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Then again, depends on how you define sensitive

Josh Eidelson and Alyssa Rosenberg are having a discussion about the humor about race, ethnicity, and gender on “30 Rock”, and it’s well worth reading.  All I’ll say is that I think both of them have a point.  Alyssa’s right that “30 Rock” is sometimes very incisive, and Josh is right that the episode where Tracy and Liz have to follow the same rules as everyone else was a stupid episode that didn’t really have a point.  Politically, “30 Rock” is all over the map, sometimes being incredibly subversive and sometimes graying into reactionary politics, and often in the same episode.  The show is grounded not in satire but in characterization, so I don’t really expect cutting edge political satire from it.  But Josh’s follow-up definitely outlines some of the things about the show that bother me, and I’ll add that it’s annoying that Jack is always right.

But one thing that Alyssa hints at that the show does consistently well on in the subversion department is its portrayal of mental illness.  I struggled with depression when I was younger, and it’s an experience that leaves me incredibly sad that there’s very little good humor out there about Teh Crazy.  Now, some people think the only appropriate response to the tragedy of mental illness is to be very serious about it, lest you be accused of being insensitive, but that’s always struck me as condescending.  Sure, jokes about mental illness that reduce and objectify the mentally ill suck, and I think the fear of this causes most comedy writers to mostly avoid the issue.  Oh, comedy leans heavily on neurosis, sure, but not mental illness.  “30 Rock” also leans heavily on neurosis, since nearly everyone on the show is neurotic, at least amongst the main characters.  (Probably the only ones who aren’t are Kenneth, Gris, and Dot Com.)  Everyone except Tracy Jordan, who is, as Alyssa notes, “straight-up mentally ill!”  You have a lot of kooky or neurotic characters on sitcoms, but mental illness is invisible.  Just even admitting that it’s real and it’s serious is subversive.

Of course, we don’t know exactly what kind of mental illness Tracy’s suffering from, because one of the running gags on the show is that he’s got one of those Hollywood doctors who is hired because of his incompetence and freedom with the prescription pad.  Likely, he’s bipolar or manic depressive.  He sinks into weeping temper tantrums with very little provocation, and he goes on manic streaks, running around town, staying up all night.  His prescriptions get all screwed up, and he goes completely batshit.

And they have a lot of fun with it.  But what they don’t do is use it to dehumanize Tracy or suggest his illness is the sum total of who he is.  On the flip side, they do something really subversive, which is they’ve created a character who is both mentally ill and still functions—-albeit with problems—-in the real world.  You know, like most people with mental illness do.  He’s not only competent at his job, he’s the glue that holds the show together.  He has a family and friends and a life, and even though he’s selfish and constantly fucking up his family life, you do get some episodes where he deals—-again, in the absurd way the show treats everything—-with his regret that his impulsiveness and mood swings (combined with his selfishness) affect his family.  And above all, as Alyssa points out, his mental illness is not portrayed as making him stupid.

On the contrary, to build on Alyssa’s point, one of the running jokes on the show is that people underestimate Tracy.  And not just because of racism, though that’s a large part of it.  It’s often because they judge him because of his mental illness and realize that being mentally ill doesn’t necessarily mean that you’ve lost your ability to think or perceive reality.  Okay, sometimes.  That’s the nature of the beast, after all.  But the other characters somewhat understandably have trouble separating Tracy’s genuine delusions of grandeur from his accurate assessments of his own formidable abilities, and it keeps hilariously biting them in the ass.  For me, though, I’m stoked to see someone with an out and out mental illness being shown as someone with formidable abilities, and it not being some kind of one shot Very Special Episode serious, condescending bullshit that implies that creative people with mental illnesses are necessarily idiot savants. 

They also play with and portray something that a lot of creative people who suffer from mental illness worry about, which is the fear that they owe their creative powers or their success to their illness.  “30 Rock” never succumbs to the urge to do a dreary sentimental portrayal of Tracy’s fears.  Instead, he flails comically all over the place, swinging between attempts to actually do something about all his problems and deciding that he prefers the devil he knows, because he’s utterly convinced his star hangs on his nutty, manic behavior.  The show darkly implies that he’s not wrong to think this, either, because Americans really do have a fascination with celebrity dysfunction that shades into encouraging it, with people like Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan as exemplars of the issue.  All of this means that it’s pretty well-established that Tracy isn’t going to get better, but I appreciate that, too.  A whole lot of mental illness is chronic, and people will struggle their whole lives with it.  Which means TV producers shy away from it because there’s no dramatic arc, and comedy especially avoids it because it’s a depressing thought.  Unless you’re a very dark, cynical comedy, that is, and “30 Rock” is definitely that. 

By employing Tracy’s mental illness as a darkly comic device, the writers and Tracy Morgan himself have created the only TV portrayal I can think of that shows mental illness in roughly the light that most people experience it.  It’s frustrating, but not the end of the world.  It’s chronic but manageable.  It informs his personality, but it’s not the sum total of his personality.  And he has the same ambivalent feelings a lot of people have about their own illnesses, where they worry that they’d lose part of themselves if they got better.  And by laughing about it, they aren’t condescending to mentally ill people.  On the contrary, they are mainstreaming them, instead of the usual TV strategy of erasure and silencing through condescending portrayals before shuffling the character off-screen. 

 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:43 PM • (47) Comments

Kay Redfield Jamison, a professor of psychiatry at Johns Hopkins, wrote a book “Touched with Fire: Manic-Depressive Illness and the Artistic Temperament,” about (you guessed it) the many, many artistic types who’ve been manic-depressive. She also wrote “An Unquiet Mind: A Memoir of Moods and Madness” about her own struggle with the condition. She thinks that being manic-depressive has made her much more productive, on the whole, than her “normal” colleagues. Since she responds well to lithium, she says she’d rather be manic-depressive than not.

Comment #1: Frederick R  on  08/04  at  07:16 PM

Now I have to actually watch the show.

Also, this:“It’s frustrating, but not the end of the world.  It’s chronic but manageable.  It informs his personality, but it’s not the sum total of his personality.” Yep. is my experience and my family members’ experiences with mental illness in a nutshell.

Comment #2: Dymphna  on  08/04  at  07:22 PM

A Brilliant Insight, and a brilliant post, Amanda!

Comment #3: KMTBERRY  on  08/04  at  07:28 PM

Excellent rundown on Tracy.  Also I like how you noticed as I have too that Tracy’s entourage of Grizz and Dot Com often seem like the only fully rational sensible people in the whole NBC building.  And for the record Jack’s *not* always right…he was wrong about the Little League team and had to go begging Tracy for help on that one, and he was wrong about the one hour fireworks show with the implication being that if Liz had been there he wouldn’t have screwed up that call and so forth….personally I think Tracy, Jack, and Liz are a trio who could rule the universe if they tried.  Certainly NBC and that’s pretty darn subversive when you think about it.

Comment #4: winnie  on  08/04  at  07:31 PM

Actually I like Tracy Morgan a LOT better on 30 Rock than I ever did on SNL.
And I think it’s because he was rather underutilized or given really awful characters with awful punchlines. I think that Keenan Thompson suffers from much of the same crap on SNL now.

Comment #5: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/04  at  07:32 PM

Danica,

While it’s apparently true (or has been true at times) that the SNL writer’s room suffers from a race problem, I think most of Tracy Morgan’s terrible characters (at least the ones that were front and center in the sketch) were written by him. At least, that’s the usual dynamic.

Comment #6: Auguste  on  08/04  at  07:48 PM

What about the autistic and OCD characters on Boston Legal? 

It’s not quite a ha ha comedy, but it isn’t serious drama either.

Comment #7: phylosopher  on  08/04  at  07:56 PM

Everything on “30 Rock” is better than “SNL” for the simple reason that everyone involved is good at doing character-driven comedy, better than they were at sketch comedy.  Plus, they’re making fun of stuff they directly experienced, and many of the actors are playing thinly disguised versions of themselves (Tracy Morgan), drawing on traits they’ve already got (Tina Fey, Alec Baldwin), or are sending up someone who is easy enough to figure out (Jane Krawkoski is rumored, believably, to be sending up Maya Rudolph).

Comment #8: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/04  at  07:59 PM

Yeah, I never watched that show.  There’s an OCD character on some crime drama, too.  I guess I find OCD and autism to be easier for writers to handle than the highs and lows of manic depression in fundamental ways, because OCD is easy enough to reduce to a dirty habit, autistic characters are usually objectified—-but manic depression probably hits too close to home for many writers.  Except on “30 Rock”, for reasons that have a lot to do with the darkness of the show in general.

Comment #9: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/04  at  08:01 PM

You should see if you can catch a presentation of Edward Albee’s “The Goat, or, Who Is Sylvia”. It has a very similar kind of situation, though it’s not quite the same thing. The main character’s mental state is left a bit open to question, but he’s also (by necessity) the one who provides sanity and stability through most of the play.

Comment #10: LongHairedWeirdo  on  08/04  at  08:18 PM

As a Bipolar 1 with many bipolar friends, I would say, no, it’s a little more than frustrating. Bipolar disorder has an ENORMOUS spectrum, and if you’re on the more severe end, you get pretty fucking bored being lectured by people on the less severe spectrum that it’s just a matter of discipline. I would be dead without pills- the misery would inevitably coincide with the will at some point. My cousin has been in jail; my grandmother spent months in bed where she did absolutely nothing, not so much manageable. I resent the normalization in this post of that which isn’t remotely normalizable- it’s fucking all over the map. I do appreciate the empathy expressed here, but, sorry, it’s wrong to suggest that bipolar disorder is confined to “frustration.” Without pills, I would be out of touch with reality for 1/2 a year- I’m seasonal.

But guess what, “reality” is often out of whack w.o. itself, and there’s a lot of insight to be garnered from losing touch with day to day definitions of “reality.” To suggest that bipolars are and, in fact, should be defined, as per norms, by their functionality in the bullshit terms of society, I take issue with.

Comment #11: samanthab.  on  08/04  at  08:33 PM

Samanthab,

I appreciate what you’re saying. I’m Bipolar II but I work with people in mental health crisis daily (I’m the one that gets to go to someone’s house when they’ve gone off meds and decided it’s the rest of the world that’s off and they are the only one that’s OK.) I’ve seen the psychosis and despair that goes with both the depression and the mania and you’re right—it’s not even on speaking terms with “frustration”.  But given the history of our media’s portrayal of mental illness (Buffalo Bill and Hannibal Lecter anyone?) I’m happy to see someone portrayed as functionally bipolar than as stabbing someone with a knife and contributing further toward the stigmatization of consumers. But thank you for the clarification on the subject. Since my experiences with bipolar actually are closer to “frustrating” when I’m medicated correctly, I need the reminder that I’m one of the lucky ones.

Comment #12: Chryslin  on  08/04  at  08:46 PM

Wait a minute here - Kenneth is *sane*?

Comment #13: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  08/04  at  08:49 PM

“There’s an OCD character on some crime drama, too.”

Monk?  The last time I caught the show, they’d diverged from the near-defining characteristic of his extreme germ-phobia to him talking about the first time it seriously affected his life (he couldn’t even start a public track event in high school until he’d made his shoe laces perfectly even, so he was there compulsively retying his shoes after everyone else had finished).  I found it way more humanizing than the weird “every episode he has to navigate around this obstacle” formula.

Comment #14: preying mantis  on  08/04  at  09:00 PM

Chryslin, I’m incredibly lucky to be able to have my experiences close to “frustrating” as well, thanks to my pricey pills. So I appreciate your points very much, and also (unspeakably so!) the work that you do. So far I haven’t seen any depiction that does better than Shakespeare’s fool, where you take the moments of incredible insight with the moments of complete silliness, and you learn to fucking roll with it, because that right there is a reasonable insight into life ( as least as I’ve experienced it, pre-bipolar and post-), at some scale or another.  I’d be interested in watching a little of 30 Rock after this post.

But, Christ, “manageable” doesn’t fucking cut it describe the L-O-V-E-L-Y bipolars I’ve met who just came out of year long catatonic states.

Comment #15: samanthab.  on  08/04  at  09:01 PM

I’d suggest trying Boston Legal - for network TV it does a decent job of leaving the grey area grey and not rushing character development.  So while there is a severe autistic/tourettes character, there is also an apsergers (undiagnosed).  Then there’s the Alzheimers victim who enters a same sex marriage for the health care protections - and yet there’s a question about the sexual orientation of both parties.

Comment #16: phylosopher  on  08/04  at  09:02 PM

I’ve always taken Jack being right most of the time as an example of how ingrained the conservative power structure he’s a part of is, no matter how unfair or inefficient or immoral this seem to Liz or the viewer- not an endorsement of Jack’s worldview, just an acknowledgement that like it or not this is how things often work.

Comment #17: Kubricks Rube  on  08/04  at  09:59 PM

Monk?

Bobby Goren, probably.

Comment #18: asdf  on  08/04  at  10:06 PM

Also, in really cheesy SciFi Walter Bishop has an unspecified mental illness.  Probably an example of how NOT do mental illness. When he was at his worst he stated an evil cult, but now that he is better (but not cured) he fights the evil cult he founded.  Also his mental illness is played for laughs a lot a la Monk, only much cruder humor and much more overt “aren’t mentally ill people a barrel of laughs? Only dangerous”.

Comment #19: Gar Lipow  on  08/04  at  10:12 PM

“Bobby Goren, probably.”

Is he actually supposed to have a mental illness/be neuroatypical?  I got that that was what the actor was going for, but I’ve never seen it actually made explicit.

Comment #20: preying mantis  on  08/04  at  10:30 PM

Samantha, I wasn’t trying to say that mental illness isn’t hard, not at all.  I was just saying that I’m sick of the objectifying, dehumanizing portrayals of it in most media.  I think it’s interesting how “30 Rock” has just injected an openly (most likely) bipolar character, and he’s allowed to have a job, a family, friends—-a life.  That’s all.  I wasn’t trying to downplay it.

In my mind, it’s like a lot of disability issues.  Disabled people are often objects of pity or moral lessons for the audience.  I resent that, and I know a lot of people do, as well.  I’m happy to see someone on TV with an open, obvious disability who is still….just a person at the end of the day.  Not a moral lesson and not an object of pity.

Comment #21: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/04  at  10:35 PM

I find OCD and autism to be easier for writers to handle than the highs and lows of manic depression in fundamental ways, because OCD is easy enough to reduce to a dirty habit, autistic characters are usually objectified

OCD is a much more multifaceted disease than is usually discussed in the media. While I have OCD, I am not neat at all, and I rarely see that reflected in TV or movies.

Other than that, terrific post.

Comment #22: RMJ  on  08/04  at  10:43 PM

I’m not sure, preying mantis.

Comment #23: asdf  on  08/04  at  11:32 PM

I’m another one for whom it isn’t just a frustration.

Schizo-affective here.  I’ve managed it largely without drugs for years, but part of what I had to do was to give up my writing, because the place that the language and imagery comes from is way too close to the place that the crazy comes from.  It was worth it, even though it felt a bit like voluntarily giving up one of my senses, because when the crazy is bad it’s so bad that it overwhelms anything good that comes from it.

Now I’m trying to re-engage with my creative impulses, something that I’ve missed dreadfully, without going nuts again.  I’ve found that it helps to focus on visual arts and craftwork rather than creative writing, but I’m still torn between wanting the art and creativity back and fear that it will unleash something awful.

Comment #24: Theadosia  on  08/04  at  11:38 PM

Too eager to blaspheme.

I meant to add, I do think it’s wonderful to have a character with a mental illness on TV who just has a life and isn’t defined by their illness.  I have two degrees and a fairly responsible, complex job.  Most of the people that I’ve ever worked with, and even most of my friends, have had no idea that I’m technically nuts.  ‘Eccentric’ and ‘nerdy’ with slightly deficient social skills, yes; ‘raving loony’ who sees things, no.

Comment #25: Theadosia  on  08/04  at  11:51 PM

I’m exquisitely sorry that the word “frustration” is so distracting.  I wasn’t in any way, shape, or form trying to downplay mental illness.  I used the word “frustrating” because that’s one of the ugliest emotions I personally feel.  Plus, I was describing how other people feel when trying to deal with someone who has a mental illness.  It’s frustrating.  It’s not angering—-it’s not their fault—-and it’s not necessarily sad, but it’s frustrating. 

If you watch the clip I use, I’d say that it’s a good representation of the situation on the show.  It’s not “just” a frustration when Tracy has an incident.  They have to physically restrain him and hide him away from people who wouldn’t be able to understand the situation.  They’re in a complete panic, because they’re relying on him and he’s not all there.  But they do get past it and it’s not the end of the world.  That was the point.  Life goes on.  Better yet, it’s played for laughs in the way everything else is, because they’re not making it out to be something precious.  Which is a huge relief, because I think making disabilities precious has an effect of dehumanizing people with them.

The point is that people with mental illnesses are not generally psycho killers or otherwise apart from the world, but that’s how they’re usually portrayed.  On “30 Rock”, the trend is bucked, and they do it without making a big fanfare about it, which is very subversive.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/05  at  12:13 AM

Sorry.  I was a little snappish.  Just feeling misunderstood.  Thanks for your thoughts on creativity and mental illness, Thea.  I think that people who haven’t had experience with the intersection have no idea how much it plagues people who are in the situation.

Comment #27: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/05  at  12:17 AM

S’okay, I didn’t read you as ‘snapping’!  You had the misfortune to write this very interesting, very useful article, just when I’m doing a pile of work trying to define and deal with a similar issue.

Comment #28: Theadosia  on  08/05  at  12:25 AM

I wonder if that new movie Adam is any good?

Comment #29: Doug S.  on  08/05  at  01:04 AM

I don’t know how I feel about Adam.  I think the portrayal of Aspergers by a character on the current run of Degrassi seems much more accurate.  The guy in the Adam trailer is kind of milking it.

Wait a minute here - Kenneth is *sane*?

Kenneth has a completely screwed up belief system based on a childhood that seems bizarre by almost any standards, but he does seem to be less neurotic than the others.  He isn’t without issues though.  Kenneth is the codependent of the group.

Comment #30: Eileen  on  08/05  at  01:22 AM

My rather massive case of inattentive attention disorder certainly has driven me to having a *very* wide angled view of things, because I friggin forget or miss the details.  So I can do certain things that few other people can do.

Then again, I can’t show it.  If I can’t actually get a handle on details, then I can’t properly explain anything to anyone.  Grammar and dropped words on internet scribblings is the least of it.

I think much of what is and isn’t mental illness is all about how useful that imbalance is to others, much as tobacco and tea is welcome and marajuana isn’t.  There isn’t really such a thing as sane, and most of the crazier people who’s still in touch know this.  Which is a nasty temptation to go off the damn (ill-fitting) meds.

Comment #31: shah8  on  08/05  at  01:41 AM

I actually recently reviewed a cookbook on Amazon (Eat Your Feelings by Heather Whalen) that mines quite a lot of its very, very dark humor from mental illness; as someone who’s suffered from chronic depression at least as far back as college (and possibly further), it was one of the most screamingly funny things I’ve read in a long time. It was as if Sarah Silverman had written a cookbook.

Comment #32: BrianX  on  08/05  at  01:41 AM

Hey, wasn’t Titus the big show about this sort of thing in it’s time?  Or Ally McBeal?  Or Arrested Development?

Comment #33: shah8  on  08/05  at  02:15 AM

“Bobby Goren, probably.”

Is he actually supposed to have a mental illness/be neuroatypical?  I got that that was what the actor was going for, but I’ve never seen it actually made explicit.

The character’s family has a history of mental illness (his mother was schizophrenic, as was his brother, I believe).

Comment #34: KeithM  on  08/05  at  03:57 AM

Thanks for clarifying somewhat, Amanda. I’m not big on rendering mental illnesses as precious, either, and this clip itself ain’t bad at all.

As far as your other argument, I’ve heard many people with mental illnesses putting forth the no meds means more creativity argument, but it’s one that I that I think has serious limits. First of all, my experience doesn’t bear that out- people on meds retain a fuckload of creativity, as best I’ve encountered them.

Secondly, this is a schpiel I’ve heard over and over from people whose symptoms aren’t that severe, and it gets old fast for that reason. Christ, I’m glad there are people that have that luxury, but it ain’t me, and it ain’t many people I know.

And, to add,of course class intersects with mental illness as well. Tracey has fucking handlers to keep him going; I’m buffeted by having been born upper middle class. The less well off, however, are in jail or on the street. It’s a lot easier to ruminate over the creativity- suffering dichotomy when you have resources to back you up. Maybe others here have different experiences, but I don’t hear this schpiel from the people I know on disability for their illnesses. I hear it again and again from people with resources.

Comment #35: samanthab.  on  08/05  at  08:16 AM

OCD is a much more multifaceted disease than is usually discussed in the media. While I have OCD, I am not neat at all, and I rarely see that reflected in TV or movies.

I know!  I have OCD and a big part of that is hoarding behavior.  I only care about neatness/organization for certain things which fit neatly into groups or categories.  This means that my apartment has a few islands of extreme organization in a sea of clutter.  It’s sort of paradoxical.  OCD is very complex, but it’s hard to portray that, especially because people with the disease are often very good at hiding it.  I guess that’s true of many mental illnesses, though.  I watch the show Monk, but I really don’t identify with the character, because his OCD symptoms are so different than mine.

Comment #36: bananacat  on  08/05  at  10:26 AM

Bobby Goren takes medication for some unspecified condition,his brother was homeless, I don’t think he was ever diagnosed with a specific ailment.

What really makes him outstanding from the rest of his family is his very high intelligence and psychological insight from growing up having to figure things out from a fairly early age. 

I haven’t watched the show in question, but the old sitcom Barney Miller treated mental illness as a part of life in the workday of the 12th Precinct, and dealt with issues ‘ripped from the headlines’.

Captain Miller’s own sanity was often under more pressure from his fellow officers and superiors than by the suspects, perps, and victims he came in contact with.

Captain Barney Miller (Hal Linden) tries to remain sane while leading the 12th Precinct’s detectives: crochety, nearing-retirement Jewish-American Philip K. Fish (Abe Vigoda); naive, gung-ho but goodhearted Polish-American Det. Stanley “Wojo” Wojciehowicz (Max Gail); ambitious, literate, arrogant African-American Det. Ronald “Ron” Nathan Harris (Ron Glass); philosophical, wisecracking gambler Japanese-American Nick Yemana (Jack Soo); and dauntless beleaguered Puerto Rican Chano Amanguale (Gregory Sierra). Miller also has to deal with his unapologetically old-school superior, Deputy Inspector Frank Luger (James Gregory), and diminutive and obsequious uniformed Officer Carl Levitt (Ron Carey), who passive-aggressively badgers Miller constantly about being promoted to detective. Amanguale was replaced by intellectual Arthur Dietrich (Steve Landesberg) from the third season on.

The show’s focus was split between the detectives’ interactions with each other and with the suspects and witnesses they detained, processed, and interviewed. Some typical conflicts and long running plotlines included Miller’s frustration with red tape and paperwork, his constant efforts to maintain peace, order, and discipline, and his numerous failed attempts to get a promotion; Harris’s preoccupation with outside interests, such as his living arrangements but mainly his novel (“Blood on the Badge”), and his inability to remain focused on his police work; Fish’s age-related health issues (incontinence), marital problems, and reluctance to retire; Wojciehowicz’s impulsive behavior and love life; Luger’s nostalgia for the old days with partners Foster, Kleiner and Brown; Levitt’s (eventually successful) quest to become a detective; the rivalry between the precinct’s resident intellectuals, Harris and Dietrich and continually - but reliably - bad coffee (usually made by Yemana).

Decades after its cancellation, Barney Miller retains a devoted following among real-life police officers, who appreciate the show’s emphasis on dialogue and believably quirky characters, and its low-key portrayal of cops going about their jobs. During his appearance on Jon Favreau’s Independent Film Channel talk show Dinner for Five Dennis Farina, who worked as a Chicago policeman before turning to acting, called Barney Miller the most realistic cop show ever seen on television. Hal Linden has told interviewers that he still occasionally gets called “Lieutenant” by working police officers.


From the Wiki on Barney Miller.

Comment #37: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/05  at  10:40 AM

I also thought Tracy Morgan’s acting on 30 Rock was largely informed by the 90s behavior of Martin Lawrence.

Comment #38: norbizness  on  08/05  at  10:43 AM

I have OCD and a big part of that is hoarding behavior.  I only care about neatness/organization for certain things which fit neatly into groups or categories.  This means that my apartment has a few islands of extreme organization in a sea of clutter.

Oh, God, this. I have the veritable alphabet of disorders; Bipolar II, SAD, adult ADHD (apparently, it’s just ADD now that I’m older), OCD, and a nice heaping serving of anxiety issues to finish it off. (My genetic legacy is one of severe suck, ye gods. My entire birth family is what could be referred to very generously as ‘seriously fucked up’.) When I try to explain to people that no, OCD does not always mean what the popular view is—intensely neat, touching doorknobs, what have you—I get weird looks and ‘but you’re so messy!’ type bits of confusion.

My OCD is contained to weird areas; my apartment is cluttered all to hell and back 75% of the time, but my DVDs are separated into TV and feature film categories (all stand up comedy goes in with the feature films, even if they were broadcast on TV; I tried to split them up and couldn’t deal with the lack of order) and then alphabetized within their own categories. Sometimes I daydream about splitting them up further, but I tend to get distracted before that point. My massive collection of books are separated by genre (the genres are, of course, alphabetized) and then by author (also alphabetized) and then split into series/titles within their own little author bubble. (And are equally as alphabetized.) My computer has been folder’d within an inch of its life, and there are no individual files on the the desktop; I delete each email as I finish with it because I can’t deal with a cluttered inbox. I can’t have too many windows open on my computer, because when they fold together into that Trillain (5) Firefox (3) and so on and so forth, I find myself paying more attention to how much that bothers me than anything I have open.

My closet is split up into types of clothing, which I then organize by color. I try to keep the flow of color going; if my skirts go from white to red I like to start my shirts with a red one. (I’m lucky that except on very bad days, I can handle disruptions in this; the knowledge that things are not the way I like them will niggle at me, a tiny distraction, but it’s not something I need to stop what I’m doing to fix. On bad days, I sometimes cannot get anything done until I fix that disruption in my order.)

I cannot stand having sticky hands. I’ve never been able to; if my hands are sticky or ‘feel weird’ (that’s the best I can do to define it) I need to wash them, immediately. And if I can’t wash them, I’ll have extreme difficulty thinking about anything else until they are washed.

When I was a little kid, I had one of the only overt ritualistic signs of OCD I’ve ever exhibited; I needed to sleep with an even number of things. If I had three pillows, I needed one stuffed animal to make it four. If I wanted my blanket, as well, I had to add another stuffed animal or take away a pillow. I eventually did ‘grow out of that’, but as much as I can tell that’s the one thing that manifested anywhere near the popular understanding.

Comment #39: Princess Sparkles McUnicorn  on  08/05  at  01:16 PM

I can’t have too many windows open on my computer, because when they fold together into that Trillain (5) Firefox (3) and so on and so forth, I find myself paying more attention to how much that bothers me than anything I have open.

FYI, you can actually turn off the grouping option, or you can get a newer version of Firefox with tabs, or both.


I could go on for pages about my OCD symptoms, so I won’t even get started.  I also have a tic disorder (like Tourette’s but with no yelling) which is very closely related to my OCD.  I have a family history on both sides of all kinds of mental illness, but I was lucky and didn’t get depression or schizophrenia on top of what I already have.  Incidentally, I also have synesthesthia (which I don’t actually consider a disease and I’m glad I have it).  I often wonder if it is somehow related to my OCD.  Does anyone else here have both?

Comment #40: bananacat  on  08/05  at  01:22 PM

I just started wondering what this country would look like if we had an Universal Mental Health Program.  Depression, PTSD, anxiety, etc. was universally cared for, treated using best practices and allowing anyone to be able to get counseling

Comment #41: cynickal  on  08/05  at  01:52 PM

“I just started wondering what this country would look like if we had an Universal Mental Health Program.”

Way, way, way different.  Even people with good health insurance tend to have significant difficulty accessing adequate mental health resources.

Comment #42: preying mantis  on  08/05  at  01:54 PM

Samanthab and Shah8, I more or less agree with your comments.

Frederick (if you’re still reading), your plug for Kay Redfield Jamison irked me. I used to attend, years ago, a large support group for people with mood disorders. There was far too much of this precious “everybody with manic-depression is another Van Gogh or Virginia Woolf waiting to be discovered” nonsense, and Jamison was hugely admired and widely read in that crowd. There was even some idiot — I don’t remember his qualifications — who came in every so often to give his speech about how manic-depressives were all shamans back in the “cave days.”

Unfortunately for that theory, most of the people in that group, whether they had bipolar disorder or unipolar depression, were as ordinary, as “mundane,” as any other group of people who have only one thing in common. Far from all were creative in any artistic or even practical sense. And that sort of idealization was particularly cruel when you considered the members who were grossly nonfunctional in a variety of ways and/or too poor to get decent healthcare.

Comment #43: Nobody in Particular  on  08/05  at  01:55 PM

Does anyone else here have both?

Here’s a article about the subject:

Researchers from the University of Oxford have now conducted the first genome-wide search for genes linked to the condition. In the American Journal of Human Genetics, they report the identification of a number of genes that are likely to be involved in auditory-visual synaesthesia, in which sounds are perceived as colours. The study reveals also that synaesthesia is not X-linked, and that the genetics of this form of synaesthesia - and probably that of other forms - is far more complex than previously thought.

A group led by Julian Asher of the Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, in collaboration with Simon Baron-Cohen’s group at Cambridge, studied 43 large families, all of which include multiple members with auditory-visual synaesthesia. They recruited a total of 196 individuals, of which 121 were synaesthetes as confirmed by a questionnaire designed to test for the intensity and genuinesness of the synaesthetic experience.

The researchers obtained DNA samples from each participant, and analysed more than 400 microsatellites dispersed across all the chromosomes. Microsatellites consist of very short sequences which are repeated multiple times; each allele, or variant, of a given gene contains a unique number of repeats, and this number often varies between individuals. These sequences are therefore often used to identify genetic variation in humans, as different alleles of the same gene can be distinguished from one another. In this case, however, the researchers searched for evidence of genetic linkage.

By comparing the DNA samples from different generations of synaesthetes from the same family, they identified the microsatellites which are inherited together. Rather than identifying specific genes, this analysis identified four distinct chromosomal regions located on three different chromosomes, all containing genes of interest. These regions are known to contain genes associated with a variety of disorders, including autism, dyslexia and epilepsy.

There have been good books written about the phenomenon, including the subject of A Small Book About a Large Memory by the Russian psychologist Luria:

Studies

Shereshevskii participated in many behavioral studies, most of them carried by the neuropsychologist Alexander Luria over a thirty year time span. Shereshevskii was asked to memorize complex mathematical formulae, huge matrices and even poems in foreign languages and did so in a matter of minutes. Despite his astounding memory performance, Shereshevskii scored absolutely average in intelligence tests.

Based on his studies, Luria diagnosed Shereshevskii as having an extremely strong version of synaesthesia, fivefold synaesthesia, in which the stimulation of one of his senses produces a reaction in every other. For example, if Shereshevskii heard a musical tone played he would immediately see a colour, touch would trigger a taste sensation and so on for each of the senses. With the images his synaesthesia produced, he could apply well-known mnemonic techniques. For example, when thinking about numbers he reported:

‘Take the number 1. This is a proud, well-built man; 2 is a high-spirited woman; 3 a gloomy person; 6 a man with a swollen foot; 7 a man with a moustache; 8 a very stout woman - a sack within a sack. As for the number 87, what I see is a fat woman and a man twirling his moustache.’ [1]

From the Wiki.

Comment #44: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/05  at  05:02 PM

Princess Sparkles McUnicorn, are you my long-lost sibling?

I have a similar laundry list of disorders, except swap out schizo-affective for Bipolar and my OCD isn’t so bad.  It’s mainly my mother’s family that has the serious disfunctional crap, but I have inherited disorders (physical and mental) from both sides.  I also have the sticky hands thing as well as a problem with greasy-feeling lips.  If I’m eating with my fingers, I have to keep paper napkins nearby so that I can keep wiping my fingers and lips after nearly every mouthful.

Comment #45: Theadosia  on  08/05  at  07:17 PM

While it’s apparently true (or has been true at times) that the SNL writer’s room suffers from a race problem, I think most of Tracy Morgan’s terrible characters (at least the ones that were front and center in the sketch) were written by him. At least, that’s the usual dynamic.

Undeniably true about the race problem! Tim Meadows who I think is freaking great…  I should have mentioned him earlier ... seems to be doing better post-SNL like Tracy. Especially in movies.
Perhaps it’s easier to find “the good shit” when you have ability to get better critique from people in an industry other than live television.  (by that I mean - “We only have X amount of time so you, you and you who didn’t piss off Lorne today get yours in the rest are out!” Not that I’m saying this is how it goes down all the time of course. I haven’t read that doorstop of a book about SNL history yet… need to though.) I imagine that SNL is a different ball game than even sitcoms.

Comment #46: Danica Lefse Queen  on  08/05  at  07:20 PM

I think Sheldon Cooper on Big Bang Theory has both Aspergers and OCD. Rajeesh Guthrapoli has a kind of social phobia with women that renders him mute… and in one episode he signs up for an experimental drug that as a side effect makes him get stuck in fine motor skills loops.

Comment #47: Samantha Vimes  on  08/06  at  03:47 AM
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