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The Wachovia Center Tried To Kill Sarah Palin’s Family

imageLast night, Sarah Palin was resoundingly booed at the Wachovia Center before the Flyers game.  Over the past week, several members of McCain/Palin audiences have declared that various people are terrorists, traitors and deserve death. 

What do these two things share?  Equivalency, duh. 

Booing Obama… Bad.
Booing 6 year-old little girl & daughter of Republican… Good!

All week we’ve heard about how angry and mean the Republicans are because of 4 or 5 hecklers at the McCain-Palin rallies.
The McCain-Palin campaign has even been compared to well known Democratic racists.

Tonight—Leftists at the Philadelphia Flyer’s game booed Sarah Palin, her daughter Willow, and her 6 year-old daughter Piper as they went on the ice to drop the first puck of the season:

Governor Palin thought the big Democrat city would not boo a 6 year-old.
Apparently, she was wrong.

No offense, but using your six-year-old daughter as a boo shield is a little bit scummier than the good people of Philadelphia booing you for cynically using your six-year-old daughter as a boo shield.  Glenn Reynolds is angry - angry, angry…sorta angry - that after years of mainstream Democrats fantasizing about killing George W. Bush (Democrats like…you know…the, uh…well, if you think about it like…Democratic Underground, okay?), the MSM is putting false equivalence between rallies where screened Republicans shout out threats and accuse their opponent of being a terrorist and a traitor in front of the Republican ticket and random people that Reynolds can’t even name fantasizing about doing bad things to Bush.

In fact, it’s not just that Democrats are evil hatemongers that Republicans are just catching up to.  Republicans are actually justified in insane public displays of hatred because the media hasn’t projected random internet postings to national scandals.

The Angry Left has gotten away with all sorts of beyond-the-pale behavior throughout the Bush Administration. The double standards involved—particularly on the part of the press—are what are feeding this anger. (Indeed, as Ann Althouse and John Leo have noted, the reporting on this very issue is dubious). So while asking for McCain supporters to chill a bit, can we also ask the press to start doing its job rather than openly shilling for a Democratic victory? Self-control is for everybody, if it’s for anybody. . . .

How in God’s name does the modern conservative movement propose leading us against the challenges of the 21st century when they turn into a bloodthirsty mob every time some forum post doesn’t make the evening news?  Al-Qaeda could turn the GOP into cannibals just by putting up a Huffington Post article about how tasty liberal flesh is.  Never have such whiners asked for so much for being worth so little.  In their mind, Barack Obama is a terrorist Arab nigger - not because he, you know, is, but because they’ve wholeheartedly embodied the Nixonian penchant that a slight against them is worth the completely and utter destruction of everything they allegedly hold dear in order to make things “right”. 

The only question now is when one of these conservatives decides that they’re an elite sniper who needs to dig themselves out of their mounds of Soldier of Fortune magazines and empty bags of Doritos and destroy the Great Negro Muslim Terror before he converts their children to tiny Islams and, I don’t know, gives them better healthcare. 

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 07:35 AM • (67) Comments

Can we also ask Reynolds not to use the verb “chill?” Glenn ... dude ... you are so not cool. Who do you think you are kidding?

Comment #1: FearItself  on  10/12  at  09:51 AM

“the MSM is putting false equivalence between rallies where screened Republicans shout out threats and accuse their opponent of being a terrorist and a traitor in front of the Republican ticket and random people that Reynolds can’t even name fantasizing about doing bad things to Bush.”

Where have you been? Didn’t you know that calling someone an Arab nigger and a terrorist is on the same level as booing a VP candidate? Get with the program. Become a wingnut! Yeah!
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Seriously, this kind of crap needs to STOP!

Comment #2: marymeister  on  10/12  at  10:09 AM

“Over the past week, several members of McCain/Palin audiences have declared that various people are terrorists, traitors and deserve death. “

BS. 

Remember Reverand Wright. Obama sat in his pew for 20 yrs.

Liberals found someone they can bully; Sarah Palin’s 6 yr old daughter.

Comment #3: KLH  on  10/12  at  10:31 AM

If I’d only known that the Angry Left was hanging out at hockey games I’d try to get out more often.  Who knew?

Comment #4: Melinda  on  10/12  at  10:49 AM

Well, Reverand Wright; should defanitely not have booed Sarah Palin’s 6 yr old daughter.  I’ll give you that.  But everyone knows that hockey fans are socialist thugs.

Comment #5: Michael Bérubé  on  10/12  at  10:51 AM

Palin’s team knew she would get booed. Philly fans boo Santa Claus. I think they did this gig on purpose, knowing full well what the outcome would be so that they could use it later.

Comment #6: Roxanne  on  10/12  at  10:51 AM

KLH - it’s BS, except for all the times they did it.

I wasn’t aware that the audience was responsible for Sarah Palin dragging her kids out as shields.  I suppose when she decided to allow rape victims to be charged for rape kits, it was okay because little Bristol was on her lap playing with Barbies.

Comment #7: Jesse Taylor  on  10/12  at  10:53 AM

Egads!  The McCain/Palin thugs are resisting by breaking things and setting things on fire!

Comment #8: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  10:54 AM

Egads!  The McCain/Palin thugs are resisting by breaking things and setting things on fire!

Is there some other blog you read before you mistakenly comment here?

Comment #9: Jesse Taylor  on  10/12  at  11:04 AM

“Is there some other blog you read before you mistakenly comment here?”


No, sir, it is this very blog.  Yup, this one, but during your hiatus.

Comment #10: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  11:05 AM

I don’t think anyone really has anything against Sarah Palin’s six-year-old daughter. This may just be me, but I think they may have actually been booing Sarah Palin.

Just a thought.

Comment #11: Ryan  on  10/12  at  11:14 AM

KLH…

So you can’t stand the truth and thinks it’s OK to hide behind your 6-year-daughter - you’re clearly a modern conservative. You didn’t really need to post the gratuitous brain fart about Wright to clue us in. A question for you: Why are conservatives such cowards?

Comment #12: jjcomet  on  10/12  at  11:15 AM

Egads!  The McCain/Palin thugs are resisting by breaking things and setting things on fire!

Horace Rumpole on 10/12

HR

<a href=‘http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fbpZXivv-M’>Watch this<a>, (don’t worry, it’s only 1 1/2 mins long) and then come back and tell me that none of those people will break things or set things on fire if Obama is elected.

Comment #13: atheist  on  10/12  at  11:32 AM

Sorry, bad link, s/b <a >this</a>

Comment #14: atheist  on  10/12  at  11:48 AM

Atheist, quotation marks instead of apostrophes in the link.

Comment #15: Ruby  on  10/12  at  11:59 AM

I smell a wager.  If the riotous mob of Bethlehem burns Bethlehem to the ground, I will buy you a Coke.

Comment #16: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  12:00 PM

Horace, are you losing whatever microscopic grip you had on reality?...

Comment #17: MikeEss  on  10/12  at  12:07 PM

KLH, Palin should be investigated by child protective services for even bringing that kid to a hockey game, let alone the Flyers.

Seriously - more vile language and violence than an R movie! 

The RNC and McSame campaign, and Palin, simply demonstrated their geographic ignorance and had their assumptions that hockey fans and pickup driving working class types =“my people” challenged.  She makes much about how “hockey moms” are vicious beasts .  This time, she got the lipstick end.

You and Horace can go make out in the stands though - lots of violent man on man action to turn you on.

Comment #18: Ms Kate  on  10/12  at  12:12 PM

I smell a wager.  If the riotous mob of Bethlehem burns Bethlehem to the ground, I will buy you a Coke.

So, you don’t believe that any of those people would resort to violence? Is that what you are saying?

Comment #19: atheist  on  10/12  at  12:15 PM

“So, you don’t believe that any of those people would resort to violence? Is that what you are saying?”

Well, I wouldn’t just give away a Coke, would I?

Comment #20: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  12:28 PM

Well, I wouldn’t just give away a Coke, would I?

So, yes, you think they might, but reserve the right to doubt?

What do you think about the chances that those people in the clip might resort to violence? State your opinion of the chances clearly.

Comment #21: atheist  on  10/12  at  12:42 PM

I think that the chances are far greater that Jesse will write in a vote for Wallace/LeMay.

Comment #22: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  01:02 PM

Of course, if/when said violence does occur, Rumpole of Ruby Ridge will be shocked, shocked at such an occurance and will vigorously work to the fullest to deny that he nor his ideological allies had absolutely anything at all to do at all with the attack.

Y’know, much like their attitudes on calling ‘em uppity negroes yet not being racists.

Comment #23: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/12  at  01:08 PM

I think that the chances are far greater that Jesse will write in a vote for Wallace/LeMay.

Ah. Extremely unlikely, in your view.

Very well, viewing the people in that video, it seems likely to me that some of them could commit some violence in the event that Obama is elected. So now we understand each other’s point of view better, and the discussion has advanced.

Comment #24: atheist  on  10/12  at  01:40 PM

Crazy, but yeah, I was pretty sure it was Palin they were booing, but to be fair and reasonable, they would’ve booed anyone. And this was known. Anyone with half a brain KNEW they were going to get booed and were vaguely surprised nothing worse occurred (no octupi? We could’ve thrown moose meat to be alaska patriotic) The candidates knew it, so she pushed her family out on the ice too (remember, the family she wanted to keep private and out of the campaign?) so they could later complain about the meanie Obama supporters who boo children (WHO WERE WITH THEIR VP MOM).
Still not worse than McCain joking about ugly Chelsea, though.

Comment #25: Tenya  on  10/12  at  02:07 PM

“So now we understand each other’s point of view better, and the discussion has advanced.”

...I’m not so sure.  I already understood Rumphole to be unable to imagine threats against Obama being carried out and therefore dismissing any possibility of that happening.

Many of the rest of us are all too aware of American history, and aware that domestic terrorism springs almost (highlighted for Rumphole’s benefit) exclusively from the rightwing, at least what we understand it to be, idiots like Goldberg not withstanding.

I add that I was 7-years old when MLK was assassinated, and 8 when RFK was assassinated, so I’m personally too aware of the past to dismiss threats against Obama out of hand.

As far as I’m concerned, the discussion will not advance until Rumphole acknowledges that these things are actually possible, have happened before, nothing has occurred to make them any less possible now, and they become more likely as the rhetoric heats up.

As long as he pretends it’s impossible, there’s nothing to discuss with him…

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  10/12  at  02:20 PM

Well, I mean, Sarah Palin went to a hockey game in Philly and got booed. Therefore, leftists and liberals are violent.

Who can argue with airtight logic like that?

Comment #27: atheist  on  10/12  at  02:24 PM

Anyone with half a brain KNEW they were going to get booed and were vaguely surprised nothing worse occurred

True, and Palin and the McCain campaign figured that it might be possible to exploit a bunch of victimhood out of it. These people are nothing if not the sort to attempt to gain advantage via incessant whining. Americans are built of sterner stuff than crybabies like Palin and the McCain campaign who apparently can’t handle some booing. It’s like they want to shame us into voting for them out of sympathy for how weak and pathetic they are.

Comment #28: Tyro  on  10/12  at  02:30 PM

Horace, I highly recommend against posting on blogs while drug.

Comment #29: Tyro  on  10/12  at  02:31 PM

While drunk, that is. Or drugged.

Comment #30: Tyro  on  10/12  at  02:44 PM

I’m sorry, but if she actually knew anything about hockey, she would know not to bring her kids to a Flyers game.  Their fans don’t want to be subjegated to random political bs, they want to watch their f-ing hockey game that they paid a lot to see.  These fans booed Santa Claus, for goodness sake. 

Way to attempt to use your kids as a shield.  Very responsible.

Comment #31: Emma  on  10/12  at  03:45 PM

My fellow Philly fans didn’t disappoint.  I LOVE this city!

And, yes, the decision to have Palin’s daughters there was very deliberate, damn well knowing what we are like at our sporting events, to deflect attention away from the recent racist antics at their rallies.

Comment #32: Kathy  on  10/12  at  04:39 PM

Okay I give up: what’s the connection between hockey and octopi?

Comment #33: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/12  at  04:49 PM

Hey Bristol was there too, how do they know it wasn’t her the fans were booing?  I mean, it’s obvious they weren’t booing Palin - she has so much in common with all us regular folk in Philly.

Comment #34: ol cranky  on  10/12  at  04:51 PM

Once again, the oh-so-tough-and-hardy conservatives resort to crying like babies and throwing around names because someone was mean to their god-figure.

Remember, they’re big and tough, and we liberals are weak and wimpy.

WATB indeed.

Comment #35: Damian  on  10/12  at  05:03 PM

Okay I give up: what’s the connection between hockey and octopi?

this

Comment #36: Thlayli  on  10/12  at  05:15 PM

Okay I give up: what’s the connection between hockey and octopi?

I don’t know if it happens anywhere else, but its a tradition in Detroit to throw octopi onto the ice during the playoffs.  Originally, when the league was smaller, it took 8 playoff game wins to get the Stanley cup . . .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legend_of_the_Octopus

Since 1952, because the tossing of octopuses is generally viewed as a successful symbol of good luck, the practice has persisted each year; in one 1995 game, fans threw 36 octopuses, including a 30-pounder.

Comment #37: rea  on  10/12  at  05:20 PM

No one with sense expects hockey fans to be polite.

Yes, it would have been nice if Palin would have been greeted by a mass rush to get (or remove) beer. But these are hockey fans - booing comes even before beer in importance. Hockey mom Palin ought to know that.

Comment #38: NancyP  on  10/12  at  05:34 PM

<i>Liberals found someone they can bully; Sarah Palin’s 6 yr old daughter.<i>

Dude, my four hockey-loving Republican brothers would beat the crap out of you for implying they’re liberals.  And they still would have booed Palin if she appeared at their hockey game.

Comment #39: Mnemosyne  on  10/12  at  05:48 PM

We don’t know that these boorish and rude hockey fans were even liberals or would identify as liberals or even democrats.

They have, however, identified themselves as NOT LIKING PALIN!

One can dislike her, and her ticket, without necessarily being all cozy about Obama.

Comment #40: Ms Kate  on  10/12  at  07:05 PM

“Many of the rest of us are all too aware of American history, and aware that domestic terrorism springs almost (highlighted for Rumphole’s benefit) exclusively from the rightwing, at least what we understand it to be, idiots like Goldberg not withstanding.

I add that I was 7-years old when MLK was assassinated, and 8 when RFK was assassinated, so I’m personally too aware of the past to dismiss threats against Obama out of hand.”

Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and James Earl Ray.  Which of these characters were hatched after devouring the collected works of William F. Buckley?  Oswald was your ideological fellow-traveller, Sirhan was, at best, a supporter of the PLO which was never beloved by the American Right, and Ray was a petty criminal with no known political inclinations or involvement.  I’d also wager that the assasin of Malcom X was not a Republican either.  The post-Rodney King trial riots?  Young Republicans, I’m sure.

This meme is simply your attempt to silence legitimate political opposition with feigned concern for Obama’s safety.  To resurrect your credibility, perhaps you could link to your condemnation of some of the Bush assasination porn that we’ve seen over the years.  Likewise your condemnation of Ludacris and Obama’s friendly relationship with him, putting John McCain in a wheelchair and such.

Comment #41: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  07:58 PM

You know, for people who consider themselves so tough—-pit bulls and all that—-conservatives sure do seem to whine a lot.

Comment #42: Bitter Scribe  on  10/12  at  08:02 PM

Horace, if you don’t want liberals to worry about the safety of Obama, then don’t have McCain/Palin rallies turn into violent hate-fests, stop conservatives from providing aid and cover to domestic terroristss like Eric Rudolph, and put a stop to the violent anti-govenrment rhetoric on right-wing talk radio. Until that happens, many of us are going to worry about the sanity and potential danger of McCainiac and Palinist fanatics.

Comment #43: Tyro  on  10/12  at  08:11 PM

My Philly-bred girlfriend pointed out to me that it was Eagles fans who booed Santa Claus.

Comment #44: Hershele Ostropoler  on  10/12  at  08:32 PM

I stil say that if Sarah Palin had come out on skates they would not have booed. I bet everyone who walks on those carpet thingies gets booed.

I know nothing about hockey. I live in an area where ice is not a natural phemonenon. You might get frost on the windshield and there was an ice storm ten years back, but consistent below-freezing temperatures are unknown.

I do not understand the ways of the alien ice people. But I do know that if you claim kinship with a tribe and that tribe likes skating, you should skate.

Comment #45: Bacopa  on  10/12  at  09:01 PM

<i>this meme is simply your attempt to silence legitimate political opposition with feigned concern for obama’s safety. </ib>

legitimate political opposition = “he’s a terrorist” “kill him” “off with his head”

point taken.

Comment #46: skippy  on  10/12  at  09:02 PM

Mr. Rumphole, would you like to own Mr. McVeigh and Terry Nichols?

Or would you rather own Randy Weaver & Ruby Ridge, and David Koresh and the Branch Davidian religious nuts, with their child molestation and arms collecting/dealing — the men and the incidents that inspired McVeigh and Nichols?

I don’t really care, as they are all unquestionably products of the right wing.

...oh and let’s not forget that special tome that played such a pivotal role in McVeigh’s thinking:  The perennial favorite of radical leftists everywhere, The Turner Diaries, written by that well known Marxist, Leninist, Maoist left wing Dirty Fucking Hippie William Luther Pierce.

The Turner Diaries was so important to McVeigh that, “At dawn on April 19, as he drove toward the Murrah Federal building, McVeigh carried with him an envelope whose contents included pages from The Turner Diaries, a fictional account of modern-day revolutionary activists who rise up against the government and create a full scale race war. He wore a printed T-shirt with the motto of the Commonwealth of Virginia, Sic semper tyrannis (“Thus ever to tyrants”, which was shouted by John Wilkes Booth immediately after the assassination of Abraham Lincoln) and “The tree of liberty must be refreshed time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants” (from Thomas Jefferson).”

Choose carefully!...

Now, to be fair to the Jonah Goldberg-level of right wing thinking, Martin Luther King was a leftist.  And since William Luther Pierce’s middle name was also “Luther”, that must be proof that everything bad is from the Left…

Comment #47: MikeEss  on  10/12  at  09:07 PM

Dammit, I forgot The Order.  Rumphole, you get to own them too. 

They were so inspired by that radical leftist William Luther Pierce and The Turner Diaries they named themselves after the fictional group depicted in the book.

They were a nice bunch of fun-loving leftists too.  “In order to fund their goals, the Mathews-led Order committed a series of violent crimes. Their first criminal effort was unspectacular: the robbery of a sex shop, which netted them less than USD $400. Afterwards, the Order’s attacks were much more effective, committing several lucrative bank robberies, as well as bombing a theater and a synagogue. The Order ran a large counterfeiting operation, and executed a series of armored car robberies, including one near Ukiah, California that netted $3.8 million.”

See!  Just college frat pranks! 

Oh and they killed Alan Berg too, but he was dirty fucking liberal so he deserved it…

Comment #48: MikeEss  on  10/12  at  09:16 PM

Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, and James Earl Ray.  Which of these characters were hatched after devouring the collected works of William F. Buckley?

James Earl Ray.  What, you forgot about “Why the South Must Prevail” (PDF) and “On Negro Inferiority”?  Buckley was a straight-up, flat-out racist who hated King.

Do you even stop to think about these things before you post?  Geez.

Comment #49: Mnemosyne  on  10/12  at  09:19 PM

Anyone else notice that Rumpy’s list of assassins stops at 1968?  You’d think McVeigh and Rudolph never existed.  Or you’d have to think that what they did was good and right, so you don’t consider them terrorists.

Comment #50: Mnemosyne  on  10/12  at  09:23 PM

I’d like Horace to actually link over to the Bush assassination porn. I keep hearing about this stuff, but like the Wumpus, you never actually see it - just rumors that it exists. You’d think the Secret Service would want to be all over that stuff.

Comment #51: mythago  on  10/12  at  10:15 PM

“Get in their faces . . .”


http://www.komonews.com/news/local/30849324.html

Comment #52: Horace Rumpole  on  10/12  at  10:58 PM

Oh Horace!  I am so sorry I ever doubted you!  I never realized there were thousands of McCain sign torchings committed by Dirty Fucking Hippies or their evil offspring all across our great land!

We have met the enemy…and he is Michael Moore!...

Comment #53: MikeEss  on  10/12  at  11:19 PM

The greatest ‘terrorist’ plotting found since 9/11 was these fellows here:

The Tyler poison gas plot was an American attempt at domestic terrorism thwarted in April 2003 with the arrest of three individuals in Tyler, Texas and the seizure of a cyanide gas bomb along with a large arsenal that included at least 100 other conventional bombs, machine guns, an assault rifle, an unregistered silencer, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition.[1][2] The chemical stockpile seized included sodium cyanide, hydrochloric acid, nitric acid and acetic acid.[1]

The three individuals were linked to white supremacist and anti-government groups. They were:[1]

  * William J. Krar, originally from New Hampshire
  * Judith Bruey, Krar’s common-law wife
  * Edward Feltus of Old Bridge, New Jersey

Feltus was a member of the New Jersey Militia. Krar was suspected of making his living travelling across the country selling bomb components and other weapons to violent underground anti-government groups.[1] Federal authorities had their eye on Krar since at least 1995 when ATF agents investigated a possible plot to bomb government buildings, but Krar was not charged.[2] Since the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks their attention was focused on middle-eastern terrorist activities and were only alerted to Krar’s recent activities by accident when he mailed Feltus a package of counterfeit birth certificates from North Dakota, Vermont and West Virginia, and United Nations Multinational Force and Defence Intelligence Agency IDs.[2] The package was mistakenly delivered to a Staten Island man who alerted police.[1]

Comment #54: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  10/13  at  01:27 AM

Booing someone is not the same as threats of violence.

Booing someone is not spreading lies about their past or their agenda.

I’m increasingly thinking about starting a restaurant just so I can fuck with republicans. Whenever someone comes in wearing a GOP-style shirt and they order chicken, I’ll serve them an egg (since they’re the same thing!) and if they complain and send the food back, I’ll call the police and tell them that the customer just threatened to burn my place down.

Comment #55: Mighty Ponygirl  on  10/13  at  09:56 AM

E.L.F.; Greenpeace; PETA; MOVE; the S.L.A.; FALN .  .  .

Comment #56: Horace Rumpole  on  10/13  at  10:20 AM

Greenpeace. Now there’s some scary, scary people. I hear they tried to save a whale once.

Comment #57: atheist  on  10/13  at  10:49 AM

Horace

You left out the scariest of all:

SCREAM BARACKULA SCREAM

Comment #58: atheist  on  10/13  at  10:51 AM

BTW, when has PETA or Greenpeace done anything illegal in the USA?

As for the other groups, only one may be still active, the others died out decades ago.

While we’re on the subject of old political terrorist groups:

The Black Legion was an additional organization within the Ku Klux Klan and operated in the United States in the 1930s. The organization was founded by William Shepard in east central Ohio. [1] The group’s total membership was estimated between 20,000 and 30,000, centered in Detroit, Michigan, though the Legion was also highly active in Ohio, and one of its self-described leaders, Virgil “Bert” Effinger, lived and worked in Lima, Ohio. The Associate Press described the organization on May 31, 1936, “as a group of loosely federated night-riding bands operating in several States without central discipline or common purpose beyond the enforcement by lash and pistol of individual leaders’ notions of “Americanism.” The death of Charles Poole, kidnapped and murdered in southwest Detroit, caused authorities to finally arrest and successfully try and convict a group of twelve men, thereby ending the reign of the Black Legion.

You’re not from Ohio or Michigan, are you, Horace?

Just saying.

Comment #59: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  10/13  at  11:34 AM

ELF Activities: “1998/1999 The ELF gained national attention for a series of actions which earned them the label of eco-terrorists, and one of the top domestic terror threats in the United States. This came after the burning of a ski resort in Vail, Colorado, on October 19, costing $12 million.

Actions also included sabotaging power lines, the burning of an SUV dealership and the burning down of a logging headquarters causing $1 million in damages. The Elves wrote to the local paper “Let this be a lesson to all greedy multinational corporations who don’t respect their ecosystems,” with most actions taking place in Oregon. The defendants in the case were later charged in the FBI’s “Operation Backfire”, which included 17 acts of property destruction.

The ELF then set fire to the Michigan State University on New Years Eve, using a gasoline bomb to cause $1.1 million in damages, because of their GMO-engineering. The next day, commercial logging equipment was set on fire, with “ELF” and “Go Log in Hell” spraypainted on a truck. In March 2008, four activists were charged for both the arsons. On November 27th, in Oregon, the ELF burned the Legend Ridge mansion and sent a message to the Boulder Weekly saying “Viva la revolution!” Damages were estimated at $2.5 million.

2000 In March, a total of thirty SUVs were torched, belonging to Joe Romania’s dealership, in Oregon, with damages estimated at $1 million. The action was claimed in support of Jeff “Free” Luers, who targeted the very same dealership and was in court for the charges at the time. He was then sentenced to twenty-two years in jail, later revised to ten.

2001 On May 21, a fire destroyed laboratories, offices and archives at the Center for Urban Horticulture, University of Washington, causing a total of $7 million in damages. After the ELF claimed responsibility for the arson, because they believed the University was involved in genetic engineering of poplar trees, an FBI spokeswoman in Portland, Oregon said “I don’t think there’s any doubt the ELF is upping the ante”.

2003 On August 1, a 206-unit condominium in San Diego was destroyed, with a banner left at the scene saying “If you build it, we will burn it”, signed “The E.L.F.s are mad”. The damages totaled $50 million dollars after flames reached an estimated 200 feet in the air, as over a hundred fire fighters attempted to put out the fire. The destruction was the movements most financially damaging action against a target, with a local preservation group calling the action pointless, noting that “You can go and burn something down, but it’s just going to get built again.” Exactly three weeks later, 125 SUVs and hummers were torched, costing a total of $3.5 million, with “I love pollution” spray-painted at the scene, and a month later homes being built in San Diego were targeted again, this time costing an estimated $450,000 in damages.

2005 The FBI’s most recent report stated that there had been over 1,200 “criminal incidents”, within January 2006. A nearly completed 9,600-square-foot trophy house, worth $3 million, was burnt to the ground in Washington. The Herald Net reported that a bedsheet was drapped across the front gate, with a threatening message spray-painted on it.

2008 One of the latest ELF arsons was reported on the morning of March 3, when explosive devices set fire to four multi-million dollar homes from the 2007 Seattle Street of Dreams in Echo Lake, Washington, costing $7 million in damage. Authorities described the act as “domestic terrorism” after finding “ELF” spray-painted in red letters, mocking claims that the homes were environmentally friendly: “Built Green? Nope black! McMansions in RCDs r not green. ELF.” A criminology professor replied saying: “The real unfortunate thing is many citizens will empathize with ELF because their goal is the environment.”“

A definite track record of domestic terrorism, for sure.  And disgusting to those of us who believe in the rule of law.

As I said above “Many of the rest of us are all too aware of American history, and aware that domestic terrorism springs almost (highlighted for Rumphole’s benefit) exclusively from the rightwing, at least what we understand it to be, idiots like Goldberg not withstanding.”  What part of “almost” are you not able to understand Rumphole?

I would also like you to explain how right wing terrorists who KILL PEOPLE are not as bad as left wing terrorists WHO DAMAGE PROPERTY.  A little help understanding that, please?...

Comment #60: MikeEss  on  10/13  at  11:50 AM

“What part of “almost” are you not able to understand Rumphole?”

The construction that renders your statement untrue.  On balance, there are more Leftist terrorists and groups that have operated in the U.S. - starting with the anarchists at the turn of the century, through all of our friends like the Weathermen, to the really cool doodz who vandalise and assault, such as Critical Mass and the anti-globalisation folks.


“I would also like you to explain how right wing terrorists who KILL PEOPLE are not as bad as left wing terrorists WHO DAMAGE PROPERTY”

You pretty much need to hang your hat on the fact that the very few rightwing terrorists have been competent in carrying out their terrorist objectives.  Ayers and co. tried to kill people (with improvised flechettes) but were simply unable to perform. 


Let us resolve one thing that I have yet to understand -

1) is the issue that Ayers has been rehabilitated, despite redoubling his support for his terrorist activities, rendering any relationship between Ayers and Obama insignificant?, or

2) Ayers was a legtitimate analog of George Washington, rendering any relationship between Ayers and Obama a credit to Obama, or at least, not a discredit? or

2) that Obama’s relationship with Ayers was of such an oblique nature so as to be insignificant?


Which of the three is the case?

Comment #61: Horace Rumpole  on  10/13  at  12:12 PM

Ayers ain’t got nothin’ to do with this, and in fact (with a quick search through this thread) you’re the first one to mention his name.

And while you claim the left produces more terrorists than the right, for some reason the rightwing terrorists seem to KILL PEOPLE and the terrorists on the left seem to DAMAGE PROPERTY.

And, before you climb up on your high horse with an example you find of a leftist group in America killing someone, one name: Timothy McVeigh.  I’m absolutely confident that the entire last 100-years of leftist terrorism hasn’t produced a death count to match McVeigh.  Alone.  And that doesn’t add in all the other rightwing terrorism-caused deaths.

And because you’re such a great guy, I’m going to remind you that lynching is a product of rightwing fascist thinking, whether the people responsible were technically Democrats at the time or not.  After the Southern Strategy was so successful, the two parties significantly reorganized with the Democratic racists becoming Republicans.  Since they’re your people now, you can have them all the way back.

Until the rise of Neonazis in America the Klan was the greatest domestic terrorism group in American history.  And get to own them too.

Nice crowd you hang with…

Comment #62: MikeEss  on  10/13  at  12:35 PM

The difference being that afterwards, Timothy McVeigh never came over John McCain’s house to play darts. 

Since when did this become a matter of bodycount?  The leftard terrorists try to kill people, but are quite simply incompetent and cannot execute their mission.  I don’t feel the need to further disown McVeigh, as I have in the past, whether you choose to beat that horse further still, his name being the only one you have at your disposal.

Comment #63: Horace Rumpole  on  10/13  at  02:34 PM

Sure, go ahead and dismiss McVeigh.  It’s not like those people/children killed really mattered, at least not as much as some burned out SUVs or a ski resort…

“I don’t feel the need to further disown McVeigh, as I have in the past, whether you choose to beat that horse further still, his name being the only one you have at your disposal.”

If the Right doesn’t own McVeigh, who does? 

And if you don’t own McVeigh, I don’t own “E.L.F.; Greenpeace; PETA; MOVE; the S.L.A.; FALN” either.  I will however admit those groups are leftist. 

Why can’t you accept that McVeigh, Weaver, Koresh, Neonazis, the Klan, etc., are products of the Right?...

Comment #64: MikeEss  on  10/13  at  03:09 PM

“Sure, go ahead and dismiss McVeigh.”

I never dismissed him.  I wholeheartedly supported his execution, as did John McCain.  I did never shake his hand.  Neither John McCain nor I served on the same board with him.  I did not endorse any books he wrote, nor did I practice law at his wife’s firm.  I never participated in an event in my honor at Timothy McVeigh’s home, nor did he ever attend dinner parties at my home or babysit my children.

Comment #65: Horace Rumpole  on  10/13  at  05:08 PM

It’s not like McCain knows anyone who praised a convicted criminal of anything….......

Why you should now be investigating this-McCain’s tacit support for a woman who had shot an abortion doctor. A woman of whom the sentencing judge said, quote, “You are a terrorist.” The senator sat at a 1993 fundraiser beside another woman who defended her. The other woman wound up a McCain delegate to the GOP convention last month.

And yet, McCain went, sat silently, offered no rebuke during or after the remarks of this woman, Marilyn Shannon, who praised a local woman who had just shot a doctor less than two weeks earlier. A doctor who was a former Navy flight surgeon, a sonogram pioneer, was shot in both arms because he performed legal abortions.

Unlike Ayers, who did not endorse terrorist activities during his meetings with Obama, this woman, Shannon, said of the shooter, as McCain sat there, quote, “She’s a fine lady.” A judge later sentenced this “fine lady” for a campaign of, yes, bombing women’s clinics said, quote, “Though, I am loathed to call anyone a terrorist, you are a terrorist.”

And Marilyn Shannon, who defended that terrorist, who later said her praise did not mean she approves of others doing what that terrorist did, as McCain renounced her even, she was a Bush delegate in 2004, seen here with a purple heart bandage, mocking the American combat veteran, John Kerry. This year, last month, she was a delegate for John McCain.

Comment #66: The Dark Avenger and Guardian of 10 Gold Chow Mein  on  10/13  at  05:46 PM

When toting up body counts to be laid at the door of “terrorists,” Left and Right, we should remember that aside from people who are ultimately losers, whether or not they succeed in killing dozens or hundreds first, the long legacy of lynchings, vigilantism, and general hell-raising like the murder of Matthew Shepard, for instance, by people who generally get away with it.

That stuff is overwhelmingly and clearly right-wing. Throw in legalized murder in union-busting actions by private security and public officials, and it is pretty clear where the balance lies.

Comment #67: Mark Foxwell  on  10/13  at  09:30 PM
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