tuck and his pals as like the miscreant losers they are

Comment #31: kitten parade  on  09/10  at  12:03 AM

This turd has fans?  Really?

I read the ‘women are whores’ bit and was laughing out loud—at what a truly pathetic, infantile, sad little shit he just acknowledged himself to be.  Without realizing it.  Because he thinks he’s the hero of the story.

Seriously, that story should scream ‘LOSER!!’ to anyone with more emotional maturity than your average two-year-old.  Though there seem to be enough adults around who don’t meet this standard…

Comment #32: A Canadian Girl  on  09/10  at  01:28 AM

Also, he ran this past all his ‘female friends’?  Yeah, sure.

Comment #33: A Canadian Girl  on  09/10  at  01:29 AM

Amen.  And this isn’t an issue limited to race, gender, or political affiliation.  Every time I hear a parent or teacher spout off that nonsense I call them on it.  Usually I get the rejoinder “But you don’t have kids!” The only response being “No, but I was one and I remember what it was like and that ignoring them never worked.  Why’d you forget?”

Agreed.  IME, the best way was to fight back so that they were cowed/pained into realizing it was not a good idea to pick on me without getting caught by the mostly unhelpful teachers and “adults”. 

I was fortunate, however, that the one time I was caught fighting back in second grade, the principal was clued in enough to understand the actual situation and actually told the bully and his parents that the bully has had a history of picking on me and other kids and consequently, he brought his injuries on himself.

Comment #34: exholt  on  09/10  at  01:34 AM

I think the only real good quality Tucker Max has is that he realizes that he’s a complete and utter useless douchebag. I’m inclined to think that really doesn’t help matters any.

Comment #35: BrianX  on  09/10  at  02:04 AM

There’s not really anything to be done about this- he’s counting on the protests for publicity. It’s probably right there in the fucking business plan he certainly drafted before he decided to be a writer. His fratboy fan base is going to literally eat his shit up because they want to be as big of assholes as possible but are a little short on ideas of how to project it to the world.

Comment #36: tb  on  09/10  at  02:54 AM

Amanda, I agree. I read the Broadsheet post and felt irritated, because I hate that “ignore the bullies” stuff. Didn’t work in elementary school, doesn’t work now. I do have a question, though. I teach college, and I let my undergrads make announcements in class. I have a feeling one might bring up our campus’s screening of this cinematic achievement. What should I do? I relate really well to my students (partly, I think, because I look close to their age) but I can’t talk about women’s rights to enjoy an orgasm or anything like that in my class. I would be kicked out so fast my head would spin. How do you consider walking the line between “fun and clever” and “not violating my students’ rights not to hear their instructor not talk about sex”? The alternative is to give it an “Okay, thanks,” like I do with all other announcements. Certainly the safe way to go, if I don’t want to land in the department chair’s office, but the department chair likes me so I think I could squeak past this one if someone does complain, as long as I don’t cross the line.

Comment #37: F. McGee  on  09/10  at  08:01 AM

Thanks for this post, Amanda. Arguing with assholes has been getting me down lately, and I have to remember it’s not my fault they refuse to stop being assholes.

I think the only real good quality Tucker Max has is that he realizes that he’s a complete and utter useless douchebag.

I don’t really see that. The only people who think so are those hairy-legged feminists who don’t see the humor in woman-hating, right? I think there’s a genuine pleasure in being an unmitigated sociopath who gets his behavior supported and reinforced by a sycophantic audience. I don’t think people like this suffer from any kind of self-esteem shortage.

By making sexual experimentation dangerous for women, he’s discouraging it, and less sex overall will be the result. 

Only the kind of sex women actually enjoy. But if women are too scared or cowed to refuse when it’s demanded of them, or it’s easy to rape and pretend it never happened, what’s the loss? Hell, they even have to pretend to enjoy it and think it’s funny when they get treated like shit for it. Hell, who cares what bitches like as long as they put out?

I still don’t understand that point of view, but I think I can follow it at least well enough to parrot it.

Comment #38: junk science  on  09/10  at  10:35 AM

F, I don’t think you should let this turd put you in any danger.  I’d just let it go in class, and then perhaps contact a campus feminist group and suggest counter-programming/protests.

Comment #39: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/10  at  10:52 AM

Is Tucker Max still stealing our oxygen? I am completely astounded that his brand of humor is still around. Misogyny simply isn’t funny. I argue that what Tucker Max says amounts to hate speech.

Comment #40: AuntieMay  on  09/10  at  11:02 AM

Another parallel to Rush Limbaugh: Just because there aren’t thousands of man-hating feminists whining for apologies (when in fact they are scandalizezd and a little titillated by his bad-boy rightness) doesn’t mean he won’t tell his fans there are. So you might as well react the way you want.

But there’s nothing lamer than demanding an apology. It’s a no-win situation.

Comment #41: RickMassimo  on  09/10  at  11:08 AM

F,
I disaagree with Amanda’s advice about how to handle it in class.  The other, yes - don’t risk your job, do contact a group with the info for a counter of some sort. 
Try silence, followed by “Is _____ really showing that?  How disappointing/I thought better of them/etc.” 
Suprise mixed with mild disgust/disdain.  If you really are liked, considered even a little hip, that will have a big impact with little risk.

Comment #42: helen w. h.  on  09/10  at  12:10 PM

junk science:

He’s actually pretty much admitted as much, or at least has in the past. (Whether success has gone to his head since the last time I read his stuff, which was something like five years ago, I don’t know.) It’s a weird mix of narcissism and low self-esteem—if it reminds me of anyone, it’s Howard Stern.

Comment #43: BrianX  on  09/10  at  12:33 PM

Oh, well, good for him.

Comment #44: junk science  on  09/10  at  12:53 PM

For sufficiently small values of “good”. Frankly, he gets pretty tedious.

Comment #45: BrianX  on  09/10  at  02:51 PM
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