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The whole stupid “debate” is likely moot

Making it illegal for illegal immigrants to buy health insurance in the U.S. as part of the health care bill is both inhumane and a waste of money.  So naturally, some of your more suicidally conservative Democrats are eager to pander to racists on this issue, as if nutbars like Joe Wilson will ever consider voting for Democrats.  But thanks to one of my hard-working tweeps who did the research so I didn’t have to, I’ve discovered the whole hand-wringing debacle over the fear that some illegal immigrant somewhere might buy health insurance is most likely moot anyway.  We don’t have to cover illegal immigrants from Mexico.  Why not? Because Mexico is already going to cover them.

Mexican migrants working in the United States may soon have their own affordable health insurance program. According to Mexico’s Health Department, it is launching a pilot program designed to encourage migrants who work in the states to sign up for the Mexican government’s Seguro Popular health insurance plan.

In 2003, Mexico set out to achieve universal health care, and from what I understand, they’re on track to reach their goal of doing so by 2012.  They’ve done such a remarkable job because they have—-you guessed it—-a public option that everyone who has a job can buy into.  (Except public sector workers, who are covered by a separate insurance system.)  They also have a system of federally run clinics to administer to basic health care needs, regardless of employment status.  It would be this public insurance that would reach out to migrant workers in the U.S. and encourage them to buy in.  Of course, covering bills incurred by Mexican citizens who go to U.S. providers will be very expensive for Mexico, especially since they’ve kept internal health care costs so low.  (About 1/3 of what the same procedures cost in the U.S.)  Still, it’s both the humane and fair thing for Mexico to do, because migrant workers in the U.S. are good for the Mexican economy, putting billions of dollars into their economy every year.  Unfortunately, the economic crisis in America has significantly reduced the average income levels of migrant workers in the U.S., which has impacted the remittance income tremendously. So the Mexican government is starting this pilot program even as immigration is making them less money. 

That’s because they’ve embraced the concept of basic decency towards your fellow human beings.  Would that Americans would do the same, especially considering how much illegal immigrants contribute to our economy.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 03:13 PM • (34) Comments

*sigh*  One more on the list of countries that’s more humane than our shining city on a hill.  Maybe one day we’ll join the civilized world.

Comment #1: libdevil  on  09/11  at  03:49 PM

So, in other words, American citizens won’t even have to pay for migrant workers to have health insurance—the government of Mexico will pay for it.  And yet somehow this will still be a drain on the taxpayer and prove that Joe Wilson was RIGHT!!!!

Comment #2: Mnemosyne  on  09/11  at  03:49 PM

and the rethugs will go after the mexican government for making it too easy, nay encouraging illegal immigration to the us, what with its treating migrants like actual human beings! THEY MUST BE PUNISHED AND SHUNNED! PUNISHED AND SHUNNED, i tell you.

and don’t you think a rethug government (god forbid!) would try to pressure the mexican health insurer to provide names and locations of its migrant clientele?

Comment #3: sophiefair  on  09/11  at  03:53 PM

How long before Mexico surpasses us in health care outcomes?

Comment #4: keshmeshi  on  09/11  at  03:54 PM

That’s because they’ve embraced the concept of basic decency towards your fellow human beings.

I don’t know if it’s that—this is the Mexican government we’re talking about, after all. However, they do understand that epidemics don’t stop at the edge of the barrio, or indeed at the Rio Grande. Also, unlike American Libertarians who focus soley on free movement of capital, the Mexican government understands that remittance money isn’t the only thing that travels back and forth over the border.

So I’d call it more enlightened self-interest. The truly sad part is, America’s Know-Nothings can’t muster up even that, and choose instead to work against their own interests on the off-chance that a Fortune 500 executive will take notice and smile approvingly upon them.

Comment #5: Gracchus.  on  09/11  at  03:55 PM

Wingnuts have been in a snit for a long time over the fact that Mexico doesn’t discourage and frankly encourages immigration to the U.S.  But being angry about that is fucking stupid, because the reason that Mexico is in this situation to begin with is NAFTA and other trade situations that drove down the price of corn in Mexico so much that it’s put huge numbers of previously doing okay farmers into the poorhouse.  Our desire to exploit them for cheap goods and labor is why they need remittances.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/11  at  03:57 PM

I somewhat hope the Joe Wilsons of the world don’t clue into this plan of the Mexican government’s, because I could see them pushing for a law barring doctors and hospitals in the U.S. from accepting Segura insurance.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/11  at  03:59 PM

It’s because empathy has been categorized as an evil for a good long while now among the wingnut and libertarian sets.

It’s been a very concentrated campaign of carefully taught sociopathy enforced by a strong (imaginary) system of punishment for even thinking about another person as a person. As long as they can be a concept, devoid from your everyday life or at least one you interact with on any human level, you can hate them and blame them for everything that goes wrong in your life or why you feel disconnected, sterile, and suicidal.

As that disconnection includes more and more people you reach the perfect level of happy corporate cog gleefully waiting for the end of the world so you can feel alive again.

Comment #8: Cerberus  on  09/11  at  04:02 PM

In 2003, Mexico set out to achieve universal health care, and from what I understand, they’re on track to reach their goal of doing so by 2012.

Oh thank god.  I was worried, the way the US was going, that North America would be down a first world country by the end of the century.  Seems like Mexico plans to even us out.

Thank you, Mexico.  You are an endless supply of good things we don’t deserve.

Comment #9: Zifnab  on  09/11  at  04:04 PM

No, the point is that the illegal immigrants are coming here because our non-socialized healthcare is The Bestest in the Whole Wide World (tm)—with free MRIs and massages at all overcrowded urban ERs!

/sarcasm

Comment #10: latts  on  09/11  at  04:14 PM

It will be fun to see what happens when the Mexican national health insurance organization negotiates a pricing scheme with US healthcare providers like Medicare does.

Wingnut howls of impotent outrage… such sweet, sweet music.

Comment #11: encephalopath  on  09/11  at  04:24 PM

Hot damn and hell yeah! Let’s all illegally immigrate to Mexico for sweet sweet healthcare!

Comment #12: jessilikewhoa  on  09/11  at  04:35 PM

@ jessilikewhoa

That’s actually been my plan since I got laid off, except legally immigrating to Europe, because my industry doesn’t exist in Mexico.

Comment #13: Emaloo  on  09/11  at  04:46 PM

<blockqupte>That’s actually been my plan since I got laid off, except legally immigrating to Europe, because my industry doesn’t exist in Mexico.</blockquote>

Yeah, my husband and I have six years or so of school left, but when we’re done we plan on applying for jobs in Canada. While I’m excited for health reform here in the States, I’m not terribly impressed by the way it’s being put together and would prefer to live somewhere where there is absolutely no chance my high medical costs can bankrupt us.

We’re actually about to start learning French, and hope to be at least basically proficient in six years, as that would raise our score to get into Canada as skilled workers. If we’re extra super lucky the hubs will just get accepted to grad school in Canada and we can move there in two years instead of six.

Comment #14: jessilikewhoa  on  09/11  at  04:57 PM

This kind of thing makes me so sad… then pissed! ... then sad… Ad Nauseum

Especially since a relative had just hit me with the republican “No healthcare for illegals” two days ago. I have no Idea how seemingly normal people can be so utterly ANTI-Empathetic.
Makes no sense to my simple ol’ noodle…

Though it IS nice to see Mexico stepping up to the plate.
Maybe I should brush up on my Spanish as well?

Comment #15: alcoolworld  on  09/11  at  05:24 PM

I was thinking that if this becomes widely known the Independent Women’s Forum or whatever other wingnutty group will use Mexico’s public option as “proof” that the public option will result in worse health care. Look Mexico has a life expectancy of 76 years while the good ol’ U.S. of A has a life expectancy of 78!
(All other factors are irrelevant.)

Comment #16: histro-geek  on  09/11  at  05:37 PM

The number of Americans moving to Mexico to retire has skyrocketed in the past decade, precisely because health care is so cheap there.  It’s always been my retirement plan, especially since building up the 401K as a writer seems impossible.

Comment #17: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/11  at  05:38 PM

I heard a story about that on NPR recently actually, entire communities are popping up of retired Americans who moved there for healthcare and the lower cost of living. It seems it’s much easier to stretch out a social security check in Mexico than in the US.

Comment #18: jessilikewhoa  on  09/11  at  05:51 PM

Wingnuts have been in a snit for a long time over the fact that Mexico doesn’t discourage and frankly encourages immigration to the U.S.

These are, of course, the same people who would probably scream for war if Mexico put capital restrictions on the US?

Comment #19: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/11  at  06:22 PM

So how does this solve any issues for Irish, Guatamalan, Honduran, Brazillian etc. illegal immigrants?

Comment #20: Ms Kate  on  09/11  at  07:15 PM

It doesn’t, but let’s face it: The reason that wingnuts have latched onto this is most illegal immigrants are Mexican.  Not all, but enough that should Mexico expand coverage like this, it will render the number of people in the U.S. that are deliberately excluded from health care to a teeny amount.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/11  at  07:30 PM

OT, but this will cause a major flurry:  two pro-lifers were murdered in Michigan, one of them while standing in his usual spot across from the town’s high school holding his bloody fetus sign.

Comment #22: Mnemosyne  on  09/11  at  07:34 PM

Mnemosyne, the impression I had was that one person was a pro-lifer, the other was the former boss of the shooter and that grudge was personal not political.  Still, will be a major shitstorm; pro-lifers are already demanding apologies from pro-choicers.

Comment #23: pennylane  on  09/11  at  07:57 PM

Mnemosyne, the impression I had was that one person was a pro-lifer, the other was the former boss of the shooter and that grudge was personal not political.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it did turn out to be non-political—according to the story I linked to, the pro-lifer who was murdered was standing in a crowd of people protesting.  If the point was really to kill pro-lifers, the guy would have shot the protesters randomly instead of targeting a single person.

Still—shitstorm of stupid on the horizon.

Comment #24: Mnemosyne  on  09/11  at  08:09 PM

Still, will be a major shitstorm; pro-lifers are already demanding apologies from pro-choicers.

Fuck ‘em.  Tell them you’ll be carrying assault rifles to their protests to exercise your Second Amendment rights.

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  09/11  at  08:14 PM

Only one of the victims was anti-choice.  The murderer seems to have had a vendetta—-he was going to kill a third man he had a grudge against, but the police caught him first.  It doesn’t seem to have been a politically motivated killing, except maybe in the barest sense.

It certainly has no relationship to the murders and bombings that have come from people deep inside the anti-choice movement, who often had guidance and encouragement from the anti-choice movement.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  09/11  at  08:32 PM

Again, they don’t want health care for BROWN illegals.

Those blond Polish illegals I wrote about before?  Well it’s a crying shame that they’re leaving the country.  Stupid governmental red tape!  Their children are American, even!

Comment #27: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  09/11  at  10:55 PM

The ongoing problem in Mexico, tolerated by both parties in the US, is that the centre-right ruling party deals with the poor (and the working class that would otherwise vote it out of power) by tolerating its travel north. That’s starting to change, but it’s going to take a while before the ruling pols seek to keep the people who’d vote against them in country.

Comment #28: pseudonymous in nc  on  09/12  at  12:26 AM

It certainly has no relationship to the murders and bombings that have come from people deep inside the anti-choice movement, who often had guidance and encouragement from the anti-choice movement.

Absolutely and this bears repeating loud and often.  I seriously doubt they will find the phone number of a pro-choice organization in his car, for instance, nor are there websites with “Wanted: Dead or Alive” posters with pro-life protesters on them. 

And I’d just like to note that the pro-life movement, if they are really about the protection of life, ought to be protesting loudly for health care, right?  What could be more pro-life than that?  I bet some of those immigrants are carrying fetuses!

Comment #29: pennylane  on  09/12  at  08:19 AM

Holy fuck.  Via Digby, Dems are considering new provisions in health care reform that would bar illegal immigrants from buying private insurance in the exchanges even with their own money.  Not just barring them from subsidies or aid, but buying in with their own money.

http://www.mail.com/Article.aspx/politics/congress/APNews/Congress/20090912/U_US-Health-Care-Overhaul?pageid=1

The trolls are fucking winning.

Comment #30: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  09/12  at  11:04 AM

pro-lifers are already demanding apologies from pro-choicers.
Echoing the Fuck Them crowd. And goddamnit: I’d much, MUCH rather pay for health insurance for illegal immigrants then most of my fellow Americans: there should be an Opt Out for paying for bigots ,sexists, homophobic assholes. I swear to Maude conservatives would rather see people(esp. non white people) die then get any sort of social services. Unless of course it’s a precious, precious white fetus. GAH.

Comment #31: pitbullgirl65  on  09/12  at  02:39 PM

A personal experience with Mexican health care—I was on vacation with my wife in Cancun (courtesy of my in-laws) and was taking the last dose of penicillin for an ear infection acquired a week before. A few days after arriving, my palms started to itch like crazy so I took some Benadryl. Got some temporary relief, but the itching returned. That night I went to bed and then, around two, awakened my wife telling her I didn’t feel so hot. When she finally turned on the light, she discovered I had rashes and welts (softball sized on my butt)! She called the front desk which contacted a doctor on call. Half an hour later the doc arrived at our room, she examined me, gave me two shots of antihistamine and cortisone, told me to come to her office for a followup shot and get a script for topical cortisone. Total cost—$205! Imagine what the bill would be like here in the US for the ambulance, ER, exams, treatment and perscription.

Comment #32: revrick  on  09/12  at  03:09 PM

So, if we don’t offer a public option, American workers might start noticing their Mexican co-workers have better health care coverage than they do.

I HOPE, but don’t trust, that this will strengthen the push for public option for our country.

Comment #33: Samantha Vimes  on  09/12  at  11:55 PM

Bear in mind that non-resident US citizens such as myself aren’t eligible for Medicare or Medicaid when we visit the US, even though we are liable for US taxes on our foreign income.

Comment #34: Ginger Yellow  on  09/14  at  06:04 AM
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