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The bloggers at Overthinking It came up with a word that has crept its way into my vocabulary, since it’s so perfect at describing a very 21st century phenomenon: earony.  Earony is when someone strikes an ironic pose about something, but actually they love it earnestly, even though they can obviously see the silliness of it.  That’s what I thought of when I read Holly’s post about Campbell’s Fully Loaded Chunky Soup ads.  Here’s one:

The message of the commercial is, “Yes, we are trying to sell you soup with over-the-top manly man sales pitches, and we know that you know that’s silly, but eat the soup.  It’s for men.”  Classic earony.  My guess is that their market research showed that they had a huge customer base in the young bachelor set, particularly with young men who shy away from doing feminine things like cooking or washing dishes, and were eager to consume 100% of their meals from items you could microwave.  That, and older married men whose wives don’t have the time to feed them lunch on the weekends.  I’m not trying to bash all men, by any stretch—-I’m just saying that this sort exists and I suspect they’re the audience for the ad. 

While I was in England, I had a revelation about what kind of products get the manly man sales pitch, though all credit goes to the London resident we stayed with for a night, who told me about how cider companies had hit on the perfect pitch to sell cider to men there.  Cider has always been seen as a female beverage, and so men shy away from it (true enough in the U.S., too, though I don’t think cider’s all that popular to begin with for women, either), so the cider companies, according to my friend, had started pushing the idea that men can pour it over ice and get that manly man refreshment, because as advertisements tell us, men are always doing some strenuous activity that demands constant refreshment.  And, according to my friend, it was a successful campaign with the sad effect of people pouring cider over ice. The flaws in this pitch were quite evident to this Texan, seeing as how I was wearing a light coat in May while hearing this story and had no desire to see an ice cube anytime in the near future.  Americans may think it’s weird that you can go for days and even weeks in England without consuming a beverage poured over ice, but to me, that’s just common sense, once you take the weather into consideration. 

But I digress.  The point is that sometimes when you see something like that with a slightly different culture’s tweaks to it, it can be eye-opening.  Now I’m acutely aware whenever I see a product that’s getting the Manly overhaul, because now I suspect that the market research shows that men don’t buy said product, because they think it’s feminine, and the advertisers are trying to get around the problem of anxious masculinity. 

Obviously, this isn’t true for all the products out there that are sold with the Real Men Buy Me pitch.  Some products have been advertised that way forever, because they were already associated with masculinity.  Beer comes to mind as the most immediate example. But at some point in time, advertisers for other products started to borrow the tropes in order to convince men that their masculinity is not in question because they bought this product. 

Grooming products, even ones like razors you think men could buy without shame, are some of the worst offenders.  Sometimes you get the impression that men are supposed to be shaving with breaking edge technology culled from jet engines when watching razor ads.  The Axe body spray ones are so bad—-their pitch seems to be, “Use our body spray and no one will ever mistake you for the sort of pansy who knows how to read”—-that I think they broke the mold.  In my imagination, whoever came up with the admittedly hilarious Old Spice ads that veer off into the truly ironic was sitting there watching an Axe body spray ad, and thought, “Well, that’s the end of the road for the ‘our perfume will make your cock bigger’ pitch.”  However, I have to wonder if the Old Spice ads have been successful at all in increasing Old Spice sales.  Watching the one with Bruce Campbell, I couldn’t shake the impression that they’re hoping to get a resurgence with young hipsters, who could wear it with earony, much like the way they drink cheap beer like MGD.  My guess is no.  Visual representation of droll hipster humor is one thing, but scent is so evocative, and there’s not really a way to get around the fact that smelling like grandpa is going to make potential sex partners think of grandpa.  But what do I know?

Watching these soup ads, then, makes me realize that someone probably thinks that eating soup is girly.  Which makes sense.  Few foods are more associated with Mom than soup, since it’s something Mom produces when you’re sick, and feeling weak and vulnerable.  In fact, the association of soup with weakness probably also inspired this ad campaign.  That half explains this ad campaign, with the other half being the target demographic of bachelors and occasionally stranded married men.  Because despite decades of feminism, most food ads are aimed directly at women.  Interesting, then, that when marketers target men to sell food to, they stick with foods that they assume are temporary holdover ways to feed yourself until a woman can come in and do it properly.

Sarah Haskins should do a handful of “Target: Men” episodes to break the whole thing up.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:29 AM • (109) Comments

They shoulda just called it “Stew” and that would’ve brought in the menfolk easily enough.

Comment #1: Jon Hansen  on  07/22  at  10:21 AM

Thank you for giving me a name for this.  I started wearing Old Spice again after seeing the Bruce Campbell ads, although that may just be my way of encouraging people to give him work. smile  I guess I’ve always been a sucker for over-the-top, let’s wink at the stupidity of advertising… well, advertising.  Perhaps that makes me an idiot, but I love the fact that I’m wearing a scent called “swagger” even though I realize how dumb that really is.

Comment #2: The_Plebe  on  07/22  at  10:44 AM

As a young bachelor I quickly figured out that making soup was one of the very easiest ways to cook a good meal: Take nutritious objects, boil in water, voila.  Then I found out that the carcass of a roast chicken (the other easiest meal ever) could be turned into stock…

I sometimes wonder why the food service industry remains so male-dominated.  Domestically, women are still assumed to be the main cook, yet professional cooks are wildly disproportionately men.  Have professional kitchens been slower to integrate than other workplaces because the patriarchy is invested in having women cook for their families, rather than for customers?

Oh, and Bruce Campbell IS earony.  That’s his career.

Comment #3: BABH  on  07/22  at  10:45 AM

You’re expecting Madison Avenue to be honest, sensible and logical?  Republicans will grow hearts first.

Comment #4: Magis  on  07/22  at  10:45 AM

...eager to consume 100% of their meals from items you could microwave.  That, and ... married men whose wives don’t have the time to feed them lunch on the weekends.  I’m not trying to bash all men…

I admit I eat Chunky’s when my wife doesn’t cook. What is wrong with that?

Comment #5: MarkusR  on  07/22  at  10:47 AM

have you seen the “Nutrisystem for Men” commercials? They have their usual pitchwoman (who is physically in good shape, although probably a bit too old to be fitting into Teh Hott Chick category), talking about sports, and then a big guy talking about how he’s back in the game after eating Nutrisystem food, which is “real food for real guys!” Including pot roast, which is apparently manly. It’s hilarious. They might as well be flashing big red messages that say “WATCHING YOUR WEIGHT WILL NOT MAKE YOUR DICK FALL OFF!!!!!”

Oddly, the Secret commercials used to do the opposite of this—appealing to anxious femininity, I guess, with their message that they were strong enough for a man, but made for a woman, with a man trying to take the woman’s Secret and her snatching it back. Was “strong” supposed to be too manly an adjective, and they had to reassure all the women watching that just because you’re using a strong deodorant doesn’t mean your clit will grow? Or was it falling into that kind of “everything for men is better than what’s for women, so here’s a thing that men could use, except it’s actually for you, isn’t that awesome?”

Comment #6: Alara J Rogers  on  07/22  at  10:51 AM

“I sometimes wonder why the food service industry remains so male-dominated.”

Because when women do things, it’s not special like it is when a man does the same thing.  Scientists aren’t sure about the actual mechanism by which men make things so much shinier or more sparkly just by being involved in them, but they suspect it has something to do with testosterone radiation emanating from the testicles.

Comment #7: preying mantis  on  07/22  at  10:53 AM

As BABH pointed out, there is some real irony that cooking is considered “feminine” when a lot of soux chefs are men, and it is perhaps one of the most male-dominated industries left.

But the one commercial I saw during the NCAA basketball tournament (which is a festival of these manly-man commericals) that I felt jumped the shark was one for a soap or shampoo that had miniature women jetting up a man’s nose.  It didn’t work well, since I don’t remember the product (heh) but it seemed a bit inane to me.  Frankly, I don’t think an exploration of one’s sinuses by the opposite sex is overly high on the foreplay scale.

Comment #8: James  on  07/22  at  10:55 AM

Earony is when someone strikes an ironic pose about something, but actually they love it earnestly, even though they can obviously see the silliness of it.

This is exactly how I feel about Duran Duran.

Comment #9: MH  on  07/22  at  11:09 AM

It’s hilarious. They might as well be flashing big red messages that say “WATCHING YOUR WEIGHT WILL NOT MAKE YOUR DICK FALL OFF!!!!!

Well, dieting has been considered a feminine thing, and I don’t know why.  I guess it’s because it’s more socially acceptable for a man to be bigger than a skeleton with skin than it is for women.  What bugs the hell out of me is all those Yoplait commercials that seem to target only women.  Since when is yogurt and unmanly food?  Every man I know eats yogurt.  I think Yoplait’s commercials are counter-productive because men will still eat yogurt but probably just buy a different brand.

Comment #10: bananacat  on  07/22  at  11:09 AM

Grooming products, even ones like razors you think men could buy without shame, are some of the worst offenders.  Sometimes you get the impression that men are supposed to be shaving with breaking edge technology culled from jet engines when watching razor ads.

The thing that’s always struck me about razor commercials is that the people in the shave in a way that, in real life, would end up in a reenactment of that scene from Reservoir Dogs.  I’m not sure about the sociological implications of that.

Comment #11: Alex, FCD  on  07/22  at  11:10 AM

Home cooking is girly unless you do it with big flames, because that makes it some kind of ceremony instead of just preparing food so you can eat. I think this goes along with the stereotypical observation that men do big occasional housework-type stuff (fixing plumbing or lights or doors or whatever, or mowing the lawn, which involves loud machinery) while women do the day-to-day stuff.

And of course another reason for the scarcity of women with name jobs in name restaurants, in addition to the rampant misogyny of so many chefs and restaurant patrons, is the long, mostly inflexible hours. Imagine doing all that and then going home to do it again for your spouse and kids (ahem)...

Comment #12: paul  on  07/22  at  11:17 AM

Anyone watching Torchwood this week?  What is the deal with those Palm Pre commercials.  They’re freaking me out.

http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/strange-palm-pre-commercial

Comment #13: Soil Creep  on  07/22  at  11:17 AM

this commercial is hilarious, and it’s tapping “harold and kumar’s’ mockery of the mountain dew ‘Xtremely Xtreme!!!’ commercials of a few years ago. the xtreme sports (downhill windsurf/kayaking? hilarious) make up for the fact that you’re drinking a sugary yellow beverage scientifically proven to reduce your sperm count. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO2Abp0FbA0

Comment #14: JulieSunday  on  07/22  at  11:17 AM

the original mountain dew: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8usF-CzymY4

Comment #15: JulieSunday  on  07/22  at  11:22 AM

That shot of the FIST!  COMING OUT! OF! THE WATER!  CLUTCHINGTHECANONNOTFEMENINESOUP! is rather, well, “Deliverence”-esque.  N’est-pas?

Comment #16: Smartpatrol  on  07/22  at  11:36 AM

In England, they have a candy bar, the Yorkie, whose slogan is something like “No Girls Allowed.”  Seriously—it’s printed on every wrapper.  I used to eat Yorkies but I’ve boycotted them ever since.

Comment #17: BetsyD  on  07/22  at  11:37 AM

I have two words for you: Man Crisps.

http://www.visit4info.com/advert/McCoys-Man-Crisps-McCoys-Snack-Range/60728

This ad is on high rotation on UK TV and it makes me shout at the TV every damn time. I just don’t have the words for how much I hate the whole “blokey” thing.

And, Amanda, those cider ads were started during a 2 month long heat wave 3 years ago (the hottest summer in over a decade) during which time the temp never fell below c. 80 F and was usually closer to mid-90s (trust me, I was out in a gravel quarry for most of it). They made sense then, now? not so much.

Comment #18: SapphireCate  on  07/22  at  11:37 AM

The lime Budweiser marketing campaign/popularity thing of recent days fits into this nicely.  I’m not sure if this was already analysed here…or was it CBC?  Anyway, I recall someone somewhere (possibly Amanda, possibly not) dealt with the same topic re. the lime Bud trend (infusions are so girly! but wait! not this time!) which apparently can’t stay on the shelves and is being bought by menz all over the place.

Comment #19: Ranylt  on  07/22  at  11:38 AM

This is exactly how I feel about Duran Duran.

Blasphemy!  There is nothing silly about Duran Duran.

“There’s a dream that strings the road,
Like broken glass for us to hold”

Simon’s Le Bon Mots are pure ambrosia, I’m telling ya!

Comment #20: Dr. Locrian  on  07/22  at  11:39 AM

Damn, Betsy, I love Yorkies.  That turns my tummy to hear.

Comment #21: Ranylt  on  07/22  at  11:39 AM

The line about Old Spice totally cracked me up, because I have literally recoiled in horror from men who wear the same cologne as my dad. My dad smells great, mind you, but it is the Scent of Dad, and thus, the exact opposite of sexually attractive.

Comment #22: Bella  on  07/22  at  11:48 AM

It’s a good thing that cider is a girly drink, because I love my Magner’s Irish Cider.  It’s the only cider I’ve found that isn’t too fruity or too sweet.

Comment #23: Mnemosyne  on  07/22  at  11:53 AM

“It’s hilarious. They might as well be flashing big red messages that say “WATCHING YOUR WEIGHT WILL NOT MAKE YOUR DICK FALL OFF!!!!!””

Alara, if you had a dick, you might not be so willing to believe that it wouldn’t fall off if you did the wrong work, watched the wrong TV shows or movies, or ate the wrong thing.

I don’t think most women realize what a burden having a dick really is…

(Do I really need to add that this is snark on my part?  Really?  Wow!  I figured by now you’d be able to tell the difference between my serious and my snark.  What’s the point of being a “regular” if people get confused about something like that?...)

Comment #24: MikeEss  on  07/22  at  11:54 AM

Have professional kitchens been slower to integrate than other workplaces because the patriarchy is invested in having women cook for their families, rather than for customers?

I think that it’s more because the kitchen at most restaurant aer the most disgusting boys clubs ever. I remember when I worked in kitchens, various dudely dudes would inform me, when I asked why it was that a certain establishment wouldn’t hire female cooks (or male servers who weren’t gay, for that matter), they said that women couldn’t handle the pressure of high-stress environment. All of them had some anecdote or another about some event where a female cook lost it and burst into tears because of the stress. Whereas manly men lose it by flipping out, throwing things and swearing at people (a phenomenon I witnessed quite often) which is supposed to be better somehow.

This is all, of course, in addition to treating the servers like objects, rating their apearance, and the usual sexist workplace bullshit. I was really glad I didn’t smoke because smoke breaks with those guys just drove me nuts. I was supposed to participate in the assholefest, and couldn’t say much against it for fear of losing my job (I was an 18-year-old kid with few prospects back when I was working restaurants).

I should note that there are some Restaurants that aren’t like this, where the atmosphere is more professional, but I think what I described above is more the norm than the exception, especially in more low-end ones.

Comment #25: HonestB  on  07/22  at  11:55 AM

<i>”... were eager to consume 100% of their meals from items you could microwave.  That, and older married men whose wives don’t have the time to feed them lunch on the weekends”<i>

Dont forget people like me who are just plain lazy

Comment #26: jefft452  on  07/22  at  11:56 AM

The most idiotic recent campaign I’ve seen in this vein was the recent “Dodge Ram Challenge.” When I first saw one of these commercials I wanted to vomit from its sheer knuckleheaded wingnut stupidity. Apparently I wasn’t alone in my negative reaction:

What we have here are four groups of grunting set-extras billed as actual contestants on a pseudo-reality show set in a hostile environment. They are labelled: Military, Cowboys, Contractors, and Firemen, which made me think of the Village People. Presumably each pair reflects a well-researched segment of the American truck-buying population who might just get so excited by these commercials that they’d actually buy a gas-guzzling Ram truck, something that many will have trouble affording.

The whole BoingBoing post is worth reading. It’s not surprising that one of our most hateful Know-Nothing trolls proudly took “Dodge Ram” as his monicker.

Comment #27: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  12:02 PM

I started wearing Old Spice again after seeing the Bruce Campbell ads, although that may just be my way of encouraging people to give him work.

I like Old Spice, use the deodorant. But as actual cologne for a date or party? Sorry, but I’m not really into women with daddy issues.

Comment #28: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  12:08 PM

“It’s not surprising that one of our most hateful Know-Nothing trolls proudly took “Dodge Ram” as his monicker.”

Now Gracchus, you know Dodge Ram was attempting parody trolling, and was not in any way actually serious.  Come on, “Demoncrats”?  Nobody would say that here, except in jest, and I’m not even sure they’d willingly say it at RedState either.  The name was a good choice for that role, just like Jesus General…

Comment #29: MikeEss  on  07/22  at  12:09 PM

Stop all this talk of dicks falling off!  At once!  Some of us dick-owners are sensitive, doancha know.

Seriously,  what it’s about is the horrid fear men have of having their male friends teasing them.  Seriously.  Of course, we won’t stop.  We’ll find something to tease each other over.  It might as well be something you enjoy.

Comment #30: Magis  on  07/22  at  12:28 PM

Now Gracchus, you know Dodge Ram was attempting parody trolling, and was not in any way actually serious.  Come on, “Demoncrats”?

You’re right—I forgot he was one of the parody trolls. It really was a well-chosen handle. Was he the one with the sheep ranch in Montana, or some such? I sorta miss that guy.


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Comment #31: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  12:34 PM

“Was he the one with the sheep ranch in Montana, or some such?”

Rugged in Montana.  I don’t know if that one was parody trolling or performance art.

Comment #32: preying mantis  on  07/22  at  12:39 PM

</i>“Was he the one with the sheep ranch in Montana, or some such?”<i>

Where men are men…and sheep are nervous

Comment #33: jefft452  on  07/22  at  12:41 PM

I think I confused Dodge Ram and Rugged in Montana (I just turned 49 and my brain is already gone). 

You know, after a while the trolls (even the fake ones) really do tend to sound alike, don’t they?...

Comment #34: MikeEss  on  07/22  at  12:51 PM

Ok, now I’m confused. Rugged in Montana (“Rim”) was definitely a parody troll, and the one I’m thinking of. Perhaps Dodge Ram was the real thing after all.

Comment #35: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  12:52 PM

I think I just experienced my first example of Troll Categorization Fail…

It’s all over now.  I might as well just write out my will, buy a casket, say goodbye to family and friends, and quietly wait for the inevitable…

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  07/22  at  12:59 PM

What’s the point of being a “regular” if people get confused about something like that?

I thought that was the point.

I can’t wait for Fiat and Alfa to start bringing their cute, curvaceous little cars over here to sell next to those bulging behemoth Dodge trucks. So baby, you want to clamber up into that loud obnoxious pile of crap or do you wanna slide into my sleek and sexy Alfa Romeo?

Yet the Alfa will be called a gay car.

Comment #37: Sarcastro  on  07/22  at  01:04 PM

When do the Rober Palmer video-worthy fembots start pouring soup over his head and scrubbing him from head to toe?

Comment #38: Ms Kate  on  07/22  at  01:05 PM

I think my “favorite” MANLY!commercial is the one that goes “It’s okay for you dudes to buy this loofah, because it’s black and red! And one side is scratchy! And using it is like going through a human car wash and being scrubbed and hosed off by HOT CHICKS! Did we mention it’s black and red?”

Comment #39: Karalora  on  07/22  at  01:05 PM

The lime Budweiser marketing campaign/popularity thing of recent days fits into this nicely.

*snigers*

I’d love, just love, to one day meet an executive or advertiser for that, just so I could explain to him what the phrase BL Lime means to anime fandom*. Just to watch his head explode.

Because I’m evil like that.


<small>* For anyone else who doesn’t know, the answer is soft-core, guy-on-guy porn. XD</small>

Comment #40: Ruby  on  07/22  at  01:09 PM

Here’s an interesting thing about gender issues in cooking. You might have seen a book called “The Sneaky Chef” by Missy Chase Lapine, with trying to sneak veggies and such into food for kids? I got a copy but never did much of anything with it… and then the sequel came out, subtitled “How To Cheat On Your Man (in the kitchen)”. I’ve seen cookbooks specifically targeted for women and never really liked them, but this was so egregious that I wound up writing an Amazon review slamming it for its fucked-up sexual politics.

(Incidentally, the book also seems to have been the subject of some serious vote-gaming by someone, presumably the publisher—my review wasn’t the only negative one, and all of the negative reviews got a blizzard of unhelpful votes. Oddly enough, it wasn’t that long after that Amazon recalibrated their reviewer rankings—evidently that wasn’t the only astroturfing incident.)

Mnemosyne:

You actually drink that stuff? Magners is foul—tastes like barnyard runoff. My cider of choice is Woodchuck, but if I’m in the mood for cider I’ll even take Cider Jack, although it’s too sweet for me.

Comment #41: BrianX  on  07/22  at  01:28 PM

I’m so old that I consider wearing Brut (by faberge) to be earonic. Now, it’s an obscure brand kept to the side of the deoderants so that ironic old men still find them when they’re looking for shaving soap. Does anyone even remember who Joe Nameth was/is?

But I have a couple of complaints about modern soup advertising:

I don’t know the brand, but there’s a commercial out now where the wife is mocking her husband for eating soup, and he’s defending himself by calling it a stew or something. Little does he know that while he’s sneaking cans of beef soup into the cupboard, she’s doinking the neighbors. It’s not his soup choice she’s ridiculing. And I don’t know why Progresso decided that they need to appeal to teenagers who are obviously out of the house for the first time, and are sorely wanting to shed the label of “kid”, so they would be suseptible to advertising telling them it’s time for a grown up soup. I don’t believe I was concerned about being a “kid” when I was struggling to pay the rent. Soup at 59 cents a can was pretty attractive.

My wife and I used to eat Progresso Soup when I didn’t have time to cook, but it tastes like salty shit syrup, and I’d rather make too much soup and freeze it. My chicken soup kicks ass, like Baron Von Rauschke body slamming Hulk Hogan onto a bed of spikes with explosions in the ring! Campbells tastes like a can of briney kool-ade.

Comment #42: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  01:30 PM

“I’d love, just love, to one day meet an executive or advertiser for that, just so I could explain to him what the phrase BL Lime means to anime fandom*.”

...they really used the phrase “BL lime”?  Oh, my.  There needs to be some sort of ad agency code mandating that slogans get plugged into The Google before they get much past spitballing stage.

Comment #43: preying mantis  on  07/22  at  01:32 PM

Delurking to offer my non-beer-drinking, cider-guzzling, Yoplait-eating candy ass for manhood-questioning target practice ...

Comment #44: GSDavis  on  07/22  at  01:35 PM

You’re expecting Madison Avenue to be honest, sensible and logical? 

I can’t for the life of me find where I said that.

Comment #45: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/22  at  01:36 PM

Aw, cider is unmanly?  But it’s so delicious…  I admit I am in love with Strongbow, even though it’s the cider of choice for UK 16-year-olds who want to chug a 2 liter of alcoholic beverage.

Comment #46: stogoe  on  07/22  at  01:50 PM

The razor advertising is hilarious.  My husband bought a small, electric trimmer the other day to trim up his nose hair.  It was black and featured a man on the packaging.  Right next to it, was the EXACT same trimmer in grey with a woman on the package.  It was for trimming the bikini area, of course.  It’s so stupid that the company has to spend twice the money on packaging and marketing so men will feel comfortable buying their product.

Comment #47: Olivia  on  07/22  at  01:51 PM

Re cider:
I like Woodchuck from VT (Pear, Ale, Granny Smith), though I will drink ciderjack (the raspberry is prob too sweet for most people).  There was a fab pear cider on tap at an Old Chicago in Pheonix 4 or 5 years ago, from CA, but I han’t remember who made it.

Comment #48: helen w. h.  on  07/22  at  01:58 PM

GSDavis:

I carry a manpurse. And I brag about it.

(Well, okay, it’s technically a weekender backpack. But function follows form.)

Comment #49: BrianX  on  07/22  at  02:02 PM

i think i got that backwards. I meant form follows function. (Which is why I still refer to recording stuff onto DVD as “taping”.)

Comment #50: BrianX  on  07/22  at  02:04 PM

Yeah, a lot of guys seem to spend a lot of time being afraid to just do some stuff.  It’s like, “Dude, nobody cares what you drink.  Even your friends who rag you will shut up if you, you know, man up and tell them to fuck off, you like it.”

Comment #51: Punditus Maximus  on  07/22  at  02:09 PM

On cider—I prefer cider, and you can usually get Strongbow or Magners in the pubs and bars in my area. However, the preferred cider of my book group is Doc’s Draft, which is *really* yummy!

Marketing for men is weird—luckily my brother (who lives on his own) ignores it and buys the food he likes. So, less soup and more chicken breast with rice and vegetable or some form of casserole.

I’m more likely to pick up soup for quick meals in the winter than he is!

Comment #52: Bethynyc  on  07/22  at  02:09 PM

You know, after a while the trolls (even the fake ones) really do tend to sound alike, don’t they?…

Haven’t you heard of Poe’s Law?

http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe’s_law

(sorry, i don’t know the html code for making words into fancy links)

You might have seen a book called “The Sneaky Chef” by Missy Chase Lapine, with trying to sneak veggies and such into food for kids?

I’ve heard of cookbooks like this and see this theme on cooking shows all the time, and it just doesn’t work.  Kids aren’t as dumb as we think.  When I was a kid, if I found a piece of bell pepper in my food, either I would pick them all out or just not eat the food at all.  I am doubtful that most kids would fall for this.

Comment #53: bananacat  on  07/22  at  02:18 PM

And, Amanda, those cider ads were started during a 2 month long heat wave 3 years ago (the hottest summer in over a decade) during which time the temp never fell below c. 80 F and was usually closer to mid-90s (trust me, I was out in a gravel quarry for most of it).

Well, that makes more sense.  I’m still impressed that Real Men Need Constant Soaking Ice Cold Refreshment has become a cross-cultural trope, since it should be too stupid to be maintained even in America, where half the country believes in creationism.

Comment #54: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/22  at  02:25 PM

Not to say that the English are especially smarter.  I just cracking wise.

Comment #55: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/22  at  02:25 PM

Dodge Ram was the real thing, and kept using an IP masker to sneak onto the site.

Comment #56: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/22  at  02:28 PM

catgirl:

I actually have no real problem with the first volume. It’s just the second one was so mindbogglingly screwed up in premise that it was actually offensive.

Comment #57: BrianX  on  07/22  at  02:30 PM

BrianX:

(Which is why I still refer to recording stuff onto DVD as “taping”.)

I do that too.  What ARE we supposed to call it, anyway?  DVD-ing?  Video-ing?

Karalora:

I think my “favorite” MANLY!commercial is the one that goes “It’s okay for you dudes to buy this loofah, because it’s black and red! And one side is scratchy! And using it is like going through a human car wash and being scrubbed and hosed off by HOT CHICKS! Did we mention it’s black and red?”

That commercial disgusts me beyond all measure.  Well, really ALL Axe commercials disgust me, but that one especially makes me grind my teeth.  Hey, if I (being female) buy one of those Axe loofahs and use it, will I destroy its ManCred forever?  Mwahaha.  *rubs hands in evil glee*

Comment #58: Icewyche  on  07/22  at  02:49 PM

It’s hard for me to get angry about that book, BrianX.  I read the reviews at Amazon, and I felt sympathetic to the women drawn to this book.  They remind me of a lot of women’s dilemma, which is that they have multiple food-related responsibilities:

1) They have to cook big family meals that
2) Everyone will enjoy
3) And they have to be cheerful and accommodating, even though husbands and children feel free to bitch and complain about everything.
4) In addition, they have a responsibility to maintain their own waistline, even though doing so directly conflicts with the whiny demands for fattening food
5) And they’re usually tasked with maintaining their husband’s health without his help
6) And often with him complaining and treating her like bad mommy because she insists that he cooperate just a little bit by eating the food she made for him, even though she’s agreed to take on 95% of the effort of maintaining his health by doing all the cooking and research.

I can’t blame women stuck in this situation for buying that book.

Comment #59: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/22  at  02:53 PM

What ARE we supposed to call it, anyway?  DVD-ing?  Video-ing?

Uh… recording?

Aptly enough, the synonyms given in Roget’s for ‘record’ (in this sense) are ‘tape’ and ‘video’. I’m surprised ‘rip’ hasn’t made it in yet. My thesaurus is lagging behind my dictionary.

Comment #60: Sarcastro  on  07/22  at  03:12 PM

“I can’t blame women stuck in this situation for buying that book.”

I can’t blame women stuck in that situation for buying the book—we all do what we need to get by in our own lives—but it seems like a different kettle of fish to blame the publisher for capitalizing on the exploitative dynamic.  You can write and market that book without gratuitously normalizing the retrograde labor division.

Comment #61: preying mantis  on  07/22  at  03:23 PM

Dodge Ram was the real thing, and kept using an IP masker to sneak onto the site.

Well, then, just the sort of raging arsehole who I’d imagine seeing those ads and thinking: “Damn, ‘Dodge Ram’ would be an awesome handle—they’ll think I’m a tough and manly soldier or fireman or cowboy or construction worker and tremble before me.” He’d probably buy the truck on that basis, too.

Comment #62: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  03:25 PM

I can’t believe nobody mentioned Pepsi Max yet. “The First Diet Cola For Men!!!”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QavoxgDBQNc

I heard Pepsi Max is made from the crushed up bones of a Viking!

Comment #63: jessilikewhoa  on  07/22  at  03:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rorbv0RWrbk

another ad for Pepsi Max.

Comment #64: jessilikewhoa  on  07/22  at  03:34 PM

I think so many douchebags are afraid their dicks will fall off because they figure that for their girlfriends, having the dick without the surrounding douche would be an improvement…

Comment #65: BlackBloc  on  07/22  at  03:41 PM

Or the Hardee’s commercial, where guys are watching NASCAR and one of them comes in with a freshly-baked pan of biscuits, and everyone gawks at him.  “Real men don’t bake,” says the announcer.

This commercial makes my head explode every time I see it.  Really?  REALLY??

Also if I never have to see a commercial where a hot woman is simulating sex with a fast-food sandwich, it’ll be too soon.

Comment #66: snowmentality  on  07/22  at  03:50 PM

Amanda says -

They remind me of a lot of women’s dilemma, which is that they have multiple food-related responsibilities…

Uh ho. “A lot of straw-women” alert.

Maybe you should just tell us the retro-50’s town you live in. It sounds horrible. The fact that women are forced to not get fat and never complain gives me the chills. I hear that home values in Stepford are coming back up, and equity has risen back above 2002 levels.

I know you have a bleak view of marriage. Perhaps this bleak view stems from the utter agony you perceive it to be. I agree with you that if all marriages were like the set of Married With Children, it would seem horrible. In most of the marriages in and around my life, both partners share cooking, child-rearing, are responsible for all of their health together, and are all growing old without apology.

Comment #67: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  04:05 PM

I think so many douchebags are afraid their dicks will fall off because they figure that for their girlfriends, having the dick without the surrounding douche would be an improvement…

No, sex toys have not caused the break up of many relationships, and besides, they think women don’t like sex anyway.  The real reason they are afraid of losing their dicks is because they are afraid of losing all the power that they get from having one.

Comment #68: bananacat  on  07/22  at  04:07 PM

Amanda:

What praying mantis said. There really isn’t much excuse for dragging sexual politics into the mix—in fact, in my own review I suggested buying the original book and leaving the second alone. Now that the third is out I have no real desire to check it out.

Comment #69: BrianX  on  07/22  at  04:11 PM

Ah, cider.

Ciderjack’s old ad campaign (I think it was theirs) fits this Man Food discussion in a twisted way: Cider like your grandmother used to make it. Before they sent her to prison.

Woodchuck 802 (formerly “dark and dry”) for me. And some of the local dry stuff, but that’s more for sippin’.

Comment #70: paul  on  07/22  at  04:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WvgH-MP87A&feature=related

Comment #71: Stephanie  on  07/22  at  04:26 PM

catgirl -

The real reason they are afraid of losing their dicks is because they are afraid of losing all the power that they get from having one.

I really don’t get much power out of my dick. I spell my name in the snow, and it’s fun to melt ice in the urinals. Beyond that, it gets burned when you whip it out and try to stir spaghetti sauce with it, and god-forbid you get a bit of a hard-on when it’s tangled up in your pubic hair.

Although I’m happy with what I have, wouldn’t recommend a sex-change.

Comment #72: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  04:29 PM

Women are the new men.

Comment #73: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  04:33 PM

Women are the new men.

And the negroes and hispanics are takin our jaeurbs and the atheists are gonna ban the Bible.

Is that where you’d like to go with this?

Comment #74: BrianX  on  07/22  at  04:39 PM

I remember when I worked in kitchens, various dudely dudes would inform me, when I asked why it was that a certain establishment wouldn’t hire female cooks (or male servers who weren’t gay, for that matter), they said that women couldn’t handle the pressure of high-stress environment.

I read Anthony Bourdain’s Kitchen Confidential (what can I say, I was in an airport and needed a book) and he related an admiring anecdote about one of his female friends who, when she got tired of being harassed by one of the guys, bent him over the counter and humped him.  It worked—he never bothered her again—but, Jesus, that says a lot about sexual politics in a restaurant kitchen.

Comment #75: Mnemosyne  on  07/22  at  04:44 PM

catgirl: The anxiety so many men have towards their girlfriends/wives purchasing dildos or vibrators (as evidenced by the volume of letters Dan Savage gets on the subject) seems to run counter to your views. I don’t doubt they claim loudly that women don’t like teh Sex, but they certainly seem to have some doubts that they couldn’t just be replaced by a better dick model that also happens to stimulate the clit and doesn’t complain that it’s paying all the bills so why can’t dinner be on the table as soon as they enter the house.

But I also agree that they must be terrified that they’ll grow a vagina and have to be on the receiving end of some of their douchebaggery, as evidenced by the way many ‘manly men’ react to gay men advances that are mild by the standards of what women have to face every day just for existing while female.

Comment #76: BlackBloc  on  07/22  at  04:45 PM

You actually drink that stuff? Magners is foul—tastes like barnyard runoff. My cider of choice is Woodchuck, but if I’m in the mood for cider I’ll even take Cider Jack, although it’s too sweet for me.

Ick—Woodchuck is the cider I had in mind when I was complaining about ones that are too sweet.  Anything but their pear cider has a weird artificial taste to it, too.  Strongbow is good, but a little too sharp.

Comment #77: Mnemosyne  on  07/22  at  04:47 PM

I really don’t get much power out of my dick.

Ok, I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic, a troll, or just naive.  Having a penis doesn’t make your life perfect, but it does give you some nice benefits in society.  It makes it easier for you to get a good job, and helps you get out of some domestic and childcare work.  When actually do take care of your kids, you get a an extra pat on the back because of your penis.  It makes people more likely to listen to you and take you seriously, and less likely to judge you on your clothes/size/age/sexual history.  The list goes on, but we already know all this stuff because this is a feminist blog.

Comment #78: bananacat  on  07/22  at  04:48 PM

catgirl: The anxiety so many men have towards their girlfriends/wives purchasing dildos or vibrators (as evidenced by the volume of letters Dan Savage gets on the subject) seems to run counter to your views.

Ok, I will admit that I was somewhat wrong.  I’ve never personally met a guy who was threatened by my dildo, and many men have actually wanted to use it during sex (partly because it takes some of the pressure off them to “perform”).  However, I realize that I’m not average and other people’s experience will differ.

Comment #79: bananacat  on  07/22  at  04:52 PM

I know you have a bleak view of marriage. Perhaps this bleak view stems from the utter agony you perceive it to be.

She objects more to the idea that marriage is the considered the default culmination of a relationship in patriarchal societies, where men by definition enjoy inherent privilege (and are often blind to it. Speaking of which…)

I really don’t get much power out of my dick.

Then you must be incredibly dense, because I get a whole lot of power in our society by having a dick without even trying. To provide just a few examples: I get paid more than female counterparts; the majority of my representatives in government are male; the media takes a male viewpoint or addresses it far more than it does the female viewpoint; I’m not considered an automatic outsider in tech or finance (nor would I be in other STEM disciplines, the military, etc.); and I’m not called a slut for having casual sex.

I don’t list these to wear the hair shirt or to prove feminist bona fides, but as statements of fact. I enjoy these privileges even as I acknowledge them, but would like to see others enjoy them, too.

Comment #80: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  05:03 PM

What Gracchus said, dude.  Privilege: You’re soaking in it.

Comment #81: GSDavis  on  07/22  at  05:35 PM

Women are the new men.

I just thought this sentence sounded funny. Sorry.

I really don’t get much power out of my dick.

I was being facetious. Yes, I do realize that, in society, men do start out a bunch of steps ahead because of gender and race and perception of sexual orientation.

But, c’mon. We’re citing Dan Savage print inches to guess that lots of guys are horrified by dildoes, and are scared of being “replaced” in the bedroom. I think a greater personal fear which transcends gender is that someone will become disinterested. Yes, sex is part of the equasion, but some of us are just insecure. If I go to hug my wife, and sense some dissatisfaction, or unhappiness, I go into a little freak out until I know what’s going on with her. Not because I’m scared the sex is going to stop, but because we have a need to be loved, some of us to an unhealthy magnitude.

These are two seperate conversations: the dick in society, and the dick in the home.

Comment #82: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  05:35 PM

And catgirl too.  Sorry.  (See? Case in point.)

Comment #83: GSDavis  on  07/22  at  05:37 PM

Uh ho. “A lot of straw-women” alert.

Actually her list of what expected of a wife/mom in the kitchen was incredibly accurate.  It certainly describes my mom’s experience to a T.*

*I’m so sorry, Mom, for being such a little shit when I was a kid and joining in with my dad and brother to bitch about the quality of dinner.  You were a fucking SAINT for not poisoning us all.

Comment #84: nico  on  07/22  at  05:49 PM

I think a greater personal fear which transcends gender is that someone will become disinterested.  Yes, sex is part of the equasion, but some of us are just insecure. If I go to hug my wife, and sense some dissatisfaction, or unhappiness, I go into a little freak out until I know what’s going on with her. Not because I’m scared the sex is going to stop, but because we have a need to be loved, some of us to an unhealthy magnitude.

The problem is societal, though, since our society takes every opportunity (foremost among them these brain-dead ads) to promote that insecurity and heighten unnecessary personal drama. That same society also promotes the myth that marriage is some sort of ward against potential disinterest, when in fact there is no such ward.

Mature adults with healthy attitudes (e.g. acknowledging the agency of others) understand that occasional disatisfaction or unhappiness on the part of a partner doesn’t mean that the partner has stopped loving you or has lost interest. Similarly, they understand that someone who uses a sex toy (or pornography) while involved in a relationship is generally using it as a supplement to intimacy with their partner, not as a replacement.

Comment #85: Gracchus.  on  07/22  at  05:51 PM

I guess I’m being obstinate, nico. I know that the expectation exists, but one would think that newlyweds would straighten each other’s asses out pretty quick.

One of the first household things I asked my wife was, if she had any ideas, to not do my laundry. She was like, oh, twist my arm. I was naive. But we did disabuse each other of some pretty stupid notions that takes a relationship to shake out.

The expectations are out there. We grow into them. It’s our job to get beyond them.

Comment #86: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  06:01 PM

The expectations are out there. We grow into them. It’s our job to get beyond them.

Wow, so simple!  Thanks for setting me straight.  Now that I have this little pearl of wisdom, all my problems with sexism are solved!!!

Comment #87: nico  on  07/22  at  06:33 PM

Yes! All these comments and I still get to be the first to mention Dos Equis and The Most Interesting Man in the World. (At least, I don’t think anyone else brought up that one.)

Comment #88: chingona  on  07/22  at  07:01 PM

nico -

Wow, so simple!  Thanks for setting me straight.  Now that I have this little pearl of wisdom, all my problems with sexism are solved!!!

Good. I’m glad I took that off your plate so that you could get back to your generalizations. Now let’s watch Will and Grace so that we know everything about the Gay Community.

Comment #89: I Heart Puppies  on  07/22  at  07:16 PM

I like Old Spice, use the deodorant. But as actual cologne for a date or party? Sorry, but I’m not really into women with daddy issues.

Come on, not everyone’s dad or grandfather used Old Spice.  My family is not big on scent.  The only guy I knew who used it regularly was my ex, and the end result is that I have several rather positive feeling associated with Old Spice.  I promise that if I ever inflict my emotional baggage on you, it won’t be the Old Spice’s fault.

Comment #90: Kyso K  on  07/22  at  08:23 PM

All these comments and I still get to be the first to mention Dos Equis and The Most Interesting Man in the World.

Those crack me the hell up every time.  “He never has a conversation about the weather, even in the midst of a typhoon.”

Comment #91: Mnemosyne  on  07/22  at  08:49 PM

Maybe you should just tell us the retro-50’s town you live in. It sounds horrible. The fact that women are forced to not get fat and never complain gives me the chills. I hear that home values in Stepford are coming back up, and equity has risen back above 2002 levels.

Even in this day and age, these women and their man-child husbands do exist.  I stopped following cooking groups on LiveJournal because I was tearing my hair out over the number of women who not only do 90% of the cooking, but have boyfriends or husbands who throw tantrums if dinner contains anything other than some combination of beef, cheese, and potatoes.  The women go online looking for ways to hide nutrients in the food so their men don’t get scurvy.  They’re not 1950s housewives, either; most of them are obviously very young women who haven’t been in a lot of relationships and think this crap is just the way men are.

Catgirl—It’s possible to trick children into eating fruits and vegetables if you follow the approach in The Sneaky Chef, which involves making tons of purees and juices ahead of time and storing them in your freezer so you can add them to your cooking.  Which is way, way more work than I’m willing to do for somebody who can’t suck it up and eat a lima bean.

I personally know a woman who adds baby food to her husband’s meals because he won’t knowingly eat a vegetable.  She won’t openly argue about it because she’s into Christian submission, another thing I just don’t have the patience for.

Comment #92: Shaenon  on  07/22  at  09:13 PM

<blockquote>Uh ho. “A lot of straw-women” alert.

Actually her list of what expected of a wife/mom in the kitchen was incredibly accurate.  It certainly describes my mom’s experience to a T.*
</blockquote>

Me too! Not sure what planet this guy lives on that everyone has achieved equality.

Comment #93: slingshot  on  07/22  at  09:20 PM

The anxiety so many men have towards their girlfriends/wives purchasing dildos or vibrators (as evidenced by the volume of letters Dan Savage gets on the subject) seems to run counter to your views.

This just makes me appreciate my boyfriend more. Not only does he have no anxiety towards dildos or vibrators, he actually had plenty of dildos himself before I met him. Once we realized how much we both liked toys, we just kept getting more. We totally have an addiction to sex toys - our closet is too full! lol

Comment #94: slingshot  on  07/22  at  09:24 PM

I never thought about it, but the only time we eat canned soup around here is when we’re too damn dog sick to make fresh soup.  Fresh soup is just redonkulously easy to make, even for a couple of cooking dummies like us, so the only time we’re not making our own is when we’re not safe to handle knives.

Canned soup is so inferior though, in our house soup should be so full of stuff that you can stand a spoon up in it.  We make hearty, macho, butch soups that could kick wimpy canned soup’s ass.  Our soups are on the beach kicking sand in canned soup’s face.  And those are just the vegetarian choices! Maybe the hyper masculine earony is about the fact that their soup is insufficiently manly, not to mention hardly filling enough to classify as food.

Comment #95: Godless Heathen  on  07/22  at  10:17 PM

can’t find anything about Campbell’s soup (or Holly) at the Overthinking it site. Are you sure this is where you saw it?

Comment #96: garymar  on  07/23  at  12:10 AM

That commercial disgusts me beyond all measure.  Well, really ALL Axe commercials disgust me, but that one especially makes me grind my teeth.

I think AXE ads are hilarious ... but only because my two “target audience” members are the kind of boys who buy their own Ad-Busters subscription.  The running commentary really changes the dynamic.

The chocolate man commercial stands well on its own.

Comment #97: Ms Kate  on  07/23  at  12:58 AM

Sarcastro:

“Rip” isn’t really a synonym for “record”. It’s closer to “transcode”, but can refer to analog -> digital conversions as well (and possibly analog -> analog as well—I don’t think most people would think of vinyl to tape as ripping, but it’s a reasonable leap for me.)

Comment #98: BrianX  on  07/23  at  02:54 AM

Actually, let me rethink that—to the extent a formal, generalized definition of “rip” is possible, I think “transcoding from a relatively fixed source to a mobile destination” about covers it.

Comment #99: BrianX  on  07/23  at  02:59 AM

Processed food is so bad; I only liked it before because I was so hungry anything tasted good.  Now that the fires have died down a bit . . . ew.

Comment #100: Punditus Maximus  on  07/23  at  03:32 AM

Once you’ve eaten really good homecooked food for a while, it’s REALLY hard to go back to the cheap, over-processed stuff. It takes longer, but you feel good after eating it, instead of slightly gross (at least that’s my experience).

Comment #101: Pietoro  on  07/23  at  06:10 AM

“can’t find anything about Campbell’s soup (or Holly) at the Overthinking it site. Are you sure this is where you saw it?”

I think that second link is supposed to send you here, not to Overthinking It.

Comment #102: preying mantis  on  07/23  at  07:52 AM

Once you’ve eaten really good homecooked food for a while, it’s REALLY hard to go back to the cheap, over-processed stuff. It takes longer, but you feel good after eating it, instead of slightly gross (at least that’s my experience).
My wife cooks excellent meals, and while I was reading your comment I was chowing down on some vending machine sandwich here at work. =)

Comment #103: MarkusR  on  07/23  at  09:17 AM

Uh ho. “A lot of straw-women” alert.

I have a friend who goes through a version of this every damn night. Her husband insists on vegetarianism, but he hates most food and flavors. Her daughter has picked up on his acute finicky-ness. There’s only about four meals that the father and daughter will eat without complaining, so my friend has to choose between boring her taste buds to death or listen to whining in stereo.

Comment #104: Planet of the Blue Monkeys  on  07/23  at  11:43 AM

Not only does he have no anxiety towards dildos or vibrators, he actually had plenty of dildos himself before I met him.

To use on others or on himself? raspberry Mine were for my personal usage, prior to meeting my current partner…

The chocolate man commercial stands well on its own.

I always joke that I think only people in the ‘vore’ fetish community could like that commercial. wink

Comment #105: BlackBloc  on  07/23  at  11:57 AM

If you haven’t seen this video yet, here it is—it’s a hilarious parody of female/male-centered ads from That Mitchell and Webb Look.

Comment #106: Genevieve  on  07/23  at  05:33 PM

Is it weird that I don’t WANT to eat soup with a fork?

Part of the enjoyment is the broth or in pureed soups the…er…puree.

Although I agree that homemade soup is vastly superior to any tinned variety I still crave a grilled cheese (processed yellow on white) and tinned cream of tomato soup every once in a great while.

  The “Power of Pinesol” commercials are the ones that are irritating me the most lately. They manage to push almost all my buttons.

Comment #107: HooksInMyHead  on  07/23  at  06:50 PM

<blockquote>To use on others or on himself? <blockquote>
Himself… prior to me.

Comment #108: slingshot  on  07/23  at  09:19 PM
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